Still Quiet
Posted: January 6th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 670 Comments »Adam Gase had his interview with the Eagles today. That’s basically all we know. Gase left town for his next interview. Before you go into panic mode, understand that he’s a hot candidate and does want to look around. I also think the Eagles are scared of just jumping on the first guy.
So far the Eagles have interviewed Duce Staley, Pat Shurmur and Gase. As of now, we haven’t heard about any other interviews set for this week. There is a possible reason for that.
LA relocation thing could slow down Eagles' coaching search. As finance comm. member, Lurie will be attending 2-day meets this wk and next.
— Paul Domowitch (@pdomo) January 5, 2016
Speaking of Staley, there was a report today that the NFL thought the Eagles interview of Staley was just a way to get around the Rooney Rule.
Ugh.
Jeff Lurie has a strong track record of running a diverse organization. He hired Dick Daniels to run the personnel department and work with Ray Rhodes back in the 1990’s, before the Rooney Rule existed. Both men were African-American.
The Eagles tried to hire Marvin Lewis to be the team’s defensive coordinator in 1999, but he turned them down. Juan Castillo (Latino) was a key coach for the Eagles for years and he was the team’s DC for his final 2 years. The man who replaced him for half a season was Todd Bowles (African-American).
Go look at the current Eagles scouting staff. African-Americans hold several key roles. Last year the Eagles came very close to hiring Chris Grier to run the personnel department.
Lurie has given out huge contracts to Donovan McNabb and Michael Vick, both African-American QBs.
There are some teams and owners who follow the letter of the rule, but not the spirit of it. I think Lurie is a guy who does both.
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Here's one name you can rule out for Eagles head coach: Doug Marrone. I'm told he's not on the Eagles' list.
— Reuben Frank (@RoobCSN) January 5, 2016
The Eagles interviewed Marrone back in 2013. He was a hot candidate, having done good things at Syracuse. He had a strong background as an assistant for Bill Parcells and Sean Payton.
Marrone ended up getting the Buffalo job. He was there for two years before opting out of his contract (after the team was sold). He was expected to get the Jets job (a dream scenario for him). Instead that went to Todd Bowles and Marrone had to settle for being the OL coach in Jacksonville.
There were rumors that things were less than ideal behind the scenes in Buffalo. If true, it would make sense that the
Eagles passed on talking to him. The Eagles need a coach who can build strong relationships and get everyone on the same page.
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No formal request yet, but I think Eagles give Bengals DC Paul Guenther a look before search is over.
— Tim McManus (@Tim_McManus) January 6, 2016
I can’t say Guenther would be at the top of my list. He has been the DC for the Bengals for the past two seasons. Before that, he was the LBs coach. Guenther has done a good job, but it makes me nervous that he’s been in the same organization since 2005. Stability is a good thing, but you also want assistant coaches being exposed to different schemes, systems and ways of doing things. Just think about Pat Shurmur’s recent comments about how he’s learned more in the past three years working for Chip Kelly than any other time in his career.
I’m not against Guenther. I just wouldn’t have him at the top of my list.
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https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/684602047467917313
Nothing is cooking between the Cowboys and Sean Payton. Understand the photos of Jerry's plan have some wondering. But nothing to see here
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) January 6, 2016
Probably nothing, but it would be nice to get an idea of Sean Payton’s situation. Is he gone? Will they look to trade him? Will teams have interest?
The Eagles are reportedly interested in Payton, but we need to find out if he’s on the market before we start wondering if a deal is possible, let alone likely.
Things are always strange at this time of the year.
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I posted some early thoughts on Penn State QB Christan Hackenberg. Talented, but flawed prospect.
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Surely any established. respected Head Coach is going to think twice about having the finance/contract guy telling him who to draft.
true, howie hasnt had Gm experience.
sike
We don’t want any coach whose ego makes him think he can handle player personnel.
I certainly don’t. Didn’t like it when Reid did it, and didn’t like it when Chip did it, although I conceded that you had to let them do their thing. At this point, I want a coach who is willing to just be coach, and be the best at that that he can be, without the distraction of also being the personnel guy.
maybe the fault here is a little with Lurie for not just naming Howie the GM and making the line of authority more clear.
I want a coach to coach and we need to hire a GM to help him. Front office should be looking for a GM too.
Scouting department hate coaching staffs because they get involved in March and 10 months of prep work to set the board gets thrown out the window because coaches are shitty scouts and fall in love with guys and rip the board to shreds.
Howie has over a decade directly involved in NFL talent evaluation. He’s proven capable of running a solid scouting staff.
So frankly if a coach has a problem with Howie because he’s not a “football guy” I don’t want that moron.
Agreed. Although from most accounts, Howie’s personality plays a role in him not getting along with coaches/other personnel guys.
At last, a voice of reason. I’m amazed that so many posters rip Roseman without knowing truly what his role is and how he plays it. He is a younger version of Joe Banner, who had a solid run in the Reid era. Why does someone in his role have to be a “football guy”? It’s a collaboration.
Every front office that has ever existed is a collaboration. There is no GM who makes decisions without getting Imput from his staff
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Roseman has his strengths, but you can’t scoff and act like there are no questions sorrounding him, and act like he did such a great job that it didn’t even warrant looking at anyone else befire handing the power ROSEMAN.
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We are talking about a guy who is the common denominator for every single Front Office drama of the past decade.
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Hopefully he has improved,and learned a few important lessons, but it’s ridiculous to scoff at questioning HOwie as if he has done such a great job that no one else should have been considered for the position.
Banner was disliked by many in the media, fanbase and in the organization. Why? For some of the same reasons Roseman is.
They both had/have to make very tough cap and contract decisions and be the “bad guy” out front who draws lines in the sand so the organization can stay competitive. That discipline is very important and it is useful to have a bogeyman willing to take the bullets so everyone else in the organization is free to do their jobs the right way.
They both, however, were/are also active political operators internally and not always looking out for what is best for the organization, but what is best for their own power base and role. Banner had conflicts with Andy along the way and Roseman certainly had a power struggle with/felt threatened by Kelly.
Lurie needs to make sure Roseman will fully support the next HC and not get into a personal feud with him like he did with Kelly. That is poison for an organization and should never be allowed to fester. Lurie needs to nip anything like that in the bud quickly. People need to be professionals and held to that standard if they want to stay here with the Eagles.
My preference is to hire a legit proven GM to lead the football operations and pick the next HC. Lurie, as an owner, does not know football well enough. Roseman can have input, but should not have final say on anything but cap/contracts IMO. Smolenski I have no idea about, but imagine he is here due more to his business acumen than football knowledge.
What gets me is that people say he has a shitty attitude. Never heard that before Kelly came in. Maybe, just maybe, he and Kelly just didn’t get along.
Seems like a nice enough guy to me. I love his ability to make trades and contracts happen, almost always seemingly in the favor of the franchise. Not even, not close to even, heavily in our favor. It was pretty obvious he wasn’t involved in the Foles or Shady trade. He would of done much better.
I wonder how many years of working in player evaluation in the NFL it takes for someone to be considered a “football guy”? What level of football is required for someone to be a “football guy”? What if Howie had played in high school? Would that make him a “football guy”? Middle school?
Agreed, I trust a coach to know what they want, but not who they want. The transition from “what” to “who” and understanding the actual value of that who, is not a side-job for anyone. It’s one hell of an operation.
Agree completely. Coaching staff should set parameters of what they want, scouts should match top prospects to those parameters.
I don’t think the issue is so much that Howie isn’t a football guy but runs a scouting/development department that forces the Eagles to “win free agency” every year because there are major holes on the roster from failed/mis-matched draft picks. I think he will benefit from Chip’s changes to the personnel department.
The reason they’ve been active in FA has been because ’10 and ’11 were bad drafts, Chip not retaining McCoy, Djax, and Maclin forcing them to use draft resources to replace them rather than other holes, and undergoing a scheme change.
After the “dream team” Howie was very calculated in FA. He learned his lesson. He targeted mid tier FAs that when you hit on them it’s a home run and even if you miss you miss small and can move on.
How did Chip fix the scouting department? If anything he made it worse when he fired Anthony Patch and Rick Mueller.
I think Joseph, Barrett, and Shea are solid additions (if they stick around) but was referring more to the integration of coaches and contracts guys into the personnel department to improve collaboration between all 3 facets of the organization responsible for asset allocation and deployment.
Roseman is poor to mediocre personnel guy. They need the likes of an Ozzie Newsome or John Schneider with an eye for talent. Front office is week.
Thank god doug marrone isnt on the list, dude quit on his team
watched the pilot and episode 2 last night of It’s always sunny on Hulu. That is just fantastic. Your avatar made me laugh this morning.
damn man, you oly watched the 1st episodes of the show? you gotta lot of watching yet to do!!
I’ve seen it off and on, but now with Hulu I’ll likely watch all of them. My favorite episode is the 2008 Game 5 episode.
yup good episode!! if u got internet(clearly), all episodes are on couchtuner.com version 2
i’m down in VA but come up to philly several times a year. we always cue up the theme song when we hit that bridge before the Linc
that song is public domain, and can be used for free by anyone for any reasopn. did you know that? thats why they used it. you know, just an interesting fact from charlie
i had no idea. i thought they used it because it was hilarious. FACT when you go to philly with someone who’s never been before, they think every nasty hole in the wall is Paddy’s Pub
One show I thought got notably better once when they added Danny Devito as Frank in Season 2. Season 1 was okay but had a lot of dull episodes too.
yeah, dan is da man!!
Im 30 years old. I remember watching the first season of always Sunny when I was 16-17, in the Summer (when the crappy shows are on). No one else even knew about it and I kept trying to tell people how awesome it was. Crazy that show is still going.
The Eagles could end up interviewing 10 or more candidate’s. This is such an important decision and it needs to be a thorough search. As a fan we want the “chance” to be good and win right away next season. That would mean re-signing Sam Bradford ( no other viable /better QB’s available for next season IMO), replacing at least 2 people on O-line with upgrades, getting a legit deep threat at WR , and fixing the back end of our defense ( 4-3 scheme would seem to be a possibility to upgrade the Defense). The alternative to trying to compete next season for the playoffs is to draft a QB to groom while Mark Sanchez starts in a re-build while trying to upgrade other areas via the draft and potentially re-sign our own players ( Cox,Thornton,Curry,Thurmond) with the money we save by not committing to Bradford long term. The thing about that plan is we would most likely be a few years away from competing for the playoffs and that is something most Eagles fans just do not want to see. The other teams in Philly are already rebuilding and years away ( Flyers included) and we absolutely count on our Birds to be the team that at least has a chance when the season starts to do something special. That is what made this season so frustrating. We all bought into the changes CK made when we saw the team perform in the pre-season when we looked like a powerhouse. I mean even several national pundits, including Adam Schefter predicted the Eagles to be in the super bowl. The Hype was huge and we were obviously deflated by the outcome this year. So accepting 2-3 years to get back into contention is difficult to swallow for myself and any other Eagles fan. As tough as it is we will also have to accept and let the next coach vision play itself out over the next few years while we hope and pray it all works. Sorry for rambling on, but I love the Eagles so much and want a chance to be good again as fast as possible. It all starts with getting the right head coach. SO I hope they take their time and ultimately get this decision right.
Yep, head coach and quarterback are basically the foundation of a super bowl winner. I like what Ive read about Gase, but getting this right is crucial…
I think Lurie might also have been wanting to give Deuce a chance to get some experience interviewing for a HC position. Deuce and the Eagles organization seem pretty tight, and he seems like a hard worker.
I read somewhere that Deuce asked for the interview and Lurie felt he should give him the chance and learning
Am I the only one who feels like this is taking forever??? Senior bowl and East west games are right around the corner 😉
AR was hired on Jan 11. Chip was hired on Jan 16.
Process just sucks for fans.
What’s the rush… Whoever we hire is going to give us one press Confrence and then Dissapear Til March…
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If being deliberate doesn’t cost us our top options, then they should take their time… If they love someone that they risk losing to another team, we might have to pounce…
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Either way it’s going to be a while before we have any idea if we hired the right guy
What about Rick Dennison….don’t really see his name anywhere..
[…] Still Quiet – Iggles BlitzAdam Gase had his interview with the Eagles today. That’s basically all we know. Gase left town for his next interview. Before you go into panic mode, understand that he’s a hot candidate and does want to look around. I also think the Eagles are scared of just jumping on the first guy. So far the Eagles have interviewed Duce Staley, Pat Shurmur and Gase. As of now, we haven’t heard about any other interviews set for this week. There is a possible reason for that. […]
Shefty just gave an interview, and he seems to Think Doug Peterson is at the top of our list…. I’m looking for Substance over Flash, but I assume this city WOULDNT be very excited about Doug Peterson … Hopefully this city remembers that no coaching candidate is a sure thing and that we got ourselves in trouble going with the flashy candidate in 2013..
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No idea who is the best man for our job, but hopefully the Eagles are able to identify him, and HOWIE is able to get him to sign on to coach us
if he were at the top of the list, wouldn’t he have been interviewed already? It seems like Rubes etc. all bet on a horse with the hope that if their horse wins they get better access than other reporters.
One would think he would be interviewed this week if he were a top candidate. On the other hand, maybe they feel as tho they aren’t competing with any other team for his services. I haven’t heard him linked to any other team… Who the hell knows what’s really going on these days..
He can’t interview because of the playoff game.
ok fair point, but I still can’t imagine how he is at the top of the list.
Maybe he fits the criteria they are looking for or maybe it’s all speculation.
You are a true dumbass.
Yeah well if the Chiefs win the SUper Bowl and we hire Doug Pederson and people are sour on him…well then the fans are just stupid. Wait Eagles fans are stupid. Okay carry on.
Sorry, but that’s bs. This is Andys Offense, he’s calling the plays, too. Also, if the Chiefs will reach or even win the SB, it will be because of their Defense and Alex Smith managing the Offense.
If Pederson has a great, Andy Reid 1999, John Harbaugh with the Ravens like interview – fine. I’m sceptical still, because he hasn’t done anything significant as a coach at any level, but fine. But pre interview, he’s the the worst candidate out there (who was mentioned as a possibility). There is nothing and I mean NOTHING in his CV that qualifies him as a HC.
btw: Brad Childress was the OC for our SB season. How did he work out as a HC? And what a surprise. It was Andys offense with JJs D that made the team reach the SB.
Not sure how you wouldn’t want an OC from a Super Bowl winning team. That would be the perfect situation. Hiring an OC from the best team in the league. If you don’t want that then I am sorry for your brain.
To give you credit: that’s probably the most simplistic way to look at something football related that I have read in a looong time. So you at least have that going for you.
Yeah I got that from twitter. make your point in 140 characters or less. Not like that scumbag Geagle.
He probably loved Josh McDaniels in Denver. OC from a Super Bowl-winning team OMG!!
still trolling that KC Chefs super bowl bait and no one is biting?
