Minor OL Moves

Posted: March 5th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 94 Comments »

The big stuff won’t happen for a few more days, but we did get a bit of Eagles OL news. Backup C David Molk retired. OL Matt Tobin got a restricted free agent tender from the team.

Tobin started 7 games in 2014  and 13 games last year, mostly at RG. He flashed enough ability that the Eagles decided to keep him around, but Tobin has been disappointing. The team hoped he would win the RG spot last summer after Allen Barbre was shifted to LG. That didn’t happen. Andrew Gardner was clearly more impressive.

Tobin played LG and LT at Iowa. He seems more comfortable on the left side than on the right. As insane as this sounds, the spot he looks most natural in is LT, where he’s played as a backup the last couple of summers. I am not suggesting he should play there with the starters or anything like that. Just noting that’s the spot where he’s looked the best.

I think Tobin has an uphill battle to make the team this year. OL coach Jeff Stoutland has worked with Tobin for 3 years now. He saw Tobin go from UDFA to role player. He has also seen Tobin struggle to become a solid starter. And it isn’t as if Tobin hasn’t had chances.

Is it possible the new offense will bring out the best in Tobin? Sure. I wouldn’t count on it, though.

As to Molk, I never got the disdain some had for him. Molk struggled when he first got on the field in 2014, but then settled down and played better. He missed all of 2015 with an injury and decided to retire. There is some speculation that he’s the author of an anonymous football book.

The Eagles have Barrett Jones and Josh Andrews as backup C/G types for 2016.


Crazy story.

I grew up in Fayetteville, NC, the town where Wolff was kidnapped. There are some dangerous folks in Fayetteville. There was a time in the mid-1980’s when it was right up there nationally in murders per capita.

I’m glad Wolff is okay. Things didn’t work out in Philly, but he always seemed like a high character guy. You always want them to find success elsewhere.


With all the moves the Eagles have already made and free agency coming up, what about Fletcher Cox? Howie Roseman says not to worry. The Eagles still have room for him (financially). Jimmy Bama has the details.

“We have to make sure that we’re always in a place where we have to get Fletcher done,” Roseman told reporters. “Anything that we do is in our mind, in the back of our mind, that we want to get Fletcher done, whether that’s today, tomorrow, whatever point in time. We want Fletcher to be here.”

No word on when there will be an extension. The focus now is on free agency. That will be over in a couple of weeks and the team can become more active in talking to Cox and his agent.


94 Comments on “Minor OL Moves”

  1. 1 Mitchell said at 8:29 PM on March 5th, 2016:

    Im glad Wolffe is ok he certainly didnt kneed that stress is his life. I hope the authorities have the culprits kneeling in front of the judge. I bet he hopes he kneever has to go through that again!

  2. 2 TypicalDouche said at 10:02 PM on March 5th, 2016:

    Wolff was kidnapped?. When did he ever return from his rookie year kidnapping? In all seriousness though, hope all is well with him.

  3. 3 Media Mike said at 8:31 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Maybe the zip ties were causing “pain tolerance” issues.

  4. 4 Minor OL Moves - said at 8:32 PM on March 5th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor The big stuff won’t happen for a few more days, but we did get a bit of Eagles OL news. […]

  5. 5 solid said at 8:43 PM on March 5th, 2016:

    The Eagles definitely need to invest in the OL in free agency and the draft. It still astounds me how Chip Kelly ignored such a critical position group. It may take up to 3 offseasons to get back to a respectable line with starters and depth.

  6. 6 TypicalDouche said at 10:00 PM on March 5th, 2016:

    I agree that Chip ignored the oline but disagree that it will take years to fix. One free agent starting caliber guard and 2 good draft picks on the oline would have this team set got the foreseeable future. It’s not as bad as you’re making it seem.

  7. 7 solid said at 2:24 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    We’ll just have to disagree. This could very well be Jason Peters’ swan song season. I think the little injuries will continue to nag him. Kelce has to bounce back from a horrid season. He says he played through injury but we’ll see. Lane Johnson is solid, but look at the rest. Barbre (blah). Gardner (blah). Tobin (blah), Andrews (meh), and Jones (forgettable).

