Nick Foles?

Posted: February 7th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 682 Comments »

I didn’t expect to read this when I woke up.

Are these agents playing games? Or Eagles leaks?

Jeff McLane indicates they aren’t true.

I don’t know about you, but I’m definitely looking forward to more of this nonsense for the next 30 or so days.

Howie Roseman will use the media to get info out in the open. Some of this is true and some not. The goal is to either confuse other teams on what the Eagles want to do or to help create leverage with agents when it comes to bargaining on contracts.

So you have Howie playing his games and agents playing their games. Add in the fact that the top free agent QB is Sam Bradford of the Eagles and you can see where this is going to be Rumorgeddon.

Some quick takes:

  • The Eagles should not tag Sam Bradford. He’s just not worth that money.
  • Jimmy Bama raised the idea of tagging and trading Bradford. I think the market for Sam will be so limited that I don’t think it would make sense to try this.
  • Bringing back Bradford at the right price would be ideal. Good player. Just not worth overpaying for, unless you feel like you’re on the verge of being a title contender. I doubt Howie and Doug Pederson will see the Eagles in that category.
  • Bringing back Nick Foles would be fine with me. I’m not talking about him as a long term starter. Foles has shown that he’s not a guy you build your franchise around. He could be Doug Pederson’s Doug Pederson, so to speak. Have him run the team until a rookie QB is ready to take over. Foles is a high character guy and has proven he can be an adequate starter, good under the right circumstances. I think he would be a good backup QB.

Expect all kinds of crazy rumors and reports in the next month. There are a lot of different scenarios involving the Eagles and the QB position.

Ideally the Eagles will find a long term solution to the QB position, whether that is a draft pick or getting Bradford or some other quality veteran signed to a long deal. Unfortunately, that is easier said than done.

One thing we have to remember in all of this is that Sam Bradford has something to say about where he plays. Yes, the Eagles can tag him. But they should only do that if he wants to be here. Per Tim McManus:

We made a case for placing the franchise tag on Bradford last week, a move that would likely cost the Eagles $19-20 million in ’16. It would allow them the opportunity to put their best foot forward this year while leaving flexibility long-term should they land their quarterback of the future in the upcoming draft.

Bradford, we’re told, isn’t dying to come back to Philadelphia, which might be part of the equation here. But there are worse fates than banking $20 million in a familiar setting for a season, and Bradford is a professional. It’s hard to picture him not investing himself in a season just because he’s not in his ideal setting.

I’ve also heard some hints that Bradford might not be in love with coming back. The key is that he has to find a suitor that wants him and that he is interested in. If the right teams don’t reach out to him, maybe returning to the Eagles will suddenly be the best option.

It is going to be interesting to see how this QB circus plays out, for the the Eagles, as well the other teams and all the QBs involved.


682 Comments on “Nick Foles?”

  1. 1 bdbd20 said at 2:27 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Shefter does a weekly radio spot here in DC. He was once asked about these reports. He pretty much said “I report what I’m told by my sources. I don’t analyze the scoops.”

    He’s very respected, but he does admit to being used by agents and team reps.

  2. 2 GermanEagle said at 2:35 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    He could be Doug Pederson’s Doug Pederson, so to speak.

    If you don’t wanna win more than 3 games next season, then sure, why not?!

  3. 3 Charlie Kelly said at 2:46 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    foles can win us more than 3 games next year. sanchez probably couldnt tho

  4. 4 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:38 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I really don’t understand the desire to bring in a QB like Doug Pederson to baby sit a rookie… If that’s the path we choose, then just keep Mark Sanchez… I think it’s Ridiculuos to get out of the Sanchez contract, to then go add a Chase Daniels type scrub… Makea no sense to me.,… We already have a QB who can lead us to a 3-13, 4-12 season next year in sanchez,,,
    I despise Fans wanting to make lateral moves, change for the sake of change… The ONLY reason we should be making moves is to Upgrade talent. Or upgrade our Cap situation (freeing money up)…. I hate Mark Sanchez, but he is perfectly fine in a doug Pederson role… No reason to cut Garbage Sanchez so that we can sigń some other Garbage QB who won’t prove to be the Answer to our troubles
    No reason to replace Sanchez with Chase Daniels

  5. 5 DanJ3645 said at 10:46 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It doesn’t have anything to do with on field performance between Foles, Sanchese etc.
    Pederson was a good team mate who understood and embraced his role to develop McNabb.
    If we get Chase or Foles to pair with a draft pick it will be because the staff believe they will be better at that support role.

  6. 6 BobSmith77 said at 4:51 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Weren’t Pederson’s Pederson an obscure English ’80s Bauhaus-style band?

  7. 7 A_T_G said at 2:48 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Remember last year when people were initially furious when they thought we gave up Foles for Bradford and got a second rounder in the deal (before going nuclear with the true information)?

    Now, although many still don’t want Bradford back, the views on Foles have changed. Tyler is threatening to drink Drano if we take him back for free. People are angry at the idea of taking him simply as a cost of unloading Bradford.

    Fans are funny sometimes.

  8. 8 Dave said at 3:00 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Fans saw a serious and alarming regression in Foles game over the past 2 years. He gives fans no hope for success based on his descending play.

  9. 9 Dan said at 7:46 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Really? Because Foles last year for the Eagles, his 8 games he played to start the season looked no different than it did during Bradford’s first eight except we won a lot more games. If the FO doesn’t think Bradford is the answer and doesn’t want to commit the money he wants, what are the other options?

  10. 10 Dave said at 9:22 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Apples to oranges. Nick Foles played with better WRs and a much better OL. Foles wasn’t coming off of 2 ACL tears and almost 2 years of not playing football. Bradford got better as the season progressed.

    The way I see it, they have 2 options, keep Bradford and draft a QB to groom OR sign Chase Daniel/another stopgap QB and draft a QB to groom. Either way, I don’t see a scenario where they don’t draft a QB.

  11. 11 BobSmith77 said at 4:46 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I hated the trade and if that is the trade Foles if he is fine as a bridge guy. Prefer that to signing Bradford to $20M+ to a long-term deal.

    Even if this team resigns Bradford, I don’t see this team winning 10 or 11 games next year. They’ll have to rely on a crappy NFC East and hoping 8 or 9 wins is good enough again to win the division.

  12. 12 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:38 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I hated the trade…. But for me, SAM proved to be much Better than I thought in a few key areas…. I don’t view FOles as trash because he looked horrible with the Rams. I think he can be better than what the Rams got out of him… But for me, Bradford clearly would give us a better chance to win that FOles…. Heck, I wouldn’t mind seeing a FOles vs Bradford QB battle in Philly, Id gladly take both
    As for Fans changing tbeir mind,.,, I would find it much more disturbing if fans ignore a year of new info just to stick to their initial opinion… I think it shows tremendous weakness to care so much about your original opinion being correct that you ignore new information… No one should ever be afraid to change an opinion when presented with new Information, i think Fans who ignore new info, and stick to their guns no matter what, are really funny… We should always be striving to gather new info. The more info, the better your chances of making a good decision.. ignoring new info is Ignorance… getting it RIGHT should be so much more important than Validating your initial opinion…
    Would you want the GM of the Eagles making decisipns based off of what,they believed a year or two ago? Would you want the Eagles GM to ignore new Information so he can stick to his guns and not change his opinion? Ignorance is rarely a new thing… I don’t know about you, but I sure hope that I will constantly learn and evolve…I hope,to be a smarter fan next year than I am today, I hope I learn to do my job better Mext year than how I perform today..
    Fans Who care so much about bng proven right and validating their opinions that they stick their heads in the sand and purposely avoid new info, is what you should be laughing at…

  13. 13 SteveH said at 12:25 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I liked Foles a lot, but his regression was pretty alarming.

    I’m ok with bringing Foles back, but only to keep the seat warm while we draft a youngster. If we’re not bringing Bradford back it doesn’t matter much, Sanchez, Foles, Chase Daniels… Any of them can win 5-7 games while we work out the future. At least with Foles I feel like there’s a chance he could recapture some of his 2013 form, but you definitely wouldn’t bring him here with the idea that he’s going to become “the man”.

  14. 14 kimsarah said at 3:06 AM on February 10th, 2016:

    I wouldn’t mind bringing back Foles, Maclin and McCoy.

  15. 15 RC5000 said at 2:53 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I think McLane’s tweet is misleading so I’m adding information to it. The dead money is if he is on roster when these dates pass.

    Some of us think he will be cut prior to 3/13. Reasonable that they would hot Foles 7.75 million and they also have Sean Mannion who has similarities to Foles.

    2016 salary fully guarantees on 3/13/2016

    2016 Roster Bonus: $6M (3/16, guaranteed)

    As for Nick Foles part of ESPN report, his name hasn’t even been mentioned in #Eagles discussions. Dead money hit in trade would be huge.

  16. 16 ACViking said at 3:33 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Per multiple reports on Foles’s extension . . .

    The moment Foles signed his new deal last August, $13.792 MM became fully guaranteed, including his 2016 roster bonus payable on 3rd day of the 2016 league year (which is 3/18/16).

    That means the Rams will take a cap hit of $6MM, whether they trade or cut Foles before or after 3/18/16. Won’t matter.

    The best the Rams can do by trading or cutting Foles before 3/18 is save $6M in cash — but the cap hit remains.

  17. 17 Fufina said at 3:39 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Err as long as they trade him before 3/18/16 they will not take the cap hit for the $6mil. Whoever pays the cash takes the cap hit. Its fully guaranteed which means he will 100% receive it.. but who give it to him can change, which means the the impact on the cap will change.

  18. 18 ACViking said at 3:46 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Fufina . . .

    My understanding is that the Rams are stuck with the $6M cap hit because that money is already guaranteed.

    Treated same as a signing bonus.

    Would welcome something from Sam Lynch or Joel Corry on this.

  19. 19 FairOaks said at 4:18 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Murray’s salary is fully guaranteed this year but if he is traded, another team pays it. According to if he is traded, the Rams just have the 2 million in dead money.

  20. 20 Fufina said at 4:27 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Cap hit is always on who pays the $$. In this case the Eagles would pay the $6mil roster bonus because he was on the roster on the 18th March (in the event of a trade), and then they would have the cap hit in 2016.

  21. 21 Greg Richards said at 4:31 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Right now, because it’s a guaranteed roster bonus, it’s charged against their cap. If another team ends up paying it though, it will be removed from their cap and applied to the other team’s.

  22. 22 RC5000 said at 4:58 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Why does turftimes article imply the advantage to a roster bonus over a signing bonus is to avoid creating dead money or are they incorrect about that?:

    Roster bonuses afford the Rams flexibility in managing their salary cap. They can be converted to prorated bonuses if the Rams need to create additional salary cap space. Signing/prorated bonuses, once paid, can not be altered, and can create the dreaded words “dead money”

  23. 23 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:21 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Rams are stuck paying it regardless

  24. 24 RC5000 said at 4:19 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Sorry I thought the purpose of a roster bonus was that you were on the roster on that date . I’m not saying you’re wrong it’s just the terminology.

  25. 25 Greg Richards said at 4:30 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    No, AC, the money is on their cap now but if they trade him to another team before that roster bonus is due that roster bonus will be charged to the new team and come off their cap.

  26. 26 RC5000 said at 4:37 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Why does turftimes article imply the advantage to a roster bonus is to avoid creating dead money or are they incorrect about that?

    Roster bonuses afford the Rams flexibility in managing their salary cap. They can be converted to prorated bonuses if the Rams need to create additional salary cap space. Signing/prorated bonuses, once paid, can not be altered, and can create the dreaded words “dead money”

  27. 27 ACViking said at 5:08 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    “Why does turftimes article imply the advantage to a roster bonus is to avoid creating dead money or are they incorrect about that?”

    Generally, that’s true about roster bonuses — unless guaranteed on date of signing the contract.

    Then, even if the player’s cut before the payment date for the RB, the team’s cap is still hit for that amount.

    The question is if the player’s traded after the bonus is guaranteed but before the payment date.

    This is Foles’s contract.

    Greg Richard’s wrote that a trade will — despite the guarantee at signing — create cap relief. Cutting Foles will not.

    That may be the case. And sounds sensible.

    I skimmed the CBA but couldn’t find a spot-on provision.

  28. 28 Dave said at 2:54 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    1/3 of next year’s starting QBs have a cap hit of over 19 million. 1/3 also have an average salary of 19 million per year over the life of their contract. 20 million for a year to see if he is a franchise QB with no risk beyond this year’s cap space seems reasonable when you consider dropping Sanchez saves about 5 million. You can still draft a QB but not worry that one will be there in the first round.

    On another note, who the eff cares if Bradford wants to be back here next year. This organization gave up a lot to get him. If he doesn’t want to play here, his agent can work out a trade to recoup a draft pick or 2 for us. He is a commodity that has value. If the Rams were offered a 1st round pick last year while recovering from his 2nd torn ACL, he is worth at least a 2nd this year.

  29. 29 Insomniac said at 2:59 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Why would Bradford be worth a 2nd?

  30. 30 Dave said at 3:01 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    For the same reason he was worth a first last year, or Nick Foles and a 2nd last year…Skillset

  31. 31 laeagle said at 4:23 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Exactly. He might not have proven he’s a 100% lock as a franchise QB, but he certainly didn’t hurt his stock.

  32. 32 Dave said at 4:44 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    That’s a valid point nobody seems to ask…did Sam’s stock go up, go down, or stay the same since last year?

  33. 33 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:59 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Up…. He was much better in many important areas than I thought he would be when we got him..
    pocket presence
    Rolling out and throwing on the run
    natural leadership

  34. 34 laeagle said at 5:35 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I think the worst you could say is that it stayed the same, performance wise. The only other factor is that at least you’d have to have some improvement in confidence about the injury concern. Not that it’s no longer an issue at all, but he made it through the year without any issues with the knee.

  35. 35 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:07 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Think his stock definitely went up in the eyes of NFL front offices, for a couple reasons, health being the obvious

  36. 36 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:20 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    We can’t on one hand act like SAM is going to have multiple teams showering him with 20mil a year contract offers, but on the other hand say that he isn’t worth a 2nd round pick… Which is it? Can’t have it both ways

  37. 37 Insomniac said at 5:20 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Uhh yes we can. Bradford is an average starter.

  38. 38 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:39 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Lol ok …. Apparently multiple GMs and coaches THINK he is worth 20 plus Million, but they don’t think he is worth a 2nd round pick… Got it

  39. 39 Buge Halls said at 5:43 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    And look at the contracts all those “average” QBs signed last year. That’s what Bradford will be looking at – $20 mill a year or so when you add in bonuses.

  40. 40 Insomniac said at 5:58 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    All of those QBs have had better seasons than Bradford has ever had.

  41. 41 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:12 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Well said…. Also, We are approaching a new era of QB pay, soon, almost every team that doesn’t have a QB on a rookie contract will be paying 15-20mil for a QB

  42. 42 Dave said at 4:32 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    We’re already there…2016 starting QBs on their 2nd contract have a low salary of 16 million. That would be Andy Dalton. All starters below that threshold are on their rookie contracts or are journeyman in a QB competition. Sam will get paid, either by us or someone else. If you say he is not worth it, you are drafting your starting QB.

  43. 43 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:57 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I think he is absolutely worth it,especially since he was still improving when the season was ended… I like Nick FOles, but comparing Nick Foles in 2013 to SAM last year is apples and oranges. Nicks 27-2 year came behind a top rated OL, FOles got to play behind a top rated run game (Shady led the league in Rushes), with Desean and coop making more plays down field than any of our WRs made for SAM…
    Forget the WRs, just letting SAM play behind an elite run game like FOles ENJOYED would probably make a huge difference in Sams effectiveness.. I doubt the 27-2 season provided anywhere near as many drops as Bradford had to try and overcome
    Id be willing to bet that if we Bring SAM back, we will see him reach a whole other level for us next year, for so many different reasons starting with being two years removed from the Injury, and having an Offseason to actually train as a QB instead of having to rehab an injury like his last two offeasons..
    I don’t want to pay SAM because of this past season, I want to pay him because I believe we haven’t seen half of how good he can be for us if we put the kid in a healthy situatuon with quality coaching… It’s no secret that you don’t even get to see a Qbs best his first year in a new scheme, with new coaches and teammates and it’s even worse when you missed your last two years due to injury… . Even if you want to pretend that this isn’t true, no one can claim that they saw Bradford reach his ceiling. When the season ended it was pretty obvious that he was still improving.. What’s most impressive is that he started to perform like one of our best Pffensive players down the stretch, while the entire franchise was in Dissaray..
    Forget that all of his teammates are strongly supporting him, I think we saw how much the locker room thinks of Sam when the entire team QUIT as soon as he left the dolphins game with an iNjury, quit in the Detroit game, quit in the tampa game, yet as soon as he comes back, the team stepped up and performed in New England,.
    We were destroying the Dolphons, SAM gets hurt, and the entire team Lays down, completely quits for the next game and a half, yet SAM comes back, and instead of the Dysfunctipn getting wprse and worse, the team aCtually got its head out of its ass and played for SAM.
    Knowing that he played the positipn better than the stats and results would indicate, I would be personally shocked if we let him get away… This is an opportunity at a legit QB that we can build this team around, and knowing how hard it is just to find another QB as good as SAM, let alone better, I am convinced SAM is the QB of the Eagles… Nothing would shock me more than Roseman and Pederson letting Bradford get away, it would really shpck me… But who the hell knows what they are thinking..
    But if I had to read the tea leaves, To me it looks like a coach and GM have been trying to wallk a fine line of letting the media know that we value him, while trying to avoid saying anything that could increase his agents leverage

  44. 44 kimsarah said at 3:08 AM on February 10th, 2016:

    Bradford still panics when the pocket closes in, and cannot move around like a Cam Newton to compensate.

  45. 45 philllyfanatic said at 2:57 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I hope they tag Bradford and trade him for pick. Denver, Houston, Cleveland and San Fran each need a QB after tonight’s game. Neither Denver nor Houston should see a franchise QB at their first round spot. Would either of them give up their late first round pick and a fifth round pick for Bradford? Would Cleveland or San Fran give up their early second round pick and a fifth for Bradford? I’d franchise him and take my chances trying to trade Bradford.

  46. 46 Nick C said at 3:12 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I really agree with you. I don’t see why some think he won’t have a trade market. “Potential”franchise QBs always bring back Value. We got a 2nd and Drc for freaking kolb, 2 2nds for Alex smith, a 2nd for late career McNabb. And the list goes on. If one team thinks Bradford is a franchise QB, you really think they will balk at the price of a 2nd rounder??

  47. 47 laeagle said at 4:21 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I agree. People are saying it won’t happen because it doesn’t happen often, but that’s because the particular set of circumstances doesn’t come up often. That particular set of circumstances has arrived, so the frequency with which this sort of trade has happened in the past is no longer relevant. The necessary conditions are here. Better question is, how often has this sort of trade happened when the necessary conditions were there?

    I think it’s quite possible that there could be a trade like what we saw for Matt Cassel. Or the team could decide to keep Bradford, hoping he is more like Rich Gannon than Nick Foles (people forget that Gannon was a nobody who became league MVP; why doesn’t anyone every bring him up as a comparison?).

    The one thing I think they will NEVER do is just let Bradford walk. Chip would have. Howie won’t because there’s no value in it. Worst case scenario, you franchise him. At least through the draft. If you don’t get a rookie you like, you still have Bradford. If you do get a rookie you like, you can rescind the tag if Bradford hasn’t signed it (and why would he prior to the draft?).

  48. 48 Anders said at 3:02 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I hope we draft a QB this year, be it Lynch or Wentz in the first or Prescott in the middle rounds

  49. 49 unhinged said at 3:55 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    The problem with trying to build a contending roster with a mediocre, low ceiling QB, is you can really only work on the defense and ST. You can sign world class OL and high-priced RB and receivers, and they may or may not look like busts because of your snap-taker. We’ve seen Nick’s best work, and we’ve seen that Sam’s less than great work is significantly better than that. Tag him and then decide if he’s worth a contract, and draft a QB.