You’ll see. I was baiting everyone that Chip Kelly would be fired in the Pre Season. I baited everyone that Pederson would be the coach of the Eagles. You’ll see.
He wasn’t bad as a HC. Made it to the NFCCG his 3rd season. If it weren’t for that crappy officiating in the OT, or if Brett Favre just runs, they’re in the SB.
so was Pederson the OC when the Chefs completed no TD passes to a WR in over two seasons?
pass!
He was the OC when they took Maclin from the Eagles.
so he needs top WR talent in order to get TD catches?
that’s not going to work here.
pass!
It’s recognizing talent – something that Chip Kelly wasn’t competent at.
Yes you are a master baiter congrats u win at life.
incase u aren’t smart enough to realize I was being a bit facetious except when I was saying to go fuck yourself 🙂
You think I care what you say? I predicted Chip Kelly would be fired. You are just some weirdo on the Internet dumb like the rest of the people on the Internet. I am the ONLY person on the Internet who said Chip Kelly would be fired. Go read your post where you quoted me. I WAS RIGHT. everyone else WAS WRONG.
Not sure why anyone would think Sean Peyton would want to work under Jerry Jones..
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Like the Pagano situation, I think Peyton and the saints will work it out
I agree but if I am Peyton why do you want to be with the Saints thru rebuilding years.
I don’t want Peyton in the NFCE.
Should have worked out a deal with the colts, with the exception of a silly owner and that Doufus Grigson, Colts was a dream job. He would get to coach andrew Luck in the easiest division in the the league
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I struggle to see how a respected veteran coach like Peyton could want to deal with Jerry Jones who cuts his coaches nuts off forcing idiots like Greg hardy into the locker room and doesn’t empower a coach to Discapline them.
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Think its more realistic that peyton would choose the Giants over Dallas, but Shefty claim its to the Giants owners style to give up a draft pick and a big money contract for a coach…. So hopefully he won’t end up in the NFCE
My look at Guenther for Eagles Rewind:
http://eaglesrewind.com/2016/01/06/what-rhymes-with-guenther-being-clever-is-hard/
I much rather him than Pederson or McDermott
Counterquestion: is there a candidate who was linked to us that you wouldn’t want compared to Pederson?
I’d take Pederson over: Marrone, Schwartz, or McDermott
Cosign…id also add mcdaniels to that list of undesirables
I think McDaniels might be # 1 on my do not want list.
DO NOT WANT LIST:
#1 with a bullet, Brian Billick
josh MCDaniels
Brian Kelly
Marone
mcDermott
WHo cares what you want.
Y no on McDermott ?
Why would the OC of an avg. Offense (with no experience to speak of prior to his OC gig), who doesn’t even call the plays, be better than the playcalling DC for one of the best Defenses in Football, who’s also a study of the greatest defensive mind this city has seen since Buddy Ryan?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m more of a Adam Gase or Hue Jackson guy, no big McDermott fan, because imo, that’s Riverboat Rons Defense. But to be honest, McDermott has the way better CV imo. And pre-interview, that’s all that matters.
Maybe Pederson has a great vision and all that, but his CV is almost as bad as the CV of Duce, when we talk about the HC job.
I would be disappointed if Marrone or Schwartz would be the new HC, too. So generally speaking, I’m with you. I just would put McDermott way above Pederson.
Look at the way some of the beats are caping for Sean (ie he’s scrathcing their backs behind the scenes) Look at the way he went on sports radio begging for a job. That’s something im absolutely not into.
I get that. I found it amusing how he would say exactly what Lurie wanted to hear on radio.
Still, he has the way superior CV than Pederson imo. Which is because Pederson basically doesn’t have a CV as Coach. And without the interview process, that’s what counts for me.
McDermott? or Doug Marone if its true he want Brian Schottenheimer as OC
Lol. Do you have a source for that? I don’t know if there’s a Coordinator less appealing than Shotty when you do your interviews for a HC position. Even if I would be an owner and like Marrone, I would tell him he’s nuts if he wants to hire Shotty.
Even if the Duce interview was to satisfy the Rooney Rule it is still helpful to Duce immensely. He isn’t anywhere near ready to be a head coach. What coach has ever come from a RB position coach in the NFL? NONE. Of course it was the Rooney RUle.
We are interviewing Teryl Austin today or tomorrow
And the chances we hire him…..zero
true, but just proves that Duce had zero to do with Rooney Rule
Well that’s what they want you to believe. Oh wait…look you really do believe that.
I read that Duce requested the interview.
Three examples of how Eagles fans are the stupidest fans in the NFL :
1. Booing Donovan McNabb
2. Calling for Andy Reid to be fired
3. Believing Chip Kelly was a good coach
4. sometimes replying to you the troll
troll says: “WE” on occasion but also calls the FanBase idiots, etc.. which is it troll? you a We or not a fan. pick a side goondog.
I am the epitomy of a good Eagles fan. I am a minority. Have been my whole life. I wanted McNabb. I wanted to keep Reid. ANd I wanted to ditch Kelly as soon as we got him. We the team I the fan. Don’t lump me with you idiots.
the fans didn’t fire Reid, you moron! the organization did.
The fans wanted to fire Reid for a long time. For a really long time. The fans treated Reid like dog shit and still do. Just read the comments on here.
Lurie liked Reid but knew he needed a change. Maybe it was all the drama with Reid’s drug addict kids and losing the ability to motivate his players.
whatever. Reid was failing as a coach in Philly. He deserved to get fired.
Andy Reid is going to the playoffs and Chip Kelly the guy that Jeffrey Laurie hired is now fired. It was a bad decision to fire Andy Reid.
Reid’s kid OD’ing at training camp with a room full of steroids probably was the final straw. I’m glad he got his life in order but it’s a shame his family ruined his career as HC in Philly.
You’ll probably spend some time in hell for saying that.
not really
it’s all true
no eagle fan I know or have met hates other eagles fans w the intensity you portray.. must get you all chubby talking like that to the blog world .. you must really need this outlet.. as you were troll.
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
Good I am glad I am special in your book. There is nobody like me. I like that.
LB Jaylen Smith is one of the top Prospects in this draft… If Shredding his knee last week causes him to fall out of the top 10, would you invest a top pick in a rookie who Probabky has to miss his rookie year with an injury to take advantage and draft a kid you wouldn’t have a chance at falling to #13 if it weren’t for his injury? After all. What’s one more injured LB? Lol
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Would Philly treat this as a smart move, or would spending a first round pick on a kid that can’t play next year infuriate philly?
I don’t think you spend a 1st, let alone a top 15 pick on Smith. I can see if it was a team (SEA,AZ, CAR) that didn’t have as many holes spending a pick on him.
With a new coach, we need at least 1 new player at every position (some starting, some depth)
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Obviously if there is a similarly graded prospecy available who isn’t hurt, it’s a no BRAINER…. But if he is graded as one of the top 3 defenders in this draft, he could fall to a spot where he is head and shoulder the highest graded kid available, and in THAT scenario, it’s an interesting dilema..l
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This isn’t some one yeàr fix, so while I obviously prefer addressing serious needs, we need to rebuild this entire team, so if we can get an elite prospect a tier above every one else on the draft board, it warrants consideration
I see and understand the logic behind it. I just think we really need that first round to be productive, esp at 13 and with a new coach as well.
That’s also hard to argue against… I’m sure everyone is praying for a first round pick that can actually play right away..
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Im also hoping we get back to the andy days where we would focus majority of our first round picks into the battle of the trenches… Until we are set at DL and OL, the rest is window dressing
This is going to be an important draft for Howie and Co. They blow this and we can be here again in 3 years
Especially if we learned our free agency dream team lessons…. If you aren’t going to be playërs in FA, gotta hit on draft picks
Jack Ikegwuonu was viewed as a potential first rounder until he destroyed his knee. We picked him up in the 4th round.
Ikegwuonu’s knee injury was severe, though. I don’t know how Smith’s injury compares, but using that example I’m not sure I’d spend a first round pick on him.
Jack was NEVER considered one of the very elite defensive players of a draft
No, never elite, but he’s the closest example I have.
The running the back the NIners took from South Carolina, Marcus Lattimore. He was going to be a high pick but he had his knew shredded.
The Niners were already a stacked team and deep at RB…. but they took a chance on lattimore. Guy was never able to come back and play.
What’s your point? Every knee injury is different. A past player in a similar situation succeeding, or a past player failing, has nothing to do with This kids body and his injury. Plenty of players regain their pre injury form a year or two removed from the injury, some never get that explosion back.
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Obviously whatever team takes a chance on him will know everything about his medical before making a decision.
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I have no idea what to think, just curious to hear how some would view it… Opportunity? Uneccessary risk?
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Of course what defense we play would have to factor into this question
I wasn’t arguing… just giving an example of a recent situation of a team taking an injured player.
Chill
I forgot about Lattimore. That was a truly awful injury, though. I saw it on TV the second it happened and damn near lost my lunch.
I figure if Smith’s knee is a run of the mill ACL tear, then it’s a different story. My example of Ikegwuonu and yours of Lattimore are 2 VERY severe knee injuries and that does make a difference.
I wasn’t trying to compare them…. just supporting you in the fact that teams do take flyers on injured players.
Look at Todd Gurley.
Oh I know, I’m just responding to the post to avoid actual work.
Gurley’s was a fairly simple ACL tear if I recall. So if Smith’s is along those lines, I could see someone taking a shot in the first round. I hope it’s not us though. We need offensive line. And maybe QB.
Agreed. We cant do anything without an OL, assuming Bradford comes back
BTW, love the avatar.
Thanks! Stallone, Arnold, Aliens and Contra rolled into one
I’m talking about a kid Some consider the best defensive player in the draft
We need an offensive lineman you dumbass!
is it hurting your feelings he wont respond to you? TROLL
No at all. I know he reads it and knows I am right. The guy is a moron.
Before he got hurt he was rated very high. I remember hoping he and tight end Cornelius Ingram both had bad injuries but very good talent and value where they were selected. Unfortunately they couldn’t overcome the injuries
Wasn’t Jack a head-case? I just question comparing current prospects to previous examples.
He was arrested but never charged during college, but AFTER his career ended he had major problems. Multiple armed robbery convictions I believe and it was just this past year.
No we need offensive lineman you idiot
Am I the only one that wants the Eagles to draft Will Fuller – WR from
ND? The guy is a game changer and he’s from Philly! With that being said, I know OL is more of a priority.
Junior. Didn’t declare. Announced He’s going back to ND.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000614053/article/notre-dames-will-fuller-will-enter-2016-nfl-draft
Thanks I missed that.
I don’t think he’s a top tier guy. If one of the tier 1 guys isn’t there move back acquire more picks. We have alot of positions to fill.
I think the top 2 OTs will be long gone before we pick.
I’m ok with either taking the BPA at 13 or moving back and grabbing a guy like OT Conklin.
Big fan of my fellow Roman Catholic alumni, but I saw him listed as the 4th best WR prospect.. But spending the 13th pick on the 4th best WR doesn’t seem like the most bang for our buck. Can’t draft Fuller at 13, and we don’t have a 2nd round pick… Unless we trade back once or twice, we won’t pick in a Ramge where it would be acceptable to draft him.
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I think he is a better prospect than devin Smith, last years long ball WR from Ohio St., but I’m bias…
What round would you consider him next year?! 3rd or 4th?
I might be in the minority here, but I like Agoholor and JMatt. I’d like to see the OL upgraded.
I’d like to see what Huff can do in the slot. Seems to have the skills for that position in a conventional offense.
I just hope Agohlor, JMatt, & Huff continue to improve. I’m not sure JMatt is a true #1 receiver.
I’m damn sure not ready to rule out Talented young Wrs in their first or second seasons… All 3 of our young WR’s have a lot of Talemt and ability.. SAM started to build a connection with Ertz and Jordan, but Agholar has a Ton of untapped potential. Hopefully our next WR coach can do a much better job than Bicknell
OL is THE priority. The Eagles will draft OL after OL. Will FUller…are you kidding me.
Since we have come to grips with the kelly firing, It feels so crazy to say “we literally just invested 3 years of my eagle fandom, exclusively Linning up in shotgun… 48 games under chip, how many total plays did we not line up in shotgun? 10 plays? 20 plays?…..this must be how longtime cult members most feel when they eventually come to the realization that they were in a cult lol
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Now that chip is gone, playërs are more free to give their thoughts about the chip era, and the one question Im dissapointed that no media member is asking is How did the Players feel about Linning up in shotgun for 95% of the past 3 seasons? What are their thoughts on such a lack of variety on offense?
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I remember when chip first got here, seeing the team play fast, and never huddle was awesome. It made watching teams that huddle boring.. 3 year laters after Chip Fatigue, im going to let out the biggest cheer on opening day when I see the offense huddle up… Never thought I’d miss a huddle lol
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I look forward to finding out how good our defenders are when they don’t have to overcome the opponent, and the stress chips offense often put on them
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I look forward to having a QB allowed to audible at the line of scrimmage. Sounds insane that chip cared more about going fast, than he cared about audibling into the right play to attack what the defense is about to throw at us..
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I REALLY look forward to a coach who can run the ball, without making the QB a component of the run game… I want a coach who can run the ball without putting a pocket passer in a modified zone read offense… You shouldn’t need a QB to help you run the ball
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I’m hopeful that a new coach who can reach a higher percentage of our players, can galvanize the troops and make a difference instead of chip who couldn’t connect emotionally with his team(allegedly)… 53 United men who will give there all to play for a coach is a powerful tool.. Shame Chip DIDNT believe in pushing emotional buttons.. For Crying out loud, Chip wouldnt even admit that NFC a East Rivalry games were a little more important. The entire city is foaming at the mouth the week of a rivalry game, and chip doesn’t Tap into any of the fire from rivalry week, instead he downplayed Rivalries that mean so much to our fans, and fed tge bullshit answer that it’s just 1 of 16 games… Takes a real egomaniacle contrarian to not be willing to admit that NFC east games are a little more intense..
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I look forward to No Longer judging WRs by how they Block smh..
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I look forward to a coach that will put his players in the best position to use their talent, instead of fitting squat pegs into round holes because you are obssessed with proving you can win with your system
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Look forward to a coach who respects time of possession and doesn’t judge oro games By the number of plays you were able To run on offense
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I do think chip is right about high cHarechter players. I don’t want to bring in a bunch of idiots getting arrested every year, but I look forward to a coach
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I’m ready to find out how things will change in Philly under the next coach
I think a lot of what chip did was right. Lots of teams in playoffs are running read option.
I’m also fine w/ shotgun — have you seen Peyton?
Also fine with not huddling and doing what we did in Shurmur’s game, hurry to line, set, audible go. I think tempo should be an option, it’s very effective once you get a drive going.
If we keep shurmur which i hope we do, but think we won’t, i look forward to expanding bradford’s playbook.
Do you remember when I posted about the Flying Saucer society after we got blown out by two crappy teams in a row? And people were still defending Chip?
