Mock Draft Time
Posted: March 27th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 234 Comments »Most people don’t understand the point of mock drafts. They look at the picks and judge them on how they reflect their own opinions and preferences. Maybe they would be better served if we called them Draft Scenarios, because that’s really what they are.
Think about the real draft for a minute. Every year things happen that seem improbable and sometimes dumb. We all ripped on the Cowboys for taking C Travis Frederick in the 1st round. That certainly wasn’t ideal value, but they ended up getting a very good player. The Jags picked Jonathan Cyprien in the 2nd round in 2013 and everyone praised the pick. He has been disappointing so far. The Raiders were laughingstocks when they spent a 2nd round pick on Mike Mitchell. He’s now in the 8th year of his NFL career.
The point is that many people laugh off a mock draft as awful or dumb or some other negative comment when they don’t like it. They’ll make a logical argument for why their criticism is right. But the real draft doesn’t always follow conventional logic. A good mock draft is going to have some odd picks because that’s reality. Things never go exactly as we expect them.
Doing a mock draft is a really good exercise. You find out very quickly just how hard it is to come up with a scenario that you really like. There are only so many high picks. You aren’t going to cover all the holes you want to. You have to decide what is critical and what players are just too good to pass up. Think of this like having a basket full of groceries, getting to the checkout and then finding out you don’t have enough money. You slowly pull out items until you get to the point you can afford what’s in the basket, while also making sure you kept the most important items.
I did a mock draft for PE.com.
After going QB early, I focused on the Eagles coming away with a pair of good DL. This is a scenario that fascinates me. We just saw the Broncos win a Super Bowl with an overwhelming pass rush. The Eagles currently have a good DL, but adding young talent could make the group even better. The Eagles haven’t had a really strong defense since 2008. Jim Schwartz is an outstanding coach. There are some good pieces in place. Adding more talent to the DL could help to solidify this as a Top 10 group.
There are other scenarios I’ll explore as I do other mock drafts. After you put several of these together, you start to get a feel for what you really want to happen.
I will say this…I am definitely intrigued by trading back and adding a 2nd round pick.
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In the piece, I did say that Jared Goff is my favorite QB.
Carson Wentz is bigger, stronger and more athletic. I just happen to like what I see from Goff more. I think he has better pocket presence. I think he makes better decisions. I think he is better on deep balls.
Doug Pederson may prefer Wentz more. I don’t know. I think both are very talented and have a lot of potential.
I don’t love Goff to the point where I think the Eagles must get him, but I’d be happy if he fell to 8 and they made him the pick.
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I posted some draft notes over at ScoutsNotebook on random prospects.
Back to watching tape on more guys.
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Mock drafts are media driven… What drives me crazy is fans then go into the draft with certain media oppinions of where media thinks guys should be drafted,and if what the pro team does DOESNT match the value the media put in fans heads, fans start chirping about “Reaching”…. Id like to think more often than not that how NFL teams determine these kids value during the real draft, is a better guage of prospect value than the value media drilled in our heads for two months about Where they think a prospect should be drafted…
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There are some rare cases, where someone like chip goes all “Mad King” in the draft and completely pisses all over value… But for the most part, I hate fans siding with media over NFL teams calling kids a “reach”… That gives way way more credit to the media than they deserved
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I haven’t done a single mock draft this year, and will never do one again, but to each his own..
i waste too much time getting aggravated at the same thing – “team __ deserves an F grade because the mock drafts i read made by media members said they reached…”
But I do find it strange that mock drafts are actually as good as they are in ranking the top 10, top 20, etc players. There is always some random “reach”(as declared by media members) in the top 10 picks… but that also means the other 8 or 9 picks that are not declared crazy “reaches” were pretty in line with mock drafters. VH3, Jack, Stanley etc. are likely in the top 12 picks, who knows if one is going 6 and another 11, but they will very likely not go 25 or 30. And i have this kind of faith because of past mock draft consensus top picks being pretty accurate.
I figure, and i hope, this consensus on top picks comes partly from talking off the record with team’s scouting depts. I hope some media members are connected enough to talk with actual scouts just to get a sense of where they rank players in general, to get some sense that VH3 is seen highly by 5 teams, then he likely seen high by others so there is some legit reason to put him at 8 or 10 in a mock draft.
The problem is scouts and teams feed media counter Intel, so even what the media hears from scouts can’t be trusted..
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Im sorry but I’ll be damned if I value Mel Kipers opinion over our front Office. If our front office ISNT better at this than friggin Mel Kiper, we have big problems
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I remember when seattle got killed by the media for drafting Bruce Irvin…. Turns out pete Carrol knew what he was doing and the media didn’t..
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“But for the most part, I hate fans siding with media over NFL teams calling kids a “reach””
Until all 32 teams release their draft boards, I’ll keep screaming “reach” using reporter generated value. It is the best available data.
To each his own… But I’ll never give Mel Kiper that much credit again
Most of the time “reaches” don’t pan out- Danny Watkins, Marcus Smith, Kevin Kolb….
How can MS2 be a reach if I knew he was closer to a first round pick, than the 3rd round value the media drilled into your head? He can’t be a reach if another team was gonna take him in the next 5 spots,…
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I don’t remember Watkins being this massive reach, typically he had round 1 vakue assigned to him pre draft…
I don’t what shore-parker thinks about anything. I would like to know what percentage of correct picks any of the media have in say rounds 1-3. After the first half of the first round it is a total crap shoot.
