Celek Stays

Posted: January 27th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 229 Comments »

Yesterday Jimmy Bama and I were enjoying a nutritious lunch at Danny’s Fried Chicken over in Fairhope when the Eagles announced Brent Celek signed an extension.

I didn’t get a chance to comment on this yesterday.

Interesting move. I wondered if it might be time to move on from Celek. He is a good guy and remains a solid player, but he is getting older. With Zach Ertz needing more playing time, cutting Celek seemed like a real possibility.

I’m glad Celek and the Eagles were able to work something out so he could stick around. He is a good teammate and has to be given some of the credit for the development of Ertz. With a new coaching staff coming in, you want as many good locker room guys as you can get. They help the transition from the old coach to the new one.

With the new staff coming in, we don’t know how they will use personnel. I looked at the last few games of 2015 to see if the Chiefs were starting with 2 TE, 3 WR or I-formation. They started a FB for one game, but were mainly 3 WR in the games I checked.

Trey Burton might be the man to take the FB/H-back role. Or he could stay at TE and the Eagles could go find a FB. Keeping Celek means he is more likely to move if you want to get him on the field. We’ll have to wait and see what the new staff thinks of Mr. Burton.

I do hope this means Celek will be able to retire an Eagle.


I mentioned yesterday that the Eagles talked to ILB Nick Kwiatkoski after practice. Assuming the Eagles move to Β 4-3, they need a backup MLB. I can’t see DeMeco Ryans sticking around. He is a great leader, but you can’t lead if you don’t play and there is no way he’s on the field ahead of Jordan Hicks.

Najee Goode could be the backup MLB, but he might fit better at WLB. He’s not the most physical guy.

Kwiatkoski is 6-2, 241 and he will take on blockers, both FBs and OL. He’s not the world’s greatest athlete, but could be a good backup at MLB. He also has experience at both outside spots. Just as important, he could be very good on STs due to his toughness and how hard he plays.


Some people have said to somewhat ignore who the team talks to. In recent years, things have changed and the Senior Bowl now sets it up so that every team has a chance to have a sit-down with each prospect. This is done at night and is the NFL version of speed-dating.

Still, you can’t ignore other meetings and visits. The scout yesterday had the whole North team on the practice field. He specifically chose to go speak to Kwiatkoski and Carl Nassib. I think that is worth making a note of.

A few years back Jimmy and I noted that one Eagles rep went and talked to DEs every day. One day he talked to this kid named Vinny Curry. Three months later, the Eagles drafted Curry. The way that guy specifically went around and talked to DEs told us they wanted to draft someone, probably early, at that spot.


You want the strange side of things in Mobile?

Check out this Pulitzer Prize candidate from Jimmy Bama.


Howie Roseman spoke to the media yesterday. He didn’t say anything you didn’t already know.

Here is Les Bowen’s take.

Here is Jeff McLane’s take.

I actually like Tim McManus’ piece the best.


Time to go get wet and watch some football practice.


229 Comments on “Celek Stays”

  1. 1 Mac said at 12:03 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    The Brent Celek thing got me thinking… about Tom Brady and Tom Condon. I’m ok with Pederson thinking that Bradford is the right QB for the job, but I’m just as ok with letting Bradford walk, even without compensation for the Eagles in a trade if he wants to rob the team blind. Bradford’s hiring of Condon speaks louder than any locker room talk or performance on the field. He’s in it for himself more than the team. He may care about wins and teammates, but he cares about his bank account, his body, his family way more than the Eagles and his mates.

  2. 2 RobNE said at 12:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    and what of Tom Brady though?

  3. 3 Mac said at 12:13 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    An elite QB that takes pay cuts to make the cap work for his team. Bradford isn’t elite, and if he won’t make it work for the team then that’s two huge checks against him.

  4. 4 Buge Halls said at 1:00 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    A huge difference in pay scale between Brady and Bradford though (at least now after the ridiculous rookie contract). So a minor pay cut for Brady would be a huge pay cut for Bradford.

  5. 5 Dave said at 1:04 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Not sure what you mean, Bradford made 4 million more than Brady last year.

  6. 6 Buge Halls said at 2:07 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    As I said, “after the ridiculous rookie contract” or did you just not bother to read that part.

  7. 7 Dave said at 2:25 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I reread your post but it makes little sense.

  8. 8 A_T_G said at 2:16 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Brady has been averaging $15 million a year from last year through next year, signing bonus included.


    You don’t expect Bradford to make more than that going forward?

  9. 9 CrackSammich said at 4:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Brady probably makes more than his salary through endorsements, and is still significantly underearning compared to his wife. He’s probably forgoing something like 5% of his income while somebody like Bradford would be giving up 25% for the same amount of money.

  10. 10 Mac said at 6:44 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    The type of thinking that you’re putting on this Bradford thing does not make sense from a player or fan standpoint. Bradford has already made more money off his rookie deal than any human should be able to spend in a lifetime. If he isn’t a complete retard, he and his family have already been investing most of that money, which should, produce an income stream off of a safe investing plan his family could live off the money for generations to come without even adding to the pile. (I’m no investment guru, but with the licensing I have I could even set up the investments for him)

    The type of thinking you’re talking about makes sense for players who earn a nice but not amazing amount playing football.

    25% paycut for 50% of the production seems like bargain.

    So yeah, no tears of sympathy from me. Football is a team game. Help the team or GTFOH.

  11. 11 CrackSammich said at 10:59 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    If you’re going to look at it from a wealth perspective instead of an income perspective, you’re just making my point for me. Brady has been around a decade more, with postseason win bonuses and endorsement deals out the ass. AND married a woman who makes 9 figures annually. Bradford is in should be made for life if he invests properly territory. Brady/Giselle would have to try pretty hard to lose enough money to be considered the same.

    So again, that’s like asking you and your company’s CEO who $100 matters more to.

  12. 12 Mac said at 9:23 AM on January 28th, 2016:

    No, you just don’t get it. Both of those guys are in the same boat. And it’s a boat that the other players on the team aren’t even in. If Bradford doesn’t care about his teammates and the good of the whole team then he is a shitty leader in my opinion. You can disagree with me, but that’s how I would see it if I were his teammate. And that’s how I see it as a fan. That’s why the door can hit him on the way out if he wants loco money.

  13. 13 CrackSammich said at 4:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Brady probably makes more than his salary through endorsements, and is still significantly underearning compared to his wife. He’s probably forgoing something like 5% of his income while somebody like Bradford would be giving up 25% for the same amount of money.

  14. 14 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:47 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Everyone is in it for themselves. If Houston or any team is willing to pay big money for Bradford, I think the Eagles should tag and trade him.

    $20 million a year w/$40 million guaranteed is probably what he’s worth.

  15. 15 Fufina said at 12:59 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    While there is a chance some team is going to be willing to pay Bradford that much, i highly doubt the would be willing to pay that AND give up quality assets to do so. depending on the teams FA plans, you probably get a 3rd round pick in 2017 if they only sign 1-2 guys and let people like Thurmond/Carrol/Thornton walk. So really you are looking for a pick in rounds 1-3 to get any semblance of value… and i just do not see it happening.

  16. 16 Dave said at 1:48 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    If he is Transition tagged and we don’t sign high-priced free agents, we could expect a 3rd rounder comp pick from the league. Baltimore plays this game every year and gets pretty good compensation. I imagine if Curry, Thurmond and Bradford all left via free agency and signed decent deals, we could get a 3rd and maybe two 5th round picks as comp (as long as we don’t sign anyone big).

    So if Sam is franchised, there is no need to ask for anything less than a 2nd round pick.

    Here is a nice article on the Ravens…


  17. 17 RobNE said at 2:59 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    don’t talk about Curry leaving.

  18. 18 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:15 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Curry deal is close to done

  19. 19 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:46 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    A team would only trade anything for him after they know they have a contract extension on the table that Bradford would have to agree to before the team gives us anything… They will want to have their own extension with Sam worked out before they give us anything… Basically an NFL version of the “SigΕ„ and Trade” we see in the NBA, only that the “SigΕ„” part won’t be made official until after the Trade part where the NBA allows you to SIGN the guy before you trade him.. Same thing, just semantics

  20. 20 bill said at 2:40 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I do think there’s a big disconnect out there that has people thinking that a well run team that has been evaluating talent better than average for a significant time period (read: Texans and Broncos) is going to open the bank and give large guarantees for long years to a QB who is “29, extensive injury history, average at best, and needs many things to go perfectly to even get to good,” but at the same time think that it is outrageous that some poorly run team will spend a high pick on a QB that has all the tools, a high ceiling, and a low salary for 5 years. It’s possible that both scenarios play out, but I wouldn’t be comfortable betting on it.