I will give them credit, though. Since Chip got axed, people are deserting him like rats off a sinking ship. The only thing that changed was he got fired. The human mind is interesting.
It made me realize that the cult was not Chipology but The Benevolent and Verdant Order of the Grandiose Eagle. It’s Eagles fans who are the cult! We’re just waiting for our new Grandmaster to be introduced.
Anyone see any reports of a franchise granting Chip an interview?
no. On train today my neighbor said maybe McDaniels leaves for a HC and Chip becomes OC for the Pats, but I don’t see how that can be attractive for most HC. Chip has a full system, if you don’t buy the whole system does it work to bring him in as OC. for example the HC has to buy in that the defense now is going to play so much more etc.
I still wonder why TE wouldn’t make the bet. They stink, they have Mariota and cap money.
not if BB says, “less tempo and less shotgun, but keep your blocking and route concepts”
Brady has been in the same offense his whole life. It’s been really successful. Why would BB do this? I think no F way.
i agree completely that it won’t happen. i was just pointing out that a strong HC can make it work with Chip as OC if so inclined. you can separate his schemes from his system to some extent. that said, Brady’s offense has been radically different over the years – you can’t tell me you think the Randy Moss offense looked the same as the Hernandez/ Gronk offense, or that either looked like when Cory Dillon was around
Hmm, did you happen to read the 538 article that showed that Chip’s tempo plays were actually good, it was the non-tempo plays that actually sucked?
i did not but that is interesting. i am basing my opinion off of both our performance during the SHurmer giants game and some player comments afterwards basically saying it’s hard to avoid offensive penalties in the “machine gun offense” or whatever
Chip Kelly isn’t going to be in the NFL even as a position coach. He doesn’t belong in the NFL.
ROSEMAN has his strengths. Having im in charge ISNT ALL BAD… But immediately running back to HOWIE without even considering anyone else, and allegedly having Doug Peterson at the top of their coaching search(who knows if it’s true), makes me wonder if Lurie is acting out of fear…
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Obviously everyone is always more confidemt with someone they are familiar with, but I hope Hiring chip HASNT traumatized LURIE to the point that he is scared to take a chance on someone and is more comfortable going with “the Devl he Knows”… Hopefully this is not the case, and he hires the best candidate regardless of familiarity
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Gotta bring stability at the coaching position and QB position.. Hopefully we aremt dumb enough to let SAM get away
Shut UP. GET A JOB!!!
I agree it just seems so out of our hands, I like to think it could be far worse (Howie does provide quite a bit of value) and focus on the HC search. I think feeling angst about the FO set up is fruitless.
Just a friendly reminder: please do not feed the troll. Evidently it has taken on water with this phase of the moon and is particularly cranky. Please leave it be in it’s twisted hole under the bridge.
Who predicted Chip Kelly would be fired? ME! You better listen to me if you want the truth. Because I am not scared. You are scared of the truth and better go get a dog!
Your predicted two things – jack and shit. If you would have said Kelly was going to get fired after this season, I would give you some credit but you just had incoherent, generic ramblings.
That is not true at all.
So where is your respect now that they fired chip like U wanted??? Clearly Troll can’t troll well. This will be my last response to such scum…….. (Sorry for feeding it, even if it is eating its own shit lolol)
EaglesGameBalls 6 months ago
The Eagles are scum. They get rid of DJAX and then smear him. Then they bring in a druggie and re-up a blatant racist. Chip Kelly has dropped a huge turd on this organization. I won’t respect the Eagles until Chipper is kicked out. Hopefully it is at the end of this season because I really do love the Eagles. But Chip Kelly is not the answer. They are going to go 4-12
Wow. I was so right. Thanks for pointing this out.
Adam Gase coming in for a 2nd interview this weekend. Do the Eagles let him leave town this time or do they continue to explore other options?
My guess is that they won’t let him leave. They got a phone interview, face to face, and now a 2nd interview? I’m assuming Gase is the guy.
Unless the Giants convince him to stay for an extra day after his Friday interview.
True. That’s probably the only thing to stop us form hiring him.
It makes me wonder though, how good of a job NY would be? Sure Eli is there as a franchise QB and former #1 overall draft pick, but he just turned 35. He has 3 to 5 years max left. He is definitely a QB on the descent based on age.
If a coaching candidate sees Bradford as a younger (28) potential elite QB to build around, barring injury, he has another 10 years left. Sam could also be considered an ascending QB.
Giants ownership is viewed in the media as stable and a great place to be, but lets be honest, Coughlin would have been fired several years ago if the Giants hadn’t gone on their unexpected Superbowl run culminating with lucky helmet catch against the Pats. Although they have never been big into free agency, their drafts are no better than ours.
Honestly, what would scare me away is Reese. He’s had one REALLY good draft, and has picked up some talented pieces, but the past few years outside of Beckham I think his drafts have been pretty sorry.
Yeah, Coughlin probably ran out of goodwill there, but the lack of talent can be attributed to Reese. Injuries had a hand in it, too of course, but I don’t think the GM has been held accountable for his poor performance.
I think Eli being still good by the time they fix all their holes is unlikely. Eli might have one year left, you can’t look at Manning and Brady and think that’s the norm.
That’s always a possibility.
Yea that’s what I’m thinking when I read that as well.
Case has done nothing. Another misttake.
Some of you fans look to the press and the people who follow the Eagles day in and day out in order to shape your opinion. Let me remind you of something. These “experts” hold nothing on me. I predicted the Eagles would be 4-12 before the season started and also predicted that Chip Kelly would be fired. All of these “experts” This is what they predicted.
So who you gonna listen to when we start talking about the future coach of the Eagles? Me or these “experts”
We need ATG up in here with another advisory about responding to the troll.
my wish for 2016 is a moderator
Yes! I nominate ACViking.
This is why the Rooney rule is unhelpful.
This interview is not a race issue, yet one has been created as people thinking it is a way to get around the rule.
The best candidate will be hired. Who cares who is interviewed?.
Create a rule where teams have to interview a goat when hiring someone. It doesn’t mean they’ll hire the goat does it?.
It’s meaningless. In the UK we have the “Society of black lawyers” who make a living from creating race issues and filling pages with this tripe.
No just going on an interview is beneficial to the person being interviewed. If you have no experience being interviewed then you are going to suck and not get a job.
I suppose. I’d never heard of that Duce guy but after reading quite a lot about him I think most would be happy with him.
I don’t think he’s even remotely qualified to be a HC.
By qualified do you mean be able to organise a group of grown men. As head coaches have so many sub coaches all they need to do is motivate and organise.
He has been around the Eagles for a while now.
And he is also loved by the players. Which is possibly Kelly’s main failure wasn’t it?.
He’s a RB coach… I think that’s his only experience coaching. I don’t buy that he’s a serious option for HC. Not saying you’re wrong… just that I disagree
Come on it’s a troll man.
10 comments attributed to profile.
Ridiculous name
Anti-PC rant.
Didn’t know who Duce was.
Good show.
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It’s a problem because racists feel discriminated against? For shame.
Hey Troll, since your not going away today, who do you want at the helm next year.. cant have AR, hes in KC..
Doug Pederson. I said it three days ago before anyone was talking about him.
considering nobody is talking about him, that is still true
I guess you didn’t listen to 97.5 this morning.
ewww, no thanks
im done now.. sorry for feeding.
KC went a few season without a TD pass to a WR under Pederson. Unless he brings KC’s cupcake schedule…….
pass!
Cupcake schedule? Better check again son.
SD twice
Oakland twice
Cleveland
Pittsburgh without Big Ben
Baltimore
Lions before they fired coaches
Buffalo – Eagles beat them
Texans before they got act together
Denver when Manning got hurt in game
Oh stop. That is not a cupcake schedule. Just stop.
they lost to every full strength, tough team they faced
stop just stop.
Eh, you know there is a stat created called ALEX that measures how much shorter than a “normal” throw a quarterback tends to make. Smith, is of course, the poster child and exemplar of the stat, but Bradford is right there with them.
There is scheme and then there is the person executing the scheme.
Eagles interviewing McAdoo tommorow
Also if Gase is brought in..there might be a chance we bring in Osweiller who’s going to be a free agent this year
I like McAdoo… think he has done a nice job with the giants considering their pieces on offence… but the pedo stash has to go. If I was Lurie i would say if you want to be the face of the franchise then you cannot look like someone hiding in a bush outside a school.
that offense looked great during vikings game. i doubt his name is mentioned if odb isn’t on that squad.
It happens once in a year… but it is a special occasion so lets embrace it.. I actually agree with a ESP #hottake for once.
I know Sammy wont be cheap…. but a mega deal? How much do people think Brock is going to cost?
Sammy is getting north of $18mil, not much truly guaranteed beyond 2016 but it will cost a lot. There is a LOT of cap space this year.. teams and coaches need QB’s to keep their jobs and there are no easy start day 1 well answers in the draft.
You think Denver lets Brock go?
Cannot tag him because of price and Von Miller
So depends on how much he likes Gase, how much ‘chat’ they have with the agent and how Brock feels about Denver moving forward. Think he stays but who knows.
wait didn’t we just get sammy b on a “prove it” deal? And what happened he proved just enough to screw us. Either way w/ a prove it deal you’re screwed, players tend to out play it and then you have to pay or go back to square one. If they suck, you blew a whole year and you still have to find a qb
Well we don’t have to give up a 2nd rounder + more.. would probably cost less than the 13mil bradford got this year and you could start him and draft a QB (i like this draft class but none should start day one).
Yeah, let’s pass up a potential franchise QB to save some money on a guy that replaced a HOF QB with excellent receivers and a top 5 defense that just got benched.
Honestly I don’t see the Brock draw
I don’t see the Sam Bradford draw… He has the arm talent, but has not, and frankly at this point in his career is unlikely to develop the rest of what he needs in my opinion.
I think he has a poor feel for the game, struggles to see when players will be coming open, needing to wait till they are so, or checking down when better options were available down the field.
When you are 2 scores down in the game and it is 3rd down there is no point going to your check down 3 seconds into the play when there is limited pressure on you. sometimes you have to take risks to win games.
7.9 drop percentage this year. Highest in the league. If our WRs and OL showed up just a bit more there’s a good chance we would still be playing.
I don’t think the guy Brady but I’m more than ok with him being our starter in 2016.
Yep. More than ok with Bradford though having a new system puts a damper on that.
I think Sanchez will be starting next year. There are way too many problems on this team. They don’t “just need a quarterback” They need a lot of players. I wouldn’t be surprised if they move out of the first round to try to get some draft picks.
Especially with Pederson being the coach.
1st year in the system, you really need continuity at the position both in scheme and personnel.
If i had ever seen him do it i would be on board with you… I just do not see it on tape with the Eagles, Rams or in College. He can make tough throws, but they tend to be to players who have been continuously open. You very rarely see an Eagle player come out of a break and the ball be right there for him.
i think that’s not true. One it takes time to develop that chemistry w/ personnel, 2 sammy’s bsaically been out of football for 2 years. 3 i can think of instances where sammy’s thrown balls to covered guys, it happened a lot this year. remember that back should throw – one handed catch by celek in the cardinals game?
Back shoulder throws are tough throws, need the ball to be placed just right but the WR is set in his route, as is the DB in his coverage. Bradford can totally make that throw.
What he has not done much of so far in his career is have the ball leave his hands before the WR has taken his cut, so that soon as the WR moves the ball is pretty much there before the DB can break on the ball or change his position.
I think he has done this. I thought the Matthews OT game winner was thrown during the cut. (maybe not, but I’ve definitely seen replays of him doing this and I’ve only seen like 6 games this year (thankfully). You can certainly say he doesn’t do it enough.
This was SB to a tee first half of the season. Ill give him credit he improved but thats a long way from making the guy some kind of potential top 10. Lot of his completion % was also helped with the quick outs/screens, dumpoffs. I dont get it, fans constantly want to live on that potential how many yrs later. At the same time they want to dismiss Brock because they know what he is lol
“I think he has a poor feel for the game, struggles to see when players will be coming open, needing to wait till they are so, or checking down when better options were available down the field.”
You just described McNabb perfectly.
youll read the same people who cheerlead SB and all his zero playoff wins, knocking guys like Cam and Flacco. Stats for both sides
The check downs were largely scheme driven. Also, have you not watched the ball he throws? Some of his passes have been downright beautifully placed, only for a WR to drop it.
15-18
is that an option?
He is a free agent… Von Miller is a UFA as well… and they are in serious cap issues even if they cut Manning with lots of FA’s. Will be a crazy off season in Denver this year.
He might shake loose… think he resigns before the season but maybe he really likes Gase
Shit, Von Miller is a UFA? Interesting. Wonder how he’d fit in here. We need some more pass rush help, especially if we’re still in a 3-4. That’s an intriguing option.
Would be a great option if they didn’t have the current money invested in Graham and Barwin as it is.
I actually think that we have reasonable amounts invested in both of those guys. Although I’m not sure what their cap hits are this year.
And while we have some cap issues, more so than in previous years, there are a few guys that a new coach will be just fine releasing to help clear up space.
having a qb really makes things tight.
they have major cap issues this year.
Von Miller is more of a 4-3 WOLB than a 3-4 guy I think
I’d rather have Von Miller than that stiff Brock. Or Bradford, for that matter.
Nope. But like ESP does he’s just gonna say shit until something comes true.
Even on a short prove it deal he’s gonna want 8-12 mil a year.
That’s not “CHEAP”
“But like ESP does he’s just gonna say shit until something comes true.”
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Sweet Belichickian music.
Slightly above a #1 pick QB?
well i have no idea how the Bronco’s and the league value him… 8-12mil probably gets you 2-3 years worth of contract similar to the one Foles signed with the Rams.
Brock gets more than that folks. He went 5-2 in place of Peyton. That potential and years of development gets him more
plus higher cap
I’m not gonna pretend that I followed him religiously through those games, but weren’t some of those wins in spite of Brock, not because of him? A #1 defense will really help you win games, even with a replacement-level QB.
of course but it didnt hurt him. He actually had a game winning drive vs Pats and came back from 14 down vs Cinci. Not bad for a young guy coming up even if the team is stacked. He also doesnt make a lot of bone headed, what was he thinking throws. Its a run based, ball control style that was easier to fit into I think, whereas Peyton had to get used to that, if he ever really did.
werent they about to lose to SD? Isn’t Foles contract just wasted $ for the saints?
Comparatively speaking to what Bradford will make it is. Big question is how much money do you have to guaranteed over how many years.
That’s not what ESP asserted. he’s insinuating Brocks gonna take a Tyrod Taylor or Ryan Fitzpatrick deal. Bradford made 12 mil this year and people continue to shit bricks over that.
Bradford is gonna get big money. I don’t love that. He’s ok. He may get better. But I’m alot more interested in drafting our very own real QB. Save the money. Sign some retread to buy time for the kid and hope for some positive variance there.
