Free Agency Talk
Posted: January 22nd, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 261 Comments »As we head into the offseason, we’ll talk a lot more about the coaching staff and their new ideas. We also have the draft to discuss at great length. There is also free agency, which is today’s topic.
Eliot Shorr-Parks is reporting that the Eagles are focused on working out contract extensions for OT Lane Johnson, TE Zach Ertz and DL Vinny Curry. This seems pretty obvious, but it is good to hear
Johnson has started at RT for 3 years. He is a good player that we keep hoping will take that next step and become a great player. He does have great moments. There will be some plays where he gets excellent movement and creates a big area for the RB to hit.
Ertz is similar to Johnson. He is a good player, but still needs to take that next step to be great. Ertz has flashes where he looks like he could be a special player. He was incredibly productive in the last 4 games in 2015.
vs BUF – 5-98
vs ARZ – 8-78-1
vs WAS – 13-122
at NYG – 9-152
Without even doing the research, I’m willing to bet eleventy billion dollars that L.J. Smith never had a 4-game stretch anything like that.
Vinny Curry is the most interesting name. He wasn’t in the top 15 tacklers on defense. He only had 3.5 sacks and 4.5 TFLs. But he had 21 hurries, which ranked him second only to Fletcher Cox. The one stat that isn’t kept is disruption. Curry is a very disruptive player. He explodes off the ball and can occupy blockers, which frees up another rusher. He draws holding calls. His penetration can force the QB to throw early or move in the pocket, possibly closer to another rusher.
Curry was a backup DL and valuable role player for Bill Davis. He could become a key starter for Jim Schwartz. Whether the Eagles are in the 4-3 or a 1-gap 3-4 system, Curry is a guy you can play a lot. Let him attack gaps and he is going to be very disruptive. He is not meant to play in a 2-gap system, which asks DL to strike, read, find the ball and then attack. That single second where he’s looking for the ball neutralizes his burst, which is what makes him special.
All 3 of these players are homegrown and are the kind of guys you want to make part of the long term core of your team.
It is also interesting to note that the Eagles retained the position coaches for Ertz and Johnson. I think one of the reasons they did that is because Jeff Stoutland and Justin Peelle did such a good job with their young pupils. Developing young talent is crucial to winning in the NFL.
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Jimmy Bama wrote a piece on 5 free agents who fit the Eagles. The names all make sense.
His piece got me to thinking about whether the Eagles should go after big free agents this offseason. You could bring in a couple of key FAs to help plug holes. Or you could focus on just adding second tier players. The thought would be to let this become Doug Pederson’s team by letting him build it up.
The question really becomes how Jeff Lurie, Howie Roseman and Pederson view the 2016 season. Are they trying to win as many games as possible or are they trying to build for the future.
There isn’t a right or wrong answer to that question. Really the key is how they execute the plan they decide to go with. Can they find the right guys to make that plan work?
The best team isn’t the biggest names. Sometimes it isn’t even the most talented players. You need the right set of players for the schemes being used. Chemistry and fit are crucial. The last thing you want to do is pay someone big money and have them end up eating lunch in their car. Right?
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The Eagles hired John DeFilippo to be the QBs coach. This seems like a very good move. He was the offensive coordinator in Cleveland in 2015 and previously was the QBs coach for the Raiders. He got rookie Derek Carr to play well in Oakland. I’m blown away by the fact he got Matt McGloin to perform effectively for the Raiders prior to that.
DeFilippo did coach Mark Sanchez back in 2009. It will be interesting to see if Sanchez sticks around or the Eagles cut him. I hope they let him go. There was no growth from 2014 to 2015.
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There are reports that Rory Segrest is going to be the DL coach. He held that role with the Eagles back in 2009 and 2010, before being fired. He went back to being a college coach and worked at Samford from 2011-2013. The past couple of years he was at Arkansas as their DL coach.
I was never a fan of Segrest. I didn’t think he had a strong enough background to be coaching in the NFL. Having him come back to the league after successful stints at a small college and then SEC school makes me feel better about him.
When Segrest was here before, he was teaching the DTs how to 2-gap on base plays and then having the DL attack from Nickel and Dime looks. This time around he would be teaching 1-gap principles the whole way through. That makes me more comfortable as well. It also helps that he would be working under Jim Schwartz, who has a strong history with successful DL.
If Segrest is the guy, I can live with it. Who knows…maybe he’ll prove to be a better coach this time around. I certainly hope that’s the case.
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Great write-up. A big question is, do they draft a qb and bring in a guy like Chase Daniels. Guess free agency will answer that.
As much as I don’t like Sanchez I wouldn’t pay Daniel as much as KC did.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/3/12/4097246/chase-daniels-contract-is-very-big-for-a-backup-10-million-over-3
Sanchez has proven game after game (or should I say loss after loss?) that he is not reliable.
So did Bradford..
Rub. Bish.
I think Bradford towards the end of the season proved he was starting to become a reliable QB. Much more them Sanchez at least.
You’re right. So many times I’d think, “OK, Mark, one more chance…” only to be disappointed.
You probably aren’t going anywhere with a short QB who’s turning 30 during next season and couldn’t take job from Alex Smith.
What if we don’t get a QB at 13th pick and QB we take later looks like most mid to late round QBs, a backup QB. Sanchez may give us a better chance to get a higher pick if he’s a couple wins worse. At best your paying Daniel more probably to do about same as Sanchez or a little better.
I definitely could see them signing Daniel since Pederson knows him and he knows offense though don’t get me wrong..
Not sure wasn’t Daniel’s only getting like $4.5 million and Sanchez $8M?
This season , yes, but in ’16 “Sanchize” is $5.5mil
Oh on for some reason thought it was 8 again this year. Either way Daniels is cheaper
Don’t read too much Jimmy K. when it comes down to Sam Bradford.
I like Jimmy a great deal but, yea, he really comes down hard on Bradford.
His bias against Sammy is not justified. It is hilarious instead.
leave free agency alone. Too many of our players need to be extended the next two years to be going free agent shopping, we NEED to build a culture of homegrown guys, get everyone extended the next two years and once we have our in house players taken care of we can look to put the finishing touches on the team in FA a few years from now. The only way I would want to see a free agent signing if there is a starting OLineman available who one of our coaches knows really well and is certain the guy would come in, give us our money’s worth and fit in with our Locker room
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When we extend Ertz, Celek will have to take a paycut, basically those two almost need to switch contracts, Ertz gets paid like a quality TE, Celek needs to be paid 2nd round rookie money to get to finish his career as a blocking TE in Philly.
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No surprise that we kept OL and TE coach because they have been developing our young players compared to Bicknell, who I can’t point to a single WR who improved last year under him.
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hoping Pederson gets the word to Trey Burton to start training to incorporate FB lead blocking in his arsenal. In the Andy Reidish offense, a guy like Burton could end up being a potent weapon from the FB spot, who can run the ball and catch passes like a poor mans Leonard Weaver..
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I don’t care for Segrest, but hope his assistant long time DL NFL veteran Phillip Daniels can be an asset To our young DL teaching them some crafty veteran tricks of the trade, and he should be a real asset in film study, game planning to attack opposing OL’s
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I have a feeling that the 2016 seasons of Cox and Curry is going to make Chip look very bad… As will demarco Murrays resurgence under Pederson(fingers crossed)
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BRADFORD! bradford! bradford!!
I can’t imagine we will go after any high-profile free agents, other than our own, but the second-tier guys may be necessary. Especially on OL.
I tend to agree with you. However if we could extend our homegrown (soon/2/be) Free Agents [Ertz, Curry, Johnson], I wouldn’t mind 1 or two top tier Free Agent pickups like Ashlon Jeffery and Rashad Johnson.
You use FA to fill holes so that you can go BPA in the draft.
Schwartz is a very smart, experienced, and successful defensive coach who specializes in getting the most from the defensive line. If he thinks Segrest is the right choice for coach of the DL, then I am onboard with it, until results prove differently.
I agree. Not only that, I think our personnel already matches Schwartz’s attack style and the Eagles are going to have a top 5 defense next year.
OK if Segrest was id’ed by Schwartz as his choice for DL coach; less comfortable if Segrest was suggested/pushed onto Schwartz by FO as a good ole boy from the AK coaching tree. There’s a world of difference between these two extremes.
Yeah, that’s the one good thing. If he’s not doing it well, I’m sure Schwartz can teach him that job.
The thing I remember most about Segrest from last time was watching him fake it- talking about special teams, pretending he knew what he was talking about when all the evidence suggested otherwise. So I hope he has grown because if you can’t admit what you don’t know, your going to have a hard time getting to the truth of any matter.
Admit to whom? The sports press?
That’s a great idea.
izzylangfan . . .
aloha!!!
Yeah gotta do something about QB. I hear Bradford is eyeing up San Francisco as his next stop lol.
franchise tag and make Chip overpay
Baalke not Chip
I don’t think people understand that yet.
Damn I didn’t know that Iloka was that big. The Bengals backfield was pretty good, I wouldn’t want another Maxwell on the team if Iloka ends up being the cream of the crop safety in FA,
He isn’t the cream of the crop, he is more of a 2nd tier player.
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Eric Berry, Reggie Nelson, Tashaun Gipson are the top options.
Berry isn’t leaving KC. Reggie Nelson is old. Gipson had a Kiko year.