  50. 50 ChoTime said at 7:49 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Sam has done something better than Nick’s best work?

  51. 51 unhinged said at 5:25 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yeah I think the 27/2 was a bit of an outlier. New scheme, new tempo for opponents to adjust to. Sam’s mechanics and accuracy, and his ability to read and throw, while not dazzling, are better than Nick’s, imo.

  52. 52 1StikDik said at 4:00 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Hackenberg in the first. BPA thereafter. Easy. Hack won’t get past Houston. Goff is the next Smith. Lynch is fundamentally flawed. Wentz will be first QB off the board. If Howie doesn’t overthink it this draft will set up well for the Birds.

  53. 53 RC5000 said at 4:08 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Hackenberg isn’t good reading defenses, he doesn’t place ball well, he holds onto the ball too long, and he’s not smart. He makes bad decisions. He really can’t run or escape very well. That’s fundamentally flawed. He’s 3rd-5th rounder. If he wasn’t in such a bad situation he should have returned because he isn’t a good QB.

    What is this fundamental flaw of Lynch’s?

  54. 54 A Roy said at 5:47 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    That about covers my opinion of Hackenberg, too. Regressed since freshman year. It’ll take 3 years to get him NFL-ready. 3rd round pick at best, probably later.

  55. 55 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:56 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Whenever I see Lynch, Tannahill is the first thing that comes to mind

  56. 56 ChoTime said at 7:49 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Great, where can I sign up for that?

  57. 57 1StikDik said at 1:00 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Lynch is a runner and thrower. Hack was on a bad, poorly coached team and, to make matters worse played in the Big 10. Wentz played in the Missouri Valley Conference. I don’t agree that he isn’t good reading defenses. In fact I think he is good in that department.

  58. 58 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:08 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Two NFL execs from different teams claim WEntz is extremely over rated and that he shouldnt even be drafted in round 1, for whatever THATS worth..

  59. 59 Buge Halls said at 5:49 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Hack is worth maybe a 3rd round pick. Don’t let those Penn State sunglasses blind you to his actual skill set. A #1 on him would be a huge wasted pick!

  60. 60 1StikDik said at 12:51 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    At the moment you are right. That will change before the draft.

  61. 61 Buge Halls said at 9:59 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Other teams will over-value him for whatever reason. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s not a 1st round (or even 2nd round) talent based on his play the last two years. Whatever “intangibles” that pop up during the B.S.-fest that is the combine won’t mean a thing when he’s on the field making horrible decisions.

  62. 62 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:55 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Id bet that the Texans don’t even think he is worth a 1st

  63. 63 1StikDik said at 12:50 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Maybe not. His OL was bad… very bad. I think his mechanics can be cleaned up. He was a victim of poor coaching… really bad coaching. But he is smart, engaged, mobile enough and makes all the throws. He will certainly pass Lynch and probably Goff by the time the draft rolls around. When O’Brien was his coach some folks thought he would be at the top of the draft.

  64. 64 D3FB said at 6:20 AM on February 8th, 2016:



  65. 65 kimsarah said at 3:09 AM on February 10th, 2016:

    You can have Hackenberg.

  66. 66 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:07 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    While its a “fun” rumor, I hear the FOles “report” is BS…. Not to mention the big dead money hit the Rams would have to eat to trade him.
    It’s a mystery how Jeff Fisher still has a job, but I would think that if he dares approach his owner asking him to eat 8mil cap hit to trade away the QB Fisher just traded for a year ago, Fisher would be fired on the spot
    Kind of weird how Shefter is becoming more and more tabloid trashy recently.

  67. 67 Fufina said at 4:24 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    The take a $2mil hit to trade him if done before mid march… that is hardly an inhibitor to getting a deal done.

  68. 68 Greg Richards said at 4:28 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    That big dead $ cap hit only applies when released, not if traded before his roster bonus is true. The vast majority of the media is completely clueless when it comes to the cap.

  69. 69 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:30 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I was told it costs the Rams even if they trade him

  70. 70 Fufina said at 4:33 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Whoever told you is wrong, and needs to read the CBA, or at least a source that understands the cap. is pretty accurate and the guy who writes the site has worked on NFL contracts and is pretty accurate with this stuff.

  71. 71 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:07 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Take that up with Jay Glazier

  72. 72 Greg Richards said at 4:50 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I’m 99.9999999% sure that is incorrect. I think the confusion here is that despite it being a roster bonus not paid until the 3rd day of the league year, because it is guaranteed it immediately at the beginning of the new league year is charged toward a team’s cap. If another team ultimately ends up paying 100% of that roster bonus(caveat explained below) then it will be charged to the acquiring team’s cap and removed from the Rams’.

    Over the Cap talks a little about that in the article at this link:

    While Fitzgerald doesn’t specifically talk in terms of cap hit versus real money, he does say there is incentive for the Rams to trade Foles this offseason so they don’t have to pay that entire $6M. I believe that he means cap hit in that discussion but he isn’t 100% clear. Interestingly enough, from his wording, it’s not as simple as if the Rams trade him then the acquiring team pays the $6M. Apparently the amount of the roster bonus that each team pays can be negotiated in the trade. Theoretically, for example, the Rams could pay $3M of that roster bonus and the Eagles $3M. I believe that also applies to cap hit as $3M would be charged toward Rams’ cap and $3M to the Eagles, but that is my own analysis and doesn’t direcly come from Fitzgerald.

    Think of it in common sense terms. If as Fitzgerald alludes to an acquring team can pay all or a percentage of Foles’ roster bonus, does it make any sense that the Rams would be charged the entirety of the $6M toward their own cap and the acquiring team wouldn’t be charged any? If an acquiring team is paying a portion of that roster bonus and that amount is not charged against their cap, then in any other circumstance that would be considered cap circumvention. Alternatively speaking, if Foles is only being given a $6M roster bonus in total, would they charge the entire $6M to the Rams’ cap and charge the acquiring team’s cap the percentage of the roster bonus they paid? No, because if the total amount that was charged against teams'(plural) cap for a player was more than what the player was actually receiving, that would reduce the cap room for other players to receive. The NFLPA certainly wouldn’t like that accounting.

  73. 73 ACViking said at 4:37 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    The release vs. trade distinction provides much more clarification.

    Thanks, Greg.

  74. 74 ACViking said at 5:01 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Here’s CBA language I found that covers the acceleration of signing bonuses and certain guaranteed monies — which, under the CBA, are sometimes treated as “signing bonuses” for acceleration purposes (Art. 13, Sec. 5(b) – pp. 93-94):

    Clear? Not clear? Thoughts?

    (ii) Acceleration.

    (1) For any player . . . whose Contract is assigned to another Club via . . . trade, on or before June 1 in any League Year . . . , any unamortized signing bonus amounts will be included in Team Salary for such League Year [unless designated to terminate after June 1]. . . .

    (iii) Amounts Treated as Signing Bonuses.

    For purposes of determining Team Salary under the foregoing, the term “signing bonus” shall include: . . .

    (3) Any consideration, when paid, or guaranteed, for option years, contract extensions, contract modifications, or individually negotiated rights of first refusal; . . .

  75. 75 Greg Richards said at 5:10 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    It says unamortized portion. I’m not an accountant so I’m not 100% sure how they define unamortized with respect to the cap but considering that it’s in the section titled acceleration I think we can assume that means that unamortized is the same as remaining pro-rated signing bonus, That is typically charged immediately against a team’s cap when they are traded. I believe that the team that pays the roster bonus gets that amount charged toward their cap.

  76. 76 ACViking said at 5:14 PM on February 7th, 2016:


    The CBA’s clear to the folks who wrote it!!!

    Anyway . . . I think your release vs. trade distinction makes sense.

    And FairOaks wrote — and sorry if I missed this from you or Fufina (or anyone else) — that, per OTC, a trade . . . as opposed to release . . . frees the Rams of the $6MM.

    (Consistent with Fufina’s “Whoever Pays It” argument.)

  77. 77 Fufina said at 5:14 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yeah but we are talking about a ‘roster’ bonus, which is different to a ‘signing’ bonus, which happens in Y1 of the contract and is spread out over the next 5 years (or however long the contract is if it is less).

  78. 78 ACViking said at 5:19 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Fufina . . .

    Those CBA provisions state that certain other guaranteed monies are treated as “signing bonuses” — even if called something else.

    I was just kicking the language out there to see if it may cover this situation.

    Seems, at this point, if a player with a contract like Foles is traded before the Roster Bonus-payment date — regardless of the monies being guaranteed 2 years earlier — the acquiring team is on the “Cap Hook”.

    As you said.

  79. 79 A_T_G said at 4:35 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Where did you hear that? Who were you told by about the cost?

  80. 80 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:06 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Jay Glazier… But I seen enough conflicting reports to not know which side is up

  81. 81 BobSmith77 said at 4:43 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    If they made a football movie about Fisher’s career, it would have to be ‘Mr Mediocrity.’

    Just don’t know who would play him or how you could make a plot line about an endless array of 6-10/8-8 seasons.

  82. 82 eagleyankfan said at 4:44 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Fisher is only there because of the move. They are trying to make the move easy as possible. After this year, someone else will hire Fisher as HC. Why? I have no idea. I’m baffled by the fact he still has a job too.

  83. 83 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:09 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I just don’t understand… I don’t understand how he wasn’t fired two years ago…
    At least Marvin Lewis wins game… What is Fischers redeeming quality? It baffles me

  84. 84 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:09 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Faaaark off no to FOles lol

  85. 85 A_T_G said at 4:09 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    My son was making a box in which to receive valentines, a task that required him to paint the container at the table this morning. I told him that if he pokes at container in thrusting motion, instead of long strokes, it will be the only time today we see paintin’ dabbing.

    Blank stares.

    “Paintin’ dabbing? Peyton dabbing?”


    “Dabbing?” complete with the motions. “Peyton, the QB, Manning?”

    “Is that a joke, dad?”

    Pearls before swine, I tell you. Pearls before swine.

  86. 86 TommyLawlor said at 4:30 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Van Gogh wasn’t properly appreciated during his life either. The burden of being an artistic genius…

  87. 87 P_P_K said at 5:45 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Kids today. Sheesh.

  88. 88 nopain23 said at 4:19 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    This QB talk is really depressing. On a brighter note any chance Treadwell falls to us at 13. Admittedly I watched zero ole miss games but from what i’ve seen on the web he seems to have tremendous hands and a huge catch radius. A receiver who can ACTUALLY catch the ball would be a breath of fresh air around these parts.

  89. 89 Mitchell said at 4:32 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I replied to a post earlier saying Im not sure he is worth the 13th pick. He does have an aggressive style of catching and can go up and make a play but does suffer from several concentration drops on easy passes. In the games I saw he would often blow past the defender and the qb wouldn’t even look at him. I dont think Ole Miss threw to him enough! With all that being said I think he’ll need work on his route tree and while he is good in space its nothing special. He is a TREMENDOUS blocker, probably top 3 that I’ve seen. In summary, he is definatley a round 1 talent but I just wasnt impressed enough to say, “Gotta have thay guy at 13.” I had that feeling with Odell. With all that being said i feel as though I need to watch more because there is a lot of hype.

  90. 90 JJ_Cake said at 4:25 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I would be very happy to have Nick Foles back…. Along with Shady McCoy too. Those guys loved being Philadelphia Eagles. Shady was great while with us, Foles was a high character guy, good leader and team mate, and has shown good QB skills and decision making. Foles is competent enough to QB things until we find a legitimate QB of the future…. Oh, well, back to reality. At least they are signing some good eagles long term, and putting a great defense plan together with Schwartz and a 4-3.

  91. 91 Cafone said at 11:48 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    i concur

  92. 92 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 4:28 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    No Foles! Our options at QB aren’t Foles vs Bradford. Let Bradford walk and don’t even entertain bringing Foles back. It’s not one or the other. I think people only remember 27-2 and not how bad he has been over the last 2 years

  93. 93 Fufina said at 4:30 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Foles cannot deal with pressure up the middle. If you get in his face he starts to see ghosts and he will not step into throws = disaster. Give him a clean pocket and he can work well. 2014 Eagles and 2015 Rams had horrible interior lines and he just fell to pieces. If you deliver him a decent pocket he will be ‘fine’ which is enough for a bridging QB.

  94. 94 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 4:43 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Foles’ first instinct to give the ball to the other team.

  95. 95 Dan said at 8:01 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Wait, the year he went 6-2? Foles isn’t great. He is not a franchise QB. Like most QB’s in the NFL he needs to be in the right situation to be effective. He was in the wrong one with St. Louis, but to say he was awful for us is off base. Also, no one is saying if he comes back he is our franchise QB, however he would be a QB that Pederson has familiarity with and if Pederson feels like he is a player he wants to work with then it means Pederson seems to think he knows how to make Foles succeed on some level which I’m comfortable with. At times its better to deal with the devil you know.

  96. 96 BobSmith77 said at 4:35 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    So Goodell was on CBS today with the usual shtick but laid it on really thick about how the world is really a chaotic place (compared to when?) and that the SB is an important chance to give the world a break for a few hours.

    Goodell has taken a ton of flak and has made himself an easy target at times with how he has handled several incidents publicly. Still find him one of few sports figures that is worthy of as much derision though as he often gets.

    Worst part is I bet he actually planned to use that terribly crass marketing line too well ahead of time.

  97. 97 Insomniac said at 5:19 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Now if they can only declare the Super Bowl as a national holiday..and move it to Monday night.

  98. 98 Gary Barnes said at 9:09 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Election Day should be a national holiday way before the SB.

  99. 99 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:43 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    His comments were a joke… When talking about brain injuries, he had the audacity to say that “you can get hurt being a couch potato too”.. Lol

    Easy to say that you would allow your Kid to play football when you don’t have any kids..
    I thought he came off really bad… Listieming to him, I was Embarressed for him, for how clueless and Moronic he sounded

  100. 100 eagleyankfan said at 4:48 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    probably was already discussed and I missed it — why not target the back up in Denver? Won’t he be an URFA?
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m ok with Bradford. I also agree with not over spending to maintain him.

  101. 101 daveH said at 4:51 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    in 4 hours Manning would be the back up in Denver

  102. 102 eagleyankfan said at 4:53 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    lol, true. Denver will still have to sign a starter(if it’s true that the wizard of OS is an urfa)…his agent will probably create a bidding war though…

  103. 103 BobSmith77 said at 4:54 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    If you think the Panthers’ are going to win this game outright, isn’t it kind of a no-brainer to take ‘Newton as the SB MVP at 5-7 odds?’

    Is there anyone else who really has a good chance to win the SB MVP on the Panthers if they win?

  104. 104 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:14 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Ginn can get loose. I can see him getting a return TD and some deep passes.

  105. 105 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:17 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Scoring on a reverse or some gadget play

  106. 106 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:18 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Anytime he manages to hold onto the ball he’s a threat to score

  107. 107 BobSmith77 said at 5:19 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    25:1 if you feel like playing a reasonable longshot hunch.

  108. 108 Insomniac said at 5:16 PM on February 7th, 2016:


  109. 109 P_P_K said at 5:44 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    That’s who I was going to name. What a great athlete.

  110. 110 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:17 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I keep,flip flopping when it comes to this game.. I don’t know how I feel about it.
    Id probably say that it will come down to the Panthers run game.. if Jpnathon Stewart and Tolbert have a good game, Carolina wins the game… If the Denver defense can shut down the run and not allow the interior OL of Panthets to bully them, it becomes an Interesting game..
    cam is playing out of his mind, but I like the Broncos Secondary to have a big game against the Panther WR/TE’s…. So it comes down to whether the Carolina run game can get it going and help free up the Passing game… if Denver shuts down the Run, the secondary should have success against Ginn, Philly Brown, Funchess and Olsen
    If Denver defense can hold up against this physical Panther run game, I like Denver in an upset… Cam prob ends up with the MVP, but I domt think he can win this game without Jonathon Stewart having a BIGTIME performance against a top rated,Bronco Defense

  111. 111 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:53 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    If the ove/under on length of Natipnal Anthem is under 1:30, Overs is a lock… Lady Gaga will,stretch it out, ham it up, show her range
    But I don’t Gamble on Superbowls

  112. 112 BobSmith77 said at 6:04 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I thought it was 2:20. No way 1:30. You can’t sing it under 2.

  113. 113 shah8 said at 4:57 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Just the chip and mariota game last year. Except even more stale.

  114. 114 BobSmith77 said at 5:23 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Sal Pal – “I think the chances of Foles coming back to Philly are very slim.’

    Never understood how he became a national guy to begin with and has kept that role for so long. Can’t remember him ever breaking a noteworthy story with ESPN and just largely recapping the ‘obvious opinion’ that often relies upon a ton of cliches & no-to-little analysis.

    Even Jayson Stark still has some decent sources in town and breaks some Phils-related news items every now and then.

  115. 115 Insomniac said at 5:26 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    People love bullshit. Just look at ESPN!

  116. 116 Greg Richards said at 5:26 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    He was good before Reid. Must have been tight with Ray Rhodes. His sources dried up once Reid was hired and he’s never been able to find new ones.

  117. 117 BobSmith77 said at 5:27 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Thanks. I didn’t recall that far back when he was still in town with the Inquirer covering the Eagles.

  118. 118 Rockedupeaglesfan said at 5:52 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Jayson Stark is a god compared to Sal

  119. 119 ACViking said at 5:30 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Re: “Quarterback Craziness”

    Almost exactly 1 year ago, that was T-Law’s title for his February 10, 2015 post.

    The more things change . . . .

  120. 120 Insomniac said at 5:31 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Does stealing crab legs still make you the #1 pick?

  121. 121 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:38 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Are they King Crab Legs or Dungeness ?

  122. 122 Insomniac said at 5:43 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    As long as it’s not the fake crab then I would have to question if the guy’s intelligent enough to be a QB.

  123. 123 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 5:46 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    That surumi crap or whatever its called. ugh

  124. 124 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:50 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Glad T.O didn’t get in the Hall of fame… He will eventually, but for someone who did as much damage to teams as he did, no way should he have gotten in the first time..
    Think DAWKINS is eligible next year. he Better get in the hall Of Fame RIGHT AWAY! I don’t care that Atwater and Jon Lynch have been waiting longer to get it, DAWKINS was easily a better Safety than those two, so Dawk better get in over themm regardkess of how long they been waiting,,, DAWKINS had a huge role in the evolution of the safety position.. Ed Reed, Polomalu, Bob Sanders patterned their games after the new school father of modern day safeties whch was DAwk. He changed how safeties were used, what they looked for im Safeties,… And not for nothing, but that Andy Reid era was a special team, and DAwk was hands down the best player on that team whch was a golden era of sorts for us….
    fortunately DAWKINS working for the National media should help,him get the votes he would need…
    No way coes McNabb get in the Hall of Fame….. westbrook is an Interesting case,.

  125. 125 Insomniac said at 5:56 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Lynch wasn’t even on the same level as Dawk. It would be such an injustice to Dawk if Lynch gets in before him just because Lynch has a ring.

  126. 126 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:13 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Absolutely…. I hate the line of thinking that Lynch has been waiting years to get in, so he should go in first ahead of Dawk… What a load of crap! It should be simple, if 3 safeties are on the ballot, the best one should Get inducted.. No reason to complicate matters with other bullshit
    Thankfully Dawk is beloved Nationally and he has done plenty of work in the National media, so if Politics factor into the equation, we should be on the right side of it..
    Who is the philly Writer that will be voting, and most likely making DAWKINS case? I want to say it’s Domo? Or is that wrong?

  127. 127 Insomniac said at 6:19 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    You can take Lynch off that Bucs team and that could still be one of the best defenses ever. You can’t say the same with Dawk since he was the heart and soul of the Eagles defense. Not to mention Dawk has better stats too.