I would rather see that too because I don’t think this team can simply resign Bradford, go to a 4-3, make 2-3 real upgrades, and being a real contender that wins 10-11 games next year.
Even the most optimistic people I have seen argue that the Eagles being a contender next year is largely predicated on playing in a weak NFC East again.
I live out in Denver and just last night the local radio was talking
about how Brock was pulled in that last game. It was interesting stuff. Brock
was not happy with the way that went down. Basically didnt have
confidence in him at the end of the first half with time on the clock,
they kneeled it out instead of letting him try. Possible that stuff
comes into play for Brock but I tend to still agree. Be surprised if
Elway doesnt do all he can to keep him around after they invested in him
esp with Peyton being about done really.
If the money were equal, I’d prefer Sanchez over Brock. Since the money’s going be unequal, I’ll take Sanchez 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. And I have never been a fan of Sanchez.
If you’re looking for cheap, journeyman backup ceiling type QBs, then I don’t see much difference between them, other than Brock will probably make significantly more money because someone will mistakenly believe his ceiling is higher.
after what we saw of Sanchez, Id question having him on a team as a backup. Youd take that over a young guy whos tall and mobile with a good arm and went 5-2 in his first action as a pro, alrighty then
“went 5-2 in his first action as a pro” on a team loaded with talent. Yep. Heck, I’ll take Nick Foles over Brock. Did you see the numbers Foles put up in 2013? Alrighty, then.
Brock’s going to get overpaid by some dumb team this offseason. I’d rather it not be the Eagles.
The Rooney Rule is just more PC crap to muck up the system and give lawyers and such more billable hours. If you know who you want, and they are white, why the F would you NOT get the stupid Rooney interview out of the way as expediently as possible?? What, you’re just supposed to take your time and let another team take your top candidate?
No it actually helps minority coaches with the interview process. Sort of like all people when they first go on an interview…its a little “bumpy”
So a good minority coach could totally mess up in the interview because it’s his first interview. I think it is super helpful and I am a Trump voter.
“Trump voter”
That explains so much.
Yeah. I had thought the Bush/Reagan jpegs had been ironic, but guess not!
its about expanding the pool of candidates and letting guys get their foot in the door and their name out there.
Sometimes its about who you know or who knows you
Look how many coaches are retreads, assistants or coordinators from other teams.
quick name something that isn’t PC
The Constitution . . . .
Wait. What about the 13th Amendment?
Can I upvote only three fifths of this comment?
OMG that’s brutal and amazing
Sweet, sweet music from the coach!
His comment?
Texas! (sorry people of Texas, I hate you too)
and that sentiment 😛
Apple Computers
The Rooney Rule is just more PC crap to muck up the system and give lawyers and such more billable hours.
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Actually, no. Certainly not lawyer who represent victims of discrimination.
Not only has no lawyer sued the NFL, or any team in the NFL, on behalf of an passed-over assistant coach alleging racial discrimination, not in recent memory — precisely because of the Rooney rule (and such a suit being professional suicide for the coach).
But a case like that would involve a contingency fee.
And a decade’s worth of data from the federal courts proves plaintiffs win discrimination cases about 10% of the time.
So, no, lawyers — especially lawyers who represent employees claiming discrimination — are not getting fat and happy off minority assistant NFL coaches.
“And a decade’s worth of data from the federal courts proves plaintiffs win discrimination cases about 10% of the time.”
And rarely is a lawyer going to take a contingency-fee case unless he thinks there is a very good chance he’s going to win. He is going to have invest $1000s, precious time, and of course expose himself to malpractice suits if something goes wrong or the client isn’t happy. In other words, generally it’s only the good cases, the ones that are legit, that even make it to the “having a lawyer stage”. The small amount of cases won probably reflect bias, not justice.
spot-on right
The Rooney rule does not say anything about who you hire. It’s about interviewing alone, and is one of the most non-invasive attempts at leveling the playing field that one could imagine.
Lurie gave Duce the interview as a favor to raise his profile, get his name out there, and give him experience with the interview process. This was done out of loyalty to Duce, even though it also fulfills the requirements of the Rooney rule. This was a good thing done by Lurie for a good employee.
The Rooney rule is all about doing that same good thing to address the fact that minorities are not employed in coaching positions in a manner that is statistically consistent with the population, or even the population of people involved in football. It’s a good thing to give these guys the chance to interview, and helps overcome previously entrenched opinions about minorities in coaching. This is a real issue, despite your attempts to dismiss it.
And here’s a tip for future reference: simply calling something “PC crap” without knowledge of what you are talking about, and without any further point to your argument other than “blah PC bad blah blah” isn’t going to get you very far. Presuming, of course, that the reason you engage in discussion is to exchange ideas, and not simply vomit your worldview onto everyone within reach.
yaaaaayyyyyyy best comment so far of 2016!!! “grrrrr pc growl” hahaha
also an excellent comment
“And here’s a tip for future reference: simply calling something “PC crap” without knowledge of what you are talking about, and without any further point to your argument other than “blah PC bad blah blah” isn’t going to get you very far.”
I don’t tweet, but should be retweeted.
Re: Gase’s Second Interview . . . Wedding Bells?
Yesterday, D3FB wrote that a second interview means the team is about ready to close the deal, as long as the coach doesn’t screw the pooch.
Gase is reported to be coming back for his 2nd w/ the Eagles this weekend.
Done deal?
Last January, the Falcons had a second interview with only one candidate — Dan Quinn. Hired.
The Raiders had a second interview with only one candidate — Jack Del Rio. Hired.
The Bills gave only one candidate a second interview — Rex Ryan. Hired.
In 2014, the Browns granted only Mike Pettine a second interview. Hired.
Mike Zimmer and the Vikings? He was the only candidate with a 2nd interview.
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That said, in 2012 the Buccaneers — after Chip Kelly rejected their offer — conducted second interviews of former Packers HC Mike Sherman. And, later, eventual hire Greg Schiano.
So Gase may all but be anointed at this point. But it’s possible he’s not the guy.
But, given what the recent data show (as D3FB wrote yesterday), Gase looks like he’s the one.
according to shefty, its down to him and doug pederson
But Pederson hasn’t been interviewed. Right?
By NFL rule, he’s supposedly unavailable until after this week.
What am I missing?
The dark horse. Pat Shurmur
the dark horse would be such a badass nickname
Maybe they wanted his 2nd interview the next day but he told them he wanted to meet the Browns, Dolphins and Giants first for a comparison.
Andy has been talking him up to Lurie. The playoffs are going to make things more difficult for him though.
Andy is still close to Lurie. If Lurie really wants to talk to Pederson there are a couple of windows Friday night into Saturday morning they can meet with him at the team hotel.
D3FB . . .
Thanks. Great framing.
As for Lurie and AR, I wrote last week that Lurie would look to him for meaningful input.
If AR’s selling Pederson, then I can Lurie buying.
trollboy’s gonna love it
I get to pat my back in pure dumb luck if it is.
and i’m wrong like i always am
Best part is I don’t even have to be accountable to my dumb-ass thought process. WOO!
Someone, just give me a cookie
Gase is still interviewing with CLE, MIA, NYG. 2nd interview means first was good enough that he’d seriously consider coming here but those other teams still have the opportunity to become contenders too.
THIS, very possible Gase wants to check his options also lets not forget. Maybe NY is better option for him
GR:
I only mean that Gase is the leader in Lurie’s clubhouse.
You’re right for sure that the Eagles may not be the leaders in Gase’s.
Not surprised at all by this. As I said the other day, if he’s their choice it’ll happen.
I love your posts. You build a case in each one.
Thanks very much.
I hope you’re right. Gase is my first choice.
As far as Andy talking up Pederson, when Andy was with the Eagles I always got the impression that when the Eagles wanted to get rid of a coach/exec that instead of outright firing him they would talk the guy up so he got a promotion from another team. The kill them with kindness method. Now maybe that was more of Lurie or Roseman’s doing, not sure.
Has Pederson done anything? Is that offense andy’s at the end of the day?
No. Why is why he is even being mentioned is kind of laughable. One of the few times I ever heard Didinger laugh out loud at a guy who was suggested as a head coach and say ‘no.’
Look at the KC offense this year. Still pretty pedestrian numbers overall.
only takes one sucker
That doesn’t necessarily mean the coach doesn’t have the demeanor to be a relatively successful HC. Reid had never called plays prior to coming to Philly.
Anon:
Some folks in these parts are quick to belittle McD on the ground that Rivera actually runs the Carolina defense . . . with no proof whatsoever, of course.
Why aren’t more these folks diminishing Pederson the same way, as he works for a HC known for his hands-on approach to his team’s offense.
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Also . . . regarding the KC offense’s numbers the past couple years, who cares if they’re lousy. That data point isn’t the be-all and end-all.
JJ’s two years as DC in Indy resulted in mediocre to bad defensive stats.
Sean Payton was so bad as the Giants’ OC, Jim Fassel took away play calling duties.
Mike McCarthy became the Packers’ HC after leading the 49ers offense to dead last in offensive production.
that’s all true but since we are not in the interviews and can’t do the due diligence the teams are doing, all we can really do is look at their (perceived) input and success of these folks. I think most of us acknowledge that our basis for our opinions in no way translates into whether the hire will be a success. But it’s all we can do if we want to somewhat obsess over it and be here.
Otherwise I would just shut down IB and see how the year goes.
Andys assistants do have a good track record of success though.
mixed bag
Just because the Eagles interviewed Staley to possibly get around the Rooney Rule doesn’t mean or imply Lurie is a racist.
I do think that it certainly played a role in the interview Staley got along with the timing of it. Kind of naive to think it didn’t.
The one valid reason I heard that Staley was interviewed is because Lurie wanted to talk to one of the assistant coaches who the players had a rep for going to get an in-depth perspective on what the players were saying.
ya someone said this elsewhere and I agree. Just because they maybe used a loophole doesnt have to mean it was with bad intentions.
i see your point, but if Jeff Lurie wants to ask an employee about pretty much anything, he doesn’t need an interview as pretext. Duce is very well respected and it’s important for an organization to be seen rewarding its contributors through internal opportunities. it would actually be really disappointing if this was a rooney rule interview for several reasons – 1. Duce deserves better; 2. if the three wise men are doing true due diligence, they will be interviewing several minority candidates including Hue Jackson and David Shaw; and 3. i don’t remember what 3 was
I just don’t think there was a ‘snowball’s chance in hell’ that Lurie was going to hire Staley thus why it was in part to met the Rooney Rule.
Lurie would have been lampooned locally and nationally for hiring Staley & rightfully so. One thing to take a gamble and another to do something that is beyond a reach.
i’ve been at jobs where a position opened and the manager interviewed internally even though it was always going to go to someone from outside with better credentials. i can’t say that none of Duce’s interview comes down to Rooney, but good bosses also say something like (not in these words) “you’ve done a good job here and while your chances for this position are not great you’ve earned the chance to knock my socks off.” i hope that was at least part of the decision.
It would have been a Castilloesque hire.
I don’t know if that’s a word, but because I get the meaning it terrifies me.
3, 3, 3 for my heartache
4, 4, 4 for my headache
Saw those guys in college. They sounded just like their record, which was probably already 10 years old at least at that point. They stormed off stage after several people threw stuff at them for some reason. They did come back, though.
That first album is pretty much a low-fi live recording.
Hated it… until I loved it! Now so many years later, I heard a teenaged daughter of one of my friends playing and singing “Blister in the Sun”. Weird, but it worked!
For a while there was a spate of commercials and TV promos using that song. Every time I laughed. Cuz it’s about, you know, wanking.
Yeah, I think she sang it ironically. Also played a Johnny Cash song without ever hearing the original even once. Kids these days!
saw em when i was 14? first time i tried a few things i wasn’t supposed to try. then i saw them when i was 16 and cheated on my girlfriend with a girl who had just puked in the trashcan. excellent shows!
Nice. Did you then use the sink to wash off your Cox? That’s what should be done in such situations.
wow. i got nothing lol!
yeah that happens at their shows. i dunno if it’s like an in-joke or what.
10, 10 everything everything
I kind of agree with Tommy. I suspect Staley conveniently allows them to hire someone they interview immediately by word of the rule, and I don’t think that means they have no interest in a minority candidate.
For a while now I’ve suspected they have a draft-style coach board (call it a Roseman passion-project that’s been going on for some time). I don’t think the interviews actually will sway the Eagles much in their decision making. I think they have some minority coaching candidates on their “board”, but if they get an opportunity to hire #1, they want that box checked off, I suspect.
I tend to think it was two birds with one stone. There’s certainly strategic benefit to interviewing Duce early. But given all the evidence, there’s no reason to think that Duce’s interview is merely a pretext. The interview achieved multiple goals.
It was a 3 birds in one stone kind of thing, in my opinion. First, Rooney rule aside, give Duce the interview experience and the raised profile by granting the interview. Help out a loyal employee. Second, check off the Rooney rule requirement. Third, have a real heart to heart about the tough situation with someone who was there. All in all, well played by Lurie.
Anyone who thinks that this is some kind of racist move on Lurie’s part is an idiot (aka, most of the national press). And actually, anyone who thinks that any kind of fulfilling the Rooney rule implies racism is kind of an idiot as well. The point of it is not to only grant an interview to someone you actually want to hire. The point of it is to simply grant interviews, plain and simple. The idea is that the hiring comes once people have been exposed to more minority candidates, and those candidates have active experience with the process.
Gase getting a second interview. I guess if he agreed to come in for a 2nd interview he must have some interest in the job, that’s a good sign I think.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/report-eagles-impressed-adam-gase-will-hold-2nd-interview
What’s the general feeling for everyone now that we’ve had some time to digest? I like Gase, not sure who I’d want as a consolation prize.
if not Gase, Id like Austin or a D guy
Someone made a good point. 3 years of gase + Peyton and Brok Osweiler might be a FA this offseason.
Bears only scored over 30pts once and lost to 49ers. it’s a 5 win team (chiefs, chargers, rams, packers, bucs). Opponents only scored over 30 twice, bears only scored over 30 twice.
Eagles team is closer to Bears team than it was to Broncos team in terms of talent. I’ll accept Gase but not sure he’s way better than schurmur.
I just wanted to touch on something I posted below in a reply, because it keeps coming up regarding the Rooney Rule.
If you bring in a minority candidate for an interview, and you really have no intention of hiring them, you are not violating the spirit of the Rooney rule, and you are not a racist.
The point of the rule is NOT to say you have to give minority coaches the same chance at the job as white coaches. The point of the rule is to grant the interview. That is all.
From a reply below:
“The point of it is not to only grant an interview to someone you actually want to hire. The point of it is to simply grant interviews, plain and simple. The idea is that the hiring comes once people have been exposed to more minority candidates, and those candidates have active experience with the process.”
And I suppose that means I just quoted myself…
Well the point is to give more minority coaches the chance to become head coaches and coordinators.
