Mock Draft Time

Posted: March 27th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 234 Comments »

Most people don’t understand the point of mock drafts. They look at the picks and judge them on how they reflect their own opinions and preferences. Maybe they would be better served if we called them Draft Scenarios, because that’s really what they are.

Think about the real draft for a minute. Every year things happen that seem improbable and sometimes dumb. We all ripped on the Cowboys for taking C Travis Frederick in the 1st round. That certainly wasn’t ideal value, but they ended up getting a very good player. The Jags picked Jonathan Cyprien in the 2nd round in 2013 and everyone praised the pick. He has been disappointing so far. The Raiders were laughingstocks when they spent a 2nd round pick on Mike Mitchell. He’s now in the 8th year of his NFL career.

The point is that many people laugh off a mock draft as awful or dumb or some other negative comment when they don’t like it. They’ll make a logical argument for why their criticism is right. But the real draft doesn’t always follow conventional logic. A good mock draft is going to have some odd picks because that’s reality. Things never go exactly as we expect them.

Doing a mock draft is a really good exercise. You find out very quickly just how hard it is to come up with a scenario that you really like. There are only so many high picks. You aren’t going to cover all the holes you want to. You have to decide what is critical and what players are just too good to pass up. Think of this like having a basket full of groceries, getting to the checkout and then finding out you don’t have enough money. You slowly pull out items until you get to the point you can afford what’s in the basket, while also making sure you kept the most important items.

I did a mock draft for

After going QB early, I focused on the Eagles coming away with a pair of good DL. This is a scenario that fascinates me. We just saw the Broncos win a Super Bowl with an overwhelming pass rush. The Eagles currently have a good DL, but adding young talent could make the group even better. The Eagles haven’t had a really strong defense since 2008. Jim Schwartz is an outstanding coach. There are some good pieces in place. Adding more talent to the DL could help to solidify this as a Top 10 group.

There are other scenarios I’ll explore as I do other mock drafts. After you put several of these together, you start to get a feel for what you really want to happen.

I will say this…I am definitely intrigued by trading back and adding a 2nd round pick.


In the piece, I did say that Jared Goff is my favorite QB.

Carson Wentz is bigger, stronger and more athletic. I just happen to like what I see from Goff more. I think he has better pocket presence. I think he makes better decisions. I think he is better on deep balls.

Doug Pederson may prefer Wentz more. I don’t know. I think both are very talented and have a lot of potential.

I don’t love Goff to the point where I think the Eagles must get him, but I’d be happy if he fell to 8 and they made him the pick.


I posted some draft notes over at ScoutsNotebook on random prospects.

Back to watching tape on more guys.


234 Comments on “Mock Draft Time”

  1. 1 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:57 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Mock drafts are media driven… What drives me crazy is fans then go into the draft with certain media oppinions of where media thinks guys should be drafted,and if what the pro team does DOESNT match the value the media put in fans heads, fans start chirping about “Reaching”…. Id like to think more often than not that how NFL teams determine these kids value during the real draft, is a better guage of prospect value than the value media drilled in our heads for two months about Where they think a prospect should be drafted…
    There are some rare cases, where someone like chip goes all “Mad King” in the draft and completely pisses all over value… But for the most part, I hate fans siding with media over NFL teams calling kids a “reach”… That gives way way more credit to the media than they deserved
    I haven’t done a single mock draft this year, and will never do one again, but to each his own..

  2. 2 jaws80 said at 6:32 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    i waste too much time getting aggravated at the same thing – “team __ deserves an F grade because the mock drafts i read made by media members said they reached…”

    But I do find it strange that mock drafts are actually as good as they are in ranking the top 10, top 20, etc players. There is always some random “reach”(as declared by media members) in the top 10 picks… but that also means the other 8 or 9 picks that are not declared crazy “reaches” were pretty in line with mock drafters. VH3, Jack, Stanley etc. are likely in the top 12 picks, who knows if one is going 6 and another 11, but they will very likely not go 25 or 30. And i have this kind of faith because of past mock draft consensus top picks being pretty accurate.

    I figure, and i hope, this consensus on top picks comes partly from talking off the record with team’s scouting depts. I hope some media members are connected enough to talk with actual scouts just to get a sense of where they rank players in general, to get some sense that VH3 is seen highly by 5 teams, then he likely seen high by others so there is some legit reason to put him at 8 or 10 in a mock draft.

  3. 3 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:59 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    The problem is scouts and teams feed media counter Intel, so even what the media hears from scouts can’t be trusted..
    Im sorry but I’ll be damned if I value Mel Kipers opinion over our front Office. If our front office ISNT better at this than friggin Mel Kiper, we have big problems
    I remember when seattle got killed by the media for drafting Bruce Irvin…. Turns out pete Carrol knew what he was doing and the media didn’t..

  4. 4 Media Mike said at 7:15 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    “But for the most part, I hate fans siding with media over NFL teams calling kids a “reach””

    Until all 32 teams release their draft boards, I’ll keep screaming “reach” using reporter generated value. It is the best available data.

  5. 5 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:04 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    To each his own… But I’ll never give Mel Kiper that much credit again

  6. 6 Donald Kalinowski said at 8:30 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Most of the time “reaches” don’t pan out- Danny Watkins, Marcus Smith, Kevin Kolb….

  7. 7 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:13 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    How can MS2 be a reach if I knew he was closer to a first round pick, than the 3rd round value the media drilled into your head? He can’t be a reach if another team was gonna take him in the next 5 spots,…
    I don’t remember Watkins being this massive reach, typically he had round 1 vakue assigned to him pre draft…

  8. 8 Forthebirds said at 11:50 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I don’t what shore-parker thinks about anything. I would like to know what percentage of correct picks any of the media have in say rounds 1-3. After the first half of the first round it is a total crap shoot.

  9. 9 Mock Draft Time - said at 2:59 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor Most people don’t understand the point of mock drafts. They look at the picks and judge them […]

  10. 10 SteveH said at 3:12 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I was a big Cyprien fan. Wonder why he isn’t working out.

    With all the smokescreens we’re sending out, I bet we’re going to do our usual completely unpredictable thing. Howie is masterful at masking our intentions.

  11. 11 Media Mike said at 7:13 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I F-bombed when he was taken a few spots in front of us in round 2.

  12. 12 SteveH said at 12:29 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah Ertz worked out alright though didn’t he? I was definitely rooting for Cyprien though.

  13. 13 Media Mike said at 6:16 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Indeed he did. Just having to deal with the Chung experience had me hyper-focused on a safety.

