Schwartz in Town
Posted: January 18th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 875 Comments »Jim Schwartz is the man I want to be the Eagles new defensive coordinator. For a couple of days it seemed like that might be a long shot, but things have changed and he is now in Philly to interview for the position. That’s great news.
Doug Pederson wanted Steve Spagnuolo for the job. He is still under contract to the Giants and they denied the Eagles permission to talk to him. My reaction: thank you Giants.
Spags learned under Jim Johnson. He then ran the Giants defense when they won a Super Bowl. That’s the good stuff. Go read Jimmy Bama’s piece for the bad stuff (pretty much everything since 2008). When Spags had a dominant D-line, he ran a good defense. In every other instance, the results were not good. There are ways to argue for Spags, but they involve putting a positive slant on multiple situations.
Back to Schwartz. This isn’t a done deal. There are some reports that make it seem like a done deal.
#BREAKING Action News has learned Jim Schwartz has arrived in Philly. Expected to be named Defensive Coordinator pic.twitter.com/X87Tzt7gh2
— Jamie Apody (@JamieApody) January 18, 2016
No offense to Jamie Apody, but it would help if this was a report coming from someone with a strong track record of breaking stories like Les Bowen, Jeff McLane or Reuben Frank. I certainly hope Jamie is right.
Schwartz didn’t work for a team in 2015. He was hoping to get a head coaching job this year or to possibly become the DC of the Titans again. His family lives in Nashville and he’d love to get back there. Tennessee has a DC under contract in Ray Horton, but he is now being allowed to talk to the Browns about a job. He is reportedly upset because the Titans didn’t give him the HC job. If they let him leave, you wonder if Schwartz will try one last time to talk to the Titans.
The fact Schwartz is in Philly to interview tells you he is open to taking the job and wants to find out more about the situation. Jeff Lurie will pay big money to assistants so that side of things could help sway Schwartz. He would also likely have autonomy over the defense. Doug Pederson would run the offense and oversee the team, but Schwartz would be left alone to do things his way. Pederson saw Andy Reid treat Jim Johnson that way and it worked great for everyone.
Some people are worried about the Wide-9. Don’t worry about that. I’ll write plenty about it if/when Schwartz officially gets the job. The key thing you need to realize is that Schwartz is a veteran DC who has run Top 5 units for multiple teams.
Doug Farrar of SI wrote a piece on the Bills defense from December of 2014. They had just dominated Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. And that defense finished 11th in the league against the run so it isn’t like they were weak there. Overally they finished 4th in yards and points. Think how fun it would be for the Eagles to have a defense that could finish Top 10 in points and/or yards.
Schwartz would not magically come to Philly and make the defense great. He would still need more talent. He would have a good DL to work with, which is the key to success with the 4-3.
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Doug Pederson was officially hired today. There will be a press conference on Tuesday at 2pm.
This PE.com story has a cool video in it that breaks down Pederson’s career as a player and coach. I have to admit enjoying some of those old Eagles highlights. If they ever do a video like this for Tim Hauck, I might have to seek medical attention. That might be too much fun.
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Get er done Jeffrey
Don’t let him leave. As in, physically lock him in Howie’s basement and deny him food and water until he signs on the dotted line.
Do it Misery style…
Or even, “It puts the lotion in the bucket”.
Get Fletcher and Bennie and Vinny and Connor and Jordan and Malcolm in there…
Can he lie on Howie’s bed of nails?
I’m going to repost this because it is about all of you…
I feel pretty good about all the info on the hiring on coaching front.
Nothing negative like a lot of talk I have read in the last couple weeks
on other sites. I know everyone won’t be happy with everything. This
is still the only place online that has intelligent posters offering and
discussing their disagreements in a practical manner. I know there are
strong feelings one way or another, however, igglesblitz, time and time
again, regains the highest respect in my book by all the posters who
comment here.
I was also reading quite a bit of negativity about Pederson. Specifically, “He can’t do this. He can’t do that.” Sometimes I get so damn sick of people always preaching about what others CAN’T do. The case with Pederson is more of “We don’t know what he CAN do,” not what he can’t. The real fact is, we just don’t know but I remain optimistic.
I still stand by the fact that he has been in the building and around the team for a long time. Lurie and Howie have plenty of experience with him and if they believe that he has the skills needed to be a head coach then he probably has those skills.
I hear ya’. Bleeding Green Nation in particular used to be a place for intelligent Eagles talk but of late has descended to a NJ.com/WIP level of negativity and hot takeism.
Pederson wasn’t on anybody else’s radar, but neither was Andy Reid in 1999, and he turned out to be a fantastic hire. Chris Palmer (the Adam Gase/Hue Jackson of that coaching class) went 5-27 in his first two seasons, was fired, and never got another HC gig. Lurie’s track record in hiring coaches is very good and has earned him the benefit of the doubt IMO.
That is who I was thinking of when typing. I went to listen to one of the podcasts and had to turn it off.
Been a weak site generally since Brandon Lee Gowton took over.
I really am an the kick that Rhodes’ defensive drafts made Andy’s ultra-successful period possible. He hit on a lot of studs!
thing about andy was (a) got a qb early, (b) andy was generally good at developing qbs and (c) had jj coaching the defense.
after jj left things got worse and they were over once mcnabb’s career was over.
not sure if pederson is going to have any of those 3 things working for him.
I feel the same way. Posters on this site disagree, but there are no haters here. Must of us agree that Howie should go and the front office has been dysfunctional. But the hate posts against Roseman and Lurie turn my stomach. So do the comments about the stupidity of the beat writers.why read someone if you think he is stupid. This is the site for intelligent discussion, not diatribe.
I agree. And it is a shame, because some of the other sites have intelligent posters, but they are locked into ridiculous standing battles and extreme positions. Almost like… well, it is the political season, after all.
Land Schwartz and I’m a happy man!
Nothing official on Schwartz despite reports. Horrible reporting. I said earlier I thought Ten would make a push. You don’t let your DC interview with another team for the same job.
Technically they said it was expected not official lol..Channel 6 and Eckel and some guy no one ever heard of.
LeBeau is their real DC. If he’s staying, they are staying with a 3-4 and thus no Schwartz.
They’re just giving us what we want and getting their precious clicks.
Has interest or just using the eagles…
As I re-read Tommy’s post, my confidence of this happening has lessened… to a maybe we get him.
As always we have no idea… Lol
Frank Gore to replace Staley as RB coach, as Staley moves into assistant Head Coach?
May the Schwartz be with us.
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Others have already said this and i am happy to keep it in play
In 1937, Eagles had a QB named Glenn Frey.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FreyGl20.htm
get some Necromancers to work and bring him back to join our all ex-QB all stars coaching super force that seeks to battle the evil trifecta of Cowgirls, Giants and Racists.
Seriously, half of your posts are just pure garbage…
Racists? Really?
well i mean if there were a native american outside my house walking his dog and they stopped and his dog was peeing on my lawn and I yelled out the window. “hey you stupid redskin get your dog off my lawn.” how exactly would he take that comment?
That team name needs to go.
Probably no differently than if you called him a “stupid Native American”.
When yelling at Native Americans (actually, “Indian” is just as correct to some of them; “Native American” can actually be offensive in some cases because their claim to the land predates America), it is best to soften the “redskin” slur with “noble”.
Usage: “Hey, ya noble redskin, get offa my lawn!”
No! The whole point was not to use ad hominem attacks at ALL. Then you don’t need to worry about which are offensive or not.
You obviously don’t know the history behind the term. Until you do, stop commenting about it.
I’m sure he would take offense. But let me ask you, how many of Washington’s players have ever done that? I’d be willing to wager that in the entire history of that franchise, not one player has ever said, “Hey you stupid redskin, get your dog off my lawn,” or anything close to that. In fact, I’d be more inclined to call my beloved Eagles racists since, you know, Riley Cooper. But that would be foolish since the vast majority of the organization is probably not racist, as can be said for the Redskins.
Swartz as DC im liking Douggies Style
You like what style?
tweed jacket style
My guys are saying Schwartz is a done deal
Not sure who your guys are, but I hope they’re right…
I like your guys.
Jamie Apoty isn’t exactly the most feminine looking lady out there, but calling her “my guy” is a bit mean.
are your guys the same loop of people that said the Gase deal is done if the money is right?
Do we know the money was right?
Schwartz has a strong track record, and his system fits our personnel well. The Titans always did well with rangy linebackers so Alonso, Hicks, and Kendricks could thrive, and a guy like Fletcher Cox could develop into a full-fledged superstar playing the Albert Haynesworth role in his front alignments. Would be a great hire IMO.
And in the times you’re actually going to run wide 9; you have a DC who knows how to instruct all of the position groups on how to play rather than a D-line coach gone rogue.
Wide 9 is fine on 3rd and long against an immobile QB. It sucks as a 1st down play against any team that can actually run the ball. Which then makes the Safeties have to cheat against the run every play, leaving the secondary naked without protection if they use play action and manage to delay the rush for a any period of time.
One DE in a wide 9 stance is fine on 1st down, the problem is both DEs in wide 9 and both DTs in 3 tech
To Pederson:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrea0xMhPL1qf1sfco1_r1_500.gif
Man, I better save that for if he gets hired.
Is Twitter down for anybody else? My feed is stuck on a 6 hour old post by Kempski about signing Chase Daniel for 4 mil / year.
Yea Twitter is down, it couldnt handle Eagles potential signing Schwartz
Amateur hour.
He broke the internet.
Omigod, a 6 hour Twitter fast. I can’t imagine how much monkey mind I would get!
[…] Schwartz in Town – Iggles BlitzSome people are worried about the Wide-9. Don’t worry about that. I’ll write plenty about it if/when Schwartz officially gets the job. The key thing you need to realize is that Schwartz is a veteran DC who has run Top 5 units for multiple teams. Doug Farrar of SI wrote a piece on the Bills defense from December of 2014. They had just dominated Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. And that defense finished 11th in the league against the run so it isn’t like they were weak there. Overally they finished 4th in yards and points. Think how fun it would be for the Eagles to have a defense that could finish Top 10 in points and/or yards. […]
[…] Schwartz in Town – Iggles BlitzSome people are worried about the Wide-9. Don’t worry about that. I’ll write plenty about it if/when Schwartz officially gets the job. The key thing you need to realize is that Schwartz is a veteran DC who has run Top 5 units for multiple teams. Doug Farrar of SI wrote a piece on the Bills defense from December of 2014. They had just dominated Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. And that defense finished 11th in the league against the run so it isn’t like they were weak there. Overally they finished 4th in yards and points. Think how fun it would be for the Eagles to have a defense that could finish Top 10 in points and/or yards. […]
As a side question, if he is hired and we go back to 4-3 how will the current personnel we have fit for 4-3. Figuring Cox and Logan would be DL, Graham and if we bring Curry would be DE, Barwin SAM? I would guess we need to bring in a thumper for MIKE? Would Kendricks/Alonso/Hicks battle for WILL? What are other thoughts on it?
Hicks and Demeco (if he is here) would make great MIKEs.
Kendricks is a perfect WILL.
Alonso has the size to play SAM.
Think Barwin is either traded or will play DE on pass rushing downs as a specialist rusher, with maybe Curry moving in to DT. Same with Smith.
If we move to a 4-3 we will need more depth, since most of our DLine depth is not suited to being 1 gap attacking types. Hart and Allen might be able to do a job in relief as run stuffers in the short term.
The past 3 years, Barwin has lined up as a 4-3 DE like 300 Times..
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This notion that BARWIN can’t play DE in a 4-3 or might move to SAM is ridiculous
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He is a DE(edge rusher) in our Defense, period..
Not the issue people are making this out to be
He can play DE for sure… but i feel that wastes his best ability which is being able to rush, set the edge and cover all well which makes him hard to account for.
As a DE he is just a good speed rusher… which is not a bad thing, but is probably not the best usage of him.
He rushed the passer significantly more than he ever dropped into coverage for us, although he does have that ability in his tool belt, and a good DC won’t waste that ability regardless of what base defense we run.
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BARWIN is fine, he fits no matter what we do
I just think that at his $6.7mil salary you could get a 3rd round pick from a 3-4 team that would naturally use his full range of skills more easily, which is probably more useful to the team long term.
He is obviously not getting cut, and if he stays he will be a DE for us. Schwartz tends to not drop his guys into coverage.. he likes to drop 7 into coverage and let his DL go to work most of the time, bring 1 or 2 extra as needed. Don’t see many exotic corner blitzes from him.
Yeah, we don’t have enough holes/glaring needs, let’s go actively create more needs, at one of the premier positions at that.. He is only our best, or second best edge rusher, a premiere position where we don’t have much talent backing them up waiting in the wings,.. What good is another 3rd round pick if you are creating another hole and getting rid of our best players?
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Wanna axe Barwins contract? The responsible way to do it is draft a DE that proves that he can replace BARWIN, and trade/cut BARWIN next year
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We have enough glaring needs without creating more, especially at significant premier positipns… For what Edge rushers cost, Barwins price tag is a bargain…… Id prefer to draft playërs at positions that have playërs we want to cut or transition away from… If you wanna get rid of JP next year, better draft his replacement this year. Wanna get rid of BARWIN, draft his replacement this year,… But just drafting playërs isn’t enough, we have to HIT on those picks and draft kids that will earn our trust and allow us to cut the veteran in front of them after next season.
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People wanna lose Bradford, Lose BARWIN, lose Jason Peters, we have enough Drastic needs if we keep those players, the last thing we need is to
Create MORE needs, especially at the premier positions QB, LT, DE…
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if Howie is smart, he will make sure he drafts future replacements a year before he plans on getting rid of key veterans..and also get back to extending our young players a year earlier so we can save a few dollars… Retain our own FA, stop signing other teams trash
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Unfortunately a decent game against the Giants week 17, ISNT enough to trust MS2 emough to lose BARWIN THIS offseason…. But who the hell knows what HOWIE has in mimd
The thing is, it makes sense to use Barwin as a tweener. Having him set up as DE and occasionally drop into coverage on a TE allows for an overload from somewhere else.
Yeah, really hoping that whoever is DC, they utilize hybrid fronts more often, because that fits the talent best, IMO.
You do not need a thumper as mike any more, Hicks is the perfect modern day mike
Graham, Logan, Cox, Curry would be DL. I think you can make an argument that Hicks has greatest value at Will, but Kendricks needs to play the WILL, and Hicks can play Mike. Kiko projects as a SAM (which comes off for nickel).
Barwin probably more of a DE, could also play SAM
MSII will be DE.
Allen fits nicely as backup 1 tech.
Def need another 3 tech. Full compliment of backup LBs (Goode, Acho, Skinner are ok but w/ injury history would like better fallbacks) Ok at DE but if Barwin is moved it becomes pretty urgent.
Thurmond likely not retained.
you guys might like this, interesting read on the process of interviewing HC candidates:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/19/nfl-head-coach-interviews-the-mmqb-jenny-vrentas
That’s a really good article.
makes sense. no mention of WRs or LBs.
I do understand you can’t get blue chip guys in every position. If I had to pick positions, I would do the same as Andy. At the same time, I dont think you need to pick from the garbage heap for ALL your LBs and WRs.
