Posted: March 26th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 215 Comments »

The Eagles are kind of in no man’s land with pick 8. They aren’t likely to get an elite defensive prospect (Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack) or the top OT on the board. They could get RB Ezekiel Elliot, although he could easily go before 8. The Eagles will get a very good player, but they might have to move up again if they really want a guy…say possibly a QB.

BGN has a post up on a report that the Eagles are one of the teams looking to move up, possibly to the top spot. The thought is that they might be going after Carson Wentz.

Moving up for a kid from North Dakota State? On the surface, that sounds insane.

Wentz isn’t your typical NDSU player. That school is a football power, at the I-AA level. They aren’t an NFL factory, but that’s usually because their players are either a bit small or lack ideal athleticism. There is the RB who is 198 pounds or the 5-11 LB or the WR who runs 4.68. The guys are gifted enough to thrive at that level and even be pro prospects, but they just aren’t quite good enough.

Wentz’s two biggest strengths are his size and his athletic ability. He could play SAM LB if he didn’t want to be a QB. This is not your typical small school prospect. And he’s more than just a body. He is a talented QB. Wentz has a very strong arm. He can make every throw. He has excellent mobility and they used his running as part of their offense. He wasn’t in a spread attack that had him throwing jet screen after jet screen. He actually had to drop back and throw real passes.

The level of competition concern should have been eased at the Senior Bowl, where Wentz was easily the best QB. Playing well at the Senior Bowl doesn’t guarantee NFL success, but it does allow you to judge a prospect against the top Seniors and give you an idea if that player belongs in a discussion to be a early pick.

I’m still figuring out just how much I like Wentz. There is no questioning the fact he has the physical skills to be a good starting QB. My concerns are more about his ability to read defenses, make good decisions and handle the speed of the pro game. He wasn’t exposed to any of that at NDSU. Wentz was so much better than the competition that he could succeed with his physical ability. 

Those are terrific throws and the reason some people are so high on Wentz.

I think Doug Pederson could be a big fan of Wentz. Pederson talked recently about wanting a QB to have good size. Wentz certainly passes that test. Pederson will love his arm strength. Wentz has the kind of mobility that Pederson is used to (from coaching Mike Vick and Alex Smith). Pederson went to a small school (NE Louisiana) so I don’t think Wentz coming from NDSU will be an isssue. Pederson may actually see that as a good thing.

Pederson does want his QB to be able to make adjustments at the LOS. I don’t know much about Wentz in that regard. Jared Goff has more experience at that.

Would moving up for Wentz be smart?

You and I can put together strong opinions on the upside and risk of the move. We could make a strong case for or against it. The key would be whether the Eagles management truly believes in Wentz.

Reaching for a QB too early can be a bad decision. The Jaguars did that with Blaine Gabbert. The Titans did that with Jake Locker. The Bills did that with E.J. Manuel. I thought Mark Sanchez was picked too early. If you are taking a QB in the Top 15 (or so), you need to feel strongly about him. You should not talk yourself into the fact that he’s worth going after.

At the same time, there is this notion that the Eagles can skip at QB early and just go get one later on. Just because Russell Wilson (3rd round) worked out for Seattle and Kirk Cousins (4th) appears to be the man in Washington and Tyrod Taylor (6th) might be the Bills guy doesn’t mean you can count on picks like that. You still want to look for QBs early.

While I haven’t made up my mind on Wentz completely, I will say that I strongly prefer him to Gabbert, Locker and Manuel. I think he is a better prospect than those guys.

If the Eagles feel strongly about Wentz, go get him. You are already in the Top 10. That’s not an annual thing. And the last time the Eagles had a high pick there wasn’t a QB worth taking that early. It really boils down to how Howie Roseman and Pederson feel about Wentz (and Goff as well).


Does this rumor feel true?

It actually makes a lot of sense to me. Howie Roseman loves options. I can easily see him plotting to move up as well as moving back. Talk to other teams. See what the price is. Figure out whether it is worth it to invest multiple resources in a QB like Wentz or Goff.

Or stay put and get a very good player.

Or move back and add another fairly high pick so you can continue restocking the roster with young talent.

Nothing is written in stone at this time of the year. Teams are talking and seeing what is out there.

Having a Top 10 pick is a lot of fun. You have lots of options. Just a question of what the team wants to do and what offers are out there, for moving up or back.


215 Comments on “Wentzing?”

  1. 1 peteike said at 12:49 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Take Goff at 8 or just move a few spots up max. Think Wentz is out of picture per cost and demand. They won’t get this chance to draft top 10 in a weak division and good enough D for a .500 team at least. Gotta gamble on qbs even if you miss. This years later rounds seem like wasted picks to me vs one of these too 2. I think Goff could even be there at 8

  2. 2 Septhinox said at 1:20 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Doesn’t matter if Goff is there at 8 if he isn’t their guy. It’s not like there’s 2 exact cars with just didn’t colors.

  3. 3 peteike said at 10:35 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    We don’t know who their guy is, so almost easier to project goff out of the two but fans seem to be ignoring that possibility for the flashier choice.