  21. 21 laeagle said at 1:18 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I’m not sure I necessarily agree with your conclusion, but it is interesting to note that not only did Bradford make $12 million this past year, and not only is he working with Condon to get a killer payday based on a relatively limited sample set, but he was also the last rookie quarterback to make bank on the crazy deals before the rookie salary cap. He made a mint straight out of college, did really well last year, and will continue to do well in the years to come unless one of his legs falls off between now and the summer.

    Not saying I begrudge him for it, but man, if there was ever a guy who the window(s) of opportunity really lined up just right for, it’s Mr Sleeves. At least salary wise.

  22. 22 Mac said at 1:48 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    And in my opinion he can have it… somewhere outside Philly.

  23. 23 ACViking said at 1:51 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Until proven otherwise . . . here’s the real “Mr. Sleeves”:


  24. 24 TypicalDouche said at 1:51 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Respect the true sleeves!

  25. 25 ACViking said at 1:53 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    TD . . .

    What you wrote yesterday — seems everyday we’re fighting the battle of truth v. excusable fiction.

    At this point, I think all that needs be said is your war cry:
    “Respect the true sleeves!”

  26. 26 ACViking said at 1:54 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    And a photo of the true Mr. Sleeves

  27. 27 TypicalDouche said at 1:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Mr. AC, I couldn’t agree more on both sentiments. Seems like we’ll be fighting that battle until the Eagles make their decision, at that time we can continue fighting with people over realistic and unrealistic expectations for whomever is the next Eagles QB.

    Oh and their will be only 1 true Mr. Sleeves for the Eagles and that is that man in that picture.

  28. 28 A_T_G said at 2:11 PM on January 27th, 2016:


    1 true Mr. Sleeves?

    I can read between the lines. I know who you are talking about. Call it unrealistic if you will, bu I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect this from our next QB:

  29. 29 ACViking said at 2:13 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Ultimate throw-back jersey

  30. 30 TypicalDouche said at 2:23 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Already got mines ordered.

  31. 31 Dave said at 3:33 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Oh, the puffy shirt. Brings back memories of college.

  32. 32 CrackSammich said at 4:05 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I should start by saying I’m one of the more liberal commies you know, but even I don’t understand why you think any player in the league should artificially shorten their lifespans playing this game for any other reason than their bank account, body, and family.

  33. 33 Baloophi said at 12:10 PM on January 27th, 2016:


    Kudos to all those who participated in the Senior Bowl Challenge! We surpassed our goal of 45 donations! Tommy can now afford to return from Alabama!

    If you didn’t get a chance to make a donation yet, a contribution in any amount at any time will go a long way towards helping Tommy both with his Senior Bowl trip as well as with Iggles Blitz maintenance. As per tradition, there will be another opportunity to contribute right before the draft during the annual fundraiser… there might even be a raffle prize, depending on how closely Mrs. Baloophi examines the finances.

    Thanks again, and Dallas sucks!

    (please let me know if I’ve left anyone off so I can update the list)

    Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard
    Alex Karklins
    GaEagle1023 – Tom
    The original AG
    Ryan Rambo
    Nailed It!
    Media Mike
    Christopher Miller

  34. 34 RobNE said at 12:38 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    adding this to my resume

  35. 35 A_T_G said at 12:54 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Clearly that is a bit of hyperbole – no one goes into Alabama without an exit strategy – but that is still an impressive list. A veritable who’s who of Iggles Blitz readers and commenters.

    We have lawyers and slackers, we have people from the past (since 1961) and people from the future (MAR2691), we have domestics like myself, RobNE, and Media Mike, as well as people from exotic locales like Anders, FrenchEagles, and TXEaglesFan. Quite an impressive crew.

  36. 36 Bacon & Iggles said at 1:34 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Watch your six, T-Law. :)-

  37. 37 ChoTime said at 6:16 PM on January 27th, 2016:


  38. 38 laeagle said at 1:15 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Wait, so stranding Tommy in Alabama was an option?

  39. 39 Baloophi said at 1:30 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    He’d be first in line for next year’s Senior Bowl…

  40. 40 James said at 1:49 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    donated πŸ˜€

  41. 41 Baloophi said at 9:32 PM on January 27th, 2016:


  42. 42 Buge Halls said at 12:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Two points,

    1)I would love to have Celek retire as an Eagle – then I’ll buy his jersey!
    2) I really hope the Eagles address the O-Line in the first round. that being said, if none of worth are available, either trade back or if no good offer surface, go with best prospect on the board.

    I just have a feeling that with Pederson as HC and the staff he has, they should be better prepared for the draft. I just don’t think Chip quite understood the draft.

  43. 43 TypicalDouche said at 1:19 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    “I just don’t think Chip quite understood the draft.”

    Is their anything Chip did understand about the NFL?

  44. 44 Dave said at 1:43 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    That you need a franchise QB to be successful.

  45. 45 ACViking said at 1:48 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Heck . . . even Ed Khayat knew that.

    So Kelly get’s no points.

  46. 46 BobSmith77 said at 3:03 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I wouldn’t mind the Eagles trading back at all especially if they can get a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year or gives me a bit more ammo to possibly move up if they want with one of those 3rd round picks.

  47. 47 Fufina said at 1:01 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Lurie is here for Senior Bowl practice. Wasn't here last year. #Eagles— Eliot Shorr-Parks (@EliotShorrParks) January 27, 2016

  48. 48 Fufina said at 1:01 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Only reason owners turn up to these kind of events is to look at QB’s in my experience…

  49. 49 D3FB said at 1:03 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    If we end up with Brandon Allen I’m blaming you

  50. 50 TypicalDouche said at 1:16 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Please don’t say that.

  51. 51 A_T_G said at 2:04 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Relax. He wouldn’t really blame Fufina.

  52. 52 TypicalDouche said at 2:07 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Well done.

  53. 53 RC5000 said at 2:42 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    KC took Aaron Murray in 5th round and gave Chase Daniel a pretty hefty contract for a backup lol.

  54. 54 Nailed It! said at 1:09 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Or to interview for the head of personnel department.

  55. 55 Fufina said at 1:10 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    True, although if he was doing that does not need to be watching Wentz throw…

  56. 56 Joe Minx said at 1:10 PM on January 27th, 2016:


  57. 57 ACViking said at 1:47 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Well . . . at Pederson’s intro press conference, Lurie raised his hand in response to a question about who would break ties on personnel issues.

    So I guess Lurie’s preparing to be the tie-breaker in the draft room.

  58. 58 BobSmith77 said at 2:59 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Ugh. One thing I did legitimately foresee as a problem was Lurie was taking a more active role in personnel decisions. Disaster waiting to happen.

    I always though his best trait as an owner has largely been not to directly meddle in personnel decisions. If that starts to go and the Eagles’ FO decision-making apparatus becomes disorderly, this franchise likely becomes mired too.

  59. 59 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:12 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Get real, this is Howies team now..

  60. 60 RobNE said at 3:39 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Didn’t he go visit Geno Smith? but we didn’t draft him. Maybe a billionaire likes to be near his toys.

  61. 61 Joe Minx said at 1:10 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    A film review of Kansas State OT Cody Whitehair left Rotoworld’s Josh Norris disappointed.

    “My expectations came back to bite me, as he did not live
    up to them,” Norris wrote. “Obviously Whitehair is not Zack Martin or
    Brandon Scherff, but he has powerful hands and a wide base to control
    his opponent when in proper position.”

  62. 62 JoeBlow said at 1:29 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    i’d say if he’s expecting most college lineman to look like martin or scherff then he will be left disappointed more often than not

  63. 63 Joe Minx said at 1:40 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Yeah, I’m not sure what exactly left him disappointed- that he’s not Martin or Scherff or that he just wasn’t as good on tape as he was expecting to see.

  64. 64 JoeBlow said at 1:59 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    yea, im not a huge fan of Whitehair, but i like him enough to take in the 3rd. I think he will have a long career as a Guard in NFL

  65. 65 laeagle said at 1:13 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Now we know that Albert Breer doesn’t frequent this site.


  66. 66 Donald Kalinowski said at 1:18 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    The only reason why I love Cam is because people hate him too much.