The reality is that minority coaches are statistically significantly more successful than white coaches, which is indicative of the fact that the NFL currently under uses their talent. When the NFL looked into this they found that minority coaches failed to even get the opportunity to interview and introduced this rule to help correct that.
Frankly this rule is to help the NFL to acquire better talent and offset the latent prejudices that old rich white men tend to hold.
Same 5 guys get re-tread over and over.
didn’t say the rule worked particularly well, although if it even works once then frankly it has done the job.
I meant same white guys. But i do think once you’re name gets thrown in there it’s easier for you to get promoted to other situations even if not HC.
But Cowher, bro. Cowher!
And Gruden!!!!!!
“that old rich white men tend to hold”
Sounds like you may be holding some prejudices their Fufi.
“The reality is that minority coaches are statistically significantly more successful than white coaches…” Here, I am assuming you correctly cite statistics.
“…which is indicative of the fact that the NFL currently under uses their talent.” This is not necessarily a correlation found from the above data. I studied statistics and I can tell you what you cited can be construed to mean many, many things, including the exact opposite of your point.
I agree with you that there are hurdles in front of minority candidates that aren’t there for non-minorities. In an old boys club like the NFL owners group, where the old boys tend to be white and old-school wealthy, there’s bound to be prejudices. I think we also agree the Rooney Rule is a good idea to remedy some of the problem. I’m hoping that as minority coaches continue to achieve success, this will increasingly become a non-issue, similar to the way which I think the general public has progressed when thinking about race and qb. The competitive nature of the NFL may evolve its own Darwinian solution as owners demand a winner, to hell with ethnicity or race.
YEEESSSSSS http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2600957-robert-griffin-iii-latest-news-rumors-and-speculation-on-redskins-qb
Seen this the other day and immediately started laughing out loud. Apparently Manziel also is “dying” to join the Cowturds. Why not sign them both so?
yes please!!
Sammy B had 8% drop rate – highest in league. That puts him at close to 73% completion on the year.
not arguing, but does this consider every drop to be “not sam’s fault”? like if he drilled it into someone’s hand from a few yards away and they couldn’t reel it in, or if he led someone over the middle and they got creamed and couldn’t reel it in (the “hospital pass”)?
I don’t know how drop % is calculated, but ideally they use the same criteria for everyone (though prob a little subjective). Given that criteria is normalized i’m fine giving him the benefit of the doubt.
i’ll buy that
I think it only counts drops where the WR is a fault…. not guys missing a one handed circus catch because the QB under or over threw them.
On the other hand (har, har), Bradford wasn’t helped out by many -if any -acrobatic highlight reel catches either.
Jenkins finished the season with the highest PFF grade of any safety.
Minnesota’s Harrison Smith, Miami’s Reshad Jones, Kansas City’s Eric
Berry, and Seattle’s Earl Thomas rounded out the top five, in order.
7th team pro bowl alternate though…smh
Like Lane Johnson said (about JP): the contract gets you notoriety.
Reshad Jones in the top 3? Hmm.
I’ll take Thomas and Berry ahead of all those guys.
Re: Great Coach – Bad Coordinator
It’s hard to argue that Vince Lombardi is not the greatest head coach in NFL history. In 1959, hired away from his job as the Giant’s Offensive Coordinator, he took over a Packers team that had won only 8 games the prior 3 years.
But in the next nine seasons, from 1959-67, Lombardi’s teams reached the title game 6 times, winning 5 (plus the first two SBs). 11 of his players — half a starting team — are HOFers.
So how’d Lombardi do as the Giants’ Offensive Coordinator over 5 seasons — in which New York never had a losing season, won 1 title, and lost to the Colts’ in OT in another championship game?
In a 12-team league, Lombardi’s NYG offenses finished:
– 6th, 10th, 7th (champion), 4th, 10th (lost to Colts).
Not very impressive.
Once in GB, Lombardi’s first four teams — which appeared in 3 title games, winning 2 and losing to the Eagles — were only a bit better on offense:
– 6th, 4th (lost title game), 4th (champs), 4th (champs).
So Lombardi may not have been the greatest offensive mind. But he may have been the best leader who ever stalked an NFL sidelines.
Being a HC is more about coordinators, b/c you can’t do it all. Probably where Chip didn’t do a great job (even though I’d like Shurmur to stay).
If that’s correct (and it seems more than reasonable) . . .
why do people discussing potential hires use how a coordinator-candidate’s offense (or defense) finished statistically as a proxy for being a good head coach? Or at least candidate?
No question, football in 2015 is more complicated than in 1959. And a coordinator has more subordinates.
In the end, though, great head coaching seems to be about management, organization, and leadership. Far more than being a talented offensive or defensive mind.
because we can’t judge all that other stuff. Show me the chart that tracks and rates everyone on management, organization and leadership and I’ll be happy to argue this prospective coach over another one.
Can’t do it.
So the result is coordinators with great numbers — usually coaching really talented teams — get interviews.
And you end up with, say, a George Seifert winning a SB with a supremely talented 49ers team — and then going to Carolina, which had far less talent, and captaining a sinking ship.
Or Chip Kelly’s a great offensive innovator, so he’s the hottest candidate in 2012-13.
All I’m driving at is that judging candidates on how their side of the ball did seems too simplistic.
NOTE: I know you’ve written we’re not in the interviews, and NFL teams have enormous resources to find things we’ll never know, so we’re stuck with the numbers. And that’s all fair.
yeah part of me wants someone that doesn’t have the best coordinator qualifications, just so I can think he has all this other stuff (which isn’t exclusive to having higher coordinator rankings in any event).
we’re just along for the ride.
“we’re just along for the ride”
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Great way to put it.
Same reason why HCs rotate every 3 years. Don’t think organizations have a really good way of teasing out that info or really what makes a good HC. HC is seen as being a “promotion” if you’re a good coordinator, when in reality they may be different jobs w/ different requirements.
I do think “coaching trees” are becoming more prevalent – who do you know that you can bring to assist, are they any good, etc.
I think the coaching tree makes sense to me. Some HC are maybe really good at lots of things, but other HC might also be good at helping their coaches think for themselves, develop etc. That development is not necessarily a high priority for every coach. So it would not surprise me if some HC have better coaching trees than others.
yeah people tend to get promoted until they are over their heads
So much depends on talent and QB play. A great play called can only allow a team to achieve their full potential not hugely surpass it.
before the time of free agency it was a little easier to repeat success. I don’t think it’s hard to argue it’s BB.
We’ll never know.
But your point’s well taken.
well I don’t have to prove BB is #1 I just have to counter your assertion that it’s hard to make the argument Lombardi is not. 4 SB wins, 6 appearances and about 127 division champions in the free agency era.
I hate to have to say anything complimentary about BB, but that’s a really good point.
If i’m gase it’s hard for me to turn down the chance to coach another manning and OBJ and Victor cruz.
Cruz is done.
I think you are overstating the Giants. I understand the Giants have a 35 year old Eli, 35 being a big deal, and Beckham but really that is all they have. Cruz next year will be a 30 year old WR coming off a major injury where he missed more then a year so I wouldn’t think he is a selling point to a coach. I’ve heard multiple people bring up the great FO they have yet Jerry Reese is the man in charge and he’s been responsible for a bunch of terrible drafts that has left that team bereft of talent. So as much as I know having a good QB and good WR are good selling points, to me it shouldn’t overshadow the fact that that roster is garbage.
I agree. Eli had an excellent season but he’s 35 and Cruz is a banged-up 30, the die is cast. I hope Gase looks at the Eagles and thinks, “I’m the guy Chip Kelly thought he was. I can bring out the beast in Bradford.”
Bears had a ton of talent of offense and didn’t score a ton of points this year.
I believe, outside of Long, that their o-line was worst then the Eagles’. Also Alshon was banged up all year and in and out of the lineup as well as Bennett. A lot of variables as to why they didn’t score more points.
on top of that, Fox wants a ball-control offense where they run the ball non-stop…..still they were projected to be one of the worst teams in football this year and they exceeded expectations in my mind
Well said Joe and I agree.
isn’t that what we want now? I just wonder how much harder it gets when people don’t have to respect Peyton, the Thomas bros and Sanders, plus a good running game.
sure we do, but i was just pointing out that a team who focuses on ball-control/TOP may not be a top 5 offense because they may not accumulate a bunch of yards/points
Idk how the Redskins finished in the rankings, but their offense had to be pretty efficient this year, although they are not the most talented offense, because they focused on ball control
i see what you’re saying.
They had Cutler, a banged up Forte who missed a couple of games, and half a Jeffery. They had a ton of injuries to that ton of talent.
us too, ertz had a groin then a concussion, ags had a high ankle sprain, matthews had broken hand.
Bennett, Forte, Langford, Jeffrey isn’t bad.
Our No. 1 picks were probably equally unproductive.
The Eagles defense situation is better though.
on paper (I actually like our team a lot, just saying).
OBJ is enticing for sure, you’d think he’d be smart enough to realize the team as a whole projects better with the Eagles
i’d also be thinking about having to pay beckham in what, two offseasons?
it’s all paper at this point…
we were much better on paper than on the field last year
which, after much reflection, is why I’m finally OK with letting Chip go. That was becoming systemic. Plus, his GM work would have eventually made us shitty on paper, too, thanks to poor cap management.
Think he was trying to win something before his contract was up – probably more issues in novacare than we though.
His big FA signings look bad, but I also feel like he did a lot to churn and improve the roster. It was pretty bad when he got here.
Cruz may be cut…..from what i hear his knee is a mess and they can save $6 mil by cutting him
Manning is 35. How many seasons does he have left? In the short term this makes sense, but I don’t think in the long-term. I think we are spoiled by Brady and Peyton and now think everyone can play until at least 38.
Gase has experience working with a QB on the decline. It’s more about decision making than arm strength i think at this point, plus he has plenty of time to find and groom a guy.
yep I hear you. Having Eli for [x] years and drafting and bringing along someone else slowly > Eagles situation at least at QB.
At QB yes, but if you’re looking to bring someone along, or work with Sam, the rest of the Eagles team is far more compelling than the rest of the Giants team.
Unless the Giants draft Goff or Lynch, they aint developing anything and they wont draft a QB in round 1
would be surprised if they did.–GM has a win now mandate
I wouldn’t take that job. Not that Eli and OBJ aren’t a great tandem. It’s that the rest of the team is a steaming pile of poo. Little to no talent on defense, and an O-line that’s still a wreck (makes ours like like the ’92 Hogs). Plus the weight of several years of bad drafts to work through, and the man responsible for them is still there.
By the time you’ve built that team back up into a legit contender, the QB who was your reason for being there is injured or retired. Eli just isn’t a selling point at his age because the rest of the team is so far away from contention.
Not sure if this was mentioned before. If Gase is indeed the choice for head coach, he would still need an OC. Since all the current Philly coaches are still under contract, doesn’t it seem logical that he may keep Shurmur (or even Duce) to be his OC. Obviously if Shurmur is kept on as OC, he has experience with all the offensive players and the current system. Any modifications to a new system under Gase could potentially be streamlined.
i guess that would potentially be the downside with Shurmur as well. As head coach, surely he could not spend as much time on the offense as he would be managing the entire team. Shurmur would still need to find an OC.
This is made under the assumption that Gase doesn’t already have a former colleague in mind as his OC.
I’m sure gase would have someone that he’d want to bring – his own ideas that he’d want to use.
I’ve read that if the Lions fire their coaching staff, he’s likely to target Jim Bob Cooter who replaced Joe Lombardi midseason.
underrated name. Given the weapons that offense has been trash, not sure if it’s OL or what. But that team is stacked but can’t win games.
I want Alshon Jeffery in FA, and could get if Gase is HC me tinks.
are we good enough to spend like that in FA? like with the OL and a qb need, it seems like the big WR pickup would be more for a team that’s ready to make a run except for one or two little things.
Yea the cap situation is going to be tricky this year, cutting Cooper certainly helps. Think about how horrible our outside WR were this year though. Can we really afford to not get a top outside receiver? Are we going to keep hoping that the young guns will step up and become elite?
Even with his bad case of drops, I feel Jordan can still be a successful outside receiver.
Me too. I’d love to see Jeffrey and Agholor outside and Matthews freeing them up in the slot. He is only 25 too.
i admit that would be very fun for us and shitty for defenses
cooper is only $2m. Jeffrey is $13m and there’s no wa he leaves Chi Town – if that’s the case you’d think he’d follow trestman, that’s the guy he put up HUGE numbers under.
He was hurt this year, no? Numbers were down because of that I believe. Maclin also put up HUGE numbers with Chip, and he left.
Coop is $2mil, Celek is $5mil, and with the cap going up, $13 mil for Jeffrey wouldn’t be too painful. The question is how that works with signing Sam and locking down Curry and Cox.
Getting Jeffrey for 13 isnt much different than Maclin than 11 right?
Certainly not adjusting for inflation a year later, as well as an adjustment because agents know the cap is bigger.
i think my argument would be that we aren’t just a great WR away from contending for anything, so we accept that this year, with a brand new coach and coming off a terrible season. i think of making a big splash move like that as more something you do when you’re missing one piece. i’d rather use our resources on drafting and developing the new system, including our young WRs. in 2017 if we are closer to being good enough to make a run and we need an elite WR to complete our offense, then you spend big.
I don’t know, we fix that O-line with a couple of guys (mid-range FA, draft pick), add Alshon, and bring back Sam, that’s actually the makings of a pretty potent offense. That’s (FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY) a solid WR corps, a good stable of backs, and a really good TE.
If whoever we bring in also brings a hot shit defensive coordinator who can maximize the talent we’ve got on that side of the ball, we’re at least in the conversation. I’d certainly say we’re truly competitive for the division again (which I don’t think will be as crappy next year).
i would love it if you’re right
Bradford to alshon!
nah, Brock to Alshon because everyone who ever worked with Gase now wants to follow him to his next job, didnt cha know lol
If Chip gets another job does he get paid by that team and the Eagles?
i think the eagles owe the difference of what his next contract is….like say SF hires him and pays him $5 mil and the birds still owe him $6 mil…..then the Birds only owe him $1 mil
im sure AC probably knows better than me, but from what i heard that is how it goes……idk what happens if Chip gets hired and ends up getting more money than he made here
we get the extra? jk
we deserve it after this season
there’s an offset? I kind of thought he got both (which is a crazy windfall) but I don’t know for sure.
I think I read somewhere there was an offset. My question is, what stops him from signing for $1 per year for years 1 and 2 and then for $12-15 mil in year 3. That way he gets full pay from the Eagles and team 2 gets a reasonable deal over 3 years.
In theory, nothing.
But it seems the owners have an understanding that they shouldn’t play the game that way. ‘Cause next time, they’re the one holding the bag.
That wouldn’t work well when it comes to signing his next contract and the Department of Labor might have something to say about it too.
At the least he’d need to sign for $7.25/hour.