  4. 4 Wentzing? - said at 12:49 AM on March 26th, 2016:

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  5. 5 Stacks209 said at 1:29 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I really like the idea of going after Wentz. I would be more concerned if the Eagles were in a situation that we needed to start him right away. I would also have reservations if he were a statue in the pocket and needed a great O-line, running game and defense to thrive. Neither of those is the case. He already has the physical tools that can’t be coached up. The only deficiencies (possible) that one could point to are experience and level of competition. Those can be improved with coaching.

    In Philly he would have the luxury of being able to sit on the bench for the next two years learning the pro game. He would gain valuable knowledge from Brad, Chase, Pederson, and Reich. It would (ideally) be a situation like Rodgers walked into in GB. Hold the clipboard for a couple years, learn the playbook front to back, get accustomed to the bright lights in the NFL…and in two years take the reigns. Pair that athletic talent with two years of study and coaching…this could well be the best opportunity to acquire a true franchise QB since #5.

  6. 6 Rob Jarratt said at 9:03 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    In today’s NFL, Stacks, no team picks a QB that high and even sits him for one year, much less two. That is why I just don’t see them taking either QB at 8. Many holes to fill. I see a trade back.

  7. 7 peteike said at 10:39 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    But maybe that’s why so many keep failing so letting a guy sit n learn may be ideal. Of course easy to say now and you’re right per trends, gonna be exciting draft

  8. 8 Dan said at 12:37 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Usually its because a team that is drafting that early is usually a pure shitshow at QB and doesn’t really have many options.

  9. 9 NinjaP said at 1:36 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Honestly I think the eagles looking at the QBs is posturing to try and ensure both are off the board by the time 8 comes around increasing the likelihood their guy is there.

  10. 10 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:57 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Very likely IMO

  11. 11 Dan said at 12:40 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I disagree, I absolutely believe they like at least one of the two QBs and if they are there they are going to take them. I also see Bradford as a trading chip in this whole situation. I don’t see them picking up a d player unless Ramsey free falls which I don’t see happening or maybe Jack but I dont see that either. I think they went heavier in free agency on defense and are going to use the draft to bring in players on the offensive side of the ball for Pederson to mold his offense.

  12. 12 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:08 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    “They went Heavier in FA on Defense”??? Really? They signed a starting safety as our only starter on a multiyear deal.. paid Bradham and leodis short term (leodis may not even start for us).. Brooks is a ST player..
    They signed one significant defender Longterm, and two significant offensive players long term, the Guard and Chase,,,,, signing Leodis, Bradham, Brooks ISNT very different from signing Givens and Rueban Randle.
    You are inventing Narratives now? We may have actually spent more money on Offensive players than defenders in FA, either way it’s Close, and we didn’t go heavier on one side over the other, and I assume it’s more likely that we see a similarly even split draft between Defense and Offense, which was the reality of our free agent strategy

  13. 13 wee2424 said at 12:14 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    2 starters on D, possibly 3, not 1. I understand what you are saying but I do think more of the defensive signees have a chance of starting over the offense signees.

    I do not like McKelvin at slot, but I do think it’s very possible that happens, and I do count slot as a starting position.

  14. 14 Ben said at 1:46 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I agree, if a player like Jack or Hargreaves or even Stanley is there at 8, I think you gotta pull the trigger.

  15. 15 Jake and Elmo said at 2:26 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    The biggest issue is number of starts in college. Big concern for those from the Andy Reid tree.

  16. 16 Insomniac said at 2:38 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    “My concerns are more about his ability to read defenses, make good decisions and handle the speed of the pro game.”

    The most important part of being a QB.

  17. 17 A_T_G said at 8:18 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    So, Aaron Rodgers vs. Jeff George? Agree that projecting that particular part takes some serious risk.

  18. 18 Pennguino said at 3:48 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    STL pick 15 and pick 45 is about 100 points over the draft value for pick 8. If a QB is sitting there you might see LA trade with us. Our pick 8 for pick 15, 45 and Foles.

  19. 19 Cafone said at 4:33 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I’m sure the Eagles would consider… Wait a minute! You snuck in Foles there at the end. No deal!

  20. 20 Pennguino said at 12:26 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Hahaha. The Foles was just a slight troll. More like a top water plug.

  21. 21 Charlie Kelly said at 4:36 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    foles isnt coming back now

  22. 22 Pennguino said at 12:26 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I know. Chase all the way and a developmental project

  23. 23 Media Mike said at 6:35 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I could see the Rams wanting to jump up for a QB. I can’t see us adding Foles back.

  24. 24 Pennguino said at 12:28 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    True. According to the value chart we make out with an extra 100 points. I still feel that is not enough to trade back to 15.
    Foles was just hyperbole stuff.

  25. 25 FairOaks said at 12:37 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Foles is also a major negative / impossibility because of his contract, offsetting way more than the 100 points. He’d have to get cut to make it even a remote possibility he comes back, but that rules out being part of a trade.

    I think the only way he comes back is if 1) the Eagles don’t manage to draft a QB, 2) he gets cut by the Rams, and 3) he’s not offered anything by another team and would come back to the Eagles on a bargain-basement contract, knowing he’d be a distant 3rd on the depth chart. Not a likely scenario.

  26. 26 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:55 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Well said.. Id love to get Nick back as the #3, but it won’t happen under the terms of his current contract.., he has to get cut by the Rams for it to even become a possibility

  27. 27 Dan said at 12:41 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    You should be thinking players, not points.