I thought Chip was all over this. Allocating funds the right way. Then he signed Murray and I didn’t know what to think. Seemed like such a misallocation of resources.
Makes a lot of sense given where Reid was criticized for not placing much value (LBs, WRs).
Already had a franchise-caliber LT in Thomas though, 1 of the pass-rushers in Douglas, 2 CBs in Taylor/Vincent, and a high draft choice to get a franchise-caliber QB.
Quickly got the other pieces too – drafted Simon in ’00 (6th overall) and signed Runyan after the ’99 season.
McNabb was the key but a lot of quality pieces were already in place here.
Pederson by contrast I’d argue only has 2 of those – Cox and L. Johnson neither of who are locked up long-term right now. Maybe you can argue a few others fit the bill including Bradford, Maxwell, or Graham/Curry at DE but to me it tells you just how less of a talented roster Pederson is inheriting.
Less talented than the one Reid inherited? Maybe at those positions, but overall this team is more solid than the ’99 team.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/689433767031648256
This is probably one of the more reliable Tweets on the subject.
Lock him inside Novacare and DONT allow him to leave until he signs the contract… Problem Solved, so what if we have to face a kidnapping charge… Well worth it
Fuck it, kidnap his grandma or slip him a Cosby just to make sure he signs.
When we switch to a 4-3, I think we shift our depth needs from DE to DT. At DE we would potentially have Graham, Barwin, MSII, and Curry. If it’s Schwartz’s attacking style, Barwin and MSII should be fine.
The problem then shifts to DT where we only have Cox as a true 3 technique (really he can play anywhere on the line). Our depth behind him are all suited to 2 gapping.
Simple, we trade with the 49ers.
Bennie Logan is a good player, even in a 4-3.,, he is more agile, mobile than Hollis Tank Thomas ever was who was a solid contributor to our 4-3 Defense.. If Hollis can play in a 4-3, no reason why Logan can’t
Right, but he’s going to start next to Cox. I failed to mention him in the original post. We’re still left with Allen, Bair, and Hart (Thornton is an UFA). Those guys are all two-gap/nose tackle type players.
Allen will backup Logan
Right. We just don’t have a back up 3 technique to spell Cox in a base defense. We can rotate Curry inside on obvious passing downs, but Cox will need to come off the field periodically.
Good thing that this draft is super deep at DT. Can get a good one in the 3rd.
In the 3rd round, I’m grabbing an offensive lineman. Actually I’m just drafting all offensive lineman. ( I kid, I kid).
Graham can also play DT. Really the depth we have so far is pretty amaze because they can all play up and down the line.
Would be nice to have another good Dline at any position though.
He can, but he’s another one I don’t want as a primary backup for the base d. Specific pass rushing packages fine, but not for the base D.
Most teams do not have backup 3T worth anything. In general the backups are backups for a reason.
For ACV: didnt take long for him to spit on Lovie’s grave:
New Bucs coach Dirk Koetter said he will be a more aggressive play caller in 2016.
Koetter said ex-coach Lovie Smith did not specifically tell him to play it conservatively, but he was not as aggressive as he wanted to be while serving as the offensive coordinator. “When you’re the head coach and you’re the play caller, you have a license to be a little bit more aggressive,” Koetter said. “You don’t have to worry about the head coach second guessing you; you are the head coach. So you make your game plan and you stick to your game plan.” Despite having a big-armed quarterback and several deep threats, the Bucs were middle of the pack in deep shot attempts according to Pro Football Focus. That could change next season.
I think the new QB showed progress and some talent, why exactly was Lovie fired? They beat the hell out of us. And that’s hard to do. Right? Right?
Dumb firing, really.
lovie probably wanted to run ball control kotter obviously expressed that he wanted to get more out of winston.
When you name possession WRs as deep threats then you know you’re in a dysfunctional organization.
I don’t understand the point of letting defensive coordinators know this early what you plan to do. Good luck down there, Koetter.
Anon:
Great find.
Dirk Koetter better succeed, and succeed B-I-G, as the Bucs HC — ’cause the next coordinator job he’ll get will be high school.
What a disloyal jerk.
Still waiting for a coach to announce they plan on being super passive in their introductory PC.
“So uh you know, lots of draws on 3rd and long”
we’re going to have the WRs run lots of 5 yard ins on 3rd and 8.
or how about: we’re going to scale back the playbook, and I mean way, way back, because I don’t trust the players to run anything.
too soon?
Against the Eagles last season, those 3rd-and-long draws were not bad calls.
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Coach —
My only problem with Koetter was that he put himself a bit too publicly in the middle of a Shakespearean drama.
Must be friends with Dana Holgerson
“We have a QB very good at throwing short of the sticks, so we’re going to build an offense around failing to get 1st downs.”
Yeah, you have a rookie who threw too many interceptions in college and your biggest mistake was not slinging it.
What is a realistic expectation for Pederson’s first year? Really curious to see if reporters will ask Pederson and/or Lurie this question and how they each might respond.
I don’t expect them to give an exact number of wins but I am interested to see where both men view the team right now.
The only thing I except Lurie to say is not to use the ‘r’ word – rebuilding. I think that is a mistake given where this roster and overall talent level is at right now including the uncertainty surrounding Bradford.
I don’t follow other teams closely enough to know this, but how often do owners, coaches or GMs in the NFL say their team is rebuilding? It doesn’t seem like the right message to send fans or the players on the team.
It happens when it is obvious from a W-L standpoint but I agree that it isn’t something that a team like the Eagles wouldn’t use.
It has been hard to defer from Lurie where he views this team right now. I’m really curious to see if gives any more clues today on where he thinks this team is at and what they are capable of the short-term (next year or two).
does it really matter, isn’t this a 3 year plan or so? I don’t want to get caught on a number of wins. I want progress. I want the OL to communicate better with each late in the season compared to the beginning. Stuff like that.
They haven’t said anything really. Even saying there was a 3-year plan or time frame would be a pretty big deal.
agree but someone will ask Im sure. Fair enough question I guess, do they improve on 7 wins or expect to take a step back before going forward. Better question for us fans really, they would never answer that with a number of course. Depends on QB big time, only guy that could improve on it is SB, otherwise I think they would know they are rebuilding to a degree. You can hope a rookie lights it up if you draft one high but even then there would be some acclimation per expectations.
I am cool as long as I see some good drafting and they discard the free agent-crack addiction. Build from the lines out. I would prefer to dump Bradford; if they can get a draft pick out of it, so much the better. I don’t think he’s good enough and I want a better one, preferably one with legs thicker than mine. I want to see fundamental football and adaptability so that resources are maximized. I want solid, defensible decisions that don’t hamstring the team and make us incrementally better. There should be a personality to the team and a dominant strength in some area should be built.
Between 4 and 8 wins.
Depends what they do at QB frankly. If they bring back Bradford this should be a 10-6 type roster with the NFC east and schedule they have.
If they go a rookie QB take 3-4 games off that probably if he is starting from day 1, or 7-9 or 8-8 if Sanchez starts.
Even if they bring back Bradford:
Still need: 2 (preferably 3) OL. A new S. Possibly a WR, and the entire D is going to be paper thin.
So yes theres a world where this team gets 10 wins if they brin Bradford back. But that’s pretty much the pie in the sky everything breaks right outcome.
Poor drafting has really killed this team. But def makes cap easier to manage when you don’t have anyone worth paying.
The only thing that really bothers me is that we are wasting Cox’s prime on this trash. It always seems to me that this team is short difference makers.
Only one “difference maker” drafted since…dawkins?
Lito Sheppard & Sheldon Brown?
Good players, of course. But guys that make the offense have to change their game plan to account for them? We have had a shortage.
Of course, it is not so easy for good teams to draft such players because of draft order.
Agreed. I guess the closest the Eagles had since Dawkins was Trent Cole. In his prime teams would avoid his side a good majority of the time being that not only was his pass rush good but his run support was superb.
Djax/shady?
I think he was referring to the defensive side of the ball. In regards to the offense their has been no shortage of impact players drafted.
True dat.
My impression was that when Reid’s Eagles lost in the playoffs, the other team usually had amazing star players that just overwhelmed us. Discipline and doing things the right way falls before brilliance.
Don’t agree to be honest. OL was poor last year, but they had a lot of pressure on them and a scheme that leaves them without much help and 1v1 a lot of the time. Having RB’s staying in to block, TE’s on deep pass routes should help shore up the pass protection even with minimal talent injection. 1 good guard who can get movement in the run game should help free up Kelce to get to the 2nd level more frequently and will help improve the run game. adding a free agent and a draft pick will improve quality and OL depth significantly (Barbre/Tolbin can go back to being back ups)
Outside of that i actually think they have depth at WR (lack a no.1) , RB, CB, LB (if they bring back Goode/Demeco). Will need to replace Celek if they move on. DL is a concern depth wise but fortunatly it is a strength of this draft class and we should be able to stock up on quality depth in the mid rounds.
Preseason every beat writer spoke about how much deeper and talented this roster looked than before (even with OL concerns). That has not changed imho. We failed in 2015 due to some pretty awful coaching not a fatally floored roster.
Will need to replace Celek if they move on. Trey Burton could be $ if he ever got a chance to play.
You can’t have an OL you have to babysit, no killer RB, no go to WR, and an average QB and expect to win a ton.
Hopefully 2 so we can get stud QB in year 2
I’m not pleased that Pederson’s vision for the team involves Spags as the DC.
Spags was good
Schwartz is gooder.
“Was” is the key word in that statement.
Spags needs a decent D line to be successful
Good to know that there are coordinators out there who don’t.
Any guesses on what happens to Shurmur? Will he take a demotion to QB coach, or will Kelly get him as O coordinator? What other O coordinator jobs are left?
Maybe he will be the spread analyst/ assistant head coach like Childress was in KC.
I guess Chiefs.
Childress is expected to step into the OC job in KC.
Shurmur is under contract. All non-HC jobs are classifed as an assistant coach job with respect to how the NFL rules about teams being able to block a coach from leaving applies. So, as long as the Eagles are willing to pay him the same amount of money he was making, they could keep him as QB coach whether he likes it or not. Now, of course, you don’t necessarily want to keep a coach who wouldn’t be happy here.
Interesting didn’t hear a report of Eagles denying SF’s request to interview him. Does CK not want him? If feeling was that he wasn’t going to be OC here you’d think he’d spend more time interviewing elsewhere — that said probably hard to get a new job the way things went down here.
If he does stay as Qb coach, and I think he will because his family is probably comfortable here; then Bradford should also feel more comfortable staying. I think he still adds value using some of Chips play calls too.
qb coach or unemployed. doubt pederson wants that kind of conflict from a vet coach, especially when it’s his first time calling plays
Anyone know the best OL free agent available this offseason? Remember Reid first move when he got here…getting Jon Runyan. Would surprise me if Pederson doesnt do the same thing.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/
Go there and search for OL
Would love Cordy glenn. Buffalo most likely won’t let him go …but we also thought the same thing about another Left tackle that we received from them a few years ago.
I cant see them being able to resign both Glenn and Incognito, so one of those studs will be available.
I was surprised to see Incognito get 1st team All Pro recognition . . . .
While Fletcher Cox ended up 2nd team.
Cox rag-dolled Incognito all afternoon. Not sure Incognito ever did block him that day.
The all pro nod threw me off as well. I knew he played very well in the few Bills games that I had watched but didn’t realize he was playing at that kind of level. Once again that just shows how good, underrated, and any other narrative you can throw out there about Cox. His level of excitement about a potential switch to a 4-3 has me very very excited to see what he does this year.
excellent take away
Difference maker… Jerome 2.0? I can hardly wait.
It must be a down year for guards then. Atkins and Donald had the better year compared to Cox. Honestly, I think Cox should have been in consideration for DE since Watt was voted in for DE.
Donald yes, Atkins did not but made it on name recognition and being that he did what he did coming off injury.
Atkins had 11 sacks after not playing last season.
As a penetrating 4-3 tackle. The fact that Cox had 9.5 sacks playing in a 2-gapping 3-4 is nothing short of amazing and to me he was more deserving then Atkins.
True but if your team isn’t winning then you don’t get looked at nearly as hard.
Looking at PFF’s list for all pros, I would take their listings with a huge grain of salt. Palmer over Brady? For real?
Agreed. To me, if the Eagles do switch to the 4-3, this is the year that Cox really gets the national attention he is deserving of.
I’m hoping we land Schwartz and unleash Curry, Graham and Cox.
I —
No argument about Donald. The guy is other-worldly every week just about. (Atkins, I can’t say.)
My comment about Incognito vs. Cox is more about Incognito.
That afternoon, he looked lead-footed and immobile.
Next thing I see (well, a couple weeks later), the guy is All Pro. Very surprised is all.
Well Incognito didn’t make the AP all pro team if that makes any sense now.
First team guards were Yanda and Decastro.
Glenn will probably get tagged.
Looks like we are going to get Russel Okung.
Reid arrived in 1999.
His first moves were signing Pederson, WRs CJohnson and TSmall, and S Tim Hauck.
It was the next season — the 2000 season — that the Eagles signed Runyon as a FA.
Regardless, your central point is a good one.
Sounds like we’ll be bringing in TWO new WR coaches.
Russell Okung
No way is Okung the best free agent available this offseason.
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JR Sweezy, Alex Boone, Kelvin Beachum, and Cordy Glenn that I can think of off the top of my head are all much better options.
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Edit:
I really hope the Eagles make a play for Sweezy or Boone or both if they can afford it to sure up the interior line.
Okung’s never played 16 games in his six-year NFL career. (Last three: 8, 14, 13)
Also, not sure he’s worth LT money.
Apparently, neither is Seattle.
Glenn is better than Okung.
So is a 34 year old Jason Peters.
Okung just isn’t that good even when he’s healthy.
Exactly, he has been overrated since college. I remember that draft and many “analyst” saying that the Redskins picked the wrong guy in Trent Williams and look how that turned out.
Okung was damn good in college though. He was so damn athletic but the injuries killed his potential. Seattle’s OL has been shaky at best for a long time so I don’t think it’s just one guys fault at this point.
Glenn is gonna be stupid expensive
Mitchell Schwartz would be a solid choice to play RT across from Johnson as a LT.
all press conferences should be at 10 am so I can read about them during my lunch.
How everything went down with Schwartz is a little strange. Why would the guy have a deal done with us before he even had an interview? Supposedly, Doug and him do not even know each other. And with the TEN job seemingly opening, I just can’t consider this a done deal until the Eagles announce it.
poor reporting, eagles beat guys looking for scoops
Jamie Apody (6abc.com/local ABC news affiliate on air sportsperson) basically said he was in town. Once that had him on camera, they changed their tune that he was signing. Never used the phrase “according to sources” anywhere. Complete fabrication to get headlines. Really, they have nothing to lose if they are wrong.
wish my boss as was forgiving when i’m wrong.
If your mistakes drive thousands of people to your website, she’ll find it in her heart to forgive you.
It’s not about being wrong, it’s getting results. For these guys, getting attention is the product.