  128. 128 ACViking said at 6:24 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I always thought Lynch and Gary Fencik were interchangeable.

    But no one outsides of Chicago’s ever said Fencik was a HOFer.

    Lynch was very good. But he was a heck of a lot better with Simeon Rice and Sapp rushing the passer, and Brooks and Barber in front of him in pass defense.

    What HOF D-lineman did Dawkins play behind?

    Or HOF LB?

  129. 129 Insomniac said at 6:30 PM on February 7th, 2016:


  130. 130 BobSmith77 said at 6:52 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yup the only possible knock on Dawkins’ career is his overall play in the postseason. He disappeared/non-factor in a lot of those disappointing losses under Reid and got roughed up in the ’08 NFC Championship Game vs Cards. Seems like a million years ago.

  131. 131 ACViking said at 6:26 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Spot on that it’s Domowitch.

  132. 132 BobSmith77 said at 6:06 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    So the line was up to -6.5 for the Panthers this morning and go hammered down to -4.5 right now. I’ve seen even -4.

    Ton of ‘smart money’ waiting all week and jumping on the Broncos last minute after the public bet the Panthers.

  133. 133 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:29 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yeah but the line started at 3 or 3.5… People been betting on the Panthers so much that it climbed up to 6,5..
    I don’t know how true it is because unfortunately we live in an age where half the shit that is “reported” turns out to be false, but going into today, I heard that this is the mOST lopsided the betting has ever been in Super Bowl hstory, where a bigger percentage of the money was bet on the panthers than any other favorite in SB history…. If that Media report can be trusted, THATS an interesting Stat…
    Whenever I see money being so lopsided, I Tend to think vegas will end up benefitting, not the betting public…
    On paper, Carolina is clearly the better team…. But when you have an Elite Defense like Denver, you ALWAYS have a chance…
    I think the game will be decided by whether or not the Denver front 7 can shut down the run and keep the interior OL of the Panthers from Bullying them like they did To so many defenses…. If Jonathan Stewart and Tolbert get it going, Denver will lose…but if this elite Defense can shut down the run, I think we will see the Denver secondary Talent dominate the Panthers WR and TE that have been so Effective all year.. If Stewart and Tolbert have a big game rushiñg, Panthers run away with the game…, of course Special Team play seems to play a big role in most Superbowls

  134. 134 BobSmith77 said at 6:40 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yeah that makes sense and fits with professional gamblers dumping a ton of money today on the Broncos at +6.5 or +6.

  135. 135 Anders said at 2:55 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Im angry at my self for not taking Broncos and the under right now (most money was on the Panthers and the over)

  136. 136 Insomniac said at 6:37 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Thomas Davis has an interesting cast on

  137. 137 BobSmith77 said at 6:39 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    made out of flubber

  138. 138 Insomniac said at 6:41 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Evan Mathis looks pretty damn good so far..

  139. 139 BlindChow said at 6:41 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Phil Simms? why god why

  140. 140 Crus57 said at 6:51 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I’m watching the NFL Network feed via the BBC, no Simms.

  141. 141 BobSmith77 said at 6:55 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yeah I’d prefer Michaels and Collingsworth

  142. 142 Insomniac said at 6:53 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Something that is quickly becoming apparent. Both teams OL is giving both QBs a bunch of time.

  143. 143 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:10 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Carolina needs some points here, just for confidence.

  144. 144 Mitchell said at 7:10 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Joe Webb sighting on ST!!!! Jeez, they are wasting his talent not putting him at qb!

  145. 145 Insomniac said at 7:13 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Defense wins championships.

  146. 146 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:15 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Culture wins _____________.

  147. 147 Insomniac said at 7:27 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I think it was Simms who mentioned the 2011 NFL draft. Damn was that draft so top heavy.

    Cam Newton
    Von Miller
    Marcell Dareus
    AJ Green
    Patrick Peterson
    Julio Jones
    Aldon Smith
    Tyron Smith
    JJ Watt
    Robert Quinn

  148. 148 Bert's Bells said at 7:48 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Danny Watkins

  149. 149 Insomniac said at 7:49 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Never heard of him

  150. 150 Bert's Bells said at 7:55 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    He was almost an NFL player from canada

  151. 151 daveH said at 8:07 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I read he was chasing … ah why bother

  152. 152 Crus57 said at 7:37 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    11 mins to go in 2nd Q and Panthers will be out of challenges.

  153. 153 sonofdman said at 8:08 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Remember how dumb Sean McDermott was for always dropping the DE into coverage. It worked this time.

  154. 154 BobSmith77 said at 8:15 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Manning playing like he did in the other SB he won and the defense carrying him.

    Kubiak would never do it but they would be better of benching Manning at half time.

  155. 155 BobSmith77 said at 8:22 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    MVP is wide open and we actually might get a very rare defensive player who wins it.

  156. 156 sonofdman said at 8:24 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I think it would have to be Von Miller at this point.

  157. 157 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 8:27 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    If Peyton keep lofting those ducks Norman might show up in the stat sheet

  158. 158 Insomniac said at 8:40 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Miller or Darian Stewert.

  159. 159 BobSmith77 said at 8:29 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Whitaker o/u of 5.5 rushing yards with the over already. One of the more random single individual player prop bets.

  160. 160 Insomniac said at 8:41 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I expected the half time show to be god awful. It’s not bad.

  161. 161 Crus57 said at 8:42 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Tepid start but they harmonised well

  162. 162 Insomniac said at 9:00 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Carolina can’t get a break.

  163. 163 Duracell said at 9:11 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Seriously? Outside of that awful replay decision it seems like every break has gone Carolina’s way.

  164. 164 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:07 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    McDermott’s redzone defense is keeping Carolina in this game.

  165. 165 Insomniac said at 9:10 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Thomas was wide open and Peyton decided to gun it to Sanders.

  166. 166 scratcherk said at 9:27 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Would love to have the horses up front Denver does. Damn.

  167. 167 RC5000 said at 9:43 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Von was #2 pick. Shaq Lawson isn’t him but he’s a Hugh Douglas/Trent Cole type and he may or may not be there at 13.

  168. 168 D3FB said at 6:16 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It’s the depth that really makes them special. Yes Von and Ware are special. But they also have Malik Jackson, Derek Wolfe, Shaq Barrett, Shane Ray, Sly Williams. They had 6 guys with at least 4 sacks. They had 10 guys with at least 2. The fact that they could just come in waves is what made them special.

  169. 169 sonofdman said at 9:51 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Kubiak is calling this fourth quarter exactly like he did against New England. Ultra-conservative and just counting on the defense to hold a small lead. It almost cost them that game. We’ll see if it costs them this one.

  170. 170 sonofdman said at 9:58 PM on February 7th, 2016:


  171. 171 sonofdman said at 9:59 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I can’t wait for Peyton to be voted MVP when his coach is afraid to let him pass with the game on the line.

  172. 172 Insomniac said at 10:01 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    There is no way that Miller is not MVP.

  173. 173 sonofdman said at 10:02 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yeah, he should have been MVP even before that play. Now there is no question.

  174. 174 Insomniac said at 10:06 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Elway’s mercenary approach worked. Congrats Mathis, Chip cutting you worked out in the end for you. Peyton rides off with another ring on his hand and another record under his belt.

  175. 175 BobSmith77 said at 10:10 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yeah I haven’t seen anyone on here debating that it was a smart move to simply release him anymore either.

    That move and releasing Jackson for nothing (and reducing the team’s capability in each area) with no real contingency were two of the most foolish things Kelly did.

  176. 176 Insomniac said at 10:18 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Chip Kelly is not a smart man despite what everyone says about him.

  177. 177 sonofdman said at 10:19 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Is Chip was smart, he would have fired Davis and hired Wade Phillips last year

  178. 178 Insomniac said at 10:20 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    3 years of Billy Davis. It hurts thinking about it.

  179. 179 The original AG said at 10:21 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I think this was one of the things that bothered me most about Kelly, was his choice of DC. I don’t like DCs that wait for the game to come to them, I like aggressive attacking DCs that try to get after it.

  180. 180 Insomniac said at 10:22 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Now we have one!

  181. 181 anon said at 11:53 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    should have known then he’d be a guy that couldnt get out of his own way

  182. 182 anon said at 11:53 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    lots of teams passed on wade last yaer-group thing strong in the nfl

  183. 183 ChoTime said at 10:48 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    He is smart, but he is not wise.

  184. 184 Howie Littlefinger said at 1:31 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    He out smarts himself.

    U must mean his arrogance blinds him as he indulges his own ego

  185. 185 The original AG said at 10:09 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Good job to the Broncos, and congrats to Manning. Not many QBs can go out with a SB win. I’m happy for him.

    I also want our defense to be as good as Denver’s.

  186. 186 sonofdman said at 10:10 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Agreed on all points.

  187. 187 BobSmith77 said at 10:13 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Manning hurt his team more than he helped tonight. This was all defense. Impressive display.

  188. 188 The original AG said at 10:15 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I don’t disagree, and I really enjoyed this superbowl because of that.

  189. 189 BobSmith77 said at 10:21 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Was this one of my favorite SBs? No but it was entertaining enough to watch from start to finish.

  190. 190 RichEagle said at 10:11 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Von is SB MVP.

  191. 191 sonofdman said at 10:12 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    That was a cheap shot by Wolff. should have been roughing the passer

  192. 192 RichEagle said at 10:18 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    It just is not fair giving Wade two weeks and the personnel he has. Liked the job Shula did with the Panthers offense this year but that defense is elite.

  193. 193 BobSmith77 said at 10:24 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I thought about making contrarian bet when it got to +6 for the Broncos figuring this was going to be a lower-scoring game.

    Just wasn’t confident enough the Broncos could score enough to win (17+ pts).

  194. 194 sonofdman said at 10:25 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    good for peyton:

    He can now
    Home as a super bowl winner.

  195. 195 BobSmith77 said at 10:25 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Lack of offensive talent finally caught up to Newton. Stewart looked slow all night in part due to that injury with no decisive running, they doubled Olsen consistently, and the WRs outside just weren’t nearly good enough.

  196. 196 sonofdman said at 10:27 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    It actually reminded me of when the Eagles lost to the Panthers in the NFC championship game and the Eagles’s wide receivers gave them nothing all game.

  197. 197 Insomniac said at 10:27 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    To think that our WRs aren’t that much better than them is discouraging.

  198. 198 BobSmith77 said at 10:28 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yeah. Broncos had struggled most of the year vs TEs but they put 2 guys including a lot of safety help on Olsen. Just no Gronk and capable of making plays with that kind of coverage.

    Otherwise it was just man coverage outside and the Broncos CBs more than did their job with the pass rush.

  199. 199 Insomniac said at 10:26 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Buddweiser, the choice of beer for champions. I don’t know what to say.

  200. 200 Flyin said at 11:26 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    You can say… you don’t know how to spell the beer that can give you an instant migraine/hangover.

  201. 201 Insomniac said at 11:55 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Yea sorry about that I’m not into piss poor lagers.

  202. 202 Flyin said at 11:58 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Budweiser is the only beer I can not drink. Bud light, Bud Dry whatever is good.

  203. 203 Tumtum said at 10:28 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Best defense won. As expected!

  204. 204 BobSmith77 said at 10:31 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    It will be interesting to see where this Broncos’ D is now ranked all-time. They played well through out the playoffs (even though the Steelers were really depleted) and were dominant during the regular season too.

  205. 205 Tumtum said at 10:33 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I don’t feel like they have the hype of the 200 Ravens or 85′ Bears, but they belong in the conversation. Guys on that team are more low key.

  206. 206 BobSmith77 said at 11:16 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Everybody harps on the Eagles’ offense including whether they’ll resign Bradford but this game tonight showed me what a gulf exists between the Broncos and Eagles’ defensively.

    Looking forward to a possible defense next year that actually might be semi-capable including not giving up 28+ pts weekly at the end of the season.

  207. 207 Joe Minx said at 11:22 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    My thoughts exactly. They’ve taken a big step up in the coordinator department & have some good pieces to work with. But they’re still nowhere in the Broncos’ class.

  208. 208 BobSmith77 said at 11:24 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    One of the few I do wonder is how well Maxwell/Rowe will do in this scheme especially Maxwell. Eagles need a bit more speed ideally if they are going to match up a lot in man.

  209. 209 Anders said at 2:35 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I will bet you that the Broncos wont get even near the level of defensive play next year (hint: none of the dominating teams did come back to near their best level again)

  210. 210 Tumtum said at 10:59 AM on February 9th, 2016:

    You know, I don’t know that the gulf is that huge.

  211. 211 D3FB said at 6:05 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    DVOA has them as a historically great D.

  212. 212 Aaron said at 10:37 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Im a bad man, dont make me mad

  213. 213 RC5000 said at 11:02 PM on February 7th, 2016:×0/filters:no_upscale()/

  214. 214 RichEagle said at 11:04 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    No more bragging at family gatherings.

  215. 215 BobSmith77 said at 11:11 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    So much for sibling support. Man that is a cold and detached reaction.

  216. 216 Cafone said at 11:44 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    That’s Eli’s excited face.

  217. 217 BobSmith77 said at 1:19 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Can’t blame it on bad plastic surgery either.

  218. 218 Mitchell said at 11:44 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    What’s new? He always looks like that. He literally always has a “cold and detached reaction.”

  219. 219 Insomniac said at 12:23 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    This was when Eli realizes that the family pizza is going to be Papa John’s for the rest of his life.

  220. 220 ChoTime said at 9:03 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    That is kind of weird. I guess he was probably thinking about how it felt when he was in that position.

  221. 221 Greg Richards said at 11:07 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Interesting potential concussion mitigating device:

  222. 222 daveH said at 11:08 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    if tina fey wasn’t
    sofa king hot and funny she’d be a nobody

  223. 223 BobSmith77 said at 11:19 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Von Miller’s contract demand this offseason – $$$$$$$$$$

  224. 224 Greg Richards said at 11:21 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Denver’s going to slap the franchise tag on him.

  225. 225 anon said at 11:49 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    there’s a guy that earned the tag.

  226. 226 Anders said at 2:34 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    No, this is a guy where the tag is big fuck finger because he will get underpaid two years in a row while playing with 0 guaranteed money long term.

  227. 227 Media Mike said at 1:56 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Tag is a no-brainer for him. He deserves to be the highest paid pass rusher in the league and the tag is far below that value. Hell, they can tag him two years in a row and still be underpaying.

  228. 228 Media Mike said at 1:54 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Justin Houston is tops at almost $17 mil / year AAV

    Mario Williams is tops at $16 mil / year AAV

    Miller is going to be 6 years / $94 million ($19 mil / year AAV) +/- $1 mil / year.

  229. 229 BobSmith77 said at 11:21 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    The ‘Manning is the greatest’ talk has already started. He isn’t even better than Brady.

  230. 230 anon said at 11:49 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    couldn’t have predicted that’s how the game would turn out — lots of nerves from cam / offense. denver capitalized on TOs. Makes you wonder if SEA v DEN isn’t different if miller would have played.

  231. 231 Joe Minx said at 11:23 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I really enjoyed that shot during the game of all the good picks to come out of the 2011 draft.

    Danny F’ing Watkins.

  232. 232 BobSmith77 said at 11:25 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Don’t worry the guy who played a key role in that pick is long gone. . . oh wait. He’s their personnel guy key moving ahead forward in a currently understaffed FO.

  233. 233 FairOaks said at 11:28 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    So you think Roseman got additional control over the draft the year after that because it was his pick? If an owner makes changes like that 1) it is because something went wrong and 2) no way do you elevate the person most responsible for that pick. No, the person responsible for the Watkins pick is currently coaching in western Missouri.

  234. 234 BobSmith77 said at 11:31 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    It doesn’t absolve Roseman from that pick especially because Watkins’ biggest failure was to his lack of desire and preparation. Even after everything, Mudd said Watkins had the physical tools. Just didn’t do what was required at a bare minimum off the field. It was a scouting failure too.

  235. 235 FairOaks said at 11:34 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    And if Roseman argued against that pick and Reid picked him anyways? Again, you don’t give Roseman more responsibility if he had been in favor of that pick.

  236. 236 BobSmith77 said at 11:38 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Roseman was going to get that responsibility regardless because Reid got canned & Lurie wasn’t giving that responsibility right off the bat to Kelly.

    It’s always possible but I always found it highly convenient that the errors in the 2010 and 2011 drafts were pinned on Reid and MS2 was pinned on Kelly.

    Maybe that was the case but I tend to doubt it especially on Watkins. Not uncovering a personality flaw is a scouting issue.

    Good thing is will finally see about Roseman. I have a feeling he won’t be a disaster but his drafts will be pretty mediocre overall though especially this year.

  237. 237 FairOaks said at 11:53 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Er no, Reid was still around for the 2012 draft. Lurie explicitly removed some power from Reid and gave it to Roseman that draft (I believe that was when Lurie mentioned his “scorecard” where he tracked opinions of draft picks). It was only after the 2012 season that Reid got fired. In 2013 and 2014, Roseman had final say but of course was trying to get players who Kelly preferred.

    MS2 is almost certainly not a Kelly pick. The mutually-agreed-upon choices all went before the Eagles pick; Kelly is documented as wanting to take Jordan Matthews after the trade-back but Roseman thought he could get him in the second (which was correct) and use the first rounder on another high-level target. I would certainly guess that MS2 was tied on the second-tier list from the scouts, and probably was the position of most need at that point. So yes, that was most likely Roseman’s call. We’ll probably get a better feeling this year of how good MS2 is.

    It’s certainly possible the same scenario happened in 2011 — perhaps the Eagles’ main targets were gone and Watkins was in with the next tier group. But, that and Jarrett have been documented as Reid calls, and are the type of calls which can lose you some draft room influence.

  238. 238 Anders said at 2:33 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Also Peter King pretty much knew we had Watkins picked that year (King had some connections during the Reid years.)

  239. 239 laeagle said at 12:12 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Why is this so hard for people to understand? When Lurie said he reviewed the picks and determined that Howie was consistently correct, AFTER THIS DRAFT, how do we somehow assume that Howie was responsible for the shitty picks? The owner as much as said that he had reviewed what were good and bad draft picks, after the fact, and that that was why he was trusting Howie with the draft in 2012?

    I’m not saying the guy is infallible, but the cards are pretty clear about who he was and wasn’t responsible for. People do an amazing job of mental gymnastics forcing Howie to somehow be responsible for all ills, despite evidence to the contrary.

  240. 240 Joe Minx said at 1:39 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    That presumes Lurie was telling the truth about that, which I wouldn’t necessarily assume at all.

  241. 241 Gary Barnes said at 9:24 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Exactly. What does Lurie gain by being honest if Roseman did indeed make the bad picks? It serves Lurie’s purposes much more to make Roseman, the guy who is taking over, out to be the guru and blame the guys headed out the door for the mistakes. At the time, it was seen as so ridiculously convenient that most felt it was made up by Lurie to justify Roseman’s elevation

  242. 242 D3FB said at 5:59 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    1. That draft was the weirdest draft in recent memory because it took place before FA due to the lockout. You kind of had to fill holes.

    2. Both Watkins and Jarret are classic examples coaches taking over a draft board. Neither of those players are scouting department picks. Scouts will take upside over polish.

  243. 243 OldDocNewSeason said at 6:45 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    As a general rule, I agree with both points, but at the time the pick was made (when there was no reason for anyone to lie) Andy said Howie was high on Watkins from the outset.

  244. 244 D3FB said at 6:48 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    This guy right here, nah he’s kind of shitty. Half of us think he’s really bad at football.

  245. 245 OldDocNewSeason said at 6:54 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    1. Unnecessarily demeaning sarcasm.

    2. There was no reason for him to mention Howie at all. It was unprompted. He was giving Howie credit for what they expected to be a good pick.

    3. Even Howie said, Howie loved Watkins.

    4. The only people claiming Howie wasn’t high on the Watkins pick are:
    A – Lurie, when retconning everything that every draft pick ever, and
    B – The moronically gullible.