  28. 28 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:55 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Id love my dude back, but I doubt that… We probably won’t want to add FOles at the contract he is signed to especially with the chase and Bradford contract… If theRams want to move up for a QB, swap first, take their second, and swap our 5th for their 4th and call it a day. . The Rams might end up cutting FOles…
    A trade with the Rams is very plausible, but we won’t be taking the FOles contract off their hands.

  29. 29 Pennguino said at 12:38 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Yea, I know Foles is not coming. More a tongue in cheek comment for him. Maybe 1st and both 3rds for their 1st and both 2nds. It’s a little rich but they might be in love with the player.

  30. 30 Cafone said at 4:34 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I don’t think the Eagles will be able to move up and get him.

  31. 31 Media Mike said at 6:34 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    To move up to 1 or 2 is too expensive on the point value chart. IF the guy they like is there at 5 or 6, that is an easier jump.

  32. 32 Media Mike said at 6:34 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Is CBS f-ing serious? How the F am I supposed to watch BOTH Villanova AND the Flyers in full if Nova is on at 8:40 instead of the early game? The Flyers have been scheduled at 10 for months.

    Poor form.

  33. 33 Rambler said at 10:43 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Just realized the Flyers were out here playing the Coyotes tonight. Might have to see if I can get a cheap ticket. Although that would ruin watching Nova for me. Tough call. Flyers typically do not do too well out here.

  34. 34 daveH said at 1:34 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Rick Tocchet one of our best ever

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 4:54 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Exactly. F-ing CBS/NCAA.

  36. 36 RobNE said at 10:43 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I think Nova has a decent chance tonight. I’d rank the possible #1 upsets in this order: Oregon, Kansas, Virginia, UNC

  37. 37 Media Mike said at 4:54 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I hope so.

  38. 38 RobNE said at 9:53 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Good so far.

  39. 39 Mr. Magee said at 11:53 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    Well done Rob!

  40. 40 Howie Littlefinger said at 6:46 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Wentz Fence????

  41. 41 Media Mike said at 6:48 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    As in the fencing of a stolen item?

  42. 42 Media Mike said at 6:54 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Wentz based draft

    Round 1 Pick 8: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Hunter Henry, TE, Arkansas (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina (A)
    Round 4 Pick 2: Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (B)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 13: De’Vondre Campbell, OLB, Minnesota (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Derrick Kindred, SS, TCU (B-)

  43. 43 Ankerstjernen said at 9:55 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    There had to be a pretty good DT on the board there, with the first pick in the third, no?

  44. 44 Media Mike said at 10:41 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Probably so, but really felt the talent there wasn’t worth skipping who I took.

  45. 45 Forthebirds said at 11:29 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    No WR in your draft. I think the birds will draft one of the speedsters in the mid to late rounds.

  46. 46 Jernst said at 4:12 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    And, I’m almost positive we take a RB at some point as well.

  47. 47 Rambo said at 2:17 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    And your boy BARNER is starting rb by week 4!

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 4:54 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    F no. We got 12 UDFA players who beat out Barner.

  49. 49 Mr. Magee said at 11:54 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    No way he’s there at 8

  50. 50 Greg Richards said at 8:03 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    There’s a rumor that the Eagles are trying to trade up to 2, but not for Wentz. For Jalen Ramsey. But it comes from the Sports Junkies so I wouldn’t place any money on that happening.

  51. 51 Media Mike said at 8:14 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I’m sick to my stomach thinking about where that extra 1200 points in going to come from to get to 2 (2600) from 8 (1400).

  52. 52 Jernst said at 4:09 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    The draft value Chart as set up by Jimmy Johnson has been very accurate in determining value of trades throughout the draft but seems to be all over the place when talking about moves within the top ten. The reason being that Jimmy’s trade value chart vastly over-values top picks even in an average year when looking at the average player production values of those picks.


    So when dealing with the top ten it really seems to depend on the quality of that particular drafts top ten players. When RG3 was coming out and was looked at as a top QB that many teams were extremely interested in acquiring the compensation went through the roof. But, in drafts that weren’t so top heavy the move up can be a lot more reasonable.
    When Atlanta moved up from 26th to 6th to draft Julio Jones they gave up a 2nd and 4th that year and a 1st and 4th the following year. All of those picks ending up being in the later parts of those rounds. That’s similar to what Jimmy Johnson’s draft chart says it would take for us to move from 8th to 2nd. Just 6 spots and all those picks, for the most part, occuring in the top half of their respective rounds.
    In 2004, the Giants and Chargers essentially traded the 1st overall pick for the 4th overall pick. Granted a lot of this involved Eli’s petulant refusal to play in SD. But, to move up 3 slots (after the fact) the Giants gave up a 3rd rounder, and a future 1st and 5th.
    In 2001, Atlanta traded up from 5 to 1 to acquire Michael Vick, and gave up a 3rd round pick and the following years 2nd round pick.
    In 2000, the Redskins moved from pick 12 up to pick 3 to select Chris Samuels, they gave up pick 24 to complete that trade.
    In 1997, the Rams traded up from 6 to 1 to take Orlando Pace. They only gave up a 3rd, a 4th and a 7th round pick to do so. The Jets then traded that 6th overall pick for the 8th overall pick and a measly 4th round pick.
    So honestly, who knows what it would really cost to move up in this years draft. All depends on what the teams holding that pick see as the relative value of the players available at their pick versus yours.