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I was a big Cyprien fan. Wonder why he isn’t working out.
With all the smokescreens we’re sending out, I bet we’re going to do our usual completely unpredictable thing. Howie is masterful at masking our intentions.
I F-bombed when he was taken a few spots in front of us in round 2.
Yeah Ertz worked out alright though didn’t he? I was definitely rooting for Cyprien though.
Indeed he did. Just having to deal with the Chung experience had me hyper-focused on a safety.
Cyprien is a liability in coverage. Big guy, “box” safety, etc. but if you can’t stay with the TE or the back out of the back field, gain weight and be a LB which is what Cyprien, Bucanon, etc are doing.
TE it is then
How far would we have to trade back to get a second round pick? I think it would be quite a ways, yes?
The other thing is, what player would be available at 8 that the Eagles wouldn’t want and some else really does? In realistic scenarios, I don’t see that happening.
a QB. Its no secret that i’m not the first member of Bradfords fan club, or hold a membership at all, however the fact is that Bradford is a starter in the league and several teams lack one of those. If we go into the season with Bradford as our QB, we’re in a perfectly manageable situation. One could even make an argument that we’d actually be worse of next year with a rookie than with Bradford. I wouldn’t make that argument and obviously the hope is that the rookie gets better than mediocre and actually gives a chance to win the SB after next year, but the point stands.
If a team isn’t in that similar situation, they can improve their season tremendously by adding a QB, because a QB is the most important position in sports. If some team wants a QB, we could most definitely be persuaded for the right price.
A similar point could be made about any LT. Jason Peters is on the team next year and we have a future LT in Johnson, at least according to the contract we gave Lane. Our immediate need at OT isn’t as big as other teams, and we’d be perfectly fine trading down.
DeForest Buckner might also hold significant less value for us when considering scheme and our already stacked and young OL. Others teams might offer quite a price to get him.
If the board falls out bad for us, its almost a guarantee that it was perfect for someone else. That being said, I think both QBs will go before we pick, and we’re gonna stay at our spot and get a really good prospect.
Not here to argue with anything you said but can I ask you what it is you have seen out of Bradford for you to be a fan of his and think he deserves to be the QB?
I axed you sumpin
Go away you stupid annoying worthless troll.
The height of irony you calling someone else a troll!
Considering that I am in no way a troll I don’t see the irony in anything. So before you sound stupid try and actually reading post that I put up because I don’t troll anyone. Also if you got an issue with anything I say then don’t read or respond plain and simple. Oh you’re a Philly.com poster, you have already lost all credibility in your post.
I’m picturing the commercial with the guy in waders dangling a dollar on the fishing line. Kinda fun watching you jump for it.
You’re right I jumped right on the hook of this loser, I should of known better then that.
are you gonna take this, dooosh,
Are you ever gonna move on from your obsession with me
loser.
Oh, I was replying to the many other trollish posts you put up. Your screen name fits you perfectly Trollking!
You better bet your eyes checked guy since my post are not troll level in any way. Get your fact straights and go back to posting stupid post on stupid philly.com. That site welcome turds like yourself.
Stop talking shit to my groupie.. Get your own… “BUGE Balls” talking shit about your screen name is Rich,.. You are talking to a groupie who responds to me like 5 times a day for over a year and I havent thought enough about the dork with a frat boy screen name to respond to him a single time.
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You have “Aaron”… Leave my bitches alone! Get your own TD
Oh damn I didn’t think about people actually having groupies. What a shame.
You don’t see me trying to take your bitch boy Aaron lol
Im thrilled to have SAM
Dude get real man. Even during Sam’s great, healthy seven game second half straight was pure mediocre. You can twist it anyway you want because of your obsession with Bradford but with the amount of plays he played his stats were not impressive. You can twist them any way you want but they were average stats and stats that compared to what Weeden did with the Cowboys. You keep telling yourself that a 29 year old QB is still “ascending” but I look at him for what he is and has been his career and that’s a below average QB. At some point you have to get real with your opinion on him cause your fandom blocks out the reality of Sam not being that good.
Ok, we’ll see…. If im wrong, I’ll be here for you to throw it in my face…. All I know is you don’t judge your QB watching team success on game film. Eliminate the 10 players from the equation and I saw a lot of promise from how SAM played The position…the most important thing was a kid with his injury not being skittish in the face of pass rush, standing Tall willing to take hits to deliver the ball, and I was shocked by how well he handled that so soon after his injuries… Very promising as far as I’m concerned. Im thrilled that we get to see more
I truly hope I’m wrong in my assessment of Bradford and I hope he makes me eat every bad word I said about it. I just haven’t seen much up until this point. I hope the new offense brings out the best in him
My Bigger concern is durability… For Bradford ever to matter as our starting QB he needs to go on and put together 3 or 4 years of healthy continuity… Obviously I would have to be insane to just assume he can, but its also not fair to assume he can’t, thus the short term deal and expensive back up…… If he goes on to stay healthy for a few years, I expect to be a very happy fan… If he gets hurt, I sure hope we have a credible back up plan
Deals made on the cusp will often reveal a GM’s target for the first time. If HR trades up for a Goff or a Ramsey, it would be a bit of a shock to those of us expecting a reverse move. Some other guy could be craving Elliot, and if he’s on the board at 8, I think HR could definitely get a mid to late 2nd rounder. Of course, that’s assuming that HR is not the guy craving Elliot.