  14. 14 bushisamoron said at 10:12 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Cyprien is a liability in coverage. Big guy, “box” safety, etc. but if you can’t stay with the TE or the back out of the back field, gain weight and be a LB which is what Cyprien, Bucanon, etc are doing.

  15. 15 Howie Littlefinger said at 10:45 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    TE it is then

  16. 16 Bob Brewer said at 3:17 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    How far would we have to trade back to get a second round pick? I think it would be quite a ways, yes?

  17. 17 Bob Brewer said at 3:29 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    The other thing is, what player would be available at 8 that the Eagles wouldn’t want and some else really does? In realistic scenarios, I don’t see that happening.

  18. 18 Patrick said at 4:01 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    a QB. Its no secret that i’m not the first member of Bradfords fan club, or hold a membership at all, however the fact is that Bradford is a starter in the league and several teams lack one of those. If we go into the season with Bradford as our QB, we’re in a perfectly manageable situation. One could even make an argument that we’d actually be worse of next year with a rookie than with Bradford. I wouldn’t make that argument and obviously the hope is that the rookie gets better than mediocre and actually gives a chance to win the SB after next year, but the point stands.

    If a team isn’t in that similar situation, they can improve their season tremendously by adding a QB, because a QB is the most important position in sports. If some team wants a QB, we could most definitely be persuaded for the right price.

    A similar point could be made about any LT. Jason Peters is on the team next year and we have a future LT in Johnson, at least according to the contract we gave Lane. Our immediate need at OT isn’t as big as other teams, and we’d be perfectly fine trading down.

    DeForest Buckner might also hold significant less value for us when considering scheme and our already stacked and young OL. Others teams might offer quite a price to get him.

    If the board falls out bad for us, its almost a guarantee that it was perfect for someone else. That being said, I think both QBs will go before we pick, and we’re gonna stay at our spot and get a really good prospect.

  19. 19 TypicalDouche said at 4:45 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Not here to argue with anything you said but can I ask you what it is you have seen out of Bradford for you to be a fan of his and think he deserves to be the QB?

  20. 20 Aaron said at 4:46 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I axed you sumpin

  21. 21 TypicalDouche said at 4:48 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Go away you stupid annoying worthless troll.

  22. 22 Buge Halls said at 5:16 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    The height of irony you calling someone else a troll!

  23. 23 TypicalDouche said at 5:36 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Considering that I am in no way a troll I don’t see the irony in anything. So before you sound stupid try and actually reading post that I put up because I don’t troll anyone. Also if you got an issue with anything I say then don’t read or respond plain and simple. Oh you’re a poster, you have already lost all credibility in your post.

  24. 24 A Roy said at 6:11 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I’m picturing the commercial with the guy in waders dangling a dollar on the fishing line. Kinda fun watching you jump for it.

  25. 25 TypicalDouche said at 7:20 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    You’re right I jumped right on the hook of this loser, I should of known better then that.

  26. 26 Aaron said at 6:46 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    are you gonna take this, dooosh,

  27. 27 TypicalDouche said at 7:16 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Are you ever gonna move on from your obsession with me

  28. 28 Buge Halls said at 7:24 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Oh, I was replying to the many other trollish posts you put up. Your screen name fits you perfectly Trollking!

  29. 29 TypicalDouche said at 7:52 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    You better bet your eyes checked guy since my post are not troll level in any way. Get your fact straights and go back to posting stupid post on stupid That site welcome turds like yourself.

  30. 30 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:52 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Stop talking shit to my groupie.. Get your own… “BUGE Balls” talking shit about your screen name is Rich,.. You are talking to a groupie who responds to me like 5 times a day for over a year and I havent thought enough about the dork with a frat boy screen name to respond to him a single time.
    You have “Aaron”… Leave my bitches alone! Get your own TD

  31. 31 TypicalDouche said at 9:48 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Oh damn I didn’t think about people actually having groupies. What a shame.

  32. 32 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:21 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    You don’t see me trying to take your bitch boy Aaron lol

  33. 33 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:48 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Im thrilled to have SAM

  34. 34 TypicalDouche said at 9:53 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Dude get real man. Even during Sam’s great, healthy seven game second half straight was pure mediocre. You can twist it anyway you want because of your obsession with Bradford but with the amount of plays he played his stats were not impressive. You can twist them any way you want but they were average stats and stats that compared to what Weeden did with the Cowboys. You keep telling yourself that a 29 year old QB is still “ascending” but I look at him for what he is and has been his career and that’s a below average QB. At some point you have to get real with your opinion on him cause your fandom blocks out the reality of Sam not being that good.

  35. 35 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:14 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Ok, we’ll see…. If im wrong, I’ll be here for you to throw it in my face…. All I know is you don’t judge your QB watching team success on game film. Eliminate the 10 players from the equation and I saw a lot of promise from how SAM played The position…the most important thing was a kid with his injury not being skittish in the face of pass rush, standing Tall willing to take hits to deliver the ball, and I was shocked by how well he handled that so soon after his injuries… Very promising as far as I’m concerned. Im thrilled that we get to see more

  36. 36 TypicalDouche said at 10:48 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I truly hope I’m wrong in my assessment of Bradford and I hope he makes me eat every bad word I said about it. I just haven’t seen much up until this point. I hope the new offense brings out the best in him

  37. 37 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:51 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    My Bigger concern is durability… For Bradford ever to matter as our starting QB he needs to go on and put together 3 or 4 years of healthy continuity… Obviously I would have to be insane to just assume he can, but its also not fair to assume he can’t, thus the short term deal and expensive back up…… If he goes on to stay healthy for a few years, I expect to be a very happy fan… If he gets hurt, I sure hope we have a credible back up plan

  38. 38 unhinged said at 4:25 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Deals made on the cusp will often reveal a GM’s target for the first time. If HR trades up for a Goff or a Ramsey, it would be a bit of a shock to those of us expecting a reverse move. Some other guy could be craving Elliot, and if he’s on the board at 8, I think HR could definitely get a mid to late 2nd rounder. Of course, that’s assuming that HR is not the guy craving Elliot.

  39. 39 John Galt said at 12:30 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Only problem with that is that a team with a mid to late second has a mid to late first. We wouldn’t go that far back. That’s what makes getting a second so challenging.

  40. 40 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:45 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Yes and No,,,,. If there is a QB on the board at #8, there is a chance we can charge a team like the Rams a 2nd to move up for him…. If it’s a non QB trade where we move back 4 or 5 spots, we could probably get a 3rd, giving us three 3rd round picks, which we can then package two to get into round 2 and still have one 3rd round pick

  41. 41 Iskar36 said at 3:26 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    3 unavoidable truths: death, taxes, and Tommy wanting to trade back in the first round to add picks every season.