  53. 53 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:51 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Been drooling over him for two years, but that ain’t happening, no one is trading half of their next two drafts to move up for a corner… Heck you can probably get joe Haden for a 25% of what it would take to get to #2 for Ramsey..
    Id be The happiest person in philly if Ramsey became an Eagle, but he would have to fall to like #5 for that to be a realistic possibility

  54. 54 Cafone said at 12:10 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Howie is a Gator. He’s going to spend draft capital to move up to take a CB from FSU over the one from his alma mater?

  55. 55 Bullwinkle said at 8:29 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Trade back a little to get a 2nd round draft choice. Load up with good players. Let’s see what Bradford can do. He has taken on the role of team leader. Give him next year to prove himself.

  56. 56 Media Mike said at 8:32 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I’m not sure trading back is a good idea when we were told there were a group of “top 10” players we traded into the top 10 to get rather than adding the extra 3rd rounder that would have been equivalent to the point difference between 8 and 13.

    I’d have to be blown away with an offer to trade down and give up on a player who wouldn’t be there in a trade down.

    I’m still of the opinion that if we need to get into the 2nd round, we can trade into it using some combo of our 3rd and some other stuff.

  57. 57 Dave said at 9:59 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I would think another reason the trade that moved us to #8 was preferred over an extra third rounder is because it is probably easier to trade back at #8 and pick up a second round pick than to trade up with a third rounder to get inside the top 10.

  58. 58 FairOaks said at 12:09 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Possibly. You’d think that if the goal was a second round pick though, they could have found a way to do that with the original trade. We probably got low-second-round value with the trade-up, and perhaps the Dolphins own second rounder was too rich for the trade, so this was another avenue to eventually get there.

    But I’m guessing we did the swap to get a better player in the first round, while perhaps also being in position to be wowed by an offer from a desperate team. I really don’t think we are looking to trade though of course anything is possible — especially if we only have about 6 players we would really like and they are all gone. (I suspect some of the rumors are to get teams to trade up for other players, in order to push one of our real targets down.)

  59. 59 Jernst said at 3:39 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Don’t forget that one of the biggest reasons that the Miami FO gave for liking the trade was that they got 2 starters AND didn’t lose any picks. They looked at it like they were still going to get a starting quality player at 13 even he wasn’t necessarily as good as the guy they could get at 8, plus two extra starters. So they liked that they turned their 8th pick into 3 potential starters, rather than one blue chip talent. If you’re a team like Miami that is obviously concerned with adding as many starting quality players as possible, then it’s very possible that losing draft picks (even a 3rd) to aquire those two starters might have been something they weren’t as crazy about.

    Plus we already have two 3rds. Having three 3rds seems a bit overkill for one round. There’s only so many viable good players left that you’ve targetted with 3rd round grades by that point. Especially considering the fact that this team has a lot of starting players throughout the roster which are servicable to good but not great, which is exactly the type of player that you could reasonably expect from a third round pick. Do we really need more servicable to good players, or is it much more beneficial for us to finally get some top end blue chip talent somewhere on this roster?

    With 3 3rds and no 2nd, I’m sure we’d be looking to flip one of those thirds to really turn it into something valuable for us. Which just adds another level of complication to the trade. We’d have to then make another trade for us to really get the benefit we wanted.

  60. 60 Cafone said at 12:08 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    We’re told a lot of things this time of the year. Most of them are not true. I’d put that “Top 10” thing at the top of the list.

  61. 61 Media Mike said at 4:53 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I’m actually going to use that one to murder the team if they trade down and take a guy I don’t like.

  62. 62 Rob Jarratt said at 8:48 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I’m with you, Bull. Methinks that Howie will yet undo another Chiipah mistake and get back the 2nd rounder that Kelly squandered on the Bradford trade.

  63. 63 Ankerstjernen said at 9:58 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Is it just me, or is the obvious way of doing that to simply trade Bradford for a second? (Dead money be damned.)

  64. 64 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:44 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Not going to happen… You hear people throw around the idea of trading Bradford, and that’s just not realistic, at least not THIS offseason .. HOWIE isn’t going to shit on a super agents client trading him three months after we signed him.. When you franchise Tag a player and then trade him, I think they are typically pretty up front about the trade possibility with The agent and player…. Probably wouldn’t see SAM hosting Eagles playërs at his home for workouts all week if there was a chance he was getting moved.. HOWIE worked hard to build this stellar relationships with Agents after the ugly reputation Banner built….no way he pulls The rug out from under Bradfords super agent and trades him during or before the draft…l Id put my car on that if I could get A bookie dumb enough to take that bet
    Not to mention, you can probably trade SAM for more next year, when his second year contract money is much lower

  65. 65 Dan said at 12:45 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Theres a good chance you are in for a rude awakening based on how they set up Daniel’s contract.

  66. 66 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:44 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    LOL thanks for the Laugh….

  67. 67 Jernst said at 3:30 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Thank you…finally someone else relizes that the cost of trading someone you just signed is more than just dead money. Bradford was a free agent. He had the option to sign anywhere he wanted just a month ago and he chose to sign with the Eagles. It would be incredibly disrespectful, disingenuous and a huge slap in the face to then turn around and trade him to someone like SF, where he never would have wanted to go in the first place after you just agreed to a deal to keep him here. This would cause a lot of distrust in Howie, not just from Bradford himself, but his agent who handles many other players deals, other players and potential future free agents who would be weary of signing with the backstabbing Eagles, and the current players (particularly the veteran leaders on this team) who would feel like the rug just got pulled out from underneath them.

