The Cleaner
Posted: March 7th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 896 Comments »Monday’s Eagles news can best be summed up as “Clean-up on aisle 3”.
Howie Roseman pulled off a couple of impressive moves. He dealt CB Byron Maxwell and LB Kiko Alonso to the Dolphins for a draft pick (or picks). He then later dealt RB DeMarco Murray to the Titans for a draft pick. We don’t know the exact terms of the deals, but the Eagles got rid of players they didn’t want and created some extra cap room. We’ll see what kind of picks they got.
The deals aren’t official until Wednesday, and even then physicals have to be passed. Keep your fingers crossed.
Some people see this as an anti-Chip Kelly thing. I don’t think that’s true at all. Howie just rewarded Sam Bradford with an extension and good money. Jordan Hicks and Eric Rowe aren’t going anywhere. The team still has high hopes for Nelson Agholor. The Eagles could still bring back Walter Thurmond. Chip Kelly brought in some good players as GM. Those guys will stick around.
Kelly brought in some other players that were expensive and didn’t pan out so well. The Eagles are dumping the guys that they think don’t fit the new schemes or are worth the money/hassle.
The Eagles now have holes at RB, LB and CB. The team has been linked to LB Tahir Whitehead of the Lions. That now makes a ton of sense. He would come here and be the SAM. Mychal Kendricks would be the WIL and Hicks would play the middle.
Alonso was great in 2013, got hurt the next year and then was highly erratic last year. His knee was either bothering him physically or affecting his confidence. The Eagles saw this previously. Stewart Bradley tore his ACL and was just never the same guy. He never fully trusted his knee again. I hope Alonso recovers, but last season wasn’t all that encouraging. There is also this nugget.
We’ve heard whispers that Jim Schwartz thought Kiko Alonso was a “box of rocks” in their time together in Buffalo. https://t.co/cHWb0yJIYb
— RosterWatch (@RosterWatch) February 11, 2016
That note is almost a month old. And it might be right. Here’s one from today.
Have heard Kiko struggles with mental processing and Schwartz has first hand experience there. https://t.co/Vy9wpmfOyW
— Dan Hatman (@Dan_Hatman) March 7, 2016
Sure doesn’t seem like anyone even wanted to take a chance on seeing if Alonso could turn things around.
RB is a really big mystery now. Murray was going to be the workhorse. Matt Forte would be an ideal scheme fit, but I don’t see the Eagles throwing big money his way. Alfred Morris? CJ Anderson? Is the team interested in a RB in the draft? Ezekiel Elliot is the top RB, but might not make it to pick 13. There are interesting mid-round targets. I would love Kenneth Dixon from La Tech, but I’m not sure he makes it to the Eagles pick in the 3rd round.
There was a report that the Eagles were also shopping Ryan Mathews. That may strictly be a financial move. I never heard a bad word about him, beyond durability. Getting rid of him and Murray does make it feel like the team has some other RB targeted.
As to Murray…
Two sources say @DeMarcoMurray has been pressuring #Eagles to trade him since end of season. Relationship contentious even after Chip Kelly
— Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) March 8, 2016
Murray never wanted to leave Dallas. He took the money, but I think regretted it almost immediately. I’m glad to be rid of him. Things did not go well last year, but he also didn’t handle adversity very well. For the money he was being paid I think he should have handled the situation better.
CB is a complicated subject. The Eagles still have Rowe, Jaylen Watkins, JaCorey Shepard and Denzel Rice in place. That is young talent, but highly unproven talent. They have shown some interest in bringing back Nolan Carroll. And there is this.
Re: impending UFA #Chargers CB Patrick Robinson, I’m told the #Giants, #Eagles, #Bears, #Dolphins among teams showing preliminary interest.
— Josina Anderson (@JosinaAnderson) March 7, 2016
The draft has a lot of good CB prospects as well.
Maxwell wasn’t worth the money. The team was desperate last year and rolled the dice on him, hoping he would be solid. Maxwell started poorly. He did get better, but obviously not to the point where the current regime felt he was worth the price. I’m also not sure how good of a fit Maxwell is in the new scheme. I still don’t have a great feel for what Schwartz wants from his CBs.
Robinson is only 5-11, 190, but ran 4.4 at his Pro Day. Maxwell was 202 pounds coming out of college and ran 4.52. Clearly size isn’t the critical factor it was under Kelly.
The goal of all this was to get rid of players who no longer fit the schemes and what the team is trying to do. That also clears up some cap space and will add some draft picks.
Howie Roseman made good moves today. The team isn’t better, but it is better off. The additional resources will help the team to make moves which fit what the new coaches want.
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Howie is doing what he does best. Great job at getting rid of expensive players who either don’t want to be Eagles, or just don’t play very well. The fact he gets anything (draft picks), and Murry doesn’t go back to Dallas is just bonus. Really excited to see this Eagles team in September!
“The team isn’t better, but it is better off” just about sums it up for me. Hope for 1 or 2 hits in free agency and 2-4 hits in the draft.
I don’t even think this team is really that much worse in a meaningful way.
Only replacing Maxwell at CB might be somewhat challenging. The on-field performance and production of Murray and Alonso was so minimal that just about anything the Eagles bring in to replace them should be slightly better.
Is it better? No. But I don’t know that it’s appreciably worse. Maxwell was at best a league average CB last year, despite getting paid like an elite one, and Murray (also highly paid) and Alonso, when they were on the field, were well below average. I think you could plug in much cheaper middling free agent types and get comparable production.
I probably should have clarified – I do not believe trading away Murray, Maxwell, or Kiko makes the eagles that much worse in that they are losing production, but that we are worse at this point in time, because we don’t have replacements right now as it stands.
Okay. I suppose it’s a good thing that we don’t have to play any games at this point in time then? I’m sure the team will take steps to fill the holes in the roster that were created by these trades. I don’t think it’s an accident that they happened on the eve of free agency.
remember when we only needed a safety and guard? Good times…
when was that?
yesterday.
lol
That was so long ago, how do you remember that?
meh…we were going to need a CB and RB next year after we cut Maxwell and Murray anyways. Might as well get draft picks now. And, I wasn’t sold on Alonso as a SLB or even a starter anywhere next year either. No certainty that he’d be serviceable again.
Who cares if we were sold on him. He was on his rookie deal.
So because he was cheap (cheap and absolutely broken as a football player who played atrociously for the entirety of the 2015 season) there’s no compensation that would make it sensible to trade him. Bryce Brown was cheap and on his rookie deal too…Howie was able to trade him for a 4th round pick, which he then turned into a third, which he then traded for Darren Sproles. I guess we shouldn’t have been so stupid by trading away our cheap rookie RB.
I’m just assuming the compensation was nill. I’m sure that will bite me in the ass as it did when I assumed we got the first round pick swap for Bradford (still hated it).
If I knew for sure the player was never going to be anything I would get rid of him for anything. Your assumption that I think he is no shot of being good is wrong though.
I hear what you’re saying, Tum. And, just to be clear I don’t think that there is no shot of him returning to form and ever being good again. I just did not see anything from him last year that suggested that such a return to form was likely. Kiko was quite possibly the worst starting LB in the NFL last year, and even worse than that, he didn’t improve as the year went along. Further, his problems were multiple. He had physical problems with his knee that has now been surgically repaired twice and then was partially torn again this year. With the way ligaments just don’t heal on their own there has to be some long term concerns that that ACL is just a ticking time bomb at this point and will eventually need a third surgery. He seemed to be way too skinny, light and weak to be a 3 down LB in the NFL. He also had mental issues. One, he seemed to have no faith whatsoever in the knee and played incredibly scared once he came back mid season. He seemed to be constantly trying to protect the knee, like he was just waiting for it to go on him again. Two, he seemed lost on the field when it came to executing the scheme properly.
There’s a lot of players that never fully recover from ACL tears just due to the physical issues it causes. And, there’s plenty of players that never get over the mental hurdles involved (see Stewart Bradley). So there’s a lot of projection and really blind hope that Kiko will ever be the player he was his rookie season. There’s just not much to point to from his past season to say, ah there’s the old Kiko…he’s starting to round into form and be the player he once was.
The last time Kiko played well was not last year, not the year before, but 3 whole seasons ago. Certainly he could regain that form, but that is far from a guarantee and I’d argue that him ever achieving that level of play again is much less likely than him not.
So while there was no reason to get rid of him since he basically cost next to nothing, there also wasn’t any reason you absolutely had to keep him. He was basically a lottery ticket that you pay $1 for that might win you a million bucks. You might luck out and he could come back a totally different player and if he doesn’t you’re only out $1. But if someone ever offers you $100 for your $1 lottery ticket, it makes sense to take the $100 since there’s a low likelihood of that ticket ever amounting to anything.
Further complicating the issue was that he’s not really a good fit for SLB and we already have a starting MLB and WLB. So you’re further decreasing the chance that he succeeds because you’re not putting him in an optimal position to play to his strengths. On top of all that, because his play was so bad last year, you’re not going to want to go into the season just penciling him in as the starter without signing some competent competition incase he doesn’t drastically improve.
This makes things even more complicated. If you sign someone as a starter then you’re making Kiko a backup and further limiting the chance for him to succeed. If you sign a bargain basement journeyman you risk having Kiko look just as bad as he did last year and having a substandard SLB as a starter on your defense. Given how poorly he played last year, I think you’d almost have to sign someone capable of starting. So you’re going to further decrease his chance of success and you’re forced into a position where even if he does succeed you’ve sunk, at least, borderline starter money into a SLB that essentially becomes a backup and you’ve wasted some of the benefits of his low cap number. Plus you’ll have to turn around and extend him with a decent sized contract, while already having his backup making low end starter money. (Kiko becomes a RFA after this season http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kiko-alonso-moved-buffalo-bills-171503471.html;_ylt=A0LEVi3NAN9WAG0AqRMPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMHZ0NG9yBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM3BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg–)
Lot of complication to just see if Kiko will ever play at a high level again. It’s certainly not unreasonable I think to decide (if the compensation is worthwhile) to trade him while signing a true SLB that actually fits the scheme we want to run.
It just seems like you feel we gave up something likely to be great for nothing, when in essence I feel more like we gave up a low cost lotto ticket that had very little value outside of the small hope that it might hit big for something that potentially has a better chance of paying off (if the draft compensation isn’t commically low – if they traded him for a conditional 7th…then yes, I agree with you and everything I said above is meaningless. If that’s the case I’d rather just see what happens with him in year 2) But, nonetheless we didn’t lose anything tangible (he was atrocious last year) all we lost was the small hope that he might turn it all around.
I wouldn’t say I felt it was likely. In my head it is probably in the neighborhood of a 30% chance in a return to 85% of what he showed in his rookie season (which would still be better than maybe any LB I have ever really been old enough to enjoy on the Eagles).
To use your analogy. To me, he was a $1 dollar lottery ticket, scratch off. Then, in my head (assuming compensations again..), we gave him away for a quarter. Sure we will put that quarter in the bank and earn a guaranteed .005% interest. I would rather just gamble the dollar and either lose it or win it.
I hear ya.
Things change quickly in the NFL.
You didn’t think we needed a starting-caliber SAM or RB yesterday?
lol
Umm no.
That’s funny, then.
Because we didn’t have a starting caliber RB, or a starting caliber SAM yesterday.
It was a sarcastic comment 😉 ….
Superbowl winning CB? Pssshhh who needs em? League leading rusher??? For what?! Defensive rookie of the year?? Fluke!! Let’s release Cox, because why not?
Carry Williams was a SB winning CB when he came here how that work out?
I’m ok with what Cary Williams did here. Considering the scheme especially.
OK thank you I no longer need to read your post lol
Oh whew. You are really hard to communicate with.
You really can’t write. Take a writing class.
Um read my avatar? I’m here to give quick thoughts about a team i follow daily and you are here to correct homework
And Alonzo wasn’t D rookie of the year either
That SB was won on the back of Byron Maxwell. He got the MVP. There were zero contributions from any other humans to the Seahawks that year.
Murray proved that he will play at a high level and not cause a stink even if he’s unhappy.
2014 status means everything. Donald Drumpf? He’ll never run for president beyond a quick early ego pr campaing that flails out before an election year.
A Philly winter with more 60+ degree days than snow storms? Ha, yeah right.
These are all known facts. Am I wrong?
I can’t tell if you are trolling, or if I am just unable to convey thought to people. Am I just bad at writing, or do I give the reader to much credit…. I’ll probably never know.
In this case I wasn’t intending to troll you at all, but I was indeed being sarcastic.
Football is the ultimate team sport – that’s not just a cliché. So to say “a superbowl winning CB” – that’s implying that Byron Maxwell deserves a significant chunk of the credit for Seattle winning that superbowl – while it’s possible 1 player deserves a big chunk of credit – not him in this case. So you loosely using that phrase to make your point is silly.
“League leading rusher” – you were suggesting that Murray is today what he was 2 years ago on different team. RBs expire very quickly, he was used/overused/abused in Dallas, and he’s a year removed and proven selfish poor behavior that hurt the team past that now. But you suggest that his accomplishments years ago are 100% relevant about his performance/value now. Not so.
Same with Alonzo – suggesting that he is now what he was that year – and he wasn’t even rookie of the year… well again that’s silly. I hope for his sake that he returns to form, but he certainly didn’t last year.
So yeah, depending on your usage of the word, maybe I was tolling you.
So you took my sarcastic hyperbole seriously. 10-4.
Hook line and sinker.
If we keep Carroll, we still only need that
Eagles only starting 2 LB’s?
You were confident that Kiko was a starting caliber SLB in a 4-3 after what you saw from him last year? Because, I sure wasn’t. Kiko was a full on lottery ticket that we were all hoping would regain his form from 3 seasons prior, but there was no (absolutely no) evidence from his game tape last year that would lead anyone to believe that was more likely than not.
I think we need to see what the returns are on these trades before we know if they are good or bad.
Maxwell, Murray and Alonso had talent and experience. Yes, Maxwell and Murray were overpaid and Alonso was headed into the final year of his rookie deal without a clear picture of what type quality player he could be, but if it is just draft picks I’m not sure these are more than cap moves.
Cap moves have value, but there is no guarantee the Eagles turn those draft picks into equal or better talent. They’ll be cheaper talent for a while, sure, but they may not be anywhere near as good. Roseman has a very mixed record of drafting and, once again, the famous personnel expert Lurie stated they would be hiring is still nowhere to be found.
The other issue with this was the whole premise behind re-signing Bradford, but also Jenkins and Celek along with retaining Peters etc. was that the Eagles were not a rebuilding team and would compete seriously in 2016. This definitely runs counter to that premise because we just opened gaping holes at RB, LB and CB. Plus there are rumors Matthews is also on the block.
We’ll have to see what the details are for these trades and how things pan out. It would be great too if Lurie would finally have the nerve to stand up publicly and state Roseman is the guy in charge as everyone already knows and stop with the obfuscation.
How much could we possibly get for these bad contracts? Not expecting a lot.
Well, again, like we saw with Chip Kelly, if you’re not expecting to get back enough then do NOT do the trades. Pretty simple, right? Moving these guys out just for the sake of moving them out is short sighted IMO and not different than what Kelly did with Mathis for example. We thought that was wrong, right? Then why are these automatically good? They are not. We’ll have to see what happens before we judge.
You are either forgetting or ignoring the cap space that has been created by moving out Murray and Maxwell, Gary, although your other points are well taken. With the added draft picks, the draft King (pun intended), Roseman, has chips (pun not intended) to make trades to move up and down the draft board.
I think these moves were made for the potential long term benefits, not the immediate ones. Obviously, we need to see the compensation and What the Eagles do in the draft before we can judge. Till then I am reserving judgement, but I do feel more hopeful than I did a few weeks ago.
They just accelerated what they were going to do anyway by one year – but instead of outright cutting them next year, they are getting some kind of compensation in return. Let’s not make it seem like Murray was some world-beater. Reports have indicated that he continued to be unhappy here, even after Chip Kelly was axed. And, when he was here, he was slow as molasses. They took a huge gamble on Maxwell and the return was poor. They took a huge gamble by trading LeSean for Kiko and again, the return was poor. I don’t understand, it’s not like we were trading away productive and valuable assets.
If we land a mid-tier CB and the LB mentioned above, we’ll still have more cap space than before, and have equal talent. A mid-tier CB is all Maxwell was, and he was taking up too much space with that contract.
Maxwell was proven. To be a C+, B- player. There are plenty of those on the market this year, as opposed to last year.
Murray and Alonso were being paid for past performance. Expecting that past performance to reassert itself was a risk. Now the risk is gone, and we can move forward with less risky assets at those positions.