$15/hour in Seattle
folks like ACV would sue you for doing that, using words like constructive receipt.
Sounds like a poison pill contract, which I believe the NFL outlawed some years ago.
If the contract contains no-offset language, he gets to double dip.
That’d be very unusual for a coach.
Megatron considering retirement stating due to the fact that his body has been wearing down. Wow that is sure news right there. I am glad I had the pleasure of watching him play if he does retire.
he TERRORIZED the hokies back in the day. just the craziest combo of strength size and speed
A “freak” in every sense of the word. I still remember watching the combine and truly being upset when they said he may not run the 40 then him changing his mind and borrowing another man’s shoes and still ran a 4.3, that’s just unreal for a man 6’5 and over 230 lbs.
he doenst look like the same guy. Although he’s still a beast and he’s made a ton of $$.
Agreed. His body is definitely breaking down, but a Megatron at 75% is still better then a majority of the WRs in the NFL. Eric Rowe can attest to that statement first hand.
Kobe and now Megatron? Damn it’s a bad year for sports. Wish him the best if he does retire, the guy was the best WR I’ve seen since Moss.
Kobe leaving is good for everyone IMO. Guy was overrated for about 10 years.
Love him or hate him. He was the best player of his generation.
He needs to talk to Larry Fitz, he can still contribute, but he has to be willing to change his game up. Still a lot he can do with his size alone.
What Arians did for Fitz is pretty remarkable. Trick is Fitz really wanted to have a resurgence. His job is harder than ever now to hear him talk of it, but it’s doable if you have the desire. I guess Megatron needs to figure out if he has it or not.
but can he block?
Blocking too often isn’t about can, it’s about want. Is he big enough, strong enough, talented enough? absolutely. I suspect the “want” part is what he is mulling over.
ok I was joking. Chip is no longer here. More Ertz please.
Oh sorry about that. Best part about the Fitz resurgence story is that was actually a big thing he had to get over (by his own admission). They use him a lot like we used Matthews. Big man down in the slot.
but is he racist
The problem for Megatron is that he’s stuck in Detroit. He needs to retire for a year, get healthy, and go to a good team.
Would probably be for the best
If Detroit refused to trade or let Barry out of his contract then I doubt they would allow it for Megatron, which is a shame.
Yeah. Megatron could have left when it was time. He took the dough.
probably gets old never going to the playoffs.
I bet eric rowe is wondering what he is talking about
Just watching him play it seems like he’s falling off… A real shame if he doesn’t have a longer career, but his body type isn’t like a Fitz or a Boldin or Steve Smith who play forever.
Well there’s one name to cross off on possible HC candidates. Sean Payton has said he will be staying with the Saints.
good. I’d go nuts if we gave up draft picks for him.
Nothing surprising FYI
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Browns – losing culture, worry about getting fired in 3 years, slightly less worse fanbase, shitty owner and live in Cleveland.
Eagles – winning culture, worry about getting fired in 3 years if you suck, crazy fanbase, not a bad owner and live anywhere in the tri-state.
I don’t think it’s a hard choice.
Anyone who takes less money to go coach the Browns is an moron who i desperately do not want to be my head coach.
Only ‘threat’ for Gase is NY, and i think they go internal honestly.
yup, NY is the one.
so why let McAdoo go interview elsewhere. The giants run the risk of losing their in house favorite (if he is).
Gase most likely.
to not piss him off and to not look insecure. “sure, ben, test the market but remember we’d like you to stay”
Cleveland’s nice this time of year, said no one ever
It’s a beautiful sunny day today…
but it’s always sunny in Philadelphia.
serial killer capital of the US
You’re lucky if you last 3 years in Cleveland.
The last HC to last more than 2 seasons in Cleveland was Romeo Crennel, who was fired in 2008 and only lasted 4 years.
I don’t have many strong takes on who should be the head coach though based on what little I know I favor Hue.
But it’s mostly information obtained in the interview process that we will not have available that matters most.
Someone will walk in with a vision and a plan and a track record of accomplishment, and make his case to Lurie that he knows how to turn around this football team.
Because that makes so much sense . . .
I renew my call to all agents to post on-line a video of: “8-hour Practice Interview for Prospective NFL Head Coaches.”
I think interviews are overrated. Interviews are all about your ability for presentation, to make a sale. I’m willing to bet Billy Davis would have the best interview out there. At the end of the day I don’t think Lurie or Roseman are in a great place to judge how well a person’s ideas and plans would work out. Or if the candidate actually could execute the good idea. I think it’s more to be able to check the box “yeah we could work with this guy”. So while I don’t think it will impact where you are on their candidate list, I think it can take you off the list. So it isn’t wholly unimportant.
I get the feeling they did all that research, called co-workers, former and current bosses of candidates, background checks, the whole shabang. To evaluate how the person works.
In my experiences on the hiring side of the interview, I discovered that they were a tremendously poor tool for determining whether a person had the technical skills or work ethic for the job, but were decently suited (but far from perfect) for weeding out people that just weren’t going to fit into the work environment for whatever reason.
I agree.
exactly. Now if you’re in sales or some such. Interviews can be key. Sell me your product, you. But it won’t demonstrate things like work ethic, or skills required for any other job.
an interview will tell you if someone’s a freak or an ass. that’s pretty important.
Unless they’re just really good at interviewing. It’s a sales pitch, they can always be deceptive.
sure. those guys will get through sometimes. but the guy who won’t make eye contact, or the guy who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else, sometimes get outed.
I’m not sure I have the same confidence that you do about interviewing, just based on my personal experiences. I did a corporate restaurant job for four years and management in the restaurant and the guys who were the bosses in corporate were a nightmare. Part of the thing about interviews is if the people doing the interviewing are… less than competent themselves, it opens the floodgates.
totally agree. i’ve just always interviewed WAY better than i fill out applications, so maybe my perspective is skewed. i just assume nobody involved in the process knows what they are doing but i’m polite and energetic so i guess i just like interviewing more than applying.
Yeah. This one kid showed up late to an interview and didn’t even bother to apologize. That tells you something.
perhaps he never turned his clock ahead DST
Douche Standard Time?
Don’t have daylight savings here in AZ.
Interviews? They should try my way. Stop at a bar 7:00 AM . Announce “I have a concrete truck coming in 1 hr. Who wants to make a hundred bucks wheeling some concrete.” Sometimes I’d get a decent employee. Might try that at a bar in Mobile soon.
One corporation I worked for bosses were strongly urged not to say anything about their former employees. You can say “Yes employee worked here from blank to blank.” but don’t say anything else especially anything derogatory.
That definitely can happen. But NFL is a little bit more of a closed system. Everyone knows everyone.
That’s standard practice. An employer can’t give any hint of preventing an employee from getting another. Dates of employment and salary are all you can do.
maybe it’s the side tests, like they say hey Gase ready to break for lunch and he says oh sure and they say what, you break for lunch?!? you lazy ass.
Exactly. They go to lunch and he orders a Sam Adams, and Lurie nods and smiles approvingly.
I’m loving the direction this has gone hahaha.
Lurie leans back in his chair and asks, feigning an off-hand tone, “So, say you were to get the job here. Say there was a guy, high up in the chain of command, who’s going to be setting the rules, picking the players–buying the groceries, so to speak.”
Roseman grins and steeples his fingers, gazing at the interviewee with a strange light in his eyes.
Lurie continues. “Say this guy has never played football before. Not a football guy. But a good grocery guy. Not bad at all at buying groceries. Well? How does that strike you?”
Can you boil down your entire operation to a handful of one-liners? Oh you’re actually going to try? That concludes the meeting, It was great meeting you we’ll call you…
Unless Gase’s interview started at 7:00 AM, it didn’t last 8 hours in Cleveland.
I don’t even see why you take that interview honestly.
Practice. Or you needed a good laugh.
2nd pick in the draft. If you love Goff or Lynch, you could set your own course like Andy did with McNabb.
Still, Cleveland.
That’s what they used to say about Cincinnati too. They have a phenomenal fan base in a great division.
someone posted a link to an article of when he left the Raiders. It was not a good look. I was all about him until I read that
anyone else worried the Sixers are getting too good. If we don’t get 1 or 2nd pick this is a travesty.
I’m happy because I think if you lose too much like the Sixers were that can really impact young guys’ confidence in themselves and the team. Being in last place is one thing, but being 0-20 is absurd.
I hear you, but it’s just not even about process any more for me it’s about result. Get 1 or 2. If they win a few extra games and pass teams (and their lead is slim), shame on them. You can’t get cute this year it’s the last chance.
I dunno man I think starting to build some confidence in the guys they have is really important. I doubt they’ll get past last place anyhow.
I feel like it’s a 90% chance the Lakers pass them.
I really don’t want LA to end up with Simmons or Ingram… I don’t believe they can attract Free agents yet this summer, so the draft is the only way they can improve enough immediately to avoid giving us a top pick next year.. It would suck to see the lakers get to keep their pick and add a player like Simmons Who can make them better immediately, who happened to be teammates with Deangelo Russell in highschool under coach Boyle
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But no matter How this year unfolds, we still are set up to enjoy a massive infusion of young talemt this summer
Believe it or not, there are more than two playërs in this draft that can be a huge help..
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I also think its a little too soon to be worried about winning too many games.
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We also have a ton of assets we could use if we need to trade up a spot or two to get Brandon Ingram…
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personally, When I watch these games, I still root for us to win…. If we get to 10 wins bY the start of Febuary, THATS when I would start to worry.. The worst record doesn’t GUARENTEE a top two pick
ok I’ll table this for a few weeks.
You are entitled to feel the way you do… I just spent two years rooting for losses and never got a top 2 pick, so I’m not going there again this year.
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Plus most people think Ben Simmons should be the #1 pick, I would draft Brandon Ingram ahead of him in a heart beat.. So for me, I’m happy to pick #2 instead of #1.
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I’m also awaiting a Kings implosion, if that happens, we will have two chances to win the lottery since we can force them to swap picks with us..
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Things look much better, but im not sure they would allow this team to win so many games that it would kill our ability to add a top pick
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When this is all said and done we will have accumulated one of the best collections of young talemt to enter the NBA over a 5 year period, and tons of valuabke assets to trade once we start caring about pieces that fit together
well I’ll still feel the way I do but I’ll enjoy the HC coach and try not to worry about it, and when it’s more timely in Feb we can see where they are
Lol it’s easy for me to talk that Team Chill shit now, but if we win so many games that we close the gap with the Lakes, Id probably change my tune and start sweating.
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Most people root for the Nets to win, because they don’t want the Celtics to end up with a top 2’pick, but I think that’s a mistake by SIXER fans. We NEED the Nets to fall below the Lakers pick, so that the Lakers finish with the 3rd worst record, and from there, all we would need is one team to move up on lottery night and it would push the Lakers pick to #4..
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Id rather see the Celtics get the #1 pick, add Ben Simmons
We get Ingram
Someone jumps up to #3 in the lottery
And the lakers drop to #4..
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Allowing us to come away with something like Ingram and Bender or Jamal Murray, or jaylen Brown….
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Easier to take a guy like Jaylen Brown who has to learn how to shit, if we already added a sniper like Ingram
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Think Jamal Murray is better than given credit for, but he is being held back by playing in a 3PG line up
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Ben Simmons gets on my nerves for making me watch Garbage LSU all year.. That team better get it together, it would suck if Ben Simmons team doesn’t make the NCAA tournament.
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Kentucky is so dissapointing… Think Ulis, Briscoe and murray are all being hurt by having to share the court with each other
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I like this draft, because there looks like a ton of potential to improve our team outside of the lottery
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If we get the Lakers pick this year, I would Imagine we spend a pick on Bender or Furkan Kormaz so we can stash one overseas for a year or two..
Cant be adding 4 first round players, EMBIID and Saric in one pffseason.
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If we get the Lakers pick, someone wilL have to be stashed overseas, or we would have to package picks to move up somewhere… I don’t know how we can add 6 new kids this summer
Not since Anthony Davis has there been such a consensus #1 pick, Simmons. Dude is a god among men.
Not sure the Sixers can afford to draft Bender or Qi.
Not with our pick..
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But I would have no problems if they wañt to invest the lakers pick in Bender who is as talentd as both Ben Simmons and Ingram..
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Jaylen Brown is better than he gets credit for, he just isn’t getting much attention playing for Cal
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Let’s say something crazy happens and colangelo makes a big trade that improves us too much, and we end up with the #6’pick, we would still get to add Embiid, Saric, and we could use the heat and Thunder picks on more polished prospects like Richuan HOLMES, for example adding Denzel Valentine Heat pick, Nigel Hayes with the Thunder pick, and Georges Niang (Noels AAU front court teammates)..
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We would stil Be able to add an infusion of talemt like: Embiid, Saric, Valentine, Hayes, and Niang, so In that scenario, would it really be the end of the world if we spemd our pick on Bender if he is head and shoulders the top talemt available when we fall to the 5th or 6th pick? I don’t see any realistic way we could end up picking worse than #6
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Next year we are going to take huge strides in growth regardless of who we draft with our pick in this draft..
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But I pray to the basketball gods for Brandon Ingram befire I go to bed every night… He will blow Wiggins away as a pro prospect
Problem for Jaylen Brown is that he is a SF that cant shoot
Doesn’t Neccessarily mean he won’t grow into a solid shooter,.. Unfortunateky in the 1 and done era, half the top Wing prospects that enter the NBA DONT have the polished shooting we would hope for in a wing..
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The kid is a winner, who has had some of his best games in Highschool against ben Simmons… He ismt as offensively polished as we would hope, but he is on Par with Justice Winslow and Stanley Johnson, two of the top wings in the last draft.
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It’s kind of a weird,draft class,. I have a feeling that half of the best 10 players from this draft will end up drafted outside of the top 10
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What really sucks for SIXERS fans is how damn Dissapointing Skal has been.. It would have been a big help to us to have an elite Bigman prospect who warranted being picked in the top 2, pushing Ingram down to #3.. Skal wil stil end up going high in the draft, but not top 2 which sucks for us..
jaylen Brown and Cal vs Oregon Ducks, 9pm ESPN2 tonight for worried Sixer fans concerned we fall out of the top 2
my god don’t even say the words 6th pick.
Lol a nightmare that would be,,, I would think that on lottery night, if you see the SIXERS logo at #6, or 5 or 4, better chance that it wjll mean that we got the Lakers pick than our pick falling that far..
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But Lakers are horrible, so even if we get their pick, it would Probably he #4 or #5… Doubt they win enough games for 5 teams to pick ahead of them. .
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I’m memtally preparing to not get the Lakers pick this year. But it’s not so far fetched that we hold on to the worst record, and a team like the nets fall to the Second worst record which would push the Lakers to #3, and in that case, we only need one team to move up in the lottery and it would push the Lakers to #4 and force them to cough up the pick..