    His success is a big “fuck you” to everyone who thinks that the pocket-passing QB is the only way to win in this league.

    And to the people who hate his smiles and goofiness, they’re taking a game too seriously. He’s the leader of a football team not the leader of a nation.

  67. 67 laeagle said at 1:38 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I think the issue with Cam’s celebration is that it veers awfully close to the kind of celebration that is all about rubbing it in the face of your opponent. There’s celebration that’s about the joy of what you accomplished, and there’s celebration that’s all about making your opponent feel shitty. DeSean was a master of the latter, which is why I couldn’t stand his “brand” of celebration. It’s a common thing with the young-uns today. Success is less about how much you achieved and more about shaming everyone else, and making them eat shit.

    Cam isn’t exactly like that when he celebrates, but it’s always been awfully close. That’s what people can’t stand. I personally still sort of feel that way, but Cam is definitely somewhere in the middle. I just wish that celebrating victory could be more about what you and your team accomplished and less about making the other team feel like dirt; they already do because they didn’t win. It’s poor sportsmanship, in my opinion, to twist the knife.

  68. 68 ACViking said at 1:57 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Under the heading of “scoring a TD requires 10 other guys to do their job” . . .

    I’m against any celebration that goes beyond lightly tossing the ball to the nearest official.


  69. 69 Ark87 said at 2:53 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Officials are jack asses, tossing the ball to the nearest Child is way better ACV πŸ˜›

  70. 70 ACViking said at 3:29 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    can’t argue with your premise or recommendation!

  71. 71 anon said at 3:29 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Under the 11-person theory I think we should have team celebration. Also a fan of djax celebrations just not when he drops the ball before going in endzone .

  72. 72 ACViking said at 3:32 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    The NFL banned those.

    The Eagles never really were any good when that was popular (Marion Campbell era).

    During the early Joe Gibbs era, the Washington receivers — the “Fun Bunch” — had their organized celebration.

    I hated the Fun Bunch. Hated their celebration.

    Hated that Eagles didn’t score much, didn’t win much, didn’t have much to celebrate.

    HENCE . . . give the ball to the ref.

  73. 73 Tom33 said at 3:51 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Hated the Fun Bunch, the Hogs, Joe Theisman, and everything else to do with that team.

  74. 74 RobNE said at 4:35 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I was in college in Virginia watching everyone root for the SB winning Skins a couple of times.

    And now I’m in Boston and they keep winning. Maybe I need to move back to Philly.

  75. 75 Ark87 said at 2:52 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I always viewed his celebrations as Gladiator-esque “ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?” aimed at the audience more than the opponent.

    These are modern gladiators. And their interaction with the crowd is good for the game imo. That connection with the crowd is something I think is a great unique benefit to actually going to the game.

    Also giving the ball to youngsters is pretty classy.

  76. 76 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:00 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    DeSean’s celebration was falling back into the end zone while starting down his opponent.

    To me it doesn’t seem like Cam is shaming his opponent. But I can see how people take it the wrong way.

  77. 77 Allen3000 said at 7:06 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Generally speaking, I strongly dislike end zone celebrations that are self-congratulatory. I played and now coach football. I was a RB through college and was fortunate to score a lot of TDs. I followed the Barry Sanders rule of just giving the ball to the ref. I don’t expect others to do the same (I’m a low key guy/reserved guy), but I expect some sort of respect.

    The NFL, at least to me, is a different animal because there’s such a huge element of entertainment. That doesn’t mean I condone how player’s celebrate, but I give them more leeway.

    To me, I just have a problem when people are inconsistent with what and who they choose to be outraged at. Aaron Rogers doing the belt thing is showboating, right? No one ever complains about that. Gronk gets very dramatic with his celebrations as does Jared Allen. But so many people have spoken out about Cam Newton and I don’t see the difference.

    This kind of takes me back to when Joe Buck went on his self-righteous rant against Randy Moss after he fake mooned the Packers fans. He kept going on and on about how it was the most appalling thing he’s ever seen. His reaction was just so over the top that you couldn’t help but think he had deep seated issues with race.

  78. 78 laeagle said at 7:23 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I hear you, and Cam is an interesting case because his celebrations aren’t always bad. Hell, the Superman thing is annoying, but you’re right when you say it’s just like Rodgers belt thing.

    What I can’t stand is the kind of “in your face” bullshit, where celebrating what you did isn’t enough; you have to also shame your opponent. A lot of early Cam celebrations had this edge to it. And I don’t think it’s a race thing. I think it’s a generational thing. Just look at how kids play on playgrounds nowadays (wait, am I encouraging a bunch of adults to hang around playgrounds?).

    Here’s an example: look at TO’s history. That guy really pushed the line. When he did the thing to the Dallas star, that’s the perfect example of what I’m talking about. But some of his other tricks, like the Sharpie thing, the popcorn thing, those weren’t mean spirited, nor were they shoving anything in anyone’s face. They were completely over the top, but you couldn’t say they were necessarily poor sportsmanship. The Dallas star thing was, though. That’s the kind of difference I’m talking about.

  79. 79 Allen3000 said at 8:02 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    All fair and good points. I guess I haven’t watched enough of Cam this year to really formulate a strong opinion. While I do think some of the hate he gets is extra, I do think he can be over the top as well with his gloating. But again, I give NFL players more of a pass since they are entertainers too. And you have to give it to the guy – he’s backing up his talk 100% on the field this year.

  80. 80 daveH said at 2:11 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Cool take. Im down with it so i upvoted you

  81. 81 P_P_K said at 3:06 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Cam reminds me of Derek Jeter. They are both clean-cut, handsome, and play with a natural ability that makes their success seem easy. What I don’t like about those guys is that I’m nothing like them!

  82. 82 ChoTime said at 6:19 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I know, it’s awesome. Striking a blow against tall, cool-eyed, big-armed (white) QB and for, shall we say, a diverse way of playing the game. Also, it’s good that he uses grits and collard greens as analogies.

  83. 83 Joe Minx said at 1:44 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Sounds like one of my favorite OL in this draft Jason Spriggs is having a good week of practice.

  84. 84 ACViking said at 2:20 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    A bit off topic. But SB related:

    Besides Belichick . . . is there a D-Coordinator other than Wade Phillips whom you’d want to prepare the game-plan against Cam Newton in the SB?

  85. 85 A_T_G said at 2:25 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Sean McDermitt?

  86. 86 D3FB said at 2:25 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Gary Patterson.

  87. 87 RobNE said at 2:56 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Buddy F’ing Ryan

  88. 88 Ark87 said at 2:57 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    No no, he’s talking about stopping him as an opposing coach. Only guy like Cam that Buddy’s ever slowed down was on his on his own team.

  89. 89 RobNE said at 3:41 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    nothing can taint my memory of Buddy.

    I saw in the Pats’ game Manning missing I think 2 touchdowns, where they WR was really open. Not throwing him open, just open. If Manning plays like that, which seems to be what Manning is now, I don’t see how Broncos win.

  90. 90 Ark87 said at 4:02 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Can’t blame you, I was just trolling a bit.

    And agreed. No matter how brilliantly they counter Cam and the run, the Panthers don’t need to draw an Ace to give this version of Manning severe trouble.

  91. 91 BobSmith77 said at 3:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Rob Ryan . . .

  92. 92 scratcherk said at 6:36 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    The old browns dc, what’s-his-face.

  93. 93 eagleyankfan said at 2:41 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I’ll be all alone in this, and that’s ok. 26 mil guaranteed to two TE’s is a little silly. Don’t get me wrong – I like them. They are good solid players. They aren’t a special talent that couldn’t be replaced cheaper. I’m with T-Law on this – after giving someone 20 mil at a position – not sure another 6 mil at the same position is needed. Isn’t 20 mil saying “he’s our guy”?
    Yanks overpaid for Jeter for years. Not my money and don’t care either way. Just seems excessive.

  94. 94 RC5000 said at 2:51 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I disagree on Ertz.. Ertz isn’t easily replaced, he’s a talented TE. We have enough holes we don’t need to use draft picks on TEs. He just wasn’t always utilized in receiving game and I think someone posted he graded out high with PFF as run blocker this year.

  95. 95 BobSmith77 said at 3:00 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    It seems like it but how do the Eagles compare to other teams right now?

  96. 96 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 3:06 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I don’t mind paying Ertz. Probably better to pay him now as his usage/stats are only going to increase next season. And while it seems, there are few young TEs who haven’t been paid yet.