You can complain all you want, but picks aside, the team is better off, especially with cap room headed into a FA season with a glut of safeties, CBs, and LBs. It will get really interesting if the picks are worth anything.
If a CB of Maxwell’s ilk were so easy to find he wouldn’t of gotten 70 million.
He would not have gotten that contract this year, because there are a lot of good CBs on the market. We overpaid because we needed him then, and there was upside. There’s no upside now; we know what he is. And that is not worth the money.
Not worth the money but it wasn’t a back breaker. If they find a better FA and pay him less or equal I’ll be happy. Won’t happen.
Maxwells contract made him the third highest paid eagle this year and would make him the second highest next year and most likely into the future. Cap hits in excess of $10M every remaining year of the deal is definitely a back breaker when you’re talking about someone that was outplayed by Nolan Carroll for about 20% of that.
Opposing QBs had something like a 100.7 QB rating throwing at Maxwell last season. I realize that’s an imperfect statistic, but still.. don’t confuse getting paid like a top 5 player with playing like a top 5 player.
Don’t confuse my objection for his dismissal as thinking he was a great player. I have just been watching this team for a couple years and I have two words for you:
Bradley Fletcher.
Cost/benefit analysis. Maxwell was actually a downgrade from Cary Williams statistically (opposing QBs had an 89.5 QB rating throwing at Williams the year before), and he cost twice as much. It just doesn’t make sense to pay a league average CB (at best) elite level money. By taking the cap hit from trading him now, we get cap space in 2017 and going forward that will allow us to spend that money on players who are actually elite, like Fletcher Cox.
How many times did they throw at max in comparison to williams though? That stat, while it is nice for your argument, doesn’t hold up to the eye test.
By the way, if you read any of my comments in the past I was against getting rid of Williams. Though it does seem like he is actually falling off of his extremely mediocre play.
Honestly, I didn’t feel there was much of a difference between Maxwell and Williams, eye test-wise. Both were up-and-down, playing well in some games and getting torched in others. Williams played hard but was mouthy with a penchant for stupid penalties and disruptive sniping through the media. Maxwell wasn’t as outright cancerous but appeared disinterested at times and hardly lived up to his billing as a CB capable of setting a physical tone or punishing opposing WRs. Six of one, a half dozen of the other.
Again, it comes down to bang for buck. Maxwell wasn’t the worst CB in the world last year, but he wasn’t the kind of guy who was worth an eight figure cap hit either.
Believe it or not I wanted Williams to stay last year. Wasn’t overly concerned about it (as I’m not about this, got me venting done). In retrospect it worked out for the best because Rowe got to shine.
Who is complaining? All I said was we have to wait and see what the returns are on these trades and how things pan out. That is hardly a radical or silly approach. To herald these moves as great without any context is pretty crazy IMO. I understand the down sides of these players, but how are they going to be replaced? As we saw with Kelly, that is the crucial question.
Just want to add that Alonso had more than a year left on his deal.
Any guy off the street provides better production than Alonso and Murray did last season
Maxwell’s the only real loss from a production standpoint, but $5m is worth it, if we get anything more than a little in return.
OK cool. Put me in coach
Eh, I think you’re being really naive and glib. Your statement is not only blatantly wrong that anyone off the street could replace Murray and Alonso, but it highlights this fallacy that finding comparable replacements for established talent is easy when, in fact, it is very difficult.
You’re right; it is hard to find a comparable replacement for Kiko and DeMarco.
After all, if they weren’t named “Kiko Alonso” and “DeMarco Murray,” they’d be out of the league based on their 2015 play, not being traded in return for assets.
If they hired a personnel guy he would of chopped Roseman’s hand off when he went for the phone on this one.
These trades are good if we get nothing in return, bu hopefully we get a little something.
I agree with the wait and see approach, I think it’s obvious in fact seeing as we know nothing about compensation for these trades, who we will or will not sign in FA, and who we will draft.
But I’m so against the sentiment (and you’re not alone in saying this” – “It would be great too if Lurie would finally have the nerve to stand up publicly and state Roseman is the guy in charge as everyone already knows and stop with the obfuscation.”… you said it more coherently and elegantly than most who do. BUT – your whole premise here is “what the team says and how the label front office people – that matters. A lot.
I say it matters – it matters the same exact percentage as snaps Murray will take for the Eagles next season – ZERO. Words (from NFL front offices/coaches/PR teams” are worthless. ALWAYS. Labels are just that.
Just sayin, I don’t give a rat’s A** if they call Howie “vice Donald Clinton fluffer of tennis operations slash general scavenger.” I don’t care if they call Dougie P “summer intern” and Lurie “The temp”.
Words smwords
It matters because it is important to know where the accountability rests if we do not succeed and where the kudos should go if we do succeed. Good organizations are not scared to makes these positions clear and stand behind them.
Accountability is a critical facet of any organization; if it is clear who is in charge and who is making the decisions that accountability is transparent and open.
If those things are purposefully kept unclear, like with the Eagles, it damages the credibility of the organization with the fans/media and makes them look scared of being honest and open. Lurie talks about collaboration which is all fine & dandy, but in reality there is always a final decision maker. Lurie is trying to protect his people by “sharing” the accountability, but again all it achieves is making him look bad and the organization weak.
Add in Lurie’s repeated insistence that they will hire a legit personnel person to “help” with the collaborative process and one gets the sense Lurie feels he needs to somehow justify putting Roseman back in charge from a PR standpoint and really is not serious about hiring anyone legit. All he has to do is state Roseman is the final decision maker as everyone already knows anyway and the hubbub from the fans/media will die on that issue. Keeping the situation fuzzy does no one any good IMO.
I hear you but I see I differently. You sound to me like a nice, smart guy, but one who took the media bait – hook line, and sinker.
Either way, success or no success for the eagles, the philly fan base will whine, bitc*, moan, and blame Howie, Jeffrie et. al. Fact
Period.
The only difference, is instead of just beating a dead horse, right now you are beating a dead horse with one hand and splitting one of its dead little hairs with the other hand.
Net difference, nothing at all of significance.
Its not media bait. If it did not matter, why would people fight tooth and nail to get final say and be the one making the decisions? Why would Chip have done his power play? Why would Roseman have been jockeying for position to get Chip moved out?
So he could “collaborate” with others on those final decisions? Sure, I’ll sell you a bridge in Brooklyn as well.
Oh I agree it matters to Howie, Chip (in the past, here at least), Doug, Jeff, etc….
But it does NOT make a difference to us, the fans.
See you just shifted your argument big time, to – it does matter to the people inside. But we were discussing the effect on people on the outside. Big difference.
Disagree, it does matter to fans since these guys are the ones making the final decisions for our team. You bet I’ll be ready to hold them accountable if they fail again – I can give up my tickets, stop buying merchandise and all kinds of other things to make my disappointment with them clear. That is why we are fans. It absolutely matters.
Fair enough. I’ll agree to disagree. But if you – one fan – boycott them financially. Guess what – they’ll be fine.
Do you really honestly believe that the fans have that much influence? We’ve been one of the harshest, most consistently negative fanbases known to earth, and the Eagles are thriving financially. We have no sway. That’s a fact.
Fans do WANT to know. I agree. But they can’t do anything with that info. It doesn’t change a lick.
So we need a starter at SLB, CB, S, and OL(2). Tall order.
And at RB. We can’t count on Ryan Matthews as a full time work horse with his injury history. So we need to replace 6 starters and if DP wants a full back then we need to add 7 starters. That will be a huge challenge in one offseason.
Mathews may not be a full time work horse but he’s still the starter.
Shake a tree; RB falls out.
FBs cost nothing.
As for RB, we don’t necessarily need a bell cow back. You need someone who can give you 100-150 as 1A.
calling it now hargreaves at 13….if still there.fills a need , is top 20 talent and is a florida guy ….thats a bonafide roseman pick right there
I wonder if it’s really true that Demarco wanted out. What a little bitch if it’s true. He was so soft last year. Like warm butter.
I believe both parties wanted to mutually part ways. Glad we found a trade partner.
Clearly he did, because he had to redo his contract for less money to make it happen. If he didn’t want to go he could have just refused to rework his deal. Then other teams wouldn’t be willing to trade for him and the Eagles wouldn’t be able to cut him since he’s cost more to cut than keep.
Didn’t take less money. But did restructure.
He didn’t take less guaranteed money. But, I’m willing to bet some of his future base salaries were decreased.
Agreed. I was hoping he’d be a willing participant this year. I get why he didn’t want to play if Chip’s sweepstakes, but I figured this year would be better.
Your wondering about the guy who bitched to the owner after a huge win vs. Pats? That’s the guy you’re wondering if he wanted out?
This has all the hallmarks of an agent-found trade. i.e., the Eagles probably gave his agent permission to find a trade partner with expected compensation, and the agent found one (and probably renegotiated the contract to make it happen). If so… yes he really wanted out.
Commando reference?
“Erratic” seems like a strong word.
It implies he made a single positive play after the Atlanta game.
And your comment implies he made a single positive play in the Atlanta game actually his worst game of a bad season
Aisle 3… I see you Mr. Lawlor and I approve.
I think these moves are less about scheme fit than they are about bad contracts and locker room fit… #Culture!
“The team isn’t better but it is better off”.
We don’t even know what they got. My guess is that they couldn’t get a 3rd round pick for the entire haul. Sold low on everyone. I’ll wait to hear what that haul is to really bury this. Not real happy right this second.
I think you need to step away from the negative juice for a bit and take a look at what really happened. Regardless of draft pick compensation, unloading those contracts was a GOOD thing. We can finally pay for a mid-level starting CB with mid-level starting CB money. If we had to unload Steward Bradley Part 2 in order to make that happen, so be it. And Murray’s production can easily be replaced. Considering it was piss poor. And it can be done with a fraction of his contract. So we can, you know, afford guys to block and such.
Only we weren’t in cap hell before. So now we are going to go big next week and the cycle continues.
Cap hell comes from overpaying players so you can’t make moves for correctly-paid players. We were in the bottom 3rd of the league in cap space during a FA period that has a lot of what we need. Cap hell is averted by dropping shitty contracts like Murray’s and Maxwell’s. So no, the cycle is broken, because we were never in any cycle of cap hell until Chip held the purse strings.
I think he doesn’t file the Eagles
Meant the cycle of bringing in FAs that don’t work out, and then easily punch their ticket out of town.
I don’t think we’re going to really go wild starting Wednesday. We just really need top tier guy(s) on O-line. The other moves (LB depth, CB, S, RB) can all be modest / short term dudes.
LB depth? Kendricks – Hicks and ?? who’s the other starter?
I don’t know. Still haven’t been able to collect myself and think about it rationally. Sort of feel like it would be a waste of money to sign any top talent at all now.
I really felt like a bounce back year by all 3 of those guys was pretty much essential for any success this season.
Why do you think that? If anything, they made some of these moves to get cap flexibility this year and more importantly next year.
Maybe they spend big on an OL because they have such a need there but I don’t see them spending big time on multiple FAs.
I don’t really… the tea leaves just read that it is now a possibility, which it wasn’t yesterday. Basically being negative and assuming the badness will snowball.
I’m a football fan. Im just over reacting after something I don’t like. Let me have this!
Steward Bradley??? I’m “on board”…
I am honestly not going to miss any of these players. All are very easily replaced for a fraction of the cost.
If they were going to repeat last year’s production, sure. Especially Demarco. I am more concerned about the other two though.
So you wanted a skinny armed lb who couldn’t tackle a slow over paid cb that wouldn’t tackle and a cry baby rb that was slow and afraid to get talked at 8m a year?
At cb resign carol for considerably less then maxwell him and Rowe improvement over maxwell and Rowe. And moneysaved .At lb cost a little more but actually get scheme fit and production sign whitehead FA improvement at lb . Rb sick with the the we have saved money and at least equal production or pick a mid round rb in draft money saved that can be spent on other needs ie… Safety and O.L. plus the picks we gain .so tell me again your problem with these moves ?
I don’t assume we can plug the holes as easily as you just painted. For instance I think Max is far better than Carroll.
I like Ryan Mattews more than Murray long before we ever even thought about signing either one. I just know that both of them are made of glass and both can be damn solid RBs.
All 3 unperformed last year. I saw that. I also saw what they did before. Since they were already here I would rather role the dice on a chance for regression to mean rather than forecasting something that another player has never done.
I understand that impulse, but they freed up $9 mil for this year, $20 mil / year in 2017-19. Even if the draft pick return is minimal, we can still replace that talent.
20 mil over 3 years in future cap dollars really doesn’t concern me, unless of course we have a franchise QB that needs signed by then. We could of gotten out from underneath both of those contracts if they didn’t work out.
Just reminds me a lot of the Orioles and Jake Arrieta.
Howie got a fourth round pick for Bryce Brown. It’s not going to be a kings ransom but I doubt we’re going to feel fleeced either.
I am very eager to see it, and did forget about that. If we get a 3rd + cup of soup, my emotions will at least level.
The only loss is Maxwell since they have to sign an adequate CB to replace him.
Rappaport and others mentioned about how Murray had issues about staying here including about how he might be used this season. Roseman basically was almost forced to dump him to avoid issues this year. Replacing Murray’s production won’t be hard next year either even if he has a slightly better year in Tennessee.
Eagles got rid of two guys who besides their outsized paychecks also gave questionable effort. Difficult enough for a new, first-time head coach let alone to deal with two veterans like Maxwell and Murray.
Darren Sproles did say there would be problems if all 3 RBs were back… Problem solved,,
Boom. This wins the Eagles internet today.
You would of thought that if there were any peep of them having issues in the locker room last season, the media would of swarmed like piranhas. I didn’t hear anything. Only now, everyone says they weren’t good in the locker room.
If you cut ever CB that gave questionable effort on tackling there would be like 5 left in the league.
These are contracts that have already had immense amounts of money paid. These are talented players that have found success elsewhere (some more than others). I am willing to give them a mulligan. Don’t really care what they personally want to do.
The first house I bought had a large satellite dish on a pole cemented into the ground. I was dragging my feet to cut it off, cut it up, and then haul it to the scrap yard, all of which would cost me time and money. Instead, I listed it on eBay on a whim. Some guy came to my house, removed it, and then paid me money.
Howie just did that. Twice.
Did you buy the house or barter for it with luscious furs and gunpowder?
Nice. You’d be a fearsome man with glass beads in hand.
Once the compensation is released I could totally flip flop.
I guess my thing is the analogy doesn’t fit for me. Not ready for one year to be the gauge for a career with any of those guys.
Thank you for bringing some sense here
They are rebuilding which is good, need to pay Fletcher monster deal and still have money to play with and more picks. What’s not to like. I’m no Howie fan but great job, nobody and I mean nobody thought it was possible to move Demarco. Of course it took him wanting out but who wants an unhappy player who won’t buy in and playing for a check. Keeping Sam only thing I dislike but that was still logical move and contract. Draft a QB first and I’m stoked. Can’t wait to hear what they got
If you’d assume Fletcher Cox is going to get 6 year / $96 mil; he fits with ease long term now.
Yesterday’s deals really cleaned up the 2017, 2018 and 2019 cap situations which chip had muddied up
Just putting this out there now. My proclamations of this being a playoff team were not final. Don’t judge me poorly for February predictions!
Did we move out of the NFC East?
Allbright tweeted that we swap firsts with the Dolphins and give them our fourth rounder. He then deleted the tweet saying he wasn’t supposed to divulge the information… May be all we have until Wednesday :/
What’s their pick?
They got the 8th pick. So the swap is worth around a 2nd.
I’m OK b with that be nice to get their 5th for our 4th
That doesn’t sound quite right, that’s kiko and maxwell and our 4th to move up from 13 to 8. Maybe it’s possible but I don’t think so.
He has now deleted it but he said we got the 4th as well
Ah, I read Nick C’s post as we were giving our 4th, not taking theirs.
I believe we are giving up our 4th. The only people that commented were saying #13 and our 4 for #8.
I didn’t hear it until after he deleted it. My apologies. If we get their fourth and swap firsts, I will be ecstatic
I thought it was that we were sending Miami a 4th which makes sense since they have so little draft picks
No way in hell Howie goes into this draft without picks in both the second and 4th rounds which would be the case if that rumor is true.
Just a reminder – that it was reported the Eagles GOT a 2nd in the Bradford trade and it turned out to be the complete opposite.
And has since been tweeted by Jeff Mclane that Albright’s info was incorrect. Haven’t people learned after last year not to count chickens before they are hatched in this BS legal tampering period?