  42. 42 unhinged said at 4:18 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    TL, RE your mock, 77 strikes me as on the high side for an overachieving and short DT. He could be better than he’s projected, but I think there could be more DT talent at 77.

  43. 43 Anders said at 4:32 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    How is 6-2 short?

  44. 44 unhinged said at 4:48 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I think he’s 6-1, and I don’t mean that is a deal breaker, but his reviews are so-so. I didn’t see the Shrine game, but I’m guessing his pass rush is all about first-step quickness, and he’s going to be facing much better OL’s at the next level.

  45. 45 TypicalDouche said at 7:18 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Aaron Donald makes a living off being short with a quick first step and it works for him.

  46. 46 Media Mike said at 7:29 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I generally like Hargrave, but we really shouldn’t just be throwing out “Aaron Donald.”

  47. 47 TypicalDouche said at 7:50 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Well I’m not saying Hargrave is aaron Donald but referring to the short stature and explosive first step.

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 7:52 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    For sure! I just think there are a ton of fairer guys to use than Donald.

  49. 49 TypicalDouche said at 7:54 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I agree, he was just the 1st to pop into my head since he is the cream of the crop when it comes to short explosive players

  50. 50 unhinged said at 7:42 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Fair point. if Hargraves is anything close to Donald – he’s carrying 20 or so more pounds on a very similar frame – he’ll go before 77. I should not have cavalierly dismissed Hargraves on size; my own bias, if a DT is NOT a star as Donald and, to a lesser extent Simon were, I would prefer longer arms, bigger hands and longer torso. I know that those metrics mean very little outside of the context of competition, drive and mental picture. I’ll blame it on Chip.

  51. 51 TypicalDouche said at 4:42 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Do you know who you’re talking about? Hargrave is 6’2 almost 300 lbs. In no way is that short.

  52. 52 Aaron said at 4:45 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    you ever et a frawg

  53. 53 TypicalDouche said at 4:47 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Your stupid posts are just beyond annoying at this point. Why are you obsessed with me. Hop off loser.

  54. 54 daveH said at 11:13 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Yiu guys actually have some really entertaining schit going on

  55. 55 Anders said at 4:59 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    He was 309 at the combine

  56. 56 TypicalDouche said at 5:44 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Another reason our points on Hargrave are valid.

  57. 57 Johnnydeagle said at 5:57 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Mock drafts are boring and simplistic guessing games. A mock EAGLES draft board would be Soooo much more interesting, and give us fans a better clue to what players might interest the EAGLES, and where (what round) they might be slotted. I hope someday a sports journalist or perhaps a group of them (EAGLES Almanac writers maybe?) could mock an EAGLES draft board. Would love to know who the 10 players the EAGLES value at the top of the draft, and the order they have them on their board. A mock draft board would also be fun to follow during the draft.

  58. 58 RC5000 said at 11:23 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Probably too early for that and the mock was done for Eagles website.. You want to do that after all the visits while you compile all info needed and sometimes Tommy does something like that right before the draft.

  59. 59 Greg Richards said at 6:38 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I think we have to focus on OL more than this draft does. OL is a position that goes off the board early in real drafts so when you’re doing a mock you may have to select players that aren’t necessarily BPA on the board. People doing mocks tend to just grab the best value, but I don’t think that reflects how the real draft will go.

  60. 60 scratcherk said at 8:07 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Would like one of those third round picks on the ol

  61. 61 Media Mike said at 8:10 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I could swap out Nassib for Joe Haeg and be very happy.

  62. 62 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:46 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah I hate taking Nassib over a OL

  63. 63 CaliEaglesFan said at 3:30 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    You read my mind. I always seem to agree with your thoughts whether on here or twitter.

  64. 64 FairOaks said at 6:11 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah, we need OL more. We have a 2016 starting need, possibly two 2017 starting needs (one perhaps being a tackle), and depth issues. I think that is why Tommy might be interested in a trade-back which nets a second rounder… should be able to get a good additional player. We do have a lot of picks but most are rounds 5-7 — an additional high pick could help quite a bit more.

    I’m just not sure I want that to be at the expense of a real difference-maker at #8. And the QB is somewhat of a crapshoot there.

  65. 65 Johnnydeagle said at 6:45 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Speculation we might move up to 1. If so, isn’t Tunsil the best choice?

  66. 66 Media Mike said at 7:16 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    We’d only be moving up that far for a QB. It doesn’t make sense to do that from 8 for a position of lesser value.

  67. 67 Johnnydeagle said at 7:42 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I disagree. Tunsil is considered one of the top three or four players in this draft, and could solidify the left tackle position for more than a decade. He’s listed as the first pick in most mock drafts due to the fact that he is one of the closest to a sure thing in this draft.

  68. 68 Media Mike said at 7:44 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    To move from 8 to 1 would cost 1600 points in addition to pick 8. I think Tunsil is every bit as good as you say, but I can’t justify that level of opportunity cost for a position that Lane Johnson is schedule to be playing sooner rather than later.

  69. 69 Johnnydeagle said at 7:53 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    But you can justify reaching for a QB that isn’t ranked nearly as high as they are being slotted in mock drafts.They are developmental QB’s and everyone thinks they need to sit and learn their first year or two. You can get a developmental QB or two in later rounds. If the QB is the guy they want, than that’s the risk they are willing to take. Tunsil should be a plug and play starter for more than a decade. Keep Johnson at RT. The trenches are where you win and lose games.

  70. 70 Media Mike said at 7:55 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Can I justify it? No. Will they? Probably only for a QB. I agree the trenches are important, but I don’t think they’d logically pay that price to move up for an o-lineman.

    I happen to think them trading up any higher than 5 or 6 simply won’t happy due to the lack of ammo, so this entire convo is probably dead end conjecture.

  71. 71 Johnnydeagle said at 8:14 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Coach Doug Pederson: said “I Don’t Know About Drafting A QB At No. 8”. Doubtful they would move up for one after that comment.

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 8:18 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Thank you for the link. That could also mean that he’s not sure that the QB he wants would be there at 8 and taking a different one wouldn’t be worth it.

  73. 73 Johnnydeagle said at 9:11 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I didn’t get that impression, but it is a possibility. He referred to a drafted QB as the third QB.

  74. 74 daveH said at 11:11 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Im not sure coach pederson is recognized as a football genious so it’s pretty scary having him decide how much of the franchise to mortgage and to trust his draft call .. im worried

  75. 75 A_T_G said at 11:15 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    The irony of misspelling genius…priceless.

  76. 76 daveH said at 7:00 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Fat fingers half blind on a bus eating chicken wings anyone ?