Only problem with that is that a team with a mid to late second has a mid to late first. We wouldn’t go that far back. That’s what makes getting a second so challenging.
Yes and No,,,,. If there is a QB on the board at #8, there is a chance we can charge a team like the Rams a 2nd to move up for him…. If it’s a non QB trade where we move back 4 or 5 spots, we could probably get a 3rd, giving us three 3rd round picks, which we can then package two to get into round 2 and still have one 3rd round pick
3 unavoidable truths: death, taxes, and Tommy wanting to trade back in the first round to add picks every season.
TL, RE your mock, 77 strikes me as on the high side for an overachieving and short DT. He could be better than he’s projected, but I think there could be more DT talent at 77.
How is 6-2 short?
I think he’s 6-1, and I don’t mean that is a deal breaker, but his reviews are so-so. I didn’t see the Shrine game, but I’m guessing his pass rush is all about first-step quickness, and he’s going to be facing much better OL’s at the next level.
Aaron Donald makes a living off being short with a quick first step and it works for him.
I generally like Hargrave, but we really shouldn’t just be throwing out “Aaron Donald.”
Well I’m not saying Hargrave is aaron Donald but referring to the short stature and explosive first step.
For sure! I just think there are a ton of fairer guys to use than Donald.
I agree, he was just the 1st to pop into my head since he is the cream of the crop when it comes to short explosive players
Fair point. if Hargraves is anything close to Donald – he’s carrying 20 or so more pounds on a very similar frame – he’ll go before 77. I should not have cavalierly dismissed Hargraves on size; my own bias, if a DT is NOT a star as Donald and, to a lesser extent Simon were, I would prefer longer arms, bigger hands and longer torso. I know that those metrics mean very little outside of the context of competition, drive and mental picture. I’ll blame it on Chip.
Do you know who you’re talking about? Hargrave is 6’2 almost 300 lbs. In no way is that short.
you ever et a frawg
Your stupid posts are just beyond annoying at this point. Why are you obsessed with me. Hop off loser.
Yiu guys actually have some really entertaining schit going on
He was 309 at the combine
Another reason our points on Hargrave are valid.
Mock drafts are boring and simplistic guessing games. A mock EAGLES draft board would be Soooo much more interesting, and give us fans a better clue to what players might interest the EAGLES, and where (what round) they might be slotted. I hope someday a sports journalist or perhaps a group of them (EAGLES Almanac writers maybe?) could mock an EAGLES draft board. Would love to know who the 10 players the EAGLES value at the top of the draft, and the order they have them on their board. A mock draft board would also be fun to follow during the draft.
Probably too early for that and the mock was done for Eagles website.. You want to do that after all the visits while you compile all info needed and sometimes Tommy does something like that right before the draft.
I think we have to focus on OL more than this draft does. OL is a position that goes off the board early in real drafts so when you’re doing a mock you may have to select players that aren’t necessarily BPA on the board. People doing mocks tend to just grab the best value, but I don’t think that reflects how the real draft will go.
Would like one of those third round picks on the ol
I could swap out Nassib for Joe Haeg and be very happy.
Yeah I hate taking Nassib over a OL
You read my mind. I always seem to agree with your thoughts whether on here or twitter.
Yeah, we need OL more. We have a 2016 starting need, possibly two 2017 starting needs (one perhaps being a tackle), and depth issues. I think that is why Tommy might be interested in a trade-back which nets a second rounder… should be able to get a good additional player. We do have a lot of picks but most are rounds 5-7 — an additional high pick could help quite a bit more.
I’m just not sure I want that to be at the expense of a real difference-maker at #8. And the QB is somewhat of a crapshoot there.
Speculation we might move up to 1. If so, isn’t Tunsil the best choice?
We’d only be moving up that far for a QB. It doesn’t make sense to do that from 8 for a position of lesser value.
I disagree. Tunsil is considered one of the top three or four players in this draft, and could solidify the left tackle position for more than a decade. He’s listed as the first pick in most mock drafts due to the fact that he is one of the closest to a sure thing in this draft.
To move from 8 to 1 would cost 1600 points in addition to pick 8. I think Tunsil is every bit as good as you say, but I can’t justify that level of opportunity cost for a position that Lane Johnson is schedule to be playing sooner rather than later.
But you can justify reaching for a QB that isn’t ranked nearly as high as they are being slotted in mock drafts.They are developmental QB’s and everyone thinks they need to sit and learn their first year or two. You can get a developmental QB or two in later rounds. If the QB is the guy they want, than that’s the risk they are willing to take. Tunsil should be a plug and play starter for more than a decade. Keep Johnson at RT. The trenches are where you win and lose games.
Can I justify it? No. Will they? Probably only for a QB. I agree the trenches are important, but I don’t think they’d logically pay that price to move up for an o-lineman.
I happen to think them trading up any higher than 5 or 6 simply won’t happy due to the lack of ammo, so this entire convo is probably dead end conjecture.
Coach Doug Pederson: said “I Don’t Know About Drafting A QB At No. 8”. Doubtful they would move up for one after that comment.
http://goo.gl/U3535C
Thank you for the link. That could also mean that he’s not sure that the QB he wants would be there at 8 and taking a different one wouldn’t be worth it.
I didn’t get that impression, but it is a possibility. He referred to a drafted QB as the third QB.