    It took the Cowboys 3 offseasons to build their line. I’m not saying their OL is perfect, hell, I think they are quite overrated, but they a few solid pieces to work with that the eagles do not.

  8. 8 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:37 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    What’s really friggin insane is that chip knew that we would be dealing with Contract issues with Mathis. If you want to rule with an Iron fist and let Mathis leave, how the hell dont you draft someone?

  9. 9 Greg Richards said at 10:29 PM on March 5th, 2016:

    First pick mock draft. Traded 13 for 22 + 52. That fits the trade value chart.

    Your score is: 9828 (GRADE: A+)

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 22 (HOU): Darron Lee, OLB/ILB, Ohio State (A)

    Round 2 Pick 21 (HOU): Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis (A+)

    Round 3 Pick 14: Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (A)

    Round 3 Pick 16: Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville (A+)

    Round 4 Pick 15: Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford (A+)

    Round 5 Pick 14: Jason Fanaika, DE, Utah (A+)

    Round 5 Pick 23: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)

    Round 6 Pick 13: Malcolm Mitchell, WR, Georgia (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 12: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 30: Wendell Smallwood, RB, West Virginia (A)

  10. 10 Insomniac said at 11:02 PM on March 5th, 2016:

    I like it. Malcolm Mitchell has the potential to be a starting slot WR and I wouldn’t mind having him on the team.

  11. 11 Mitchell said at 11:31 PM on March 5th, 2016:

    I enjoy both Garnett and Murphy. Also a fan of Peake later on. I don’t think Lynch makes it down that far but hey, why not?

  12. 12 D3FB said at 6:22 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I mean Rankins and Lynch will both be long gone as will Garnett.

    I just have no clue what the hell to do with Hall. He’s so long and that’s really intriguing but he ran like shit and I’m not sure he’s got the longspeed to stick at CB and he’s way too lanky to play S.

  13. 13 Greg Richards said at 8:26 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Lynch and Rankins are both probably gone. But Lynch is raw and I could see him slipping further than expected. Rankins is smaller than most DTs and a lot of teams prefere size at that position. I still think he’s gone but I wouldn’t be surprised if he slips to late 1st-early 2nd vs. where some are projecting him now. DT is deep in this draft though so I think we can get a good player in the 3rd even if it isn’t Rankins.

  14. 14 BreakinAnklez said at 10:18 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I’m not sure I see him slipping into the 2nd with all of the Aaron Donald comparisons. I think he doesn’t last past early 20s, which I guess could still be considered late 1st.

  15. 15 Greg Richards said at 10:52 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I like Rankins but Donald’s performance at PIT and measurables at the combine were at another level. He still dropped to 13.

  16. 16 D3FB said at 6:37 AM on March 7th, 2016:

    The other big problem is Rankins is a 3tech only. Would not make Cox happy. I agree that a guy like Austin Johnson or Vernon Butler in rd2/3 would make more sense

  17. 17 Media Mike said at 8:42 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Is there anything that Schwartz does with CBs that allows for a tad less speed?

  18. 18 D3FB said at 6:36 AM on March 7th, 2016:

    Not really. Because he plays everything they have to be pretty diverse in their skill set. It will be guys who are 5’10-6’1, who can smash you in the face before dropping in a shallow zone and then stick in your hip pocket the next play.

    I think Kyle Fuller would be the prototype.

  19. 19 Media Mike said at 8:36 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Hey look; Lynch in the correct round!

  20. 20 Media Mike said at 9:09 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Here is a different set of guys with the same trade down for Lynch concept.

    Round 1 Pick 16 (DET): Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson (A)
    Round 2 Pick 15 (DET): Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis (A)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Jerald Hawkins, OT, LSU (A)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 15: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B)
    Round 5 Pick 23: Jayron Kearse, SS, Clemson (A)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Rashard Robinson, CB, LSU (A)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Isaac Seumalo, OG, Oregon State (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 30: D.J. Pettway, DE, Alabama (A+)

  21. 21 Greg Richards said at 10:51 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I’ve been offered a 2nd round pick from Detroit for dropping 3 spots many times. Too unrealistic for me to accept.

  22. 22 Media Mike said at 11:00 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Yeah, the points don’t really work out there………….but it is Detroit.