  68. 68 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:45 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Well said… It’s so unrealistic its not even worth talking about.

  69. 69 Forthebirds said at 11:35 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    As much as I like Bradford, I don’t think a team would give up a second for him.

  70. 70 Dan said at 12:45 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I see Denver giving up a late 1st or SF giving up their 2nd rounder for him absolutely.

  71. 71 daveH said at 1:21 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    What are the odds that that wents, goff or any rookue qb will be bettrt than bradford .. 1 will .. butbis the diceroll into that 3 years of uncertainty wotth it ??

  72. 72 P_P_K said at 8:35 PM on March 26th, 2016:


  73. 73 Jernst said at 3:25 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I’m with you. If the 3 guys from our top ten remaining on the board are Hargreaves, Zeke and Stanley I’d rather trade back.

  74. 74 izzylangfan said at 9:07 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Do the Eagles have he ammunition to move up to get him?

  75. 75 A_T_G said at 9:28 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    To get to 2 it would probably take pick(s) from next year.

  76. 76 Dave said at 9:52 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    According to the trade chart, to get to #2, it would take our first this year and next, plus both our thirds this year and fourth rounder this year. 5 picks to move up 6 spots.

  77. 77 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:38 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    LOL paying that for any kid is insanity

  78. 78 BreakinAnklez said at 1:25 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    The draft chart doesn’t mean crap for Top 10 picks

  79. 79 Mr. Magee said at 11:57 AM on March 28th, 2016:


  80. 80 Wes Covington said at 9:52 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    FWIW – if one of the big concerns about Wentz is his ability to read defenses at the LOS then I would think wonderlic would provide some insights. I read somewhere that he scored 40 on the wonderlic which is a high score. I am not familiar with wonderlic details (score range, specifically what it measures, how reliable it is etc) and am too lazy to look it up. However, from reading Tommy’s blog I know that a bunch of you guys have that knowledge – and aren’t shy about sharing….

  81. 81 Dave said at 9:54 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Earlier this month it was reported he scored a 29.


  82. 82 Wes Covington said at 10:29 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Not a surprise I guess – different information floating around in cyber – I found the article that had Wentz’s wonderlic reported at 40 – it was Jimmy quoting Jaws – http://www.phillyvoice.com/unofficial-eagles-advisor-ron-jaworski-says-hed-take-jared-goff-or-carson-wentz-pick-no-8/

  83. 83 Dave said at 11:30 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    Yeah I saw that too. Misinformation season in full swing.

  84. 84 Jernst said at 2:55 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Yea I think Jaws was smoking some good stuff that day. 40 is damn near off the charts. Scores range from 0 to 50. A score of 21 is considered to correllate to an IQ of 100 (which is an average person’s IQ). A score of 16 to 22 suggests a limited capacity for anything outside of routine tasks. Here are samples of the average Wonderlic test scores for some professions:

    • Pharmacist, Chemist – 31

    • Salesperson – 24

    • Secretary – 22

    • Security Guard – 17

    A score of ten means you are basically illiterate. Vince Young famously scored a 6. McNabb scored a 14.
    To convert wonderlic to IQ score the most accepted formula for approximation is (Wonderlic Score)x2 + 60. Which would make a score of 40 equivelent to an IQ of 140 which is considered either near genius or full genuis level IQ depending on what scale is used. That would put Wentz in the top 0.4% of people in the world intelligence-wise…if you believe in the validity of the wonderlic test.

  85. 85 Wes Covington said at 3:39 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Thanks Jernst – lots of good information. So what is Wentz’s actual score then? The 29 that Dave cited? If true, then Wentz’s approximate IQ is 118 which is pretty middling. However, I guess one has to question his IQ for voluntarily playing football in North Dakota in the freaking winter….

  86. 86 Jernst said at 4:18 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Yea, his actual score was 29. At least that’s what I’ve seen reported everywhere. The only place I ever saw 40 was from Jaws’ hyperbolic mouth. An IQ score of 115-125 would put someone in the top 20-25% of American’s in terms of IQs. Granted, that accounts for all those people that live in the hills of West Virginia and the entire state of Mississippi, so the averages are pulled down a bit, haha. But, if he’s reliably got an IQ level in the top 1/5, that’s a pretty decent indicator that he’s plenty intelligent enough.

    You can go ahead and take a timed wonderlic test online and see how well you do, to get a frame of reference. The test is given without calculors, so you have to do everything buy hand with pen and pencil and you only get 12min to answer 50 questions. You get 1 point for each correctly answered question.


  87. 87 Jernst said at 4:38 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Also, I definitely feel the same way about his decision to play at NDSU. What the heck was the guy thinking. For many reasons. First off, it’s in North Dakota. Strike number 1. Has 10% more men than women. Strike 2. Doesn’t play Division 1-A football, depite having an offer to play for Central Michigan, he opted for NDSU. Strike 3. You’re telling me that there was no major college program offering to accept a 6’5” 250 pound QB that can run like the wind and make all the throws after his first season at NDSU? Anyone that would voluntarily stay in Fargo, ND needs to be questioned substantially and when so much was at stake both professionally and financially, that’s just crazy to me.
    It all seems to have worked out for him, but man…I’d be on the first train out of Fargo if I had any opportunity to do so.