Im not sure coach pederson is recognized as a football genious so it’s pretty scary having him decide how much of the franchise to mortgage and to trust his draft call .. im worried
The irony of misspelling genius…priceless.
Fat fingers half blind on a bus eating chicken wings anyone ?
Deserved
“I Don’t Know About Drafting A QB At No. 8, the guy we want would be gone by then if we don’t go get him.”
Maybe something like that?
Eric Fisher was considered one of the top three or four players in his draft, too.
The Jags are rumored to be trying to trade Joekel and he was as “can’t miss” as it gets.,… I always thought the fisher hype was ridiculous, but Joekel struggles have surprised me
Joe Thomas has really helped that Browns franchise right?
You only move up that high for a QB and the reason the Titans aint picking Goff is because of Mariota
Stop devaluing positions… You need Talent at as many positions as possible. But yes it’s crazy to trade multiple top picks for a tackle or any prospect as far as I’m concerned
Tunsil is considered a Top PROSPECT, not a top player…
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I like the kids talent just like everyone, but I loved Greg Robinsons upside too and the Rams are still waiting on him to validate the selection
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Trading multiple top picks for any prospect is a bad idea as far as I’m concerned, it would take like 3 or 4 top 100 draft picks to move up for Tunsil, and no one is worth that IMO
Odd that it isn’t listed to read without having to click over to that other place, but here are Tommy’s picks.
First round (No.8 overall) – QB Jared Goff, Cal
Third round (No.77 overall) – DT Javon Hargrave, South Carolina State
Third round (No.79 overall) – DE Carl Nassib, Penn State
Fourth round (No.100 overall) – RB Paul Perkins, UCLA
Fifth round (No.153 overall) – WR Charone Peake, Clemson
Fifth round (No.164 overall) – OL Caleb Benenoch, UCLA
Sixth round (No.188 overall) – LB Steven Daniels, Boston College
Seventh round (No.233 overall) – OL Halapoulivaati Vaitai, TCU
Seventh round (No.251 overall) – S Tevin Carter, Utah
Generally speaking:
– Would be pumped to get Goff
– Hargrave would add serious value to this team
– Nassib worries me somewhat
– Perkins was called a “poor man’s Jamaal Charles, so in my book that is a “rich man’s Barner”, so we can cut Barner, so I like the pick
– Peake is an interesting physical talent w/ drop issues so he should fit in well here
– Caleb is a guy I don’t know a ton about, but if he can’t block at guard we’ll have Caleb bee-atch to put with Barebre Doll and Turnstile Tobin
– Daniels would be a fun guy to put in the LB group, he seems like he’d be a fun guy to train behind Kendricks
– Mr Vaitai is big, but needs some NFL strength and conditioning
– Carter seems like a good developmental prospect at safety
So all in all………….I like getting Goff, think we’d have some good talent to ad to the team, but feel that we didn’t get better enough on the O-line.
Doubt they draft a WIL LB, which is why I assume they have no interest in Zack Brown… We have KEndricks and Najee at WIL, and we don’t have two LBs for either or The LB spots, so adding a WIL makes little sense, unless it’s someone like Jack who can play all over
And in reply to Tommy’s
Round 1 Pick 8: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (C+)
Round 4 Pick 2: Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (A+)
Round 5 Pick 25: Jatavis Brown, OLB/SS, Akron (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)
Round 7 Pick 30: Aaron Green, RB, TCU (A+)
love that Aaron Green pick
Thank you. I need an ABB (anybody but Barner) approach to RB depth on this team.
LOL. I don’t mind him as a 3rd running back
I do. His inclusion on the roster last year was undermining of the entire concept of the best 53 players earning their spot on the roster.
Cooper, Austin and Murray received the bulk of my hate last season.
Cooper and Austin for sure with me. Barner has been perpetual for the last two seasons. This year’s focus will be on whoever starts at guard opposite Brooks, Kendricks, Kelce, and Huff.
Murray put the nail in the coffin on the season with that fumble.
Matthews, Randle, Agholor and Givens. Then add in who ever we draft. I think Huff is a camp trade
whats your opinion on Monongai (sp?) he didn’t get much action in the preseason last year, but i thought he looked better than Barner, for sure.
I’d agree he looked better than Barner. I hope he gets a shot in camp this year. I also wonder if Tucker can recover from his injury last year in order to be given a shot.
Why is that odd? I’m sure the traffic to the other site helps Mr. Lawlor with Howie’s good graces.
I don’t really follow NCAA football, let alone Pac-12, but a coworker said that Goff was a whiny baby. ??
First I’ve head of that. The human feminine hygiene product is supposed to be Connor Cook.
what happened to eagles game balls
Always like Tommy’s thoughtful mock drafts, and this is no exception. I think waiting for Goff at 8 is a sensible aspiration and expectation. Signs point to Wenzel going before Goff and likely to the Browns at #2. Barring a trade up, that would leave the Niners as the only other likely rival to draft a QB and hopefully between Kaepernick somehow staying with SF and/or Kelly’s QB hand size obsession, Goff slips to #8. I would pick Goff at 8 but I’m not sure he’s worth additional resources to move up to grab him. If Goff does not last, then I would go Hargreaves then Stanley in priority.
My only quibble with Tommy’s mock is similar to Greg Richards below. I think we have to go with OL help earlier. An additional DT in the third is good, but DE has better depth than DT and OL, and I would wait later for a flyer on an edge rusher. I’m counting Marcus Smith as worth getting a look as a fourth DE in the rotation and bumping DE below DT and OL for priority.