  77. 77 daveH said at 7:02 PM on March 28th, 2016:


  78. 78 A_T_G said at 11:14 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    “I Don’t Know About Drafting A QB At No. 8, the guy we want would be gone by then if we don’t go get him.”

    Maybe something like that?

  79. 79 BlindChow said at 11:32 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Eric Fisher was considered one of the top three or four players in his draft, too.

  80. 80 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:45 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    The Jags are rumored to be trying to trade Joekel and he was as “can’t miss” as it gets.,… I always thought the fisher hype was ridiculous, but Joekel struggles have surprised me

  81. 81 Anders said at 5:02 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Joe Thomas has really helped that Browns franchise right?

    You only move up that high for a QB and the reason the Titans aint picking Goff is because of Mariota

  82. 82 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:03 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Stop devaluing positions… You need Talent at as many positions as possible. But yes it’s crazy to trade multiple top picks for a tackle or any prospect as far as I’m concerned

  83. 83 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:44 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Tunsil is considered a Top PROSPECT, not a top player…
    I like the kids talent just like everyone, but I loved Greg Robinsons upside too and the Rams are still waiting on him to validate the selection
    Trading multiple top picks for any prospect is a bad idea as far as I’m concerned, it would take like 3 or 4 top 100 draft picks to move up for Tunsil, and no one is worth that IMO

  84. 84 Media Mike said at 7:19 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Odd that it isn’t listed to read without having to click over to that other place, but here are Tommy’s picks.

    First round (No.8 overall) – QB Jared Goff, Cal
    Third round (No.77 overall) – DT Javon Hargrave, South Carolina State
    Third round (No.79 overall) – DE Carl Nassib, Penn State
    Fourth round (No.100 overall) – RB Paul Perkins, UCLA
    Fifth round (No.153 overall) – WR Charone Peake, Clemson
    Fifth round (No.164 overall) – OL Caleb Benenoch, UCLA
    Sixth round (No.188 overall) – LB Steven Daniels, Boston College
    Seventh round (No.233 overall) – OL Halapoulivaati Vaitai, TCU
    Seventh round (No.251 overall) – S Tevin Carter, Utah

  85. 85 Media Mike said at 7:28 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Generally speaking:
    – Would be pumped to get Goff
    – Hargrave would add serious value to this team
    – Nassib worries me somewhat
    – Perkins was called a “poor man’s Jamaal Charles, so in my book that is a “rich man’s Barner”, so we can cut Barner, so I like the pick
    – Peake is an interesting physical talent w/ drop issues so he should fit in well here
    – Caleb is a guy I don’t know a ton about, but if he can’t block at guard we’ll have Caleb bee-atch to put with Barebre Doll and Turnstile Tobin
    – Daniels would be a fun guy to put in the LB group, he seems like he’d be a fun guy to train behind Kendricks
    – Mr Vaitai is big, but needs some NFL strength and conditioning
    – Carter seems like a good developmental prospect at safety

    So all in all………….I like getting Goff, think we’d have some good talent to ad to the team, but feel that we didn’t get better enough on the O-line.

  86. 86 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:41 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Doubt they draft a WIL LB, which is why I assume they have no interest in Zack Brown… We have KEndricks and Najee at WIL, and we don’t have two LBs for either or The LB spots, so adding a WIL makes little sense, unless it’s someone like Jack who can play all over

  87. 87 Media Mike said at 7:47 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    And in reply to Tommy’s

    Round 1 Pick 8: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (C+)
    Round 4 Pick 2: Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Jatavis Brown, OLB/SS, Akron (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Aaron Green, RB, TCU (A+)

  88. 88 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 7:54 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    love that Aaron Green pick

  89. 89 Media Mike said at 7:55 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Thank you. I need an ABB (anybody but Barner) approach to RB depth on this team.

  90. 90 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 8:21 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    LOL. I don’t mind him as a 3rd running back

  91. 91 Media Mike said at 10:10 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I do. His inclusion on the roster last year was undermining of the entire concept of the best 53 players earning their spot on the roster.

  92. 92 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 10:19 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Cooper, Austin and Murray received the bulk of my hate last season.

  93. 93 Media Mike said at 10:20 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Cooper and Austin for sure with me. Barner has been perpetual for the last two seasons. This year’s focus will be on whoever starts at guard opposite Brooks, Kendricks, Kelce, and Huff.

  94. 94 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 10:26 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Murray put the nail in the coffin on the season with that fumble.

    Matthews, Randle, Agholor and Givens. Then add in who ever we draft. I think Huff is a camp trade

  95. 95 RogerPodacter said at 2:14 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    whats your opinion on Monongai (sp?) he didn’t get much action in the preseason last year, but i thought he looked better than Barner, for sure.

  96. 96 Media Mike said at 2:23 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I’d agree he looked better than Barner. I hope he gets a shot in camp this year. I also wonder if Tucker can recover from his injury last year in order to be given a shot.

  97. 97 Bert's Bells said at 11:33 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Why is that odd? I’m sure the traffic to the other site helps Mr. Lawlor with Howie’s good graces.

  98. 98 Sean Stott said at 7:56 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I don’t really follow NCAA football, let alone Pac-12, but a coworker said that Goff was a whiny baby. ??

  99. 99 Media Mike said at 7:57 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    First I’ve head of that. The human feminine hygiene product is supposed to be Connor Cook.

  100. 100 Aaron said at 8:31 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    what happened to eagles game balls

  101. 101 Jason said at 11:42 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Always like Tommy’s thoughtful mock drafts, and this is no exception. I think waiting for Goff at 8 is a sensible aspiration and expectation. Signs point to Wenzel going before Goff and likely to the Browns at #2. Barring a trade up, that would leave the Niners as the only other likely rival to draft a QB and hopefully between Kaepernick somehow staying with SF and/or Kelly’s QB hand size obsession, Goff slips to #8. I would pick Goff at 8 but I’m not sure he’s worth additional resources to move up to grab him. If Goff does not last, then I would go Hargreaves then Stanley in priority.

    My only quibble with Tommy’s mock is similar to Greg Richards below. I think we have to go with OL help earlier. An additional DT in the third is good, but DE has better depth than DT and OL, and I would wait later for a flyer on an edge rusher. I’m counting Marcus Smith as worth getting a look as a fourth DE in the rotation and bumping DE below DT and OL for priority.

    There should be a very good guard to draft and challenge for a starting job in the third round. If we don’t get our OT of the future in round one, we should get our guard of the present in round two, barring some ridiculous BPA that slips into Round 3.

    Rest of the mock draft is really good, per Tommy’s usual.