    Celek: Maybe the team isn’t ready to let him go. His contract doesn’t bug me much. I would have been ok with Burton but I think cutting Celek would have been tough to sell with a new coach.

    I’m just waiting for the Coopers to get cut. Possibly Meco.

  97. 97 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:16 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I hope they cut Riley Cooper..,. Im starting to get scared that they will renegotiate and make him take a massive pay cut to stay which would frustrate me. I want to turn the page on the Cooper era at ANY price tag…
    Please tell me they aren’t going to keep him?

  98. 98 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    His contract is similar to what Charles Clay and Julius Thomas received last year. Plus you have to figure in that the cap is going to jump significantly the next two years. So his deal will look decent compared to market value.

  99. 99 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    We didn’t over pay for Ertz, like Banner said, a year from now Ertz will be kicking himself over how much more money he could have made… Like MACLIN, he will be overpaid for like a month and then other TE will sign for more and turn Ertz contract into a bargain.
    WHy be upset about CElek when we cleared Cap space with the move?

  100. 100 anon said at 3:23 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Somewould argue it’s time to move on. #freetreyburton

  101. 101 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:14 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Considering no one has any idea whether he can adequately lead block enough to be a starting FB at this level, “someone” arguing either way, is full of shit and talking just to talk..

  102. 102 eagleyankfan said at 6:52 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Assuming Celek a FB? That’s reaching a bit.
    Why is moving on from Celek a bad idea? The team isn’t in dire need of him, nor are they a SB contender. If we’re rebuilding … time to move on …

  103. 103 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:18 AM on January 28th, 2016:

    Where the fuck do you see me talk about even thinking about moving cElek to FB? A little reading comprehension please homie.. Don’t you go stupid on me too

  104. 104 eagleyankfan said at 11:15 AM on January 29th, 2016:

    LOL. my bad, I thought that was in response to celek but you were talking about burton…

  105. 105 laeagle said at 6:45 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    You never look at the total dollar amount. If Lurie wants to pay $500 million, that’s his prerogative and nothing you or I need to worry about. The only thing that’s important is the cap hit. And these are two different cases.

    Ertz is an up and coming young player. Locking him up makes sense. And I believe the other TEs soon to sigh will be getting paid quite a bit more.

    Celek is a cap restructure to keep a veteran who’s still an important contributor. Looking at his total salary on the new deal is worthless. Look at how much he was hitting the cap before versus after.

    Saying $26 million guaranteed to two TEs provides no actual insight. Instead, look at the yearly cap hit, and see how bad that is for 2 TEs. I think both signings were good moves, for different reasons.

  106. 106 eagleyankfan said at 6:54 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I get all of that — but “important” to what? A rebuilding year? Rebuilding 2 years? It’s nice and continuity is good I guess.

  107. 107 Fufina said at 3:00 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Doug Pederson said the #Eagles hired Chris Wilson of Missouri as DL coach.— Jeff McLane (@Jeff_McLane) January 27, 2016

  108. 108 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    How should I feel about this?

  109. 109 Fufina said at 3:11 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    He does not have a wiki page so i am short of info to make a #HotTake. No idea never heard of him really and know nothing of his background.

  110. 110 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 3:17 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    He was Cox’s position coach in college

  111. 111 Tdoteaglefan said at 3:21 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Was also the Defensive Coordinator at Miss. State, was USC’s defensive line coach in 2014, I assume he coached leonard williams

    *edit* just noticed Donald Kalinowski provided that info earlier

  112. 112 nicolajNN said at 3:17 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Well he coached Cox in college, so that’s something

  113. 113 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:21 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Coached Leonard Williams as well. For some reason got fired last year from USC and took a job with Missouri.

  114. 114 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:22 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    He’s black.

  115. 115 bdbd20 said at 3:16 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Coached Fletcher Cox at MSU.

  116. 116 D3FB said at 4:03 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    DL coach at Oklahoma 06-09
    DL coach/asst DC MISS ST 10-12
    DL coach Georgia 13
    DL coach USC 14-15

  117. 117 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:13 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    It would be bigger news if the Eagles DIDNT Talk to or take a look at Wentz..
    Eagles looking at the best QB in the senior bowl. What shocking, groundbreaking news by the great journalist Eliot pee brain Parker

  118. 118 anon said at 3:38 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    If djax is free agent any chance we bring him back ?

  119. 119 GermanEagle said at 3:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Don’t think the Skins will let him nor Cousins hit Free Agency.

  120. 120 Donald Kalinowski said at 4:03 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Well then maybe Pierre Garcon?

  121. 121 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 4:05 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I think they lock up Cousins first. Any chance they try to replace Jax in the draft?

  122. 122 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:39 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Finally got around to catching some of Spadaros interviews with the new staff.. He asked OC Reicht what Eagles fans should know about his core offensive Philosophies and the first thing that came out of his mouth was sweet music to my ears…”IMPOSING OUR WILL”, which is a godsend after chip offense basically became ellusive Counterpunchig Philosophy. Chip seemed to almost exclusively allow opposing defenses to dictate to us what our offense would do… Like most of Chips Philosophy, it was another example of too many EXTREMES and not nearly enough Balance..
    Andy Reid frustrated becayse he too often refused to take advantage of the opposing Defenses weakness, chip became the opposite, too often letting defenses dictate to us..
    A well coached Offense has to find the proper balance and no when we need to Impose our will, line up, tell the other team WHATS comig,and ram it down their throat any way, while also knowing when to exploit a weakness that the defense is showing and counterpunch….hopefully our new offense will find a good blend between the two
    adam Caplan seems to think that the change to Doug Pederson will do wonders for our WRs now that they will be in a pro offense, running Pro routes, against Defenses that no longer know what’s coming after Chips offense became somewhat predictale. Caplan referred to Chip as a Gimick offense, and he seems to think this coaching change will be great for our young WR’s, Ertz and Bradford….
    A West coast hybrid offense with Bradfords accuracy in the intermediate routes could be very interesting. McNabb had a BIGTIME career in a similar offense, yet McNabb lacked the level accuracy that SAM gave us a small glimpse of this year…
    Doug Pederson was no ones dream candidate, how could be be? We don’t know enough about his HC ability to be able to be excited about hiring Doug back during the coaching search…. But if bringing back SAM is in the plans, The Style/scheme of play that we think Doug will bring to Philly is an exciting Fit for Bradfords skillset.. that Andy Reidish west coast hybrid also matches very well with the skillsets that guys like Ertz, Jordan, AGHOLAR and Sproles bring to the table… If this offense and new coaching staff can Salvage the Josh Huff pick, that would be big for us…. Im not ready to write huff off, it’s way too soon… But watching the Steelers in the playoffs have to play without Antonio Brown, I couldn’t help thinking that No way could Josh Huff step up and carry a passing attack in a playoff game they way Martevis stepped up for the Steelers in what ultimately ended up being a loss…
    I think AGHOLAR, Ertz, Jordan are all going to flourish in this new Offense, but if the coaches can salvage the Josh Huff pick, it would be a huge boost going forward if our top 3 WRs of the future are already on the roster today

  123. 123 anon said at 3:43 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Imposing will requires talent. If we had a decent ok you would have called us the broad st .Bullies bc we ran ball so much . But if you can be successful at one thing running or passing you’re hamstrung .

  124. 124 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:06 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    any type of success requires Talent…. When your entire offense is based on counting the number of defenders in the box, which then dictates what play we run, if that isn’t a predominently Counterpunching offense, I don’t know what is..
    I hope we keep some package plays. They are very useful at times, but I think it’s more important to have a QB you trust with audible Power, instead of what chip did using packaged plays to take the place of audible power. if we are going to change the play because of what the defense is showing, I prefer to audible into the best possible play call, instead of just chosing the built in pass option or run option built into the packaged play…

  125. 125 Allen3000 said at 6:45 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    McNabb may have lacked the accuracy of Bradford, but he threw a much, much, much better deep ball and could improvise with his legs.

  126. 126 anon said at 6:51 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    think Sam’s deep ball with come around. Hitting at close to 70% even with drops and no run game.

  127. 127 A Roy said at 7:31 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Captain Checkdown. Allen 30 00 was right to use 3 much es for #5.

  128. 128 anon said at 7:34 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    his YPA improved as year went on, think he had to learn the system, he was frustrating the first 8 games of the year.

  129. 129 A Roy said at 7:37 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I’ve seen the term “garbage time” used in reference to the last quarter of the season and I think it fits for Bradford.