There should be a very good guard to draft and challenge for a starting job in the third round. If we don’t get our OT of the future in round one, we should get our guard of the present in round two, barring some ridiculous BPA that slips into Round 3.
Rest of the mock draft is really good, per Tommy’s usual.
I still don’t agree with any QB being taken in the first round by the Eagles. If Goff and Wentz were sure-fire bets, yes, but they are not Mariotta and Winston. Why sign both Bradford and Daniel and then target another QB in the first round? There are other more pressing needs to be addressed, such as OL, CB, DL and LB, IMO.
I favor a trade-down to secure a later 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder, and then draft at QB prospect anywhere from 3 to 5.
This is so tiring and we have a month plus to go, but it’s what we do as pathetic Eagles’ fans. I meant rabid, but whatever. And, when it’s over, some of us will gloat, while others will scream in anguish. Can’t wait for OTA’s. Remember how Agh’s was killing it without the pads? We might even draft another Stanford player who will be behind the learning curve all season long, because he couldn’t attend OTA’s (see Ertz).
I see where you are going with that mock, but I can’t get behind not selecting an offensive lineman until near the end of round 5. I like Goff, Perkins and Hargrave (although he’s raw). Peake is an interesting HWS that I haven’t watched enough of. Vaiti could possibly be a good back-up RT and possibly developed into an eventual starter. I can’t really comment on Carter due to only watching him a couple times. He caught my eye with a couple picks in the Las Vegas bowl though.
This mock doesn’t really get me excited, but its solid.
I like Charone and Perkins as picks, but I think an OL should be taken with one of those 3rds
http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#tab=rankings
Interesting list of guys still left. I’m not sure if any fit here, but I’d love Jahri Evans on a one year deal to hold down the fort until a draft pick was ready to take over as our starting guard.
I think we need to bring in FA options at LB. We’re really thin there. There’s not much left in FA unfortunately. Zach Brown is probably the best bet there.
We could also use another option to compete for the 3rd safety. I do think that if we draft a CB high, say Hargreaves in Round 1, that some of the guys currently listed as CBs will be in the safety mix.
That makes sense.
Zack brown? no more WIL LB… We need a backup SAM and a backup MIKE
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Tulloch would be nice, but I don’t know if he is ready to sign with a team that gives him no chance to start
Zach Brown played WLB in the 4-3 and ILB in the 3-4. He’s 6-1, 248 pounds. He has the size and athleticism to play at MLB or SLB. I’m not sure if he was ever the signal caller of the D so MLB may be problematic from that perspective.
need DT as well
DT is the biggest immediate defensive need. This player will need to be ready to contribute to the rotation week 1, where as any other defensive Need wjll only see the field if a starter gets hurt
WHAT??
YOU JUST SAID
“outside CB is The Only potential immediate starting need”
THIS IS FUCKING MADNESS
Listen Donkey… OUTSIDE CB is a NEED because smart teams address a NEED a year before you throw him on the field via the draft… So CB is a blatant starting need for 2017, so if we are smart, we will draft him now.
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Where as unless starters get hurt, DT is the one NEED who will have to contribute week 1 to the rotation…. If a starter gets hurt, that is a friggin DEPTH NEED!
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Clear enough for you to comprehend? We NEED to add Talent ever, but per also have to prioritize
NO NO NO NO
YOU SAID CB WAS THE ON;Y POTENTIAL IMMEDIATE STARTING NEED. THEN YOU TURN AROUND 15 MINUTES LATER AND SAY THAT DT IS THE BIGGEST NEED. THERE IS NOT CONSISTENCY IN WHAT YOU SAY. THIS WHOLE TIME YOUR EAGLES ANALYSIS HAVE BEEN BUILT ON A FOUNDATION OF LIES.
Lol hee Haw, Hee Haw
Curry is going to be the nickel DT. You need a guy to spell Cox but he’s not going to play a significant amount of snaps.
I’d sign a vet at the 1-year minimum. With the draft so deep at DT this year, I’m not committing significant resources to a FA DT.
Or maybe Amini Silatolu on a 1 year deal at the league minimum. Or Stefen Wisniewski, he’s still a free agent.
Wisniewski would be an upgrade over Kelce!
Stop it
No. Kelce needs to prove he’s not shot.
Yeah that doesn’t mean you throw him in the trash before he does or not… I dig the Barner hate, but I try to keep the talk somewhat realistic, and replacing Kelce now simply isn’t reality no matter how much he pissed ME and You off last year
Again, that’s fair. I just want the team to be looking at how to upgrade from Kelce ASAP.
Upgrade means Improvement, and Ill take improvement just about anywhere I can get it, so i hear you brother… Feel friggin weird to have Starting Safety as one of our most set positions after all these years
Can’t wait to see them play together this season.
I wish we had any idea about what we have at backup center. Fuck if I know if Barrett Jones or Josh Andrews can play or not if called upon…
How about we use Donald’s idea and sign Wisniewski……….then Kecle would be the backup center.
Yeah I can assure you Kelce isnt going to the bench no matter how much you hate him… I would have to know what we have in Barett Jones and Josh Andrews to have any idea whether we have to invest in a backup… I have NO IDEA what we have or don’t have in them… Barrett isn’t a kid anymore, how do I know that he hasn’t grow into a credible backup center or not? Wth do I know about what Josh andrews can or can’t do?