  102. 102 Rob Jarratt said at 8:02 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I still don’t agree with any QB being taken in the first round by the Eagles. If Goff and Wentz were sure-fire bets, yes, but they are not Mariotta and Winston. Why sign both Bradford and Daniel and then target another QB in the first round? There are other more pressing needs to be addressed, such as OL, CB, DL and LB, IMO.

    I favor a trade-down to secure a later 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder, and then draft at QB prospect anywhere from 3 to 5.

    This is so tiring and we have a month plus to go, but it’s what we do as pathetic Eagles’ fans. I meant rabid, but whatever. And, when it’s over, some of us will gloat, while others will scream in anguish. Can’t wait for OTA’s. Remember how Agh’s was killing it without the pads? We might even draft another Stanford player who will be behind the learning curve all season long, because he couldn’t attend OTA’s (see Ertz).

  103. 103 CaliEaglesFan said at 3:29 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I see where you are going with that mock, but I can’t get behind not selecting an offensive lineman until near the end of round 5. I like Goff, Perkins and Hargrave (although he’s raw). Peake is an interesting HWS that I haven’t watched enough of. Vaiti could possibly be a good back-up RT and possibly developed into an eventual starter. I can’t really comment on Carter due to only watching him a couple times. He caught my eye with a couple picks in the Las Vegas bowl though.

    This mock doesn’t really get me excited, but its solid.

  104. 104 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 6:09 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I like Charone and Perkins as picks, but I think an OL should be taken with one of those 3rds

  105. 105 Media Mike said at 6:52 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Interesting list of guys still left. I’m not sure if any fit here, but I’d love Jahri Evans on a one year deal to hold down the fort until a draft pick was ready to take over as our starting guard.

  106. 106 Greg Richards said at 8:06 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I think we need to bring in FA options at LB. We’re really thin there. There’s not much left in FA unfortunately. Zach Brown is probably the best bet there.

    We could also use another option to compete for the 3rd safety. I do think that if we draft a CB high, say Hargreaves in Round 1, that some of the guys currently listed as CBs will be in the safety mix.

  107. 107 Media Mike said at 8:07 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    That makes sense.

  108. 108 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:21 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Zack brown? no more WIL LB… We need a backup SAM and a backup MIKE
    Tulloch would be nice, but I don’t know if he is ready to sign with a team that gives him no chance to start

  109. 109 Greg Richards said at 11:26 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Zach Brown played WLB in the 4-3 and ILB in the 3-4. He’s 6-1, 248 pounds. He has the size and athleticism to play at MLB or SLB. I’m not sure if he was ever the signal caller of the D so MLB may be problematic from that perspective.

  110. 110 anon said at 9:51 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    need DT as well

  111. 111 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:51 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    DT is the biggest immediate defensive need. This player will need to be ready to contribute to the rotation week 1, where as any other defensive Need wjll only see the field if a starter gets hurt

  112. 112 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:58 AM on March 28th, 2016:



    “outside CB is The Only potential immediate starting need”


  113. 113 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:01 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Listen Donkey… OUTSIDE CB is a NEED because smart teams address a NEED a year before you throw him on the field via the draft… So CB is a blatant starting need for 2017, so if we are smart, we will draft him now.
    Where as unless starters get hurt, DT is the one NEED who will have to contribute week 1 to the rotation…. If a starter gets hurt, that is a friggin DEPTH NEED!
    Clear enough for you to comprehend? We NEED to add Talent ever, but per also have to prioritize

  114. 114 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:04 AM on March 28th, 2016:



  115. 115 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:06 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Lol hee Haw, Hee Haw

  116. 116 Greg Richards said at 11:24 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Curry is going to be the nickel DT. You need a guy to spell Cox but he’s not going to play a significant amount of snaps.

  117. 117 Greg Richards said at 11:23 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I’d sign a vet at the 1-year minimum. With the draft so deep at DT this year, I’m not committing significant resources to a FA DT.

  118. 118 Donald Kalinowski said at 8:49 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Or maybe Amini Silatolu on a 1 year deal at the league minimum. Or Stefen Wisniewski, he’s still a free agent.

  119. 119 Media Mike said at 10:31 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Wisniewski would be an upgrade over Kelce!

  120. 120 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:34 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Stop it

  121. 121 Media Mike said at 10:35 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    No. Kelce needs to prove he’s not shot.

  122. 122 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:36 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah that doesn’t mean you throw him in the trash before he does or not… I dig the Barner hate, but I try to keep the talk somewhat realistic, and replacing Kelce now simply isn’t reality no matter how much he pissed ME and You off last year

  123. 123 Media Mike said at 10:37 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Again, that’s fair. I just want the team to be looking at how to upgrade from Kelce ASAP.

  124. 124 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:41 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Upgrade means Improvement, and Ill take improvement just about anywhere I can get it, so i hear you brother… Feel friggin weird to have Starting Safety as one of our most set positions after all these years

  125. 125 Rambo said at 9:52 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Can’t wait to see them play together this season.

  126. 126 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:30 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I wish we had any idea about what we have at backup center. Fuck if I know if Barrett Jones or Josh Andrews can play or not if called upon…

  127. 127 Media Mike said at 10:31 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    How about we use Donald’s idea and sign Wisniewski……….then Kecle would be the backup center.

  128. 128 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:33 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah I can assure you Kelce isnt going to the bench no matter how much you hate him… I would have to know what we have in Barett Jones and Josh Andrews to have any idea whether we have to invest in a backup… I have NO IDEA what we have or don’t have in them… Barrett isn’t a kid anymore, how do I know that he hasn’t grow into a credible backup center or not? Wth do I know about what Josh andrews can or can’t do?

  129. 129 Media Mike said at 10:34 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Kelce needs to man the F up and block somebody this year. And/or not snap the ball into oblivion for no reason other than in infantile lack of focus.

  130. 130 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:35 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    That’s fine, but no matter what you think, he will be the starting center in September as long as he is healthy…. Shit im not thrilled with how he played either, just trying to be realistic

  131. 131 Media Mike said at 10:35 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I agree that will also be the situation, but I’m hopeful the draft a possible 2017 replacement for him.

  132. 132 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:39 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Sure would feel much better if we were able to draft a kid who can be a credible LG AND Center… That would definitely be ideal..
    But if we can’t get a kid with that Type of versatility, I wonder where they would prioritize adding a pure center? I really have no idea how they will see it….. Kelce has another yeàr like last season, and I can promise you I will whip out a freshly sharpened Pitchfork, but that’s premature at this moment.

  133. 133 Greg Richards said at 11:22 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Nah, Kelce could still start. Wisniewski can play LG.

  134. 134 MattE said at 1:34 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    My old boss is friends with his family… i too would be all for it lol.