  130. 130 anon said at 7:40 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    we were in it until week 16

  131. 131 A Roy said at 7:47 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Man, that’s just too funny. This season was over before Thanksgiving. Only a great ST win vs NE kept us “in it”. This season was the 2nd hardest to watch since 1999. Truly ugly. Horrid offense. Worst of all…incredibly boring. Garbage time.

  132. 132 anon said at 7:50 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Only a great ST win = this team for last two years. I hear you last season was super ugly, no reason to relive. Except, beat the pats at home + had shady crying like a b**** πŸ™‚

  133. 133 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:16 AM on January 28th, 2016:

    This is why my post talks about intermediate accuracy

  134. 134 anon said at 3:40 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Any or think we get a personnel guy before the draft? Certainly doesn’t seem like it.

  135. 135 RobNE said at 3:42 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    no, folks have commented that personnel guys can’t leave before the draft. That’s why they have that other guy as interim personnel guy.

  136. 136 Greg Richards said at 3:55 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Teams don’t have to let personnel guys that are under contract leave for non-true GM jobs. I see it as unlikely that any team would let a director of college scouting or director of pro personnel leave right now when FA and draft preps are being made. There’s a chance they let a personnel analyst or senior personnel executive that is there in an advisory role but not really in charge of things leave. So, if we hire someone before the draft, it would likely be one of those types or someone that is on the street right now. Ideally it would be someone who was with a team last year and had thus prepared for this year’s draft. Caplan has suggested that we’d probably end up hiring 2 guys – 1 before the draft and 1 after. He mentioned a week ago or so that we are expected to hire someone within the next 2 weeks.

  137. 137 D3FB said at 3:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I doubt it. If I’m another GM I’m not letting Howie pick the brain of one of my lieutenants 3 months before the draft.

    Any up and comers (who I think is the type they want for the position) won’t be allowed to interview. Scouting contracts are up after the draft so there will be better leverage then.

    Like Greg said I think we could see a veteran retread senior advisor type brought in but the “Head Scout” GM I don’t think we fill until May.

  138. 138 Greg Richards said at 4:03 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Mark Dominik has been speculated. He has the same agent as Roseman and Jeff McLane reported that he and Howie are friends. I could also see Dennis Hickey as he worked under Dominik in TB.

  139. 139 Media Mike said at 5:52 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Mark Dominik is very good on the radio.

  140. 140 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 4:00 PM on January 27th, 2016:


  141. 141 FairOaks said at 4:04 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Lurie said originally they were going to hire more than one person — he said one was possible before the draft, and one after.

    But yes, if we want someone currently employed by another team, that won’t happen until after the draft.

  142. 142 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:47 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I don’t think it really matters.. “personnel Guy” in our situation is probably more of a day to day Manager of the personnel staff. Doing all the leg work, coordinating where each scout is going.. the Personnel Roster decisions will clearly be made by Roseman..
    Pretty much our personnel is going to be the same structure as last year. the guy we hire will replace Marynowitz who did the leg work for chip and managed the personnel department, while the real GM roster decisions were made by Chip.. Roseman now makes the final GM decisions, while the new “Personnel guy” will most likely be more of a manager of the personnel staff/department.
    Roseman is Probably even a little more powerful than Chip was, because Roseman will have his hands on some areas that chip most likely Delegated like Cap Strategist, and contract negotions, contract structuring, all areas I assume chip Delegated to others, and the actual GM roster decisions that were Chips responsibility are now Rosemans even if LURIE is too afraid of public perception to admit it and make it clear.
    This notion that LURIE will all of the sudden become Jerry Jones, and break ties when it comes to personnel decisions is Laughable, so the collaboration talk is Bullshit… And we DAMN sure won’t see a structure where everyone votes on each personnel decisions… Those are really the only two ways you can truly “Collaborate”, and Neither of those situations will apply to us..
    Realistically Roseman will listen to the opinions of all the scouts and coaches, and the ultimate decision will fall on Roseman… The Only times decisions will be a true Collaboration is when it’s an obvious situation where everyone agrees on the course of action… For example, it’s probably fair to call retaining Cox a collaborative decision because you would have to be insane to want to lose him and it’s probably unanimous that everyone wants him back
    But more times than not, it won’t be “collaborative”, it will be Roseman hearing EVERYONEs different opinions, and Roseman deciding on the course of action.. Traditionally THATS called a GM, LURIE just is so weak and afraid of public perception that he is scared to admit this pretty obvious fact to the public

  143. 143 Media Mike said at 5:51 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I was talking about this yesterday. I know a lot of new GMs wont fire the old dudes until after the draft because they don’t want the team’s board getting out there.

    So I’m ok if we don’t the new guy until May.

  144. 144 Greg Richards said at 3:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    In addition to Wilson, the Eagles hired Joe D’Orazio as asst WRs coach. Was TEs coach at Columbia last year and prior to that the Senior Assistant to the Head Coach under Reid. I’d guess he probably interned with the Eagles at some point. Don’t really know anything about D’Orazio other than that but I like the fact that we have an assistant WRs coach. That position really deserves more than 1 coach devoted to teaching them.

  145. 145 D3FB said at 4:00 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Yea we’ll carry probably 8 guys between 53 and the PS. Plus they typically work with TEs some as well. Seems smart.

  146. 146 JoeBlow said at 4:14 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Shawn Oakman needs to stop skipping leg day at the gym

  147. 147 A_T_G said at 5:15 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Is that the guy Tyler tweeted about?

  148. 148 JoeBlow said at 5:42 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    not sure, all i know is that he defines the saying “looks like tarzan, plays like jane”

  149. 149 A_T_G said at 5:47 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Actually, Tyler retweeted this:


  150. 150 Tdoteaglefan said at 7:02 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    OMG i heard the comments about him having underdeveloped legs but thought it was hyperbole. Dude really has what we in the gym call “bar body” . usually refers to guys who do nothing but arms and chest so they can look good at the bar.
    How the fuck is that even possible as a football player? When i played i was doing squats 3 days a week. Most s&c programs are heavily focused on legs and back and those habits usually stick with you

  151. 151 Media Mike said at 7:04 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Wonder what they’re doing for training down there at Baylor.

  152. 152 D3FB said at 3:44 AM on January 28th, 2016:

    Well Billings squats north of 800 lbs and is only 20, so it’s not like they don’t have squat racks.

  153. 153 BlindChow said at 9:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Arms like Tarzan, legs like Jane.

  154. 154 Media Mike said at 5:50 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Low character player as well. Kicked off of college team.

  155. 155 kajomo said at 5:55 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    That’s lazy Mike. I want no part of oakman, but not because of his character. This is a guy that had matured greatly and has becone a respected leader by both his coaches and players. He’s not the same person he was at psu

  156. 156 Media Mike said at 6:04 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Bull. If you’re thrown off of my favorite team and aren’t there to help them win games then you’re dead to me and a lifetime pariah in that sport.

  157. 157 kajomo said at 6:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Ha. Its hard to know when you have an opinion based on substance or opinions based on your emotions.

    Just curious…Who do you hate more…Kenjon Barner or Shanw Oakman

  158. 158 Media Mike said at 6:10 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Oakman, because he chose to undertake those actions.

    Barner’s existence on the roster was the problem, he didn’t do anything wrong himself.

  159. 159 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:31 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    If Roseman is planning on letting Bradford walk, his comments today are doing himself a diservice… Roseman reputation in this city is trash as it is, to the point that our Owner is scared to death to admit that Roseman is completely running the show which is clearly reality.. For a GM who isn’t very popular these days, I think it’s foolish for him to offer up comments today reminding everyone that when talking to all our players, they made it clear they believe in SAM and want him back, while also bringing up that the new coaches seem to think highly of SAM and also rave about how much he values their opinions being former QBs in this process, if he plans to not retain Bradford…
    Public doesn’t trust him as it is, if he is planning on letting SAM walk, then he is being foolish bringing up to the media how all the players and new coaches seem to really value SAM, if he plans on going against all of them and allowing SAM to walk.. regardless what he is planning to do, I think offering up these comments Wasnt a very good idea..it’s a lose lose no Matter how he feels about SAM.. If he plans on getting rid of him, he is reminding the public that he is going against all the wishes of players and our coaches, and if he really does plan on keeping Bradford, I would prefer he shut up about it and not say a word about him, Amd decline to answer questions about SAM until we get him under contract. I think Bradford wants to stay and is clearly playing his cards close to the vest which is what he should be doing at contract time, I would prefer the Eagles also play it close to the vest, not tip their hands and lose ANY leverage in the negotiations..
    Either way, I hope Roseman stops offering up any opinions on the bradford situation until the negotiations come to a close… And if he plans on letting him walk, then he is really foolish to remind everyone that he will be going against what most of the team wants..