  23. 23 Greg Richards said at 11:17 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Here’s a scenario: Say Wentz or Goff drops to 13. We may just take them. However could the threat of us taking them be enough to get our 2nd round pick back from STL while sending them our 3rd to almost cancel out the Bradford trade compensation?

  24. 24 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:32 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    If they don’t buy your bluff, just draft the QB, and watch their tune change. I would think that the LA Rams would be willing to give up good compensation for a chance at a top 2 QB prospect when they dont pick in the top 10
    Draft goff or Wentz and tell the Rams that if they want a QB. They better give us our 2nd back, since it wouldn’t be crazy for us to just keep them if they don’t agree to our asking price
    I would think that they would much much rather have Goff/Wentz instead of having two second round picks… I wouldnt agree to give them our extra 3rd round pick. If they want a QB, give us our 2nd back PERIOD, if not we keep him . You can probably squeeze some extra compensation out Of a team when you know they are trying to move up for a QB

  25. 25 Forthebirds said at 11:57 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    If Houston were to grade up with us, I think they’d go for Lynch, unless one of the top two QBs was available, which is doubtful. And if one were, the Eagles would most likely draft him rather than trade down, so. I think your scenario is wishful thinking.

  26. 26 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:28 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Yeah., if we see a trade back with the Texans, odds are they are doing the deal to move up ahead Of the Rams for a QB… But even if they moved up forsomeone like Zeke and Paxton falls, odds are that a team would trade up from round two back into the end of round 1 and take Paxton rather than hold their breath and hope he last TIL they pick again in round two. And the team will justfy it by being able to control the QB for 5 years instead of 4 if they take him at the end of round 1… So while Gregs scenario would be great, more likely if we want Lynch we have to take him in round 1, and im not sure we would like him THAT much
    Unless 3 or 4 guards get drafted ahead of him, Joshua Garnett may not last Til round 3…and I’ll wet my pants of excitement if Rankins doesn’t get drafted in round 1, we ain’t getting Rankins in round 3, that much I know
    ISNT Darron Lee more of a WIL LB? With Kendricks and Goode, we REALLY Need a Strongside LB
    But if Roseman could end up with anything remotely close to that, I’ll never say a bad word about him again lol

  27. 27 Joe Minx said at 12:13 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Gonna be keeping an eye on this kid

    “At a regional combine, Cumberland WR Wendall Williams ran an unofficial 40-yard dash in 4.19 seconds, breaking Chris Johnson’s 4.24 record.

    Let’s pour one out (unofficially) for Johnson, whose 4.24 seconds in the 40-yard dash back in 2008 had been the coveted mark to beat. No longer, at least if we’re to include regional combines. Williams also reportedly notched a vertical leap of 45 inches. The 5-foot-10, 175-pounder was a track star for Cumberland, an NAIA program, and caught 15 passes for 457 yards (30.5 yards per catch) and eight touchdowns last season. If nothing else, the blazing speed might have perked NFL ears.”

  28. 28 laeagle said at 3:01 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    The dirt on top of Al Davis’s grave just twitched a little.

  29. 29 Forthebirds said at 12:04 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    If any dead person could get a woodie, it would be Al

  30. 30 Mitchell said at 3:46 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Theres something to he said about scoring tds on over 50% of your catches.

  31. 31 Fufina said at 4:09 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I would would take a shot on him in the 3rd day. Team needs a deep threat to help push back the safeties, and even if it is only 10 plays a game his raw speed would force teams to respect him.

  32. 32 A_T_G said at 12:58 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    File in the Not the Year for a WR category:

  33. 33 BobSmith77 said at 3:21 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Hopefully Agholor eats his Wheaties this offseason. Surprised how ineffective/bad he was at times this year and even guys who are normally mild in their criticism (Jaworski/Didinger) were pretty critical of him at times last year.

  34. 34 CrackSammich said at 2:05 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    “We have to make sure that we’re always in a place where we have to get
    Fletcher done,” Roseman told reporters. “Anything that we do is in our
    mind, in the back of our mind, that we want to get Fletcher done,
    whether that’s today, tomorrow, whatever point in time. We want Fletcher
    to be here.”

    Howie is an absolute pro. He completely avoided the unintentional Cox joke.