Yet Nelson and Gipson are both leaps and bounds better then Iloka. You can play safety when you’re older. Gipson was hurt most of the year but is still a top 7 safety when healthy.
Nelson will be 33 by the time the next season starts. Woodson/Dawk are outliers of old safeties playing well.
Gipson will go to a winning team that’s paying the highest. We’re stuck with the Ilokas, Weddles, and Thurmonds if we’re signing a starting safety in FA.
Rashad Johnson. He’s the hidden gem (besides Eric Berry who will be tagged anyway!).
Rashad Johnson. He’s the hidden gem (besides Eric Berry who will be tagged anyway!).
Watch him get pick 6s in each of the next two games and totally mess that up!
But he’s a name I like.
Now if Deone Buccanon would also become available I’d cream my pants!!
Save your cream. That ain’t happening.
No thanks on cornball Weddle. Somebody will overpay him based on his overrated rep.
Iloka has great range as well as size. He’s basically what Taylor Mays was supposed to be.
He’s still a SS. Even if he’s the top guy available you’re still only looking at 7-8 a year at most.
The contract could go bad but it won’t be a Maxwell size albatross.
Maybe Segrest will be Jim Scwartz’s Bill Davis. Schwartz has a very good history with DL on different teams.
would you be able to pass up nkemdiche if he falls to us at 13? that would be a positvely frightening dt group. logan can handle the two gapping and run suppot and then have nkemdiche and cox attack on 3rd down.
Yes.
Unless he can be cross trained to play offensive line, yes.
When can we start trading guys like Brandon Bair, Taylor Hart, and Josh Huff to the 49ers for picks?
Most likely would be player-for-player trades.
If we deal with Chip we can pull in a 2nd round pick.
For Bradford, sure, why not. Though we’d be dealing with Baalke right now.
I think the best FA opportunities will come after Chip decides he doesn’t like a bunch of the guys on the 49ers roster. You know, it’s a culture thing.
That could take a year though.
Too bad there isn’t anyone on the niners that most team would want. Alex Boone is UFA and I really want Philly to chase him. So outside of Bowman and Torrey Smith, who really isn’t that good, they don’t have a lot of talent.
Too bad Baalke is running things over there
Side note: I just got off the phone with my bro-in-law who lives in Colorado. He told me Broncos fans are prepared to be destroyed by the Pats.
I also live in Colorado, and I certainly don’t get that feel from the fans. I think they’re prepared for a very good game, where they’ll definitely have to rely upon their defense, especially its pass rush to rattle Tom. They’re feeling positive about the game, since the weather will be fair, because they have no faith in Peyton’s arm in the cold.
Me? I think the Broncos get tossed around!
I heard on NE radio today that the Bronco who would cover Edelman is hurt and may or may not play. Even if he plays but is hurt, that’s tough to overcome.
Yeah, that would be Cliff Harris I think
yep that guy. NE radio (perhaps naturally) thinks the Broncos won’t stop the Pats and can’t score enough with Peyton to keep up. I agree but hope I’m wrong.
Brady is beat-able if you’re capable of getting to the QB.
I love watching him pout and whine when he gets hit.
The Browns have rehired Ray Horton to be DC. Hue Jackson has enlisted the offensive coaching expertise of 7 coaches, none of whom have the title “OC”. Maybe Horton will be Jackson’s successor. If Cleveland gets a franchise QB, that division will be the toughest in the NFL.
Bradford?
not Johnny Football?
Cleveland is getting RGMe. Book it.
Yea but he plays Safety bro 😉
list of Players that Eagles interviewed during East-West Shrine week
Colorado CB – Ken Crawley
Cincinatti OG – Parker ehinger – 6’7” 318lbs
Umass WR – Tajae Sharpe – 6-1 190lbs
Miami WR – Rashawn Scott
Manitoba DL – Ebuka D Onyemata – 6-4 300lbs
Stanford WR – Devon Cajuste 6-4, 230 (possibly TE/Hback at next level)
Michigan State OL – Donovan Clark – 330lbs
Cal RB Daniel Lasco
Nebraska OT – Alex Lewis 6-6 290lbs
Stanford DE – Aziz Shittu – 6-3 280lbs
Florida State DT – Nile Lawrence 325lbs
Navy RB – Keenan Reynolds
Stony Brook DE – Victor Ochi – 6-2 255
looks like they focused mostly on Dlinemen followed by WR’s, Olinemen, and RB’s
Great intel.
Where’d you find this list?
Any impressions about any of these players?
Edit: DE Victor Ochi looks like one of those Andy Reid-type “fastballs”
Did we take anyone we talked to at the shrine game last year? Who is running scouting?
As far as I know the only guys we took from the Shrine Game were UDFA’s …Travis Raciti, Brett Boyko
List is on NFL.com
Thank you sir,
I just saw it on my twitter feed but wasn’t able to copy and paste here, so i just typed it out **edit** I think it’s posted on BGN.
as far as any impressions..I have no idea, I’m gonna set my DVR to record the game and then check it out to see if anybody sticks out. I’m intrigued by what i read about the DL Ebuka D Onyemata..apparently he’s a freak with a lot of upside and great size
I like Sharpe a lot. Wouldn’t mind having him here
2 WRs interviewed had one thing in common. Sharp and Cajuste
good route running and hands. Cajuste was noted as a below-average athlete.
hopefully we have a coach now that will give backups a chance to play.
Nice scoop!
Ahh free agency.
I agree with a number of the posters here that it’s probably best to limit our big swings in free agency, focusing on the draft, retaining our key players and developing them for the future. However, with a new head coach, with a complete change in offensive and defensive philosophy, there will absolutely be a need or two to cover before the draft, if only to allow us flexibility to draft something like BPA. Simply put, we cannot be competitive with the offensive line in its current state, and I think we need to add 3 new quality OL, through a mix of FA and the draft.
Key needs:
It has to start with the big one….QB. What you do with Bradford is going to be huge for this organization going forward. Lots of talk about letting him walk if the money is too rich, but I cannot see any way we don’t at least franchise Sam for one more year. Maybe he isn’t the guy, but you can’t start next season with Sanchez and ? at the most important position. So I say sign the man, though this is a complicated debate, and one I can see both sides of.
Next, the afforementioned OL. I think we all know we need a tackle of the future (draft this guy, preferably round 1-2, I know, we don’t have a second round pick absent a trade) Lane can move to the left, but drafting a top shelf guy can do us worlds of good now and in the future. I like Laremy Tunsil at 13 but he’s probably not there. Ronnie Stanley is a solid pick there as well. If we go for a future RT maybe we can move back 5-10 spots, pick up a second round pick, and still get Taylor Decker. Jack Conklin I am not so keen on. In any event we need to draft a top flight OL early. I don’t think any FA tackles are too good to pass up.
Far as OG we should add one experienced FA and draft one guy round 3-4. I am hoping we find a way to add Sebastian Tretola. Cody Whitehair also looks good. Far as veterans the cream of the crop is Kelechi Osemele. He will cost a boatload, and I’d pay for him, but it probably won’t happen. Alex Boone has been mentioned a lot but I’m not too fired up about him. Incognito and Ramon Foster I’d also pass on. One mid-level guy I do like is Mike Harris from the Vikings. 27, former tackle who took off as a first time starter this year. Maybe get him to sign for the Evan Mathis special.
C, well I doubt they give up on Kelce after one down year. No real FA options to speak of. Maybe we add a guy like Nick Martin round 4-5 and try him at guard/center backup. Don’t know if Kelce will rebound, hope he will, but he was really bad at times last year and that was pretty discouraging.
Obviously we roll with what we have at RB.
WR I’m not signing any FA. We have spent too much ammo in recent drafts not to let it all shake out. We still could use a number 1 (we hope Agholor develops into that, but Jordan is a high-end #2 and right now Agholor looks more like a slot guy) I wonder if Laquon Treadwell falls if we don’t snatch him up round 1. Having a guy you can feed the ball to with CONSISTENT HANDS would do wonders for the whole offense. Huff I am ready to relegate to #4.
TE I think we’re solid. Maybe we exchange Celeks $5 mill cap hit for a less expensive veteran blocker (Mercades Lewis?) but I don’t think we’ll shake the tree much here.
On D we need much less help. The only real position of need is SS if Thurmond bolts and arguably CB, where I think drafting for the future makes a ton of sense. On the other hand there are a some very talented secondary players in free agency this year. There are about 15 CB you could put ahead of Carroll, so I doubt he’s retained. If Rowe is ready for the starting role we just use him and Maxwell and draft CB late. At SS you can’t find anyone better than Eric Berry, but the Chiefs will resign him, and cost would be prohibitive anyway. I do like George Iloka as a thumper, and Tashuan Gibson is a boss, though he was a little beat up last year. Either of those guys would look good in green. Maybe this is the year we take a flyer on Tyvon Branch? He’s definately a + athlete.
LB we use who we have. For my money I’d line them up
WILL – Kendricks
MIKE – Hicks/Demeco
SAM – Alonso/Barwin?