Re: Offensive Lineman Jeff Allen
There’s a former 2nd Rd pick from the 2012 entering free agency named Jeff Allen.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJe01.htm
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/jeff-allen/
Allen was selected by the Chiefs, started 27 games his first two seasons. Seems to have been injured the past couple years.
He’s started at OG and OT for the Chiefs.
Not a premium FA. But maybe someone Pederson wants to bring here.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/jeff-allen?id=2532787
http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansas-city-chiefs/2012/4/27/2982169/2012-chiefs-draft-looking-at-jeff-allens-various-scouting-reports
The consensus seems about right. He could most likely be better than what we have right now.
As long as we’re acquiring people named Schwartz… let’s give Mitchell Schwartz a call.
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The fact that Wade Phillips was ever unemployed lets you know how silly the hiring system is in pro football.
from PFT on Chiefs drive:
How bad is that? It’s almost unheard of. According to the drive finder at Pro Football Reference, there have been 2,111 drives
in NFL games since 1998 in which the team with the ball trailed by 9-17
points (in other words, they needed to score more than once but weren’t
totally out of it) with less than seven minutes left. Out of those
2,111 drives, only one took more time than the 5:16 the Chiefs took off
the clock on Saturday.
was the one that took more time the Eagles in the SB?
The SB drive took 3:52 . . .
though it felt like 6:52.
I felt like I aged 10 years during that drive between the length of it and the stress of watching.
The whole drive was slow and in slow motion.
Here’s what the Eagles gained on each play:
4
4
5
2
inc
10
inc
0
11
inc
13
inc
30 – TD
Wow I remember the drive taking forever but seeing how the plays went, its shocking that it didn’t take longer.
remember how angry Belichick was after the TD?
at the rate the Eagles were going, those last 30 yards — if the Pats didn’t blow a coverage — would have taken 4 or 5 more plays . . .
and another 1:00 off the clock, at least.
Ahhh yes I remember Belichick being very livid in those moments.
looking at those play numbers . . .
(i) I want to cry again.
(ii) I want to laugh because KC took even longer.
And I would easily join you in doing those things.
I remember their safety (or corner) got hurt, was out, and it took like 15 plays for us to attack the newbie, which resulted in the Greg Lewis touchdown.
I was already in NE at the time, watching it at a friend’s house with all Pats fans. When McNabb is throwing up you can imagine the abuse I took.
and you all wonder why I hate the Pats so much. #neverforget
Thing that amazed me was there commitment to the run and there lack of any kind of package of plays so they could complete back to back plays without huddling. Was truly bizarre.
However in Andy’s defense… that offense is not build to go down the field fast its designed to play with the lead and be methodical… so thats what they did.
Maybe someone can explain why exactly the drive took so long — with more than just Andy Reid can’t manage the clock.
I watched the game. I saw NE playing deep across the field, keeping everything underneath.
And I saw twice where Chief WRs — a rookie in Conley and a 2nd year player in Wilson — didn’t step out of bounds after catching the ball, instead fighting for a couple extra yards. (yes, good coaching and good QBing reminds all players to get out of bounds ASAP)
Beyond that . . . schematically, systemically, whatever . . . why exactly did this drive take so long?
I also saw the QB more than once run a long way to go out of bounds for a gain of 2-3 yards. Maybe those yards matter, but those were long plays. I think a lot of QB’s throw it away.
but that’s prob just another what, 15 seconds. That can’t be the primary reason. The primary reason was all the huddles and changing personnel.
Reid is just a methodical dude, apparently.
Reid should just say, “I believe in getting the right personnel, the right play call, and putting my guys in situations they can succeed. Maybe you prefer the guy who just got fired that made everyone go so fast they turned the ball over every other drive.”
a short pass over the middle to Avant who is tackled at the 3 yard line. Then the Chiefs go into a huddle.
either bad call or bad route running. not having two plays called in the last huddle is inexplicable
Alex Smith had a big lunch and the chunks were taking long to come back up.
between plays Andy was heard on his headset asking for his 2nd steak sandwich he had ordered. he kept saying it’s OK take your time. Alex Smith thought he was talking to him I guess.
Yeah!
God damn I’m late to the party. Is Banks a reliable source?
I don’t trust any of these reporters anymore, I want like 5 people reporting it. Then it’s moved up to a maybe.
I’ll believe it when Heath Evans rips it.
Yes
Pederson learning well from Big Red by making a defensive guy the offensive coordinator instead of offensive guy to the defensive side of the ball.
Well done.
Of course they Juan Castillo him.
Hahaha I didn’t even catch that the first time around!
typo aside in the tweet (“offensive coordinator”) . . .
I suspect the Eagles have made Jim Schwartz the highest paid coordinator — offense or defense — in the NFL.
And by more than a few dollars.
But I thought nobody wants to work with Howie.
People love working w/ $$.
Exactly. This has almost nothing to do with Roseman.
Interesting, so you don’t buy that Howie’s presence here is a net negative is acquiring coaching talent?
Not at all. I think it’s media driven.
why do you suspect that?
Because the Titans job is in his hometown.
was that job offered to him? I must have missed that.
I think it is just now hitting the market. But I doubt we want him going for an interview.
ok I see the point you are making.
RNE:
Schwartz was the top available 4-3 DC — certainly, in the estimation of the Eagles front office.
He had some other coaching options available to him. And he has money in the bank. A move isn’t necessary for him.
With the Eagles, I’m assuming he’ll be the “head coach of the defense” — answering generally to Pederson, but (as with the Reid-Johnson model) essentially left to his own devices.
Also, he’s a former HC. The only former HC on the staff, it looks like. So I’d like to think the Eagles front office is expecting more from Schwartz than from, say, a Billy Davis-type.
Plus, I think Lurie wants to maintain (or restore?), as much as he can, the perception that the Eagles are a 1st Class franchise that’s willing to pay for the best assistant coaches.
Combine these (and some other factors, like Mac said, such as home-town oppty), and you have the highest paid coordinator.
Just a theory.
I think its a fair bet Schwartz will get full control of the defense (Reid done the same both here and with the Chiefs, so that is the model Pederson has learned) and Schwartz has the personality that the defense will feed off
offensive coordinator?
typo he meant defensive
He fixed it after.
https://twitter.com/DonBanks/status/689512499423514625
If the “Deal” is not yet signed .. then the Eagles do not have a new DC….
Juan derful!!!!
That was a typo, but my guys told me this yesterday.
lmao
My guys drink all my beer on Sundays
Some guy kept telling us Maclin was getting re-signed last year.
Just a formality.
Your guys are better than the other guy.
Rats, I hoped for him as defensive coordinator. Banks has some inside dope. 😉
Pederson’s Juan Castillo!
Juanita Schwartz! He wanted Jim Washburn’s insults to live on!
Going to run the Wide 9 offensive line. Tackles out wide so they can get up and attack the 2nd level aggressively. What will happen up the middle may be a concern to some people but we will have 8 QB’s on the active roster.
lol, and Bradford would begin his retirement papers
So we’re going to have 5 Riley Coopers?
Is Reich on board yet, what is taking so long for that?
maybe they announce both coordinators at the press conference.
So uhh how much money does Curry resign for?
I say Graham money is fair deal
I think he might do a one year prove it deal.
Pretty amazing seeing AVANT make those catches, like he always has, for the chiefs.
Yeah he had the game of his career. I loved it!
DC battle
Pederson: 1
Chip: 0
Seriously why did he even consider Billy Davis? Did the other DCs smell Chip’s BS when they met or something?
Don’t know if Mangini will be eventually be crowned the 49ers DC . . .
But he was very much available in 2013 when Kelly came to Philadelphia. And there’s no evidence I can find that Kelly spoke to him.
Then in June 2013, the 49ers gave Mangini a job (some kind of exotic title sort of like Childress had in KC).
who are Chip’s coordinators?
I heard that they’re trying to keep Mangini as the DC.
I have seen Mike Vrabel as the DC (aka Belichick told Kelly to hire him)
I thought that was just an interview.
cause he had experience with a 3-4. Chip Kelly is such a small minded
I trust some of you will be live blogging the press conference. Thanks in advance.
Im so tired of this franchise behaving like some pussy Weasels. After what we been thru, and then get Howie jammed back down our throats without even seeing if we could find better, now this pussy Owner isn’t going to make Howie available to the media today? Grow a spine, grow some Balls Lurie, pussy…… You believe in Howie, fine, Grow some Balls and OWN IT, instead of hiding Howie from the media because you know the public ISNT thrilled with it.
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After the Mess LURIE allowed the last GM chip to make, what type of disrespect is it to hire a new GM, and hide him from fans and media.. The LEAST Howie Amd LURIE could do is take some question, and have the Balls to not hide Howie..
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What a spit in the face. What franchise changes GM and doesn’t make the new GM available to the media. How disrespectful can this franchise be? It’s bad enough, you built an entire new Regime on Nepotism, recycling ghosts of assistants past, without adequately searching to see if we can find better, at least have the decency to OWN it…
What are you gpmg to do? Hide Howie and protect him forever? Even Hinkie knows that there are a few TImes per year that hehas to address the media, I find this to be so gutless and disrespectful…
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So tired of this franchise
then go away. nobody reads all the crap you write. Go become a 49ers fan like I became a Chiefs fan. Just get out of here. you suck.
This day is a bout Pederson, not about Howie. Howie will talk soon enough.
Also who the hell is out there that is better than Howie? and I mean both in contracts, trades and the draft?
any recent team with a ring. Don’t mean a thing unless you got that ring…
I probably like Howie more than majority of fans… I dont have any problem with Doug or his assistants, but I HATE how this franchise went about EVERYTHING to get to this Poimt.
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LURIE fired Chip, reinstated Howie, but hid him from THAT press confrence, now we are introducing a new coach without the GM? Who the fuck operates like that? SOOO disrespecful, and I already am hearing that the plan ismy to have Howie so in front of everything like last time..
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Typically when a coach is introduced, it’s done by the Owner and GM..
who really cares though? it works or it doesn’t, whether the GM is at the press conference for the HC should be way, way down on the list.
I LIKE HOWIE!! I am probably a bigger fan of his than 90% of this message board…. I don’t like weasel behavior
Sorry if this has been covered, but why do you put certain words in all CAPS? I DON’T get it. Also, go away.
EMPHASIS so you know what words he is SHOUTING as he is typing.
I figured. It reminds me of a few guys that tend to hang around 7-11 asking for change..
whislt texting on their iphone
he should get grilled for that by the press. I think he will. What has Howie done since 2010 that he deserves another shot, team hasnt won squat. Their small circle of interviewees and the Duce charade in this hiring process are worthy of being criticized. They went with the best fit instead of maybe the best coach. Doesnt mean they didnt get a good coach, just that the process was limited.
The only draft we know was run by Howie, we drafted Cox, Curry, Kendricks, Foles and Boykin
thats a good one
decent draft, hit 3, so the secrecy again with Howie and what he did. Howie hasnt won anything. Lurie should have cut bait and went with a new GM, instead he pseudo promotes him while taking away personnel decisions to just bring him back in fold, what a mess
But is it Howies fault that Reid and Kelly didnt win anything?
a better question is what has he done to earn this
Nobody outside of Lurie knows that
I like Howie, I think he brings a lot of good to the GMS positipn, but don’t be a weasel about it and hide him from the media. You made a decision, stand tall and OWN IT
who says pussy after like the age of 21?
And he is late!
Something something Clock Management is already an issue
They’re probably still huddled waiting for the script
probably waiting for Eskin to sit down and shut up
Josh Innes is so annoying. get that dude out of here and get the press conference started.
I am guessing Schwartz and his pesky contract have gummed up the works for this little press conference thingy we are trying to watch.
maybe that’s where Howie is, you know, doing the contracts.
It is startting
Lets go Pederson!
someone should be there with an IB press credential.
Jim Schwartz spotted at the PC, so I guess the deal has been signed?
Are you surprised Howie spent the season looking for new coaes? You know he was in LURIE’s ear the full time “you gotta fire this guy, how much longer can he be allowed to destroy the team?”
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You know that before Chip was fired Howie wemt in his office armed with Stats, coachng evaluations, and all types of Intel about why Chip NEEDED to be fired.?
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Howie has most likely been working towards this since the day his office was moved to the other side of Novacare
well it’s not like Chip performed so well to avoid it
Any well run organization would do that.
Like the US invasion plan for Canada.
“Incredible” means “hard to believe”. It’s not only believable, but rather if Lurie *hadn’t* done that, only then would it be incredible. If you anticipate the need to fire someone, then you know you’re going to need to hire someone else. Which means you do planning work in case it comes to that — that’s just a good organization. Obviously you keep that to yourself and people you know will be staying (possibly Howie, or maybe that’s why Lurie used outsiders like Jaws and Polian, to keep that information outside the building).
It may only be “incredible” if you want to push the (apparently completely inaccurate) storyline that it was an impulse firing and the team was flailing at trying to find a candidate.
Right I think it’s just not well worded. Saying something like “we always keep tabs on NFL personnel, if we didn’t we wouldn’t be doing our job” would be better.
Well it’s like do you fire a 20-win coach halfway through next season. Makes it seem like Chip was on a short leash probably before season started. He’s not the first guy to start the season under .500.
Dayummmm Chip really stepped on a lot of toes.
yeah I figured that Howe might’ve been looking for Chips replacement and plotting the next move in case of his downfall ever since he got stripped of power and moved to the janitors closet last year.
Fletch, Bennie, Brandon, Vinny all psyched beyond belief.
Lead young man
Tremendous owner
top notch individuals
good support
understands Philly culture (what it feels like to win here)
Pederson’s reasons why he came here.
edit: Seems like it took this long to start so Howie/Lurie can get him to say all of that.
He seems a little nervous.
Schwartz officially the DC
On Bradford’s future, still evaluating.
Still interviewing OCs
of course.
Still undecided on an Offensive coordinator,,, so much for the Reich reports.
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Doug says” Bradford fits perfectly in the system he wants to bring, and that he can be a top notch QBS, just look at the second half of this season” .. SMART MAN!
Also said still evaluating, so take almost everything said right now with a grain of salt brother.
lol Good QB play, ISNT the big grand decision people make it out to be…you can keep SAM and try and win a division, or let him get away and becone irrelevant forced to over draft Qb prospects out of desperation… I believe that we are smarter than that… But we’ll see…. But personally im convinced SAM is our QB
Doug talked about not only winning the division next year. But SAM having the talent To win playpff games next yeàr…. NOTHING That came out of Doug or Luries mouth points to a rebuild with a rookie QB…
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If ignorant fans can magnify every “report” of some blowhard claiming that he knows SAM doesn’t want to be here, or that he knows the Eagles don’t want to Pay SAM, then I can point to what has directly come out of ourcoach and Owners mouth.