  35. 35 A_T_G said at 2:12 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I am hoping the deal takes just long enough for Howie to tire of the question and snap. “Cox, Cox, Cox, Cox, Cox. That is all you guys talk about. You sound like a bunch of middle school boys.”

  36. 36 ICDogg said at 6:01 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Next debate, the way it is going

  37. 37 A Roy said at 9:23 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Gee, you have small paws…

  38. 38 Anders said at 2:35 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Earl Wolff is the guy I also felt sorry because Chip clearly disliked the guy even tho it was him and his staff who was responsible for his knee woes (had they found his injury earlier than a year after he got it, he might have been a starter here)

  39. 39 Media Mike said at 8:35 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Pain tolerance.

  40. 40 CrackSammich said at 10:39 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Now I know who the kids yelling the harassment into their Xbox mics grow up to be.

  41. 41 Media Mike said at 10:59 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. If they were only yelling “pain tolerance” we all might be better off.

  42. 42 A_T_G said at 9:21 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I agree. I feel bad enough for the guy that the joke I was working on about being surprised the abduction dates didn’t coincide with training camp felt like it was in bad taste.

  43. 43 Media Mike said at 9:22 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Until this franchise is winning an NFL record 7th Super Bowl; nothing is in bad taste.

  44. 44 SteveH said at 11:13 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    You bring up a valid point though, I think Chip Kelly is being brought in for questioning.

  45. 45 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:40 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Id be curious to know how his body feels these days, but since he doesn’t even seem to want another tryout/opportunity, Probably not an encouraging sign…shame, seemed like a good kid with pro safety potemtial..
    This is a prime example Of why we can’t just assume Kiko will regain his athleticism another year removed from injury. Some guys are never the same. But we can’t rule out Kiko either at this poïnt… He should be given every opportunity, but it would be irresponsible to not have a credible backüp plan at Strongside LB

  46. 46 Anders said at 4:06 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    He is on the jags roster

  47. 47 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:19 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Yeah I just saw that,, was he actually on their practice squad this past season? Or did they just recently sigń him to a futures contract? Nice to hear his career ismt completely over yet and the kid still has some what of a chance at his dream

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 8:33 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    To be blunt; the long term projections at 4 positions on the o-line for this team is poor.

    Peters is on the way out, Kelce is a skid mark of a center, Barbre Doll and Turnstile Tobin weren’t good enough at guard, and Gardner was laying down on the job when he was needed last year.

    So besides Lane, we don’t have a single guy who anybody can comfortably predict as a good starter for years to come.

    I’m glad Howie is going to address it. I just wish it was with cutting Peters, signing Schwartz and a guard, and drafting a guard and center.

  49. 49 TommyLawlor said at 9:12 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    You build the OL and DL over time. Not in one offseason. The Eagles will add bodies now and in the future.

  50. 50 Media Mike said at 9:19 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I hear you, but I can’t see a future with Peters at LT and Lane at RT. It would be much clearer with Mitchell Schwartz at RT, Lane at LT, and one new guard.

    I’m really just vexed by keeping Peters at this point. I agree the other stuff can be done over the next few years.

  51. 51 P_P_K said at 10:57 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    This is true for virtually every team.

  52. 52 Mac said at 4:01 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Will Peters start more than 10 games this year?

  53. 53 BreakinAnklez said at 9:14 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I’m not ready to give up on Kelce yet. I think respectable G play will also help Kelce out a lot. I think he was spending trying to overcompensate last year for nonsense beside him.

  54. 54 Media Mike said at 9:20 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Did the guards cause Kelce to make all of those horrible snaps? Kelce is now at the point where he’s doing more things poorly than he does well. I’d look to draft a C/G guy at some point in this draft with an eye on replacing Kelce in 2017 if possible.

  55. 55 BreakinAnklez said at 9:43 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    I think a case can be made it did play an impact. If he’s thinking about what his assignment is and the what the two guys next to him are supposed to be doing, yea, I think that could play a role in the snaps.

    As I said, I’m not willing to write him off after one bad season, given how good he’s been during his career here.