If we swapped into Miami’s pick at 8, that is a good start. I just don’t think we’ll be able to get a premium QB unless we go to 6.
yeah but 8 to 6 is a 3rd/4th round pick, which is very doable, considering the 4 ‘elite’ talents have probably gone in Tunsil/Ramsey/Bosa/Jack. Ravens get an extra draft pick at little to no opportunity cost since they know a QB goes at no.6 which they are not taking and Buckner is a psuedo lock in that situation (2 QB’s + 4 elite talents off the board) to SF. Can get Stanley/Hargreaves or whoever they wanted at 6 at 8 plus assets.
I like me some Wentz especially since we can give him 1-2 years developing and adjusting to NFL game.
Any QB we take gets a full year to sit behind Bradford.
And I’m with you with Wentz. I just hope he’s not gone.
I’d be shocked if Miami gave up an 8.
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What if they gave up a second so the Eagles can move into the 2nd round. Even then — that’s a lot to give up for Max/Kiko.
If we trade up to #8, im hoping it won’t be a QB… We can get a baller at #8..
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Heck if we add a few picks and get to #8, hopefully we move up on draft day for Ramey… That would be such a boss move
I don’t think there’s a QB in this draft who worth drafting top 10. If we in fact got their first rounder, I’d want somebody like Ronnie Stanley.
Just on a talent for talent basis I don’t see how replacing the “contribution” from Alonso is going to be a big deal. Also, we should be able to get Murray and Maxwell type contribution from far less expensive players.
Maxwell – Mabye. Murray and Alonso last year – Yeah since the bar is so low.
I think, in hindsight, it’s also clear that Murray isn’t a good fit for an Andy Rei…er, I mean Doug Pederson offense. Pretty soon, we’ll all be pining for a power/short yardage RB again.
Exactly. Alonso was a total liability last year. Sure he was a nice cheap lottery ticket that could have rebounded, but if he doesn’t that was addition by subtraction. I was a lot more worried about relying on him to start next year (especially out of position as a SLB) than most people. If we ended up getting better trade value for him it makes sense to move him now rather than hoping that he’ll suddenly bounce back from looking like completely damaged goods both physically and mentally.
DeMarco was atrocious last year. I would have been all for cutting him this year if his cap hit wouldn’t have been even higher than keeping him. The guy looked shot last year. He was slow. He was weak. He didn’t break tackles. He didn’t run hard. He gave questionable effort. And, he was a malcontent. I felt like we were going to be forced to keep someone that we would have been better off cutting. We were paying a 29 year old RB who averaged just over 3 yards a carry last year and who was clearly outplayed by three other RBs on our roster, $9M. Pulling off a trade is a small miracle and cause for celebration. Another addition by subtraction.
Maxwell was adequate. But, he was grossly overpaid. $10M cap hits throughout the remainder of his contract were simply untenable. Especially for a guy that was outplayed by Nolan Carroll who costs 1/4 as much and a rookie. Sure this does weaken our secondary a bit in the short term and decreases our depth at CB, but this was another terrible contract that I thought we would be unfortunately stuck with until we could cut him next year. Furthermore, if we kept Maxwell, we most likely would not pay to resign Carroll. Starters would be Maxwell and Rowe with Shepherd/draft pick/FA in the slot. Instead we’ll now likely have Rowe and Carroll as starters (and remember Carroll outplayed Maxwell last year) with the same depth situation. Only we’ll have an extra $5M or so to sign a starting guard or safety or other position of need.
I’m ecstatic over what Howie pulled off yesterday. And, I have no idea why some people are crying on these boards like we just lost our three best players.
The cleaner? I would describe Howie more as a Chipper Shreader.
remember Fargo? picture the female officer asking Howie “is that your friend in the wood chippah?” and Howie replying,” No that’s Chip Kelly.”
Nice Mr. Mom reference.
This should help the new head coach a bunch… Whiners and Slough off artists will not be tolerated.
Howie picks up a couple bargaining chips come draft time. Remarkable moves.
I turned on WIP this morning, wondering how they would find there way through this. Their most hated GM got rid of their most hated players (it turned out Angelo now things Murray will be good) and Eskin called in.
He said Maxwell missed curfew for 10 games last year. He also said everyone knew he pulled himself out of the Washington game and others (didn’t say which) because the receivers were making him look bad.
Murray’s initial rift with Chip came from the fact that he expected Murray to practice, where the Cowboys allowed him to ride the bike whenever he chose.
The fact that Howie was able to get rid of these guys and avoid paying them is astounding. If he is able to get picks for them, even a guitar pick, he should be given permission to use some of that ammo to trade in front of the 49ers and steal the player Chip wants. (We all know Howie will have a sticky note in the war room listing out who Chip is going to pick.)
For someone who seemed to put so much value on character and culture, Chip sure signed some a-holes who didn’t fit that culture, if this is true.
And didn’t enforce the standards for his own guys that he demanded of the guys who predated him.
Kelly’s sounding pathological.
I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to steal any player Chip wants, given his poor history of drafting players…
Next year, when Kelly has full personnel control, we can trade the players to him for their top three picks.
Especially with chips history of wanting to drastically reach for playërs
Wow, I wasn’t very high on Maxwell but this is a whole new level. Hell I would have strait up cut Maxwell if I couldn’t find a trade partner just to get rid of him.
LOVE LOVE LOVE getting rid of Demarco. TEN could condition the hell out of that pick and it’s still a great trade.
More mixed feelings on the Miami trade. On one hand most of the cap space we cleared by moving these three will have to be used to get replacements. I wasn’t as down on Maxwell and Kiko as most people are/were. Kiko costs nothing and if he’s healthy has alot of upside. Maxwell is at least a good (albeit paid like a great) CB.
I think the biggest boon in trading Maxwell is that it costs 4.9 million in cap space, as opposed to 16.3 to keep him and cut him after the season (9.7 cap hit plus 6.6 in dead money). So it’s a net gain of 11.4 million in cap space.
The pick compensation is going to be very interesting. I think a swap of firsts (worth a 3rd) and a day 3 pick coming our way sounds about right.
I agree. I’d also be happy with swapping of those firsts. Do you think we’re targeting someone specific with that move? If so, who?
I think QB is much more in play. I think Stanley is possibly there. I don’t think it’s a specific player they’ve got circled. I think it would be about getting into a position to make a move for a QB.
Jared f’ing Goff! Do it
Got me over here like
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Nice ponytail.
It could be they have a player targeted. But if it’s true that we gave up a 4th… already lacking a 2nd… I wonder if we have better positioned ourselves for a trade-down to accumulate more picks. If there is a team desperate for a QB that might be a good range to trade up to.
I’ve heard Howie say in interviews that he absolutely hates not having a pick in a given round. I even remember him justifying a trade down back when Reid was here by saying that they thought it was essential to pick up a pick in the following round because they didn’t have one so they traded down to make sure they got one. If find it very hard to believe that we were so desperate to get rid of both Maxwell and Alonso (or so desperate to move up in the first round long before we even know who will be available) that he’d position himself in his first draft back in control to go without a pick in both the 2nd and 4th rounds. Add in the fact that these trades open up even more needs and depth issues that must be addressed and I’d be shocked if we gave up our 4th and didn’t end up with more picks than we started with.
I don’t think we would move up to 8 just to move back. If you want more picks it would make more sense just to take them from Miami as opposed to moving up and then hoping to arbitrage pick 8.
If a QB is there we should take him.
If there is a guy you really want then of course. If that guy isn’t there but a team wants to pay a lot to move up then you take it. Number 8 is much better positioned for that scenario than 13.
If the rumor is true that we traded away a 4th rounder then we have even fewer picks while creating more holes to fill. Which again would point to trading back.
Like I said, if they wanted more picks they should have just got picks and not tried to arbitrage the thing.
Miami may not have been willing to give up their second or third instead.
I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that we trade down, especially if we are receiving the extra 4th as is now rumored (it was trading away that pick which made no sense for the trade to me). It’s always going to be an option — especially if there is a QB there which some other team wants and the Eagles don’t. But the Eagles may also be able to get a better player by standing pat now.
Everything helps… this move feels more like getting as much as they could for Maxwell (and Alonso as it turns out) rather than trying to trade up to target someone in particular. Even if it turns out they do draft at that spot.
Do you think it’s really worth rolling the dice on a QB? Bradford is no great shakes, but he’s here for another year and we might as well see if the last 7 games was indicative of a level of performance that can be sustained.
I love me some Ronnie Stanley. He and Lane Johnson could bring Tra/Runyan style stability to the OT position for the next decade, and one of the quickest ways to improve the performance of mediocre skill players is to build an elite OL.
Where are you playing Stanley this year? You’re going to take an OL top 10 and sit him? Cuz he aint a guard. And Peters sure as shit doesn’t seem into playing anything but LT.
And yes I absolutely aggressively try to get Goff or Wentz. Why? Because there’s a very high chance Sam does what Sam always does, we win 7 or 8 games and now we have to pay him ALOT of money or cut him and try to sell the farm to get up for a QB next year.
Do we have a young cornerstone QB? If yes awesome, if no, nothing else matters. Sure as shit not a RB (a year before a crazy deep RB class) or an OL you sit for a year.
I’d be willing to part ways with Peters, move Johnson to LT and start Stanley at RT from day one. Peters has had a great career but the end is obviously nearing for him – he wasn’t his usual self last year even when healthy, which wasn’t often. Top flight OTs are almost as hard to acquire as top flight QBs and I think Stanley has the makings of one.
As for Goff and Wentz, I’m just not sold on either of them. They both look to me like guys who’ve gotten talked up and climbed the draft board because there are almost always a few QBs drafted high in the first round even when none merit it on talent. Neither is a Newton/Luck/Mariota A-level prospect, or even in my mind a tier below that (A- if you will). They’re more like B+s – some talent for sure, but also real flaws and question marks. Look at your own endorsement of them – your first argument is not gushing about their potential, but lamenting Bradford’s lack thereof.
I agree with you that ultimately nothing matters unless you have a franchise QB. I’m just not sure there is one available in this draft, or even anyone who’s going to be better than Sam Bradford, and given that, I’m not sure I want to pass up the chance to draft an elite player at another position of need (whether that be Stanley or someone like Vernon Hargreaves).
Yayyyy we can become the Rams.
Nice snark, but you haven’t answered my question. Does either Goff or Wentz project as a true franchise QB, someone who is likely to achieve a level of NFL success greater than that of Sam Bradford?
If the answer is yes, sign me up for drafting one of them. I am far from the world’s biggest Bradford fan and having a cornerstone QB is worth far more than having a good RT. But if not (and that’s my feeling, maybe I’m wrong), I don’t see the point of using a premium asset like the #8 pick in the draft to make a lateral move from one mediocre QB to another. Opportunity cost and all that. Make an argument to me why Wentz and Goff are better prospects than, say, Ryan Tannehill, and I’ll agree with you that we should take one of them ahead of an OL.
If the stuff Eskin said this morning on WIP is true, getting rid of Maxwell was absolutely necessary.
What did he say?
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No way the Eagles will get anything worth a 3rd! As I said over and over again the Eagles will be lucky to get a 5th rounder in return…
The Dolphins obviously place value on Maxwell and Kiko, otherwise they wouldn’t have traded for them. I don’t think taking the salary alone is enough (especially because Kiko doesn’t cost shit).
Nothing “obvious” about that
We saved what 5M from trading Max? He’s worth that IMO, and Kiko I still believed in somewhat and its not like he is expensive…I hope we got something legitimate for this, not just day 3 nonsense
The word on Twitter is that we traded Maxwell/Kiko and a 4th for a 1st round swap. We get the 8th pick and they get our 13th.
Surprised the Eagles had to give up the 4th too, get no pick in return, and just to move up 5 spots in the draft.
must want to get ZEKE!!!
That’s the rumor on Twitter. Don’t know that it’s factual. It usually takes a lot to move up in the first round. Most teams have to give up a bunch of future picks.
Murray is worth like a 2044 conditional 7th though
Murray wasn’t happy here. Didn’t want to give him the chance to throw another coach under the bus. Plus, they cleared up room to be more active in free agency.
The 2044 draft? Isn’t that the one where Kiko Alonso’s kid is eligible?
We save 4.9 this year by trading Maxwell.
But we net 11.4 million in space as opposed to playing him this year and then cutting him after the season.
So it’s more about cap space in ’17.
With the cap you can’t just think about the year you’re in. These moves also have significant effects on 2017 and 2018. We’ll now have an extra $21.4M in cap space in 2017 which will allow us to sign Cox without going into cap hell. Go to overthecap.com, click on Philadelphia and then cap space and look where their projected cap space ranks in 2017 and 2018 based on current contracts. You’ll notice we are dead last. Clearing off this debts now and taking the dead money hit this year frees up a ton of money for us moving forward.
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Love these trades. Tommy- any way the eagles come out of this with a 2nd round pick (i realize murray isn’t worth it) or are we looking at all mid-late round picks? I could see Roseman bundling them on draft day and moving up. Seems like 2nd round is going to be stocked with OL talent.
No way we get a 2nd from these deals….best you can hope for is moving to 8
Which is worth pretty much a late 2nd. I have no idea how to evaluate a trade considering the dolphins are the other side of it with Mike Tannenbaum calling the shots. With rising cap and in the right scheme i think that the league would actually see some value in both Maxwell and Kiko, so i have no idea how much we will get in return.
Moving up to 8 would be tremendous value.
Not neccessarily.. You can easily get a 2nd, if you give them a 3rd, obviously THATS not much value because you aren’t gaining a pick, you are technically just moving up from your 3rd round pick..
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Not impossible at all
Yeh, im wondering what the best case scenario is. Im thinking moving up to 8 in the trade with Miami and getting a 4th from Tenessee.
That would be so so so so so damn dumb from Tennessee. Like the GM should be immediately fired level of dumb.
Gentlemen
one kind advise for you guys this morning: always keep your expectations low when trading Eagles players, especially when it comes to overpaid, disgruntled and thick players like Maxwell, Murray and Kiko.
Anything more than a 5th and conditional 7th rounder would be great.
#WinTheDay
So the Eagles apparently did this move up 5 spots in the draft. I have to think it to possibly draft a QB but winning that last meaningless game against the Giants cost them 2 spots already (#11 vs #13 pick).
Or you trade back down and acquire more picks.
That’s official? The move up?
Missing out on goff and Wentz can also prove to be a blessing in disguise…
Really surprised no one has managed to get the trade details out of the teams yet. Normally there is someone who talks, especially with the dolphins who are about as leaky as a sieve historically.
I think this might just be a great illustration of where leaks most often comes from in the NFL, the agents.
True but normally a team can butter up a beat reporter or a national guy for some better coverage on something by leaking the news (see Tom Gamble). I am shocked no one in either the Eagles or Dolphins are not trying to do that.
Allegedly, we swapped 1st round picks with Miami and gave them our 4th rounder,,
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Whether THATS true or not, your guess is as good as mine
Remember this time last year when the media was overjoyed that Howie was demoted to equipment manager. Oh how times have changed.
These things are impossible, every one in the league hates Roseman. #makephiladelphiagreatagain
There is a world of difference between making a trade/transaction and working for or with them.
I find it hard to believe that any GM is so reviled that teams refuse to talk to them. If that is the case, the team is also forced by default to get rid of that GM.
different tune today? Howie! Howie! first lets see if he can draft as well as he can wheel and deal.. but hes got it going ON thus far..
Apparently the Eagles gave Murrays agent permission to seek a trade which is what I suggested was most likely to happen last week.. That was probably an easy trade for Roseman to execute once MURRAYS agent who lives in Tennessee did all the leg work finding a trade partner and reworking the contract, still appreciate Our supreme leader Howie overseeing this waste removal..
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The miami trade allegedly was on its way to being completed for Maxwell, when Miami brought up Kiko’s name, obviously the Eagles Didnt hate that idea
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Shocked that Roseman was able to dump Murray and Maxwell a year sooner than I thought was contractually possible…I would have kept Kiko Tho, a cost friendly young LB, would have liked to see what he looked like this year before moving him. He is cheap so worst case scenario he could have been a backüp for a year if need be… Whatever, nothing to be upset about.
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Hopefully someone in the media does their job today and finds out the other half of the trade, as in, our compensation
So do you think Kiko was a freebie, throw-in type player? I’d hate to lose him that way although I’m far from devastated. Just hoping he brought some added value to the deal.
Not at all… I think Miami will have compensated us for Maxwell AND Kiko, not the throw in to get Miami to take Maxwell that some have suggested..