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For someone who Knows this city well, I doubt he thinks that openly lying to philly in his introductory press Confrence is the best way to start his HC career
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Then again, I really don’t give a shit what anyone says, nor do I care what some hack media clown reports.. I DONT believe a franchise with Bradford caliber QBS will let him get away. i Need to see Bradford leave Philly to believe it…. The guy is healthy, entering his prime, and Qbs like that don’t switch Teams, the only way a franchise lets a QB like that get away is if they have a young QB on the bench they believe in. alex smith never gets traded if KAp wasn’t in place behind him, Drew Brees would have never been aLlowed to leave San Diego if Rivers Wasnt in place.. peyton never leaves the Colts of Luck Wasnt in place,
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We wouldhave to be a moronic dysfunctional mess to łet Sam get away and go into a weak QB draft without a QB. Especially when we dont have a 2nd round pick, and we aren’t picking in the top 10
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im CONVINCED Sam is the QB of the Eagles until proven otherwise.. I don’t believe we are stupid enough to let a QB get away that played the positipn Bradford showed the secondhalf of the season (Independant of the team results)
well the DC hire was much more important
Hell yeah!
Just over here like.
Only interesting thing is that Pederson said he’ll call the plays on offense. Only real ‘news’ so far.
Doug calling plays on offense.
Doug was calling plays on every second half since the Pittsburg game and the playoff game. Drives took long since he didn’t want to give Brady the ball back. Uhh shit did we make a mistake?
Pretty smart not to give the ball back to Brady.
Also I like how he owns up to it and not try to blame others
but they were down 10+ points?
yeah real smart to milk the clock down by 2 scores. It’s unpredictable I’ll give it that. Waay outside the box.
Its a learning process and the logic is correct.
Nobody is born perfect dude.
so he’s called plays in the second half of 8 games? great.
Pittsburgh was the start of their win streak. I’d have to do some more digging to evaluate that.
Pittsburgh was without Big Ben that game.
KC’s schedule was full of easy games
They did beat Denver
Didn’t want to give Brady the ball back, down too many WRs, still had timeouts to try an onside kick . .
So many weak ass excuses even though you knew it was coming.
that makes no sense. If you get the onsides kick and get down to the 10, then you can start playing with the clock. but you need that time to get in a position to score.
this must be the first time a team down by two scores was milking the clock on purpose.
It BS. Just has enough common sense to not throw Reid under the bus here.
I hope so but I’d like some recognition that it’s BS. Like is he winking? Are his fingers crossed? something?
My understanding is that they even tho they were down, they prefered giving BRady the ball back with 50 seconds instead of with 3 minutes, because if BRady got the ball back with 3 minutes, they would have run their regular offense, and KC wasn’t able to stop it all day, Zero sacks on BRady, ONLY hit him ONCE which is crazy. So the thinking was that if they gaveback the ball to the Pats with only 50 seconds, it was more likely that they would run the ball 3 times to kill the clock, and KC was doing good against the run, but couldn’t stop bRady all game
they were down by 2 scores at this point right, not one. So they onsides kick it in this scenario? and get it back, and need to score another TD. How does 20 seconds left better than 2 minutes?
Yes, playoff statistic say you have about a 25% to get the onside kick, if not, they were hoping Pats would just run 3 times instead of running their regular offenses
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The honesty in taking responsibility for that final drive. I like it.
http://s.quickmeme.com/img/11/11db2e8927f94540e06aceff20761504ae6f5ecb06839d918113101eb30d7baa.jpg
Talking about plugging Bradford in and cutting him loose, and that he wants to reach out and talk to SAM
Collaborative effort between Doug, Howie, and Donahoe (for now?) over the roster.
Seeing how much FO hated chip not surprised we dind’t want to keep portions of his scheme.
Why is Howard Eskin asking a question already asked?
‘It’s a collaborative effort’
Going to break any ties by rock, scissors, or paper until Howie just says ‘screw this.’
I hope his pre-game speeches are better….first HC job though so I’d imagine he’s a bit nervous and uncertain. Said all the stock answers…..
“does it bother you that you weren’t the first choice?”
fucking ouch
I loved how Lurie just told the media they was full of shit
Nah. They just called it out and he just responded back.
Such a disrespectful uneccessary question by this trashy media
yup it was ridiculous for a reporter to say that when he had no idea whether it was true or not. Totally irresponsible.
Disrespectful
who asked it?
Didn’t regognize the guy, but they did pan to him
not Tommy right?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Lurie saying the media was full of shit
loved it. my favorite part.
I hope he used those words
He said that none of what the reported was true
I wonder what random boxes they had to check off in their candidates searches:
– Hate Cowboys
– Non-vegan/vegetarian
– ???
Doug likes Fipp and Stoutland style
What the hell do the reporters expect Lurie to say about Pederson?
Yeah we had 3 or 4 guys in mind and wound up having to go with Pederson. Of course publicly he is going to come out and say Pederson was his guy (and only guy) all along.
https://www.dotas-scandal.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/pinocchio.jpg
The reporters or Lurie?
Lurie. Standard operating procedure though.
Yes, but I’m guessing somewhere between 75% and 100% of the reports we offered the job to someone were also false.
Reporter were almost certainly getting all their information from the candidates’ side, not the Eagles, and in those cases agents will definitely plant false rumors in order to manipulate other teams.
I doubt it but I wouldn’t expect Lurie to say anything else (or any owner for that matter).
Lurie, of course. I don’t give a $hit about what reporters say or think.
nice wig Roob. Roob the Boob.
It’s cool to see the clip of the Bills defense carrying Schwartz on their shoulders off the field after winning a big game… For whatever it’s worth, we damn sure didnt see eagles carrying Chip off the field.
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That doesn’t mean much, but it does say that he could connect and build the right relationships with his players which was sonething that chip allegedly lacked
a regular season game? wow.
I’m hopeful and optimistic. what more can I ask for at this point.
That was so awesome. I love how flamboyant Schwartz is.
maybe he can bring some Buddy Ryan swagger back to the defense.
That’s what I’m hoping for. I want to see over the top sack celebrations, Jordan Mathews spinning the ball, and sideline antics. Was getting sick of how boring Eagles football has gotten.
He’s a Jeff Fisher disciple, who’s a Buddy disciple I have a feeling he will
Yeah it’s on YouTube..,
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I also loved that he almost fought Harbaugh when he was acting like a Jerk during the post game handshakes
I showed that clip to my wife and she was on Harbaugh’s side, which annoyed me. I mean, Harbaugh clearly didn’t even stop jogging, right? Super rude in my book.
Yeah seemed like HARBAUGH was a dick, kept running, kind of rubbing the win in Schwartz face. And Schwartz was having no part of it lol
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Sure could use an infusion of toughness
Dougie sure making it sound like SAM Bradford is the Qb of the Eagles, and he claims that he believes this team has enough to try and win the division next year… Can’t say I disagree with anything he said
I’m not sure how to read it, he could genuinely want Bradford but even if he dirsbtyky can’t say anything negative about him that just shows the rest of the league you don’t want him and diminishes trade value
He is bringing up bradford on his own a couple times. I understand when he just answers questions about SAM, but he is bringing up SAM on his own in some cases
offensive coach is DOA without a QB.
Franchise are irrelevant without a QB, and we won’t get a QB that gives us a better chamce to win these next 3 years than SAM…. I think people are grossly under rating The ability SAM showed, improving each week while the rest of the franchise was in a steady decline
if they are improving think you have to keep them.
I think Doug nails the midnight green tie better than Lurie. Shame Lurie! I think his color vision is inferior to Doug the Thug’s
http://i.imgur.com/Oh7qkSn.png
Nailed the dark grey color better but that solid midnight green tie is brutal. Impossible to make it work with anything really.
Pederson did better and the white shirt makes it pop a bit more.
“We are about to start a search for head of personnel”-LURIE… Hopefully when this hire is introduced, they will finally make Howie available to the media
Pretty much what I figured although I wonder if they will do another public press conference with Roseman & the new hire. I tend to doubt it.
I think they will have to…. LURIE made it sound like they will have another press Confrence to adress the new front office structure, but who knows. Think it’s a weasel move to already have had two press Confrence and hidden Howie from both, Hopefully a 3rd press Confrence will be the charm
clock management issues when you’re down 2 scores? Doug please.
It was fine. They needed to stop the Patriots on defense. They didn’t it was game over. Had that defense stopped the Patriots it would have been fine.
They didn’t really stop Brady at any point of the game.
Yeah except at the one yard line.
Seriously, what other media base grill a HC about decisions made by another teams HC he worked under?
It’s really unbelievable. Hey Doug, “Can you trash Andy Reid so I can write an interesting tweet?”
Miserable Philly CUNT media
Jeff McClane let him answer the question.
Lurie refuses to answer a single question about Roseman and decision-making in the organization.
Opaqueness abides.
He doesnt have to answer anything really.
Of course not but it does little to inspire confidence.
Maybe he’ll do it when they hire a new director of player personnel but I doubt it. Lurie has generally refused to provide clarity on this for several years now. I don’t expect it will change.
He’s never going to answer that. It’s rude.
It isn’t ‘rude’ at all. It is a pretty basic question about managerial roles and reporting hierarchy.
It isn’t ‘personal’ nor it is irrelevant. This is Lurie’s empty non-answer.
Reuben Frank @RoobCSN 5m5 minutes ago New Jersey, USA
Lurie: “Accountability will be the No. 1 priority for me. That goes for Howie and it goes for everybody.”
“Of all the partners on your team, who sucks?” That’s rude.
That question you just posed has nothing in all with what Reuben Frank asked.
Their was no negative connotations or assertions with Frank’s question. Frank didn’t question Roseman’s competence or belittle him.
Lurie just refuses to answer the question.
He isn’t going to answer the question. Will you still live?
No but why do you simply not acknowledge that Lurie won’t answer a perfectly valid question?
He doesn’t have to answer ANY questions. He is the owner.
LURIE says that once they hire the head of personnel, he will explain to everyone how Howie and everyone else will be head accountable..
“collaborative effort” means Howie isnt accountable…….again
It’s a really weak non-answer but been par for the course for Lurie in regards to how the FO operates & who has final say the past several years.
I don’t expect that that to change.
Collaborative approach is Bullshit! Every single regime no matter what power structure they use, Clllaborate on all Decisions, but whether.lurie wants to admit it or not, someone ultimately makes the final decision
at some point protecting your “friend” from criticism doesnt work
Of course. Lurie will get criticized for this after today and rightfully so.
Just refuses to answer a basic penitent question.
Weasel behavior… Im fine with him making Howie the GM, but grow some balls and OWN IT
Wow Jimmy Kempski, that tie looks like it came from a discount rack from Marshall’s from 1997. Eeesh.
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LEHIGH!!!
Noooooooooo
Claims Its more Of a new hybrid offense, instead of traditional west coast offense, and he claims things were be tailored around his players.. Chip said the same thing, but he was full of shit.. Doug has so much experiemce, I kind of belíeve him, since it’s the smart thing to do
For Doug, he isn’t married to his scheme, so changing it is simple. For Chip, he was philosophically married to his scheme, so changing it meant that his philosophies on football were wrong, and he refused to go down that path.
I’ll believe it when I see it. You can blame Chip for lying about “tailoring his scheme for players”.
Doug it’s ok to let everyone know that we’re going to the 4-3. You hired Schwartz..for the 4-3 right? RIGHT?????
I think Schwartz used 3-down linemen on a 4th and 30 with 20 seconds left in the game a couple times.
Other than that . . .
he mixed it up a lot in Buffalo, sometimes there were only 3 down lineman,but many times they played in a base 4-3 under
he likes to switch up looks throughout the game….i’ve also seen him implement a 3-3-5 look many times which was pretty effective during his year in Buffalo
Great intel.
Thx!
WHat is with all of the questions about Sam Bradford. The guy just got freaking hired!!!
Because the QB is more important than the head coach. Bro.
He just got hired.
I could be the head coach if Aaron Rodgers was the QB.
No you couldn’t
and in three years he will have just been fired
That is not true at all. If you had Peyton manning and the coach put in 7 year old to block for him you would lose.
Lurie much more cagey about Bradford.
WISELY.
Every compliment = more “$”.
Replay the conference with a register sound ringing in the background.
Lurie knows what to say and what not to say — DP has to learn that craft…like when they ask about what happened in KC — better response is “today is about the Eagles” …
Like do these reporters think that Howie sits in a room by himself, grubbing onto his “power”, with the door closed, and he’s just sending in the draft choices? I mean come on.
Can we fire all of these reporters? They suck.
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Howie to Chip.
By comparison . . .
Giants’ intro PC for Ben McAdoo lasted less than 25 minutes.
No questions answered by anyone except McAdoo — whose response about the coaching staff was “it’s still fluid” and about the players was “everyone’s being evaluated.” Wouldn’t budge from that.
Thanks. Lurie clearly overshadowed Pederson today too.
Didn’t help Pederson seemed nervous and through out a ton of cliches.
It’s tough to speak as the #1 head honcho for your first time. I saw it recently at my company – new CEO, first presentation to the company was kinda shaky, but every time thereafter he was more and more polished. It ain’t easy.
Pederson’s not a CEO, that’s Lurie. Petey’s more like a middle manager overseeing accounting or something.
Public speaking is always a pain in the ass.
Coach is COO.
hmmm, research started late in the season —- funny that also mid-way through the season — Andy gave DP the reigns in the second half — to groom him as a HC. Coincidence?
Get Real… Howie started the research the day his office was moved to the other end of the building lol… You know LURIE has been in Howies ears for months “How much longer are you going to let this guy destroy your franchise”.. Lol
think Howie and pederson have the same agent, wouldn’t be surprised if that worked through back channels.
It’s really interesting to have started process mid-season, have 25 candidates, but in the end it comes down to “andy reid said so”.
At this point it is semantics.
This press conference said very little today except:
– Pederson will call the plays next year
– They are going to hire a dir of player personnel/evaluation
– Schwartz will be the DC (already known)
If you watched it, he really stressed that Andy was “one of many”
Not as pithy of a tweet though.
Most glaring item for me.
Pederson, in his first public appearance as HC and facing a hoard of media . . .
Does NOT have a prepared text or even a note card when he steps to the lectern.
If nothing else, prepared remarks — or written bullet points — ensures you stick to your message. And avoid brain-cramps.
Well . . . we’ll see where things go from here.
Sign of self-confidence?
Could be.
I’m a very confident attorney. Tried lots and lots of cases. Argued lots and lots of appeals.
I’d never stand up in front of a panel of judges or a jury without some notes.
We both know if he obviously had a stack of notes then the press would be calling him out for having things pre-written for him and not being confident in himself.
Or rookie mistake.
learning from years of listening to philly media?
Honestly I think that’s a stylistic thing. When I do presentations at work, I will never prepare for them, because I don’t want a talk track in my head. I prefer to wing it, but a lot of people want to have notes to fall back on. To each their own I think.
Im the same way. Different strokes for different folks..
Hehe, we already know that you’re the stream-of-thought, type, GEAGLE 🙂
Really interesting point – as usual.
You’re one attorney I would probably really enjoy grabbing a beer with (as long as you were hitting me with your hourly rate).
My question is, what notes would he take though? He doesnt know what questions the media will ask and if he gives pre meditated answers he looks like much more of a puppet. Personally I appreciated h Pedersons appearence. It felt fairly genuine and while I also got the feeling he was in ocer his head a bit, sometimes that’s the best place to be.
Was Doug’s major Improv Acting in college?
Can’t say my opinion of Pederson changed one way or another after that press conference.