  246. 246 D3FB said at 7:38 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It was an offhand glib comment. It was not aimed at you. Nor was it meant as some grand declaration of who had control.

  247. 247 Insomniac said at 11:38 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    Most of those guys were already gone when we picked.

  248. 248 RichEagle said at 11:33 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    I was never a Cam lover or hater but this year, I thought he matured and became a much better player. I may have to rethink both. The “executive” decision he made on his second lost fumble and walking out on the presser is not what is expected of the league MVP. I can only imagine the hurt from a loss like this but you still need to be mature enough to sit and answer the questions asked by the media. The step away from the fumble is something he needs to address with his teammates. I know I wouldn’t want try to explain why I thought twice about trying to recover a fumble.

  249. 249 FairOaks said at 12:05 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    That has been my lingering doubt about him — he has not always done well when the chips were down. When things were going badly in a season, he was hardly the leader saying the right things to the press, etc. In general he has won when his defense was great. He definitely took a step forward this year, but he never was in dire straits — that defense put them in great positions (which Cam took absolute advantage of, of course — they certainly weren’t grinding out wins like Denver).

  250. 250 RichEagle said at 12:12 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I am sure the NFL wasn’t to pleased and a few people from Team Cam will be talking to him about his actions.

  251. 251 Media Mike said at 1:51 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Ross Tucker was discussing that aspect of Cam this past week on his radio show.

  252. 252 Joe Minx said at 1:38 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Definitely was not a good look for him.

  253. 253 Media Mike said at 1:49 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Ike Reese was not impressed

  254. 254 Gary Barnes said at 9:32 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It is an understood that Cam does great when all is going well, the team is winning etc., but if there is a setback or things are not going well or the team gets roughed up like it did last night, Cam may leave his comrades in the foxhole. That was certainly the pattern prior to this season, remember how badly we hammered the Panthers last season by stopping the run and pounding Cam in the pocket? Cam gets frustrated, loses focus and starts to look for exit ramps. I think he did mature this season and show more of an all-around game as QB, but once more in the SB the other Cam showed up.

  255. 255 Media Mike said at 9:36 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    And we’re going to be treated to a few weeks of “unnamed sources” on that whole deal.

  256. 256 anon said at 11:48 PM on February 7th, 2016:

    One guy i really wanted was Kony Ealy. Had 43 guy and some troubles coming out of college but i knew he was a best.

    one question is how can you look at a the sbs of the last 5 years and not build your team around defense?

  257. 257 BobSmith77 said at 1:17 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Interesting dichotomy that Lurie apparently refused to interview defensive coordinators for the head coach job yet went with a very experienced coach for the defensive coordinator position.

  258. 258 jaws80 said at 4:10 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Pederson is once again playing his best role for the Eagles, a placeholder. Before it was McNabb, now it is Schwartz. McNabb was too young to start, Schwartz failed as HC too much to be trusted as HC of eagles just yet. Schwartz needs time to just focus on building the defense up and let Pederson manage PR, being the face of the team, and setting up an offense.

    Eagles have more defensive pieces in place than offensive. If the Eagles are going to be a superbowl contender in 3-4 years, then 99% sure it will be because Schwartz molds them to being a top defensive team. We will be crediting Schwartz and his top defense for the ring, not Pederson. But if this happens, Schwartz will be gone as a HC somewhere else. Eagles would have to fire Pederson and make Schwartz head coach to keep Schwartz if the Eagles are superbowl quality in next 3-4 years.

  259. 259 D3FB said at 5:53 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    If the Eagles are contenders in 3-4 years its because they’ve found and developed a QB. And you sure as hell aren’t going to fire the offensive staff.

    If the defense is oozing talent in a few years you’ll be able to find someone to DC that unit. Much easier to find strong defensive guys than offensive.

  260. 260 Fufina said at 6:25 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Mainly because they do not get head coaching gigs ^^.

  261. 261 D3FB said at 6:33 AM on February 8th, 2016:


  262. 262 Anders said at 2:30 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    If defense was all that mattered Eagles would have won in 91.

    If you really look, you see that the teams that won was in general good on both sides of the ball.

    Yes 13 and 15 was won by historic great defenses

  263. 263 Bert's Bells said at 3:43 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Right. The great majority of championship winners have both a top 10 offense and defense. Top of my head -last night’s Broncos and the Ravens weren’t.

  264. 264 Anders said at 5:26 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    The Ravens wasnt top in anything, they just like the Giants in 07 and 11 got hot at the right time.

  265. 265 Bert's Bells said at 5:44 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Was thinking the original Ravens. 2002 or whatever

  266. 266 MattE said at 12:12 AM on February 8th, 2016:


  267. 267 kajomo said at 12:18 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    What is the risk of a Franchise tagging Bradford? If there is such a demand for his servcies that once he hits FA he will be priced out of our range, why isnt there a trade partner? If a team is so desparate that they are willing to pay him $20+ mil a season than giving up a 1st round pick isnt going to be a deal breaker.

    The Texans seem like the perfect fit. The top 3 QBs arent guarenteed to be there for them. They are wasting JJ Watt’s prime because they dont have a QB. It seems like a place that Sam would be comfortable going geographically. They also pick late enough in the 1st that the value seems right.

    The Jets, 49ers, and Broncos could all have some interest.

    If all else fails we can groom a young QB behind him. If Bradford plays well it only makes it easier to find a trade partner.

  268. 268 phillychuck said at 12:23 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Agree with this 100%. Tag him, trade him if you can get what you want. If not, pay him and play him.

  269. 269 FairOaks said at 12:26 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    The risk is him accepting, with the cap hit being too much for other needed moves. The second risk is losing the 3rd round compensatory pick we would get if he leaves via regular free agency (and we sign fewer guys than we lose overall).

    Of course, with the tag it’s possible another team would trade something higher than that pick (a second to recoup ours, or maybe a better third, and this year instead of next year). And it would give us a better chance of signing him longer-term.

    It’s a rather interesting decision, to be honest. You sort of have to be willing to actually play him under that one-year tag — because he could well be willing to play under it rather than sign somewhere he doesn’t want to be long-term.

  270. 270 jaws80 said at 3:56 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Texans seem like a great fit, and the Eagles seem luke warm, make a lot of comments about young QBs, so if he hits free agency, seems unlikely Eagles will offer what Bradford would need for him not to go closer to home to a playoff team.

  271. 271 bill said at 8:22 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I just don’t see it. If Bradford is as bad as everyone seems to think he is, the Texans, a team that has evaluated talent very well over the last few years, don’t seem like a team that’s going to sacrifice a 1st plus destroy their cap.

    I see them as more likely trying to trade up to take one of the top 3, or just waiting to take Hack later in the draft. Cap space will be an issue for them going forward with the talent they have. Cheaper, younger QB works a lot better than older (allegedly average) very expensive QB does. If Bradford’s average, they’re really much better off just picking a solid journeyman vet or some Tyrod Taylor type off of someone else’s roster – because at least there you get average with an average cap hit.

    Or maybe they make the move – but then I think all the “Bradford is no better than average” folk should be very worried that they totally misjudged him. If the Texans make that move, it’s because they think he’s much, much better than average, because that’s a lot of value to give up (1st + a lot of cap space).

  272. 272 D3FB said at 8:30 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    “Texans, a team that has evaluated talented very well over the last few years”

    I’m going to have to disagree. Average at best.

  273. 273 mksp said at 10:19 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Imagine if they drafted Mack + Carr instead of Clowney and Xavier Su’a-Filo…

  274. 274 kajomo said at 9:21 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I personally think he is that Matthew Stafford/Matt Ryan type QB when healthy.

    Its funny though. People will say “Bradford is not that good.” Yet everyone seems to agree he will get around $20 mil. That seems like a contradiction.

    If Bradford gets that momey than there was obviously an aggressive market for His services. In an aggressive market a 1st is no big deal in the grand scheme if things. That team believes they are solving their problens at the most important position in sports. If teams dont believe in him enough to trade the pick for himwhy would they even consider giving him that much money?

    If you needed a QB is there any guy you’d say “this guy is worth $20 mil of ky cap because he can carry this team”, but the 1st would be a deal breaker? If you are good enough for that type of money I’m happy to trade for you rather than let you hit the open market.

  275. 275 bill said at 9:30 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It’s more just along the lines of, if he’s really not good, you’re not just giving up a first, you’re giving up a lot cap flexibility to get him. So that’s an enormous price for average. Not sure why anyone would trade for average.
    And if he’s good enough to justify that salary, why wouldn’t you keep him?
    And if he’s good enough to justify that salary, why wouldn’t you keep him?

  276. 276 ChoTime said at 10:38 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Your analysis of the market is too simplistic, IMO. Just because a player can command $X does not mean he is worth $X to every team. All it means is that one team is willing to pay him $X; it does not even mean he will actually be worth it to them in the end. FA is a minefield.
    An average QB may be worth $20M for a decent team with a bad QB. He may be worth less than nothing to a rebuilding team that is going to draft a QB. He may be worth more than $20M to a contending team that just needs average play to win a Superbowl. This even leaves out contract length, a complicating but essential factor.

    Some recent teams that could have used SAM at $20M: Cards last year when they lost Palmer and had to play undrafted free agent scrubs, this year’s Superbowl champs.

    In short, a trade is possible and it could even be win-win.

  277. 277 bill said at 3:37 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Could the Cards have fit $20M under the cap for a back-up QB?

    I very much am aware of the subjective value arbitrage that lies at the heart of market economics. The problem is, you need to identify a team that is likely to subjectively value him that much more than you do. Cleveland’s always a good bet, because they’re so poorly run. Outside of that, I don’t see many teams that are going to be willing to a) pay him $20+M AND b) give up a valuable draft asset for him. One or the other? Sure. BOTH? Not really. Not saying it can’t happen, but just that the probability, IMO, is significantly less than the probability that Goff, Wentz, and Lynch all go in the top 10 this year.

  278. 278 BobSmith77 said at 1:21 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Love to see the all-time winning pct of teams that gain <200 total offensive yards in the playoffs by few different time intervals.

    Broncos gained just 194 total offensive yards tonight. I have to bet that has overall yardage has gone up that the winning pct has decreased a bit but that it is pretty darn low overall.

    I'd bet teams that gain <200 total offensive yard win less <25% of the time in the playoffs.

  279. 279 Media Mike said at 1:51 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I saw a blurb that it was the lowest total of any SB winner by a full 50 yards.

  280. 280 A_T_G said at 6:49 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yep, 50 less than the 2000 Ravens.

  281. 281 ChoTime said at 8:58 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yeah, you don’t need a franchise QB to win the Superbowl; you can do it with Peyton Manning!

  282. 282 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 6:08 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Interesting stat that was revealed right at start of 3rd quarter I believe….In the last 11 Super Bowls where the team that had the #1 D played in the game, they won 9. Now make that 10 out of last 12. Defense wins championships.

    Wade Phillips as DC is amazing. This is why I’m glad we got Jim Schwartz and got rid of Chip Kelly. Kelly has no concept of what the history of the NFL is all about and what it takes to win championships.

    Looking at the AFC and NFC championship games, 3 of the 4 QBs were the #1 overall pick in the draft….Peyton, Carson Palmer, and Cam. Brady of course is the anomaly.

    So build a ferocious defense because we don’t get the #1 overall pick

  283. 283 Fufina said at 6:23 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Well a hugely dominant defense can just take over games, but it needs to be almost at the level that Denver had to do so. There are a lot of ways to win a championship, for a couple of years dominant offense with a complimentary turnover based defense won with Packers and Saints. Then you had Ravens and Giants where it was about offensive and defensive explosive plays to make the difference. Last 3 years have been defensive affairs.

  284. 284 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 6:53 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Well said. I just don’t see us having a dominant offense for the foreseeable future, so I think we have a better chance of getting there with the dominant D with Schwartz

  285. 285 Anders said at 6:27 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I guess it was defense by yards right?

    and in some of those years, the defense that won was still in the lower 3rd of the NFL in yards, yet the opposition was just worse

  286. 286 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 6:52 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Good D and good QB play you have a chance to compete. Our D for last 3 years – based on Chip’s system – had no chance to be great IMO. If he runs the same system in SF he’s done in two years. If he changes, which he should have in Philly, then who knows? But changing (i.e. time of possession) would be an admission of “everyone was right and I am wrong.” Chip wanted his system to work more than he wanted to win. Just my humble opinion.

  287. 287 Anders said at 7:45 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Thats different than claiming you need to only focus on defense.

  288. 288 D3FB said at 6:31 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    There have also been 10 teams with the number 1 offense to win the Super Bowl.

    So ipso facto OFFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS (at least at the exact same ratio as Defense!)

  289. 289 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 6:44 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I guess my thoughts were we have a much better chance of building a good D with Schwartz than a good O with Reich and Pederson.

  290. 290 D3FB said at 6:54 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    You’re about as likely to get a franchise QB as have a historically good Defense. If not more likely and you have a longer window.

  291. 291 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 6:57 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Alright – if you’re GM tell me what we do this year with Bradford and at QB?

  292. 292 D3FB said at 7:03 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Tag Bradford and trade him for whatever you can get. Draft one of the top 3 QBs who all have franchise QB ceilings.

    All I’m saying is you’re more likely to find a franchise QB than you are to build like hell trying to make your defense historically good. There have been 4 of those units since 2000. There have been alot more than 4 franchise QBs in that period.

  293. 293 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 7:07 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I would do the same. Just wondering what Bradford and his agent are thinking he’s worth. Will we have partners in that deal? We should have one of those 3 guys, if not we have to roll with the next tier down in the 3rd (Brissett, Prescott, Cardale Jones, etc) Here’s hoping greatness comes back to Philly

  294. 294 D3FB said at 7:52 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I think you could get a 2.

    And I don’t really have any interest in the next tier. I’d rather roll with Sanchez and put everything into 2017 or see if Garropollo or Hundley are available.

  295. 295 A_T_G said at 7:55 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    His agent would need to be willing to work with the team in question. If we threaten to trade him to Cleveland, every other team looks attractive enough to work out a deal.

  296. 296 D3FB said at 7:57 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I mean the whole thing is going to be alot of off the record negotiations.

  297. 297 D3FB said at 8:00 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Cleveland actually probably has the best OL situation (if they retain Mitchell Schwartz)

  298. 298 Media Mike said at 8:49 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    You need to take that “if” and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. Schwartz needs to be signed here!

    But I know the increasing likelihood they keep Peters at tackle makes signing Schwartz a remote possibility.

  299. 299 D3FB said at 8:50 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Mitchell needs to send a gift basket to Mike Remmers.

    Remmers made him at least a few million extra last night.

  300. 300 Media Mike said at 8:51 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Mr. Lurie likes to spend extra millions!

  301. 301 Anders said at 7:46 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Also great defenses does not last, having a franchise QB lasts for around a decade

  302. 302 bill said at 8:36 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, Roethlisberger. Drafted since 2000. I’m sure some would argue Wilson, but I’m absolutely not on that train – his playoff performances have been underwhelming, to say the least. Maybe I’m missing 2 or 3. Hard for me to say there’s been “a lot” more drafted since 2000. Seems to me the best way is to not go all in on either strategy, just be smart and build, build, build. Maybe you get lucky and get a great QB, like the Steelers and Packers did. Or maybe you get lucky and create a great defense, like the ‘Hawks and Broncos did. Keeping both options open seems like a high percentage play, instead of chasing after phantoms with high draft picks. If Wentz or Lynch is BPA at your pick, then take him. If not, pass, and be smart by building the whole team.

  303. 303 Anders said at 8:37 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Newton, Ryan

  304. 304 bill said at 8:40 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’ll give you Newton. I’m not sold on Ryan, yet. Hasn’t really shown up in the playoffs at all, yet. Can’t say it’s all his fault and that he can’t do it, but he also hasn’t proved it yet, either.

    It’ll be interesting to see if Newton’s body can sustain the style he played this year. It was fun to watch a QB be a power runner. Maybe he’ll continue to be a freak and stay healthy with that style. If so, he’ll clearly (Media Mike aside) be a franchise guy. So, 6-4 since 2000.

  305. 305 Media Mike said at 8:41 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    “It’ll be interesting to see if Newton’s body can sustain the style he played this year.”

    Given how football is played; it shouldn’t.

    If you’d like to look at his strides as a passer this year, there is a lot of solace there…….but the called runs have to go away.

  306. 306 D3FB said at 8:45 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    He’s 6’5 260lbs. I don’t think you’re breaking him.

  307. 307 Media Mike said at 8:46 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Not as quickly, but the league needs to keep chopping wood. He’ll break.

  308. 308 D3FB said at 8:43 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Carr, Winston, Bortles are a good season from being seriously in the debate.

    A franchise QB is a franchise QB for a decade plus.

    You have a historically great D for one year. If you’re lucky it’s a top 5 unit for a couple years on either side. But realistically you’re looking at a one year window with a couple more of being pretty good.

    I’ll take the QB.

  309. 309 bill said at 9:22 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    And 2013 FOles was a season away, and many had Kaep there after 3 years in the league. I’ll wait to see them for 5 years before declaring them franchise level guys.

    Rodgers has one SB. Brees has one. Manning just got his second at age 39, but only because he had a “historically great defense.” I’m not sure how much longer the window is, because even the great QBs tend not to be repeat winners without a historical D (or cheating). Roethlisberger didn’t do it back to back (and again, his first was much more about the D, a power run game, and some questionable calls than it was about him). It seems like you get that franchise guy for 1 year, and then some really good play for a few years around that. I think once you start paying your franchise guy as a franchise guy, the likelihood of building a top 10 D starts dropping precipitously.

  310. 310 ChoTime said at 8:55 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yeah, this is the way to do it. Put together a solid organization and do things the right way. You will get some good teams together, and if everything falls right, you’ll get your chance at the Superbowl. You win games, keeps the fans in it, and being a good team gives you the advantage in getting top FA.

    In other words, do the exact opposite of what Hinkie has been selling.

  311. 311 eagleyankfan said at 8:32 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I would argue that “10 teams with the number 1 offense” comment – but I don’t have the energy. I agree with geeagle that the defense doesn’t have to be “elite” – just peak at the right time.
    One thing we do know — those were 2 pretty good defenses yesterday.
    You never hear the comment – I can’t believe they won the SB with such a terrible defense. But you do hear — they won the SB with such a terrible offense….

  312. 312 D3FB said at 8:39 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Also you only ever hear they won the SB with who at QB? without a top top D.

  313. 313 eagleyankfan said at 8:55 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    that chart shows that only 7 teams have a SB with a defense OUTSIDE of the top 10. Wow. Great chart!
    And that’s the great question. DO you need an elite QB to win the SB? I guess the list of ‘known’ qb’s is larger than the list of “who is that” at QB.
    It’s also interesting to hear people say ‘NE wins with Tom Brady and his offense’. Then when you look at that chart — NE’s defense has been pretty darn good through the years as well.
    That graph is “half” the story but still paints a good picture. The Giants defense rank on their last SB run — I’d argue they were top defense the second half of that season. Would be curious to know the ranks of the other teams that made the SB.
    Thanks for that list.

  314. 314 D3FB said at 9:04 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    My argument isn’t screw defense completely. It’s that all aboard lets build a super duper killler awesome defense in response to last night is not the right lesson to take away.

    There is more than one way to win the ship. But it overwhelmingly involves a QB. A top 10 D (which isn’t that hard to attain) and a good O (which if you have a QB is doable).

  315. 315 eagleyankfan said at 9:06 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’m with you on that – 100%. Fans tend to watch a game and the next day want the Eagles to be that team.

  316. 316 Media Mike said at 9:06 AM on February 8th, 2016:


    should just about get you to the top 10 mix.

  317. 317 bill said at 9:13 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    He just needs an H back.

  318. 318 D3FB said at 9:13 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    On D? Now that would be innovative.