  56. 56 Media Mike said at 9:47 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    We’ll have to differ there. I’ll count that lack of focus as a negative. Not everybody gets to play with top notch teammates next to them. And I’d also point out that although 2015 was his worst season, Kelce’s propensity to get deposited into the QB’s or RBs lap by adult size NTs/DTs has been a growing flaw in his game.

    2016 will prove one of us more right however. I think we both agree he needs to improve, but you’re a tad more trusting than I am.

  57. 57 Dave said at 10:44 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Kelce is 28 and should be in his prime; however, he has been injured and clearly regressed in each of the past 2 years. You’re either an asset or liability, unfortunately Kelce has become a liability.

  58. 58 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:34 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    “Im not ready to give up on KELCE yet” is even an understatement, One of the major mistakes Eagles fans make is They are ready to trash a player as soon as he has a down year, but usually the game really doesn’t work that way.. You have to BUILD, and THATS not possible if we just trash every player that has a down year. the Giants wouldnt have two Superbowls if they operated that way.
    Over the course of a 5-8 year eagle career, most guys will have down years for various Reasons, lack of continuity changing schemes or constantly changing teammates he lines up next two.. guys have down years because of injuries. I love me some Media MIKE, THATS my dude, but on one hand he calls Gardner getting Injured “laying down on the Job” and in the next sentence he is ready to trash a player because he played thru a ton of injuries and his play Wasnt up to par.. Can’t have It both ways my passionate brother in green.. It’s like this city is so desperate for a Super Bowl that the first sigń of adversity, the first down year, we think the answer is to get rid of a player, and if the Eagles operate that way, we will always be Losers.. Football Rarely every works that way…

    Giant holes on the rpster can also have drastic negative trickle down effects that help cause down years for guys.. Take a guy like KELCE who was supposed to play next to two new Guards, neither of which had a pedigree that you could really count on, odds are that type of Dysfunctipn will throw a center out of whack. You don’t trust your guards, you start feeling like you have to overcompensate instead of just doing your normal job like he would do playing next to Guards he knew and trusted like Herremans and Mahis. Especially when talking about the chemistry required to have a successful OL.. That elite 2013 OL had 4 quality veterans who played together for a few years, and it could handle the 5th starter being a rookie drafted in the top 5.. You can’t just stick a center in between two new guards and expect “instant Oatmeal”.. It doesn’t work if the two Guards are great players. Oll chemistry is very real. If it takes time for a center to gel with quality Starting Guards, how can we expect KeLCE to not be effected by the musical chair game of guards last year, none of which were really up to par to begin with?
    You better see a guy like KELCE have multiple poor seasons in a row, or at least a steady decline over a period of time before replacing a veteran like KELCE even crosses your mind…. It’s takes like 3 years to really build a great team chemistry and to properly install an entire NFL offense and tailor it around your playërs. For the next two years, they will gradually give more and more of the offense to SAM to incorporate, and they will tailor It more and more around him as they get to know him… You need Years to really install your entire offense. You will NEVER reach that level if you want to replace starters every time they have a down year, we aren’t talking about a pamphlet sized olaybook like Chip that can be installed in a week…

  59. 59 A_T_G said at 9:23 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Barbre Doll is by far your best derogatory nickname to date. I want him to remain bad and remain on the team just for the name.

  60. 60 Media Mike said at 9:33 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    And that one isn’t even one of my creations. One of my buddies fired that one off after a particularly poor attempt at a “block” by Barbre.

    Justine Puke on the Giants in my own self-created favorite.

  61. 61 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:17 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    I always went with the “bearded Barbie Doll”, but yours works fine too

  62. 62 Media Mike said at 1:11 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    I doubt he’s enough of a man to grow his own facial hair.


  63. 63 ICDogg said at 12:54 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Potential first pick of the draft: Laremy Turnstile

  64. 64 Media Mike said at 12:56 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Negative on Tunsil. He good.


  65. 65 ICDogg said at 1:07 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    How about QB Jared Goof?

  66. 66 Media Mike said at 1:09 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Nah, he good too.

  67. 67 Media Mike said at 1:10 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Noah Spends his money on drugs is a possibility. It has to be a guy I hate to get a nasty name.

  68. 68 ICDogg said at 3:04 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    I’m an equal opportunity name nastifier.