DE we could use a dominant pass rusher, but I don’t see us adding that guy this year. Resign Curry and let him play for gods sake. Graham/Barwin should give us enough off the edge. DT we are set with Cox and Logan, we need to get rid of Hart and Bair, let Allen be a run stuffer specialist and maybe add a body each at DE and DT for depth. Malik Jackson could be an interesting addition but will probably cost way too much. I’m thinking we draft someone like Noah Spence to add some speed at DE and DT could be any of 20 guys. There are so many DT I think its the strength of this years draft. So pick up a guy who drops a bit and he doesn’t necessarily have to start anytime soon.
So to sum up:
Resign Bradford
Sign a FA OG
Sign a SS
Draft
Round 1 — OT (QB?)
Round 3 (2 picks) — OG, CB
Round 4 — DE
Round 5 — (2 picks) — OG, DT
Round 6-7 (3 picks) — C, S, FB
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/181904/nfls-o-line-epidemic-threatens-its-qb-star-system
I was just watching 30 for 30 Four Falls of Buffalo, and Frank Reich was in there of course. Really interesting to see the character of our new OC. Great 30 for 30 also, at least Eagles fans never felt the pain of losing 4 SB’s in a row.
I really like 30 For 30. Some of the best documentaries I’ve ever seen. The Four Falls was a very good one.
It could almost be made into a musical or something. Seems like a classic literary tale or fable. The arc of that team, from young upstart to cocky to stunned to funeral march was remarkable.
I think this is a year where we wish the draft would come before FA. It will be very interesting to see what we do at QB.
LOL at Chip’s OC.
Modkins probably agreed to it to get a pay raise but will have Chip’s hand stuck up his ass as a puppet.
I think the OCs under Chip were only responsible for giving him his index card of a playbook.
Kind of bummed that Jimmy only had one o-lineman on his target list. I think we can develop talent that can help out as much as we need at every position except O-line. We need that O-line to be more functional right away. I don’t just Jeff Allen does that. I need Mitchell Schwartz here as well.
We’ll need 1-2 draft picks for sure, and Josh Andrews will be back I assume. Barbre wasn’t completely awful. I think a mid-range FA to compete with those guys and some draft picks and we could have some good depth back. Big question is tackles — if we let Peters go, or move him to guard, then we need to draft a tackle and pretty high at that.
doubt peters is going anywhere, especially now. Only guy will balls to cut him is gone.
Howie’s still here.
O-line was weak this year, but that is a tough conversation.
What do we think about Peterson’s ability to stay healthy with a normal (or even Friday off, like in Andy day’s) practice schedule? Does he stay at tackle? Does he move to guard?
Don’t forget whats his face got a nice contract last off-season (can’t even remember his name now, but I’m about to drive 35 miles in blizzard). So RG is pretty locked. If you keep Peterson another spot is locked up. LT or LG. So then really you only NEED one starter. Then you have the guys that started this year as depth. So really get 1 guy to plug (if you keep Peterson and I think you do), then develope yound talent.
Peters will start a LT next year. Only question will be salary.
His salary is not that bad in 2016. The question is can he return to playing at a decent level? Think they keep him in the end since signing a decent OL would cost the cap you save this year cutting him. This is his last year as an Eagle however, as his 2017 salary is a non starter and he has way to much pride to take a 50%+ pay cut.
Better hope howie has that joe banner in him.
We don’t have the cap space for signing multiple quality OL this coming year, with so many guys to be resigned.
Target a good guard to upgrade the worst position on the defense, the hit a guard in the 3rd and a centre some time later. OL still wont be HOF worthy but will have the ability to move in the direct.
No way. Every team in the NFL is looking to upgrade their O Line this year. You take the best guard/tackle available in the first round because there will be nothing left by the third.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/181904/nfls-o-line-epidemic-threatens-its-qb-star-system
“The cause
Hutchinson, who is now a college football analyst for Fox Sports, traces the issue to the rise of the spread offense at the high school and college level. In most cases, the scheme asks offensive linemen to operate out of a two-point stance, fundamentally changing their approach and limiting their technique.”
Time to retire this spread nonsense or the NFL needs to get a minor league rolling and start having future players play some real football.
Schwartz is going to get top of the market RT money, and has versatility to play G. He’s getting 7-9 AAV.
If they move on from Peters and don’t keep Bradford we can certainly look at Schwartz plus one of Boone, Allen, or Sweezy.
That’s what I’m hoping.
Sure seems like coaches don’t want to work with Chip. A lot of “his” coaches stayed in Philly. I realize the Eagles likely blocked some, but even Oregon guys like Harper and Peele stayed in Philly. Think the Eagles would have let them go if they requested it.
Then, Vrabel declines to be his DC. Anthony Lynn declines to be his OC. He hires Modkins who led Detroit’s RBs and they weren’t very good-rushing wise. No Theo Riddick type passing back in SF. Reggie Bush would have qualified in the past but he’s on his last legs. He hires Pat Flaherty as his OL coach and the Giants’ OL has been one of the worst in the league for at least the past 3 years.
how the mighty have fallen.
His guys here were under contract here after he was fired. You have somewhat of a point though. Vrable being a former player that made lots of money in a long career can afford to pass up that gig. If I was a candidate there I wouldn’t want it unless it were my only shot.
I think Billy D has a decent rep around the league, and its pretty obvious Chip’s inability to see what is right under his nose led an elite defense to being a heap of garbage by the end of the season.
even if it was you’re better off staying w/ current team if defense is good, profiting from those numbers and taking a position that’s more favorable.
This defense is going to be really really good. Just wait!
i’ll wait, they better be.
elite defense?
back to back 45 point games is not elite no matta what the excuse might be.
they were tired?
well how did they only give up 28 the week after to the pats? or 20 to the bills, wouldn’t they have been more tired?
when were they elite?
Also a chance for Peele and Harper — particularly Harper — to learn a new system, and a new way of coaching, from some pretty good coaches.
If they want to leave next year, they can.
I don’t think Chip Kelly has ever had a good reputation. After that genius offensive guru facade wore off then what does he have left?
10 million bucks in cash.,,maybe more. .. and an orphanage is thailand
I wonder how Chip is spinning all this to Baalke, it is clear that no one with big experience wants to work with him. Let alone promising up and coming coaches like Vrabel, even Belichick cautioned him against it.
don’t forget the niners suck, and some coaches had some issues there in the recent past as well right?
At least their organization will state what everyone does. Could anyone believe that crap that came out of Jeffrey’s mouth about wanting to keep the roles a secret til next week? He said it is an advantage for them in their search, like any candidate will come here without knowing their job title/duties.
I am curious to see how a GM with a history of drafting a team full of Criminals, meshes with Chip who takes Talented playërs off his draft board for Jay walking?
doubt chip has any control. way different bargaining power now.
Im betting Chip ends up selling Azzinaro as the DC so they can stop Embarressing themselves getting turned down..
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Eagles are a mess, we got rid of a coach no one wants to work with, for a coach no one else wanted to interview, so he can play nicely with our reinstated GM who no one wants to work with LOL
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doug Pederson might look better than both Chip and Howie right now… Pederson/Schwartz are looking like the least dysfunctional guys connected to the eagkes… What a mess we made of This franchise… Hopefully a doug/Howie/Bradford tandem can pull us out of the gutter
Mostly from Wiki:
Flaherty then joined the Penn State coaching staff from 1982-1983 as an assistant under offensive line coach Dick Anderson. There he helped the Nittany Lions win the 1982 National Championship with a Sugar Bowl victory over Georgia.
He coached tight ends for the Washington Redskins in 2000.
Flaherty was the Giants’ offensive line coach for all 12 years of Tom Coughlin’s time on the sideline in New Jersey
(including 2 Super Bowls, no matter how miraculous).
Glad Tommy settled our discussion about what Rory was teaching in his last stint here.
Niners also fired Mangini. Davis to the Niners? Lol.
I am so excited to see our personnel in the 4-3 again that I wish the season started tomorrow. I personally love the 3-4 but we had three years to get the personnel for it (and whatever the hell our secondary scheme was) and didn’t.
Why we tried to force the 3-4 on talent that wasn’t ready was a huge blunder, but I don’t know whether it was Davis or Chip.
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As for free agency – we need OL and more than one guy – even if it’s JAGs for competition. Peters’s career looks done, we need 2 new starting guards, and we need depth at every position on the OL. AFAIK, our only set pieces are Kelce and Johnson. Kelly is a fine backup for a swing tackle. Can’t get all those pieces in the draft.
Chip kelly insisted to billy Davis that we run a 3-4…. Just another example of Chip brilliant “tailoring scheme around talent”..
Hard to believe the venom on these boards lately. Folks have been listening to NFLN too much.
Care to elaborate? I haven’t seen allot of this venom
Scroll down, then take a look at 24/7. Used to be a person could have a reasonable discussion, suggest an alternate opinion, but no more. Spewing nonsense because a player or coach failed in Philadelphia, without looking at other credentials, is ludicrous.
Well yes, everyone needs to make sure they were correct about the past regime. Everything will return to normalcy soon.
yeah the blogcops at 24/7 are serious, don’t mention chip or else that means you love him.