  88. 88 Ankerstjernen said at 6:48 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    118 is not ‘middling’ actually. Its well above average. The middle is, by default, 100. But peoples IQ is dispersed along the spectrum like a bell curve. This means that the majority of everyone is quite close to the average – between 90 and 110. As you close in on 120, you are already among the smartest 10 to 15 percent of all people. If you have an IQ of 125 you are probably the smartest student in the classroom more often than not, at least if the class is made up out of randomly selected people (In a Harvard classroom, obviously, very intelligent people would be a more common occurence than in other places due to the selection process to even get there). Highly intelligent people are pretty rare, as it turns out. Almost everybody is slightly above or below the average. If Wentz has an IQ of 118, he is definitely more intelligent than most of the people commenting on this message board – and most other people too.

  89. 89 Wes Covington said at 7:01 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Point well taken – poor choice of a word on my part.

  90. 90 Ankerstjernen said at 7:13 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I was watching the Gruden camp-thing (Gruden is sneaky terrible to watch, but hey, its March and what else is on). Wentz comes across as extremely bright in these clips. Also, he seems like a very good natured person, he is relaxed and funny, laid back and confident. With all this talk about him coming from a small school it sure didnt seem like he is going to find the bright lights of the NFL too big for him. It actually sold me on him in terms of personality a little bit.

  91. 91 Wes Covington said at 8:01 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Gruden can be a polarizing guy (see every discussion on potential Eagle coaching candidates). I am not very knowledgeable on the nuts and bolts of QB’ing but the few times I have watched Gruden with the college QB’s he appears to be pretty sharp. That’s great that Wentz did “well” with Gruden. It seems to me the great QB’s have an intense desire to win and almost will their way to victory (of course they have terrific skill sets too). From the Gruden thing with Wentz did you get a sense of Wentz’s intensity?

  92. 92 Ankerstjernen said at 8:20 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    No, not in that setting. It was more that he seemed respectful yet relaxed about the whole thing. Very sharp but also funny at the same time. Not intimidated. It exuded confidence, like a person who is comfortable in his own skin and knows how to be himself and not worry about projecting a persona. He seemed natural. This might not sound very important and it probably is not, but then, like you say, personality is actually a big deal with QB’s. Wentz seemed like the kind of guy that everyone on a team will respect and want to play for. He struck me like the anti-RGIII or Dez Bryant and all of these other guys who worry so much about their status and fame and media that being in the spotlight gets them confused and wound up. Goff, in comparison, was fine too, but even his demeanor was a little stiff and polite and eager compared to Wentz. If I had to choose which one of them would come through under pressure, my instincts from those clips say Wentz.

  93. 93 Wes Covington said at 8:26 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Sounds good to me! Thanks for taking the time to share what you observed. It would be great to get a “franchise” QB – seems like we’ve been in the desert for a long time.

  94. 94 P_P_K said at 8:34 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I saw the show and, yea, I agree with you about Gruden. My concern about Wentz isn’t the bright lights, it’s the big, strong, fast past rushers and d-backs that he’s never remotely faced before.

  95. 95 Dominik said at 3:39 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Damn. I knew Fitzpatrick was very smart. He want to Harvard for crying out loud… But I respect his 48 wonderlic score in 9 minutes even more now, after you put it into context. Crazy.

  96. 96 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:22 AM on March 26th, 2016:

    I don’t see the point comparing our possible flirtation with Wentz to Gabbert, Lockert, EJ Manuel…. You wanna draft Wentz at #8? be my guest.. I’ll accept the risk….but no one had to sell their draft soul to trade up for Gabert, Lockert or Manuel
    A better comparison for connecting us to Wentz is RG3… Wentz doesn’t have to be destined to suck like Bob griffen, but trading away so much for one draft prospect is something I will NEVER be ok with… Im not OK with trading multiply high picks for my favorite player in a draft, let alone a kid im tempid a best about… Even when we fall in love with kids and see them as almòst can’t miss, every prospect comes with risk and bust potential.. The nature of football injuries alone adds a level of bust potential im not comfortable with..
    The MOST I will ever be ok with trading away moving up is swapping first rounders and including next years first round pick… Anything more than that is way Too Rich for my blood, and not just for Wentz, for ANY PROSPECT, in ANY DRAFT..

  97. 97 Jernst said at 2:42 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Agreed. Plus, consider that we’ve already sunk this years 2nd round pick into the QB position, so if you draft a QB in the 1st round Bradford’s not going to be here next year, that’s for sure. No way we pay him $22M on a one year rental deal with Daniels making good money too and a 1st round pick still sitting on the bench. If you draft a QB at 8 without trading up, I can live with the sunk cost of a 2nd already been spent to try out Bradford for 2 years. But, if you have to trade up for a QB this year and thus have to give up a third this year and possibly a third (or 2nd) next year and next years 1st round pick….hell, man, that is a lot of missing top picks in a short span to end up with one QB from NDSU. We’d have sunk this years 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks and next years 1st and 3rd (or possibly even 2nd) into a QB. That’s essentially two whole draft classes of starting talented on one player. Wentz would have to end up being a top 3 QB in the league for that to be worth it. If he turns into Joe Flacco or Andy Dalton or even Phillip Rivers, I’d say that was too much to spend.