  135. 135 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 7:51 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Round 1 Pick 12 (N.O.): Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida (A)
    Round 2 Pick 16 (N.O.): Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech (A)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina (A)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Kentrell Brothers, ILB, Missouri (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 3 (DAL): Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA (B)
    Round 4 Pick 8 (CHI): Kolby Listenbee, WR, TCU (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 18 (IND): Bronson Kaufusi, DE/OLB, Brigham Young (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 14 (DAL): Brandon Allen, QB, Arkansas (C)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Stephane Nembot, OT, Colorado (F)
    Round 7 Pick 30: KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame (A+)

  136. 136 Media Mike said at 7:58 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    FYI, if you’re 7th round tackle can’t block I’ll be calling it Stephanie Fembot.

  137. 137 Greg Richards said at 8:17 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Would be a good pick. If things don’t work at OT, you could always convert it to cheerleader.

  138. 138 MattE said at 1:33 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    ….or into a (Canadian) fireman.

  139. 139 Rob Jarratt said at 8:06 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    YES!!! See my post below, Will. However, I don’t believe Hargreaves lasts that long.

  140. 140 scratcherk said at 9:17 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    With the way Hack is shooting himself in the foot, I wonder if we could wait for him with our 4th round pick?

  141. 141 Rambo said at 10:13 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I don’t want a qb with a bullet in his foot in any round.

  142. 142 Media Mike said at 10:15 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Putting bullets into yourself will get you suspended every time. I can thing of a certain felonious NYG WR who found that out.

  143. 143 Rambo said at 10:25 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Before that incident he really had a shot at being great.

  144. 144 MattE said at 1:18 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    ….just like thousands of other prospects.

  145. 145 Rambo said at 3:26 PM on March 28th, 2016:


  146. 146 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:35 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    When it comes to The defense, outside CB is The Only potential immediate starting need, and even that isn’t a desperate need with nolan and Leodis. I HOPE we find one, but we could get away without it, especially since if we draft one, Id prefer benching him his rookie year, I hate rookie CB’s as much as I hate rookie QB.
    Besides CB, there are no other posituon on defense where we have an immediate need at a starting position…. So from there, the next Biggest Need is a backup for Cox who can pair with cox as interior pass rushers on 3rd down….we need Backup LBs and Safeties, but those players will sit The bench unless starters get hurt, where as our DT Need ISNT a starter, but it’s someone who will need to be part of The rotation week one, so while technically it’s not a Starting Need, A backup 3tec DT is our biggest Immediate Need on defense..
    We currently only have one credible backup LB, Najee who backs up KEndricks at WIL… We still need a backup for Hicks and Bradham, but if we are lucky and they stay healthy, we won’t have to throw the rookie LB into the fire, where as we need a DT who can be part of the rotation Day 1, so while it may not seem that way, DT is one of our biggest immediate needs on the team….and the DT has to add interior pass rush, he can’t just be another in stuffer who can’t play on 3rd down. Probably could use a backup safet as well
    DT, and then outside CB are our biggest immediate needs on defense, but we could use depth just about everywhere on Defense accept for WIL LB. MIKE and SAM LB are our next biggest Depth Needs
    LG, RT, #6 WR and RB are our bigest Offensive needs.. Might need a Backup center, no idea what we have on the bench at center
    DT, CB, Strongside LB, Middle LB are our biggest defensive needs

  147. 147 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:38 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    At CB they have Carroll, Rowe, Leodis, and Jacory Sheppard. LB is a bigger need. I’m not a big fan of Kendricks and he’s had injury issues his whole career. Hicks has had injury issues as well. Bradham is a sort of an unknown. There’s really no depth behind those guys. You can’t even count on those 3 in the long term.

  148. 148 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:42 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Kemdricks is starting this year..Schwartz named him as one of the guys who were held back the most by last years defensive scheme, and named Kendricks and Curry as the guys who he plans on “taking the handcuffs off of”
    KEndricks is going to start, and his backup is the ONLY position that is already filled at LB… We will add LB, but I’d bet you it will be a SAM or MIKE before its a WIL!!!
    Cb is a NEED, why? Because smart teams forsee a future need ahead of time and draft a replacement at least 1 year before we have to call on him to start, nolan and Leodis are signed as bandaids
    CB and DT are the biggest immediate needs, and we NEED to add depth just about everywhere

  149. 149 Tumtum said at 11:41 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Strange how the scheme last year held Kendricks back, yet he was still able to consistently ALWAYS over-run plays.

    Was it to simple so he was always a step ahead, and unable to actually tackle the guy where he was? Did it hold his arms down when he tried to tackle? Did it force him to bite so hard on minor PAs that he could do nothing but stand there like a rube afterward?

    I have been a big fan of Kendricks in the past, but man-oh-man. He was worse than Ernie Simms last year. I still really like him and expect him to bounce back. I just hate that anyone would make an excuse for his performance last season.

  150. 150 Media Mike said at 2:59 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    He’s f-ing maddening. WAY too many missed plays. Can’t cover anybody taller than a 6th grader. The San Diego game of 2013 is still haunting me.

  151. 151 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 9:42 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I thought Bradham is the guy who hasn’t missed a game.

  152. 152 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:43 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Bradham, Kemdricks, Hicks all missed time because of injuries

  153. 153 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 9:44 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Then its Randle who hasn’t missed a game. I just knew one of the new guys hasn’t missed time

  154. 154 James said at 9:45 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Its Brandon Brooks.

  155. 155 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:45 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah randle

  156. 156 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:53 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I don’t know too much about Bradham which is why I said he’s an unknown.

  157. 157 Tumtum said at 11:39 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    He looked like a very solid starter under Schwartz the last time.

  158. 158 Tumtum said at 11:38 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Going into this next season, even if Leodis isn’t starting, I feel fine there. If both our guys repeat how they played last year that unit will actually be a bit of a strength. Sure Noland is no world beater, but he was probably the best guy since Asante outside of Rowe (followed by Byron). So in terms of what we have had in the past I feel pretty darn ok there.

    Just for reference in case anyone doesn’t know my feeling on our CBs. I was actually kind of okay with Cary Williams as a starter for us. Probably due to PTSD of Nnamdi and DRC, but that’s where I am.

  159. 159 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:52 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Nick Fairley you fucking whore. He just signed with the Saints

  160. 160 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:53 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah, he was NEVER realistic for us

  161. 161 Greg Richards said at 11:21 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    More creditable reporters than the ones have connected him to the Eagles. Aaron Wilson reported that we had made him an offer and Wilson is one of the best guys out there.