It was interesting to see him say he was going to call the plays (and take the heat) if this offense scuffles again.
Not everybody is made to command a media room. That’s why I’m hoping his presser isn’t an indication on how he handles the locker room…
it probably is
Well, Chip was cocky and arrogant with the media. That did not turn out so well. Dougie here seems to at least not have an abrasive persona. Lets just try that on for size. And remember, Andy, who was beloved among his players, was freaking horrible at PC’s.
I did like that Pederson explained how this will be a more player driven team instead of a schematic team.
In Howie we trust . . .
Trust or distrust, not like anyone has a choice,,. people are constantly growing and evolving thru different experiences. hopefully Howie has evolved for the better. I can’t stand repeating the same mistakes. Mistakes need to be used as learning experiences that you grow from..
We’ve heard that before… hopefully Pederson stands by this word. If he can do that, he’s already ahead of Chip. I liked hearing that from Chip, I hate that Chip basically lied to us about it.
Yeah but chip never meant it.. He was intent on proving his alternative style could win at this level… I don’t know if I ever seen a coach so married to a scheme s chip
Lurie’s ’25 candidates’ got inflated from Jaworski’s ’22 candidates’
I think Jaws said from 20 to 25. I do see a report of “22” but that may have been someone hearing “twenty to twenty five” and mentally just registering “twenty to” as “twenty two”.
Howie Roseman declined comment through trailing team spokesman as I chased after him. He walked out side door in auditorium.
-McLane
wow
lil JJ in Jeffrey now? uh oh
Such Bullshit… If this bullshit is actually true, Id bet 99% of the time Lure willll go with Howie’s opinipn
great to have the owner doing that.
Lurie taking a more active role in decisions, the key to Super Bowl champions.
FO clearly a mess. But i’m sure Lurie won’t have another coach drop revenue producing players
I don’t buy it. Lure is suddenly become highly meddlesome?
Roseman is in charge. Lurie should just have come out today – “We have a collaborative process but Roseman will be in charge while we hire a dir. of player personnel who will play an important role along with Pederson’s input”
Well he did say he’ll address this issue when he hires a head of personnel..
He did and we’ll see. I just don’t expect Lurie to change his tune after doing this for a few years now.
RS77:
Lurie made two interesting, intersecting points (for me, at least).
(i) He relentlessly declined to elaborate on the front office structure, saying that will come after the new personnel guy is hired.
(ii) He very clearly said that Roseman will be held accountable, as will Pederson and the new personnel guy, for what happens with this team.
The word “accountable” seems to have taken on a new weight in Lurie’s lexicon since canning Kelly.
Whomever the Eagles hire in the personnel position, what I heard Lurie say is Roseman’s on the clock.
Howie will certainly make the final call on personnel… Is there really any doubt?
Depending on who we hire, sure.
Well, we have a Snyder and a Jones in the division, now we have a Lurie.
With Schwartz as the DC and Reich as the OC how do you feel this staff is shaping up? There’s also Fipp as ST, which I love and Undlin with the secondary. I’m pretty “meh” on Stoutland but overall it looks promising at the least.
is Reich OC? I’m going to miss Shurm-dog.
not announced yet as far as I know
Should have clarified Reich/ Shurmur as leading OC candidates by the sounds of it.
Allegedly they haven’t decided on an OC yet. Ironic since media reported that we had an OC but were still waiting from an answer from Schwartz… Shows how bad the media is
“Allegedly . . . ”
The word “allegedly” means a statement for which there is, as yet, no proof.
We just saw Doug Pederson say on camera he has not decided on the offensive coordinator.
What better proof exists than that?
I bet most of the guys in jail for 1st degree murder say they had no ill-will towards the victim, too…
who would want to be OC if Doug is calling the plays?
Pat Shurmur is used to that role.
a lackey GM and a lackey OC, whats not to love lol. In Doug we trust…..errr I mean Schwartz?…maybe
DC – hey you — here’s the defense — you get to do whatever you want. Hey OC — I’ll take if from here…lol. I know. lots of places do that…
Jason Garrett
An experienced, aging NFL assistant coach and former O-coordinator who’s been relegated to a position job.
Basically, a Pat Shurmur type — which is not, unfortunately, a compliment to Shurmur.
Not sure why anyone is upset over this concept. It’s in place in pretty much EVERY NFL team. Quick, who is Rex Ryan’s DC? Does it matter? No.
The structure is not unusual nor it is a problem. The only problem would be if the play calling is bad, whoever is doing it.
Rex’s DC is his brother Rob. What fun that will be to watch from afar.
I recall that from recent updates. But quick, who was the DC this past year?
I think it was the secondary coach (Thurman?) from the Jets when they were on Hard Knocks, but I’m not sure.
Dennis Thurman…I wonder what role his brother will really have
When it was announced, I pictured Buddy cornering Rex and saying “Rex, you know your brother needs a job ….”
After watching the press conference live, I observed one thing that really stood out…Reuben Frank and Jeff McLane have a serious personal dislike of Howie Roseman. The tone of their voice and the phrasing of their questions were somewhat combative, in an apparent attempt to bait Lurie. I could be wrong, it just seemed like that live. Oh, and phrasing your questions “the fans would like to know” is pretty shitty journalism. These guys have led the pack in attacks on the front office, don’t push it off that the fans want to know and you are just doing your job. The fans that bash the front office are being led by the media, not the other way around.
One other journalistic observation, Jimmy K., writer of everything snarky and negative, sat there silently. Come on, you show up to a press conference with no questions at all? Journalizm!
He was too busy on MS Paint
JIMMY KEMPSKI: *furiously drawing a stick figure with Pederson’s head*
Did Howie steal Chip’s soul too?
Interesting how McLane gets no answer but Les does.
aka ‘used the year to find a new head coach’ aka ‘used the year to figure out how he was going to spend his extra $$’
Basically was how to get rid of Kelly. Mission accomplished.
Lurie should come out and say Roseman is in charge. Just baffled why he refuses to do so publicly.
I don’t have a high opinion of Roseman but he (as well as Pederson) certainly should give given at least 2 (and I argue at least 3) years to prove what they can do while they are in charge.
“Looking forward to start working with SAM in the spring”-Coach Pederson..
Hmm interesting.. Tag n resign by the sounds of it.. Sam along with a draft QB il be keen
Yes sir…
Will Barwin be the SAM in the 4-3?
Not outside the realm of possibility. I want to hear more about Frodo’s friend Sam. He wouldn’t have got very far without him.
I think that was clear when you saw him play decently his first game without Chip.
decently?
Decently = Actually recording an NFL stat.
For MSII that is quite the accomplishment.
If that was his first ever game you’d say it was a good start. Hard to get going when the coach, who has a personal vendetta against the guy who picked you, doesn’t want you on the field.
he’d played in several games before. But agree he should have clean slate
Eh who cares now. Chip clearly didn’t want him and it showed on the field.
Unless I missed it – interesting that Undlin and Duce (!) were not confirmed for coaching jobs. For Undlin – Schwartz fit problems or Schwartz has a guy? On Duce – I’m betting they want to keep all three (Duce, Reich, Shurmur) and have to figure out titles and pay to make that happen.
DUCE remaining on as the RB coach… Undlin keeping his job too
Did weasel Chip have his press Confrence yet? Can’t wait to hear what bullshit he has in store for those poor San Fran simpletons..
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If there is a football God, TrentBaalke will force chip and shity Charechter Kapernick work together… Must see TRAINWRECK!
We are quite the cynical bunch after that press conference aren’t we?
Listening to both WIP & 97.5 during the past couple of weeks was embarrassing for the hosts and callers
In regards to Reich if he is the next OC.. Seen a few of the Chargers games this year.. Alot of their runs were from shotgun.. Their running game wasnt that good either doesnt help with Gordon fumbling.. But just the constant running from shotgun kinda irks me reminds me of Chips style of running.. Or was that McCoy the HC style?
Don’t worry, Murray ran out of the shotgun in college…
Is this where I come to determine how good of a coach Doug Pederson will be solely on his press conference?
Yes
This is where we all complain about the media while lapping up every slimy gobbet of content they provide us (for free).
I’d hardly call it free. You pay with sanity.
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Haha, you guys are right on target. I was thinking about WOD, but these are great.
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He didn’t win the press conference, did he? What a loser!
His high water mark already. Down hill from here.
610 WIP and 97.5 are probably better indicators….they already have Doug’s coaching career all mapped out
Rich Kotite was a better coach!
I just turned the station on and heard that! You have to laugh.
Really? haha. Sports talk radio listeners are so predictable in Philly.
Art imitates life. Yes, there was a caller who compared him to Kotite.
Re: Taking Pederson’s Words to the Bank . . .
We’d like to believe what we just heard from the new HC, right? From the staff to what the team may do about Sam Bradford.
So, on the subject of “head-coach speak” . . . here’re a few quotes from Chip Kelly’s 01/16/13 introductory press conference as the Eagles new head coach
— covering some of the same topics as Pederson today:
“The passion of this franchise was very, very evident. . . . I’m excited. I know about the fan base in Philadelphia, and that excites me.”
“Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There’s a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have? The key is making sure what you’re doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
“I’ve heard questions about “I want control over this. I want control over that.” I want to coach football. It’s a collaboration.”
“The perception is we run our quarterback all of the time. Reality is that’s not the case. . . . I’m a huge fan of Nick Foles. He’s tough. . . . He’s a competitor. He’s accurate. And I’m excited about that.”
Great Scott! We have hired Chip Kelly again!
What is so irksome is reading this after 3 years of scheme trumping players. My major beef with Kelly in the end is that a lot of the talk wasn’t backed up.
So much of his talk was just well talk. And the worst thing was that he showed us at time just how multiple and effective his scheme was! I firmly believe if he had expanded the offense from his first two years he would still be here. But it seems he decided to get more conservative and it is the most confusing thing I have ever seen with a coach like Chip.
If he had just kept the guys he had — though i liked getting sammy – maybe we’d be in playoffs.
Sammy throwing to Maclin, Ertz, Matthews and Djax?
so close to being different. CK still here with some catches and kicks, its nuts
I do think it’s wise to have some reservations towards Pederson’s comments, but I doubt he will let out as much BS as Chip did, then again that’s a mighty high bar
You mean that new coaches used well-worn cliches in their initial press conference . . .
Exactly.
McAdoo trotted them out time after time last week.
I expect Chip to say the same tomorrow at his press conference
Ah yes, the McAdoo press conference…
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/boy-big-man-s-suit-boots-nads-sides-14950690.jpg
Journalists ask a-hole or boring questions, HC gives pat answer. Biggest takeaway from the PC is Schwartz as DC and Lurie’s rise to power.
On play-calling: according to an ESPN article last year, only about 1/3 of head coaches in the league handle play-calling. (http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/12713/arians-is-1-of-10-head-coaches-to-call-plays)
In general, according to the article, those teams fared poorly (only one made the playoffs). Inexperienced play caller and first time HC – I’m hoping that DPs decision to call plays isn’t something that sticks for very long…
Well, at least after the first game he won’t be a first time play caller anymore.
5 year K on a 3-year deal?
are you a lawyer?
yes, but some days it feels like i’m an eagles blocker *get’s back to work*
The K gave it away, or was a clue at least.
I’m still trying to figure out how to type the symbol for pi and delta, when the subject turns to plaintiffs and defendants
if you have windows you can use the built in character map.
hit your windows key and search for charmap. you’ll be able to find and copy every character that exists there.
thank you, both.
Google to the rescue.
Hold the Alt key, type these numbers:
π = Alt +227
δ = Alt + 235
ö = Alt + 916
Fantastic . . . thanks.
Apparently that delta code is inaccurate assuming you use the standard triangle capital delta. Have to use the character map like Insomniac said.
You’d think Pi would be Alt + 314
That means he’ll be the coach for the next five years for sure.
Question . . .
When did Roseman answer questions?
Post-presser in the hallway?
Reporters were summizing yesterday that Howie needs to have his own presser later for two reasons.
1 – to not steal any of today’s thunder
2 – to wait until all of the front office hires are done
yeah was chased down by reporters while trying to make a hasty exit.
So I haven’t been keeping up with the comments as much since last week. Been busy. So if this has been brought up before, sorry.
I read somewhere that the Bills plan to release Mario Williams. He was a pretty poor fit for what Rex did (at least in year one). Wonder if we can get a decent deal on him in a “prove it” one year deal sort of move. Obviously, wouldn’t have any clue until a few weeks into FA period. If they could make it happen, I wouldn’t be upset at all.
I already feel like the talent on defense is elite. I felt they were elite under Bill D until they finally broke down around Thanksgiving (even though they bounced back a bit). Sure there are holes if we don’t get back a few of the FA, but its a good base. Really wouldn’t mind letting Ced walk and dropping some sheckles on Williams.
no $ if we keep brad. little money even if we don’t.
The $ on Williams will be insane. If he doesn’t want top dollar, expect him to chase a ring in New England.
Watch out for Jerry Jones and Dallas.
Hardy won’t be re-signed.
Aren’t they still in cap hell?
They are.
But somehow Hardy earned $8.8 million this season.
If he’s gone, and with the cap increasing, I’m assuming — and could be wrong — that Dallas could find the space for (formerly) Super Mario.
Heh I don’t think Williams wants to go to a loser team like Dallas at the near end of his career. I can see him going to the Panthers who have enough cap space and talent.
Could be.
But do the Panthers want a quitter like Mario?
I actually think the Panthers is the best fit for him. They’ve been winning and Williams has been on losing teams for all of his career.
Rivera has become more of a players coach and you know that he can coach a hell of a 4-3 defense. With all the other DL talent, he’ll be able to feast on QBs like he did in Buffalo.
Agreed.
He’d be a great fit in Carolina, assuming his enthusiasm returns.
IMO, he can stay the hell out of the NFC for the rest of his career unless he signs here for cheap!
It would be a great fit for sure. He could join a team that would be on the middle to upper echelon of mediocre for the rest of his career….OR he could come get in at the ground level of the longest dynasty in football.
I am already working on the blueprints for the Dougy P statue that will surely occupy a square somewhere one day.
i think they structured it so it was ‘not likely to be earned’ or something like that. Howie-level cap management.
Anon:
You’re spot on.
Hardy could have been easily cut at any point with little cap consequence.
If Mario wants to go to a cap-squeezed team, seems like Dallas has come up with — or at least made more public — this 1-year trick.
He had a pretty rough year. Just spit balling, but I could easily see him turning down a long term contract he doesn’t like for a 1 year prove it. He had a pretty good year under Jim… stranger things have certainly happened.
How are you going to sign Cox and Williams?
Williams is on a 1 year show me. So Cox isn’t even an issue at that point. Hopefully we can get Vinny on a nice back loaded deal and he will be pretty cheap this year.
He’s too much of a star to do a show me deal. Even Demarcus Ware didn’t do that.
I’m sorry I missed the free agent o line talk before.
My 2 (3) cents.
Mitchell Schwartz for RT.
Pick 1 journeyman level guard from this list
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/
No on Incognito. He’s a bad locker room guy and I don’t want him here with a first year coach.