  319. 319 Media Mike said at 9:21 AM on February 8th, 2016:


  320. 320 bill said at 9:26 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’m no ATG or Baloophi (clearly), but I can smack a softball for a single anytime it’s lobbed over the plate!

  321. 321 eagleyankfan said at 9:03 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    One could ask — how long is the list of “elite” qb’s to win, without a top defense(not saying ranked 1)? Is Brees elite? I guess so. Manning(s). Short list really. Rogers was an outstanding elite QB for years. Finally won with a top defense. I wonder how man years GB finished number 1 with defense with Rogers at QB and NOT win?

  322. 322 Media Mike said at 9:05 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    You need to get that (s) off of Manning. Chuck and duck and hope the ball sticks on a helmet or Chung misreads a play isn’t elite.

  323. 323 eagleyankfan said at 9:07 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    LOL. The point there was — if you look at that chart, the Mannings really skew with the offense and defense ranks. It’s almost uncanny.

  324. 324 Media Mike said at 9:07 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I don’t disagree with your premise at all, but I reject anything other than luck as to why Eli has two titles.

  325. 325 eagleyankfan said at 9:09 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Eli is beyond chuck and duck too. He seemed to never look at his target when he threw. He just heaved it down the field.

  326. 326 Media Mike said at 9:10 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    The amount of screaming I did at the TV during both of those games was unparalleled for a game that didn’t involve the Eagles.

  327. 327 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:27 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I would credit the Giants DL for the Super Bowl wins more than Eli..
    If I had to list an impressive quality of Eli’s game, I wouldn’t take about any of his on field ability, I would list his durability as an impressive quality
    Happy Peyton got his 2nd ring. eli having more just Wasnt right..

  328. 328 Media Mike said at 9:28 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    His durability is HEAVILY aided by the league calling a disproportionate number of roughing the passer calls when he’s barely hit.

  329. 329 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:29 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Not to mention no other QB is allowed to get away with as many intentional grounding no calls

  330. 330 Media Mike said at 9:29 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    And delay of games. And illegal forward pass when past the line of scrimmage.

  331. 331 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:12 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I don’t think it’s just about #1 defenses winning…. It doesn’t have to be a #1 defense, but there have been plenty of top defenses teams rode to a SUPERBOWL appearence… The Niners defense(loss to Ravens), Giants defense beating the Patriots, Bears defense carrying Rex Grossman to the SUPERBOWL, Seattle defense carring them to two Super Bowl appearences in a row…. It doesn’t have to be a historically great #1 defense….
    You only really need a historic defense if you want to win with crappy QBs like Peyton at this stage, or trent Dilfer …. But even if you have a franchise QB, odds are you defense better be worth a DAMN if you want to win a SB
    Look at all the matchuos between BRady vs Peyton (when both QBs were at the pinnacle pf the sport).. The team with the better defense ended up winning the majority of the BRady vs Peyton matchups
    Im a defensive Famatic, so obviously I want to see the Eagles build a top notch Defense, but the answer isnt to build up one side of the ball and ignore the other… We should be striving to build quality Offense, defense and ST….
    I do however hate to become one of those teams who think not having a top 5 QB is an excuse to waive the white flag and accept not being a contender

  332. 332 D3FB said at 6:24 AM on February 8th, 2016:


    I believe you spelled it wrong. It’s spelled FOles.

  333. 333 ChoTime said at 8:52 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    He needs to play better to get the extra capitalization.

  334. 334 mksp said at 10:15 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Actually, it’s “Nick ‘The rAINmaker’ FOles who all yous guys don’t undrstand is THE FrAnhcisE QB!!!”

  335. 335 ChoTime said at 10:41 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    That is so one year ago! Everyone knows Saint Nick forgot how to play football and is now worse than a backup QB. You know I’m all about that SAM, that SAM, that SAM!

  336. 336 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:48 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Cam had a great season, but that “business decision” he made, choosing to not dive on the ground for that fumble was not a good look.. I will remember that play along with McNabb throwing up, and running a hurry up offense in slow motion…..
    VON Miller is amazing…what an amazing playoff run he had..
    I think the unsung Heros were Denver DT’s, Wolff and what’s his name. They stepped up, shut down the physical Panther run game, and I was impressed with how well they did against the nasty interior OL of the Pats… Stopping the run won Denver the game. It made Carolina one dimensional, and without a run game, the Secondary talent of Denver overwhelmed the average pass catching weapons of Carollna
    Defense wins championship but the ability to run the ball late in the playoffs is a HUGE! Every team goes into these games focused on stopping the run and making the opponent one dimensional. When you can run the ball late in the playoffs, it’s a huge boost
    I enjoyed the match up, happy that Peyton won his second. masterful game plan by Wade pHillips. Reminds me of when Jim Johnson had the perfect game plan to shut down MIKE Vicks atlanta offense…
    When will we,have a secondary half as Talemted as denver?

  337. 337 sonofdman said at 8:12 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    McNabb did not throw up in the Super Bowl. That never happened. He did run a ridiculously slow hurry up offense. Also, the play after he supposedly threw up, he threw a 30 yard TD pass.

  338. 338 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:13 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Lol plenty of eagle playërs who were in the huddle have confirmed it….

  339. 339 sonofdman said at 8:18 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    They said he was gasping for air and trying to catch his breath. Noone ever said he threw up until years later when it became popular to blame everything on McNabb. Which was because of a cheap shot by Bruschi on the play in which Westbrook was wide open an dropped a pass that would have been a huge gain and possibly a TD (I love Westy, but he never took any criticism for that horrible drop). The next play, McNabb threw a long TD pass to Greg Lewis.

    It was the Superbowl. There are lots of cameras. If he threw up it probably would have been captured on camera.

  340. 340 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:20 AM on February 8th, 2016:


  341. 341 eagleyankfan said at 8:35 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    TO said it. Everybody, except McNabb, said it happened. I’ll side with Geagle on this one…

  342. 342 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:00 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Of course it happened, well documented BY eagle playërs who are pro Donovan, but let him play along… It’s not exactly some DAMNING watergate scandal that they need to cover up and pretend it never happened

  343. 343 A_T_G said at 7:49 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    D3FB – you tweeted yesterday that now would be the season to plan for our future by trying to build a team exactly like the SB winners.

    I turned on WIP this morning with that in mind and, sure enough, the caller on the line when I tuned in was receiving compliments for his idea that Bradford could be our washed up Manning and all we are missing is a historically good defense…

  344. 344 D3FB said at 7:58 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Better than when the hosts suggest we should give Peyton 30 mil to come be the bridge QB.

  345. 345 bill said at 8:10 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    That’s 2 out of the last 3 years that ‘historically good defenses’ won the SB. I wonder if we’re using the term incorrectly.

  346. 346 D3FB said at 8:14 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    The Ravens and Bucs were two years apart. But then it was a decade before we saw another one. Just the way it works sometimes.

  347. 347 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:56 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    At what,poïnt do the Broncos have to start worrying about the 70mil they gave to Demaryious? It’s amazing how terrible he has become since he got Paid..
    What are,the Broncos Goimg go do about it?

  348. 348 Anders said at 8:02 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Peyton Manning has no arm to target DT anymore, thats why all the balls went to Sanders and RBs

  349. 349 Media Mike said at 8:43 AM on February 8th, 2016:


  350. 350 TypicalDouche said at 8:44 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Demaryius in a “terrible” year still has 1300 yards and 7 tds. I would trade every Eagle receiver for him and his contract. Highly doubtful the Broncos do anything with him for a while due to the fact that the next QB there is going to need a top wideout. I didn’t see him mail the season in as you said, I think it was more of a product of the QBs that were throwing to him.

  351. 351 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:59 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    For a little I was wondering if the emotions of finally having his mother out of Prison and seeing him play for the first time, was hurting him… But he was M.I.A for the majority of the playoffs..
    weird that a lot of the big contracts given to WR last offseason didn’t provide teams with their money’s worth…. Demaryious has been dissapointing, Dez had a Dissapointing year (mainly because of injury I would assume), Randall Cobb shit the bed all year, instead of stepping up when Jordy got injured, Cobb dissapearred for large stretches of time..
    Julio did a solid job of living up to his contract especially when he was roasting DB early in the season… Maclin is hard to judge. He clearly provides an upgrade to KC, but we haven’t seen many WR put up big numbers in KC with Alex..
    This year we are looking at a razor think WR group in Free agency…. When Marvin Jones or possiblyt travis benjamin is the prized WR available, that says all we need to know about this years crop of FA WR… I find it hard to believe that the Bears will allow Alshon to reach the open market, especially when It looks like they will let Matt Forte sigń with a new team (some have speculated if Bellichick is planing to sign Forte)… It’s a bad year to be needing WR’s

  352. 352 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:33 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Amazing that Wade Phillips was out of football in 2014….. It’s one thing to be stockpiled with Talent, but Wade did a masterful job this year.
    KC had a quality defense in its own right, yet when you look at the difference between how KC defense held up against BRady (only hitting him once all game), compared to what Wade Phillips defense did against Brady was amazing… And to follow up that dominant performance with shutting down the Panthers offense that had been a juggernaut all season, Wade deserves a ton of credit for this Super Bowl run…
    The Denver DT’s,are the unsung Heros… They managed to hold up against an interior Panthers OL that had been bullying DL’s all year… Wolfe was all over the place. He had big role in this win. I don’t even know the other starting DT but he also deserves a ton of credit..
    The Denver secondary DOESNT get the noteriaty of the Legion of Boom, but it’s every bit as good, if not better..
    Curious to see if they can keep the defense together, or if they will start losing key players to big money offers from other teams?
    What’s up with First round pick Shane Ray? Did he even play for the denver this year?
    The loser of the week has to be the Practice player from Denver who got arrested earlier in the week as part of a prostitution sting and got sent home… The Big Winner is TE Nick “do you like Girls?” Kasa…. Him and his friends were sitting in the stands as fans watching the Denver/Patriots game, and coincidentally two days later he gets signed to the Denver practive squad because they needed him to Mimick GREG Olsen in Practice

  353. 353 Anders said at 8:35 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Von Miller > any edge rusher in the NFL
    and the Broncos secondary was much better than KCs the whole year

  354. 354 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:40 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Well yeah, I don’t think it’s any secret that VON is the best in the business. IMo he should have won MVP over JJ Watt..
    While KC may not have the #1 edge rusher, they have a damn good upper echelon defense. You can pretend it’s no big deal, but if we ever saw a high ranked defense like KC, play so poorly in the playoffs, we would be ripping that defense, and demanding someone be fired all offseason if that Happened in Philly,.. Bellichick would have fired the DC the day after if his defense grossly underperformed the way KC did against the Pats
    KC may not be the #1 defense, but they are a top 5 defense, and we would burn Novacare to the ground if our top 5’defense had such a poor showing in the playoffs… KC ISNT denver but they have plenty of Talent to be able to Demand more from them than their gutless playoff performamce.

  355. 355 Anders said at 8:43 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    “we would be ripping that defense, and demanding someone be fired all offseason if that Happened in Philly,”

    No we wouldnt, because nobody blames Dawkins or Jim Johnson for things like 2008 NFCCG.

  356. 356 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:46 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I don’t recall the Jim johnson defense EVER only HITTING the QB ONCE in 60 minutes..
    But you are welcome to pretend

  357. 357 Anders said at 8:56 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    No but I remember a certain defense not be able to get a stop when needed in that game

  358. 358 Fufina said at 8:45 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    JJ Watt is just different than any other player in the NFL. He demands double teams all game and still makes plays. The Houston defense looks good because they are effectively playing with an extra player.

    Von Miller is the best pure pass rusher in the league and if you do not have an elite tackle he can take over a game… but he does not have the every down impact JJ has.

  359. 359 truehaynes said at 10:44 AM on February 8th, 2016:


  360. 360 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:31 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Id still take VON over Khalil, assuming we are just talking about who the best is today without factoring age and pay into the equation

  361. 361 truehaynes said at 1:37 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yeah in talking about just based on talent and production. I think I would take mack. Miller is amazing but I don’t think he’s better than mack.

  362. 362 truehaynes said at 1:38 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Although they are very similar. Same height weight style of pass rush

  363. 363 Media Mike said at 9:02 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Player thoughts?

    Round 1 Pick 13: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Willie Beavers, OT, Western Michigan (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Aziz Shittu, DE, Stanford (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Denver Kirkland, OG/OG, Arkansas (B)
    Round 5 Pick 23: Harlan Miller, CB, Southeastern Louisiana (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (B-)

    I got my tail kicked on o-line. EVERYBODY was just about cleared out by round 3…………deja vu all over again from last year’s real draft.

  364. 364 D3FB said at 9:05 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Beavers is a UDFA.

  365. 365 Media Mike said at 9:07 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Good to know. So he’s in the Boyko zone in your mind?

  366. 366 D3FB said at 9:10 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    He reminds me alot of Terry Poole. A guy I just never got why people were into at all.

  367. 367 Media Mike said at 9:11 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Thank you. I’ll keep an eye on his valuation as I keep reading going into the draft.

  368. 368 D3FB said at 9:12 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Also I think Ngakoue is going top 100.

  369. 369 Media Mike said at 9:20 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    From what I’ve ready he abused Decker, Conklin, and Sherff over the last two years, so I can see that. Oddly, the simulator has dropped him WAY down. I’m not sure why that is, so I’m sure it’ll correct to your thoughts as more info comes out from more draft writers on these guys.

  370. 370 Media Mike said at 9:09 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Due to needing the day to digest, I love taking a personal day from work on Super Bowl Monday.

    Cheddar sausage, country ribs, BBQ chicken, smoked brisket, and buffalo chicken dip were all down the gullet yesterday.

    How’d y’all eat?

  371. 371 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:17 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Overdosed on ribs…

  372. 372 Media Mike said at 9:19 AM on February 8th, 2016:


  373. 373 Tumtum said at 9:57 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I should start taking a personal day on super Monday…

  374. 374 RobNE said at 10:01 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    we have a big storm here today so working from home like lots of others. SB should really be on a Sat.

  375. 375 Ryan Rambo said at 10:22 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Me too sir. Me too.

  376. 376 Media Mike said at 9:19 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    To revisit the Von Miller $ituation for a new contract from below.

    Tagging him for appx $14 mil (linebacker tag) in 2016 and $16.8 in 2017 is FAR below what his market value is.

    He needs to surpass Houston who is making a tick less than $17 mil / year.

    So does Denver put a 6 year / $108 ($18 mil AAV) deal out there and tell him they’ll see him for that deal or he can enjoy being tagged twice?

  377. 377 RobNE said at 10:01 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    do we expect Cox to make more? Watching Miller and Ware dominate it just seems like edge rushers are the most valuable players on D.

  378. 378 mksp said at 10:07 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    CAR interior DL was fairly dominate as well.

  379. 379 RobNE said at 10:19 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    but do they make 19M? I’m asking in a cap allocation kind of way. I know we aren’t choosing between Cox and Miller so it’s kind of a theory question of how to build a team.

  380. 380 mksp said at 10:20 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Neither Short or Star will make that much alone, but together they could total the same as Cox + Logan once all have signed their new deals.

  381. 381 MattE said at 10:50 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    that’s a decent way of looking at it… would I rather Short/Star or Cox/Logan for the same money? Hmmm…..

  382. 382 Mac said at 10:21 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It was the perfect storm. Denver’s talent was on the ends, and Carolina’s weakest point on offense was the OTs.

  383. 383 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:30 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    DT has probably surpassed edge rusher as the most lucrative position on defense, corners make good money too

  384. 384 tomw said at 9:27 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    QB’s that get the MVP award are now 0 and 6 in the Super Bowl.

  385. 385 Media Mike said at 9:29 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    There used to be a stat like that with rushing champs. More of a quirk than anything else I think, but I certainly enjoyed that trend continuing last night.

  386. 386 tomw said at 9:33 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Me too.

  387. 387 RobNE said at 10:20 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    that gif of Eli looking peeved while the Broncos scored is pretty bad. Do you think he is really rooting against Peyton? Or he is but he’s just so calm.

  388. 388 anon said at 10:28 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    probably had one thing ever told hold over his brother and now…

  389. 389 A_T_G said at 10:31 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I assumed that was doctored. Was it legit?

  390. 390 bill said at 10:31 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I saw it during the broadcast and thought, “wow, Eli is the only one without a smile on his face.” I haven’t seen the gif, but what I saw last night was very strange.

  391. 391 RC5000 said at 10:43 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I posted it last night but it’s buried now×0/filters:no_upscale()/

  392. 392 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 10:45 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    blue vest kid is similarly disinterested

  393. 393 RichEagle said at 11:30 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Brady’s kid.

  394. 394 Tumtum said at 11:46 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    He saw a runaway balloon.

  395. 395 ChoTime said at 10:50 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Hmm. Maybe he was looking at a ref to make sure it was good? It is odd.

  396. 396 RC5000 said at 11:46 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    He looks like he may be doing a shimmy though. I meant this in reply about the blue vest kid.

  397. 397 Tumtum said at 11:46 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Maybe he was checking out the reaction on one of the sidelines too. I think people are making too much of this.

  398. 398 RC5000 said at 11:56 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It might actually fit in with his personality, he really doesn’t care that much.. His brother Cooper said he was popular, had a lot of friends hanging around but he probably couldn’t tell you their name. He didn’t care how you are. This was in one of those ESPN 30 for 30s

  399. 399 MAR2691 said at 1:18 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    My 11-year-old said: why is Eli rooting for the Panthers?

  400. 400 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 10:32 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    very much so. watching it live, my ladyfriend asked why the EliRobot had been set to standby mode

  401. 401 Ark87 said at 10:35 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    what was striking was that he didn’t looks passive or just disinterested. Looked disgusted, or maybe he just has RBF

  402. 402 Tumtum said at 11:45 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Reminds me of the face I make when I have just won a big hand at the black jack table, but I know that only makes up a small % of my loses, and there is lots of work to be done.

  403. 403 Ark87 said at 12:18 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I was thinking that. Sometimes when I’m watching an Eagles game and I think we are over-matched and we score for an early lead I can be a killjoy, like there is still a ton of time we have to protect that lead from a better team.

  404. 404 ChoTime said at 11:54 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Question: were you guys taught that “disinterested” means impartial, for example, the ideal position that a judge should have for a trial, not biased. “Your mother is not the best person to decide which of us is more handsome, as she is hardly a disinterested observer.” I am trying to trace when “disinterested” became widely synonymous with “uninterested”.

  405. 405 Ark87 said at 12:11 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I generally have used them synonymously (errantly it looks like), unbiased and impartial tend to do the job for me when I want to convey that idea.

    Keep hounding me about my grammar and I’m Camming the hell out of here Cho!

  406. 406 ChoTime said at 1:23 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I don’t think you are in error, as language changes over time and this is obviously an accepted use of the word. I hear it a lot on sports radio. Or maybe I just had a weird teacher at some point.

  407. 407 anon said at 1:32 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    sports radio guys probably don’t know any better

  408. 408 bill said at 1:41 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    My guess is that ‘disinterested’ in the legal sense is a specialized use of the more general definition. In other words, ‘disinterested’ in the legal context means ‘uninterested at all in the result, only the process.’ It’s a term of art, or jargon, depending on your feelings towards it. But I’m certainly not an etymologist, so I’m just spitballin’.

  409. 409 ChoTime said at 2:16 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Okay, you have spurred my interest and so:

    disinterested (adj.) Look up disinterested at

    “1610s, “unconcerned,” the sense we now would ascribe to uninterested, with the sense of “impartial” going to disinteressed (c. 1600). See dis- + interest. Modern sense of disinterested is first attested 1650s. As things now stand, disinterested means “free from personal bias,” while uninterested means “caring nothing for the matter in question.” Related: Disinterestedly; disinterestedness.”

    It appears the online etymology dictionary does not approve of current journalist fashion and also disagrees with dis=un. In honor of the archaic spelling, I will now use “Disinteressed” on Igglesblitz to emphasize the (correct) connotation of “impartial”. My guess is that disinterested became a full-on synonym to uninterested sometime in the late 90s in American popular culture/journalistic practice.