Yewh sndbtype goorectly also
Dynasty! (although this type of o-line haul ain’t happening for real)
Round 1 Pick 17 (ATL): Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A)
Round 2 Pick 19 (ATL): Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (B)
Round 3 Pick 14: Spencer Drango, OG/OT, Baylor (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Jerald Hawkins, OT, LSU (A)
Round 3 Pick 18 (ATL): Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 15: Zack Sanchez, CB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 5 Pick 14: Nick Vigil, ILB, Utah State (A)
Round 5 Pick 23: Sean Davis, CB/FS, Maryland (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13: Jordan Williams, WR, Ball State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State (B-)
Round 7 Pick 31: DeAndre Washington, RB, Texas Tech (A)
Not enough Ohio State guys.
Which OSU guys do you think are worth targeting?
I was kinda joking since OSU guys are popping up in like every ones top 100 and mocks before the combine.
I do like some OSU players though
Vannet the TE
Zeke Elliot
Eli Apple
Darron Lee
Joshua Perry
Those seem to be some good guys. Just weren’t jumping off of the page at me when it was time to draft.
Cardale – the next McNabb
Not really. Cardale isn’t good. He might want to entertain a position change.
Fanspeak draft (just to stop the hax trades from first pick)
13:R1P13 – QB Paxton Lynch MEMPHIS
77:R3P14 – DT Sheldon Day NOTRE DAME
79:R3P16 – G Joshua Garnett STANFORD
110:R4P15 – WR Jalin Marshall OHIO STATE
141:R5P14 – C Max Tuerk USC
152:R5P25 – TE Jake McGee FLORIDA
170:R6P13 – QB Cardale Jones OHIO STATE
201:R7P12 – DE Romeo Okwara NOTRE DAME
219:R7P30 – OT Clint Van Horn MARSHALL
I would love us to do something similar, hitting QB twice and going for interior OL early is about as perfect is i would like to draw it up.
Other than getting Lynch and Cardale Jones the F out of my face, I like it.
And what is a Hax trade?
hax (hacking is a gaming term) trades… like:
Round 1 Pick 23 (MINN): Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A)
Round 2 Pick 14 (L.A.): Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana (A-)
Round 2 Pick 17 (IND): Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (MINN): Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Artie Burns, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B+)
Round 4 Pick 15: Sebastian Tretola, OG, Arkansas (A)
Round 5 Pick 14: Roger Lewis, WR, Bowling Green (A+)
Round 5 Pick 23: Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA (A+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Braxton Miller, WR, Ohio State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: D.J. Reader, DT, Clemson (A+)
Because trading down 10 spots should get me 3 2nds lol
If people off, who are you to say no?
But I guess I’m too old to have recognized gamer term.
Carson Wentz in the 20s seems like a pipe dream to me… Consider ourselves lucky if he gets past dallas
totally agree but i was just highlighting the silliness of first-draft.com
Srsly, if you’re going to force me to scroll past a fan mock draft, don’t waste my time with those Madden trade-downs.
Giants just hired Mcgovern for their LBs coach.
Marcus Smith’s eruption of output in the last game must have sold the Giants on McGovern’s “work” as LBs coach.
One thing I haven’t seen addressed yet: If Bradford signs a big FA contract somewhere and our other FA signings/losses are a wash, what sort of compensation would we be in line to get?
Does it really matter? Without Bradford we become completely irrelevant, we would lose the best QB by far that we have had since Donovan who’s best ball is still ahead of him, and become even more irrelevant than we have been the past 5 years… That Franchise Savior isn’t going to be found in the 3rd round of this draft class…. No Bradford means trading both our 3rd round picks to try and move up for a scab like Cardel Jones, and a,disasterous 2016 season with Sanchez and jones and no matter how great a team we build, our ceiling will be the Brian Hoyer led Texans… That’s the reality of losing Sam.. Basically we might as well Fire Pederson because he will fail without a QB like every other coach
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As for your question.. Impossible to tell without knowing which players we lose and how we replace them in free agency.. Let’s say we only lose Bradford and don’t sign any Free agents, we would get a pick at the end of round 3.. Hardly an adequate consultation prize
He’s reportedly asking for $25M. At that price.. or anything close, I let him walk.
well thats a starting point for discussion…. But it will be in the $20mil ball park, with 2 years guaranteed and probably 5 years total (that bit really does not matter).
Question is he a guy worth that? considering where the team is currently… I mean you have to be thinking you can contend in the next 2-3 years with him as your QB to make that signing.
Yeah. I’m not sold on his talent or durability. I’d rather suck again than be stuck in 8-8 hell with a high priced, low reward QB.
Oh i totally agree – i want Sam on the next train out of town. He is a good QB, who has a great arm/throwing motion, and an average feel and read of the game. He Dalton’s your franchise… too good to make a change and get premium talent, not good enough to carry you in that one game in the playoffs you need to win the championship.
Bradford during the year was asked if it was true that he turned down a 18mil per year deal, and he had no idea what the reporter was talking about, sounded like he legitimately was never offered THAT much, and the way he laughed, to me it sounded like “are you nuts? I would have signed for 18 with the quickness(going into this Season when his health was a question)…..
But I try not to put much stock into ANY reports..I tend to think most are full of shit so early in the offseason, and if a report is real, typically there is a motive behind it.. I doubt bradford and his agent really know much right now, let alone media members who claim to know
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Hopefully the skins can hurry up and sigń Cousins to an extension ASAP to help set Sams value..
He gets $20mil with 2 years guaranteed in this free agency. Maybe more. This isn’t based off reports its based of market pressures and what is available and what desperate teams and coaches will pay. (Cousins will get same or more).
Sam has no reason to give any kind of home town discount.. so if we want him signed thats what you have to pay.
Having him play a year on the tag hardly works better either because in 2017 we will be in the same position but with a $25mil tag to contend with.
Most of the teams with plenty of cap room are actually kinda set at QB, I think. Houston has some room, so they might be the most likely to pay.
Teams could structure a contract to be a low cap hit the first year, of course (larger signing bonus / low salary) if they have cap relief coming in subsequent years. And they could play other move-money-forward games like changing salary to signing bonus for other players. But for many other teams who want a QB, they could be playing a lot of painful cap games to get up to a $20 million deal — not sure that many teams really have that much room. They might make it a $20 average annual value by tacking some high non-guaranteed years on the end, but the 2016 cap hit is likely to be much lower.
Stop it… Reportedly everyone is full of shit right now…
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And even if he said that, it’s the first number thrown out… ISNT negotiation 101 Start High,work your way down?
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Kirk Cousins contract will prob help set Sams price…
Rather have Cousins.
I wouldnt agree with that now… Need to see more from Kirk, hasn’t beaten any good teams…. Id probably be more comfortable giving SAM 20 right now, instead of giving it to Cousins… I know Bradfords,best is still ahead of him, I still have no idea what to make of Cousins… Although, two NFL HC claim that he is a franchise QB, both Jay Gruden and Shannahan made that statement.. Id just feel leary about giving a guy like him big money after 1 year Of playing better than expected… I need to see him build on it a little more, where as there is no doubt there is still a higher ceiling and untapped potential with SAM….
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If Cousins was our QB! Id prob want to franchise him, see what he looks like another training camp and a half a season just to really make sure before paying him to a franchise QB 5yr extension..Probably my prefered method for handling SAM too
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People talk about how expensive it is, but it’s Nothing when we are talking about the difference between having a QB and being irrelevant. It damn sure ISNT half as expensive as letting SAM get away after what we already invested in him.
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This is such a franchise altering decision that I think making IT about price is absurd, for both SAM and Cousins I think the smart move is Taging them, and paying for the chance at another offseason and half a season of Intel before having to make such a crucial decision.. To let SAM walk over money, and see him stay healthy and be some other teams drew Brees while we dick around in No Mans land without a Qb the next 5 years is a mistake im not willing to make, ESPECIALLY When we can wait a year to Pay Cox… Think the smart thing to do is Tag SAM, pay to gether more Intel for the biggest,decisipn we will have to make… and even if you give Bradford a 5 year extension today, I would still want us to Draft a Qb the next time a kid we absolutely Love and believe has franchise ability is available when we draft, whether It’s this draft, next years draft, or the year after, worst case scenario he has to learn behind Bradford for two years sounds great to me.. I think both the Eagles and Skins would be dumb to let SAM And Kirk get away, but it’s so damn important that smart money is investing in the tag so we can make a more informed decision…it’s much better than going into a crappy QB draft without a top 10 pick and no 2nd round pick… Realistically we are talking about reaching for a QB that womt be worth 13, or trading both 3rd round picks to move up for a scab like Cardell not because we love the kid, but out of sheer desperation
Problem with taging and letting them play is what happens down the road. If Bradford plays great and takes us to the playoffs you will have to exclusively tag him… which will be an insane amount ~$27mil at least. And at that point if he is interested in the $$ play that out and hit FA (3rd tag would be like $35mil).
If he plays kinda ok (like his entire career). what do you do? Tag him again in 2017? sign him to a new contract where he has more leverage from higher Tag $$ but you are even less confident in signing him to a big contract.
Only good outcome from tagging and not signing him to an extension is if he is bad and you can walk away after 1 year.
Nah,..I wouldn’t dick around with him… If he proves to be what we hope, Id give him his extension after the first half of the season… Id do the same thing If we were in the skins situation with Cousins,.. I wouldn’t pay either now. But I am about another Improved half a season away from being ready to commit…. In another year, every half way decent QB who isn’t on a rookie contract will be making 18-20…
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Im curious to see what the hell Fitzpatrik will end up costing…
Have to sign franchised tagged people to a contract before 15th July or they have to play the contract out. So you will not even get to look at him in camp before having to make that choice.