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It would be cool to see the SIXERS fall to #4 in the Lottery, but the kIngs end up with the #1 pick. Amd force them to swap with us.. Lol
I was discussing this with my friend, everyone is so enamored with Simmons. Maybe its not the worst thing to get the best guard, scorer if we dont get the #1 pick. Im not in tune with guys coming out but is that reasonable or is this draft all about getting Simmons even with all our bigs. Holmes is looking really good
2 is ok. Beyond two is in trouble b/c as Anders says not sure they can draft Bender or Qi.
Fuck ben Simmons… People like that he is 6’10 and so skilled… Mark my words, when Brandon Ingram is done growing he will be 6″11 so damn talented and coordinated that he can be a rare Tracy McGrady type who can even play SG for us even tho he is so damn tall… Obviously he will play plenty of SF, but the kid is so talented that he may actually be able To be an insanely tall SG
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Ben Simmons is over a year older than Ingram. I’m not sure Ben Simmons today is Better than What Ingram would be next year against College Competition when he is the same age as Simmons is today..
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EMBIID, Nerlens, Jah, Saric, Baby beast HOLMES, Grant.. We are so damn set and stacked in our Front Court.. Start dumping assets into perimeter players..
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Simmons wishes he grows into the shooter that Ingram already is today. The kid can dribble the ball, get to the rim and eithet jump over defenders and dunk on their face, or ne is very good at facilitating and getting the assist when he drives to the rim.
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Ingram will grow to be a 6’11 wing, shoots the ligjts out from 3 or can shoot well pulling up off the dribble.. Can rack up assists with all the attention he gets driving to the rim.. And Ingram projects to be a top not Defensive player at the next level.. Ingram gives us the insane shotblocking on the perimeter that we get from Grant.
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I adore this kid, and Im no Duke fan..
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I don’t want to trade Okafor, NERLENS or EMBIID at this stage, and I feel like we have to trade one instantky if we want to draft Ben Simmons… A 6’10 highly skilled Fascilitating PF is very similar to what SARIC brings to the table..
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I want Brandon Ingram on the Sixers so damn bad,, I want him more than I ever wanted wiggins or amy player in the past few drafts.. I have him as the top perimeter player to enter the NBA in the last few,drafts.. Kid is a Baby, and he makes scoring against top college cometotion look so damn easy… That kid wil be a heckuva pro..
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I struggle seeing how we can draft Simmons. Where does it stop? What will we do if we win the lottery next year in a draft where Harry GIles, another Center will be the top pick? We can’t draft PF’s and Centers for 5 straight drafts.
Simmons or Ingram with a first pick and Furkan Korkmaz with the Lakers pick
No WAY!! Zero shot that happens!
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If we do draft Kormaz, it would NEVER be with the Lakers pick. The ONLY reason Porzingis was drafted in the top 4 is because he was coming to the NBA immediately…. Saric could have gotten himself drafted in the top 5, but he decided to sign a new contract to stay overseas for two more years, and refused to work out for any Teams, which is why we got such a talented kid outside the top 10
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neither Kormaz nor Bender will come to the NBA immediately, so they won’t be drafted in the top 5 (definitely not Kormaz at least) … Gotta take into account that the GMs picking in the top 5, usually don’t have the jpb security to spend a top pick on someone who won’t help improve the team and save the GMs job for at least 2 years,.
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MIrotic should have been a top 10 pick, but he fell to the 20’s because he was going to wait 2 or 3 years before coming to the NBA..
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You can’t find an example of a team that spent a top 4 pick on a kid that stayed overseas for a few years before coming over..
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bender is so talemted, and PORZINGIS is so good, that maybe a team with a GM who has job security like Lakers Mitch Kupchek may spend a top pick on Bender…. But Kormaz is going to fall out of the top 10, unless something changes and he finds away to come to the USA next year.
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Euros that ARENT coming to the USA right away fall in the draft.. Not a lot of GM’s from the worst teams with the Job security to spend top picks on a kid who won’t come to the USA for Years! Because of this, we could Probabky package the thunder and Heat pick to move up and secure Kormaz after we already drafted two other playets with our pick and the Lakers pick…. Unless he get out of his contract early, which right now is not the case..
haha check out deadspin article up on Evan Turner, too funny. Didnt know he was really that full of himself although he was sort of joking in that interview to be fair
Lol yeah Kermit the Frog is pretty delusional.. Today he is still convinced that he was a great #2 pick in the draft lol.. You need confidemce to reach his level, but he can be delusional at times
If the Sixers get a top 2 pick and Saric comes over, Hinkie has the security to go after Furkan
HINKIE will absolutely have the green light to spend a pick on a guy who will stay overseas,,. That’s not the problem. I doubt Colangelo, hInkie or brett will want to add 6 rookies to the roster this summer, and that’s not even counting the possibility of hnkie finding another HOLMES/Grant type of steal in round 2, so stashing a guy overseas won’t be a problem for hInkie.. Id be more surprised if they DIDNT draft someone that we will stash overseas if we get the Lakers pick giving us 4 first round picks, Joel and Saric. And this doesn’t count 2nd round picks
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But even if I exoect the SIXERS to draft a Euro stash this year, why would I want to see us draft a kid at least 5 picks sooner than where any other team would draft him? I’m a fan of Furkan and because we need to stash someone, I think there is a legit chamce that he ends up being drafted by the SIXERS, but the Lakers pick is way too soon, the Fact that a team will have to wait 2 years for Bender to join them means there is a legit chance a top talent like Bender falls out of the top 5, so the Lakers pick which would be no worse than #6’is just too soon to draft Furkan.
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Furkan will still be available outside the Top 10, so while I would be happy to see us add him, and I expect to spend a pick on a kid we stash overseas. The Lakers pick would be too soon to draft Kormaz,.. Heck, we could probably get Dragan Bender with the Lakers pick…
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You don’t see elite European prospects two years away from coming to the NBA! Drafted in the top 10, łet alone top 5… bender is special enough to possibly break that Mold and go top 10 (if a GM has job security), but the Lakers pick is way too soon for Kormaz… We would have to trade back outside of the top 10 and draft him… But we may be able to get him, by trading the Thunder pick to move,up a few spots from the Heat pick and snatch up Kormaz, so we would get to draft two playets in the top 5(if we get the Lakers pick), and package the heat and Thunder pick for Kormaz… If we miss out on Kormaz, probably turn our attention to Athletic French Wing, Lawuwu…
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I will be hype if Kormaz is a Sixer, but the lakers pick is too soon
I’m ok with Ingram even at # 1. I’m with you (for now at least, based on my limited knowledge).
I had the displeasure of hearing Steven A. on the radio on the way home from work talking about Simmons. He said he’s a combination of Magic, Kobe, & LeBron all rolled into one. LOL
lol yeah I heard the idiot talk about how Simmons is the #1 pick and that there is nothing else to talk about lol silly… Id bet when we get close to the draft we start hearing Ingram get more respect and be considered as competition for Simmons..
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I can only see 1 reason to claim he is head and shoulders ahead of Ingram, and that’s because his body is more mature at 230 plus lbs, where as Ingram is a Twig who needs to add weight… But Ingram is over a year younger than Simmons. Ingram would probably slaughter college competitipn as a 19yr old next year, more than Simmons is dpIng as a 19yr old this year.
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It also kind of scares me that Ben refuses to shoot shots outside of the paint
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I think a team can draft Brandon Ingram, kick their feet up and be confident that they will be getting a kid who will grow into a 6″11 more talented version of a stud two way player like paul George. The kid is amazing, a kid so young, so skinny, SHOULDNT make scoring 28 points from shots all over the court look so effortless… And as a wing player he projects to be an elite shotblocking wing like Jerami Grant…
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And for those that want Ben Simmons, I ask, where does is stop? ANOTHER front court player? What happens next year if we get the #1 pick in a draft where Harry GIles a Center will end up probably being the top pick? Are we,just going to draft PF’s and Centers with top 5 picks in 5 drafts in a row?
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Maybe we could draft Ben Simmons #1 and trade NoeL or OKafor for Brandon Ingran, but I don’t want to trade Noel or OKafor yet
Oh No… INGRAM is THAT Talemted to the point where by the time the draft comes around, he will probably to start get respect as someone who can challenge ben for the Top Pick
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Media is ENAMORED with Ben Simmons, but Come june, I would understand if some team makes Ingram the #1 pick instead
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And this is Not to diminish Ben Simmons, the kid is legit stud potential, but Ingram is also very very special player
God I hope they can get Simmons. I haven’t been able to get into NBA the past …. decade? ….. due to how bad the Sixers suck.
Don’t worry. The Kings will take care of that for us.
Pederson getting interviewed next week.
oh no wait until the troll hears. Even if Chiefs win, you can interview that week? Then why not this week?
If there’s a next week.
Lurie’s on the committee that covers relocation of teams so he’s gotta deal w/ that the next couple of days i think.
I looked this up it’s true you can’t interview them this week but yes next week. wth? if it’s too distracting one week why not the next? why penalize the assistant coaches up front but then the 2nd week say go ahead. How arbitrary.
great point.
goofy rule!
I dont need to hear. I knew. Come on man. Pederson IS the next head coach.
well at least you respond to troll now.
heh
Pederson will be the coach. I will meet you in public when it happens if you want to bet.
To interview a coach still in the playoffs next week, you just need their current teams’ permission.
I don’t think they can say no I just read an article all they can do is pick the day
He’s just keeping the seat warm for McNabb
courtesy flush
We might have hired Gase by then
Hope so… I don’t feel like living thru the shit storm of furious Eagle fans if they hire Doug Peterson..
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I hate the candidates like him who basically baby sit an Offense that the HC andy Reid really is in charge of and calls plays for.. Like McDermoot and Rivera… I like the Coordinators who coach the unit that the HC doesmt coach… Offensive HC, I want the DC. defensive HC, I want the OC…
Like gase in Denver?
I have no idea if Gase is a good candidate of a horrible candidate.. I couldn’t tell you the difference between adam Gase and Adam n Eve..
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I’m talkimg about how the city of Philadelpha would respond to the Hiring, since fans and media are dumb enough to think they have any accurate idea whether a candidate is good or not..
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I have No personal opinion on whoever they hire.. But in fairness to Gase, he has way more experiemce than to just associate him with one of his previous coaching stops. To me, his value is his versatility and experiemce at different stops, but that’s just a general impression. I have no clue if he is the best of worst man for this job…
You must have had a complete melt down when Reid was hired then.
Since Reid didn’t “baby sit” the Packers offense or call the plays.
It means he’s an unknown, not necessarily bad. He may have learned a great deal, and have his own good ideas that he can’t implement that would make the offense better. Or he may be completely awful on his own.
For me every candidate is an unknown… Even hiring chip kelly today is an unknown because it’s hard to know what he has learmed,and what he would do different after being fired.. We all are Constantly growing, even as fans, Id like to Think I have,a better understanding today then I did 3 years ago, coaches are no different,.. I’m sure different experiences will teach guys different lessons and maybe shape or change their beliefs and approach..
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Nothing to do but keep an open mind. Play the wait and see game and Hope the people making this decision on our behalf get it right..
Eagles’ assistant OL coach Greg Austin named OL coach at Central Florida who hired former Oregon OC Scott Frost as their HC.
Rumor that Billy D heading to Jags to interview for DC
i’m sure there are plenty of fans willing to drive him.
Interesting. I think he’s better than his statistical record shows here, but I’d still aim higher if I were the Jaguars.
I’m surprised Gus B doesn’t want to take over seems like his job is riding on fixing that defense. He didn’t get fired but he also didn’t get an extension.
He’s reportedly going to call plays on defense.
people really still believe that? it was the lack of players again wasnt it
Bradley would have a much better idea if Davis is screwing up his preferred defensive scheme, and be able to correct things, I’d guess.
They had Bob Babich for the last 3 years who may have been the only worse DC option back in 2013.
wait……he’s been fired from the eagles?
nah but yo udon’t have to be fired to interview.
you can’t move laterally unless you’re released from your contract
interesting, you think Lurie wouldn’t release him?
Maybe we can get a late round pick for him?
And the previous team complains. If Lurie lets him, it’s fine. If the new coach wants him as DC, then it will be Lurie’s choice whether he stays or goes — he couldn’t accept another job without actually being released first, but interviewing is another matter.
No. It was understood.
Makes sense, he is a 4-3Under guy (even tho we forced him to run a 3-4) and Gus Bradley is aLso a 4-3under guy from his seattle days
Hope Minter and McGovern follow.
Pretty neat little trick Hextall just pulled off shipping Vinny and Luke Schenn to the Kings for Jordan Weal and a 3rd round pick! I know we will retain 50% of salary but that clears a lot of money off the books plus opens up two spots on the team!
It is so effing nice having a great GM for the Flyers again!
Now back to our regular scheduled debates on coaches and some guy named Rooney.
When did Keith Allen give up the reins . . . 1990 or so?
I know he went in the Hall of Fame in 1992 so you are probably correct on the time frame.
Is Jordan Weal any good? Excuse my ignorance
He is very small, but very productive. If you want a skilled 4th line, he seems perfect
Thanks guys… All I know is last time we did business with the Kings, they went on to win It all… Hopefully this trade works better in our favor
Yea Hextall was working with the Kings when that trade went down I believe.
I don’t know much about him but from what I can tell he is a B level prospect. I am more pumped that we relieve ourselves about 4 million right now plus Vinny prepares to retire by the end of the season, which then takes his contract 100% off the books!
He’s still just 23 so there may be hope.
Godly
IF Packers lose this weekend does Mike McCarthy get fired?
My sleeper pick. Most don’t think so as GB is big on stability. Rarely bring in outside FAs, rarely fire coaches.
Clock starts ticking for next season, maybe.
6 division titles in 8 seasons, 3 conference title games, 1 SB. Only one losing season.
That said . . . Mike Sherman — McCarthy’s predecessor — had winning records in 5 of 6 seasons, including 4 division titles.
The Pack fired Sherman after his lone losing season.
Sherman, however, never got the Pack past the divisional round.
Still, a common perception is that he is holding the Packers back (his in-game decisions almost certainly do, but that may overlook a lot of other great coaching aspects of his.
So how does his boss feel? Talented roster + Aaron Rodgers. A blessing and curse for a coach. Expectations! I could see it going either way.
Is that what Packers fans are saying, I wonder.
(won’t know what management thinks ’til the day he’s fired.)
Even with the talent, particularly on offense (not sure about the defense), it’s hard to find coaches who churn out division titles nearly every season not named Bill Belichick . . . or Lombardi.
There’s parity in the league generally. I mean even though bears, lions, vikings have generally been bad, eventually you find a qb and all of those high picks start producing.
That’s the thinking of a reasonable man raised as an Eagles fan. How warped is your perception if you’re a Packer’s fan? Yeah. The name of the damn trophy is your history. You went from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers. That has to have moved the perception of what is “normal”, or what is a “reasonable” expectation. Just my 2 cents. I’m sure there are fans on both sides.