    Ex: Given his preference for Ex-Ducks, Coach Kelly was far from disinteressed in their draft evaluations.

  410. 410 botto said at 12:35 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  411. 411 Mac said at 11:40 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Eli is the one person in the stadium who knows that the word Budweiser is about to be unleashed about 150x by his brother and already isn’t looking forward to hearing it.

  412. 412 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:17 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Eli looks like an idiot. I can’t believe this guy has 2 super bowls. I’m not saying that he’s not a good QB, but he is the only QB in the NFL that hangs his head low and looks confused, lost and non-confident when his team is losing.

  413. 413 Tumtum said at 11:42 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Cam was looking that way last night. Lets not forget the rap on him that his team really hated how he sulked in loses. Guess a season of not losing has everyone forgetting about that.

  414. 414 Dave said at 10:42 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Over 30% of Denver’s roster will be unrestricted free agents. Lots of change coming when you consider Peyton won’t be back either.

    Von Miller OLB 26
    Evan Mathis G 34
    Vernon Davis TE 32
    Antonio Smith DE 34
    David Bruton SS 28
    Malik Jackson DE 26
    Danny Trevathan ILB 25
    Andre Caldwell WR 30
    Ryan Harris LT 30
    Brock Osweiler QB 25
    Ronnie Hillman RB 24
    Omar Bolden FS 27
    Jordan Norwood WR 29
    Tyler Polumbus LT 30
    Kyle Williams WR 27

    Shiloh Keo SS 28

  415. 415 A_T_G said at 10:51 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    That is a lot of good young talent…and I would stay away from all of it. No one gets overpaid like a Super Bowl champion free agent.

  416. 416 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 10:54 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    well oswiler and von miller are gonna get PAID, and everybody else will get market value offers

  417. 417 A_T_G said at 12:03 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Market value offers for their performance while surrounded by championship-caliber teammates, yes.

    Market value for what they can do on our team, not so much.

  418. 418 anon said at 10:56 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    it’s amazing they said only 6 starters remained from the sb team two years ago. elway is killing the executive game.

  419. 419 scratcherk said at 10:58 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    one of the few teams that succeeded by building through FA. SIGH.

  420. 420 Dave said at 11:05 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It was a plan for short-term success with Peyton before he was done. DeMarcus Ware, at 31 years old, turned into a solid signing that really helped the defense pairing him on the opposite side of Von Miller.

  421. 421 scratcherk said at 12:40 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    we also tried the short term, get over the hump, FA signings. It resulted in our long tenured HC being fired.

  422. 422 Dave said at 1:07 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    The rosters could not have been more different:

    Manning vs Vick at QB

    DeMarcus Ware was a true leader and future HOF vs Jason Babin who was by all accounts, an asshole

    Nnamdi was completely overrated and washed up

    The eagles had a disastrous draftDanny Watkins and Jaiquawn Jarrett

    Juan Castillo, coupled with Jim Washburn made the defense disfunctional, at best.

    In summary, poor coaching, poor drafting, poor choice of nonleaders/overrated free agents doomed the Eagles.

  423. 423 anon said at 1:24 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    you can dream team if you have a real team leader that has a history of winning that those guys respect. All those guys came to Denver b/c they knew they’d have a chance at SBs, 2 in 3 yrs, not bad. What’s impressive is that defense, who has some characters was professional and held together when peyton was playing like hot ass.

  424. 424 BobSmith77 said at 11:17 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    My all-time favorites are two ex-Cowboys:

    Larry Brown and Alvin Harper. Brown almost exclusively because of what he did in the SB (including getting the most gift wrapped MVP award ever thanks to O’Donnell) and Harper riding the coat tails of Irvin/Smith/Aikman/Novacek and being the guy who got single coverage deep vs safeties.

  425. 425 Forthebirds said at 10:44 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    It would make more sense to bring inChase Daniels as a place holder since he is familiar with Peterson”s system.

  426. 426 johhnyblaze said at 10:55 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Anybody see A report of lesean McCoy assaulting 2 off duty cops this weekend?

  427. 427 scratcherk said at 10:57 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    there goes his espn career (if true)

  428. 428 MattE said at 10:59 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    he would be a shade of Cris Carter on TV/Radio…. no thanks.

  429. 429 MattE said at 10:57 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    ….just read it.

  430. 430 ChoTime said at 11:07 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Wow, between DMac, LMac, and DJaqq, who did you think would be the one to stay out of trouble?

  431. 431 BobSmith77 said at 11:09 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Jackson. Jackson was always more of a ‘wantabe’ who just hung out with some unsavory guys.

    He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who would initiate the threat of physical violence let alone do something more drastic.

  432. 432 Tumtum said at 11:35 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yet Lesean and Don came off as good dudes. Don being Don just seems to be too pig headed to admit when he has had too much to drive. Bad form that could easily get someone killed, but the guy is a good dude over all.

    Shady seems to be a case of a good dude changed by money.

    DJax…has had enough bad things happen around him. Just none have resulted in him being charged. I agree he is a wannabe, but maybe he is also just a little craftier than we give him credit for.

  433. 433 ChoTime said at 11:49 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Does he give out gift baskets?

  434. 434 RobNE said at 11:08 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    riddle me this. 2 off duty cops got their champagne before Shady at a club. WTF are two off duty cops doing at a club at 3 am ordering champagne?

  435. 435 Media Mike said at 11:11 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Were they moonlighting as ineffective bouncers? Just some other patrons?

  436. 436 RobNE said at 11:14 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    from the report sounds like patrons. It just seems like off duty cops appear in these stories more than is likely.

  437. 437 Media Mike said at 11:30 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Suspensions for everybody. Shady and non-Eagles players involved can be suspended. Cops can be suspended.

  438. 438 Tumtum said at 11:39 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    In the scheme of things you would think professional athletes and cops would be two types of dudes that would end up in scuffles more often than others. You would hope cops would be able to rise above it. Unfortunately they are humans. Humans that have to have an Alpha complex. Same with football players.

    If no more details are released I am happy to say that all the dummies figured out who had the biggest muscles. No harm, no foul.

  439. 439 RobNE said at 11:53 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I just think cops should be able to deflate potentially violent situations, but as you say it’s an alpha issue. I’m just disappointed by that.

  440. 440 ChoTime said at 11:55 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    That’s pretty idealistic, man. A decent amount of cops are probably cops because they are violent people.

  441. 441 Ark87 said at 12:03 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’m pretty sure there is research that anti-social personalities (doesn’t mean they avoid people btw, just generally contemptuous towards other people) are drawn to such jobs and similar positions of authority. Not saying all or most cops are such people, just that it’s no coincidence that there are plenty of jackasses among them.

  442. 442 BobSmith77 said at 11:12 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Doing what cops do. Cops and alcohol are too common including at clubs/strip joints.

  443. 443 Tumtum said at 11:30 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Sounds like it was actually 3, but 2 took the ambulance ride. Really interested to hear the full story on this. I feel like charges would be filed by now if those guys did nothing.

    BTW… not a damn thing wrong with cops having a night out on their off-time.

  444. 444 Bert's Bells said at 11:48 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Being human people?

  445. 445 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:15 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I don’t really care for Shady but I don’t think the Cops are completely innocent here. I think he got into a fight with two people at a bar who just happened to be off duty cops.

    I’ll wait for the entire story to come out before I call Shady an idiot.

  446. 446 Tumtum said at 11:29 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    My exact thoughts.

  447. 447 Media Mike said at 11:29 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Shady, and whoever else is involved, should all be suspended indefinitely if the hospitalization stuff is true; but I have no sympathy for people who start fights and happen to not be good at it.

  448. 448 RichEagle said at 11:35 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Wonder why he wasn’t arrested if both officers were hospitalized as stated in the article.

  449. 449 Julescat said at 1:50 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    McCoy should probably stay out of town for a while. Having cops mad at you never plays out well.

  450. 450 Bert's Bells said at 11:47 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    That’s what happens when dudes show up on the Shady bus.

  451. 451 Media Mike said at 11:57 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Or when he kicks some chicken head off of the bus at a rest stop on the highway.

  452. 452 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:54 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    It happened at Club Reccess in Philly

  453. 453 MattE said at 10:58 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    I am happier for DeMarcus Ware and Wade Phillips than I am for Evan Mathis lol.

  454. 454 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:36 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Aaron Rodgers is the highest paid QB in the NFL-

    “Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $22,000,000.”

    Take that contract and add 15% to it.($127million/5years, $63 million guaranteed) I think that’s the deal Bradford’s agent is aiming for. He probably thinks he’s worth that much because it’s Sam Bradford and because the cap is rising.

    The Eagles see him more towards Cutler value. And are probably willing to let him test the market because they don’t think any other team would be willing to offer that much.

    If the Eagles franchise him, they have to guarantee his entire salary of $20 million. Most starting QBs get deals where about $33-40 million is guaranteed over the course of 7 years. The Eagles don’t want to give him 50-60% of the guaranteed money he would receive over a long term deal for just 1 year.

  455. 455 Bert's Bells said at 11:47 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    Any team signing Bradford to a bigger deal than Rodgers deserves to be moved to LA.

  456. 456 Mac said at 1:49 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Should be moved to Hong Kong.

  457. 457 FairOaks said at 11:50 AM on February 8th, 2016:

    No team is going to offer that. Condon’s first job is probably avoid the franchise tag. If that involves blowing smoke so be it.

    Most guaranteed money is in the first 2-3 years. Bradford might get most of the tag money as a bonus but the cap hits would’ve very different.

  458. 458 anon said at 12:24 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    where are you pulling this from?

  459. 459 Dave said at 12:32 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Most starting QBs get deals where about $33-40 million is guaranteed “over the course of 7 years.”

    Although you are technically correct, you must look further. Tom Condon clients basically have $80 to 120 million guaranteed through 5 to 6 years of their contract, and I’m sure this is a major hurdle with Sam and the Eagles.

    Look at this chart and the dead money. Giving a QB $40 million in guarantees seems normal, but look after their 4th and 5th years. How to you move on from a guy who has a $20 or 30 million cap hit if released. This is what is killing the Cowboys and Romo’s contract. If the Cowboys draft a QB and Romo is injured again, they cannot cut him after the season, without having a $20 million hit against the 2017 cap.

    Condon specifically writes contracts that have huge dead money on the back end of their deals to prevent teams from moving on.

    Most agree that Sam is a good QB who can be great. The problem lies in do you want to give him the keys to the franchise for 5 or 6 years with no way to get out from under him if he gets injured again or regresses. Sam made it clear to the Rams he was unwilling to restructure his contract after his 2nd ACL tear. This is the reason they moved on from him.

    Howie writes contracts that tend to be heavily front to front/middle loaded. That way we can cut a player once they regress or get injured with minimal cap hit. Tom Condon’s goal is to cripple a teams future cap space with dead money to ensure his players cannot get cut.

    Edit: I threw in Byron Maxwell’s deal to show he basically has a 2 year deal that we can easily get out of after this season if he under performs again.

  460. 460 anon said at 12:35 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Sadly sam isn’t desperate for a deal. Team let his mentor / coach go for whatever that’s worth.

    Interesting — eagles want to sign cox brought his college DL coach. IF Eagles really wanted Shurm to stay / continuity for sammy b they could have made that work.

  461. 461 Dave said at 12:43 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Did you not read my post? It doesn’t matter who the coach is, Sam’s agent will want a heavily backloaded cap deal. That is what is holding up a deal, not the coaches or Sams desire to play under Shurmur.

  462. 462 anon said at 1:20 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Agree w/ your post Maybe mine wasn’t clear enough. It’s too bad Sam isn’t desperate for a deal – think it’ll be 100% about the money as you say.

    Another observation is how the team is dealing with Cox. a guy they undoubtedly want to build around. Brought coaches that he was familiar with and that will maximize talent.

    Eagles had opportunity to do that (at least with familiarity) with Sam Bradford who was on record as saying that it was something that was important to him, maybe those things help get a deal done that’s not a max-type deal. Team didn’t do those things. Based on the dichotomy in treatment, I don’t think Sam is as big a priority to them.

  463. 463 Dave said at 1:27 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I just assume his agent made it clear that the almighty dollar is the most important thing at play.

  464. 464 anon said at 1:31 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    you’re probably right. Tom Condon is one guy that i don’t want my QB talking to.

  465. 465 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:44 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Condone works for SAM, he represents Sam’s interest, not the other way around…. Im trying to avoid listening to any of the noise, since everything is an agenda based leak this time of years, and a lot of what we hear is posturing, and negotiation ploys..
    The truth about these matters is guarded, doubt the Eagles nor Bradfords camp are leaking true intentions..
    We are early in the negotiations, we are supposed to be hearing 1 team throw out a very high number, while the other party scoffs at the number, pretends they don’t value the guy THAT much, and eventually the two sides meet somewhere in between.
    Think it’s foolish to think we can have an accurate convo about this, when 95% of what we hear about it is strategically leaked nuggets of Intel, or counter Intel….. It’s no surprise that the Eagles are trying to walk a fine line of answering questions about SAM, without saying anything that gives the other side any added leverage..
    I doubt there are media members really plugged into this situatio that really knows what’s going on, and know the two sides true intentions and walk away points…. Anything a media member thinks he knows about the SAM/Eagle situatuon, really only knows what the sides want him to know, and the majority of the time, it serves an agenda…
    I know this is the big debate, and we over analyze every new tidbit of Info we get, but the reality of this situation/negotiations won’t be played out in the media….once we get to March, probably start hearing more truths, right now it’s all mostly posturing

  466. 466 anon said at 1:46 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    agree. But looking at the history of Tom Condon deals we’re not talking home team discounts.

  467. 467 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:49 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yeah, I’d put more stock into History, then what we are hearing in Febuary..
    Ultimately Condone will present SAM with his best optipns, and SAM will decide what’s important to him

  468. 468 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:54 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    It’s also not that uncommon in sports for a player to tell his agent that he wants Him to get a deal done with a specific team….. Im sure Vinny Curry cared more that his agent got Him the best deal to stay in Philly, instead of VINNY telling his agent he wants him to get him the most money he can find
    Not every player just wants his agent to find him the best deal possible regardless of what team he ends up with…. I have no idea what SAM wants, or what he is asking of his agent, but I doubt anyone else knows, yet you can find many fans and media that swear they know what SAM wants..

  469. 469 anon said at 2:20 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    vinny changed agents several times. MAC also changed agents after taking that $5m prove it deal.

  470. 470 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:59 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yup..VINNY is on his 3rd agent….., if a player feels that the agent is failing to get Him what he wants, he will fire him and look for an agent who can deliver… VINNY is the PERFECT Example of a player who Wasnt only motivated by money. Maxwell is an example of the opposite end of the spectrum. A guy who made no secret about playing for whatever franchise was willing to pay him the most…. playërs want different things. if VInny Curry was motivated by Money. He would have NEVER signed this extension, he would have waited to get to the open market, and look to start a bidding War over his services. You Know his first order of business would be to leak news of the Giants offering him a lucrative deal. Maybe he ends up signing with philly, but not until he uses the Giants and other teams to drive up his pricetag… Where as Maxwell was willing to leave an elite Super Bowl contender to sigń with whoever was offering the most money
    VINNY wanted to remain an Eagle, It was important to him, and being realistic he thought an Everson Griffin situation was his ideal realistic scenario, so he went out and hired the Agent that negotiated Eversons deal
    It’s really not always a case of guys being full blown mercenaries Playing for any team that pays the most. Every player wants money, but for some, Money isn’t the Only factor. Some have kids who they don’t want to uproot to a different city, some really care about having a chance to contend and ARENT willing to spend a large portion of their career with a dysfunctional franchkse even if they are offering the most..
    We really have no idea how SAM views this and what his priorities are. We don’t Know what SAM wants, what we do Know is that you aren’t hearing SAM making public statements announcing his love for the Eagles and his desperatipn to remain in Philly… SAM has played his cards close to the Vest, which is EXACTLY what an impending FA in his positipn shpuld be doing!! All the Info coming out of Sam’s camp has a “Playing Hard to get” underpinning tone to it, which is EXACTLY what the Bradford camp SHOULD BE DOING…. I Think it’s clear that these are all blatant actions of someone trying to use every bit of tool he can to increase their leverage on his next deal, which is exactly what the Bradford camp should be doing… I don’t think we heard any truthful info about what SAM really wants out of the Bradford camp, and all that tells us, is that his agent kbows What he is doing.
    . for someone in SAMs shoes he could look at it two very different ways:
    1) his body has failed him more times than not, and he could be motivated by finding as much money he can possibly get not knowing if his body continues to fail him making it his last pay day…. It’s very possible that he will look at it this way, and while it would suck for us, I can’t say we could really blame him if this is how he feels….
    2) after what he has been thru, and the nuggets of Intel we hear from his teammates about his pre game speeches and messages to the team about not taking this game for Granted, it’s also very possible that he looks at all this like Carson Pamler, a guy who built himself a nice big Bank account mostly playimg in hopeless situations for Dysfunctional Franchises, and got to the point where Money wasmt everything and it became very important to him to spend what career he has left (not to be taken for Granted) to play for a franchise that gives him a chance to contend and play meaningful football…. SAM Bradford was one of the last to benefit from the insane rookie contracfs of old. he has made a lot money, and he is going to make a lot more Money no matter where he decides to play next year
    What SAM wants is an Unknown, but I do get the impression that he isn’t willing to sign with a team like the Browns just because they are offering the most..
    Hopefully everything works out and we get to keep SAM, on a contract we can live with and get out of in 3 years if need be (which I don’t expect to be the case). but it’s just as important that we continue to look for the right yoûng QB to groom long term.. SAM allows us to remove the desperatipn that can lead to over rating a prospect, or keep us from paying too much trading up to get the QB… I hate the Bradford vs. Drafting a QB debate, I think we should be striving for Both.

  471. 471 SteveH said at 12:46 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Participate in my silly survey. Ignore the fact that Chip is no longer an eagle, I just wanted to see him in hipster glasses.

  472. 472 truehaynes said at 1:02 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Who’d your rather have, Miller or mack?

  473. 473 anon said at 1:15 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    MAck is still cheap for a couple of years.

  474. 474 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:25 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Take Miller if I needed someone to give us the best chance to win one game… If age and money is factored into the equation, definitely Mack..
    Oh how the mighty have fallen… allegedly Clowney flipped out, went on a Rampage and went home when he found out he was being deactivated for the playoff game ..
    Wonder if CLowney ever,comes close to realizing his potential

  475. 475 anon said at 2:34 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    only been 2years. Hopefully workign with Watt will help. He was always over-rated but he does have a lot of phyiscal talent. Not sure if he has the mentality to be a pass rusher.

  476. 476 nicolajNN said at 1:44 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    #Eagles announced: Released WR Riley Cooper.— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) February 8, 2016

  477. 477 Media Mike said at 1:44 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Thank God!

  478. 478 Joe Minx said at 1:45 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    You must be on cloud 9 today my friend.

  479. 479 Media Mike said at 1:49 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  480. 480 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:15 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  481. 481 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:00 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Im on the same cloud High Fiving him…

  482. 482 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:47 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    No way!!!!
    Please tell me I’m not being PUNKED? Tell me this is a real Caplan account?
    I will spend the rest of my day Celebratng if this is true…..
    Oh Happy Day!!!!

  483. 483 Joe Minx said at 1:48 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    It’s real. And it’s spectacular.

  484. 484 ACViking said at 1:53 PM on February 8th, 2016:

  485. 485 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:59 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Wow!!!! What a Glorious Day!!!
    Curious to see what the reactions of Eagles players will be on Twitter? Do they even care enough to comment on it?
    What happens next for Riley? His history and his poor play probably means he will only be able to get a job with teams that have former coaches in place… For example, what are the odds he ends up with a team besides Kansas City, San Fran, or the Vikings(Shurm?)
    Will Coop even find a new team?