You can negotiate any time you want, just have to wait til season ends to make it official…
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The hope is that having success in Philly, believing in Dougs offense would sell SAM on staying as long as the money is right. Wait half a season, and if he is as good as we think, start the negotiation and make it known that the money will be right…
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How did the JPP situation factor into that 7/15 deadline? As in, what would happen if SAM doesn’t sigń the Tag?
JPP never signed his tag, so effectively he had no contract at all. He decided not to sign it because they could then declare him unable to undertake football related activities due to his self inflicted non football injury and made him sit out the year not having to pay a penny while retaining his rights into the year after. Giants did not want to withdraw the tag because then they would give up control and he would become a free agent.
Was a very weird situation all around.
After July 15, any contract you sign with a tagged player must be a one-year deal. It can be for more or less than the original tender, but it can only be a one-year deal.
You could drop the tag if you end up drafting a QB you like, but you also lose the compensation pick in that situation too. More likely though, you could find a team willing to give up a 2nd round pick to sign Bradford.
Thank you sir..
Say we draft a kid Like TAnahill who becomes good, but never great,.. What are we going to do, lose him when he becomes a fee agent because we don’t think he is worth 20? Soon 20 mil wil be standard difference between having a Qb and not having a QB
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Maclins pricetag was absurd, then 3 more WR signed much more expensive deals and what was an expensive price to pay, became fair value for a top second tier WR like Maclin, and we got fucked out of a quality Wr We invested a lot in
Well this comes back to never being satisfied with mediocrity. Keep drafting until you find someone that has that top10 QB feel. Can take a decade, but you are not winning a SB until you find that guy so why accept knock off alternatives. It is far easier to find a top 10 QB than it is to find a once in a decade team able to win a SB without one.
I Genuinly don’t believe that in the next 3 years we can get our hands on a QBs that gives us a better chance to win than SAM… And I don’t view this as settling on SAM, I view it as stay healthy and we will have our next Mcnabb level QB…. If we can’t get a kid who will play better then SAM the next 3 years than I don’t know what there is to discuss, 5 year deal that we can get out of after year 3, while still looking for our QB in next years draft or the year after, since I don’t really believe in this QB class. I strongly believe he will be better than Alex Smith, pair that with a good D, and we are taking about the best team we have seen this decade, in a division we don’t have to wait years to be able to win
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If we can get 3 healthy years of SAM in Dougs KC-ish Offense, with a quality defense, I like our Chances to compete for something meaningful
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If we are crazy enough to let SAM leave right now, we might as well fire Doug Pederson because we will have screwed him out of Any realistic chance of any real success,,.. QBs make coaching Regimes..
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I have a feeling Doug and Riecht are going to fight hard for SAM… if THATS the case, I hope HOWIE listens.,..the QB decision needs to be made by the coaching regime, their entire career depends on it.. If the coaches decide he isn’t worth it and think we should go another direction, I will support that… But if doug sees his Alex Smith that he can win with, then there shouldn’t be anything left to talk about.. If you can get our coach a QB he believes he can win with, then we should trust our coaches… Especially since these aren’t new college coaches. These men all understand NFL salary cap, if they Think THAT MUCH of SAM, than it should be a no BRAINER…
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If the coaches tell us that Bradford at that price isn’t worth it, I will 100% support that with no problem. But since HOWIE has NEVER successfully scouted a QB half as talented as SAM, I would be furious if the coaches feel strongly about SAM and the Front office over rules them…. Let the football Coaches, former NFL QBs make this decision and I can live with whatever they decide.. Only QB opinion that should matter is Pedersons, with Imput from Reaicht and DeFillipo… HOWIE job should be to land the QB our coach wants
I don’t think a team can take an approach like that. “keep drafting til you find a top 10 qb”. How long are you giving each qb to prove they can play? 3 years? 4 years? Any talent is too fluid. Meaning — a qb might take 5 years to “get it”. A well seasoned, can’t miss QB coming out of college – may never make it. NFL history is riddled cases against that approach. How long did it take Elway to get a ring? (he’s a top 10 guy, but took him forever to win). Will Luck get a ring? How many rings does P. Manning have? Eli? Hostetiler(I can’t spell his name). Kelly? (was that the Buf qb who went to 4 SB’s). Was there a back up in Wash that won a SB?(bad memory on my part)…..my point is – even finding a top 10 QB doesn’t guarantee anything. I prefer the Giants/Seattle/old Wash approach. QB to manage, great defense, solid run game.
No way. Cousins had some of the best pass blocking in the league. He wouldn’t survive behind the philly ol
No one would.
There’s a report that said he asked for $25m at beginning of season — that’s not even in the ballpark anymore. They have to see what Cousin’s and Fitz’s numbers look like because he’ll slot below that and if not tag [and trade]. People are going all crazy but eagles have control.
“Asking.”
Pederson’s success or failure can be boiled down to if he does or does not find a QB that seems to be growing into a top ten QB. If Pederson does not find one, then he is likely fired in 3 or 4 years. He wont be fired for being a jerk or because he cant put a good staff together.
So would make sense for Pederson’s own self-preservation to sign Bradford and draft a QB high to increase the odds of finding a top ten QB. Maybe Bradford grows into one in next two years, or if after one year Bradford fails, the young QB can go into his second year in competition with another high drafted QB in the 2017 draft. Screw convention, and rational football sense, and have 5 QBs who compete in camp and throughout season, get rid of failures and add other young ones, until one with potential is found.
Starting to question the conventional, cautious approach to finding a QB – like drafting a Smith level prospect at DE in first round, because Foles just had one good year. (on the other hand, cant say the Browns have had success with drafted a lot of QBs high – which is a Browns issue but also shows how hard finding a QB is)
Do agree you should keep shooting until you find the answer, draft early and often until you find your guy.
Guess where i am different is am 95% sure that Bradford is never going to be that guy so i don’t want to waste resources on him that could help a young QB get better (OL, WR and a better defense)
I feel 99% sure that anyone the eagles will have a chance to draft this year is never going to be the guy, and anyone they do draft next year is the same. Those are just simply the odds. Bradford has more talent than anyone behind door 2 or 3, which is no guarantee, but it does increase the chances of him working out.
1) they have a better than 1% chance on any QB they draft in the first round being a franchise type. The idea they have to be consensus no.1 picks is daft. Can find good QB’s in the mid 1st round.
2) Bradford has more Arm talent. That is like 25% of what matters to be a great QB. You need to have a feel for the game, ability to read what is going to happen before it does, and Bradford has never shown it at any level. You need to be a player who thrives under pressure – something Bradford has never proven so far. You need the ability to manage risk – that involves taking risks when the game demands its, and protecting the ball at others. Bradford struggles to take risks.
I totally agree Bradford has arm talent, its sexy how good a ball he throws. But he has nothing else that is even good about his game.
Sorry, but there’s more to Bradford than what you’re saying. His blitz pickup, for example, it’s actually quite good. Check the stats . That falls under”feel of the game”for me.
I think you are wrong about Sams ability to pass under pressure. Read an article a few days ago about completion percentages while being pressures, think Sam had the 2nd best rating in the league. So, he has arm talent and he can stand tall in the pocket and deliver under pressure. Can he read defenses and go through progressions? Well, this is more murky. Seeing him play next to Sanchez makes him look like a brain child of Peyton Manning and Kasparov, and clearly he has the ability to throw receivers open, especially down the seam as we have seen with some really nice passes to Ertz this season. But given that he played in Chips system and was never allowed to audible I think we still dont really know just how adept he is at reading defenses. For what its worth, everyone from his youth praises his intelligence. I think we need to find this out about him before we let him go. Meaning that we either sign him or tag him this off season. Without Sam we become the Browns. Have to try and see if it works out.
Never said they have to be consensus #1 – that’s your hang-up. I said that they are more busts than hits in the first round, and that’s truth. And guess what- you’re wasting a valuable asset that could play well in front of any QB on high risk pick of a QB. Can does not equal will. And the odds are against you. Which is also true. What is daft is this thought that you absolutely need a top 5 QB to ever win a super bowl, and just throwing the baby out with the bath water because you ‘only’ have a good QB, not a great one.
‘Completely irrelevant’??? Ummm, we’re not even relevant with him as our starting QB now. Through 6 NFL seasons his record as a starting QB is 25-37. Never started and finished for a winning team. Career rating in the era of inflated QB numbers is just 81.
I know Sam’s been a victim of some crappy circumstances, but c’mon. He’s not an elite QB. This team can still win without him – provided the defense steps it up and the next QB does a better job of protecting the football.
I like Bradford as much as any QB we’ve had since McNabb, but he frightens me…There’s still the lingering durability concerns. There is still the fact that he’s entering his 7th season in the NFL without a single playoff performance. It’s just hard for me to rationalize paying a guy like Bradford $20+ a season.
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A year ago weren’t you Nick Fole’s biggest advocate on here? Now you are Sam’s biggest cheerleader on this board. I’m just curious how you could become so sold on Bradford so quickly.
Don’t get me wrong, Bradford showed a lot of promise. But that’s what he’s done his whole career; show promise, but ultimately not deliver where it really counts (standings).