  69. 69 Bert's Bells said at 11:56 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Yeah, I usually disdain dopey nicknames of all sort but that one got a chuckle.

  70. 70 Sean Stott said at 4:07 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Cutting Peters would be a big mistake

  71. 71 Media Mike said at 4:50 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    How about trading him and signing Mitchell Schwartz?

  72. 72 solid said at 4:23 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    I posted something similar earlier. While I’m a fan of Jason Peters, I think we are entering “Herremans” territory with him. My wishlist is to get a free agent guard a la J.R.Sweezy or whoever (still young and can give the Eagles 4 to 5 years of duty) and then get our RT of the future in this draft so the Eagles can begin next year (not this upcoming just to be clear) with Lane at LT. If another one of our OL picks this year works out at the other guard spot, then we can amass some more OL prospects the next year to push Sweezy or whoever, as well as Kelce if need be.

  73. 73 Dominik said at 11:41 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Kind of a crazy idea, but could the waiting for the Cox extension actually be a good thing, out of a team perspective? I know that his agent probably thought about that, too, but the expactation with the rising cap is that FAs will get crazy money. And some absolutely will.

    But: it appears to be a very deep draft for DL, especially DTs. Which is Cox position. Do you think it’s possible that the interior FA DLs get paid, but not break any records, because of the deep draft at the position and teams thinking about making huge offers to DTs twice, which leads to a stagnation for the DL market and Cox regretting not to make a deal before FA?

    Now, don’t get me wrong, we won’t get Cox on a 12m per year deal. The market went up last year with Suh and Watts extension. And players like Malik Jackson or Wilkerson will get paid, one way or the other. I just thought, maybe the expectations for the FA class will not life up due to a strong draft class.

  74. 74 Fufina said at 11:52 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Think Cox deal is hugely complex since the Tag will be cheaper than his annual average salary. Eagles are saying next 2 years will cost us $23mil to keep him around, far less than his true value of $16mil+.

    so they start any real discussion from 2018 on wards in their minds with $23mil penciled into the next 2 years. Cox feels he is a $18mil a year player, so any value they offer is going to be significantly below market value.

    Think this probably runs into next off season where he will get tagged because neither side is going to want to move from their current position and the Eagles have him under control for 2 more ‘cheap’ years.

  75. 75 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:12 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    isnt Cox agent the same man that got Marcel Dareus paid?
    He is going to end up getting BIG BIG MONEY, and he wll be worth every penny and it will be a pleasure paying him that type of money. Hopefully we draft more great players with great team Charechter that will end up commanding Fletcher Cox type $$$..
    I really don’t get why re-signing Cox became this big deal. It’s really like the least of my concerns, being able to count on him not leaving Philly any time soon. When they pay him, how much they pay him, really doesn’t matter much to me, knowing there is no shot in hell we let him leave Philly any time soon, especially when we also are fortunate knowing that we have one of the truly elite NFL GMs when it comes to contracts and salary cap management. I worry about Rosemans evaluations, and fortunately stevie wonder could properly evaluate cox.
    As eagle fans there is so much uncertainty all over the place, I feel really lucky the Cox situation is the one thing I don’t have to worry about. great young player. high Charechter, selfless, team first player who 100% wants to be an Eagle, and a Franchise who wont allow Cox to get away any time soon, a GM Who is geat with Contracts, and has really shown us that if we Want a player and the player wants to be here, Roseman gets the contract DONE, and it’s comforting knowing that he is the best in the business with cap management and has been a wizard at drawing up contracts where we are reasonably protected and that won’t Cripple our cap situation, while also making our players happy.. Im certain that I will be pleased with how this situation gets resolved. Lol I probably wouldn’t feel this way if Chip was still in charge
    We may have 99 problems, but Cox’s eagle future isn’t one…

  76. 76 Dominik said at 1:12 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    I don’t worry about the Cox deal, since he’s under contract for this year and the franchise tag wouldn’t break the bank next year. I just thought about if the FA could actually be a good thing from a team perspective, because maybe the prices won’t go as crazy as many anticipate. Expectation is always important.