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I don’t think we will be showered with Riches, but I don’t think it will be some cap dump where we come away with peanuts either,.. If the deal was going to be completed for Maxwell, then there was no reason to add a “throw in” to make it happen, so I would think that Kiko wasn’t considered as a throw in, which makes sense since he is so cheap that there was no reason for HOWIE to give him away for anything…just speculating, haven’t seen anything concrete
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Roseman typically gets proper value unlike chip
Well said sir.
I don’t know if we will end up with the crazy compensation some have reported:
1) Getting the #8 pick from Miami, for our #13 and our 4th round pick..
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2) Getting the 64th pick (early round 3 from Titans) for Murray
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That seems a little too high to me, not that I wouldn’t love it..
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But at the very least, I think we will come away with a pick swap that favors us, maybe two pick swaps, and an extra pick from the Titans.. So we should have one more pick than we had 24 hours ago, and one of two of our picks swapped for better picks…maybe not a first round swap, but swapping one of our two 3rds for the Dolphins second round pick would be great. if Howei managed to swap the 5th we get from the steelers for Miamis 2nd rounder, that would really be amazing..
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The Cap Rammifications of these moves have a lot of value to us as is, but I do think that when the dust settles, we will see some improvement in our war chest of draft picks and draft positioning….. I think it will be more significant than just adding a 6th round pick or two like we would see in a pure cap dump.
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best!
With HOWIE in charge, typically he has done solid job when it comes to value. If we arent fleecing teams like the bryce Brown trade, we typically get fair value… He is certainly not like chip who pissed all over value and wanted to reach for specific players in drafts, or trade guys away without demanding proper value in return..
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Prepare for the worst under Roseman to me is like saying prepare for fair equal compensation, and hope for the best means hope for a straight Fleecing, which I certainly can’t rule out when doing Business with MIKE Tannembaum
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Prepare for the worst under Roseman is much less scary, than preparing for the worst under chip
Id be a bit disappointed if we didnt net a pick with these trades. As great as it is to move up, we could get a quality player @13. And with the holes we have we need draft picks. I’m glad we got the contracts off the books but to lose a draft pick and players just to move up 5 spots will be disappointing.
Pick 8 is a lot more valuable than 13, and if we want more assets we can trade down with someone (lets say the rams at 15) and get mid 2nd round pick back…. yes this is a trade i see Howie targeting as he attempts to delete Chip from the Eagles history books.
Technically we have to get something back in the Murray trade, but it could be a conditional 7th or something. I do wonder if moving up is more about getting a better trade-back later, though.
Matthews-Sproles-Barner wouldn’t be a bad stable of backs. Good hands.
Maybe bring in a veteran if there are questions about pass protection.
Zeke Elliot, Barner and Sproles woudnt suck either
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I guess I’m spoiled by this franchise always being able to draft great RBs..
HELL to the YES on Zeke and friends lol
He is Instant Franchise Rocket Fuel..
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He has been so good for so long, so now you start to see people getting bored with him and start to devalue him…
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It’s not every day that you can get such a polished, RB in every area. He blocks, he catches, he runs, he has speed, he can run you over.. His coach called him one of The best plays he ever coached when the ball ismt in his hands, which is a great compliment especially when everyone knows how amazing he is with the ball in his hands…
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A young Work horse rookie RB, behind a revamped OL would be great for Bradford…
However, we have a lot of work to do on this roster before we can put ourself in positipn where we can afford to spend a first round pick on a RB.
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If we fill enough immediate needs in Free agency, and are set up in the draft with more than enough picks after round 1 to be able to fill the rest of our immediate needs, I hope we give some serious consideration to drafting the next Franchise Back to be the next in our rich history of stud franchise RB’s
I know you’ve been touting him well before this year. I’d love to have him over a QB in the 1st.
I wish I liked this crop of QBs, but I just don’t see it in them…
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Picking this high, im hoping we get a serious baller at other positions..
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1) Jalen Ramsey next to Jenkins would be a dream come true. Probably would have to trade up on draft day even if we got the 8th pick from MIA
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2) Zeke Elliot, I just think he will be the Cats Meeow.. Drooling over him since last year, I’m shocked we can even talk about him today so soon after chip invested a ridiculuos amount of money in Sproles, Ryan, and Murray… Im just thrilled to even be able to consider ZEKE right now
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3) MYLES JACK!!! We need a LB now, and that kid has some serious upside
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4) Ronnie Stanley… Feel better Bout another year or two with Peters knowing we already have our future bookends on the roster
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I don’t really care too much about posituon… I care that the kid we draft will be one of the top 10 Eagles a few year from now,,, we NEED high end Talent and I’ll take it at just about any posituon with the exception of TE
Between Barner and Sproles there must have been at least 6-7 drops last year. On the wheel route in particular. However depending on how Barner looks this year, that stable wouldnt be bad. Sproles is aging and Mathews has an injury history. I think it would be prudent to draft/sign another back.
I hear that these trades really cleaned up the 2017, 2018 and 2019 cap situation.
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Roseman really is fantastic with his mastery of contracts and overseeing our Cap. In the past he is also pretty sharp at getting value in return from trades… If our supreme leader can clean up his backstabbing tendencies, and keep the drama out of Novacare for once Hopeflly we won’t repeat some past mistakes.
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There is a lot to like about Roseman being in charge… But if we are being honest, he has always been great with cap, contracts, and trade value…. We NEED Roseman to take that next step as a GM and start knocking Drafts out the park…
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Even as someone who Probably liked Roseman more than most, I hate that Lurie spit in our face, straight disrespected us, insulting our intelligence pretending that Roseman isn’t the GM.. Dissapointed that LURIE treated us the same disrespectful way that Chip treated us, hiding behind semantics to blatantly lie to us.. Why Lie, when everyone knows you are lying, and we are powerless to do anything about it anyway
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This is all a great beginning for Howie’s “second chance”…. But we won’t get out of this franchise Quicksand unless HOWIE puts together a few big drafts in a row.. Fingers crossed
agreed. GM’s need to develop just like the draft picks they choose.
Well said…All GMs make plenty of mistakes, but the good ones learn from them… Chip said a lot of bullshit, but Growth Mindset was something real we should strive for .. GMs, Coaches, scouts, rookies, veterans should all be growing and learning from their experiences good and bad…
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A Bad GM is someone who hasn’t changed at all from the GM he was 5 years ago… Roseman will make mistakes but what I like is that unlike chip who thought he was gods gift to NFL football, I do think Roseman really takes his job serious, and constantly strives to improve as a GM and talent evaluator. Hopefully he will grow enough to bring us a great era of Eagle football, however, there are some mistakes he repeated a few too many times for my liking. I have No Patience for him being a part of a dysfunctional front office/poor work environment for the 10th time… He had better learn to have strong working relationships with his co workers. Im willing to see what he can do with his “second chance”, but if his relationship with Our new coaches or front office personnel Sours, I have no patience left for That. He better keep the drama out of Novacare because he made that mistake too many times for me to overlook AGAIN!
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We can’t afford a bad draft at this poïnt in time…..what we really need is two quality drafts In a row… Hopefully LURIE standing by Howie thru so much drama ends up paying off for us and LURIE and Roseman does big things with this opportunity he was given…
Think Lurie genuinely does not want a traditional GM. Howie manages cap/extensions and team structure well (eagles always have no ‘glaring’ need in the next year going into the draft).
However as someone controlling the player evaluation process, he has got average results, which ideally you would improve upon. Think they genuinely want someone else to come in and rank and stack the boards and manage the evaluation process, then they hand it over to Howie and he executes the draft and free agency and contract extensions off the back of those evaluations.
Whatever Title they want to use is fine… But the traditional GM responsibilities/Decisions will Ultimately end up on Rosemans desk, and im fine with that, and even if I wasn’t, who cares, I have no say in it… I lost respect for how LURIE treated us, but in the end, if they put a quality product on the field they can lie to me as much they want.
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I honestly have no problems with Howie running the show. He has more hits than misses in the drafts he is responsible for, and he is great with contracts and winning trades.
RB: I’d just as soon keep Ryan Matthews, depending on the return. I have to think the Eagles want to give Barner a good shot at starting. He’s never been given a full shot, I don’t think, and he’s looked fine in his limited snaps. Or, if fine is too strong, then Worth a Longer Look.
The Tennessee and Miami deals can only be judged by the return, so we wait until Wednesday to rejoice or complain.
can Ronnie Stanley play Guard next year?
In my opinion, no. He looks the part of a tackle from day 1. I dont think you want him on the inside trying to run block. Hes gonna protect the blindside and hes goong to do it VERY well. Hes worth the pick, just dont put him at guard.
Appreciate the intell… So he is worth a top 10 pick at tackle in your opinion, but it would be better to bench him for a year instead of starting his career at Guard?
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Ideally the tackle we get can start his career at Guard, but for me that is just a cherry on top bonus, not a factor I would allow to effect the evaluation. When they evaluate a tackle prospect all that should matter is how good we think this kid can be 3 years from now at Tackle.. That’s it… I wouldn’t hold not being able to play Guard against Him… But if we are looking at two similarly graded prospects, positional versatility can be used as a tie breaker. But not being able to play Guard shouldn’t effect a tackle evaluation..
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i also don’t like letting how NFL ready a kid is to factor into draft evaluatipns.. We should never be looking at roolies to solve immediate problems. Draft the kids we think we can grow into the best player 3, 4, 5 years from now.. If the draft pick happens to prove capabke of playing as a rookie, that’s another “cherry on top” not a deal breaker..
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For example we treat MS2 like a bust because he HASNT contributed in the first two years of his career which is pretty ridiculous of us.. If MS2 ends up starting to realize his potential in yeàr 3, 4, 5, he will go on to become a quality draft pick… We can’t be short sited when it comes to draft evaluations, which is why Itsimperative that immediate NEEDS are all addressed before the draft..
I think Staley is the best pure LT in the draft. I think Tunsil is more well rounded. Staley could be nicknamed franchise saver because hes not gonna let the qb get blindsided.
Im sure Tunsil has a little higher upside… Of course realizing your full potential ISNT promised, so I would think Stanley will be better than Tunsil early on, but 4 years from now Tunsil could have passed him, but he has a ton of work to do to get there, and it’s not a guarentee
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Two recent Examples of upside vs polish:
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1) The Jags passed on Lanes Ridiculuos upside and went with a much more polished Luke Joeckel groomed to be an NFL tackle since he was a kid… Joekel was supposed to be the safest pick in the draft.. Years later, and Lane is extending to be our LT of the Future, and if im not mistaken, the Jags didn’t even pick up their 5th year on the Joeckel’s rookie contract.
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2) The Cardinals decided to pass on one of the most polished Guard prospects in years, Chance Warmack, because they went Gaga for uber athletc guard Jonathon Coopers upside, and the Cardinals still haven’t gotten ANYTHING out of Cooper to the point where Bruce Arians is kicking the tires on moving him to center as a last ditch effort to get something out of that top 10 draft blunder..
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Going with upside over polish DOESNT always pay off, but neither does playing it safe and always passing on prospects with a higher ceiling…
Good points, I agree.
You seems way higher than most on Stanley.
Like I said, I think his pass blocking is great but I wouldnt trust running anything behind him.
Trent Cole took a pay cut to stay with Colts
The ‘they didn’t know or want to be Eagles’ is the dumbest cliche as the reason to get rid of these guys.
Way too many Eagles’ fans are such over reactionary nitwits. They buried Roseman when he was brought back and now they are giving him all kinds of a
accolades for these trades.
I wasn’t a fan of bringing back Roseman for several reasons but he deserves at least 2 if not even 3 years to really let things play out. Even this offseason I want to see what the Eagles do the rest of the offseason before getting that judgemental on what Roseman did.
What do you really expect when fans take tbeir que from a joke of a local media?
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You are right tho. A lot still has to happen before we can even try to judge Roseman… But as of today, we can only judge the few moves he has made since January, and there isn’t much we can rip Roseman for at this poïnt….I have no problem with fans being happy about the individual moves Roseman has made so far this offseason, but we have a Long way to go before we can really judge our supreme Leader, Kim Jung Roseman.
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Not for Nothing, but most of what happened SHOULDNT be a huge surprise. While the city hates HOWIE, he has always done a very strong job managing the cap, handing out contracts, and getting proper value in return from trades, whilch is why it drove me crazy when fans didn’t want Bradord because they were scared we would hand him some Terrible contract that cripples us for years to comes, when we should have known by now that Roseman doesn’t hand out Terrible contracts he can’t get out of two or three years from now.
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So far, Roseman has done a pretty damn good job, in areas which have been known strengths of his. He deserves to be applauded for individual moves, but we haven’t gotten to the part of the offseason he has had some struggles with in the past (April)…so far so good, but we are still missing a huge part of his evaluation, so it’s premature to be celebrating Roseman as this geat GM who will take us to the promised land… But im certainly not going to rip fans for being happy about a few good moves..
Agreed he has done a decent job to date but there was a lot of mixed opinion about how much money & years it would take back to bring back Bradford.
To Roseman’s credit, I thought he struck a good deal for Bradford. The only thing that he has done this offseason so far I wasn’t crazy about was extending Curry at starter-level money.
Getting rid of guys and locking up guys to reasonable contracts is something that has generally been a strength of Roseman. Interested to see what they do in FA and the draft where his track record is a lot more mixed especially with high draft picks.
Curry’s contract will look much better if he does become a stud defensive end in the future as the cap continues to rise.
His cap hit is only $3M this year. It jumps to $9M next year which puts him just above the Everson Griffen level, but far below the true stud DEs that make $12-15M. After that he hangs out in the $11-12M range but he can be cut going into year three if need be for a savings of $6M.
Basically a 2 year $12M contract with the option to continue for 3 more years at around $11M per year if he turns out to be a stud DE which by the time 2018-2020 rolls around will look pretty damn good for a DE that can consistently get 10 sacks per year if the cap keeps increasing as expected.
I was a fan of Howie coming back, but hate these trades. Shucks. I never fit in.
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No trades today? this FA period sucks.
Sanchez! Sanchez! Sanchez!
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Hopefully Ryan Mathews is traded during the draft after we draft a franchise back
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I want some type of value for Taylor Hart and Sturgis… Do the niners have a better kicker than Sturgis?
I don’t mind Mathews. But would still want an RB.
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Going to be an interesting draft expecting a RB and QB of the future AND expect OL drafted to step in. That would be the mother of all drafts…
Hoping we use the pick from the steelers on a QB
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I don’t mind if we keep Ryan Mathews for this year, but since I think all 3 RBs needed to be replaced by the end of next offseason, if they can get a 4th or 5th for Mathews now, pull the trigger..
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I don’t mind investing quality picks in the RB position, but it drives me crazy tying up the type of money we had in the RB position… What Chip did with our RB position is a disgrace, even worse he got so little production out of a unit he invested insane amounts of money in, all while making Sproles, Ryan and Murray Miserable… Roseman is inheriting a mess all created by one year where we gave Chip unsupervised power.. Chip left HOWIE an absolute mess to clean up, impressive that he already was able to erase the two worst contracts chip handed out, Maxwell and Murray
i’d imagine the steelers are in the Kicker market too lol
Boring off season.
Miami might release Grimes…
Didn’t they release him already? If not he is definitely getting released.. They are trying to bring in Pacman jones to pair with Maxwell
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grimes is done, he can’t play no more
His wife is worse than T.O.
I step away for a few days and then this. Never a dull moment in Eagles-land.
Dumping those losers is good, but the overall philosophy is weird. They are re-signing veterans as if they want to be competitive the next 3-4 years. Now they just dropped 2 starters and depth; overall will need 3 picks or players to replace. If they replace with rookies, they will not be ready for a year or two. FA is generally over-priced and a crapshoot. Instead of going all in to win games or all out to rebuild, they are doing a combination.
I get that M&M were overpriced and underperforming, but the extra cap space does you no good unless you can replace them with someone as good. Usually, it is not cash, but finding competent players that is the hard part.
I just don’t see why we needed Bradford and the other vets who are going be done in a few years if we’re going to dump salary.
Well if Demarco really wanted out so bad then let him roll. I hadn’t given up on Maxwell, but he’s certainly just average. Hopefully we get a chance to improve at those spots but I’m definitely in agreement that we’ve increased the holes we’ll need to fill now.
Yeah, the human element is always there. Kind of funny that Chip got rid of expensive pro-bowlers that we then had to replace; Roseman got rid of expensive mediocrities that we are now going to have to replace. That’s better… but replacing them is the part that neither has shown any ability at doing. Especially talking draft.