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G; what we all need to accept is that Pederson / Howie might see 2016 as the year to become super irrelivant, start with a new QB rookie / vet combo (McNabb / Pederson begets Wentz / Daniel) and restock the shelf again in 2017 with some more high draft picks coming off of a 5-11 or 6-10 season.
Or they might think a new QB / rookie QB combo can game manage well enough while we run our money’s worth out of Murray and play better D while trying to win the division at 9-7.
In either case, I’d prefer to keep Bradford on a short term deal, trade down in the first to pick up a second, still get a QB early, and make a run at the playoffs with Bradford for the next year (or two) until our rookie is ready to take over full time.
It is super complicated. To start off with you need to loose more players than you sign in FA before May 12th. Then they match up salary’s signed against salary’s lost. then the rank the players lost to free agency, have a calculator that combines contract with player achievement and award the picks.
IF Bradford does not have a contract ‘match up’ with him, and they sign less than they loose before May 12th. Then we will get a 3rd round comp pick in 2017 almost certainly. If not they we will get nothing.
What Fufina said. It is very complicated. We’re likely to add a few fringe guys no matter what, so we’d certainly get some type of pick in the 2017 draft IF Bradford was to sign in the $18 mil / year for 5 year range with another team……………but the all time most you’d get for a comp pick is a pick at the end of the 3rd round.
I’d like a 2016 2 and a conditional 2017 2nd through 4th (based on Bradford’s snaps) for Bradford if we go the tag and trade route.
Has Chip hired a DC yet? I saw they fired Mangini.
My money is Azzinaro
not yet, Martindale and Tarver are the rumors. Azz DL buzz
Can someone explain why Cox is not the first player we want to extend? No offense to Johnson, Ertz and Curry, but Cox is the difference maker on this team.
I’m sure he is the first, but he’s also going to be the most expensive…by far, so I’d imagine it will take time.
I hope Cox is happy with the going rate for a top five dl guy, like 100 million. The going rate, Suh money, seems to be pretty clear cut, as long as he does not want to blow that out of the water. And, of course, it is hard to underestimate the importance of Cox for the new Pederson era.
http://overthecap.com/player/marcell-dareus/1830/
Here is the contract I’d use for Cox.
Cox isn’t of Suh’s status as a total free agent and isn’t JJ Watt period.
This is a top 3 player at his position level deal.
1 – Biggest deal to do, so going to have to be structured in the best way possible.
2- His number for this year on the 5th year option is lower than what his cap hit might be if you extent him early.
3 – His long term deal (The 6 / $95 mil range that Dareus did with Buffalo) is more expensive than tagging him in 2017 would be.
So no rush.
Id guess that he gets his extensipn right before the start of next season
Fitzpatrick had a career year in 2015, passing for 3,905 yards with a 31:15 TD/INT ratio. The Star-Ledger expects him to land a three-year deal in the $7 million AAV range.
That is because the “book” on Fitzy as a long term starter has closed. Bradford still tempts people because of his young-ish age and status as a former #1 overall pick.
Alex Smith got 4 years / $68 million under similar circumstances.
Fitz is also notorious for having good years and then immediately following it with a terrible season.
smith had also gone 19=4 before the trade. and damn didnt know a smith was making crazy $.
Crazy $ is the going rate for a starter who you have to commit to long term.
Who is pumped up to do some shoveling? And some shoveling? And some shoveling?
And then some shoveling tomorrow?
fuck snow
Around here and upset?
Or living somewhere where it doesn’t snow?
Live in Philly and mad as fuck right now.
That’ll happen. But it isn’t going to as bad (in total) as the last two winters, so I’ll deal.
If you guys never hear from me again it’s either because I’ve a.)had a heart attack; b.)in jail for murdering a dumb-ass snowplow driver; or c. said Screw it, moved to Miami and become a Dolphins fan.
As an aside, you know who I fricking hate. All these dumb-ass old people, women, and children who just LOVE the snow. Ooh, it’s so pretty! Let’s go sledding! The only idiots who like the snow are the people who don’t have to be out in white-out condition, 50+ mph wind with lightning thrown in shoveling it.
I like snow, but that’s because where I live in England only gets about 3 snowy days per year. The rest of the time it’s cold wind and hard rain.
in cali you drive to the snow then drive back to civilization
We jut hit the “dry spot” on the storm and I have hopes that’ll keep the overall total down by a few hours of snow we’re not going to get now!
But I still have 4 shovel sessions scheduled.
1 down……….3 left!
Lol yeah I always want to punch people who love snow… Snow is utterly worthless unless I’m in Madonna di Campiglio or Cortina skiing the dolemite Alpes
Just got one shovel session over with but the good thing about having a son who is now old enough for me to force him into shoveling on his own is a great feeling.
No such luxury here, but my neighborhood is small enough that I didn’t have a ton of sidewalk to do. Cars weren’t fun though.
But done until 11:30. Then a re-touch.
No one has it worse then me…. My driveway is almost the length of an entire city block. I won’t even try to get any shoveling done
I lost my gloves if you don’t hear from me for a long time then I might have lost all of my fingers to frostbite or I’m learning to type with my toes like daveh does.
In between shoveling mock draft. The Rams just had to have Paxton Lynch and lucky for them, they had an extra 2nd rounder (I wonder where that came from) to trade to move up.
Round 1 Pick 15 (L.A.): Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A)
Round 2 Pick 14 (L.A.): Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 14: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Karl Joseph, SS, West Virginia (A-)
Round 4 Pick 15: Willie Beavers, OT, Western Michigan (B+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Sheldon Day, DT, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 5 Pick 23: Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13: T.J. Green, FS, Clemson (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Arjen Colquhoun, CB, Michigan State (A)
I enjoy looking at these mock draft results, but I don’t think think there is a chance in hell Goff/Lynch/Wentz last to pick 13 unless one or more of them have a horrible pre-draft showing
If Sam leaves and signs with another team (ahem Texans), I just don’t see how the Eagles could afford to sit at 13 or trade back with no QB on the roster. I think it is most likely a forgone conclusion that the Browns and Cowboys will take QBs with picks #2 and #4. I believe the Saints could take a QB at #12 with Brees being 37 years old. The Rams could even trade up to get in front of us.
I can tell you this, I am definitely uneasy about the draft without Sam at least under contract for 1 year.
Browns will be “solving” there QB issue with RG3 and drafting another position.
Dallas won’t take one that early due to what they believe they’ve got in Romo.
Saints, by virtue of keeping the Payton / Brees gang together, will draft another position bedsides QB for short term help.
Rams trade up is a legit worry.
RGIII may go to Dallas, if anywhere. I don’t see Hugh Jackson passing on a QB to groom.
Of course Hue won’t…
But it isn’t Hue’s choice. Haslem calls the shots.
It’s a pipe dream that Cleveland will not pick a QB at #2.
Johnny Football is going to Dallas too
Browns are drafting a QB? No way they land Hue without letting him draft his QB
What does “letting” Hue do anything have to do with Haslem calling all of the shots there?
Dallas is absolutely in play to draft a QB, given the recent history of Romo. Wentz sounds perfect for them – he can sit on the bench for a year or two ala Rodgers (if Romo stays healthy, which is obviously a big if, but then they’ll need a QB even more). They don’t need any 1st round talent on O. They could use a pass rusher on D, but their D has been playing above their level anyway. If I’m the ‘Boys, I’m drafting Wentz if the other 2 are gone already.
After Dallas proved that losing one player meant their entire season went down the toilet, and that one player is an old QB with a history of back, broken collar bones and all types of injuries, they have to be bat shit crazy if they pass on a chance to find a successor with them fortunate enough to have such a high pick, especially when they can actually do it the right way and let the kid learn behind Romo for as long as he can stay healthy, while still giving the kid a little Experiemce each year since Romo probably never will play 16 games again..
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They have to be completely delusional if they pass on a Qb… Especially since this doesn’t seem like one of Those drafts with a Derreck Carr available at the beginning of round 2..
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pay Bradford now, And in a year or two good chance he is willing to restructure if we need to in order to keep a key player we need to be competitive.. Look at Flacco. A few years he was demanding a shit load of money, and now he is already restructuring because he wants to play for a team that can compete.. And Bradford is the last QB that will take this game for Granted…. If we,have to give money to players, A QB and DT to build around like Cox and SAM seems like a good start to me…
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We have a lot of money that can come Off the books the next few years
Draft Tek (a site I like) has us doing the following:
1: Goff
3: Garnett (G – Stanford)
3: Theus (T- Georgia)
4: Shell (T – South Carolina)
5: Lomax (FS – Iowa)
5: Spruce (WR – Colorado)
6: Taylor (RB – Florida)
7 Mouhon (DE – Cincy)
7: Frost (ILB – Auburn)
Outside of Theus, who I don’t like at tackle due to slow footness, I’d love a draft like that.
Yeah switch out Theus with whichever DT has slid down to the 3rd because the draft is so stupidly deep at that position.
I’m with that logic. I don’t take Theus at all in any of the simulators.
I think Murphy or Clark are better T’s at that spot if available.
Noted and thank you.
Texans hike ticket prices by nearly six percent — owners really don’t care, gas prices in the toilet people in houston probably about to get laid off. texans get mollywhopped in the playoffs = higher ticket prices.
You’d have to look at their track record. Teams often keep the ticket prices the same for several years and then jack them up significantly one year.