Kelce needs to man the F up and block somebody this year. And/or not snap the ball into oblivion for no reason other than in infantile lack of focus.
That’s fine, but no matter what you think, he will be the starting center in September as long as he is healthy…. Shit im not thrilled with how he played either, just trying to be realistic
I agree that will also be the situation, but I’m hopeful the draft a possible 2017 replacement for him.
Sure would feel much better if we were able to draft a kid who can be a credible LG AND Center… That would definitely be ideal..
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But if we can’t get a kid with that Type of versatility, I wonder where they would prioritize adding a pure center? I really have no idea how they will see it….. Kelce has another yeàr like last season, and I can promise you I will whip out a freshly sharpened Pitchfork, but that’s premature at this moment.
Nah, Kelce could still start. Wisniewski can play LG.
My old boss is friends with his family… i too would be all for it lol.
Round 1 Pick 12 (N.O.): Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida (A)
Round 2 Pick 16 (N.O.): Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Kentrell Brothers, ILB, Missouri (A+)
Round 4 Pick 3 (DAL): Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA (B)
Round 4 Pick 8 (CHI): Kolby Listenbee, WR, TCU (A-)
Round 4 Pick 18 (IND): Bronson Kaufusi, DE/OLB, Brigham Young (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14 (DAL): Brandon Allen, QB, Arkansas (C)
Round 7 Pick 12: Stephane Nembot, OT, Colorado (F)
Round 7 Pick 30: KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame (A+)
FYI, if you’re 7th round tackle can’t block I’ll be calling it Stephanie Fembot.
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Would be a good pick. If things don’t work at OT, you could always convert it to cheerleader.
….or into a (Canadian) fireman.
YES!!! See my post below, Will. However, I don’t believe Hargreaves lasts that long.
With the way Hack is shooting himself in the foot, I wonder if we could wait for him with our 4th round pick?
I don’t want a qb with a bullet in his foot in any round.
Putting bullets into yourself will get you suspended every time. I can thing of a certain felonious NYG WR who found that out.
Before that incident he really had a shot at being great.
….just like thousands of other prospects.
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When it comes to The defense, outside CB is The Only potential immediate starting need, and even that isn’t a desperate need with nolan and Leodis. I HOPE we find one, but we could get away without it, especially since if we draft one, Id prefer benching him his rookie year, I hate rookie CB’s as much as I hate rookie QB.
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Besides CB, there are no other posituon on defense where we have an immediate need at a starting position…. So from there, the next Biggest Need is a backup for Cox who can pair with cox as interior pass rushers on 3rd down….we need Backup LBs and Safeties, but those players will sit The bench unless starters get hurt, where as our DT Need ISNT a starter, but it’s someone who will need to be part of The rotation week one, so while technically it’s not a Starting Need, A backup 3tec DT is our biggest Immediate Need on defense..
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We currently only have one credible backup LB, Najee who backs up KEndricks at WIL… We still need a backup for Hicks and Bradham, but if we are lucky and they stay healthy, we won’t have to throw the rookie LB into the fire, where as we need a DT who can be part of the rotation Day 1, so while it may not seem that way, DT is one of our biggest immediate needs on the team….and the DT has to add interior pass rush, he can’t just be another in stuffer who can’t play on 3rd down. Probably could use a backup safet as well
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DT, and then outside CB are our biggest immediate needs on defense, but we could use depth just about everywhere on Defense accept for WIL LB. MIKE and SAM LB are our next biggest Depth Needs
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LG, RT, #6 WR and RB are our bigest Offensive needs.. Might need a Backup center, no idea what we have on the bench at center
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DT, CB, Strongside LB, Middle LB are our biggest defensive needs
At CB they have Carroll, Rowe, Leodis, and Jacory Sheppard. LB is a bigger need. I’m not a big fan of Kendricks and he’s had injury issues his whole career. Hicks has had injury issues as well. Bradham is a sort of an unknown. There’s really no depth behind those guys. You can’t even count on those 3 in the long term.
Kemdricks is starting this year..Schwartz named him as one of the guys who were held back the most by last years defensive scheme, and named Kendricks and Curry as the guys who he plans on “taking the handcuffs off of”
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KEndricks is going to start, and his backup is the ONLY position that is already filled at LB… We will add LB, but I’d bet you it will be a SAM or MIKE before its a WIL!!!
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Cb is a NEED, why? Because smart teams forsee a future need ahead of time and draft a replacement at least 1 year before we have to call on him to start, nolan and Leodis are signed as bandaids
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CB and DT are the biggest immediate needs, and we NEED to add depth just about everywhere
Strange how the scheme last year held Kendricks back, yet he was still able to consistently ALWAYS over-run plays.
Was it to simple so he was always a step ahead, and unable to actually tackle the guy where he was? Did it hold his arms down when he tried to tackle? Did it force him to bite so hard on minor PAs that he could do nothing but stand there like a rube afterward?
I have been a big fan of Kendricks in the past, but man-oh-man. He was worse than Ernie Simms last year. I still really like him and expect him to bounce back. I just hate that anyone would make an excuse for his performance last season.
He’s f-ing maddening. WAY too many missed plays. Can’t cover anybody taller than a 6th grader. The San Diego game of 2013 is still haunting me.
I thought Bradham is the guy who hasn’t missed a game.