  160. 160 FairOaks said at 4:42 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    So you suggest that he not speak to the press at all, basically. Either that, or not answer any question asked of him, because that is the question every reporter will ask. That will only get him even more attention and hatred, though.

    He’s answering with platitudes, which should be good enough. If he’s not brought back, I’m sure everyone will know that money was the basis of it, not that the Eagles didn’t like him or didn’t try.

  161. 161 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:51 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    No… I prefer he refuse to talk about SAM until he is under contract or with another team, the same way he refused to answer questions about Curry and Cox yesterday because negotiations are still fluid..
    I watched him give mostly BS answers that didn’t come close to answering questions he was asked the majority of the time.. Heck he wasn’t even willng to give his opinipn of how much he thinks the cap will increase..so I would prefer him not offering up info about how everyone in the locker room wants SAM back if he plans on keeping SAM.. And if he doesn’t plan on keeping SAM, then he is just stupid to offer up those statements basically reminding the public that he is going to go against the opinion of all our actual “Football people”.. Either way, I think he would be better served to not bring these things up, and usually, it’s much better to not talk about any player that you don’t have under contract yet.. He showed that common sense when he was asked about Cox and Curry, but slipped with Direah of the mouth when asked about SAM… I know he knows better…

  162. 162 ACViking said at 4:50 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    If Roseman is planning on letting Bradford walk . . .

    So if you were deciding, you’d just give Bradford a blank check and let his agent, Tom Condon, fill in the amount?

  163. 163 Mac said at 5:23 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Why wouldn’t I want to talk up a player I want to trade?

  164. 164 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:14 AM on January 28th, 2016:

    Because trading him is an unrealistic pipe dream that 12 year olds consider reality, not anyone with an realistic idea of NFL operations

  165. 165 Tumtum said at 4:56 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I love the Schwartz hire, but think I am probably the only Eagles fan sad to see the 3-4 go at this point. Mainly because I feel like this defense is close to being top 3…. as a 3-4. 43 is a big unknown.

    Hicks looked amazing as a rookie… in the 3-4…. Cox is becoming a game changer, every game…. in the 34. Etc. etc. You expect those things to translate, but of course we all expected Nnamdi Asomugaohjgasjf to be a good corner for the Eagles.

    Still hyped for the off-season so far. That is just my one area of concern.

  166. 166 RobNE said at 4:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    what?!? Now Cox and Curry (who likely wouldn’t have even been on the team next year) can wreak havoc. I think we instantly are better going to a 4-3 less 2 gapping system.

  167. 167 anon said at 5:12 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Problem is that like Graham last year you have to pay a sub package guy contract for a full time player but no one knows how curry will look playing full time . Just like Graham’s production was great until he had to play full time. Don’t love that contract either .

  168. 168 Tumtum said at 5:30 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Did I miss a Curry contract?

  169. 169 Fufina said at 5:08 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    They may use some 3-4 concepts they have developed still. We have some good 2 gaping DE’s that are on cheap contracts and it may make a lot of sense to play a hybrid system like the Pats and Seahawks do at times especially on run downs.

    People are overly focused on what the base defense is, we have got a good range of players with really diverse skill sets and i am sure a talented DC can plot some interesting things by droping Barwin and Graham into coverage at times and bring other rushers.

  170. 170 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:38 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I don’t think there is anything to worry about when it comes to our Front 7 and the change To a 4-3..
    Im more concerned with Malcom Jenkins turning into a great safety in our defense, and being vocal about the 3-4 being much better for his skillset than a 4-3… I think the scheme change is good for the Front 7, I just hope it doenst screw with the level of play we have been getting from Jenkins especially if we also lose Walt..
    The scheme change will be good for the front 7, but I am concerned that we need more ILB Talent because Kiko, Hicks and Kendricks all failed to get thru a 16 game season healthy.. Unfortunately we probably have to invest in another young Linebacker, while also adding some more DB talent..
    I don’t think we are too far off from the type of defense we are hoping to eventually see. And fortunately, transitioning back to a 4-3 should be significantly easier for our players than when they had to switch to a 3-4 and were all clueless the first 4 games of the 2013 season until they started to click after the ass whooping we took in denver

  171. 171 anon said at 4:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Coach Doug Pederson said impending free agent Sam Bradford would “love to be back” with the Eagles next season.

    Bradford has not spoken publically on the issue
    likely in an attempt to gain some leverage in negotiations, so this
    revelation will not play well in the Bradford camp. Pederson was less
    certain about the team’s desire to have Bradford around next season.
    “That’s a thing we have to continue to look at,” Pederson said. “I think
    he is a kid that would definitely fit the kind of offensive structure
    that I’ll bring.” Philadelphia has already invested a lot of money into
    Zach Ertz and will be shelling out big contracts to Lane Johnson, Vinny
    Curry and perhaps Fletcher Cox in the near future. There may not be
    enough money left to give Bradford the deal he is after.

  172. 172 laeagle said at 5:34 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I think you’re reading into it. You’re assuming that what is publicly known has any impact versus what the team knows.

    If Bradford told the team he’s interested in staying, then what’s the point in keeping that secret? The only point would be to not let the team know, so they’d think they’d have leverage. But he just told them. So any perceived leverage is already there.

  173. 173 Donald Kalinowski said at 5:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    A lot of people are reading too much into these comments as if it’s going to have some bearing on contract negotiations.

    I think Cousins sets the market in terms of $$/year and he’ll go to whatever teams is willing to offer him the most guaranteed money.

    These are the teams that will probably be looking at him in FA.
    1. Texans
    2. Browns
    3. 49ers
    4. Jets

  174. 174 Media Mike said at 6:07 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I can’t imagine that Cousins won’t be tagged.

  175. 175 anon said at 7:43 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Sholdhave made clear i stole from Roto…

  176. 176 anon said at 5:02 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    CSN Philly’s Geoff Mosher believes Vikings RE
    Everson Griffen’s five-year, $42.5 million contract is a “good model”
    for impending free agent DE Vinny Curry.

    When Griffen signed his deal after the 2013 season,
    he had only started one career game, but tallied 17.5 sacks over the
    previous three seasons as a sub-package rusher. Curry is in the same
    boat. He’s never started a game, but has 16.5 sacks over the past three
    seasons and projects to be a perfect fit for new DC Jim Schwartz’s
    defense. Curry is going to get paid handsomely.

  177. 177 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:16 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Makes me wonder what happens with Barwin.

  178. 178 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:31 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Doubt anything…. 3 Good edge rushers is neccessary, not a problem

  179. 179 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:41 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Yeah but that a lot of money to pay for a back up

  180. 180 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:02 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Not really considering Marcus Smith first round salary ain’t cheap either… I could understand if we were getting good production from a #3 edge rusher on a 5th round chump change rookie contract…. But is there really that big of a difference between paying Barwin and paying MS2? if MS2 emerges, then trading Barwin makes more sense.. But I would hate to lose Barwin, BG, or Curry until MS2 proves he is ready to take on a big role because #3 edge rusher is an important position even if they all stay Healthy..

  181. 181 ACViking said at 5:21 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    The Eagles’ biggest challenge with Curry may be keeping the value of Curry’s contract in substantial alignment with Graham’s.

  182. 182 anon said at 5:23 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Basically paying 2 guys starting money . At some pt can pet every marginal guy $8m/yr. I’d almost let curry prove it

  183. 183 BlindChow said at 9:33 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I wonder if he’d accept incentives to make up that difference. 10+ sacks gets an extra million, named to the Pro Bowl gets an extra million, etc…

  184. 184 laeagle said at 5:37 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Any contract signed 2 years after another one will make the older one look silly. That’s just the way it goes. Especially going into a period with larger increases in the cap size. Cap growth is currently accelerating, so any contract today will be much higher than one 2 years ago.