  486. 486 Aaron said at 2:00 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    he’ll probably end up in the SB next year, the way it goes

  487. 487 Joe Minx said at 2:01 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Maybe the Phillies will take another crack at him now.

  488. 488 ACViking said at 1:54 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    from the Eagles’ official site:

    “The Eagles announced on Monday that they have released veteran wide receiver Riley Cooper.”

  489. 489 ChoTime said at 2:18 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Hardly a disinteressed source…

  490. 490 eagleyankfan said at 2:30 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    awesome! now we can re-sign for lesser money! 🙂

  491. 491 Insomniac said at 2:07 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    No way

  492. 492 anon said at 1:59 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    No.1 scoring NFL Offense’s have LOST 5 out of last 6 SB’s. Meanwhile
    No.1 Defense’s have WON 7 of last 8 SB’s(Seahawks last yr lost). #Facts

  493. 493 ACViking said at 3:04 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Last night, we saw what Reid and JJ wanted with their “fastballs” defense taken to its logical extreme:

    2 great (to super-great) pass-rushing DEs
    2 great to very good CBs
    1 great (very good?) safety.

    Reid never had more than 1 great pass rushing DE (Hugh D.)

    But he had the CBs and S in the early years. And the great playoff run followed.

  494. 494 RogerPodacter said at 3:15 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    do you think that Kearse counted as a great pass rushing DE? i don’t remember him putting up amazing numbers in his time here, but IIRC, he was pretty instrumental in shutting down vick in the one playoff game.
    or… i’m getting all mixed up and have no idea what i’m talking about!

  495. 495 Mac said at 3:26 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    You forgot Jason Babin (hides).

  496. 496 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:15 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    So now, we only have 3 WR’s under contract? with a combined total of 5 seasons of NfL experience…
    When we cut Miles Austin, did we elevate another WR from the practice squad to fill that #6 WR role? Can’t remember..
    Coop is gone (Need a new #4 WR)
    And it looks like Ajiritutu will walk in free agency..
    This means we will have to add at least 2 if not 3 WR’s…. Which sounds great, but I doubt the WR we add will be starting caliber…
    This is a horrendous year to look for a WR in free agency. The best WR available are underwhelming and will end up being Grossly Over paid, like Marvin Jones… If you look to free agency, it will be some crappy Rueben Randle type
    As crazy as it sounds, we probably have to draft another WR in between rounds 3 and 5.. Hopefully we ass a speed , and sigń another cheap miles Austin type of veteran

  497. 497 GENETiC-FREAK said at 2:18 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Krause was elevated wasnt he

  498. 498 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:50 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yeah he was,.. Slipped my mind. Surprised it wasn’t Martino to get elevated

  499. 499 anon said at 2:19 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    we elevated kraus agianst pats, he did nothing.

  500. 500 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:21 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Would It be safe to assume that he won’t be on our roster next year?

  501. 501 anon said at 2:33 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I wouldn’t blame any WRs for last year. I’d keep him, has good size. But clearly team needs to find WRs – especially if you have a rookie qb.

  502. 502 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:51 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I would think that they will ATleast be training Camp/Pracice squad bodies…. Mbe great f we get lucky and one emerges as a hidden gem..

  503. 503 Nick C said at 2:23 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    None of your logic can ruin this day for me.

  504. 504 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:29 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Im not sure it’s possible to ruin a Cooper has been cut day.
    , Id take this over another year with Coop in a heartbeat… Not meant as a negative, just the reality Of our Expanding to do list…
    Who knows, maybe they retain Tutu for another year of ST play? Did his time in San Diego intersect and cross paths with Reicht?

  505. 505 b3nz0z said at 2:40 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    With Cooper gone, the Eagles currently have five receivers under contract: Jordan Matthews, Nelson Agholor, Josh Huff, Jonathan Krause, and Freddie Martino. Seyi Ajirotutu is set to be a free agent in March.

  506. 506 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:45 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Hopefully Krause and Martino just end up being camp bodies/Practice Squad players

  507. 507 b3nz0z said at 3:05 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  508. 508 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:14 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Well actually, HOPEFULLY they explode into the scene and’grow into the next TO and Randy Moss for us….lol but in case that doesn’t happen, hopefully we add enough WR talent so that they aren’t gifted roster spots…

  509. 509 ACViking said at 3:00 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Does it make sense to spend money on experienced, mid-tier WRs without a QB?

    In 1999, Reid brought in CJohnson and TSmall — lower tier, inexpensive but experienced guys to go with Pederson and a rookie QB.

    Is Pederson/Roseman heading in that direction?

    Or does the team’s direction depend on re-signing SBradford ?

  510. 510 Media Mike said at 4:28 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Anquan Boldin please.

  511. 511 ChoTime said at 10:38 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Imagine a world where we signed Boldin instead of TO (was that in play? I can’t remember) and he has been kicking a$$ for us for the last 10 years.

  512. 512 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:19 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    What is the cap effect associated with Cutting Coop?
    Lol I wonder if Roseman had the nerve to call the Niners and ask if they are interested in a trade? After all, Niners have a big Need at WR, and they hired a HC who obssessed over WR blocking.. Hopefully just to be a dick, Roseman called the niners offering up Coop in a trade, while trying his hardest to keep a straight face and not laughing at them
    Roseman trolling Tom Gamble, offering a Cooper for Navarro Bowman trade would be great

  513. 513 anon said at 2:20 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    2.9m saved.

  514. 514 Nick C said at 2:24 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    We had the same amount of cap relief whether we traded or cut him. We knew no one would take his ridiculous contract for his production. Ergo, this move was a no-brainer. STILL SO HAPPY!

  515. 515 anon said at 2:32 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    too bad chip doesn’t have roster control in SF.

  516. 516 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:41 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Niiiiiiice!!! I would have mafe this decision even if it was cheaper to keep him than cut him…… To also add cap space from it is a bonus….
    Great day!.
    Find some average at best best veteran WR that costs 2.5mil

  517. 517 GENETiC-FREAK said at 2:50 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    2.9 saved 2.4 dead. Think if they waited for June then no dead money.

  518. 518 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:11 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Thank you sir…… Good for them, correcting a mistake and not making it all about the money.
    think he is on a roster week 1 of the 201 season, or will he end up black balled, struggling to find a new team?
    Without his baggage, it would be great to have Coop on a dirt cheap contract as a #5 WR and key ST player, but that’s probably ruined now that Chip has him thinking he deserves to start and get a lot of playing time on Offense, being worth starter money… His baggage is going to follow him. If he gets another Job, Id bet his signing is treated as a story. I assume his racist outburst is going to follow him. And it’s going to be included in the reporting of Team X signing Coop in free agency…. TODAYS media will never let him live that down. It’s going to follow him to his next job, his new teammates will be asked about from the media, his new coach and GM will have to answer questions about it…. At what point is he not worth the baggage that will follow him to his next team in TODAYS media world?
    He should be in the NFL next year, but I assume this won’t be a fun process for Cooper… The one thng going for him is the Free Agent WR market is a joke this year

  519. 519 anon said at 4:24 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    let the rookies play. It’s not like he’s an old guy that’s sort of passes his prime. He dropped a bunch of deep balls this year.

  520. 520 doublgee said at 4:24 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Screw Riley Cooper!
    I’m sure if he had made any derogatory remarks about Jewish people, having that Mr Lurie is so, he would’ve been cut immediately. This isn’t the media my friend.
    If he signs with another team, the story deserves to follow him. I’m glad ‘todays media’ is able to cover such things, as incidents like this would continue to be swept under the rug, where some feel they belong.

  521. 521 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:02 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I didn’t mean to come off sounding as Tho I feel that this story following him would be the medias fault…. He did this to himself acting like an Ignorant Jackass in public…. Regardless of the media, I think it would come up in the new teams locker room, and if it’s an issue that needs to be discussed for some players in the locker room, that makes it a real issue, and the media should include it in the article..
    If it was a case of his next teams FANBASE not caring about it, the players in the locker room view it as a non issue, and no one on the franchise caring, then the media would be wrong to include it, but since it would most likely come up in his new teams locker room, it is something that legitimately will follow him, making the media right for including it

  522. 522 b3nz0z said at 2:38 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    oh happy day. i feel so clean

  523. 523 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:48 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Cutting Coop during black history month just feels so right 😉

  524. 524 ACViking said at 2:55 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    That may actually answer the question . . . what took so long after Kelly’s firing.

  525. 525 FairOaks said at 6:13 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    He was gone Kelly or no Kelly. I’m sure they just didn’t want to pull the trigger while games were still being played.

  526. 526 Media Mike said at 4:27 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Cam loses yesterday.
    Cooper cut today.
    Hexy trades away two more vets tomorrow??????????????

  527. 527 ACViking said at 2:40 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Re: Playoff Teams with Less Than 200 Yards of Total Offense

    Since the 1970 merger, 7 of the 88 SB teams finished the game with less than 200 yards in total offense (excluding strikes years of ’82 and ’87) — always losing until yesterday.

    Of the 7 QBs for those teams, 4 are HOFers (or will be):

    – 1971: Bob Greise, Miami (lost to Dallas 24-3, 185 total yds)

    – 1974: Fran Tarkenton, MN (lost to Pitt 16-6, 119 total yds)

    – 1989: John Elway, Denver (lost to SF 55-10, 169 total yds)

    – 2015: Peyton Manning, Denver . . . .

    (The other 3 QBs: Craig Morton – Den 1977 vs. Dallas; Tony Eason/Steve Grogan – NE 1985 vs. CHI; Kerry Collins – NYG 2000 vs. Ravens.)

    In the 421 playoff games played in non-strike seasons since the 1970 merger:

    – 66 teams (out of 842 total) have gained less than 200 yards in total offense

    – 8x a team won a playoff game with less than 200 YTO.

    – 4x a SB winner gained less than 200 YTO in one of the playoff games on their way to the SB title
    (Dallas – 1971; NYG – 1986; Ravens – 2000; Den – 2015).

    – 2x *both* teams in a playoff game gained less than 200 YTO
    (1986 NYG v. Wash in a 17-0 win in NFC title game;
    1999 Bucs v. Wash in a 14-13 divisional round win)

    – the 1985 Bears Defense, in 3 playoff games, gave up:
    181 yards (NYG – 0 pts), 130 yards (Rams – 0 pts), 123 yards (NE – 10 pts)

    – from 2000-01, the Ravens’ Defense gave up less than 200 YTO in 4 out of 5 playoff games (including the 2000 SB v. NYG)

    – 1999 Tenn Titans, SB losers to the Rams, gained just 194 YTO in the “Music City Miracle” win over the Bills on their way to the SB

    – 2014 Cardinals’ 78 YTO vs. Carolina is the lowest since 1970

    By decade, playoff totals for teams gaining less than 200 YTO:
    [from 1970-78, only 7 playoff games were played; 1978-89, 9 playoff games; since 1990, 11 playoff games]

    1970-79: 18x (2 wins – 16 losses)

    1980-89: 11x (2-9)

    1990-99: 14x (2-12)

    2000-10: 16x (1-15 — with 7 of those games in the 2000 playoffs)

    2011-15: 5x (1-4)

  528. 528 ChoTime said at 2:49 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Manning had one of the worst Superbowls, and one of the worst playoffs, of any winning QB.

    But hey, “he just wins”!

  529. 529 ACViking said at 2:54 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Watching Manning last night, I couldn’t help but think of Jeff Kemp (and the ’91 Birds).

    Except Kemp was more mobile.

  530. 530 Media Mike said at 4:26 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    He’s entitled to one of those wins because of the number of games “he just loses” where he through for 300+ yards 3+ TDs and the supporting cast let him down.

  531. 531 ChoTime said at 10:39 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’m cool with it, Manning is the best.

  532. 532 BobSmith77 said at 3:34 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Great pull. Thanks.

  533. 533 Dave said at 4:26 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    This is worse case scenario for me right here. The God complex of coaching…I think I can fix him. Does Pederson think he can teach a player who instinctively retreats when faced with pressure, to climb the pocket and take a hit while looking at his receivers. Ugh!

    I’m OK with letting Sam walk. I’m OK with drafting a QB in the first round. I am not OK with taking a QB benched by 2 different teams thinking he can be saved. Bottom line, Nick gives me no hope for success.

    We’ve been through this before with 2 coaches thinking they could fix Mike Vick. It didn’t work.

  534. 534 Dave said at 4:27 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  535. 535 anon said at 4:29 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    agent leaks. Heard also the dead to STL precluded a deal for Nick. Further, personally if i was foles I wouldn’t want to come back to philly, fans would kill him.

  536. 536 Media Mike said at 4:30 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yup…………. or an Eagles leak for other reasons.

  537. 537 Nick C said at 4:29 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Hoping this is typical Howie misdirection. If this is the case, it is very upsetting.

  538. 538 anon said at 4:28 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    There’s a difference between not playing to a player’s strengths (i can make him a pocket qb) vs thinking a bad qb is a good qb if you were coaching him.

  539. 539 Media Mike said at 4:30 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Don’t fret. There is a 50/50 chance this is misinformation passed along to Lombardo to use as a way of trying to apply leverage to Bradford.

    Don’t assume anything is true until they leak it to Eskin that they’re signing the guy.

  540. 540 anon said at 4:31 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Hopefully we can find a better bargaining chip than nick foles

  541. 541 Media Mike said at 4:35 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    One of many, I’m sure.

  542. 542 Dave said at 4:35 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Lombardo is just confirming and claeifying the info originally provided by Adam Caplan.

  543. 543 Media Mike said at 4:36 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Good deal. And I’ll still assume that we’re dealing with funny business until we actually see a move.

  544. 544 Dave said at 4:38 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’m actually OK with this if the Rams give us our 2nd round pick back with Nick. No harm, no foul.

  545. 545 Media Mike said at 4:39 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    For DeMarco?

  546. 546 Dave said at 4:42 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Sure, they can give us back our 2nd for Nick, and then throw in their own 2nd round pick for DeMarco.

  547. 547 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:47 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Of course we are,… No one is kind enough to divulge any real info this time of yeàr…. it’s like a poker player telling you what card he has. I wouldn’t believe it unless he show what card he has,…
    It’s the Poker portion of the NFL season. All cards kept close to the vest, everything leaked has an agenda behind it, often times its not even the truth..
    Find someone who reports something, and adds are you can find someone who is “reporting” the exact opposite…
    The “reports” are interesting because we are junkies who care so much, and it’s a dead period part of the NFL Calender, but I assume the percentage of truthful info leaked is at one of its low points this time of year. We are basically being entertained, more than being educated with truthful info this time of yeàr

  548. 548 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:40 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    MIKE Lombardo is employed by the same Donkey that employs ESP…. Nuff said..

  549. 549 botto said at 4:47 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    and Bradford says “Nick Foles? again? come on”

  550. 550 Nick C said at 4:31 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    You’re ruining Riley Cooper Moving Day for us! *Chandler voice*

  551. 551 A_T_G said at 4:45 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Okay, someone has to play devil advocate, what if…

    Nick Foles was brought in partly because Pederson was impressed. When he began to play, those observations proved correct (27-2) and all was well. Then, poor coaching tried to fix him. Suddenly, he is hesitant and bailing out and late and…he sucks. So he goes to STL, and things get worse. Pederson still sees the tools and knows how to fix the damage.

    Okay, have at it.

  552. 552 Dave said at 4:47 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’d have no problem with that if we also drafted a QB. I’d the plan is to fix Nick with no Plan B, then that’s not much of a plan I can get behind.

  553. 553 A_T_G said at 4:50 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Wow, that easy? I sold him to you?

  554. 554 Dave said at 4:55 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    As a placeholder for a rookie QB, sure. He’s better than Pederson was when he was brought in to keep the seat warm for McNabb.

  555. 555 Nick C said at 5:03 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I just don’t see the point in a placeholder. We already have one in Mark. No need to spend assets (draft picks) to get another one. I would rather have Mark, who is probably a bit worse than Nick if we are going to “tank” this season. Especially with these reports saying Nick would be “the guy.”

  556. 556 anon said at 5:03 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Can’t sell that QB to this city anymore. If he’d have had a SB year in STL, then maybe but he was flat out terrible and he’s not a FA and doesn’t even have the arm talent that makes you go oooh, and he’s not super mobile.

  557. 557 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:54 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I hear you.. My problem is I don’t believe the Qbs we can draft this year will be worth a damn… It’s much easier for the Eagles to draft a QB, Tham to draft a QB who ends up being the answer to our problems… I wish I didn’t hate this QB class so much. not seeing solutions in a draft class is a horrible, helpless feeling to have… It would be so much easier if I felt like we could solve this problem in the draft. I wish I felt that way… If you love a QB in this draft consider yourself lucky….

  558. 558 ACViking said at 5:09 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Schefter has doubled down on the Foles/no-tag story.

    For those who missed it: Eagles will not use franchise tag on QB Sam Bradford and they are expected to inquire about adding QB Nick Foles.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) February 8, 2016

  559. 559 anon said at 5:09 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    i hate this team

  560. 560 ACViking said at 5:11 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Anon . . .

    The other day, in response to my query about extending M-Jenkins, I saw you comment (in substance):

    “Not the 7th Pro Bowl alternate.”

    Well done!

  561. 561 Mac said at 6:09 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Sounds like a good comp. for a new contract to me.

    I’ll take it.

  562. 562 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:39 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Josh Normans Agent must Love chip Kelly these days…
    After the contract Chp gave Maxwell a year ago, Josh Norman better send Chip a gift basket or something once he gets his new deal…. Add Panthers front office to the long list of people with Chip Kelly’s name on their shit list..
    After all the times we were Embarressed by Our frivolous free agent Shopping Spree’s, seeing Elway Purchase Denver a Super Bowl feels like a kick to my liver (excruciating pain).. In many areas, Roseman is a better GM than given credit for, but when it comes to signing other teams free agents, it has hurt us more than it helped. Thankfully he is aggressively eXtending our own players instead of creating more free agent needs even tho it’s neccessary In some areas, for example cutting Riley Cooper which creates another need….
    Since free agency ISNT one of the areas I trust Howie with, hopefully we take it easy in March. Id prefer we target one or two free agents And hopefully get it RIGHT, instead of signing like 7 free agents like we did when Chip first arrived in 2013…and Ideally the free agent or two we sigń ends up being a player that one of our new coaches has had experiemce coaching at previous stops. Whether it’s someone Reicht knows from coaching the Charges, a free agent from Kansas City, a player Shwartz knows from Detriot or buffalo… Somene who’s personality, behind the scenes work ethic we know first hand…..
    If we can get one starting upgrade, and upgrade a backüp spot or two out of free agency, I would be happy… Maybe sigń a veteran Guard coming off his rookie deal, or even a stop gap like Mathis who can be a temporary band aid….a veteran #4 WR to add some depth and be a key ST contributor, someone cheap but who’s tank ISNT completely empty like Miles Austin… Overall a quiet modest free,agency, and do our real roster building via the draft, maybe trade a player or two that no longer fits for a player from another team with a coaching change

  563. 563 Media Mike said at 4:40 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Josh Norman isn’t working off of Maxwell’s deal

    We need to look at 6 years / $70 million for Norman. $14 mil AAV.

  564. 564 anon said at 4:41 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’m sure if you lock up all but 20-30% of cap space annually limits the ability for you do go dream team in any given year.

  565. 565 Nick C said at 4:51 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    We’ll ignore the Nick Foles news and focus on being Happy for KKKut Kooper day. Bright side: Per OTC, we have 21.5M in cap space after cutting Riley. (That includes the Johnson, Ertz, Curry extensions)

  566. 566 Media Mike said at 4:51 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Keep cutting!

  567. 567 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:03 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Falcons cut Safety William Moore and LB Justin Durrant…

  568. 568 Media Mike said at 5:05 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Off of that D? They must be ready to be euthanized.