  77. 77 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:09 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    I dunno,, I understand your logic, but while this is a rich DT draft, I don’t see it having an impact on the free agent prices of top DTs. I would think guys like MALIK Jackson are still getting PAID in FA this year…
    But your logic is an interesting question for a situation like This years Horribly weak crop of Free Agent WRs, if it coincided with the STACKED Odell Beckham WR,class of a few years back. In a situation like that, maybe the great WR draft could keep teams from drastically overpaying for guys like Travis Benjamin and Marvin jones, good, but not great players who will probably get much more than they are worth, but if there is a free agent WR that is legitimately elite, I don’t think it would ever effect his contract. He would still get PAID, which is what I expect to happen with top DTs like MALIK Jackson who I assume will get a monster contract even tho this draft is deep witg DTs.
    Keep in mind that Cox’s agent got Marcel Dareus his big payday, I would think he will demand similar deal for Cox. Would you be ok with not paying Cox and letting him walk because it’s a good DT draft? Of course not, so I doubt it has any bearing on what an Elite player like him will command… But we’ll see

  78. 78 Dominik said at 7:29 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Listen, I’m not saying Howie is even thinking about using this strong DT draft class as leverage in the negotiations. It would be in insult to Fletch.

    My thinking was more like Cox agent is waiting for the FA because he thinks the new deals will break records, giving him more players to compare his players favorably to (“if that guy gets X, what do you think Fletch would get in 2 years as a FA?”, that kind of thing). I think the expectations is for a real flow of cash.

    But maybe, just maybe the draft class will keep the FA money down a little bit. Of course Jackson and Wilkerson get paid a lot of money, no doubt, but maybe the expectation is higher than the money paid. And that would help the team a little bit. Not in a huge way, but a little bit.

  79. 79 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:57 AM on March 6th, 2016:

    Think Tommy boy is spot on with his Tobin analysis. Personally I thought Gardner is a better player than both Barbie and Tobin who most had ahead of Gardner. Sucks that he got hurt so early and didn’t get a chance to really evaluate Gardner and find out if he can be the next late Blooming OL gem we find, or a pretender like Barbie doll. Think Lane was also negatively effected by Gardners injury. Over the course of 16 games, Lane played next to like all our Guards. HOPEFULLY Lane Will get to enjoy stability this year and build chemistry playing next to a quality RG this year. I do think Gardner will put up a good fight for that starting RG spot in camp this yeàr.
    Think it’s been clear that Tobin is better on the left side and often there was a real drop off in his game when he had to play on the right side. Tom is also right about him looking better at LT than anyone could have expected. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it, Tobin hasn’t played enough at LT to really know what he is capable of in that role. keep in mind that Dennis Kelly also showed to be a capable Tackle initially, but as he got more playing time more and more of his wharts started to show.. Tobin showed some promise that gives me faith that he can hold down the LT spot for a game, game and a half if we need him to, but we have no idea if he can really back up JP for a year and be the guy we are comfortable playing at LT for half a season or am extended period of time if JP gets injured.
    so while I have never been a fan of turnstile Tobin, I still have plenty unanswered questions, so it’s not a terrible idea to bring him back into Camp this summer and further evaluate his ability and growth, but im hoping we upgrade the OL so much, that Tobin ends up not making the 53 man roster… The one thing I do think that I know about Tobin, is that he needs to leave playing on the Right side alone, and focus on growing his versatility as a LG/LT…. Because Tobin is younger than Barbie, it would be nice to see Him pass Barbie on the depth chart. I dont have much faith in Tobin, but hopefully he is still growing as a player. If we find out that he is already hitting his head on his ceiling, the sooner we upgrade him the better
    We know that JP, Lane, KELCE, a free agent and a top 100 draft pick at OL will all make the 53 man roster…but im hoping Dennis Kelly, Tobin, Barbie and Gardner won’t be ALL BACK, it be great if someone like BUNCHE, Josh Andrews or Barret Jones take a big step forward in their development and take one of Those 4 OL roster spots. We will obviously add UDFA OLineman for Camp. Be Great if Stoutland can uncover a hidden Gem who ends up making the roster, but ATleast 1 OL needs to be drafted early, if Not two, and we need to sign a FA Lineman..
    If we can get a quality starter in FA, draft an OL in round two or three, and another OL in round 4 or 5, we should be able to put us in a better position to have a quality camp competition at OL that pushes Players to really grow.. The first step to improving the line is to drastically upgrade the level Of talent for Camp and make it a competitive dog fight this summer at camp to make the roster… If we can make these improvement to the Line this year, draft another OL in the top 100 next year, we could put ourself in position to really have an elite OL by yeàr two of the Pederson regime, but that can only happen if Roseman gets the evaluation process right, especially when it comes to draft prospects

  80. 80 ICDogg said at 12:58 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    They call it kidnapping, but it’s more of an extended armed robbery where they take you to ATM machines so you can pull money out of the bank.