  185. 185 Media Mike said at 5:54 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Interesting contractual comparison………..that Mosher owe

  186. 186 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:28 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Seeing a lot of fans worrying about the SIXERS winning too much,. It doesn’t bother me as much. Since the SIXERS are done with having a team of Gipsy’s and are now actually starting to build this team up. I can’t be upset about seeing young talent improve and this team starting to Gel… If the NBA was structured like the NFL, I would probably be way more upset about the SIXERS winning…. But when a Draft Lottery is involved (NBA), whether we have the best odds with the worst record or the 3rd best Odds because we won’t too many game, either way we don’t get Ingram(preferably) or SIMMONS without getting Lucky in the lottery. Too often odds meant NOTHING with how the lottery unfolded.. Even with the worst records, we don’t get Ingram without getting lucky on Lottery Night… However, even if we see a disaster and end up with the #4 pick, we have so many assets that there is Probably a decent shot at being able to move up a spot or two to secure INGRAM..
    I didn’t expect to feel this way, but I’m probably more concerned with Hoping we don’t get the Lakers and Heat picks THIS year, Id prefer moving those picks to next year or the year after when Both become unprotected lottery picks at a time when Wades worn down bpdy will be two years older and Bosh will start to slow down, Im also hoping they make the mistake of giving big money to extend Whiteside, I don’t trust that kid at all. To me, he screams of a kid that is putting his best foot forward during a contract year, who if you pay, you risk him getting Lazy and never having another year like this again.. Unfortunately it looks like we are going to end up getting the Miami pick this year. I knew Miami WOULDNT be as good as they thought they would be, but even if they fall out of the playoffs which is unlikely, they wouldnt fall Too Far out of the playoffs so it’s likely we would still end up with the Miami pick this year, which for me ISNT Ideal, but cant be upset about having an extra pick…
    Im really hoping we don’t get the Lakers pick Til next year. I like next years draft class significantly more. There is a SF in Next years draft who I have had my eyes on for years who is going to be a fantastic NBA player, yet will probably still be available next year with a Lakers pick in the 4-6 range, I like him significantly more than any Wing in this draft with the exception of INGRAM, and I even like him ahead of some wings in next years draft who will go ahead of him and be top 3 picks (Josh Jackson and Jayson Tatum).. The kids name is Miles Bridges, 18yr old who is already 6’8, cock Diesel, highly skilled, highly athletic, can dribble, pass, Fly, and shoot it from deep and off the dribble, im not sure if he committed to college yet, but it’s been a pretty kniwn fact for a few years that he would end up with Tom Izzo at MSU, im just not sure if it’s official or not yet..
    In this years draft, if we miss out on Ingram, I will want to hang myself. If we miss out on the top two wings in next years draft, Josh Jackson and Jayson Tatum, for me that may actually be a blessing disguise because Miles Bridges has had NBA stud written all over him since he was like 15…. If you want to see him play this year, he plays for Huntington Prep, last year as a Junior he had some monster games against Ben Simmons who was a year older than him. At Huntington Prep last year, he played with Thomas BRyant who is having a pretty damn good freshman year for Indiana…
    Even if we don’t get the Lakers or Hear pick this year, our picks plus the thunder pick, along with the addittipns of Saric will be plenty of additions for one offseason.. Most fans want all 4 picks, but if we get that, at least one of those picks would be spent on a Euro who would wait a few years before coming to philly any way, because no way would we want to add 4 college kids, Embiid and Saric in one offseason.. That’s a lot of change.. And with next years draft being much better, not getting the lakers pick and the heat pick next year would be a blessing…
    I am able to feel this way partly because I don’t think there is anything that the Lakers could do this offseason to improve enough to get out of delivering a top 6 pick to the SIXERS next year… even if they get lucky and get Ben Simmons, Russell is over rated, and Julius Randle is solid, but not special, and I see no way they can improve enough in one year to avoid getting Embarressed by having to hand us a top 6 pick next year, all because their “Brilliant GM” traded for a washed up Steve Nash LOL..

  187. 187 Donald Kalinowski said at 5:44 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    The only guys I feel like we missed out in the last 2 drafts are Wiggins, Towns, and Porzingis. Really bummed out on Porzingis. Apparently Hinkie wanted to draft him but ownership was afraid of the backlash.

  188. 188 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:53 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I think Timberwolves Fans should be excited about Towns, Knick fans should be excited about Porzingis, and SIXERS fans should be excited about Okafor, because all 3 teams got extremely valuably playΓ«rs to the point where those fanbases shouldn’t care about who they DONT have. 4 years from now OKafor Wil
    Be one the most valuable post scorers come playoff time when half court execution is paramount. Id still take EMBIID over Wiggins, Jabari is second tier like Russell… This years draft is Ingram or Bust for me. I think Simmons will be a good player, I just worry that he will be a Blake Griffin type of player, instead of the Lebron, Magic, elite franchise player he is made out to be…I would probably like Simmos much more if we didn’t have 5 young front court playΓ«rs I adore already
    When it comes to Wiggins, good player, one of the very best Wings to enter the NBA the last few years, but I think Ingram will surpass him as an NBA star. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ingram Grows into a long 6’11 sniper when he is done growing and leap frogs both the Greak Freak and Wiggins as the best youmg Wings to enter the NBA the last few years…. Ingram is a very special young wing.

  189. 189 Donald Kalinowski said at 6:04 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Apparently Wiggins hasn’t been that great wing player that people were expecting him to be. I’ve read a few people comparing him to DeMar DeRozen.

    I’m not a big fan of Okafor because he’s always going to be below average defensively. Porzingis and Towns will always be able to challenge every shot at the rim and cover ground on the perimeter. Okafor isn’t that guy. He’s also a high usage low pace player.

  190. 190 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:38 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I think its way too soon to assume that OKafor won’t make the defensive improvements and rebounding improvements he needs to make in order to be a great player who can continue to win which he has done at every level.
    He is apparently extremely coachable, with a work ethic we can count on to put in the work needed to make the improvements he needs to make if he wants to be a special Big Man… It also helps that he is already starting to show defensive improvements, he will never be Nerlens who can fly around playing help defense all over the place, but He doesn’t need to be when we have Noel. Jah won’t be THAT help defender, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be a very solid positional man to man defender, He will get better at learning to use that special footwork he shows on offense to put him in position to get stops on the defensive end..
    I actually really love how Jah and Noel are so different, and I can see them gelling into something special, people just don’t understand that it was always going to take longer then half way of a rookie season for Jah and Noel to learn to play together, which makes me laugh when people already think they know that they won’t be able to… NERLENS and Jah NEVER played with another Big man like they are being asked to play with, it was always going to take YEARS not MONTHS to gel them… Fortunately Okafr is showing Ridiculuos amount of improvement in his jumper and FT shooting so Quickily in the process which is key because they need that Jumper to make the spacing between the two work on offense. I find it exciting that both Bigs are very good passing Big men. Come next year when they will be more accustomed to playing together, I think that their passing ability will form a quality two man, high low, post game. people also don’t realize it because it will take years, but don’t be surprised if Noel grows into a solid jumper shooter, The strides in his shooting form since he couldn’t hit a FT in Kentucky are exciting, because he is so coordinated that I think he was always going to become a so much better offensive player than we thought we were getting… Just look at the insane flashes of high end offensive skill, crossing over alex Len, taking him to the hole and finishing with a left hand layup.. Early in the year he put the ball behind his back driving to the rim to avoid the defender and finish with a dunk.l look at how his FT’s are improving and often looking like butter going thru that Net.. Heck, look at last night, ceiling the win by pulling up and nailing that jumper with confidemce to put the nail in the Suns coffin.. Look at the flashes of ball handling, and flashes of really talemted passing ability.
    Unfortunately it Takes YEARS to see the improvement we need to see, in this 19yr old era of one and done… But there is so much more to be excited about when it comes to Jah and OKafor than SIXERS fans seem to realize.
    growth Rate is the most important thing, and both show a growth rate to be excited about, I never imagined OKafor would be a good jump shooter after half of his rookie season, he came into the season a drastically improved FT shooter.. Think a future with Jah and Noel is very exciting, and I wouldn’t want to trade Jah until I see EMBIID make it thru two seasons healthy..
    The ONLY scenario Id be ok with trading Jah now, is if we get the top pick and draft Simmons, and can then use Jah to trade for Ingram, but for that to happen we would need to see a team like the Wizards who have plenty of young wing talent, and lack young big men to get the #2 pick and be willing to work out a trade around Jah and Ingram.., if we can use Jah To get BOTH Simmons and Ingram, great, if not, keep Jah and be happy knowing we have a half court force being groomed for eventual playoff time who is strong everywhere Nerlens ISNT and vice versa…. Any other Jah trade, I will want Myles Turner from the Pacers, and some other valuable compensation in return for Jah

  191. 191 Greg Richards said at 6:29 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Adam Schefter

    3m3 minutes ago

    Browns are hiring Colts pro scouting coordinator Andrew Berry as VP of Player Personnel, per sources. This is the Browns’ top personnel job.