  569. 569 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:24 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I thought the Durrant kid was Dallas best defender two years ago. He got paid and obviously didn’t lI’ve up to the money..
    William Moore would have cost them 6.5 mil next season..
    falcons are a constant dissapointment, I don’t trust Matt Ryan at all

  570. 570 anon said at 5:07 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Jesus…— Matt Lombardo (@MattLombardo975) February 8, 2016

  571. 571 anon said at 5:07 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    No charges.

  572. 572 Insomniac said at 5:08 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    She probably got paid off by Papa Manziel.

  573. 573 anon said at 5:09 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    she was only in it for the $ anyway.

  574. 574 Insomniac said at 5:09 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    True but now no lawyer fees are involved!

  575. 575 ACViking said at 5:14 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    can you trust her lawyer?

    where’s the hospital report?

  576. 576 Joe Minx said at 5:15 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Someone call Schefter.

  577. 577 ACViking said at 5:15 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    wins the day

  578. 578 Ark87 said at 5:34 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I trust Johnny will remain just as reckless, affluent, and free regardless of the truth, so it’s a moot point.

  579. 579 ACViking said at 5:42 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Dallas cops investigating.

    Last notable case involving the Dallas County District Attorney?

    1972 . . . (Jane) Roe v. (Henry) Wade.

  580. 580 Ark87 said at 5:46 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    small freaking world!

  581. 581 anon said at 5:50 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I thought it was Dez at the supermarket.

  582. 582 ChoTime said at 10:46 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Law school finally paying off? 🙂

  583. 583 Media Mike said at 5:09 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Complete thug piece of garbage. He needs to be banned from the league for life.

  584. 584 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:21 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    You gotta be kidding me…

  585. 585 Insomniac said at 5:36 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    The only difference between Manziel and the Affluenza teen is that he hasn’t killed anyone yet.

  586. 586 ChoTime said at 10:46 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Wow, so rarely does someone live up to the promise of their douchey face.

  587. 587 Media Mike said at 5:11 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  588. 588 Insomniac said at 5:12 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Washed up

  589. 589 Media Mike said at 5:14 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’d take him on a one year deal that Denver gave Mathis. He’d be an immediate upgrade over Barbre doll, Turnstile Tobin, or the other stiffs who spent the year laying down on the job or not stepping up.

    But I agree he’s beyond being worth a multi year deal.

  590. 590 Insomniac said at 5:15 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Or we can just draft two OGs in the 3rd round and let them play.

  591. 591 Media Mike said at 5:15 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    We can do that as well if they earn the job, but I can’t ask a rookie (other than our pick at 13) to step in and play day 1. Hence why I wouldn’t take Evans for more than one year.

  592. 592 Insomniac said at 5:17 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Let them go through the growing pains. We’re not winning anything anytime soon.

  593. 593 Media Mike said at 5:17 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Part of me agrees with you, but some guys don’t come back from that type of trial by fire.

  594. 594 Insomniac said at 5:20 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    True but that’s why you get a feel about them during the interview process.

    Preferably I’d like to get one OL/WR in the 3rd and take a shot on Rees Odhiambo in the 4th round if he clears his medical.

  595. 595 anon said at 5:29 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    got nobody to look up to or study under except a washed up jp

  596. 596 Insomniac said at 5:32 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    We have no choice since we’re not a prime destination for premium FAs unless the money talks..

  597. 597 anon said at 5:51 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    that’s true

  598. 598 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 5:55 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    No decent offensive linemen will be left by the 3rd round.

  599. 599 Insomniac said at 6:05 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    According to who?

  600. 600 Joe Minx said at 5:13 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    He’s nowhere near what he once was. Still may be a good bridge option if they want to go that direction.

  601. 601 Media Mike said at 5:13 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’d give him the deal Denver gave Mathis.

  602. 602 Dave said at 5:38 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I’m up for any Bloomsburg alum to join the Eagles.

  603. 603 A_T_G said at 8:17 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Are you a Bloomsburg alum? I graduated from BU in ’99.

  604. 604 Dave said at 8:30 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  605. 605 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 8:57 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Jenkins putting in work

  606. 606 ACViking said at 5:40 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Re: Villanova Wilcats -AP #1 (Men’s B-ball)

    First time in its history that ‘Nova’s ranked #1.

    Last Big 5 school in the top spot was undefeated St Joe’s on 3/9/04.

    Before that . . . Temple voted #1 exactly 28 years ago today (Monday, 2/9/88).
    The Owls held the top spot for the last 5 weeks of the regular season.

    La Salle ’69 and Penn ’72 reached #2 . . .

    In 1969, La Salle — ineligible for the tournament — had future pros Kenny Durrett, Larry Cannon, Fatty Taylor, and Bernie Williams. Incredible team.

    In 1972, the Quakers had Phil Hankinson, Corky Calhoun, Craig Littlepage, and Bob Morse.

  607. 607 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:41 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    NFL Media Analyst Lance Zierlein via “the pick is in Podcast”:
    Executive #1: “Boy that Noth Dakota state kid is way overrated..
    Executive #2(different team): “After watching him for a full week, there is no way I would draft Carson Wentz in the first round.”..
    Are these Examples of Legit opinions of front office Execs from two different teams? Or Lame Attempts at counter Intel from Two front execs who are interested in drafting Wentz?
    any word on whether or not Wentz and Goff are participating in the combine… Lynch is participating

  608. 608 ACViking said at 5:46 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    You’d hope Zierlein interviewed 2 Execs from teams set at QB with players in in the middle of long deals — or at least, told his listeners that’s what he did.

    Goff, Lynch, Wentz all at Combine.

    All supposedly throwing at Combine, too.

  609. 609 anon said at 5:54 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    None of them is blue chip enough not to throw. Will be interesting to see what happens at combine.

  610. 610 Dave said at 6:02 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    The only QB that won’t throw will probably be Connor Cook, just to follow up on his Senior Bowl showing.

  611. 611 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:49 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    gonzo saying that arrest Warrants will be issued for Shady and his party

  612. 612 Media Mike said at 5:49 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    First guy in real trouble after Goodell make up the new conduct rules……………bye bye 2016 for Shady.

  613. 613 Greg Richards said at 5:50 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    On Foles, I’m not for trading for him, but I do believe it’s possible that he’s released – at least eventually. Yes, he’s guaranteed a $6M roster bonus that someone is paying no matter what. Look at their team though. They have Case Keenum as the vet. They drafted Sean Mannion in the 3rd round last year. Not likely to be cut. They have an extra 2nd from the Eagles and are in prime position to trade up if they like one of the top 3 QBs in this draft. They’re not going to go into the season with 4 QBs on the 53-man roster. If they draft one this year, then Foles or Keenum are likely to go. If they pay the $6M roster bonus and hold on to Foles then their leverage to get compensation in a trade improves as Foles’ base salary is only $1.75M. If they can’t trade him, they may end up releasing him at the end of training camp.

  614. 614 Media Mike said at 5:50 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    If it’s for free, it’s for me.

  615. 615 Dave said at 6:00 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Ah, good old college economics

    If it’s free, its for me.
    If it’s on you, I’ll take 2.

  616. 616 anon said at 5:53 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Foles was decent here when we had all pro calibur WRs and a solid OL. Now OL worse, WR worse, what are you going to do w/ Foles for a year except make the fan base hate you.

  617. 617 Greg Richards said at 5:58 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Secure the #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft to land DeShaun Watson.

  618. 618 OldDocNewSeason said at 5:59 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Sanchez could get us the #1 pick. I have faith.

  619. 619 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 6:00 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Tank? No, thank you.

  620. 620 Media Mike said at 6:04 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  621. 621 Telmert said at 6:02 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    The Rams could also restructure his contract to make a trade more palatable before the RB is due – convert some of that $6M so less guaranteed money gets passed on. The Eagles, and other teams, might be more interested if the Rams eat $4m of the RB guarantee, for example. Continues on your angle – the more the Rams pay, the higher the potential compensation.

  622. 622 Greg Richards said at 6:05 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    You can actually negotiate what percentage of the roster bonus each team pays. His base salary is $1.75M and the roster bonus is $6M. Depending on what percentage was negotiated the Eagles could theoretically take a cap hit anywhere from $1.75M to $7.75M.

  623. 623 ACViking said at 6:11 PM on February 8th, 2016:


    What do you think the Eagles would offer for Foles — if that’s the direction the team wanted to go (and assuming some sort of split on the GTD money)?

    Pick in 2016? 2017?


  624. 624 Mac said at 6:12 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Sam Bradford and a 3rd round pick?

  625. 625 ACViking said at 6:12 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  626. 626 Mac said at 6:18 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I was gonna say that we should trade them Sam Bradford for Foles and our 2nd round pick, but I heard the Rams GM included the “No Backsies” clause.

  627. 627 ACViking said at 6:20 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    And Kelly bought it . . . .

  628. 628 Greg Richards said at 6:20 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I think the split would be key in determining a trade. If Eagles were paying the entire roster bonus and saving the Rams $6M, the Eagles might get Foles and say a 5th for a 7th. If the Rams were paying the entire bonus, then Eagles might be paying as high as a 4th. Even split, say Eagles give up a 6th? Just guessing.

  629. 629 anon said at 6:21 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Can we stop talking about this, feel worse about the situation the more you talk about it. a 4th for the chance to pay Foles $ and watching QB? Nah, thanks.

  630. 630 Greg Richards said at 6:23 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Then, I’d expect the Eagles to avoid drafting a QB(why when you have your franchise QB on the roster) and extend Foles – say through 2021 at about $15M a year.

  631. 631 ACViking said at 6:23 PM on February 8th, 2016:


    Matt Lombardo has a bunch of tweets up about this.

    Agenda-driven for sure.

    But what he’s passing on is numbing.

  632. 632 Greg Richards said at 6:31 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Counterpoint from Allbright(dude who broke the Eagles interested in Bradford story):

    Benjamin Allbright

    2h2 hours ago

    #Eagles collecting info on all available QB options. I was told Foles re-acquisition “unlikely, but doing due diligence just in case.”

    I think this more likely is intentional disinformation by the Eagles or Schefter hearing something rather noncommittal like Doug likes Nick, he’s an option and then running with it.

  633. 633 ACViking said at 6:37 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Forgot about Allbright.

    You commented about him before during the coaching search.

    His take makes the most sense at this point. Yes? No?

  634. 634 Greg Richards said at 6:43 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Very good source-wise, very bitchy if you question to him whether his source is correct or not.

  635. 635 anon said at 6:42 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yeah read some of it before, but had to stop, risked throwing up at my desk.

    Josh McCown might be my frontrunner if we let go of Bradford. Only problem is he’s already 40 yrs old.

  636. 636 ACViking said at 6:43 PM on February 8th, 2016:


    Among your best comments. And you’re not even being ironical!!!

  637. 637 ACViking said at 6:24 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    For example (re: Lombardo):

    All I know is that I was told today the head coach loves Nick Foles and is going to make a run at getting him.— Matt Lombardo (@MattLombardo975) February 8, 2016

  638. 638 ACViking said at 6:21 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Your excellent work continues . . .

  639. 639 ACViking said at 6:34 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    How much, if any, of the Foles noise is pointed at:

    (i) Condon?

    (ii) Other teams? (to till the tag-and-trade soil, with Condon’s help)

    (iii) some other theory?

    Roseman’s light years ahead of Kelly when it comes to moving-acquiring assets for better-than-market value.

    What’s his game . . . ’cause who else has the agenda to put this kind of information out there?

  640. 640 Greg Richards said at 6:37 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Maybe Foles and his agent trying to angle for a trade back to Philly. Put out that Philly is interested, spurring the Rams to make a call to find out if it’s true or not.

  641. 641 anon said at 6:43 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    would be smart, but i thought Foles was delighted to get out of here – can’t be all Kelly related.

  642. 642 Mac said at 6:42 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Arrow points squarely at Condon.

    It’s like the scene from Monty Python and the quest for the Holy Grail where Arthur (Condon) is staring up at the french persons and they tell him “we’ve already got one” (a grail). Then Sir Galahad (Bradford) asks to see the grail and Roseman tells Bradford “no now go away.” And they launch a cow at the Knights of Arthur. (Schefter to put it out on twitter that the Eagles want Foles as their starting QB.)

    I’m loving this stuff.

  643. 643 ACViking said at 6:45 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    the cow . . . !!!

  644. 644 Telmert said at 7:21 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Perhaps if we built a large wooden badger…

  645. 645 Bert's Bells said at 6:30 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    This time, Mr. Cooper, you’ll be the one getting dropped.

    And there was much rejoicing.

  646. 646 ACViking said at 6:38 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    The sound of many groggers was heard!

  647. 647 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 8:48 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    purim already?

  648. 648 MagSaysWHAAT? said at 6:54 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Discussing team needs. There are those who say the Eagles can wait to draft an offensive lineman until the third round. I beg to differ. The following are quotes from a few assorted blogs or newspapers in the cities concerned.

    1, What can Patriots do to fix porous offensive line?
    2. Bill Callahan’s New-Look Washington Redskins Offensive Line Is a Mess
    3. Carolina Panthers offensive line can’t enjoy Miller time
    4. So that leaves the elephant in the room: the offensive line. (Titans)
    5. In fact, given that I believe the Saints’ No.1 priority on the offensive side of the ball is finding an eventual successor for Jahri Evans, here are three whom the Saints should consider selecting in this year’s draft.
    6. The Chargers used a league-high 30 different offensive line combinations … the Chargers still need talent upgrades along the offensive line.
    7. Rams finish 28th in PFF’s offensive line rankings
    8. The Seahawks’ offensive line might be one of the most rage-inducing topics in all of Seattle sports.
    9. Hunter, 56, becomes Cleveland’s O-line coach on the heels of a storm-tossed year for what was supposed to have been the strength of the team.
    10. Ravens fans aren’t wrong that the offensive line is part of the team’s to-do list.
    11. Once a dominating group, the Jets line morphed from productive to problem. Mangold and Ferguson just aren’t the players they once were, and there aren’t enough factors to overcome that. This line needs some good, young talent.
    12. How can the Vikings protect Teddy Bridgewater? The second-year quarterback was pressured more often than any other passer in the NFL in 2015, according to ESPN Stats & Information, and he’s been sacked 83 times in 29 career games.
    13. I see protection problems. They’re big strong guys, but Rogers is getting hit way too much. He is too good to allow him to function like that. You have to protect him. I don’t see that. (Green Bay)
    14. Chicago Bears’ offensive line could use reinforcements, upgrades.

  649. 649 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 7:03 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Both (Stanely and Tunsil) OTs worth drafting at 13 will be gone. There is no other OL worth taking at 13. And you don’t waste a top 15 pick on a OG.

    If they want Conklin or Decker then they should trade back but I would much rather get a QB or a top talent (CB,DT,LB)

    OL will be there in round 3, especially with how early our picks are in that round. The coaching staff thinks this draft is deep at OL; so waiting on OL might become a reality

    Teams need OL every year

  650. 650 Insomniac said at 7:10 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Sssh apparently 31 other teams don’t know that you can draft OL past round 1.

  651. 651 Charlie Kelly said at 10:58 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    for me its QB or treadwell. if the top 3 Qbs are gone and treadwell than go CB DT LB.. LB?? nah skip LB.

  652. 652 Mac said at 7:04 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Media Mike and I already have this solved.

    Get Schwartz and Jeff Allen from the FA pool.

    Head into the draft without glaring holes on the oline.

  653. 653 Media Mike said at 7:05 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    D3 had dibs on Schwartz and you have them on Allen.

    I’m just a hype man on this one.

  654. 654 Mac said at 7:06 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    If you’re not already, give Schwartz a follow on twitter. Seems like a good Philly kinda guy.

  655. 655 Insomniac said at 7:19 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    When D3 hypes up OL, I think of his mancrush for Tobin and then I don’t get as hyped up.

  656. 656 Media Mike said at 7:20 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Pro football focus also loves Schwartz, so there is some verification there as well.

    I only angrily disagree with D3 when he pumps up Hundley.

  657. 657 Insomniac said at 7:22 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    PFF also decided to put Carson Palmer ahead of Tom Brady for their All Pro team. Gotta take PFF with a huge grain of salt.

  658. 658 D3FB said at 9:22 AM on February 9th, 2016:

    Was I wrong on any OL in the draft last year?

  659. 659 Charlie Kelly said at 10:57 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    howie loves going into te draft without any glaring needs, thats always been his MO

  660. 660 Insomniac said at 7:11 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    And all of those teams have spent high picks on OL recently. So?

  661. 661 anon said at 7:49 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    great work.

  662. 662 botto said at 7:58 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    wow O-lines suck

  663. 663 ChoTime said at 10:41 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Most fans think their OL suck; a few think their OL is awesome. Rarely is a moderate position taken.

  664. 664 unhinged said at 7:16 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Sorry if I am treading on worn turf here. Of Thurmond, Thornton and Carroll, who, if any, should Eagles make a priority of keeping?

  665. 665 Media Mike said at 7:18 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    None should be a “priority”, but any are welcome to come back at a low price.

  666. 666 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 7:20 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    With switching to a new alignment I think we can let Thornton walk. Can he play DT?

    I like Carrol but I thought Rowe showed he’s a starting CB. I think his work on Sammy Watkins was impressive. And we too much money tied into Maxwell not to start him. I think keeping Carroll depends on price.

    I think Swartz is going to employ traditional SS and FS roles; so that leaves Thurmond out. I’d rather draft a guy like Cash

  667. 667 anon said at 7:48 PM on February 8th, 2016:


  668. 668 botto said at 7:58 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I don’t see anything wrong with Carroll at all.

  669. 669 Fufina said at 8:02 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Think depends on the $$ he gets offered in FA. if someone is willing to pay him to start at CB then he walks… if he only gets back up offers i would love to see him stay.

  670. 670 Media Mike said at 8:04 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    My thoughts on all 3 guys.

  671. 671 Fufina said at 8:05 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Think Thurmond will be offered starting Safety money. There is such a lack of quality Free Safeties someone will pay him. Think it is a more complex evaluation for the Eagles, but if scheme wise they want to do similar things to last year i would like him to stay.

  672. 672 Media Mike said at 8:06 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I can’t go big money for a guy who has often missed games. Although he didn’t last year, I’d be worried he’d do that again.

  673. 673 Joe Minx said at 8:39 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    “In a Monday mock draft, CBS Sports draft analyst Dane Brugler slotted Memphis QB Paxton Lynch to the Eagles with the 13th selection.

    ‘With the Eagles begin[ning] a new era this off-season and, assuming they move on from Sam Bradford, need[ing] a fresh face at quarterback. Lynch is very young in quarterback years, but he checks several boxes to develop into a quality NFL starter,’ Brugler believes the 6-foot-6, 225-pounder does, indeed, check at least the “athleticism” boxes, though there are legitimate questions about his accuracy and decision-making that could cause him to slide come April.”

  674. 674 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 8:45 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    If he’s their guy I wont hate or love the pick; but I can be ok with it

  675. 675 Insomniac said at 8:55 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    If Pederson thinks he can make Lynch work then I’ll be ok with that pick.

  676. 676 daveH said at 9:02 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    My 5th pick is barely known qb .. get him.. draft Deece

  677. 677 A_T_G said at 9:48 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Deece Nuts?

  678. 678 daveH said at 11:41 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Yep. thanks for that

  679. 679 Sean Stott said at 9:45 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I will literally vomit if we get Foles back somehow. He’s terrible.

  680. 680 ChoTime said at 10:40 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    Good thing there’s some glass there.–nfl_mezz_1280_1024_crop_north.jpg?w=759&h=506&q=75

  681. 681 Charlie Kelly said at 10:56 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    You are crazy. id vomit if sanchez is still here.

  682. 682 ac134spectre said at 11:44 PM on February 8th, 2016:

    I see Nick as a better option than Bradford.

    How much do you blow on expensive suck anyway? Rams dumped Foles, so, what ever the dead money, they should move on.