  162. 162 Tumtum said at 11:34 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I know I think far more highly of the Eagles than the rest of the world. Still… money being equal, looking at the Saints D compared to ours, I am baffled he would choose that team over ours. Sure they have Brees. Unfortunately that is close to all they have. That defense is an atrocity. I guess he would rather start on an atrocious D and try to be like the -hottest ugly chick left when the bar closes- next off-season, rather than playing a part-time role for us and not getting the credit he thinks he deserves.

    Screw em!

  163. 163 Greg Richards said at 11:39 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    He has a whole lot better of a chance of starting in NO, the financial offer may have been better than PHI’s and it’s closer to where he grew up. Combined, understandable why he’d choose NO.

  164. 164 Tumtum said at 11:51 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Assuming the money wasn’t much different and the basic premise is that he is trying to prove something, I still don’t get it. It would probably be much easier to shine in a 5-15 snap a game role on this defense, than it will be on the defense. I always assumed he starts there and backs up here.

    In our scheme, in a back up role, I could see him getting double digit sacks (a la Darren Howard). The one part of his game team really want to see, in order to give him big money. For my money, I’m gonna line up next to Fletch 5 times a game rather than beating my face into double teams 30 times a game. He isn’t that guy. Sad for him that he thinks he is.

  165. 165 mksp said at 4:01 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah it’s pretty obvious that there was real interest in Fairley from the Eagles’ side.

  166. 166 MattE said at 1:16 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Whore and Saints in the same breath. Nice.

  167. 167 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:01 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    jared Cook Could be a very nice addition for the Packers, but I haven’t seen the contract #’s, and he damn sure ISNT worth what the Rams were paying him… Could be a nice weapon for Rodgers that was lacking a TE last year

  168. 168 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:06 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    1yr… 3.65mil…. Not a bad deal at all for GB

  169. 169 MattE said at 1:03 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Rodgers was lacking a OL last year more importantly.

    If Finley didn’t get hurt so much he would be a top-5 TE currently.

    ….they need Jordy back, i didn’t believe GB would have dropped off so badly after Jordy went down

  170. 170 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:18 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I dunno man, while his line could certainly have been better, even when he had time, I didn’t see much of Rodgers “making his garbage WRs better” like some fans think every good QB should be able to do…. Seemed like they had a lot of issues, a Fat starting RB, some OL issues, average at best WRs (Cobb wasn’t good enough), and they haven’t had a TE since Finley got hurt… Jeff Janis was like one of their most promisng weapons. they NEED to be better in more than a few areas, even a great QB can’t solve too many holes.

  171. 171 MattE said at 1:25 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    you can throw me in the “Rodgers should make bad WR’s better” category…. it’s odd though because I actually liken his style of play to Cam/Luck (more mobile out of pocket magic) more so than Manning/Brady (statues in pocket)…. this season has made me realize Rodgers is NOT Manning/Brady, but more of “+2.5 seconds” extend play kind of guy (Cam/Luck/Big Ben)… every GB game i watched it seemed like Rodgers would get impatient and try to force something, however i think he would be the best candidate to play like Manning/Brady (statue) and make bad WR’s better, but his style of play does not dictate that, so I am assuming that Rodgers is going to play MUCH more in the pocket this season than before. I think this year Rodgers will play more Classical Style Pocket Passer if McCarthy is any kind of coach.

  172. 172 SteveH said at 4:44 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Doesn’t Finley have the dropsies? I thought you couldn’t trust him to catch anything.

  173. 173 Greg Richards said at 11:40 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Laquon Treadwell ran a 4.65 at Mississippi’s pro day.

  174. 174 Insomniac said at 11:47 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    That’s not good.

    A pro day 4.65 is like a 4.75 at the combine

  175. 175 ACViking said at 12:12 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Anquan Boldin – 4.71 in the 40.

    AQ’s probably the exception that proves the rule (i.e., WRs who run 4.65+ 40s don’t do particularly well in the NFL).

  176. 176 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 12:29 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    True. If he’s smooth enough in his routes and dominant at the catch point he might be ok. He wont be Dez 2.0 like people were making him out to be a few months ago

  177. 177 Insomniac said at 12:33 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Jarvis Landry as well ran slow as hell. Treadwell will still probably be a high pick but his stock undoubtedly slipped.

  178. 178 ACViking said at 12:46 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I . . .

    Excellent point.

    Landry ran a 4.77.

    But he plays at 4.5, it seems.

  179. 179 GermanEagle said at 1:01 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    ..and in the slot, where speed doesn’t as much matter as when playing outside.

  180. 180 Insomniac said at 1:32 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    It helps that he catches anything and is tough as hell too.

  181. 181 Insomniac said at 1:43 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I still wish he was an Eagle over Jordan Matthews. That tough ass hell sticky handed WR is something that we needed for our QBs.

  182. 182 Anders said at 5:30 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Landry ran that on a pulled hamstring

  183. 183 ACViking said at 5:32 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    no wonder he plays at 4.5

  184. 184 BreakinAnklez said at 2:41 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I don’t think it slips him that much. No one was expecting him to run fast. Not the same as a guy who looks fast running slow. He looks slow and ran slow.

  185. 185 peteike said at 11:43 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    And Allen Robinson ran 4.6

  186. 186 ACViking said at 11:49 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    GR . . .

    Any thoughts on how that impacts LT?

  187. 187 Greg Richards said at 12:47 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Brandon Boykin signed a 1-year deal with Carolina.

  188. 188 MattE said at 1:01 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    …if you can’t start might as well try to get a ring somewhere.

  189. 189 Media Mike said at 2:21 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    He got in a year late for that effort.

  190. 190 GermanEagle said at 4:38 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Give Cam more weapons and the Panthers should be in the final four again.

  191. 191 Media Mike said at 4:39 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Hopefully not.

  192. 192 unhinged said at 7:51 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Cam had a career year, no question, but his division will be better I think, and division rivals are the best indicators of how to play an offense. If some DC decides that Greg Olson is going to be hit on every Carolina offense snap, he may be less of a game-changer in the 4th quarter. And It’s not as if Newton isn’t going to be playing with a target on his back. I think if Carolina goes to the SB this coming season, Rivera AND Newton will have to be reassessed.

  193. 193 Media Mike said at 7:53 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    How about when they regress?

  194. 194 unhinged said at 4:57 PM on March 29th, 2016:

    I was kinda suggesting that, barring some luck and unknown resolve, they will regress some. I like Riverboat Ron, but they’re going to get everyone’s A game, and the more you show, the tougher the grind gets. I expect them to make the playoffs, but not to be favorites.

  195. 195 BreakinAnklez said at 10:19 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Olson has been the go to in that offense for 3-4 years now. When Benjamin went down, everyone knew they needed to stop Olson and couldn’t. Benjamin will be back. Funchess should improve.