  98. 98 Dominik said at 3:51 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I wouldn’t trade what the skins traded for Luck

    Despite his down year in 2015, I think 32 NFL GMs would disagree. Having the QB position fixed for 15 years with elite play is worth basically everything. You can’t pay that.

    Have to say though, Luck is an exception. He was one of the best QB prospects ever. Pro offense, wins at high level, arm strenght, accuracy, intelligence, athletic ability, reading defenses, makes all the throws, character clean as it gets.

  99. 99 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:58 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    That’s fine… But I have zero interest in trading away 5 top 100 draft picks for ANYONE!

  100. 100 meteorologist said at 4:48 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Definitely interesting. If you even look at the franchise QBs that haven’t won… What are the excuses? “They don’t have enough talent around them” so there’s an argument to be made for stockpiling talent instead of selling out for the best qb

  101. 101 Insomniac said at 11:52 AM on March 26th, 2016:


    How dumb can you be? Enjoy the CFL Hackenberg.

  102. 102 FairOaks said at 12:01 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Some team will take a flyer on him, UDFA at worst. If he falls far enough I’m sure Houston will take him as a hedge against Osweiler.

    You don’t want to hear him say that, but there could also be a fair amount of truth to it (Franklin not knowing how to use him). Kind of a hard place to be in — the politic thing to do would be to lie, but you do want to tell the truth. But the point of those interviews is to improve your draft status — so if you’re putting off teams, it’s the wrong answer.

  103. 103 Insomniac said at 12:05 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    UDFA at best.

  104. 104 FairOaks said at 12:15 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    He has probably taken himself out of a day 2 pick, but day 3 is still pretty likely I think. He can change minds with pro days and private workouts. It’d be pretty crazy to not take a QB with starting potential as long as it’s a low pick (i.e. not much invested so if he has a bad attitude he can be cut). Might be 5th-7th rounds, but I think he goes somewhere, and all it takes is one team to like him to go earlier. Maybe he did well in one interview even if he failed some others.

  105. 105 Insomniac said at 12:23 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    1. If he changes his answers then he’s already a liar. Even if the coach didn’t play him to his strengths, it doesn’t excuse his awful seasons.
    2. His physical gifts aren’t even better than guys like Brisset, Prescott, or Jones. And this is pretty much the only positive thing you can even say about Hackenberg.
    3. No one wants a QB that has poor accuracy and can’t read defenses. See Jake Locker.
    4. No one wants a QB that points fingers at everyone but himself.
    5. You’re pretty much taking a shot on a high school QB in Hackenberg since he has shown little to no improvement since his average freshman year.

    He has a high probability of going to the CFL.

  106. 106 FairOaks said at 12:34 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    If he can clarify his answers with softer wording, that could help. But it does sound like he has a chip on his shoulder about Franklin which would not be good.

    For all the stuff you state, he’s not going to be a high pick or even 3rd rounder almost certainly. But teams will also look at that tape trying to see if they are fixable problems, and what skills he *does* have that can’t be taught. He could well be a good guy to keep as a 3rd QB and see how he matures and improves in a couple years on the bench.

    If teams think the ability to read defenses is not there and will never come, they will pass. But if just one team or QB coach thinks they can “fix” him, and like his raw skills more than others, then sure he could be taken. He may end up in the CFL but my guess is some team will take a flyer on him first. You may prefer Prescott et al. but with 32 teams, some will have him in that mix (and those others could all be taken by the 6th or 7th rounds, when a team might want a 3rd QB, and have comp picks, etc.). He’d have to still have a bad attitude to get cut the first year probably.

  107. 107 Insomniac said at 12:52 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    You can twist anything about the wording but the message is still very very clear.

    No one would even want to be near the guy since all he does is throw people under the bus. Just look at RG3 and see how poorly that ended up. Who in their right minds would keep a player like that in their locker room?

  108. 108 FairOaks said at 1:22 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Cleveland? 😉

  109. 109 Insomniac said at 1:59 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Might as well add them to the list then


  110. 110 SteveH said at 4:35 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Best part about that list is it’s not even complete. The count is at 24 now.

  111. 111 Jack Waggoner said at 7:37 PM on March 26th, 2016:


  112. 112 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:25 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Throwing your coach under the bus was the dumbest thing he could have done… For starters, if it is true which it probably is to some extent, NFL a teams already are aware of it, so he gains nothing from throwing his coach under the Bus, but he comes off looking Horrible for it..,

    Coaches and QBs have to be Leaders, it’s in the damn job description… Just look at the difference between Andy Reid who always took the blame to protect his players compared to how bad chip is looking nationally for refusing to take any blame for anything,
    Scouts and Teams will KNOWS everything about Hackenberg and his career, they don’t need him to poïnt out the difference between his situation under OBrien compared to his situation under Franklin. He would have made a better impression if he tried to take all the blame and refused to throw Franklin under the Bus.
    Knowing very well the difference between what happened under OBrien compared to Franklin, if Im a GM, I would have purposely went into the meeting with Hack, with a strategy of trying to get him to throw his coach under the bus and see if he takes the bait…. According to a scout, he FAiILED!