Fletcher Cox, Bennie Logan, Lane Johnson, Vinny Curry, Kendricks, and Ertz say hi.
“They are re-signing veterans as if they want to be competitive the next 3-4 years. Now they just dropped 2 starters and depth”.
This basically explains my distaste for the moves. Then all the garbling on here is just because I like to argue (smile emoji wru?)
They are re-signing good players. Just because you’re rebuilding a roster doesn’t mean you have to get rid of all of your good players. If everything works out, you will have a mix of good veterans and ascending prospects. As I said this in a previous post, it appears they’re keeping JP because they have no other assets outside of Lane and Kelce. They kept Celek because he’s the man and will retire an eagle. Ertz is chipping away at his playing time anyway. Bradford is the bridge to the next QB. What they’re doing now is completely different from what the Colts did. They’re not signing Trent or Andre Johnson, etc.
I don’t really see the Eagles as a team that’s been resigning aging veterans like teams in win now mode often do. They locked up their good young players who were coming off their rookie deals with reasonable early extensions, which is basically the smart way to build a long term contender that’s set up well for the future. The oldest guy they resigned is Malcolm Jenkins and he only just turned 28 and is in the middle of his prime. He’s locked up for 5 more years which would take him through his 32nd birthday which is not in anyway too old for a safety. Vinny Curry, Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz are all young guys.
How long would you assume a rebuild should take? Even if you’re starting from scratch the plan is always to become a contender faster than 6+ years down the road. This is a team that’s locking up a pretty decent core for the next 5 years with the hopes of finding a good QB and adding a few more pieces over the next 2 offseasons to become a contender.
As for Bradford, someone has to play QB next year. None of the rookie QBs available are capable day one starters. They all project to need some time before they’re ready to be starters. Bradford is signed to what is essentially a one year deal with a modest cap hit of $12M (Ryan Fitzpatrick type money), that they can easily get out of next year with a small $4M dead cap hit, or if Bradford finally realizes his potential, they will extend him and rework his contract. So we have multiple options to find our franchise QB, hedging our bets with Bradford while not locking us into anything, giving us the freedom to pursue a rookie QB without totally relying on him.
If we didn’t sign Bradford for next year for a cap hit of $12M, what else would we have done at QB? Anybody good enough to be a starting QB in the league would have commanded just as much money and would have required a much more firm commitment, which might limit our ability/desire to spend a high pick on a QB. No one available in FA this year would have half the chance of potentially becoming a franchise QB as Bradford and wouldn’t be all that much cheaper if at all. Otherwise we’re talking about starting Sanchez as a lame duck QB while a rookie get’s up to speed.
But, what happens if the QB we want gets selected before our pick? It does none of our young WRs, TEs, ect any good to play out the next year or two with terrible QB play that stunts their development. Bradford was the best option available and was signed to a very reasonable deal that does not hinder us from pursuing any other long term options at QB.
So we’ve locked up all our good young players at reasonable contracts that will only get more reasonable looking as the cap continues to rise in the future, we’ve cut out all the dead weight veterans that had bloated cap hits that didn’t match their level of production, leaving us with ample future cap space so that when we finally plug the holes in the roster over the next 2 seasons, we’ll have plenty of space to make a splash signing or two when it’s time to make our (hopefully) Super Bowl run.
As far as the holes opened up by Maxwell and Murray: I think you are over stating the “someone as good” part of all of this. Murray looked completely washed up last year. He was slow, weak and painfully indecisive all while being a malcontent and he was 29 years old and about to hit the dreaded RB cliff where skills diminish exponentially and he was counting $9-10M a year against our cap. He was outplayed last year by 3 other RBs that are still on the roster including Kenjon Barner. He wasn’t even a starter by the end of the year. Replacing his future production will be much easier than fielding a competitive team that wastes $10M in cap space on a completely ineffective and over the hill RB.
Maxwell leaves us with a hole at starting CB. But, let’s not forget that while he was an improvement on the Cary/Fletcher duo, he was outplayed last year by Nolan Carroll. I’d personally rather have Carroll and Rowe as starters than Rowe and Maxwell straight up. And, that’s without even taking into account the extra $10M a year we will now have over the next 4 seasons to spend on an actual stud. $10M a year of extra cap space is the type of thing that comes in handy for eventual Super Bowl Champions when they can turn that into say a DeMarcus Ware to put their defense over the top.
I just don’t see what you are seeing at all. I see a team that is doing exactly what a team with a decent but not great core of young players and a handful of important pieces (including QB) still missing that’s hoping to set themselves up to be a contender in the next 2-3 years. They’ve locked up all their good young players that form that core, they’ve ensured that they’ll get at least adequate QB play for the immediate season so as to not stunt their young playmakers growth, while leaving themselves multiple options and possibilities to find their eventual franchise QB while not commiting to anything that will hinder them in the future, and they’ve shed all the dead weight and their bloated contracts so as to not limit their cap flexibility over the next 3 years while they try to turn this team from a mid tier squad into a perennial contender. You can’t rebuild and create a contending squad when your highest paid players that take up a good portion of your cap aren’t all that good.
I don’t understand why we have to wait to find out our trade compensation? Murray, Maxwell and KIKO have All been properly notified of the trade, and it’s been made public for 24 hours, what’s the hold up in releasing the draft pick part of the equation? What are we waiting for? The physicals?
No trades are official until the Wednesday at 4pm when they can be registered with the NFL, and to an extent teams can still back out of the deal at this point (see Gore’s glorious Eagles career). By keeping the deal quite it stops someone else coming and offering a better deal or one side getting cold feet.
However normally someone talks so it is a surprise that it has not been ‘clearly’ leaked.
the only thing I can think of is maybe they are still negotiating the exchange of draft picks. I can’t think of why else no one has been able to find out yet
OT Dallas in on him also
Just messenger if it turns out not to be true. I will have misread the value by a lot if this is true.
The other guy with this rumor had the pick going to Philly which would be a ton better.
Swap is worth at least a 3rd round pick that is a lot to me even if we trade our 4th. I can’t see getting swap and a 4th.
I agree but I also couldn’t see us being the ones to add picks to a Bradford/Foles swap so I’m hoping to be surprised pleasantly for a change
Touche!
someone reported that before yes. Using the draft chart (not hte best now with rookie scales) but it works out to us getting a 3rd round pick worth of value
Which wouldn’t be a terrible return in the abstract but if its Miami sending the 4th instead of us, the value is more like a late 2nd
would be nice but seems unlikelly
Sorry I see it was Nick C …I did not go back to late last night. I was in here late but not that late lol.
They were talking about this late last night before he deleted it. Swap of 8//13 I could live with. But I am not on board with giving up the 4th when we were the ones giving up two starters. Don’t care about their contracts. The contracts the FA corners are going to receive this year are going to be ridiculous. And Miami doesn’t have to pay Max’s signing bonus.
You are incorrect. The contract matters no question about it. They had leverage. Getting a swap from 13 to 8 is a big move.
No way Ramsey makes it to 8. I already said I like the swap, but the fact is that we lessened our draft pick amount while giving up two starters in order to move up 5 spots. Creating two huge holes (now 3 with Murray). The Dolphins get a starter, with a restructured contract, at a premium position of need, and a cheap LB with high upside and a low floor.
The point is there are 4-5 players I like and we are in position at 8 to move up further or stay and get a top player. That’s huge for us.
You just said you were not on board giving up the 4th, what do you mean: I already said I like the swap?
If the deal was just the swap, I would be “OK” with it. I like being in the top 10. You can get a real impact player as you said. Giving up two starters just to move up 5 picks is what makes it only OK for me. Firstly, in this draft, I do not see a huge disparity between 8 and 13. Contrary to everyone else, I do not want a RB at 8. Way too early. If a guy like Stanley, or Hargeaves, Jack fall– great. But you cannot count on that.
Now, your argument would be- we could trade back if we do not like our options. What if that option is not there? My fear is we traded up to draft someone that should still be there at 13. These kind of deals make sense to go down on draft day. Because you know what is actually there. I get it– Maxwell is a salary dump. But it really isn’t as bad as it is being made out to be for the Dolphins. They are getting a starter (with some upside who just may or may not have been a scheme fit) for 8.5M. The cap ramifications are all that matters. They do not have to prorate the signing bonus on their cap because we already paid it.
Adding in the fourth rounder is where I really do not like the deal. And don’t tell me we are getting it back for Demarco Murray because we did not know that deal was happening at the time of the Dolphins deal. Put aside your value charts and nerd glasses for just a second. And just think of it with common sense. We are giving up TWO starters– one on a starters contract and one on a cheap, rookie deal– and a draft pick in the middle rounds to move up 5 picks… when we do not even know what will be around at that pick.
Kiko make 1 play last year and he wasn’t a starter. He was a fill in. And his former coach, Schwartz, didn’t even want him.
Max was a starter, but not a very good one. It won’t be that hard to replace his production. Plus we cut his garbage salary. I mean seriously, when has anyone been upset over getting rid of a guy who had 2 picks last year, yet got paid like a superstar?
The way I see it, we cut 2 “whatever” players, freed up a lot of cap room, and used a 4th to move up 5 spots in the 1st round. (If that’s what happens) Plus, we drop garbage Murray and get that 4th back. (If that’s what happens)
So from what has been said here so far the compensation looks like: move from 13 to 8, give away our 4th to fins, regain 4th from titans in Murray move.
Gain 10 mil in cap space to move 5 spots. Lose 3 starters. HMM…
This is exactly how I’m looking at it.
1 – better pick in first round
2 – better position for next couple of years of cap space.
What were DM/Max/Kiko bringing to the table?
DM was only being use part time last year. Max did play “ok”. Kiko = injuried plus playing slowly. Not really 3 starters.
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I see it as all good stuff …. returning the same players — you get the same results as last year. Moves have to be done…
I’m very cool with the DM trade. Especially if we got a 3 or 4. I just do not like the value on the max/kiko deal. You can see my posts below. I’m on my phone so don’t feel like re-typing it out lol
Really only kinda irked by Maxwell but his contract being gone makes it a fairly even deal. Kiko may always be viewed as what could of been and if the Eagles can get a franchise qb out of this, its a great deal.
Where’d you see 4th from TEN?
Just an assumption, sorry.
The rumor circling on Twitter yesterday was the Titans 3rd round pick, I think it’s #64….. But that can’t be right…
We lost 1 starter. Maxwell. No one should have penciled Alonso in as a starting SLB after how atrocious he was last year. At best he was a someone who we were going to stash on the roster for minimal money to see if he ever regained his form because he showed 3 years ago he had the potential to be great. But, there’s no way we were going into the year without signing a SLB that could be expected to start since Alonso showed nothing at all last year that would suggest he’s a starter.
DeMarco was out performed by everyone at RB including Kenjon Barner last year. We can find literally any other RB to average 3.5 yards per carry and QB slide when CBs come to tackle him.
Yea..no. You’re stretching it with Barner.
He is actually completely right in everything he stated in that post. Specifically the Barner part, he absolutely outperformed Murray in every aspect of playing RB.
one game – 112 yards
entire career – 131 yards
What does that have to do with what Murray did last year? Murray was still terrible and was outperformed by a bum.
A guy that was misused and a guy that was correctly used didn’t even outperform the other guy. I don’t even know how this is even an argument just because Barner had like four splashy plays the entire season.
Misused or not has no bearing on this conversation. He signed the contract offered to him by the coach that explained to him the role and the type of offense he was going to be in. So out of the 4 RBs that played last year Murray was the only one that could do nothing? Your argument is a moot point trying to validate Murray.
Smh. So Chip Kelly the liar suckered you and Murray into a false sense of security until reality hit. Murray could be done but he sure as hell wasn’t outperformed by Barner last year.
This misuse stuff with Murray is way overblown. Sure he’s better as a down hill runner. But, he stunk at that too. Did you know that in runs where bradford was under center and that Murray ran downhill between the tackles his stats were even worse than on outside runs from the shotgun. His ypc on runs when Bradford was under center was 2.1. http://eaglesrewind.com/2015/12/09/demarco-murray-is-not-a-bad-scheme-fit-he-is-just-playing-badly/
But, let’s be honest, even if he was “misused” by being asked to run more out of the shotgun thats still such a poor excuse for his atrocious performance. If you’re a running back that can’t run out of the shotgun, can’t run off tackle, can’t run sweeps, don’t have the speed to make big plays, and can’t run up the middle unless you have great blocker…then how good of a back are you.
Behind the same Oline and in the same scheme all three other RBs on the roster performed significantly better than Murray. In fact, they all had relatively similar YPC all above 4.4 while DeMarco was way down at around 3.5.
And, all those facts, still belie the point that he looked slow and weak and completely washed up last year while also giving really piss poor effort on multiple occasions. So much so that his own teammates called him out in the media for it and no one said a word in his defense.
Small sample size for Barner. How effective was Barner when he couldn’t pop off chunks? As ineffective as Murray because no one except for Barry Sanders can break 2 tackles 6 yards deep in their backfield.
4.4 ypc
3.6 ypc
4.4 ypc on 28 carries. Small sample size always look better.
Osemele to the raiders for 11+. That sucks both for us and what the other guys are going to get.
Well he was far and away the best o-lineman on the market. Not to mention he can start at every position on the line except center. High character guy and will you elite level play at whichever one of the 4 positions they decide to play him at. He received LT money but that was always going to be the case with him.
He makes their interior OL pretty Nasty. Wonder if they would have interest in Ryan Mathews?
He’s getting Left Tackle money. Not guard money.
The Raiders are letting last year’s OLT Donald Penn walk.
He wasn’t even a realistic target for us in the first place.
Gym Shorts
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So, I tweet that Andre Holmes, WR, Raiders could be of interest to the Eagles. Then @MikeGarafolo responds with a thumbs up. Hmmmm.
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Saw a report that has the Raiders are working hard to keep him… I wouldnt expect to beat out a team iwth like 80mil in Cap space
Backup plan in case Carroll doesn’t sign?
That is what I am guessing as now the reports are saying the Eags and Carrol are far apart on a new deal
I don’t love the player, but I like that they are getting a jump on tomorrow and bringing guys in who were cut in for visit, befire tomorow when they can start bringing in free agents for visits
PFF Grade 47.6, 404 snaps. Is he nickel/dime guy?
Ian Rapoport
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Free agent CB Leodis McKelvin is visiting the #Eagles, source said. A deal could come quickly, though a visit to Dallas looms.
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A Schwartz guy but has always been a better return man than CB IMO. Might make Sproles expendable.
I’d much rather have Sproles on the roster. Sproles offers a hell of a lot more than just the return game!
He is like 30yrs old and missed a lot of games because of injuries in the last 4 years… Not sure what level he is operating at these days
if we end up with 8/13 swap Prediction: We will see if Wentz or ZEKE falls, if not, we trade out and get later 1st and re-coup 2nd somehow (trade partner, not the slightest idea).
8/13
yeah caught it. good looks buddy.
Doubt we get that much of a trade. It would be awesome, but not too likely
agreed.
I would not rule out any of the 3 QBs yet or Zeke. Maybe they like Paxton Lynch since they met with him. This potentially could be a pre-emptive strike against the Rams who have two seconds to our none.
Zeke or Goff/Wentz would be nice at 8, i feel Lynch was THE MAN @ 13. IF this is true, our choices have opened up a little bit. According to draft value 8th =1,400 pts. 26th = 700pts, could totally come away with a late 1st round pick (26th = 700 pts), early 2nd and late 2nd. I feel @ #8 overall you better damn well have your 1 or 2 guys there or trade out.
…. if we have 8 guys scouted as early 1st rd great….. if its more like 3-5 then we have a decision at 8
Ideally we find away to get Ramsey, Stanley, Zeke, or Myles Jack if at all possibke (trade up, draft fall )
Ramsey gets past top-3? Goff doesn’t get by Dallas? 2 (Browns),3 (Chargers),4 (Dallas) all could pull trigger on QB
Slim to none chance we get Ramsey, but I still have some time left to Dream
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I don’t really care about Goff or Wentz,
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Myles Jack falling to #8 would be glorious
https://youtu.be/2XSz3Lz9zvk
Love that kid.. Shame anthony Barr, baby Kendricks, and Myles Jack werent all seniors at the same time, UCLA could have had a savage defense
How did Clemson not do anything with: Martavis Bryant, Sammy Watkins and DeAndre Hopkins….. the world will never know lol
where is their qb playing?
XFL
Only one that might fall is Jack. Zeke might not even be top 10.