  81. 81 Bert's Bells said at 2:13 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Kidnapping makes it Federal.

  82. 82 ICDogg said at 2:54 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    I guess. It’s just that kidnapping as we usually think about it is far more serious of a crime. And I don’t say that to minimize the severity of this type of armed robbery. It’s just not the same crime. You water down the meaning when you extend it to cover this type of situation.

  83. 83 Bert's Bells said at 3:51 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Blame Lindberg -the original Donald Trump.

  84. 84 Joe Minx said at 1:56 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Joseph Randle got arrested again today.

    I feel like I could just automatically post this every few weeks & be right.

  85. 85 A_T_G said at 3:07 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    When I read this my first thought was that I had accidentally loaded some old cached page.

  86. 86 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:59 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    His 6th arrest…. Baffles me how a Guy who was starting in the NFL a year ago can get arrested this Frequently. It’s almost like he is actively trying to break Titus Youngs arrest record

  87. 87 Laguna Eagle said at 5:24 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Didn’t Jeff Fisher draft Titus Young. Another reason to dislike Fisher quite s bit. Fraud.

  88. 88 D3FB said at 6:31 AM on March 7th, 2016:

    Actually that was our buddy Schwartz.

  89. 89 BobSmith77 said at 3:23 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Lucky you don’t see many kidnapping issues like in the US unlike in Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela, and especially in several Central American countries.


    Hell the uberwealthy in Brazil in Rio and Sao Paolo generally fly by helicopter even in the city.

  90. 90 Sean Stott said at 3:26 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Guy I work with knew someone who was kidnapped for ransom in Mexico. They killed her. Cops urged him to not go public about it. Seems like they don’t want people to realize how big of a problem it is.

  91. 91 BobSmith77 said at 3:37 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Yeah. Mexico really is a whole set of different countries depending upon where you are going including even Mexico City area.

    I’ve been down to Monterrey and it amazes me how much American FDI and relocation of U.S. based production & operations facilities have ‘Americanized’ the city including the penetration of American stores. Almost forget you are in Mexico as if you are down in the resorts on the Yucatan Peninsula.

  92. 92 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:56 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    In Italy, crime is so much lower than it is in our big cities in the USA, but the crimes my family worry about the most over there is Home Invasions/Kidnapping for ransom because of the stupid law that you aren’t allowed to shoot anyone even if they break into your home and you are trying to defend yourself from harm, criminals know that regular people aren’t alowed to shoot you, so it has become a popular crime.. To the point where you go into any of my families homes and the houses are built with like bank Vault doors that you have to go thru to enter the second floor, and these vault doors to enter each individual bedroom, with House safety protocol in place to lock it down in case of kidnapping/home invasion attempts.
    Kind of weird to be over there and not have to worry about all the crime that is q concern here, not have to worry about everyone carrying guns, but seeing this heightened sense of awarness/concern for home invasion kidnappings, which typically isnt one of the major crimes we deal with in our crime filled society

  93. 93 BobSmith77 said at 5:01 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Interesting. I didn’t realize that was that much of an issue in Italy but I haven’t been to Italy for a few years.

  94. 94 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:11 PM on March 6th, 2016:

    Yeah it certainly has become a problem. Bêtween Mafia kidnapping, political kidnapping and Albanian crime has hit italy Hard,. Majority of the people in Italian prisons are Albanians which is weird to me because Albanians ISNT a group of people that we come into contacts with often in the USA. Really need to change the Ridiculuos gun law where you get arrested if you shoot someone while legitimately defending yourself especially against home invasions. To not have the right to defend yourself is crazy