What about Matt Moore instead of Chase Daniel? He has more experience.
The equivalent of being stabbed in the neck instead of being shot in the neck..
The Daniel’s connection is strictly due to the fact that he is already familiar with the system. As for Moore you are vastly under rating him. He can come in and would be an instant upgrade over Sanchez.
Win 5 games instead of 4…
Possibly this is the year to do it. Pederson has 2ish seasons to not have the pressure of winning a lot. If they want to go the rookie QB route with a vet starting, it is easier to do now.
Further delay the development of your highly drafted WRs by at least a year if you name Daniels, Moore or Sanchez as starter. You might as well tell them that blocking will be their primary responsibility.
My problem is, I don’t believe 50 percent of the people who say they want Bradford gone, will actually be willing to deal with the Ramifications of what that means next year.
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Easy to say now that we can just go with garbage chase Daniels or sanchez for a year and draft a QB out desperation, but I think people say that a little too casually now… it’s NOT EASY to spend an entire training camp and an entire season with a Mark Sanchez type of QB, ESPECIALLY in this CITY. That’s a LONG time to put up with Clevland brown level of football hell, and it can get even uglier if the kid they draft, ends up being Geno Smith or even Tannahill… Actually it’s even worse getting an average guy like Tannahill because 5 years from now, we will have to either overpay to keep him, or lose him to another team with No QB willing to overpay
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This city Wasnt willmg to deal with one bad season with a coach THEY LOVED!! Lol now people are acting so willing to spend SEASONS with backüp level QB’s struggling to win 6 games with the ceiling of the Brian Hoyer Texans if we are lucky? I find it very very hard to believe that half the people who want to lose Braford, will be willing to endure and Support what Losing SAM REALLY MEANS going forward..
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Just because you draft a QB in the first 3 rounds, it DOES NOT GUARENTEE solving this crucial problem. And NOT EVERY DRAFT has 3 rounds worth of Franchise QBs…
I don’t believe in drafting QBs just to draft a QB… Id rather not turn into the Cleveland Browns… There isn’t a QB in this draft that I would love to have with a top 10 pick, And there damn sure ISNT a QB I like after round 1
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You wanna be bad next year? Fine, I can see value in that, but I still wouldn’t want to draft any of the Qbs that will be available in round 2 or 3, I damn sure don’t want to package both 3rd for someone like Cardell Jones in round 2…
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Settling for QBs in the draft because of desperation is rock bottom level of Dysfunction … I can see,a case for being Bad next year, doesn’t mean I want to waste,draft picks on QBs I dont believe in…. I believe in being Discaplined especially with the QB position. And only Draft a QB you absolutely love and Have to have,,, for me, we won’t find that guy THISE year..
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But really I think all these other issues are bullshit window dressing and the debate is much simpler than we are making it out to be.. Reality is, if you were really impressed by how Bradford played the position, you don’t want to lose him… If you think he was ok but didn’t see anything special, than you DONT want to keep him… No reason to bullshit and act like its about to money or anything else.. Because when talking about the most important positions in sport, if you REALLY Believe that this is the guy that can lead our franchise to success, money SHOULDNT even come into
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You ONLY keep Bradford if you completely believe in the guy…. I don’t believe we can look at the QB position as “I like Braford at 13mil, but I don’t like him at 20mil”… You can play that game with other positins, but NOT THE QB… You either believe in the guy, or you don’t…. If our coaches think THATS the guy they want to bet their career on, then do what it takes to give him to our coaches.
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If Bradford ISNT our QB next year, it BETTERI ONLY be because the coaches think we should pass on him… If we can get our Coaches the QB they are totally sold on, then we would be foolish not to.,
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I will live with ANY result, as long as the coaches are the ones making the decision on the QB… I will trust the personnel department with Tackles, corners, WRs, RBs…. But the ONLY OPPINOINS that should matter when it comes to the QB are Dougie, Reicht, and DeFillippo.. Dougs entire coaching career will be determined by the QB decision… At the time, Unknown Andy Reid was the man that was allowed to make the decision to draft McNabb, not the front office. Since chip came, he made every single decision when it came to our QBs no matter how much power he had at the time, it Failed, but That was the correct way to operate.. Now They handed the franchise over to Doug P, and the QB decision should be made by him, and no one else.. If our GM can get the QB our HC wants to bet his career on, there should be nothing else to discuss other than how we will go about getting our coach his QB
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This ismt some new college coaching staff, these are plays and coaches who been in the NFL for DECADES, so you can bet they understamd salary cap Rammifications, and if they believe,SAM is worth the Tag or the money it takes to extend him, then SAM needs to be our QB… If they like SAM, but don’t Love him to hitch their wagon to him at a major chunk of the salary cap, then SAM SHOULDNT be our QB
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But personally I think the guy showed a level of QB play, better than anything I imagined, and i was blown away by it so soon after a two year hiatus, improving each week while the team around him was on a steady nose dive,.. I Had no idea he was that good in the pocket, I had no idea he was so damn accurate rolling out and throwing on the run, I had no idea he was as tôugh physically and mentally as he showed to be this yeàr willing To take some big hits To make a play and deliver a good ball. I had no idea he could naturally grow into a leader so quickily… And Id be willing to bet on SAM, that what we saw this yeàr was just scratching the surface on the QB he will be the next 3 years, ESPECIALLY when the OL improves, he gets to play behind an Improved Run game, Amd his pass catchers improve.
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I think with Ease SAM will surpass the level of play KC gets out of Alex, so I think we have to be crazy to let the best passer I can remeber playing QB for the Eagles, I knew he was talemted Accurate passer, but I had no idea he was so damn good in so many other important areas…
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I am not willing to bet that we can get a QB who will be even as good as SAM will the next 3 years, let alone better than SAM. And if that’s the case, then I don’t see what there is to debate…. But I will support whatever the coaches decide to do with the QB position, but id be furious if the coaches believe in SAM but HOWIE over rules them
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But if we are going to lose SAM, this Matt Moore, Chase Daniels talk is nonsense. Mark Sanchez is no better or worse than any other back up we can get as a “BRIDGE QB” so I would find it pretty Ridiculuos to split Hairs, go thru the trouble of cutting Sanchez, so that we can bid on a marginally better if that QB who we hope will only play a year for us,,,
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I think the realistic choices are Sigń Bradford(or tag whatever) or go into next year with Sandhez and some rookie like Cardell we we had to trade both 3rd round picks to get (or trade all the way out of round 1 or to the end of round 1 and draft some shitty over rated QB prospect out of desperation, and then draft another QBA again next year, turning our beloved Eagles into the Cleveland Browns..
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For me, I’d rather keep Bradford instead of every players be this roster with the exception of Cox, I love a lot of Eagles, but I think we can find a solid replacement much faster and easier than being able to find a QB as good as what I believe SAM will be if the injuries are behind him… Lane, Kelce, Curry, Hicks, Jordan, Id bet it’s much easier to replace them then it will be to get our hands on a QB as Takent a SAM, let alone one that’s an upgrade to SAM… And we are talking about a position too crucial to dick around with over money.. Especially when I think two years from now, most teams without a QB on a rookie QB Will be paying BIg MONEY for Qbs in the #12-22’rankings…
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I don’t think this decision can be made over money…. You either believe that SAM is the GUY, or you Don’t,.. If we don’t, then there is nothing to talk about, Move on… If we do believe SAM can take us where we want to go, then use our leverage to keep him in philly one way or another..
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I just hope that whatever they decide to do with the QB, that decision better be made by our HC not the personnel department
I’m not sure how to respond.
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Johnson was a 1st rd pick, club should have the ability to sign him for an extra year after this. Brilliant CBA move by the owners.
Have the advantage now to sign him to a contract fitting of a RT who may be a LT in the future. If you wait till next year and he slides over to LT he is adding $2mil+ to his contract demands long term.
Think it makes a lot of sense to lock up Lane early.
Think it makes sense to get back to the days when we locked up our young talent a year earlier than we need to. usually we have been able to save a few dollars by offering young players financial security a year earlier than we have to. Such a physical game where teams lose a player to injury in almost each game, if it were me, I’d Probably be willing to Sacrafice a few dollars to get some security right away, instead of having the concern of getting injured and not being able to cash n, in the back of my mind for another season..
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If the game was basketball or baseball, I would disagree, but there is just too much chance for injury in football that I think it’s worth while to give up a few,dollars to make it to your second contract a year early… Any play or Practice rep, a young player risks becoming the next Kiko, rookie of the year one moment, and then next moment he is stuck wondering if he will ever get his pre injury athleticism back to make it to his second contract which is the real financial security pay day…
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Think it’s beneficial to both the team and young players to get our young talent extended ahead of time
I got the Browns taking Goff, Cowboys taking Wentz, Rams trading ahead of us for Lynch….
I honestly think the cowturds may go Jalen ramsey.