Brandon Brooks, Amini Silatolu, J.R Sweezy, Jeff Allen, Kelechi Osemele, Cameron Fleming, Mitchell Swartz, Cordy Glenn, Bobbie Massie, Donald Stepheson.. Any one or 2 of these guys n il be stoked
JR Sweezy and Alex Boone would be my top 2 targets to sure up the interior.
Just say no to Massie.
Did Lurie say they had accumulated 22,000 pages on their possible coaching candidates? Am I correct?
Has Roseman started an intelligence-type service in the offseason? Sounds like the kind of crazy review you go through if you are have a high level security clearance.
I thought that was always kind of a joke until a friend did that for a position at Raytheon. They interviewed his childhood neighbors and elementary teachers.
All this time, I thought he was spending 60 hours a week buying paper clips and whatnot.
you guys think Peyton Manning is done after this year? How many more years for Brady, there is no slow down at all right now. He could play 4 more years. I’d guess 3.
My neighbor says to me this morning, the story is Tom Brady is going to beat Manning so bad he will retire. I was like, how convenient when he’s likely to retire anyway. It’s like the SB rings aren’t enough they have to create extra narratives.
It could be anytime soon. Peyton looked pretty good last year but Brady is a Patriot..so they must be sacrificing kittens, puppies, and baby dolphins to some dark god to remain successful.
Maybe I am biased because our shitty team gave them the business, but I think the Broncos are gonna put it on the Pats.
I just don’t think Manning can throw well in Denver in Jan. (he didn’t last week) They will need their defense to play awesome. It certainly can happen.
I really never understood why he went to denver instead of a place w/ warm weather or a dome. It’s clear his play deteriorates in winter AND he’ll generally have home field advantage – b/c peyton.
Probably didn’t have the self awareness to realize how bad he is in the cold.
You didn’t understand when they went to the Superbowl?
He couldn’t throw in early Sept when it was still in the 80’s either. His arm is shot with all the neck surgeries and father time being undefeated.
I live out here, all the fans were claiming there were a bunch of dropped passes in that game. I could relate. Still though, I said same thing, he was throwing some ducks out there. It just looks bad and if hes not playing well it may be too late for Brock to save them if they have to make the switch. I think Pats win
Peyton should be done but he may be stubborn and try one more year, think Brady has 4 years left in him
Aaaannndddd its official.
……
Billy Davis – DT – Free Agent
Eagles fired DC Billy Davis.
It goes without stating, really, that Davis obviously isn’t coming back now that new coach Doug Pederson has tabbed Jim Schwartz as the Eagles’ new defensive boss. Davis’ defenses were pretty ugly in his three years with Chip Kelly. The Eagles were 30th in total defense this season, finishing 28th against the pass and dead-last against the run. Davis could rejoin Kelly in San Francisco, but the 49ers are entertaining the idea of keeping DC Eric Mangini.
feel bad for him. If there was a college for teaching defense, he should teach there. Or follow DL to Tennessee.
I liked Billy Davis the person a lot, he was very well spoken and seemed to know the X’s and O’s of the game. Just too bad it didn’t translate to on field success.
Said it before Billy D great speaker but results show he was a bad DC before coming here.. Just like a fat personal trainer
Me2. I liked his pressers. It is like he had the smarts but just couldn’t show it on the field. The problem I had was his inability to bench players. Not benching Bradley Fletcher was his biggest downfall. It came down to accountability. Hicks would have never seen the field.
I hated the hire and nothing in 3 years changed that. He’s just not a good DC. In his defense Chip, being the control freak he is, wanted to run a pretty specific defense that I don’t think Billy was ever totally comfortable with.
might have ended his pro career. Seemed like a good guy for sure but I agree with the bad results is what mattered in the end.
Why? He was given a fair shake here and didn’t do well. It happens.
but has Cooper been cut yet?
They tried to do it by IM but he has Howie blocked.
+1
Unfortunately not.
Trade Cooper to Chip for some dungeness crab.
Cooper for Boldin straight up sounds good.
I don’t even want anything in return for Cooper. Just get him off my damn team already Howie.
Boldin is a FA
Even better, just cut Cooper outright and sign Boldin.
Sneak Maxwell and Murray in there too please
well then, if Chip was honest in his defense of Davis the past three years, then he should have no problem hiring Davis again.
And trading the house for Sam “Franchise” Bradford.
By DVOA, the Eagles’ D is #17. They faced the most possessions and the O, ranked #26, was also bad and thus putting them behind the 8 ball with bad field position and turnovers. Also, they got smashed by injuries at LB and DB. Taking these things into account, #17 is still not good enough, of course (they were ranked #10 last year). But the offense was the problem on this team.
Well said and agreed whole heartedly.
That being said, he had his flaws and I don’t mind seeing him go!
what’s the holdup on OC, does Reich have multiple suitors like Schwartz?
Play calling, maybe.
Seems that HCs who call their own plays have either much older, retread OCs (like Reid did in Rod Dowhower).
Or the OC is a up-and-comer like the Cards’ Harold Goodwin.
Reich kinda falls in between those categories.
Could be. Another reason to be annoyed that Doug will call his own plays.
I’m starting to think that Reich is just a rumor. Pederson did say that he’s still evaluating who’ll be OC in his conference.
read: “Howie hasn’t told me yet”
Being someone that will work so closely underneath him, thinking Pederson might get his choice of OC.
Maybe he is torn between Shurmur and Reich.. or even another candidate that we don’t know about.
well looking at today the biggest plus is getting Schwartz and the biggest negative is that Pederson will call the plays. Nothing against him as a play caller, I just think the more successful HC’s don’t do this. It’s too distracting.
I dunno, lots of good coaches have called their plays too. I know Billijerk did early on and may still do it on a part time basis. I even remember him trolling the media saying he may call offense one year. Reid, Shanahan, McCarthy, Payton, etc, etc.
Early on I think its best that he call the plays personally. In a few years after a couple rings are weighing his play sheet hand down he can turn the duties over.
I thinks its shared quite often right? If Im coming in as a HC I would want to have some of that responsibility since its your ass that takes the heat.
You mean unlike.Andy Reid?!
McCarthy announced he is taking back play calling…as if that will solve tbeir problems
he took it back midseason. They need to take a WR high, also need ILB help bad, maybe we can trade them kiko.
The only meaningful takeaway from Doug Pederson’s first press conference is this: He is not in charge. He looked uncomfortable in his own skin. It appears as though Jim Schwartz was chosen for him. When announcing the DC hire, he didn’t take ownership, this is why I wanted him here with me…etc.
take it to the bridge
Pederson had no notes.
No points he wanted to make written down.
He may have wanted to say something similar to what you just wrote.
But, in the glare of the moment, he stood up there and winged it.
HELL . . . Pederson thanked the Chiefs before remembering to thank Lurie!!!
You think Pederson will have a list plays on the sidelines every week, broken down into down and distance and formation and defense?
Of course . . . otherwise, he may forget something. And the guy’s called plays before. But he still shows up with a play sheet.
That’s why, in your 1st appearance as a HC — something you’ve never done — you bring notes.
So you have one less thing to worry about . . . and you can take control of the room.
Did Pederson take control of the Room? No way.
Lurie did, once he started answering questions.
Go back to Chip Kelly’s or Andy Reid’s first press conference. Put aside the platitudes, they took control the room.
Sorry to say, Pederson did not.
He may turn out to be a great coach. Just would have liked to have seem more focus and adrenalin.
Opposite of Chip is… drumroll… UNPREDICTABLE.
Here we go!
“He may turn out to be a great coach. Just would have liked to have seen more focus and adrenalin.”
Havnt we learned not to analyze anything of a coach first PC? Remember how we all loved Kelly at his first PC, because he was so anti Reid?
Also the media was much more friendly towards Kelly in his first PC. There was no questions about why he lost to Stanford and therefore missed the chance at the Natty or other mishaps he did with Oregon.
yeah. another example – he said he would evaluate the other coaching positions, no decision yet, and now he says Duce will stay. So either he forget to mention he decided on Duce already, or he evaluated Duce in the hour after the PC, or Howie/Lurie pulled him aside after the PC to tell him Duce would be staying. But i expected him to be told what staff he was to keep, so not surprised with this. I am glad he is keeping Duce and Fipp and Stoutland.
I was buying into Lurie’s talk about being comfortable in own skin and being genuine (seemed like a sideways swipe at Kelly) and i was imagining Pederson as this completely confident/genuine/comfortable guy, kinda guy that lights up a room when enters it sort of personality (barely have heard from him before so who really knew his personality on a stage like this)
The one thing i would say about him after the PC (even if Lurie did not mention it) is that he seemed uncomfortable in his own skin up there, but that is fine because it is such a new, stressful situation, and sure he will grow more comfortable in the spotlight…
No notes.
That’s what you get.
hey how do you feel about him not having notes?
How’s the word “frustrated” sound?
Actually . . . disappointed because it reflects on Lurie, Roseman, and Smolenski as well.
First impressions and all . . .
I hear you. But it’s just the first press conference.
It’s because he thought Roseman and Lurie would be doing all the talking.
Keeping Duce is not a good idea… Especially for Duce
Pederson added that he called Kansas City’s plays in the second half of every game since Week 7. Before Pederson took over second half play-calling, the Chiefs went 1-5. After, they finished the regular season with 10 consecutive wins. Philadelphia’s new head coach confirmed he will call plays for the Eagles.
Hmm interesting
Defense, defense, defense and just enough scoring.
what were the scores at half time during the win streak? who returned from injury? who got hurt etc etc….kind of a blank statement to say he’s the reason…too many factors….
So I went through the points scored in the 2nd half of when Pederson started calling plays for the Chiefs. The numbers used were only for the offensive side of the ball since you know..the Chiefs have a defense that can score.
134 points scored over a span of 12 games
Average of 11.167 points per half
That doesn’t sound too great but I think their offense would have been different if Jamaal Charles wasn’t done for the year.
do you know how many points were scored in the first half when Reid was calling the plays?
I think it was pretty similar, I’d have to check later.
Don’t forget that advantageous filed position.
Re: Is Roseman Really the Oz of NovaCare?
Lurie made quite a big deal about (i) hiring a personnel guy, and (ii) holding Roseman and everyone else accountable . . . the way he held Kelly accountable, presumably.
If Lurie was interested in hiring what amounts to a wing-man for Roseman, why even talk about it? Just make the move.
But if Lurie’s not as impressed with Roseman’s personnel decisions, draft choices and FA signings during his reign, as he once claimed to be . . .
Then maybe the “vote” of this new personnel guy will have more weight than the votes of Pederson and Roseman.
Otherwise, if Lurie’s not gonna go “Animal Farm” with the new personnel guy, why even bother?
The guy’ll be nothing but a glorified scout. Seems like a lot of noise to make for the hiring of a glorified scout.
NOTE: The comments full of curse words disparaging Lurie as a women’s sexual organ haven’t been particularly persuasive that Roseman’s the GM.
Sometimes you can have too many chefs in the kitchen. If you’re having a “collaboration” between 4-5 different people tells me that you don’t trust any of them.
my guess is Lurie wants to do sorta what the Phillies set up currently looks like. MacPhail is the old school baseball czar with a ton of experience and relationships built up through the years but the main area he is not good at is analytics. So they went out and hired a young GM versed in that area that will work with MacPhail to rebuild the team. Howie has his strengths (cap,free agency, trades, draft pick value) but isn’t the best talent elevator so I think Lurie wants to bring in someone with a scouting background to help produce better drafts so Marcus Smith and Danny Watkins and Jaiquawn Jarrett doesn’t happen again.
can Doug get something out of Bradford I wonder?
he is the best option so keep him and draft someone too.
look what the skins did, RG# and Cousins a few rounds later? that was bold but paid off.
Those were also 2 QBs on cheap rookie deals. Bradford is going to cost a lot so it isn’t the same kind of situation.
right, ok draft 2 great rookie qbs then. how’s that?
That works with me.
all starts w/ OL. If that OL breaks down cousins will revert, see Nick Foles. Hope they pay him a boatload though.
cousins is 10 times more athletic then big nick, but I hear ya.
Yeah, so Cousins was recruited to play NCAA Div I basketball, too?
It was bold, but definitely didn’t pay off. They gave up a King’s Ransom for RGIII and he flopped. Cousins played great against crappy teams this year and bad against good teams. The Skins are probably going to give him a big contract based on 1 real season as a starter. See how that worked out for the Rams with Nick Foles.
it did pay off, because they won the division with rg3 first year, then when he ended up sucking after injury they had a guy to replace him that played well. and the crazy thing about the kings ransom paid for the pick is, what did it do for the rams? nada.
the skins made the playoffs without the guy the paid the ransom for and the rams had to move. and still trade for a qb
saw something that Det won 1 more playoff game by choosing megatron vs oakland w/ jamarcus
But they still suck and have a suspect QB, unless you view Cousins as a franchise QB, I’m not sure how giving up those draft picks was a win for them.
giving the picks wasn’t a win for the rams either though.. so that goes to show how tough drafting is.
cousins is good, its easy to say he sucked but his last 10 games were pretty sick this year.
yea the Skins have two division titles and the Rams have yet to be over .500 since the trade
exactly, a weird thing since it was such a big trade up with all those picks.
In his last 10 games he played bad against the Patriots and the Jets. All the other teams he was great against were bad teams with losing records. If I remember correctly, the Skins did not beat 1 team with a winning record this year at all. Not sure I would hang my hat on him. As the others have said, I hope the Skins give him a huge contract with lots of guaranteed money.
That’s what I remember saying when the Cowboys signed Romo…
If we could beat the bad teams life wud be mo ‘betta
We beat the Patriots and Jets but couldn’t beat other lame teams.
Well, he’s used to working with Alex Smith, a temperamentally similar QB.
ok the room seems about 60:40 in favor of getting rid of Pederson. Tough town.
Ayyyeee? lol Based off what? This room or press conference room??
we’re from Philadelphia, we fight all choices equally
Im down on the FO, not Doug. Love Schwartz pickup also. I think theres a difference there
Keep Bradford and Cox and I’ll support anything, especially since I’m pleased with our new DC
The Schwartz Pickup … new movie or new Ram Tough ad
Are you down on the front office because you think the made a bad decision?
Lol I wanted Roseman to be made available to the media.. I could have done without it had I known he was gonna stare at the floor the entire time and look like he was trying his hardest not to cry..
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I could Also do without all the “Trust me” from Lurie…
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Dougie started off looking as a nervous wreck, but he got comfortable and came off solid. Schwartz also came off pretty well
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Ultimately none of this crap matters, but it was a solid first impression..
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To no surprise, some media came off as classless and Bush league, but that’s to be expected by now… I would Help pay his Salary of ESPN or some National media outlet would come rescue philly fans from Trashy Jeff McLane… Wish ESPN would have poached McLane and gave us back Kapadia…
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You feel the loss of Kapadia at every eagle press Confrence, he always used what access he had to consistently ask quality questions and do his job professionally and with class. He had a way of asking Tough questions, without being a prick about it like McLane so Kapadia would actually be able to get some answers, instead of McLane who just gets into a pissing battle with Lurie or the coach, they get defensive, and we come away with no info. Zack Berman is pretty solid at asking tough questions without making it confrontational
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Hopefully Lurie and the Eagles will be a little more transparent with the front Office structure once they are done hiring Marynowitz’s replacement… ESPECIALLY Now that Lurie wants to repeatedly talk that “TRUST ME” shit
“He had a way of asking Tough questions, without being a prick about it like McLane so Kapadia would actually be able to get some answers, instead of McLane who just gets into a pissing battle with Lurie or the coach, they get defensive, and we come away with no info ”
This can apply to real life so much!