  196. 196 GermanEagle said at 4:37 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Was thinking the same.

  197. 197 SteveH said at 4:43 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Shame, I was hoping we would snag him again.

  198. 198 GermanEagle said at 12:59 PM on March 28th, 2016:


  199. 199 scratcherk said at 1:00 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    so you’re saying trade up?

  200. 200 GermanEagle said at 4:37 PM on March 28th, 2016:


  201. 201 Ankerstjernen said at 5:21 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Oh, I see, you want to trade down for the extra second rounder. Gotya.

  202. 202 GermanEagle said at 5:08 PM on March 29th, 2016:


  203. 203 ACViking said at 1:06 PM on March 28th, 2016:


  204. 204 GermanEagle said at 4:37 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Achtug, Achtung!

  205. 205 MattE said at 1:11 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    After the Chip Kelly experience I don’t blame Sam Bradford for lack of development in St Louis anymore…. he really did just get drafted into a turrible situation…. LeSean/DeSean both had career altering situations due to some asinine coach…. in retrospect LeSean would have been our franchise leading RB probably though my lifetime (maybe?) and DeSean had a shot being all time leading receiver ( i hated DeSeans antics, but had a soft spot for undersized guys because I am one)…. just realizing that players talents really DO NOT MATTER unless that talent is fostered correctly….. it honestly has changed my view of draft prospects and how QB-Prospect#1 may be a fit for Team-X @ pick #2, but not Team-Y @pick #4…………….like my old business-101 professor would ALWAYS say you need 3 things to be successful.. MONEY/TIMING/LUCK.

  206. 206 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:22 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Think Contuinity is also very important to development. Even if St Louis offense wasn’t a mess, his lack of continuity because of reoccurring injuries I would think would still have Hampered his development. That gets compounded by the offensive crap that he had with the Rams,… For SAM to Ever stand a chance in this league, he needs like a 3-5 year window of relatively good health(like last year) and schemes/coach continuity,,… He can’t afford another 8 month injury

  207. 207 MattE said at 1:28 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    The Carson Palmer mold could fit very well, problem is that Carson has had success in the NFL with his initial team, Bradford has not had success outside of his rookie year, ala RG3…. i just hate Jeff Fischer and I can’t say that enough lol.

    ..actually good example too: Carson & Arians…. i think offensive philosophy of Arians and attributes of Carson lined up to accelerate progress 10 fold in Arizona.

  208. 208 anon said at 6:06 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    yup. Lots of Qbs are victims of bad coaches and vice versa. Gotta get the guy with the right skills for your system.

  209. 209 ACViking said at 3:08 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    “After the Chip Kelly experience I don’t blame Sam Bradford for lack of development in St Louis anymore. . . . ”

    Bradford, Foles, and Sanchez had their best seasons — by far — under Kelly.

    Now Bradford’s returning to a more conventional offense, like the ones he ran with the Rams.

  210. 210 Greg Richards said at 2:36 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Middlekauf reporting Eagles working out Goff today. Someone who’s on first-class with Howie and Pederson is saying Howie has spent the whole flight watching film on Goff.

    Kyle Scott

    HAPPENING NOW: Flying First Class with Doug Pederson and Howie Roseman to San Francisco (to…

  211. 211 Media Mike said at 2:47 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Creepy, but informative.

  212. 212 Insomniac said at 2:57 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Maybe they were craving good chinese and mexican food too?

  213. 213 Sean Stott said at 4:37 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    East coast Chinese is just as good, but the Mexican food out here in california is far superior.

  214. 214 Insomniac said at 5:24 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I have to disagree. I’ve ate at numerous authentic places in San Francisco and it was always better than the stuff Phiily/NY has to offer.

    Most good places in San Francisco don’t use MSG and I can’t say the same for places in NY/Philly.

  215. 215 Sean Stott said at 5:46 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    But MSG is 100% healthy and it makes food taste better. See: Doritos, Funyuns

  216. 216 Insomniac said at 5:54 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I don’t have anything against MSG but the locals do. Locals ran restaurants out of business if they found out that they used MSG.

  217. 217 anon said at 5:58 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    yeah authentic chinese is the way to go, w/out all that sugar, msg, extra corn starch, etc.

    However, after living in NYC and SF. NYC chinese food is way better than SF.

  218. 218 Insomniac said at 6:12 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I guess it comes down to taste. Then again I never do the ordering and my family knows most owners so they always get the original recipe instead of the watered down stuff.

  219. 219 GermanEagle said at 4:36 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I would hope that Howie spends some more time watching film on Goff before making an educated decision. How long was the flight again?! lol

  220. 220 anon said at 5:48 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Story notes howie watching film, Doug watching a movie.

  221. 221 Insomniac said at 5:52 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    for real?

  222. 222 anon said at 5:53 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    yeah story said howie watching film for 4 hours, douggy p. a history movie, did spend a little time working on a depth chart.

  223. 223 Insomniac said at 5:53 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    queue stories about how Howie has too much power.

  224. 224 SteveH said at 4:43 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I mean, I would hope he would be spending a lot of time reviewing film on Goff… Doesn’t really tell us anything, I imagine Howie’s watched extensive film on all the top prospects at this point.

  225. 225 A_T_G said at 7:19 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    This report makes me much happier than reading that Howie was watching The Program and taking notes. “Team building activity: Schuylkill Expressway at night?”

  226. 226 Media Mike said at 7:36 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    I have a few guys I suggest try that out.

  227. 227 dval437 said at 8:26 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    your mention of Jim Schwartz being an excellent coach reminded me of this question. With the benefit of hindsight have you changed your opinion of Billy Davis? Does he even have a job?

  228. 228 Sean Stott said at 9:27 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    It’s kind of hard to evaluate Billy Davis when we know how much of a control freak CK was. I doubt Davis got here and said “we have to run a 2-gap 3-4”.

  229. 229 BlindChow said at 11:17 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    It was consistent with his performance at other NFL teams…

  230. 230 anon said at 10:06 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Yeah i think he’s LB’s coach in Jax or something like that.

  231. 231 Greg Richards said at 10:11 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Nope, he’s unemployed at the moment. At least by an NFL team.

  232. 232 Greg Richards said at 9:13 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Alex Marvez

    1m1 minute ago

    .@LSUsports LB Deion Jones @bigdreams_Bo told @Gil_Brandt & me on @SiriusXMNFL he has pre-draft visits w/ @Ravens @Eagles @Colts & @nyjets



  233. 233 BlindChow said at 11:16 PM on March 28th, 2016:

    Would it kill Marvez to use fewer @’s?

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