I’ll kill you… Love that kid lol.,.,. Jk
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He would be a great addition for them, but Romo is up there in age, and they just watched the team go down the toilet because they couldn’t overcome an injury to one player… While it would suck to watch them draft my dude Ramsey, it’s probably better for us if they don’t draft a QB! Because I doubt Romo ever,plays 16 game season again…. They have to be insane to have a shot at a top QB to groom under romo and pass up that opportunity… Hopefully they are stupid enough not to draft a QB, I don’t care who they,draft, an injury to romo makes them worthless. Hopefully they are crazy enough to not draft a QB
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If Dallas DOESNT take Ramsey, I assume GuS Bradfley scoops him right up
With the history of the cowboys I can definitely see them going your boy Ramsay in the 1st and Stick Derrick Henry in the second and totally bypassing a QB on the thinking that Manziel or RG3 can buy them anther year or 2 with Romo.
Romo’s back and collarbone can’t last another year or two.
I can’t disagree. As much as I will hate to see Ramsey wearing the cowboy Star, it’s better for us. Since Romo will probably never again play 16 games, I think they have to be crazy to pass on a chance to land his successor when they are lucky enough to have such a high pick. Passing on drafting a franchise QB could end up costing them the division for the next couple of years depending on if Romo’s inevitable injuries happen at the wrong time of the season. They have been operating without Romo’s eventual replacement for far too long. hopefully they continue to be delusional and think Romo is super man who will play forever..
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Curious to see WTF the niners do at QB. Chip refused to talk about KAp at the press confrences yet he brung Blaine Gabbert like 5 times. Will Chip want the niners to draft one of these QBs? Or will he want to pass on them like he was correct to do in 2013 with Geno smith and EJ Maniel?
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If the Eagles ARENT in the playoffs, the best we can hope for is the 4 best teams battling in the Confrence championship which we are getting this year… Hopefully snow DOESNT play too big of a role in deciding which teams earn a trip to the SB…
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Did anyone watch NFL network re-broadcast Super Bowl 1 last night? It was great… Last week they aired the game but butchered the broadcast with in studio commentary every 5 minutes throughout the game. Thankfully NFLNETWORK fixed it and aired the game in its entirety without the commentary from the studio donkeys..
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amazing work, much appreciated that they were able to pull this off…for those that haven’t heard the story, the first SB was “the lost Game” because back then channels that broadcast the game recorded it on video cassett and eventually the morons taped over the video from Super Bowl one, so the original broadcast DIDNT exist… Wel NFL Films dug up all the individual clips they had from that game, and put them in the correct order, re-piecing the entire game like a Jig saw puzzle… Im sure a ton of work went into piecing the game back together so us younger fans could see it…. Appreciate the hard work of NFL films, it would be a travesty to not have the first SB on video..
Everyone staying safe out there?
Rroafs highways & dubways and buses shutting down at 2:30 herebin nyc
Unfortunately, im so stranded in my house that I couldn’t find danger if I wanted to
The most accidents happen at home.
My Dog already bit the crap out of my elbow on Wednesday, I should be safe from Karma for a few days at least
I went out for a tour in the Jeep after clearing the driveway, it is bad out there. Helped get two people back on the road before retreating to safety.
By the way, D3, the snowblower lives in the barn and my older son was wearing his coonskin cap to play in the snow. I thought those tidbits would work for you.
Was checking out some video of Nkemdiche. How the hell is that guy listed at almost 300lbs? He looks smaller than Trent Cole. Dude must have the density of a dying star.
I hear you, I started to check him out and the Alabama DTs, and while I’m a diehard fan of Defense, And with Schwartz We can never have enough DL beasts to get after teams (especially since he doesn’t love to Blitz), but with so many important needs and NO second round pick, I kind of feel like a glutton to draft another DT at 13… Id prefer trading back rather than pulling the trigger on a DT at 13.. Not only is our DL a strength already, but I think so many of our guys will be even better next year than they were under chip… Its no Secret Cox is going to explode, which is friggin FREIGHTENING considering how amazing he is already. curry is going to contribute two or three notches more than we are used to. BG is going to be a little better. And do not sleep on Schwartzy removing the Shackles and jail Breaking Maaaaaaaarcuuuus Daaaaaaaarling out of Chips dog house
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I also think many people expect Barwin and Logan to not be as good in the new scheme but I beg to differ. People overlook the fact that Barwin lined up as a 4-3 DE like 400 times the past 3 years while he was becoming a fan favorite. Actually letting Him rush from a Wide 9 on 3rd down could help him, because it will put Tacles on an Island and give a crafty veteran like BARWIN more space to use his spin moves and chain together pass rush moves to get to the QB.
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If we invest the 13th pick in a DT, doesmt he eventually have to start over Logan? Why would we want to do that? Logan is so much more than just a traditional 3-4 NT. I can see him being an even better version of Hollis Thomas in a 4-3, that can do the dirty work to unleash Cox and the DE’s, where as last year Cox and Logan were doing a lot of the dirty work and other players would benefit with Sacks.. logan is Powerful, agile, and can take on a double team. We need that Player if we plan on completely Unleashing Cox and have him shoot gaps all game
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Now, if The GM and coaches think that we can keep Cox, Logan AND a NT drafted at 13th Longterm, past their rookie contracts, then Adding another Quality DT certainly couldn’t hurt..
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Not sure tho which I would prefer at #13
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But if we are going to build around Bradford which is my hope, Id prefer grabbing a Tackle/G or trading back And then address the OL… We should be able to get a nice DT addition in round 3.. With San at QB, we NEED young top Talent that can step in day 1 for us… Especially if we sit out of free agency like I hope we do
Are you looking at Robert (the stud) or Denzel (the older brother who is LB/S?
Because this dude doesn’t look smaller than TC
http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/20/c7/robert-nkemdiche-091515-olemiss-ftrjpg_1mp6dohob642x1uk7qhmk8z6is.jpg?t=-762689249
Nope, I was looking at the same Robert as you. https://youtu.be/MoNwmtrGACw
And, I still think he looks a lot smaller than 300 pounds.
Hell, Fletcher Cox is listed at the same weight. And, Fletcher looks twice his size. And, while he looks bigger in the photo you shared, if you think that looks like a typical 300 pound DT, then I guess we just disagree. Dude doesn’t have an ounce of fat on him. Looks skinny, like he’s got six pack abs.
Remember he’s 2 inches taller than Cox. And Cox is currently probably 315ish.
This is what Cox looked like in College.
http://www.eaglesgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/FletcherCox.jpg
2pm future SIXER Brandon INGRAM will be putting on a Gandady Golvekin type of “Big Drama Show” against NC state on CBS
Anyone know what Channel Duke is on? They are supposed to be on CBS right now but CBS has weather emergency news on, I thought the game was canceled but it’s halftime, CBS took it off the air…
Think Lurie is being łet off the hook a little too easy. For Starters, allowing a coach to gut your team, AND trade a way a 2nd round pick, while allowing him to make so many significant changes across the board is so damn Dysfunctional if you werent going to give that coach more than a season to gel all those new parts. I don’t mind chip being gone, but it’s Pretty poor leadership to let a coach change half the roster last offseason, trade future picks, and bring in a QB who hasn’t played in two years because it’s obvious to Anyone with half a brain that it would take at least a season before all those changes could Gel and really pay off for us…. The Giants added 27 new players two years ago, have been sucking for years but at least they understood that if they were going to make all those changes, they had to wait at least two seasons to really judge it
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Did chip all Of the sudden become an insufferable tyrant asshole this year after you just made him happy last offseason and gave him absolute control over one of the most valuable franchises in America? I have a hard time believing there were no signs of any of this before this season. LURIE went from loving Chip to not tolerating him enough to let him coach the last week? Sounds crazy to me. Actually sounds like an owner showed weakness and allowed a coach to strong arm him while having to overlook red flags that had to be apparent behind the scenes prior to this year
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The Good news, is as bad as this years product was, it’s highly unlikely that we have already seen the ceiling of this new shaped Eagles Roster. Even the bradford detractors would admit that SAM was still improving and his best is yet to come. I think that will also stand for a lot of talented players on this roster, especially when this next staff will focus on how to get the best out of guys instead of how to fit guys in a specifc offense. Everyone knows we haven’t seen Murray used properly. I think Andy Reid used Jamal Chaarles and Weatbrook significantky better in the passing game than Chip ever did for sproles. AGHOLAR has a lot of Talent we haven’t tapped into yet. The coaching should help a lot of these guys… Make matters worse, while a new team was trying to Gel. We had some glaring holes that make it hard to consistently overcome. Plug a few key holes and it should make a huge diffence on the entire unit
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There was so much off about last year, that I don’t think it’s possible to have seen the best of what this new core can be…. Remember how Chip came in and won with Andys players in 2013? I won’t qnd at all surprised if Dougie wins with Chips players this yeàr… Hopefully Dougie chooses to build on his initial success instead of tearing it down like chip did because he wanted HIS GUYS…
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Some very good points. We aren’t going to know the what the when and the where, but my theory is that when Chip called out Lurie’s FO for being something akin to a joke, Lurie was cornered. He raved about this innovative football junkie, and he could not adequately explain just summarily firing him without offering a reason. Two 10-6 seasons with a spotty roster which exhibited some flashes of brilliance – people would be cursing Lurie out on the Sports pages on ESPN and at the Linc. So a week after publicly doubling down on HR as his GM (“Was that really a question?”), he acts like nobody heard him and more or less acquiesces to Kelly’s demand. I rather think that Jeff Lurie HATES having his hand forced. So the ether at NCC may have changed at that very moment. If Kelly was on an island in the FO, it may explain a helluva lot about the product we all saw on the field.