True that
Roseman looking down showed me he was digging into his emotional intelligence..
His explanation for the Chief’s final drive was absolutely painful.
I am willing to give him a chance, but an inability for the Eagles to run a two minute drill will be absolutely inexcusable. I can’t go through that again.
He better have some kind of “Special assistant for knowing how to run a friggin two minute drill like every other team in the league” or it’s going to get ugly fast for Pederson in Philadelphia.
shurmur! Given how effective tempo can be and that everyone is used to running it i think it’s silly not to have a tempo package.
He should never have answered the question. He should have responded with a “that’s a KC thing, we’re here to discuss the future of the Eagles. Next question”….
Classless question shouldn’t have even been asked
agreed.
Well i hope that Lurie had already asked him !!!
Classless was being asked how it felt not being the first choice.
You can’t highlight your experience without being expected to answer for the things you were responsible for during that tenure.
Pederson is starting out with two strikes against him when it comes to clock management. He should be aware of that and his answer to that question showed he may not be.
I didn’t say never answer. Today isn’t the time nor place. Today was about a new HC and direction of a team. That question, and answer, means absolutely nothing today.
Cool to hear he answers questions however .. stiil. Before it becomes coaching blah blah blah
Called 2nd half since Pittsburgh game, meaning since he did that they were 11-1. Lost the last game, when as he was marching down the final drive he was probably thinking….
Damn, can’t go too fast here or we might actually pull this off. I need me some Schwartz and he’s probably off the market if I’m not officially the Eagles’ HC after this game.
good point
He should invest 50K of his own money just to make he never ever has to deal w that presser
To be fair it could have been Andy’s plan, but he didn’t want to just throw Reid under the bus.
I’m desperately hoping he didn’t sign up for on side kick is more likely than KC’s great D getting a stop
I don’t buy his answer, so I don’t think that was the plan.
It’s not just play calling. It’s something that needs to be practiced. The team needs to be comfortable with it. The players should be able to do it instinctively. The Chiefs players did not look like they knew what they were doing out there, much like the Eagles players under Reid. Early in the drive they actually had a receiver fight to stay in-bounds for an extra yard. Spiking the ball before the 2 minute drill was not even attempted.
So yeah, that could all be on Reid, which was your point.
Wonder if he was also responsible for all FA acquisitions.
Yeah but did you hear him say it? It sounded like he was just trying to stand tall and take full responsibility for everything, without wanting to get into specifics about who was really responsible for what… Sounded like someone who was just taking the Bullet, no matter what you asked him, I think he would have took the blame. He didn’t sound genuine about it being his fault, came off like he was trying to be the better man……. I don’t think we know anything more than we knew before he spoke… You could have asked him if he shot Kenmedy and he would have took responsibility for it…. He didn’t sound like he was Genuinly saying that it was really his fault, more of a case of “I take responsibility for anything that happened when I was the GM”.. Seemed to take the high road in all chip related issues.
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Id bet that if we asked him today whos call It was to draft Huff in the 3rd and Hart in the 5th, he would have taken responsibility for it too and in reality Howie probably saved us from chip Draftimg those two earlier in the draft , so I don’t think we really learned anything about who was really responsible for individual moves, sounded like he was going to accept responsibility for everything, didmt sound genuine to me… But in title he was the GM! So he was smart to take the blame instead of blaming chip and starting more drama. He took the blame, now it’s in the past
But we are hoping MS2 is bettrr than we think right .. hoping Chip was pissed so chip was a downpressorman on him
Lined up at RDE in this scheme on passing downs . . .
I think — just like Colts 1st-Rd bust Jerry Hughes — MSII can have some real success.
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Sweet insight Cowlings! Thanks
“. . . trying to stand tall . . . just taking the bullet . . . ”
excellent take away
Schwartz is very good at putting pressure on Qb’s……very happy with his hire
Think this is best comment. Wonder if what made Kiko / Kendricks bad is that they had to “read” first when those guys are more “reaction” guys.
as you probably already know, but i feel it needs to be reiterated how well Kiko played under Schwartz his rookie year, hope the guy gets healthy
Kiko has never played for Schwartz.
your right my mistake
Kiko played for Petine, he was hurt the year under Schwartz
That was Petine not Swartz
On top of that being Mike Pettine’s defense, Kiko also played the MIKE backer and that position I assume would go to Jordan Hicks. IMO Kiko will be playing the WILL position.
but but they both suck at it.
Kendricks can’t read but he can react
Kiko can read but he can’t react.
Kiko can read?. Listening to him speak you would think he is only capable of reading Dr. Seuss picture books.
If im not mistaken, doesn’t he usually employ Zone Schemes for his Secondary?
if that’s true then there’s some good zone CBs in the draft..
everything from man, zone to man under
Not accurate.
Here’s an article discussing Schwartz’s mixed-coverages approach — as well as all other aspects of his defense — to Rex Ryan’s scheme.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bills-news-notes/2015/1/13/7536851/rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-buffalo-bills-defense-donnie-henderson
Thornton?? Not a name i would have thought of attacking.. No mention of Logan
Washburn kept Thornton when he was here.
Thornton was seen as a 1 gap player coming out and choice is as an udfa because of Washburn
Chip Kellys San Fran press Confrence is tomorrow
That’ll be must watch TV..lol
Chip is just going to regurgitate what he said here in his first press conference. The niners fans are going to be the same as we were before everything Chip-related turned sour.
“Gone, per a source with knowledge of the situation, are offensive coordinator Geep Chryst (pictured), quarterbacks coach Steve Logan, receivers coaches Adam Henry and Ronald Curry, secondary coach Tim Lewis, defensive line coach Scott Brown, defensive assistants Ejiro Evero and Aubrayo Franklin, and offensive assistants T.C. McCartney and Joe Scola.”
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that’s from profootballtalk (I’m not responsible for their corrections) …. as side humor — I wonder if anybody in 49’er land is yelling racism….
It’ll come. I’m just wondering what new things could be said about Chip Kelly.
I know Pederson didn’t want to own up to it today but he DOES have terrible clock management. You were 14 points down in the 4th quarter. and you go on a 5 minute long drive with 6 minutes left? I’m sorry but giving the ball back to Brady (who’s still up by 7 points) with a minute left in the game doesn’t cut it.
hopefully he learns from mistakes….
3rd coach’s the charm right?
That’s what we said about Andy Reid, then Chip Kelly was even worse. Why is it so hard to find a coach that does a little self scouting and is able to see what’s obvious to half the fans and every wannabe sportswriter with a blog?
I can see the logic behind it. You are two TD’s down, and with the time left you legitimately only have an opportunity to possess it twice. That means your penultimate drive (the one in question) needs, absolutely requires you to get a TD. You can’t do anything without getting a TD on that drive, so get it right. They did that, and still had timeouts to work with.
It all comes down to the onside kick, and they knew that. They weren’t going to kick off normally to Brady and let him score again, because that’s game over.
Was it confirmed that Greg Lewis is the new WR coach?
Not yet. Last I heard they were bringing him in for an interview, haven’t heard anything on the topic since.
I haven’t even heard that. Eskin said he was a possibility, but i haven’t seen anything about an interiew.
In all likelyhood, he won’t catch the plane after security jams him at the line.
LMAO!!!
Ha NICE.. was trying to make a funny but i fail. You make good funny.
You sir win the internet today.
I showed this exchange to my wife. She said the comment about winning the Internet always bothers her, “You don’t WIN the Internet.”
“No, YOU don’t win the Internet.” I replied. So, looks like I’ll have more time to read Iggles Blitz for a while…
I would love greg Lewis as a wr coach. Bring avant here too!!
Rams wanting to interview Shurmur
Jeff Fisher trying to re-discover the “Nick Foles Fountain of Greatness”?
I am pumped for Schwartz’s defense but i was pretty depressed by some of the press conference.
I don’t like the fact Pederson will be calling plays.. get a good OC to do it and manage the game and your team well.
I didn’t like him saying Peters and Celek were players he looked forward to working with… Celek’s $5mil is an extravagance we really cannot afford, but i suspect he will be kept around as a bridge to the old Andy days.
And i especially did not want Bradford retained… and Pederson seems quite positive about him.
All that adds up to letting some guys walk in FA and nothing to really spend to replace them. Hope Howie/Personnel guy come tap Pederson and say sorry we need to go shoot some old dogs out back.
Could he have been buttering up Celek and Peters before they are approached about a pay cut? “Hey guys, the new coach really wants you here, but we can’t afford to pay you like you are 5 years younger.”
Pederson . . . Good Cop.
Roseman . . . Bad Cop.
Reid..Good Cop
Banner…Bad Cop
Don’t worry about PC platitutdes. They’re going to talk positively about everyone, including guys that they will jettison in a few weeks.
Pederson has to be positive about Bradford if we are going to get someone to trade for him after we franchise him.
Here’s the plan: http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-should-let-sam-bradford-go-not-without-compensation/
It makes sense, so I assume it is also what Howie Roseman wants to do.
Isn’t that nice? With Howie Roseman back in charge we as fans can go back to predicting what the Eagles will probably do by “what makes sense”
Schwartz didn’t come here for a rebuild.
I’m fine with Schwartz making the Eagles D devastating while the offense Hinkies us into some decent draft picks.
Who knows? After a few years of that, Schwartz may be offered a head coaching gig… with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Can’t make Bradford play here if he doesn’t want to.
But if that’s what the Eagles want, then I hope Bradford’s on board.
Ha, that’s funny. Making sense will be refreshing.
As far as what today’s presser actually meant
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A little sad to see tempo / spread offense leave. I think that’s a mistake offense put up huge numbers for 2 years. While it undoubtedly needed some tweaking it was way more effective than what we’ve seen elsewhere.
I would laugh if Shurm and Bradford go back to STL.
No more St. Louis.
Sunny SoCal . . . where Sam’s look would fit right in.
But there may be some bad blood between Bradford and Fisher.
Also Bradford and GM Les Snead.
But probably not any problems that a 5-year $100MM contract couldn’t cure.
I am so happy chip kelly offense is gone
Great article breaking down how Schwartz’s approach compares the Rex Ryan’s.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bills-news-notes/2015/1/13/7536851/rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-buffalo-bills-defense-donnie-henderson
Re: Jim Schwartz Playing Money Ball — NYTimes Profile
Back in 2008, NYT sports reporter Judy Batista wrote an interesting article exploring Schwartz’s use of analytics.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bills-news-notes/2015/1/13/7536851/rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-buffalo-bills-defense-donnie-henderson
Schwartz is Georgetown grad w/ and Econ degree.
It sounds like Schwartz would be appealing to Howie Roseman.
FIXED.
Thx
Great link. Thanks!
Eckel is reporting that the Eagles want both Reich and Shurmur – whichever one doesn’t get the OC job will be offered the QB coach job. With DP planning on calling plays, they could get neither. Shurmur rolled the dice 3 years ago hoping to ride the Kelly offense to another HC job. Didn’t happen, but he still probably raised his profile from where it was then. Staying now would be a step back – moreso if he’s concerned with how DP will do. The LA Rams situation is less than ideal, given the QB situation, but is better than here for him. Reich has a much shorter resume and seemingly fewer options, but I would expect he’d also hold out as long as possible to try and land some place where he could improve his profile. As others have posted previously, both have been listed on lists of future HCs, and Reich in particular had been a hot name for a while.
Possibly the first test of the new regime. Are they willing to lose both candidates and go all in with DP calling plays, finding another OC willing to babysit, or will the FO push him to give up play calling?
Well being that Shurmur is under contract he has no choice in what position he is given under the new HC.Reich could outright decline the job, but Shurmur is in a tight spot.
TD:
New icon. Nice.
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Shurmur’s been a loyal Eagles’ soldier for 13 years.
I’d like to think Lurie would let him go to the Rams to be a real offensive coordinator.
‘Cause there’s no way Shurmur’s gonna raise his profile by staying here not calling plays again for another 2-3 years.
Thanks buddy, you can never go wrong with a Spaceballs reference.
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As for Shurmur I tend to agree with you that if DP doesn’t name him the offensive coordinator that Lurie would release him from his contract. I am in the thinking that Pederson, Lurie, and HW are doing homework in regards to Bradford and seeing if keeping him paired with Shurmur is the best fit.That is all opinionated though so let’s see what transpires.
One nice thing about both Reich and Shurmer is they both have extensive experience with the no-huddle offense. Reich also spent years playing behind Jim Kelly in the K-gun offense in Buffalo. Pederson could use some help when the 2-minute offense takes the field. It’s seems odd that Andy never developed a no huddle hurry up offense in all these years.
Guess Eckel was wrong.
Leave NJ.com fairytales alone
Re: Speaking of 1st Rd Busts
In 2010, Colts GM selected TCU DE Jerry Hughes 31st overall in Rd 1. But after 2 seasons, Hughes had just 1 sack and was certified a “bust.”
Then in 2013 and 2014, after joining the Bills, Hughes racked up back-to-back 10 sack seasons (for Schwartz and Pettine).
Marcus Smith II . . . just 1.5 sacks after two seasons. Pretty much a Jerry Hughes-sized bust.
Well, maybe lined up at RDE in this kind of defensive formation, Smith will have a Jerry Hughes-sized comeback.
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I think there is room for him in the RDE rotation. Brandon Graham does pretty well on the left side, and I almost think he prefers it?
Thats the 4-3 under right?
This could turn into mirror image of careers. The Colts drafted Hughes to play OLB when he was a college DE and his career resurgence came when moved back to DE. Marcus Smith going back to DE and just attacking without worrying about any coverage responsibilities can have the same kind of impact. Great reference AC, very spot on.
So, about Pederson and the media–just kidding, who cares! Let’s talk about my man Bradford.
One way to look at last year was that he started off rusty after being out of football and in a new system. His second half, where he ascended to average performance, is taken as a sign of progress. Optimism being what it is, we assume that he will continue to progress. He will get better, more comfortable; we will get more talented at OL; we will get him more help at WR. Overall, he will play better, get us more wins, and his numbers should improve.
That’s the optimistic scenario.
There are other, equally valid ways to look at it. We can’t ignore that keeping him on this team will be a huge chunk of change for a player whose career performance, in a contract year, no less, was way below average. We can’t forget that this is a man made of glass who has spent most of his adult life in the training room. Last year was an anomaly in this regard. As for progress, is it true that when a player plays well in the 2nd half of the year, that it carries over to the next year? Or is the bulk of his career the more reliable data set? I know where I’d put my money, if forced.
Can we guarantee that OL will be better next year? Our LT is getting old and is irreplaceable. Our once-promising C may not be nearly as good as we thought. In any case, it will probably take 2-3 years to turn over the line. Do we have any evidence that it will all of a sudden turn into a decent unit next year? Is there even the talent to do that?