At #8? I don’t think stanley or Zeke falling to #8 is impossible… It’s not likely that we get any of the guys I memtioned, but that’s what I would view as ideal
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Lol we don’t even know if we have the 8th pick
I’m not getting my hopes up until everything is official. Stanley is not getting past the Ravens. Zeke will be there but I doubt we take him. I would love to be wrong on that though.
I won’t be surprised if they end up picking behind us.. Im thinking Newsome goes crazy and tries to Horde picks to replace all the talent they are about to lose..
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And it’s not crazy to think they can get better talemt than Stanley if they don’t trade back.. They could use Ramsey, they could really use Myles Jack next to Mosely, but obviously they will have some level of interest in stanley
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Again, im on some wishful thinking tip right now, I don’t actually think we will come away with those guys while we are sitting at #13, and its a stretch for some of those guys even at #8
There is no way that a GM like Newsome will pass a franchise LT over whatever crap he can get.
Matt Elam Arthur Brown
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Even Ozzie does dumb shit.
Not saying he doesn’t but he just extended his “franchise” QB and lost a starting OL. I think he’s smart enough to take Stanley.
Their DBs are a mess too. I think they could go in alot of different directions.
if there are playërs at other positions of need rated a tier above Stanley.. But yes, if they have Stanley rated on that top tier with the very best prospect they most likely go with a LT…. But Im not sure he is on that top shelf tier, or right below it..
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Personally, I’m not sure I would love Stanley in the top 4… I might be under rating him, but I wouldn’t want to see us draft a tackle with a 94 grade, if there is a safety with a 97 grade.
.l
Of course Ozzie is one of the best in the business, slick enough to trade back and get the guy they want if possible
Gurley was #10 last year. Is Zeke better?
Probably not but Gurley would have gone even higher if not for the injury
very true.
remember when we were getting that second for nick foles?
yes. deal went well lol
Malik Jackson to JAX reportedly:
Mike Klis
Verified account
@MikeKlis
Broncos’ defensive end Malik Jackson about to join Jacksonville Jaguars http://www.9news.com/sports/broncos-defensive-end-malik-jackson-about-to-join-jacksonville-jaguars/73923013 … via @@9NEWS #9news #9sports
i have sneaky feeling about JAX next year…. the AFC South is totally up for grabs next year.
Jaguars are going to be good when they find a solid OL.
Their OL is actually ok. It’s the D that’s been the biggest problem.
Fuck The Jags, inflating the price of Cox
…all these trades were to clear room for Cox lol
They’re paying him a deal avg $15M a year. 6 years, $90M it sounds like. Cox will get about 6 years, $120M.
Suh didn’t help last season either, even though he is a DT.
50-55Guaremted and will be worth every penny
Tamba Hali extended, 3years
975TheFanatic @975TheFanatic
TMac: At CB there has been some buzz about Boykin coming back. I think they’ll want Carroll back too, but they aren’t close there yet.
11:05 AM – 8 Mar 2016
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Rumor-Mill-Boykin-Back-To-Philly/a5cab429-4732-4eeb-8a72-d19b643056ad?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Why not? It sure as hell is better than hoping that some 6th round pick CB can start.
and schwartz will give him an honest chance
and BoyKING will decimate all
I would be in favor of this.
I would be interested if we strikes it on better options like Sean Smith, Janoris Jenkins, that kid from the Chargers coming off a good year… I also would probably rather have Nolan Carrol back than Boykin, but I certainly wouldn’t hate bringing Boykin back, as long as he STFU and plays Nickel if that’s where our coach likes him back… He can get an opportunity to compete outsider, but if schwartz decides he is a nickel, I don’t want to hear a peep out of him..
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Im sure Pederson will wave to him when he passes Him in the Novacare hallways so boykin shouldn’t have a problem
I’ve been saying this since about week 6 of the season. Pittsburgh did us a real solid. They gave us a 4th round pick to rent Boykin from us for a year when we really didn’t need him with Thurmond at Safety and then proceeded to destroy his value on the FA market by making him 7th string for the majority of the year. How great would it be if we end up not only getting the 4th from the trade, but also ending up with Boykin long term as our slot corner, but on top of all that we get him at a substantial discount after the horrible year he had in Pittsburgh?
It’s a fifth round pick.
I’ll still take it
Not really news but just added buzz.
Whitehead, Jeff Allen & Brandon Boykin are all guys to pay attention to come 4 pm tomorrow Zach Berman
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Rumor-Mill-Jeff-Allen/7eb4c296-b66b-43fb-bc30-7cf7b8b46276
that would really open us up for BPA
Im curious to see what the 2016 Broncos and Bengals look like. Both teams could be ravaged by free agency.. The Bengals have like 13 free agents, and a bunch of key guys:
OT Andre Smith
WR Sanu
WR Marvin jones
CB Pacman
Safety Illoka
safety Reggie Nelson
Marvin Lewis couldn’t get them over the top last year, what’s he going to do now that they lose so much talent?… I was surprised to hear Pacman really Rave about AJ McCarron, and he also praised Dalton so he sounded like he was just being honest, and it wasn’t a case of talking up AJ because he doesn’t Dalton or something… He had a lot of positives to say about Dalton, but sounds genuinly impressed by AJ and believes he will be a good QB this year,,. Curious to keep an Eye on the Bengals Dalton vs AJ situaton..
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Broncos already lost MALIK Jax, they most likely are losing Travathan, brandon Marshall? What happens if the Texans pull a coup and steal Osweiler?
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Both the Bengals and Broncos are victims of their own success. They are going to lose a chunk of Talent…the Begals are also hurt by having so much of Marvin Lewis coaching tree sprinkled all around the league. There are a bunch of former coaches at other teams that will try to poach their former Bengal playërs..,seahawks deal with that a little from Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn..
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Gonna be interesting to see how well Elway and the Bengals can withstand getting their talent poached
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 37m37 minutes ago
The #Broncos are releasing guard Louis Vasquez, source said. Clearly some space, as he was to hit at $6.75M
I don’t know what the hell Miami is doing. no way they are in the mario williams market anymore.
Miami is a mess..
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I thought they cut Brent Grimes, but they are still trying to trade him, yet he sucks and no one will touch him because his wife is a Maniac! Allegedly she caused a ton of drama in the locker room, attacked reporters and fans on Twitter all the time, and got arrested during a Dolphins game… Lol ONLY the Dolphins, first Incognito is “bullying” some 300lb kid, they clean up that locker room mess, and then they have a player who needs to give his wife a rabies shot. Calm that psycho chick down!…
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They want to let a good young Edge rusher go, and are interested in replacing him withow old Mario williams? How does Mime Tannembaum have a job?
I checked her Twitter out. Definition of ratchet…
Bwahahaha she sure is..
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Im praying, on my knees praying to football gods to deliver Brent Grimes and his wife to the Cowboys, Skins or Giants who all need DBs.. What a Gift that would be
10 years ago that would have been considered a dirty statement lol
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 37m37 minutes ago
#Bears are the “leading contender” for Danny Trevathan.
Makes sense. Their LB are putrid. I would think they go hard for a FA safety too..
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Shame, Travathan would look amazing with Hicks and Kendricks(ideally replaced by Myles Jack lol)… Ok now I’m getting carried away
JPP staying with Giants. Cowboys has interest.
In addition to Vasquez, the Broncos cut TE Owen Daniels and LS Aaron Brewer.
OG Richie Incognitio re-signed with BUF for 3 years.
Makes sense, Jahri Evans left the bills without a deal
“Chase Daniels is going to get bigger money in tbis market than people realize. biggest backüp Money possibke”-Shefty
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Why???
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I really hope Sanchez hasnt been cut yet because they are still trying to trade him. I can’t do another year of him in Philly..
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JPP getting $10.5 on a 1yr deal
Am I allowed to sort of cheer for JPP now? I kinda want to. Need permission.
two thumbs up from me
I think Tumtum can still get 2 thumbs up from JPP. Not sure about other digits…
Can I ask why you would cheer for him?
I think he is kinda jerk, or has been to us obviously. It is just really cool to see a guy do something so devastating and not throw in thw towel.
Just a sucker for a come back I guess.
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/707278444250472448
kiko don’t you screw this up
Doctor: Kiko, ummm do you realize you have rocks in your noggin?
Kiko: I like turtles.
too dumb for football. that’s a rough lot in life.
either way women seem to “play down to their competition”, he’s a good lookin dude, he will be fine in Miami lol.
actually, now that i’m thinking about it, dumb rich and ripped would be WAY better than smart broke and chubby. you win, kiko.
if you ask me if I would trade with Johnny Manziel…… In a second lol.
i don’t know man. dumb is one thing. crazy is another.
rich-oil-father is another… lol
that’s a pretty good look, lady-wise
You obviously haven’t considered the near certainty of what he is going to face in prison in the near future.
Or not face, either way.
Really, probably both ways.
(Too far?)
Thanks
I needed that
Funny as hell
The miami sun will fry the Brian cells he has left
Brian cells? Irony.
I assumed it was on porpoise.
literally….
so the doctor tells kiko to hop up on the exam table. kiko jumps to the wrong side of the room
Kiko Alonso does not obey gravity.
Because he doesn’t acknowledge anything he can’t spell.
That is why we didn’t trade him to the 49ers. He didn’t understand how words could have numbers in them.
For some odd reason, that reminds me of the joke about the worst thing you’d ever want to hear at the doctor’s office.
“Doc, where should I put my pants while I’m getting this prostate exam?”
“Over there on the chair next to mine.”
He always fails to tackle the simple concepts.
…like consumer level math
#LegendOfKiko #NoChangeBackEver
I was thinking more of those pesky building blocks
Kiko Alonso hated Lincoln Logs so he went out and made his own out of real trees and built a totally unstable structure
#LegendOfKiko #StructuralEngineeringNOT!!!!!
A doctor once told Kiko Alonso that he had the flu and needed to fight it over the next few days.
Kiko then proceeded to punch the flu out of his own face.
#LegendOfKiko
Kiko Alosno holds the Guinness Book of World Records – record for most times saying dude as a noun, verb and adjective in a 24 hour span.
#LegendOfKiko. #DudeDude.
So he would be making as much as the likes of Iupati and Yanda, that’s absolutely insane for a guy that’s not anywhere near the level of elite guard they are.
Thank the raiders
I blame McNabb. Wait, what?
Blaming Donovan always works for me
Yes! Let’s do this. Big boy needs to eat!
Give an average guard top 5 money? He can eat all he wants on another team for that price.
If I read into my armchair GM tea leaves from the various tweets and articles I’ve seen, an offseason of Allen or Brooks at Guard, Tahir Whitehead at LB, Leodis McKelvin and Boykin at CB (and yes I do believe they will sign 2 CBs in FA), and Bilal Powell or Chris Polk at RB may be on the horizon. Still not sure what they’re going to roll with at SS. Maybe substitute McLeod for Boykin, and roll with McKelvin, Rowe, Watkins, Shepherd, and rookie at CB.
Does seem oh so inspiring to me as well.
lol I actually don’t mind those additions. It’s a fair setup for what they want to do for this draft and long-term planning.
no “savior” aquisitions
There is no “Runyan” in this FA for the eagles. The draft will be key as it should be.
Howies new revolutionary new angle lol
Nno Nnamdi
Wonder if the Titans asked about Huff?
Chip should be forced to sign him
I want to see these WRs under the new staff before we give up on any of them unless we trade him for something better.
From chatter it sounds like they didn’t much coaching. Everything was about getting the play in as fast as possible and getting lined up to run the next play.
I agree. Especially since we reached for him so unlikely we could get a 3rd in return for him, so better off holding on to him at this point, the knucklhead does have some talent and ability if we can get him to put it all together
Is it just me or does everyone else find this time of year exciting? I’m always fascinated by the acquisition period, not just for the eagles but for all other teams. #nerdlife
I know, I haven’t been this excited for our team since we signed Byron Maxwell and Demarco Murray last year;-b
Old (someone used it yesterday). But still quality. Upvote for you.
Oops, I didn’t see it.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
55s56 seconds ago
Eagles’ re-signing of Sam Bradford did not spell the end of QB Chase Daniel in Philly. Doug Pederson’s buddy remains a possibility there.
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If it goes down, I wonder where Sanchez goes via trade? Houston? Cleveland? Broncos? San Francisco?
not exaggerating – is he worth even a 7?
Doesn’t even have to be for a pick this year. Maybe a 6th next year? He could be an option as a bridge for other teams that draft a QB.
Swap our 7th for a teams 6th..
i guess and i know there’s always a sucker out there, but giving ANY resource for sanchez should be a firable offense
We thought the same about Maxwell and Murray a week ago.
If a team can draft Ponder and Manziel in the first round, ANYTHING is possible lol.
Seriously, there were millions of fans that would have bet their house that Manziel Wasnt a first round QB, yet an NFL team took him anyway…. Amazing!
Well, to be fair, that “NFL Team” was Cleveland, so….
thats like asking if Bradford is worth the contract he just signed…… The answer is yes because the QB market is the most overvalued position in all of sports.
well in one situation we are paying and in the other situation we’re looking for someone to pay us. in my experience it’s always easier to pay than to get paid. so my point is that we’d need some other GM to be very dumb for this to happen
Not sure who would trade for him on a 1 year deal. Even a 7th round pick would be pushing it, unless it was conditional.
Shefty says chase will get more Money than people think, so for a team that needs a bridge QB, sanchez may not be a bad idea… Doubt you even get a 7th.. Probably swap 7th for a 6th, we would do it because we save as litte more money trading him instead of cutting him
hopefully we get Bradford to that value next year lol
I could see Houston trading for him if they lose on the Oswieler lotto.
Replacing Sanchez with Chase ALWAYS made perfect sense.. Acting like Chase could replace Bradford was the Joke.
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If we can trade sanchez instead of cutting him and replace him with Chase, THATS quality GM’ing, considering our limited options of course
but Chase playing in place for an injured Bradford is possible. Would be a nice move. Heard bad things about Chase on Philly radio, I think it was Baldingers notes from that draft. My buddy who is a KC fan actually thinks Chase is better than people think. Can scramble and buy time and makes plays he said, just never got much time to play meaningful minutes. Not sure I buy it really but its from someone who follows KC religiously
or Chase and Alex Smith can be the same guy if you squint hard
More so to help transition to the Doug P offense.. Sounds like a backüp who really tries to help the starter during the week.. Could also help mentor a rookie while SAM worries about digesting the offense..
He’s GOT to be better than Sanchez! And cheaper. Hell, we can sign anybody to come in an lose every game like Sanchez did for next to nothing! I though the idea was to have a backup who could win more than every other year.
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https://twitter.com/JohnBarchard/status/707285537296662528
This is Howie Do It!
You are hereby commissioned to make the This is Howie Do It! music video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hiUuL5uTKc
Good, we need a replacement for rarely played “Coop there it is”..
DARE TO DREAM
that’s what i thought leading into the foles trade. i hope you’re right
I remembering hearing it on the radio, and was like, alright! We get Bradford and a 2! And then…
we won the Foles trade because Jeff Fischer is not our coach lol
MADDEN, NO TRADE RESTRICTIONS MODE
everything is cyclical
Of course it is.. People thnking we had to give them Kiko to take Maxwell are nuts. Two things you can count on from Howie
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1) won’t hand out crippling contracts we can’t get out of
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2) won’t get Fucked on trade value, more likely big dick Howie does the fucking lol
3) Not having an official GM label lol
i think Kiko sweetened the deal to get what we’re getting…maybe Max by himself wasn’t enough…
….same thoughts here. I have a feeling Howie got what he wanted.
what do you want for door #1? We’ll take Maxwell. Done – but we have door #2 – kick in Kiko and it’s yours. Done.
I have no idea what we got… I know it’s not the 5th or 6th round crap people were suggesting… How much more, I have no idea,,.. But nothing surprises me with Tannehbaum as the GM we doing business with
This guy is usually wrong about stuff.
you just got me as giddy as a schoolgirl.
https://twitter.com/JayA_975/status/707287633857257472
Twitter not letting me copy link
At this stage the Eagles should be linked to every former BUF, DET, and KC players available. That being said, I’d take Bradham..
Do Bradham and Whitehead play the same position?
Both can play either OLB spots in the 4-3. Bradham can also play MLB if they want to move Hicks to OLB.
“Twitter not letting me copy link”
You did it right. It just doesn’t show up correct on the screen until after you post it.
First time I did it, had to delete it.
Good value coming off a down year under Sexy Rexy… Similar to KEndricks tho so I wonder which would be the SAM? Would they leave Kendricks at WIL? Move Hicks to SAM?