Bradham, Kemdricks, Hicks all missed time because of injuries
Then its Randle who hasn’t missed a game. I just knew one of the new guys hasn’t missed time
Its Brandon Brooks.
Yeah randle
I don’t know too much about Bradham which is why I said he’s an unknown.
He looked like a very solid starter under Schwartz the last time.
Going into this next season, even if Leodis isn’t starting, I feel fine there. If both our guys repeat how they played last year that unit will actually be a bit of a strength. Sure Noland is no world beater, but he was probably the best guy since Asante outside of Rowe (followed by Byron). So in terms of what we have had in the past I feel pretty darn ok there.
Just for reference in case anyone doesn’t know my feeling on our CBs. I was actually kind of okay with Cary Williams as a starter for us. Probably due to PTSD of Nnamdi and DRC, but that’s where I am.
Nick Fairley you fucking whore. He just signed with the Saints
Yeah, he was NEVER realistic for us
More creditable reporters than the NJ.com ones have connected him to the Eagles. Aaron Wilson reported that we had made him an offer and Wilson is one of the best guys out there.
I know I think far more highly of the Eagles than the rest of the world. Still… money being equal, looking at the Saints D compared to ours, I am baffled he would choose that team over ours. Sure they have Brees. Unfortunately that is close to all they have. That defense is an atrocity. I guess he would rather start on an atrocious D and try to be like the -hottest ugly chick left when the bar closes- next off-season, rather than playing a part-time role for us and not getting the credit he thinks he deserves.
Screw em!
He has a whole lot better of a chance of starting in NO, the financial offer may have been better than PHI’s and it’s closer to where he grew up. Combined, understandable why he’d choose NO.
Assuming the money wasn’t much different and the basic premise is that he is trying to prove something, I still don’t get it. It would probably be much easier to shine in a 5-15 snap a game role on this defense, than it will be on the defense. I always assumed he starts there and backs up here.
In our scheme, in a back up role, I could see him getting double digit sacks (a la Darren Howard). The one part of his game team really want to see, in order to give him big money. For my money, I’m gonna line up next to Fletch 5 times a game rather than beating my face into double teams 30 times a game. He isn’t that guy. Sad for him that he thinks he is.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious that there was real interest in Fairley from the Eagles’ side.
Whore and Saints in the same breath. Nice.
jared Cook Could be a very nice addition for the Packers, but I haven’t seen the contract #’s, and he damn sure ISNT worth what the Rams were paying him… Could be a nice weapon for Rodgers that was lacking a TE last year
1yr… 3.65mil…. Not a bad deal at all for GB
Rodgers was lacking a OL last year more importantly.
If Finley didn’t get hurt so much he would be a top-5 TE currently.
….they need Jordy back, i didn’t believe GB would have dropped off so badly after Jordy went down
I dunno man, while his line could certainly have been better, even when he had time, I didn’t see much of Rodgers “making his garbage WRs better” like some fans think every good QB should be able to do…. Seemed like they had a lot of issues, a Fat starting RB, some OL issues, average at best WRs (Cobb wasn’t good enough), and they haven’t had a TE since Finley got hurt… Jeff Janis was like one of their most promisng weapons. they NEED to be better in more than a few areas, even a great QB can’t solve too many holes.
you can throw me in the “Rodgers should make bad WR’s better” category…. it’s odd though because I actually liken his style of play to Cam/Luck (more mobile out of pocket magic) more so than Manning/Brady (statues in pocket)…. this season has made me realize Rodgers is NOT Manning/Brady, but more of “+2.5 seconds” extend play kind of guy (Cam/Luck/Big Ben)… every GB game i watched it seemed like Rodgers would get impatient and try to force something, however i think he would be the best candidate to play like Manning/Brady (statue) and make bad WR’s better, but his style of play does not dictate that, so I am assuming that Rodgers is going to play MUCH more in the pocket this season than before. I think this year Rodgers will play more Classical Style Pocket Passer if McCarthy is any kind of coach.
Doesn’t Finley have the dropsies? I thought you couldn’t trust him to catch anything.
Laquon Treadwell ran a 4.65 at Mississippi’s pro day.
That’s not good.
A pro day 4.65 is like a 4.75 at the combine
Anquan Boldin – 4.71 in the 40.
http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/2582/
AQ’s probably the exception that proves the rule (i.e., WRs who run 4.65+ 40s don’t do particularly well in the NFL).
True. If he’s smooth enough in his routes and dominant at the catch point he might be ok. He wont be Dez 2.0 like people were making him out to be a few months ago
Jarvis Landry as well ran slow as hell. Treadwell will still probably be a high pick but his stock undoubtedly slipped.
I . . .
Excellent point.
Landry ran a 4.77.
http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4331/
But he plays at 4.5, it seems.
..and in the slot, where speed doesn’t as much matter as when playing outside.
It helps that he catches anything and is tough as hell too.
I still wish he was an Eagle over Jordan Matthews. That tough ass hell sticky handed WR is something that we needed for our QBs.
Landry ran that on a pulled hamstring
no wonder he plays at 4.5
I don’t think it slips him that much. No one was expecting him to run fast. Not the same as a guy who looks fast running slow. He looks slow and ran slow.
And Allen Robinson ran 4.6
GR . . .
Any thoughts on how that impacts LT?
Brandon Boykin signed a 1-year deal with Carolina.