I think it’s not a matter of “does he deserve to get fired?” which is always the way we approach coaches. When I think the approach should be “Is an upgrade available?”, as it is with players. I certainly hoped Lurie was thinking in those terms when he made his decision. Otherwise you are cutting off the nose to spite the face.
A87:
Those opening 2 lines were very, very funny. Nicely done.
The entire comment is hilarious — because, as you said, it’s what a warped Eagles fan would say!
Fantastic.
and possibly from Rodgers to Hundley.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Hundley.
He should have been fired last year after giving that playoff game away and not playing in the Superbowl.
I want someone in the media to get to the bottom of the Front Office plan. LURIE claimed that Roseman would be (Insert some bullshit flashy title) and not hire a GM, but hire someone to replace Marynowitz who basically replaced Gamble, and then “collaborate” on decisions (as if every personnel department doesmt collaborate on decision)… So LURIE claimed he will hire someone but not GM… Yet I keep hearing rumors that we are planning to hire a,GM, starting with a report from Chris Mortenson saying he was 99% sure we would hire a GM…. So What is the real truth?
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I would be thrilled to add a new pair of Experiemced eyes in our front office. But ROSEMAN is pretty damn good in some important areas, so Im hoping that we are able to add a talented and Experiemced “football guy” who gets along with ROSEMAN, and finally have ROSEMAN, a HC and this new personnel guy who will be on the same page, and work well together to execute a plan they all believe in..
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Even if we ass a greats experienced GM, you still want ROSEMAN to oversea our Cap, we still want ROSEMAN to negotiate and handle all the contracts. You still want ROSEMAN setting your draft board, you still want ROSEMAN negotiating Trades…. I just want an Experiemced guy with a real eye for pro talent, who is smart enough to use Howie’s strenghs to our advantage.
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We can’t have another situatuon where we add someone who isn’t even willing to respect Howies opinion, since ROSEMAN clearly has the respect of LURIE
Eagles have seemed to do pretty good limiting the leaks lately, at least of stuff they don’t want to be leaked. I don’t think the local media knows. If anyone was talking to them, they’d report it.
It was reported by Eskin(questionable) I know that Ballard could be a candidate for what at the time was thought to be a GM opening. I don’t know if he would come for less than a full GM role. I do find it noteworthy that he hasn’t been mentioned as being a candidate for the Detroit or Tennessee full-time GM jobs. He is definitely worthy. At first I thought it was because KC was still in the playoffs but both teams have been reported to request interviews of execs still in the playoffs. Ballard makes a ton of sense if he is willing to work for/with/alongside Roseman. He’s a Bob LaMonte client, same as Roseman. He previously worked in Chicago, as did Eagles’ director of pro scouting Dwayne Joseph and Eagles’ senior scout Marty Barrett(he was the Bears’ long-time director of college scouting). So there would be some degree of continuity.
Good call..
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Mortenson seems to think that he knows for certain that we will hire a GM… If true, kind of weird that they wouldnt hurry up and get a GM hired before the coaching search… Typically when a franchise really wants to clean house, they hire a new GM who then hires His head coach and drafts or signs HIS QB… But apparently the Eagles ARENT looking to totally clean house, since ROSEMAN already has risen from the ashes.. I’m hoping they keep Bradford…..
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For me the Ideal situatuon would be a DC who is ready to be a Great Head coach, who will focus on bringing a Philly style defense back to the Eagles, while hiring Pat Shurmur as the OC, who will design an offense for SAM Bradford, and call the plays on offense.. From there we NEED a strong coaching staff… Maybe keep Shurmur, Undlin, Fipp and DUCE in place… I would hope we offer Azzinaro and possibly Stoutland a chance to stay, on as the line coaches, but I’m not sure if they would stay without chip.
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minter and Bicknell HAVE TO GO, I like Minter, but ILB and WRs did not progress as much as we had hoped under those coaches.
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Get a great defensive mind, who is ready to be a leader of men and grow into a long lasting eagle coach. Who is excited about coaching Bradford, keeping Shurmur, Undlin, DUCE, and Fipp in place… And upgrade the rest of the staff
Think you can have a kind of an explanation depending by what you mean as a GM.
If Howie is going to sign contracts, choose free agent targets and run the draft, and conduct staff evaluations Sounds like a GM? yeah
Personnel executive is going to run the scouts and prepare a draft and free agency board ranking every player taking into Account how the coach wants to us to play. Sounds like a GM? yeah
2 people – 2 parts to what people traditionally think of as a GM. There is no reason why you cannot split out the 2 roles… have one person build boards and rankings while another goes and takes that information and executes with it.
Isn’t that what chip wanted / got? Putting the scouting team under the HC?
This system wouldn’t put the scouting team under the HC. It would either put them under Howie or consist of 3 equal voices.
Howie Roseman is the GM of the philadelphia eagles, idc who they hire as director of pro personnel or whatever Marynowitz’s job title was, that person will just answer to Howie.
Gase has second interview with Philly 🙂
how is that even…wait is this one of those “but what is a drop?” things, you know what, no, I will not turn on the NFL rewind to take this on. Just going to live with it.
probably Djax had a drop, i think mac didn’t have any drops, or maybe vice versa, i don’t know. Have to wonder if either Skins or Chief s are in playoffs w/out those players.
we definitely could have used the talent. Uhg, we actually had a WR tandem to stand up to the rest of the NFCE, but nooo, we let Washington have the best tandem. At this point I’m convinced, the threat of Jaccpot made that run game great.
I’m not opposed to bringing back Djax for the right price. I think he goes to the Chiefs next year for a reunion with Andy.
Nooooo.
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fuck
SMH… Not sure if I should laugh or cry
cry I think
can they catch passes from Bradford I wonder?
can anyone?
He throws a ball that is too soft.
pfft Agholor had only one dropped pass………..
per target
for the record, that makes them both better WRs than Demaryius Thomas. I’m sick of people only evaluating WRs for their measurables, not for how well they catch a goddamn football.
DT had a “I just got paid” year.
He was banged up all year. He still continues his 1300+ yard seasons.
So if DT caught those drops he would be somewhere near Maclins + Djax’s production.
Stats can be misleading.
https://twitter.com/EaglesHighlight/status/684917377855795200
Not misleading at all
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The Fins will make a strong, strong push for Adam Gase I’m told. Been locked on him for a while. Will try to keep from getting back to PHI
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Not discounting Eagles’ chances of hiring Gase, but I’m sure the 2nd interview thing was leaked by his agent to partly let other teams know that if they want him, they better be prepared to pay.
Yeah not surprising. Does he have giants interview scheduled? Wouldn’t be surprised if above tweet came from Gase’s agent, big fish small pond this year.
Yep, he interviews with the Giants on Friday.
Tue – Philly, Wed – Browns, Thurs – MIA, Fri – Giants
This weekend, Philly?
I don’t know, is he the right guy? I guess — not great options. I don’t 100% know if i see shurmur doing it he’s too laid back, BUT i also like where the team is right now. I guess lurie / roseman has to decide if they like shurmur’s vision. He def will play well.
I think philly is a scary job to a lot of guys. NY is a bigger market but the fans are lame so not so scary. Miami, is an easy job, no one expects much.
Didn’t La Canfora already tell us that no one wants to work with Howie, three years ago? Not sure why we ever thought we had a shot at him. I mean, c’mon, it’s Howie. Jason says he’s bad.
Yep, but since then he’s taken a more moderate tone on Howie. Seems like he knows he got used by someone with an axe to grind.
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Probably a nobody saying nothing, but just in case.
I trust him, I think. He has a lot to lose by sticking his neck out like that.
What does he have to lose?
;~D.
WIP trying to drive up ratings
who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoy4_h7Pb3M
Awesome
DeGaetano doesn’t have the best track record from what I’ve seen.
but he said “Solid Source”.
Exactly. An ice cube is solid, too, until it gets some heat. ;~).
i’ve never even heard of him, who is he? a radio host?
what does ” told as much” even mean?
he is offered the job before the 2nd interview?
Howie just loves this guy.
“you didn’t play football either? the last guy thought I was just a contract writer, we’ll show him won’t we?”
“who’s we?”
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Good discussion below on Bradford … I’m on the fence with him. I do think he’s late on a lot of throws. That would be my biggest concern but I also think that’s teachable…I am not sold on Denver’s QB. Success in one system doesn’t always =success here(wrs for starters). I kind of remember a Brady backup that every body drooled over….
Packers backup, a couple of eagles backups. I think the fact that Bradford beat last years numbers w/ an 8% drop rate and no Maclin or Jackson is a big plus for him. I think given more time he’ll learn to trust his targets more. He hasn’t had an offseason to work on his craft in like 2 years.
Agreed….huge decision for the front office on the qb situation. I can’t comment on footwork etc…but I tend to think he’s workable/usable…
be nice to hop off the qb carousel.
Late on throws? I never saw that. How are you late on throws for crossing routes? I get it for sideline and comeback routes, but not crossing routes.
Sometimes you have to throw the ball before the wr breaks….last game in 3rd down…wr runs a post…stops turns and is wide open…Bradford was late…defender had time to knock the pass away….he’s late many times…
Are you sure it was his first read? 2nd read? Until you break down the all 22 film, you can’t be sure.
For as much as I rag on our local tabloid media, there are several of them here that do really good breakdown of film. Late throws don’t seem to be an issue. Shit, if you take away dropped passes in the last game, Bradford was over 80% completion rate. Or this just nitpicking on why he didn’t have a perfect completion %?
i’ve seen him be late on throws, but not a whole lot. This is usually fixed with time and continuity with your receivers, learning to trust each other, timing…..all that good stuff
Bradford seems kind of dumb to me. Why did it take him so damn long to learn an offense that has like 5 plays? If we have a new coach and a new system, when is Bradford going to be able to learn the new offense? 2017?
I like his arm, but you can’t fix stupid.
So then your question becomes, why did the OL, RB, WR, and TEs take so long to get it right? He wasn’t the only one that struggled at the beginning of the year.
I think that with qbs you can’t expect them to hit the ground running right away especially this one. Bradford had two acl surgeries and didn’t trust his knee in those beginning games because he threw using upper body only. You could see him not stepping into throws or navigating pocket well. He also was two years removed from playing in the NFL – so rusty. He didn’t have a preseason to get timing down with this pedestrian group of receivers. On top of that he had a new offense to learn. He got better as the season went on with horrible o-line and mediocre receivers dropping balls. There was lots of dropped passes and touchdowns or negated great plays by dumb penalties. He got pummeled a lot. He showed me he had the brains and the toughness to be signed again by us. Bradford will get paid if not by us then by Bill O’Brien and the Texans. O’Brien will win the division and be a force with Bradford if we don’t sign him. O’Brien did it out in Houston with four awful qbs this season to get to 9 and 7 and the playoffs. Imagine if he had Bradford. Everybody saw him get better. That game against Cardinals where he threw for 361 yards against that defense showed a lot. Bradford in the driver’s seat.
Has anyone talked about Derell Bevell? Was Farves QB coach in GB, OC in Vikings when Farve had best year and now Russell Wilson is overachieving (who Bevell scouted and got drafted)
apparently seahawks hate him, credit offensive success to tom cable(o-line coach) and the run game
Bevell was a semi-hot assistant 2 and 3 seasons ago.
Don’t think he made any interview lists last season — even before the SB.
(I think that’s right)
Bevell is legendary after that last Super Bowl. So I don’t think any of the talk has been good.
Gase spent 4 seasons with Eagles DB coach Cory Undlin on the Broncos staff.
Curious what Undlin, if asked, would say about:
– Lurie
– Roseman
– Facilities
– Roster
– Current coaching staff
– Living in the area with a young family (both CU and AG have 3 young kids)
Maybe Undlin wouldn’t offer much beyond the DBs and living in area with a young family.
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Reminder: Gase is married to the daughter of Saints assistant Joe Vitt.
Vitt, by the way, served as Ray Rhodes’s LB coach from ’95-’98 . . .
So Gase’s wife, a football brat, may have some impressions already about living in the area. (Presumably good or why he even interviewing here.)
Undlin, that’s 1 coach I hope the new staff retains.
I’d like to think that’s an easy call for whomever the Eagles hire. (Did a real nice job with Rowe. And Jenkins’s game stepped up.)
Only question — assuming Gase agrees — would be whether Undlin gets a better offer that Lurie/Roseman won’t match.
But with 3 young kids, jeez, you’d think he and his wife would like some stability for them.
Isn’t he still under contract? I just assumed when they brought him in last season, it was under a multiyear deal.
Not typical for position coaches to get multi-year deals. A function of demand, I guess.
My read, at least. (Couldn’t find anything on-line either way regarding Undlin.)
I remember when we hired him he said he was fired by the Broncos and chose to come here. If he was fired, he had to have a multiyear contract there?
Lurie said at the PC that all the assistants were under contract for next season.
great catch.
While IMO the national media rips Philly for its fans and whatever else, I think Philly is an attractive place to go. Philly is a Top-5 media market with a rabid fan base, and if you are good enough to succeed – why wouldn’t you want to be worshiped like a god? Plus, an owner that isn’t meddling in your affairs is also attractive.
Maybe NY out of the other teams would be more attractive (bigger market, lots more commercial attention).
Just my thoughts, but I’d think he has a very good impression of Philly as a destination (as well as other potential coaches).
Excellent observation. 😉
The jets fired special teams coach Bobby April, I remember him being a top special teams coach at one time, him and Bowles were here together bad part
If we can’t figure out the GM role, we could ask Ron Hextall to do double duty.
If Gase gets consideration for making Cutler look good, does that mean McDermott should get credit for making Kurt Coleman look good?
If the entire defense was built around Coleman, sure.
True, just making conversation.
If the entire defense was built around Coleman they would be 1-15, not 15-1
I’m assuming their one win would be against the Eagles.
This isn’t the same Kurt Coleman
Can we bring their DB coach with him if we hire him?
I’m actually glad for Kurt. If he had the athleticism then I think he might have been a top 5 safety in the league.
TB fired Lovie Smith. I think this is likely so they can promote Dirk Koetter to HC since reportedly the Eagles and Dolphins were considering him. If not, the team does have Winston and some young talent and may be an attractive opening.
I was wondering what was going to happen there, that defense has been no bueno. Tampa 2 is done i think as a system. If they were going outside I don’t know why they waited so long to throw their hat in the ring.
Quietly already reaching a deal with their preferred HC before axing Lovie? Them hiring Chip Kelly wouldn’t shock me. They almost hired him 4 years ago.
Who will improve thir D? The 45 second 3&outs will be even tougher on a bad D
Timing a bit strange.
It’s already late Wednesday.
Making sure Koetter would take accept the job before sending Smith out?
if it was koetter why not just name him
Have to play the Rooney Rule game.
Interesting, even if you name someone in house? I guess it doesn’t apply to interim coaches?
Don’t think so, not sure.
Rooney rule?
New article posted.