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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The #Jaguars deal for DL Malik Jackson is 6 years, $90M with $42M guaranteed, source said. So, wow.
Cox will get $55M guaranteed. Hate to say it but with this deep DT class smart play long-term might be to let him go next year or try to trade him now.
No, Greg. Please don’t say that.
I don’t think he’s going anywhere. If I was running a team though, I don’t think paying any DT that amount is a good investment.
Generally speaking I would agree. But does the fact that he’s the only bonafide superstar on the team make any difference there, even if he is a DT?
Stop it…
The thing is, you don’t know what you’re going to get, but you do with man dog. And you would set a bad precedent with your current players and FA players, as you have repeatedly gone on record saying he will stay an eagle.
Not going anywhere
Losing Reggie White and Fletcher Cox in my lifetime is unacceptable.
Mate
He’s not going anywhere. This year or next for sure. They could still tag him next off season, so the Eagles have more leverage in Cox case. Unlike Malik who was a UFA.
This is why i said last week that I may see Bennie Logan going somewhere.
Fletcher is a happy Cox
https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/707286502661758976
Not good.
For the record I think that’s absolutely ludicrous. If that’s going to be the standard Cox should get triple that.
Malik is no slouch, hes tops at the position. Cox will get a bit more guaranteed money probably
He also gets that SB winner bump.
If the Eagles sign Chase Daniel don’t be surprised if Bradford gets traded to a team like the Texans or Broncos, depending where Osweiler lands. Source: GE
That doesn’t make any sense. Why trade him when you have him on the deal he is on? If he plays good you can extend him or try to trade him (if that is the route they want to go), if he shits the bed then you cut bait after one season and be good cap wise. I know Pederson wants to pick his own QB but I am sure he wants to see what Bradford can do in his offense this year.
That creates a tremendous amount of dead money on the cap. It would be like a $1 million savings but then we have no QB other than Daniels, who is a backup. The Eagles do not look like they are looking to throw away this season. You basically never trade a just-signed free agent for reasons like that — it would also be very damaging to signing future free agents if they think you’d turn around and trade them. Unless it was agreed with Bradford beforehand, there is about zero chance of this.
You might be right. Maybe I’m desperately trying to make sense of the apparent Eagles interest in Daniel still?! 🙂
If they like him better than Sanchez, and can get him for 3.5 million (the cap savings for cutting Sanchez) or less, it would be cap-neutral for a player they prefer. I suppose it’s possible there is offset language, such that if Sanchez signs on somewhere else, up to the $1 million guarantee gets wiped off the Eagles’ books, so maybe up to 4.5 million would be cap neutral.
They need a backup and hopefully Sanchez will be cut.
i assume signing Daniel would force Sanchez out. do you think that would be any difference in the cap?
I wonder if Demarco is in TN for his physical, or if he veered off to Georgia…
probably fell down in kentucky
Nah he couldn’t decide which exit to take so he just went back
https://twitter.com/FakeWIPCaller/status/707291326400880641
what did we get back?
Herpes
herpes, one thing in sports that can’t be defeated by father time.
Pederson and Hue Jackson have confirmed to us that when a new coach says he hasnt talked to a player a month after becoming the coach, THAT player is a GONER!!! See Manziel, see Demarco..
LB Danny Trevathan to the Bears.
Bet they paid a ton… Shame he was too rich for us
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What’s up with The other bronco LB Brandon Marshall? Some think he is better than Travathan
i think he got tendered.
Mike Wallace has been cut.
Deservedly so.
I know I’m always late, but it does seem we have #8.
https://twitter.com/1st_Son_of_MD/status/707176750556389377
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/707238952495816705
Eagles Fans: Fastest in the League…. and drunkest…. and loudest….. and best traveling? The superlatives continue.
he’s the idiot for posting it in the first place – then blames fans for copying.
seriously what a loser! YOU lost your own source by being a jerk.
This seems far more likely to be true than that other guy claiming a “lopsided” deal….
Yeah. Specifics here about how that came about.
….why is it we need the vocation of reporters again?
Eagles signed Leodis McKelvin to two year deal.
Yep, hope it’s not for too much money and is backloaded into second year.
2 years $6M
Yeah, that’s backup money in this market.
Haven’t seen that yet. Where did you see terms?
Rapaport tweeted it.
Dude, relax. You act like its your money. 😉
well….. merchandise, tickets, etc. Yeah I own .0000000000000026% of this team and demand results!
Rapaport saying 2 years at $6 million total. So $3M/year. I dare someone to prove to me that Maxwell was 4 times better than this guy.
one year he played for Schwartz and he had his highest amount of INTS at 4, but only played 10 games.
The SCHWARTZ is with us already.
Let’s hope Kiko doesn’t screw up the physical. Lol
You get 500 points just for signing your name, Kiko!
Who?
Here’s McKelvin’s greatest career play . . .
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015121300/2015/REG14/bills@eagles#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000600150&tab=videos
Literally remember that play and yelling at the TV like I was one of the kids in ‘The Little Giants’ and just screaming at Celek “Cmon hot hands Celek, hold the damn ball!”
Here’s McKelvin’s worst career tackle . . .
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015121300/2015/REG14/bills@eagles#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000600235&tab=videos
Howie wheeling and dealing. Since he took over again it’s been one long middle finger to Chip Kelly. Which I’m totally cool with.
It really hasn’t. Now if he trades Barwin, and brings back Mathis and Boykin, then one could argue lol
Allbright is saying in response to someone that in his tweets last night he meant that the Eagles get the Dolphins’ 4th plus the pick swap. That is a great deal for the Eagles.
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I have come to the conclusion that our beat writers really need to work on their wording on Twitter. How are these guys writers for a living? There are constantly misinterpretations and mistakes from these guys.
eagles trade 4 4 picks
Eskin is horrible. DMoore has been just as bad with his backtracking. He said yesterday he spoke to some people about compensation and then later said that they weren’t sources and he was just guessing. Allbright won’t stand by his report, and deleted a tweet because he shouldn’t have posted it in the first place. The list goes on.
he deleted his post to try to protect his source. Didn’t work. But he wasn’t deleting it because it was incorrect. We’ll see.
The wording in his original post had a 4th to the Fins. Supposedly now he is saying that 4th is to the eagles in response to someone else. I don’t dislike Allbright, but he tries to break stories too early. And in this case, even though he was first, and actually misreported it.
I really don’t care about him personally, just got the sense that you were discrediting the entire message from him b/c he deleted it. Looking more and more like we got the good end of that trade.
But yeah, can’t have too much sympathy for a guy who tweets something, then deletes it, then complains that people screenshotting the deleted tweet cost him his source.
https://twitter.com/DolphinsDraft/status/707306513119977472
it’s so nice when it happens to someone else for a change
I was going to ask when was the last time the Eagles were robbed in the trade and remembered the whole Bradford debacle…. damn you Chip.
Anyway Howie regardless of if he actually picks the right players always gets good value in trades.
I will be very happy with the deal if that is the case. That being said, it really isnt THAT bad for them. The pick swap is essentially equal to a 3rd. So they would give up a 3rd and 4th for two starters. i do not think Maxwell’s contract (without the signing bonus) will look that bad when we see the corner market the next two years. And a 4th for Kiko is a mid round pick for a Linebacker that they saw first hand as DROY.
Is effectively a 2nd round pick they are giving us worth of value… and $11.5mil guaranteed we were handing out for next 2 years (assuming we cut him in 2017)
they both better suck this year, and we need some upgrades, which shouldn’t be too hard.
who we getting at 8?
Is there really any doubt they both will?
With Bill Davis as the D coord its very possible Max can be serviceable.
If true, Eagles draft picks *before* adding TEN compensation for Murray:
1st (#8)
3rd (#77 from Detroit)
3rd (#79)
4th (from Miami)
4th
5th
5th (from Pittsburgh)
6th
7th
7th (from Arizona)
Draft should be fun.
I like having a couple in the 3rd and 4th. 3rd can provide some gems.
If somehow we could get Stanley @8, I’d say our draft was a win.
do the Dolphins get back their druggie linebacker this year – Dion Jordan?
do Dolphin fans have more sense than Eagles fans?
let’s get ZEKE!!!!!!
I f++++ love this guy. Which round is he projected to be drafted?
1st
But where?! Top 5, top 10, mid or bottom?!
No idea honestly. So hard to judge RB value in the NFL these days, just takes 1 team to look at things old school and he goes high. Think he ends up going in the high teens but could be anywhere from 4-40 honestly. Such a weird market.
8th pick
Lets not, unless he fall to the late 2nd round, the earliest time you should actually draft a running back.
so as it stands right now..based on reports before anythings official, and without knowing the compensation for Demarco Murray..We have 10 picks
we have the # 8 overall
no second rd pick
2 third rd picks
2 4th rd picks
2 5th rd picks
1 6th rd pick
2 7th rd picks
a 3rd and 4th should get you into the late 2nd round and i would be surprised if they did not consolidate some of their draft picks on draft day.
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/707293776767750145
McLane just takes what someone else says and adds “sources confirm”. Even after moves have officially been announced by the Eagles. I think he’s irrelevant.
sources claim McLane does that
Are we sure Chip took the 9’ers HC job and isnt really the Dolphins GM?
Interesting Jim, seems to have a lot of player personnel control. Maybe there’s a happy medium between him and howie? be interesting to see how draft works
Think to get him to be DC they have offered him greater than normal DC control in shaping his defense personal wise, pretty much taking on the role a head coach would traditionally do in setting the agenda.
Think it makes a lot of sense to bring in a depth guys with scheme experience that Schwartz feels confident can execute as he wants and can help teach the scheme and explain it to the players. Would not be surprised if we got a vet DT or to combine with our LB and secondary addition so we have some scheme knowledge at all 3 levels.
100% hopefully speeds the 43 transition. Should cox be my IDP player for fantasy?
yeah howie Is scared
Or maybe he’s doing his job by finding out what kind of players the coaches want, including specific guys, and then targeting them. Sounds a little more realistic.
Allbright just tweeted me and cleared up all the confusion of his report. It would be a first round swap and we would get the 4th. I guess we will see if the report is new tomorrow. So cautiously optimistic:)
Yes, please!
IF it is true, and it seems from a range of sources suggests that it is… it is a game changer for the birds, since we will either get a shot at a top 2 QB or an elite player. Think we may make a small trade up on draft day to grab a QB if we rate one and they fall to 5-6.
Sweet if we can snag Wentz or Goff
I mean, Myles Jack is in play at #8……
Kendricks — Hicks — Jack would be an insane ILB core.
I’m not falling for that again. On paper it’s very good but they gotta show it on the field.
I have Jack in my top 5, Id go freaking nuts if we got him
You could be right or it could be for top 3 QB. Maybe they want Lynch after meeting with him and want to ensure they’re in position since Rams have 2 2nds and we have none.
Or we just have more runway to trade back and pick up another pick.
I wouldn’t mind trading pretty far back if it gets us another couple picks. Guys like William Jackson and Darron Lee and Vernon Butler and Conklin would all be targets for me.
garnett
mike wallace cut — what do you think? sammy has the arm for it. gotta be dirt cheap
If he’s cheap enough… maybe
Wouldnt be opposed to signing him and getting a big boy like Andre Holmes.
He is a diva to the fullest extent, also his diva status doesn’t match his player status. No thanks.
I mean sure for like $2M lol
I hope Miami doesn’t see the comments and back out on their deal with us
Pretend you are a Dolphins fan for a moment and it’s not hard to justify this deal:
~~~~~~~~~~~
Move a few spots back in the first round for 2 NFL starters? One who was the most sought after FA cornerback last offseason and lets you get rid of perpetual headache Grimes and his wife? And Kiko was coming off an injury so you can’t judge him by his performance last year. He was a second round pick and he’s easily worth a fourth rounder now! They though enough of him last year to give up LeSean McCoy!
~~~~~~~~~~~
To Howie Roseman for the offseason so far.
Wait for it to be confirmed tomorrow. Then we can celebrate, lol
Good call Nick.
hear hear
I remember a time not so long ago when we all got our hopes up about a swap of first round picks and getting an additional second rounder….
My sentiments exactly.
Life is too short to worry about facts. Make proclamations and worry about being wrong later!
Isn’t that what George Bush did..?
And Obama, and Clinton, and Bush, and Regan… etc.
politicians usually don’t worry about being wrong
until election time
I was more thinking about Chris Broussard
haha
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/creativecontent/images/cms/1130762_1280x720.jpg
FYI
https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/707325127306797056
I’m going to laugh so hard at the Dolphins if this is true.
Former Eagles’ S Quintin Mikell hired by Eagles as director of player engagement.
What does a director of player engagement even do?
Plan weddings between players…?
I didn’t know Mikell had that side in him but ok?
Jenk assists him with the bow-tie combinations.
Used to be called director of player relations or player programs. League office’s department changed its name to player engagement and most teams have followed suit. Basically, it’s counciling, both for issues that arise up now and preparing for life after the NFL.
Arranges marriages to mail order brides for busy players without time for social lives?
The Dolphins trade speculation is going rampant thru Twitter right now. I think it is very concerning that no one else of any credibility is confirming it. Reuben Frank said “he just doesn’t believe it.”
It’s too good to be true
It’s because it’s not true. This time tomorrow we will all be complaining that we should have gotten more than a conditional 7th rounder.
Ben Allbright is credible. Ironically enough, I remember him being the guy with a ton of details on the Maxwell negotiations last year.
Allbright, while not perfect, has a good track record. Jayson Ashworth also tweeted it and while I never heard of him prior to yesterday also reported before others that Murray getting traded was a done deal and that the Eagles were interested in Bradham. It’s possible that these guys have the same source and that source is wrong.
Also had not heard of Ashworth before yesterday but seems to have a decent track record as well. Seems like he doesn’t hear everything but the stuff he hears is correct.
phins and Mario Williams agree to 2 year deal for $16million
How have they not learned that signing big FA’s doesnt correlate to wins?
williams + suh crazy
Mario “I take plays off” Williams. Ya, good luck with that. He and Suh can sulk together when they arent undefeated every season.
https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/707328874015813635
Howard is so bold to suggest that we will STILL be signing players once Free Agency opens tomorrow.
“B 4 you sleep on eagles, watch out 4 more signings, 4 the eagles are very active”
4 shore.
3 rivers
2 turtledoves
And a strange old man who wears a fur coat.
They don’t call him Big Balls Eskin for nothing!
I want this to be real!
Do I get a pony if it is?
As I remember, no one wanted the “Bradford and a swap of 1sts” trade to be real more than you did.
Wasn’t to be.
This trade smells very similar.
If it sounds too good to be true . . .
You have a better memory than me but that sounds right
Holy mush mouth! Tough press conference to watch.
Serious question . . .
Why are the Eagles signing a 9-year veteran at CB who’s a part-time player and hasn’t been very healthy the past two seasons?
Schwartz.
I thought he was a starter for the Bills.
Bills’ starting RCB — Stephon Gilmore — was injured after Game 3 in 2015.
So McKelvin stepped in.
McKelvin was recovering from surgery and missed the first 5 games of 2015. He started when healthy.
Knows D, versatile, has played well when healthy, comes inexpensively. I don’t think he’s coming in as a sure-fire starter.
My initial assumption was he was being brought in for depth and being familiar with the scheme. That of course was before the Maxwell trade so I really don’t know if they expect him to start, if they lose Carroll, or is he purely depth and special teams. I believe it is too early to tell. We may have to wait after free agency and the draft to get a ready on the corner position.
Leodonis McKelvin is currently speaking to the press and single-handedly disproving any suggestions that Kiko is gone because he wasn’t smart enough.
I feel like I am in South Atlanta. If you have ever been, you know exactly what I am referring to.
East Point?
He is from Georgia.
South Georgia. Right on the border with FL.
He threw Chip under the bus in his press conference.
https://twitter.com/DZangaroCSN/status/707334136160104449
it’s like beating up a baby at this point
Sounds right to me.
But . . . but . . . but . . .
Chip was the greatest ever at half-time adjustments.
And Chip’s tempo made impossible for defenses to catch up to what the offense was doing in the 2nd half —
When you combine his genius for adjustments with the tempo!
Chip’s offense was so good that it wore out two defenses in every game.
But . . . but . . but . . .
it’s the number of plays run that counts
Damn, I’m good lol. I live outside of Atlanta. Gotta recognize that accent from a mile away.
jawja
I lived in VA for a few years. I knew some very smart people belied by a slow and slurred drawl. This guy gave me the distinct impression that he worked very hard to be prepared for his first two points: thanking the Eagles for the opportunity and the Bills for his years there.
marshawn lynch has trouble talking to the press but he’s clearly a smart dude. as long as you can understand the plays i think you’re a genius
so he doesn’t do it for the skittles?..
if you aren’t doing it for the skittles you’re doing it for the wrong reason
Twitter NFL is off and running with the idea we swapped picks and got a 4th.