    The Browns’ job is similar to the one we are likely offering in that someone else has ultimate personnel control(likely, although Lurie left some leeway there). They certainly didn’t get anyone that high profile. I like to think I know personnel types around league better than the average lay man and I’m not familiar with Berry at all.



  192. 192 Media Mike said at 6:34 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Haslem is certainly putting together (or letting Hue put together) quite the crew. Weird collection of people.

  193. 193 Greg Richards said at 6:41 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I thought the coaching staff they assembled was pretty good. Berry is apparently from Harvard and probably a very bright guy but Indy hasn’t impressed me from a scouting perspective, either in the pro personnel area(Berry’s area) or in college scouting. Of course, that may not reflect on Berry personally as he wasn’t the ultimate decision-maker.

  194. 194 Media Mike said at 6:43 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I LOVE Hue, but Ray Horton is a notorious malcontent and Kirby Wilson seems to job hop a lot from RB coach job to RB coach job.

  195. 195 Greg Richards said at 7:21 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    This is a sensitive topic and I’m sure to offend some with this but:

    When minorities are excluded from HC hires and top coordinator jobs, it’s deemed as something that needs to be fixed so the Rooney Rule is implemented. So why is it when owners/HCs who most often are white hire guys that they have familiarity with or a common background with(typically other white guys) is it viewed along racial lines and viewed as a problem but no one(besides me of course) is willing to bring up the fact that when an African-American is hired as a top exec or as a HC their assistant ranks are dominated by people who share a similar ethnic background? Seriously, take a look at Cleveland’s staff. I have no problem with this personally. I don’t question the qualifications of any of those hired and I think it’s natural for anyone to want to work with people that they have a common background with. I just think that if the media is going to bring race into the equation every time an African-American HC is fired or when minorities are not hired into HC or coordinator positions, then it has to work both ways.

  196. 196 anon said at 7:29 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Minority has to be protected from tyranny of the majority not the other way around.

  197. 197 Media Mike said at 7:32 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    But who is protecting Browns fans from the tyranny of Haslem’s interference with the front office and coaches?

  198. 198 Greg Richards said at 7:34 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Same standard should apply to each side IMO. If it’s wrong for the goose, it’s wrong for the gander. If it’s wrong for the white swan, it’s wrong for the black swan.

  199. 199 anon said at 6:49 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I thought what they did last year in terms of pro acquisitions wasn’t bad, gore was great for them, i guess other people didn’t pan out — but liked the moves at the time.

  200. 200 anon said at 6:39 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    was going to say “see they got someone during this pre-draft period, but maybe he’s a no one”. Wonder what Grigson’s rep is compared to Howies?

  201. 201 Media Mike said at 6:42 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    How about Berry being in charge of pro personnel decisions like:
    signing Todd Herremans who we knew what shot
    signing Trent Cole who we knew was shot
    signing Andre Johnson who got $7 mil / year to go for 41-503-4

    Wow, that’s some bad eval of pro personnel.

  202. 202 Greg Richards said at 7:11 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Typically the pro personnel coordinator/director provides scouting reports/advice to the GM/VP of Player Personnel. The boss makes the decisions and doesn’t always take the underling’s advice.

  203. 203 Media Mike said at 7:12 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I’m declaring guilt by association!

  204. 204 Greg Richards said at 6:45 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Ryan Grigson? Colts fans hate him. Bob Kravitz constantly reported that he and Pagano were at each other’s throats and it was one or the other but then both stayed in Indy this year. I think Kravitz might like to manufacture drama though because he did similar hatchet pieces on their previous GM, Chris Polian.

    From my perspective, Grigson seems like a guy that is really good at finding sleepers either in the draft or CFL/Arena League but he struggles with big-picture things: proper value in Round 1, big ticket FA signings. It makes sense that Howie and he are friends. Seems like their strengths/weaknesses would compliment each other.

  205. 205 Media Mike said at 6:47 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    proper value in Round 1

    so we can’t block or defend anybody; let’s take Phillip Dorsett.

  206. 206 anon said at 6:50 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    even though TY is the same player and we just paid him

  207. 207 Media Mike said at 6:32 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Bad news:Big 3 QBs went in the top 12 and I missed Kiel, so I had to reach for Sudfeld in the 4th.
    Bad news / good news: I didn’t swing any trade down business. So I lost a chance at some value, but gained the ability to avoid getting scolded by y’all for nonsense trade down.
    Good news: Tunsil was there at 13!!!!!!!!!!!! And yes, I know that’s not happening in April.

    So thoughts on the players?

    Round 1 Pick 13: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Karl Joseph, SS, West Virginia (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Nate Sudfeld, QB, Indiana (C)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 23: Alex Redmond, OG, UCLA (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (A)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Frankie Williams, CB, Purdue (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 30: DeAndre Washington, RB, Texas Tech (A)

  208. 208 TypicalDouche said at 6:50 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Tunsil dropping to 13 would be a dream come true but like you said, not a chance in hell that happens.

  209. 209 Media Mike said at 6:51 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    There would be multiple accidents in my pants.

  210. 210 RC5000 said at 10:17 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I don’t think Kiel declared for the draft anyway fyi.

  211. 211 anon said at 6:57 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Jerry Jones said the Cowboys do not “have to” draft a quarterback this year.

    “There are many options,” Jones said. “There’s no
    have to here, in my mind, because we have the luxury of having [Tony]
    Romo here for 3, 4, 5 more years.” The Cowboys are rumored to be eying
    Romo’s heir apparent with the No. 4 overall pick, but Jones has
    consistently said Romo will be with the team for multiple more seasons.

  212. 212 anon said at 6:57 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    surprised they didn’t put luxury in air quotes.

  213. 213 Media Mike said at 7:00 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I’m inclined to believe Jones here for three reasons;

    1- that’ll help get a QB down to where the Eagles can get him
    2 -Cowboys fans are clamoring for a QB, so Jones might be trying to tamp down that sentiment
    3 – Jones truly believes the Cowboys are a title team and he thinks he can get a guy at 4 who will have a big impact right away

  214. 214 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 7:47 PM on January 27th, 2016:


  215. 215 Dave said at 7:59 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    He wanted to draft Johnny football a couple years ago. 3 Broken collarbones in 5 years and a bad back. Unless Romo gets hurt like this year again, Cowboys may not have the opportunity to draft this high for a top QB for a while.

  216. 216 Donald Kalinowski said at 7:50 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    He’s got a top 10 QB, a top 5 WR, the best O-Line in the NFL, and a solid defense. I don’t think it’s crazy to say that they can make a title push in the next 1-2 years. Last year they were 12-4.

  217. 217 Media Mike said at 7:52 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    They’re really missing something; a running back perhaps? Name rhymes with Emarco Urray.

  218. 218 Donald Kalinowski said at 8:03 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Darren McFadden had 1000 yards rushing last year. That was with him splitting carries for the early part of the season

  219. 219 anon said at 7:54 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Also missing an OL coach.

  220. 220 Donald Kalinowski said at 7:49 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Christian Hackenberg, Paxton Lynch, and Conner Cook.

    How would you rank them so far?

  221. 221 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 7:55 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    goff, wentz, lynch,cook, hack

  222. 222 Dave said at 7:57 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Not sure who would draft Cook with his apparent attitude problem.

  223. 223 Media Mike said at 7:57 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    Not I

  224. 224 Media Mike said at 7:57 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I’d buy that for a dollar.

  225. 225 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 7:58 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    the operative words being “so far” this is all subject to change as the process unflods. Ranking cook above hack is just a testament to how much I hate hack

  226. 226 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 8:04 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    I think I’ve seen all I need. I wont change how I feel during pre draft. Seeing guys throw against air or run around in shorts does nothing for me.

  227. 227 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 8:06 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    well i personally need to get caught up my ametur scouting, and that is what i need to see. I also think that if somebody interviews super well that helps them, as we seem to be looking for this touchy-feely atmosphere around here

  228. 228 jshort said at 8:09 PM on January 27th, 2016:


    For you draft guys.

  229. 229 anon said at 8:25 PM on January 27th, 2016:

    very interesting, makes our LBs look worse than they are — our WRs are terrible