What about the WR? Will spending all offseason on the JUGGs machine teach them how to be good, all of a sudden? Or do we have to spend more draft picks to try again?
Do we hope that Chip was such an inept coach that he successfully masked the talent of the entire offense and that the addition of a new, non-weird coordinator will cause us to be good?
Have to remember that bradford was re-habbing most of the offseason. Only started taking full reps at TC, barely played preseason. New system, new receivers, bad OL. I doubt many Qbs would have done better given the situation.
As an organization if you’re unsure about what S.B. brings – it’s partially your fault for not doing a great job evaluating while he’s here. But option is to tag him. What i do know is that this team hasn’t had a better pure passer probably ever, and hasnt had quarterbacking this consistent since McNabb. People act like the next AR is right there if you just draft a qb in the first or second rounds, i think they’re fooling themselves, especially with this crop of QBs.
As to your first point, in 2011 Peyton Manning had a terrible neck injury which caused him to miss the entire season. The next season, going to an entirely new team, he didn’t skip a beat, putting up his best QB rating in 8 years and winning 13 games. I don’t have any evidence on how to judge Sammy’s lack of reps and time away from football.
Interesting you’d use PM as your point of comparison. It’s so hard to compare that it’s barely worth exploring, but Peyton had a full offseason + with his WRs, including private summertime sessions, and whose offense do you think he was running? Look at the caliber of the offensive weapons.
Peyton also had several more years under his belt at the time. Playing for coaches other than Jeff Fisher.
Right, it’s hard to compare, but they are the ones offhand who missed a whole year and then came back. The point is not that Peyton performed better (of course he would), but just trying to see what effect missing a year and having traumatic injury would have or not have.
SB also missed 2yrs basically (2 of his first five which i’d argue are key developmental years)
Also, neck injury vs. torn ACL.
Peyton missed an entire season but was finished with rehab long before OTAs when he finally returned and was playing in the same system he had played in for over a decade. So slightly different situations.
Some additional questions – is an elite LT a necessary or even likely asset to a SB team? What was the Carolina Panthers’ OLs like the last few years vs. what they were this year? What changed? Are 1st and 2nd year WRs likely to be only what they have been, or is there reason to believe that players can and do get better the longer they are in the league? Is there any reason to believe that planning to start a season with Sanchez as your #1 is going to retard the development of your receiving corps, no matter who they are? Is it worth it to start a 3 + year rebuild when you have a dominant DT entering his prime, or if that’s your plan, should you just get rid of him and hopefully get an asset and cap room to get younger players that will be around when your rebuild (possibly) starts to bear fruit? If you’re placing all your eggs in the draft basket, should just Hinkie it?
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, is any “data set” we can use actually something that has a confidence level greater than a flip of the coin, scientifically speaking? There’s a really good article about garbage science and the “power pose” idiocy that came out today that is worth reading for those who think putting numbers to their biases makes them scientific.
All excellent questions and I’m glad it’s not my job to answer them.
As to your second point, yes, QB performance can be analyzed to a much higher level of confidence than a coin flip. Besides kicker, it’s the one that operates most independently of the rest of the team. Perhaps now I point out references Hofstadter’s book on anti-intellectualism in American life.
So, QB performance is replicable under exact conditions where sufficient variables have been accounted for? Anti-intellectualism? Nice ad hominem. Glad you went there, because it shows your understanding of the issue. Perhaps you should be working in the Wisconsin crime labs – they have a similarly shallow understanding of the scientific method.
This might be helpful in understanding that blindly accepting some cobbled together correlations as “scientific” is perhaps the very definition of anti-intellectualism (I have plenty of other examples, but this is timely):
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2016/01/amy_cuddy_s_power_pose_research_is_the_latest_example_of_scientific_overreach.html
Sorry, chap, I took your ‘power pose idiocy’ line as a shot across the bow and thus informed you of the existence of a very interesting book about a directly relevant subject.
Nevertheless, your central argument, ad hominem in kind disregarded, is a straw man.
Love your last line.
The term “scientific” gets thrown a whole lot in sports talk. Chip said it about his methods. Some bloggers or media folks or whoever say their analyses are scientific. But what does this mean? There’s well done statistics and poorly done statistics, but is the the same as good and bad science?
My short answer is no. Any scientific inquiry is about building an argument from data using reason. Certain data make more sense than others given the questions you’re asking. Certain questions can yield answers with higher levels of certainty than others.
So what does this mean for football? There’s no simple scientific inquiry in this kind of sport. Everything’s entangled. It’s a lot more like doing social science than, say, a natural science. The data are soft and fuzzy, so we need lots of it and different types of it to triangulate. I tend to think there are some people on this board who are especially good at it, even though most probably aren’t formally trained scientists.
Sorry to geek out here. It’s just an issue I think about a lot and it’s nice to be able to contribute something every once in a while.
Jim Trotter reported that before the season, Bradford’s agent asked for $25M a year from the Eagles. I really want whatever drugs Condon is on. How about this: You were pretty good the 2nd half of the season. Let’s say that was worth $25M a year. You sucked the first half though. Let’s call that worth $0 a year. So, meet at $12.5M a year and call it a day?
If he wants that much money (which would be the highest of any QB in the league annually) he can go eff himself
zero chance. franchise him and pay him 18. buy time to figure out what to do.
https://media.giphy.com/media/eXQPwwE8DFTZS/giphy.gif
Bradfords agent n who else he represents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Condon
As I’ve written before . . .
Condon, Bradford’s agent, is the Steve Boros of football.
Balls to the wall negotiator.
Demanding 25 mill is not negotiating, that’s saying he does not want to be here
Scott, but point taken.
Hm, your math is off, even bad QBs are getting 1-2M a year!
Okay, say a really bad one makes $1M a year. Then that averages out to $13M. I’d do a 3 year, $13M a year, pay as you go, nothing guaranteed deal.
That’s not how it works in the NFL . You don’t pay 13 million a year without guaranteed money.
Even I would jump at that, and I am far from a Bradford fan.
When a player has about $50 million in the bank, and maybe doesn’t want to be in a particular city, he can tell his agent to ask for $25 million.
Exactly why the Rams fleeced the Eagles.
It seems like only 3 teams are in the QB market- LA, NYJ, and Houston. If he wants to leave I think the Eagles should just tag him and force a trade.
Not sure I would call a 2nd round pick for fleecing when it’s the trade price for even average qbs. Then it’s just market price
Questions …
Who is leaking this information?
What’s their agenda?
Why now?
The Eagles could franchise him for 2 straight years for less money.
That’s basically a I-want-to-see-how-this-year-plays-out kind of asking price. He may have wanted to see what playing under Kelly was like and if he wanted that long-term. That’s a pretty obviously facetious price to ask when coming off 1.5 years away and two ACLs.
Question is more what he wants now… and even then, he may want to see how the OC shakes out. The guy probably most wanted two years in the same system, and he’s not going to get that chance this year anyways.
But yes, this will probably not be an easy negotiation, to say the least. When Foles gets $24 million over two years… with half of it guaranteed… Bradford will get a lot more. Even Chase Daniel (backup in KC) had a $4.8 million cap hit this year. Only QBs at a paltry $1 million are basically on rookie contracts. On the other hand, it doesn’t do Bradford much good to ask for more than the franchise tag, unless they know the Eagles won’t go there.
He’s welcome to ask for that, but the landing spot for Bradford is $18 mil /year.
Report of Rams’ interest in Shumur is understandable if they think Shumur can get the best out of Foles as he did 3 hrs ago. It could save the trade and big contract investment that the Ram’ made for Foles.
They should of got Bill Lazor
Unfortunately for them, Shurmur was also there in 2014.
in LA, Rams’ will be looking to make a splash and sell tickets. They could even see Shumur as a way to sign Bradford as a free agent. If that were to occur, they would have Bradford, Foles & an additional second pick; Eagles’ would have basically nothing from the trade.
Signing Bradford and Shurmur would sell tickets?
Everything’s relative- Bradford is a bigger name than Incumbent Casey K. & Bradford could be the major-name free agent QB this off season.
Save the trade? Are you kidding me?
I guess we’re drafting a QB since Bradford wants to get paid. Bye Bradford you were a preseason legend.
He is just too risky. Too much money to risk and he is going to ve done. Not worth risk
We got Schwartz!!! We got Schwartz!!! (Yes, I’m just seeing this news now). Best news since, well, um….in a really long time.
https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/689638150520578048
The Eagles are expected to move Kiko Alonso to weak-side linebacker in new coordinator Jim Schwartz’s 4-3
It’s where Nigel Bradham amassed 104 tackles in 14 games for Schwartz in Buffalo in 2014, and where DeAndre Levy notched 119 tackles across 16 starts for Schwartz’s Lions in 2013. Alonso was a big disappointment in his first season with the Eagles, causing just one turnover and finishing 49th among 60 qualified inside linebackers in Pro Football Focus’ grades. Still only 25 years old, Alonso is a decent bet to bounce back under Schwartz in 2016.
So excited to see what this defense could be like under Swartz. Chip Kelly might have just been the GM we needed to churn this roster..
I would assume Hicks would play MLB which is exciting in itself but who plays the SAM? Kendricks? Is there still confidence he can cover and shed blocks? I hope a change of scheme will do wonders for him.
Yeah thats interesting ive heard some suggest that he would be the SS. Not sure if his cover skills would be good enough for that..its intriguing though. Im already looking forward to this offseason to see how everything shapes up
Whoever told you that is a fucking moron.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
And spare a thought for poor Connor Barwin…
Kendricks is way too short to play SAM. Here is your SAM prototype.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EmmoCa20.htm
That seems wrong to me. Kiko needs to be in the Emmons role at SAM given that Kiko is 6-3 and we need somebody with size to cover TEs in that spot. Kendricks needs to be the run and hit guy at WIL and Hicks needs to play the MIKE spot.
Agree 100%. Also use Barwin as LEO type player
“The Eagles are expected” — is that from you or is that printed somewhere else?
Leave the NJ.com fairytales alone… Kendricks is the WIL
Sam Bradford saw the Doug Pederson hiring and probably thought to himself “Fuck this I don’t want to be the next Alex Smith”.
Houston has Bill O’Brien and they seem like a QB away from being a great team. St. Louis is moving to LA. That might a good place for him to be the face of the franchise. Maybe having Shurmur there might entice him.
If I’m the Eagles FO, I retain him. Franchise him if that’s what it takes. If he wants to leave he can do so via trade. NYJ, Houston, or LA can give us their 1st round pick.
The same LA that fleeced us is now so desperate they are going to give us a first round pick?
Probably the same 2nd round we gave them.
Bradford is healthy. The team is moving to LA and needs to generate excitement. Bradford is the only good QB on the market.
Plus that was a decent trade for Philadelphia
I honestly can’t tell if this is a joke or not. If LA actually wanted Bradford, they would not have gotten rid of him in the first place!
How did we come out on the winning end of that trade? We gave up a 2nd we still don’t have an answer at QB. Is it possible we trade Bradford, sure, but it sure won’t be to the Rams!
Peter Schrager
@PSchrags
3m3 minutes ago
A late night rumor for the Philly crowd. A name to watch for Doug Pederson’s offensive staff: former Browns OC John DeFilippo. @NFLonFOX
Peter Schrager
@PSchrags
3m3 minutes ago
A late night rumor for the Philly crowd. A name to watch for Doug Pederson’s offensive staff: former Browns OC John DeFilippo. @NFLonFOX
Eckel mentioned this as a possibility earlier although it seemed like he was just speculating due to DeFelippo being from the area.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
31s31 seconds ago
Eagles will hire former Browns OC John DeFilippo as QB coach, sources tell me and @PSchrags. From Manziel to Bradford (maybe).
So, Reich OC, DeFelippo QB coach, and Shurmur free to go to LA?
Now they are in LA and with a ‘fresh’ fanbase they might actually be able to get away with resigning Bradford with Shurmur as the OC. Call it a homecoming and a return to the flock etc.
Franchise him and get our 2nd round pick back from them.
Very nice.
Chip interviewed him for OC , he recruited him when he was at UNH.
but wasn’t browns offense sort of terrible? manziel’s numbers sucked, the other dude’s numbers were good but he’s been good in several schemes. just can’t believe they didn[t roll with shurm dog.
This is a very intriguing addition to Pederson’s staff. Under DeFilippo’s tutelage, several Browns players had career seasons. Wide receiver Travis Benjamin finished the year with 966 yards and five touchdowns, well eclipsing his career numbers in both categories. And tight end Gary Barnidge burst on to the scene last season, racking up 1,043 yards and nine touchdowns. And while no one seemed to have any luck withJohnny Manziel, Josh McCown was on pace for a 4,000 yard passing season before his injuries.
This should be good news for whoever ends up in the quarterback room next year, be it some combination of Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez and/or a new addition via draft or free agency. Raiders quarterback Derek Carr has also credited DeFilippo, or “Flip”, with helping develop the young signal caller (hat tip to BGN’s own Ben Natan for the info). From Cleveland.com:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/20/10795966/john-defilippo-quarterbacks-coach-browns-doug-pederson-frank-reich-eagles-browns-raiders-derek-carr
I would have been happy with any numbers, regardless of how bad they were, out of Manziel. He is essentially a great big child, with a bit of a coke habit. I imagine coaching him was much like tutoring an engineer who didn’t study until the day before his finals.
Pretty sure Browns had their best offense they’ve had in several years this year, statistically speaking.
I know he was in discussion for JMU’s HC job two years ago and again this year after Everette Withers bolted for some bottom feeder FBS school.
Here’s a blurb about his case for JMU job.
John DeFilippo: Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator
DeFilippo – a former James Madison quarterback – has spent most of his coaching career in the NFL with the Giants, Jets, Raiders and Browns. Now DeFilippo needs a new job – Cleveland head coach Mike Pettine was fired last week – and the 37-year-old is wasting no time trying to find one.
Cleveland.com reported that DeFilippo interviewed for the vacant head coaching position with the San Francisco 49ers and for the St. Louis Rams’ offensive coordinator job.
Despite the Browns’ 3-13 record, DeFilippo’s pro-style offense produced some of the best statistics in team history. With a revolving door at quarterback – including the polarizing Johnny Manziel – the Browns threw for 4,155 yards, fourth-most in franchise history.
With his interest at an all-time high, it seems a longshot that DeFilippo – who expressed significant interest in the JMU opening two years ago – would go back to the college game.”
Last article from the Chip Wagon
http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2016/01/where-did-it-all-go-wrong.html#more
That blog does a terrific job of explaining what Chip was trying to do… trying to do. Glad that he recognized the flaws in execution vs. scheme was Chip’s fault either way.
Does anybody have any solid links as to “WHY” folks are pedaling this “Bradford doesn’t like Philadelphia” line of garbage that’s out there. I know Peter King referenced it, but I haven’t a single credible / specific element to that line of commentary.
There was that one time when he rubbed his beard when the media was trying to get him to profess his undying love to the city of Philadelphia.
No drama, no page hits. No negativity, no page hits.
Gullible morons make shit up
new thread up