Let this be true please
I mean its all rumors right now but if its true this might break NFL twitter.
The reason I’m sort of buying it is because it’s actually not terrible from the Dolphins point of view. At least the Maxwell part. Move back several spots (the equivalent of an early 3rd, according to the value chart), and pick up a solid starter at CB. If they’ve looked at their draft board and felt they could still get value at 13, it’s not a completely unintelligent move.
Oh, and also because it’s Howie and not Chip.
Assume —
1. Eagles now have 8th pick in 1st Rd (1400 points).
2. Eagles package Lions’ 3rd Rd pick (205 pts) plus ‘Phins 4th Rd pick (84 points) with their new 1st to try to move up.
Strictly by the numbers, 1689 points still leaves you short of JAX’s 5th overall pick — by 11 points.
I actually think the Jaguars would love to trade down if they can’t get Ramsey. This would let us get Ronnie Stanley and the Jaguars can get whichever defensive player they like at 8.
out of curiosity, why’d you pick #5? just looking or is that where you expect the sweet spot to be (and if so, for whom)?
Trade chart values.
3rd Pick = 2200
4th pick = 1800
5th pick = 1700
Getting to 4th would require using the Eagles own 3rd.
Can’t get to 3rd, even if the Eagles used everything on their 2016 board.
ok that’s all i wanted to know – if there was something about the jags wanting to move or wanting the same guys we are targeting. got you now
gotcha
11 points? If only we still had Cooper as a sweetener. Stupid Howie.
wait does cooper hate hispanic people too, or just african americans?
All I know is he hates catching footballs.
He hates these cans!
I always call a gang “she.”
Leodis McKelvin rearranges to Iced Milk Novels. Frozen food for thought…
Now that Twitter has exploded… Just waiting for the “Jaguars not comfortable with Kiko’s knee, deal null and void.” OR “Previous reports were false. Eagles receive 6th rounder and conditional pick in 2017”.
If trading Kiko and Maxwell to the Dolphins is contingent upon the Jaguars approving Kiko’s knee, then either Florida is more messed up than we thought, or the deal is infinitely more complicated. Or… both.
holly crap.
Baloophi.
Holly crap to you, too, AC!
I shoulda used a comma . . .
for the Burt Ward-effect
Ahh Burt Ward…
I don’t even know whats happening anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV5bGHdYag
BEST. SIDELINE. COACHING. EVER.
It’s all ball bearings these days…
One B. B-A-B-A-R.
What kind of name is Poon anyways?
Comanche Indian
I’m Frieda’s boss.
Hoooogan!
I believe it is approved my a simple majority vote of the Dolphins, Jaguars, and Bucs. Jeb Bush has veto power, however, using his engraved pistol.
I think NASA also has to weigh in…
I think Jen Bush would have been better, from her Today Show sofa.
Aw, I thought I got to the edit button in time.
You’ve lost a step, my friend.
What is the standard on the hanging chad when counting votes?
because no uniform standard exists, the answer is:
Supreme Court picks the winner
So now we’d have a split court on how many draft picks we get back? Great. Thanks, McConnell!
I believe they use the electric chair nowadays.
Or household-cleaning-products-mixed-into-lethal-injection.
the supreme court just awarded the eagles 1st rounder
Trenton native Sam Alito casts key 5th vote
Just a thought since we saw it with Thurmond – could McKelvin be slotted as the other S if we don’t go after another big name?
He looks kinda scrawny for a safety.
you look kinda scrawny for a safety
Oh, how I miss the days when I was too scrawny to be mistaken for a safety.
Maybe a Strong Safety / Linebacker tweener?
I’ll take 4-3 DE and try to avoid slipping into 3-4 DE territory.
You don’t want two-gap responsibility.
People used to ask me if i played basketball, now they ask me if i played football.
People used to ask me if I played basketball, now they as me if I am a basketball.
Well?
He would die as a Safety in Schwartz D#.
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/707339310610190336
but once someone’s heard a tree fall, a sound was made.
This is deep.
What’s the sound of one-hand de-tweeting?
But if the mess gets cleaned quickly, the maid was sound.
Kempski making Eagles fans mad again.
BREAKING: Eagles give up #13, Maxwell, Kiko and Bradford for Dolphins #8. #LessonLearned
Why you do this?
Because. I. Can.
Jeff McLane
@Jeff_McLane
1m1 minute ago
“Reports” the #Eagles swapped 1st rd picks w/ Dolphins and also received a 4th rd pick are erroneous, I’m told. Patience, young Skywalkers.
24 retweets
15 likes
So what he’s saying is, the Eagles received a conditional late round pick.
MAYBE…..or maybe he means they’re swapping picks, Eagles get the Dolphins’ 2016 3rd, and a 2017 conditional 2nd that could become a 1st if Howie can beat Tannenbaum in an over the top challenge.
that would be something.
And if a winner can’t be decided that way we will be holding sack races on consecutive sundays until a winner is crowned.
I feel like Cox would do well in a sack race…
there’s much to unpack there
And, there it is.
All because stinkin’ Allbright leaked the original deal
It’s like, “Hey, stick to being the former Secretary of State, Madeleine!”
doesnt Prisco Trump McClane
boy I messed that all up
It’s McLane. He’s just mad that radio guys have better sources than he does. His “sources” only tell him things (magically) one minute after someone else breaks it.
“sources tell me **retweet**”
Close but its not sources tell me, its “sources confirm”
Yeah source knows deal but McLane/source won’t divulge it.
Tannenhill/Bradford swap as well?
While we damn our press for failing to give us deal details 24 hours early, i find the amount of money the Dolphins are spending on their Defensive line is insane. What is the point of having the best DL in the league if you have no secondary or linebackers, and can only score 14 points a game? seems bizarre allocation of resources.
What. Alonso and Maxwell aren’t enough?
throw in Jacorey Sheppard
the guy was All Universe in the slot in April
The captain of the All Universe (in April) team is Nate Ilaoa…
Hawaii Five – Oh
Without the conditioning of a major football program, one fears that Nate is on his way to being Hawaii Five-Oh-Oh…
They are trading for secondary and a linebacker 😉
Scoring is another matter.
That team is stuck in mediocrity unless Tannehill finally becomes better than average.
true for a lot of teams. Got to have an identity on defense. Heck our DL is probably as or more expensive than theirs.
Sounds like us
Only we don’t have Tannehill. It’s sad that I mean that in a bad way.
Saw this on the EMB:
Ian Wharton @NFLFilmStudy · 35s35 seconds ago
Nobody I’ve talked to has a clue about the compensation for the Eagles-Dolphins & -Titans trades. Hard to see Philly getting much in return
Ian Wharton @NFLFilmStudy · 1m1 minute ago
If the Eagles leaked both trades, then they probably got very little in the two salary dumps. Otherwise would have leaked compensation, too.
I am sure the players agents leaked the trade info but they are not necessarily privy to what other compensation is.
Problem with that logic is there’s no evidence that Eagles leaked trades. Plus from the fact that Murray’s agent tweeted he was traded within seconds of Schefter reporting the same, we have a pretty good idea of who leaked that trade.
When the news breaks the the compensation is mid- to late-round picks, the villagers will be after Roseman again.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pwz84SZXNXg/UQ1euJqMNrI/AAAAAAAAPB0/7a2dpgjf5Qc/s1600/729-157.jpg
Exactly, which is why I don’t think the Eagles would let this predictable frenzy happen
Those villagers are too nicely dressed.
Dress hats and suits? It would be sweatpants or athletic pants with an elastic waistband.
If there is any sort of midish pick involved it will be a much better deal than I am anticipating.
I feel like if the Eagles were getting little compensation, they would have leaked something like late round picks without being specific to temper fan expectations
If somehow we move up to 8 that is awesome. That and a 4th seems fantasyland to me.
Honestly if the trade is just moving to 8 that’s still good
It’s great.
So I got dibs on the recliner at the Igglesblitz house tomorrow at 4! You all heard me call it.
Sorry the Drew Stanton dream is dead. for real now.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/707347760392085504
GOD DAMNIT!
*flips over table*
I imagine the delay in releasing the detail of the deal is to allow time for Tannenhill and Bradford to inform their families and real estate agents about the impending swap.
I imagine the delay is in stitching “TANNEHILL” to the back of a new kelly green uniform for the press conference…
Just write their names over some tape. We won’t be able to tell the difference.
Like this?
Wow, the last time I saw that it only went to McCoy.
Made the same discovery. There are many versions of it… so many, in fact, that there needs to be a meta Browns Jersey Mannequin for the Browns Jersey Mannequin. Of course, then we’re in danger of turning this into a never-ending loop of Russian nesting dolls or barber shop mirrors…
There are three former Eagles on there, including the current coach?
Yes exactly like that.
forgot mccown
Yeah that list actually includes 3 more names now lol, Connor Shaw, Josh Mccown and Austin Davis.
Spectacular.
Was Kosar was the last good Browns’ QB?
Oh I bet this girl is sad. The next one won’t fit on the paper.
Looks like he is backing off of it as well.
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/707351184630112256
“I took it down so I never said it.”
“And I lost a source because of it… Yeah.”
Also, “You guys are idiots.”
Unfortunate the situation has totally run away on him.
It’s like his own, personal Doug Martin.
Meanwhile, he is wishing the tweet was a DeMarco Murray.
A tweet that jogs to the outside and just slides down.
Only if there’s a CB bearing down on him
Ben Allbright for Congress!!!
That’s some first-class walk-back.
President
With just the right hint of blaming the audience.
He should demand that Mexico build him a firewall.
I haven’t seen you in what seems like a while. Yet here I see the rapid fire one liners. WB.
I was consumed by work. Soon to be consumed by a baby, so I’m squeezing everything into today. Apologies for the barrage, but good to be back and see old friends like you, Tummer!
I am the last person that would have a problem with a barrage of posts, especially form you buddy.
Watch we gave up our first.
Maybe we swapped 1sts with them instead of them swapping firsts with us? Just like the Foles thing?
That’s one thing I’m not worried about. We might not win this deal but I doubt we lose
what if we swapped our first for their second, could you live w that?
Absolutely not… but I would have to.
No
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/707358734083723265
EDIT* apparently one day is a long-deleted tweet… carry on
So that means he is saying it is true, just shouldn’t have been revealed?
I think he is covering his ass either way. Throwing shit and seeing what sticks. Just like he “predicted the Bradford deal” a day before.
He must really hate that source he lost…
But what was the original tweet?
So what does any of this mean?
Until tomorrow, nothing.
#NotAlrightForAllbright
That’s something the kids do, right?
#GetThoseKidsOffMyLawn
The fancy Garamond font underscores his sincerity. Until he deletes this tweet, too…
https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/707363483223007232
I really don’t get this but whatever.
I get it….as long as they cut Sanchez.
Sanchez sucks vs. backup knows offense…Sanchez contract up after this year so maybe it’s part of a longer term plan.Just move on from Sanchez you got your backup (small backup). Assuming money isn’t huge difference from savings cutting Sanchez.
I’d like to add 2 young QBs myself but I get it.
I want to add a young QB as well and if you’ve got the young QB and you’ve got the placeholder (Bradford), giving out a multi-year contract to upgrade the backup qb seems unnecessary. I suppose they could cut Bradford next year if the young QB is ready to take over but you could just sign a backup QB next offseason then.
why move all the way to philly to be a backup?
Have you been to Kansas City? But $ could be one reason. Bradford not under long term contract and had injury issues.
b-b-q
cheesesteak
Doug Need Backup QB
Doug Consider FA List
Doug Watch Sanchez Film
Doug Chase Daniels
I am confident something is up with Tommy. Either he is having a long conversation with Howie about not tipping him off before he did all the FA research, or he knows too much and must remain silent until 4:00 tomorrow.
Or he’s watching Transformers and drinking PBRs?!
It’s possible he’s celebrating one or both of today’s obscure holidays:
– National Organize Your Home Office Day
– National Peanut Cluster Day
Scheduling these on the same day must mean it’s also National Poor Planning Day…
I missed national peanut cluster day??? This is a travesty!
Here on the West Coast we still have an hour and half left of NPC day… EpiPens out!
https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/707368437912375296
Or they could draft a qb early. Bradford and Daniel dont instill ALL the confidence in the world.
Or Eskin is just Eskin. Knowing f all…
People should probably prepare themselves for the very strong possibility a QB is not taken early.
Agree. Might be a huge mistake – they (hopefully) won’t get too many chances to draft this high, especially if they go to 8. But hard to see them signing Daniel then drafting a QB early to be the 3rd QB, and probably not dressed.
I honestly believe that we should be able to trade Sanchez for some value.
If Matt Barkley can get us a 7th….
I think it’s possible depending on the going rate for backup QBs. Sanchez will just have a 1 year commitment at $4.5m. Stanton signed for 2 years at $6.5, so that might not be a good sign. The other problem is that they’ll probably want that cap space pretty quickly. The market may not have set itself in time.
you can trade Sanchez for Barkley
Roseman has an odd affinity for Zima and is willing to trade Sanchez for anyone with a year supply.
The drink of winners or something like that.
“and possibly draft QB late . . . ”
__________
That’s a great plan for a team with a QB on a 1-year deal with an option.
And, if Daniel comes on board, a No. 2 QB who’s a shorter version of A.J. Feeley.
My sentiments exactly. This is the time to get your qb and develop him while you already have a decent starter in place for at least a year.
Only if the right guy is available. One of the beauties of the Bradford deal was not being forced to reach for a QB if there wasn’t one they absolutely loved.
So I guess it’s a good thing Howard Eskin isn’t running the franchise…
Their just counting on finding another Brady in the 6th round.
why do we want a qb that is 5’9?
More secure hand offs to Sproles?
If they’re both the same size then they wouldn’t know who to tackle right?
Yep. I know I get Chase and Sproles confused all the time.
because our backup qb who is 6’3 went 0-3 last year?
Look we can compromise, I’m 6’1 and available immediately for the veterans minimum. I can ride the pine so good no one will even remember that time Sanchez was eating a hot dog.
I’m 6-8″ and I’m quite sure I could go 0-16
I’m betting most of us would need a career longer than Manning’s to log 16 games.
Do we still get paid?
Why do you think Daniel’s is 5’9″?
You’re not relying on what someone wrote here, are you?
Daniel’s is an even 6’0″ — per the 2008 Combine.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/chase-daniel?id=81284
He may, though, have the shortest arms of any NFL QB ever.
oh good, I don’t know why I thought that. you can’t make the nfl at 5’9 can you?
that figure may have stuck in your head because it was floated by a notoriously lazy commenter.
I miss Flutie flakes.
He’s on the coming season of Dancing With The Stars.
He can get the chicken nuggets from the Kid’s menu.
true when he was a rookie
its not hard to believe Schwartz watched the tape, saw Maxwell not tackling and said get this guy outta here NOW!
What time can they start finalizing deals tomorrow? 12:01 am?
4PM
4 pm
Wednesday, March 9 at 4:00 p.m. ET. At that time, NFL teams can talk to free agents, bring them in for visits and get them to sign actual contracts.
Thanks gents!
1pm. PT
And it will be five o’clock somewhere. Nova Scotia, probably.
I believe time stands still in the Maritimes, so it’s likely five o’clock forever there. Beautiful country, though.
2:30 AM Thursday IST
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/707386413302435840
https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/707379158968500224
http://img.picturequotes.com/2/22/21127/why-dont-you-make-like-a-tree-and-get-out-of-here-quote-1.jpg
Wonder if this is what line Roseman used when he talked to Murray, Maxwell, and Alonso’s agents.
He probably said, “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out,” and then had to wait until Murray finally found the opening in the wall.
It would have taken him 20+ attempts, but they only gave him 7. Then Deuce took him out(side).
It would have been faster if they put the doorway on the sideline.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
2m2 minutes ago
Former Jets’ RB Chris Ivory is expected to sign with the Jacksonville Jaguars when new league year begins, per league source.
135 retweets
55 likes
You know things are strange when Jaguars start poaching ivory…
Ivory seems pricey. I mean he’s solid but we’re looking in draft or at something way under the radar.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/707401343187685376
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/707395783818084352
Rick Stroud
@NFLSTROUD
4m4 minutes ago
Bucs are believed to be nearing a deal for @DougMartin22 for around $6.85 million per year.