…if you can’t start might as well try to get a ring somewhere.
He got in a year late for that effort.
Give Cam more weapons and the Panthers should be in the final four again.
Hopefully not.
Cam had a career year, no question, but his division will be better I think, and division rivals are the best indicators of how to play an offense. If some DC decides that Greg Olson is going to be hit on every Carolina offense snap, he may be less of a game-changer in the 4th quarter. And It’s not as if Newton isn’t going to be playing with a target on his back. I think if Carolina goes to the SB this coming season, Rivera AND Newton will have to be reassessed.
How about when they regress?
I was kinda suggesting that, barring some luck and unknown resolve, they will regress some. I like Riverboat Ron, but they’re going to get everyone’s A game, and the more you show, the tougher the grind gets. I expect them to make the playoffs, but not to be favorites.
Olson has been the go to in that offense for 3-4 years now. When Benjamin went down, everyone knew they needed to stop Olson and couldn’t. Benjamin will be back. Funchess should improve.
Was thinking the same.
Shame, I was hoping we would snag him again.
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so you’re saying trade up?
No.
Oh, I see, you want to trade down for the extra second rounder. Gotya.
No.
Fehlleitung?!
Achtug, Achtung!
After the Chip Kelly experience I don’t blame Sam Bradford for lack of development in St Louis anymore…. he really did just get drafted into a turrible situation…. LeSean/DeSean both had career altering situations due to some asinine coach…. in retrospect LeSean would have been our franchise leading RB probably though my lifetime (maybe?) and DeSean had a shot being all time leading receiver ( i hated DeSeans antics, but had a soft spot for undersized guys because I am one)…. just realizing that players talents really DO NOT MATTER unless that talent is fostered correctly….. it honestly has changed my view of draft prospects and how QB-Prospect#1 may be a fit for Team-X @ pick #2, but not Team-Y @pick #4…………….like my old business-101 professor would ALWAYS say you need 3 things to be successful.. MONEY/TIMING/LUCK.
Think Contuinity is also very important to development. Even if St Louis offense wasn’t a mess, his lack of continuity because of reoccurring injuries I would think would still have Hampered his development. That gets compounded by the offensive crap that he had with the Rams,… For SAM to Ever stand a chance in this league, he needs like a 3-5 year window of relatively good health(like last year) and schemes/coach continuity,,… He can’t afford another 8 month injury
The Carson Palmer mold could fit very well, problem is that Carson has had success in the NFL with his initial team, Bradford has not had success outside of his rookie year, ala RG3…. i just hate Jeff Fischer and I can’t say that enough lol.
..actually good example too: Carson & Arians…. i think offensive philosophy of Arians and attributes of Carson lined up to accelerate progress 10 fold in Arizona.
yup. Lots of Qbs are victims of bad coaches and vice versa. Gotta get the guy with the right skills for your system.
“After the Chip Kelly experience I don’t blame Sam Bradford for lack of development in St Louis anymore. . . . ”
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Bradford, Foles, and Sanchez had their best seasons — by far — under Kelly.
Now Bradford’s returning to a more conventional offense, like the ones he ran with the Rams.
Middlekauf reporting Eagles working out Goff today. Someone who’s on first-class with Howie and Pederson is saying Howie has spent the whole flight watching film on Goff.
Kyle Scott
@CrossingBroad
HAPPENING NOW: Flying First Class with Doug Pederson and Howie Roseman to San Francisco (to… http://www.crossingbroad.com/?p=52055
Creepy, but informative.
Maybe they were craving good chinese and mexican food too?
East coast Chinese is just as good, but the Mexican food out here in california is far superior.
I have to disagree. I’ve ate at numerous authentic places in San Francisco and it was always better than the stuff Phiily/NY has to offer.
Most good places in San Francisco don’t use MSG and I can’t say the same for places in NY/Philly.
But MSG is 100% healthy and it makes food taste better. See: Doritos, Funyuns
I don’t have anything against MSG but the locals do. Locals ran restaurants out of business if they found out that they used MSG.
yeah authentic chinese is the way to go, w/out all that sugar, msg, extra corn starch, etc.
However, after living in NYC and SF. NYC chinese food is way better than SF.
I guess it comes down to taste. Then again I never do the ordering and my family knows most owners so they always get the original recipe instead of the watered down stuff.
I would hope that Howie spends some more time watching film on Goff before making an educated decision. How long was the flight again?! lol
Story notes howie watching film, Doug watching a movie.
for real?
yeah story said howie watching film for 4 hours, douggy p. a history movie, did spend a little time working on a depth chart.
queue stories about how Howie has too much power.
I mean, I would hope he would be spending a lot of time reviewing film on Goff… Doesn’t really tell us anything, I imagine Howie’s watched extensive film on all the top prospects at this point.
This report makes me much happier than reading that Howie was watching The Program and taking notes. “Team building activity: Schuylkill Expressway at night?”
I have a few guys I suggest try that out.
your mention of Jim Schwartz being an excellent coach reminded me of this question. With the benefit of hindsight have you changed your opinion of Billy Davis? Does he even have a job?
It’s kind of hard to evaluate Billy Davis when we know how much of a control freak CK was. I doubt Davis got here and said “we have to run a 2-gap 3-4”.
It was consistent with his performance at other NFL teams…
Yeah i think he’s LB’s coach in Jax or something like that.
Nope, he’s unemployed at the moment. At least by an NFL team.
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