  113. 113 Cafone said at 12:05 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Does it really matter if a 2nd tier QB goes in the 3rd or 5th round? He’ll get a shot on a team and he isn’t going to make much (relatively) on his first contract anyway.

  114. 114 Insomniac said at 12:06 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    2nd tier? Try 5th tier.

  115. 115 Dave said at 4:20 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Cmp / Att / Pct / Yds / Y / A / AY / A / TD / Int / Rate
    693 / 1235 / 56.1 / 8457 / 6.8 / 6.5 / 48 / 31 / 121.4 – Hackenberg
    619 1147 / 54.0 / 7639 / 6.7 / 6.2 / 53 / 35 / 119.1 – Jake Locker

    Hack and Locker had eerily similar numbers in college. Hack played 3 years vs 4 for Locker. Locker also had almost 2,000 yards rushing and was injured for 8 games.

    Locker never improved (for a poor Titans team) and was out of the NFL in 4 years after being taken at #8 overall.

    No real point to my post except it shows the wild swings and misses with first round QBs of desperate teams.

  116. 116 Dave said at 12:03 PM on March 26th, 2016:



  117. 117 Cafone said at 12:11 PM on March 26th, 2016:


  118. 118 FairOaks said at 12:22 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    That’s a nice little $6 million cap hit for the Titans. It’s always fun to come up with crazy trade ideas but that one doesn’t pass the smell test unless they got *really* disillusioned with Mariota, and they probably can’t do it financially anyways. Does Wentz have any skill set to his advantage over Mariota? 49ers might well do that trade but seems absurd from the Titans’ POV. They could easily trade down some and pick up a future 1st anyways while keeping Mariota.

  119. 119 daveH said at 1:07 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Titans shud ask for more..chip wud pay anything

  120. 120 oreofestar said at 1:29 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Titans wouldn’t do it

  121. 121 oreofestar said at 1:31 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I’d rather have Mariota and Tunsil than Wentz, Stanley and a 2017 first

  122. 122 Mac said at 1:58 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    In theory, they can trade back to #2 (get something) and still get Tunsil.

  123. 123 Dave said at 3:56 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Sure, if Cleveland has their heart set on Wentz and are worried about somebody trading in front of them for him. That would really be a win for the Titans.

  124. 124 RobNE said at 6:36 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Why would any team trade a more proven potential franchise QB for a lesser more unproven prospect, ever?

  125. 125 meteorologist said at 3:56 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Because 2 1st rounders???

  126. 126 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:45 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Interesting in a Madden football video game sort of way.. Flat out stupid in the real world…. Those are the types of trades that 13yr olds think of

  127. 127 Dave said at 2:58 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I agree, treating a potential franchise QB as a commodity surely wouldn’t go over too well in the locker room. I think what I found most interesting was that it was from Phil Savage, a former GM himself.

  128. 128 Ben said at 1:43 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I have been trying to do a mock draft for the Eagles without any trades, but I haven’t been able to get A+’s across the board.
    This one is my best so far.
    I will keep trying, but I wouldn’t be unhappy if our draft turned out like this.

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 8: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (A+)

    Round 3 Pick 14: Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State (A)

    Round 3 Pick 16: Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State (A+)

    Round 4 Pick 2: Jordan Jenkins, OLB, Georgia (A-)

    Round 5 Pick 14: Hassan Ridgeway, DT, Texas (A)

    Round 5 Pick 25: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A+)

    Round 6 Pick 13: Josh Ferguson, RB, Illinois (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 12: Cody Kessler, QB, Southern California (B)

    Round 7 Pick 30: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)

  129. 129 Media Mike said at 12:09 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Nice work.

    FYI – Even though he’s a 7th round draft pick, Kessler would have people up in arms as being Barkley II.

  130. 130 Mac said at 1:53 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    If the trade up happens… the article title should read “Howie Wentz for it.”

  131. 131 shah8 said at 2:20 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    The clips shown are basically Wentz going to his first read. He’s making good attempts at the throws he’s prepared to make. Can he make good throws when preferred plays aren’t there? Gary Busby and Cian Fahey thinks not. I mostly think that Wentz leans very hard on WR execution to lift his playmaking, which is dangerous to extrapolate to NFL.

  132. 132 RobNE said at 3:26 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    what do you think about Goff?

  133. 133 wee2424 said at 12:09 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Most NFL ready QB out of the big 3, but at the same time not NFL ready. I think Lynch and Wentz have higher ceilings, but Goff has a higher floor.

    If he were in last year’s draft he would 100% be considered a large step behind Winston and Mariota.

    In all honesty I really don’t think any of these QBS will pan out to be frachise QBs. I’m not a scout though, so I can very well be wrong.

  134. 134 Media Mike said at 12:12 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    That is the scary thing because I don’t know who is any better next year. Kaaya maybe?


    If Bradford doesn’t turn a corner………

    Daniel isn’t a long term starter.

  135. 135 wee2424 said at 12:30 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Agree, but I don’t think you draft someone at 8 because the options are worse next year. You could essentially just be wasting a high first round pick and still not having a QB.

    I would rather draft a good player at another position and not have a QB, versus drafting a crappy QB (essentially still not having a QB) and not getting a good player.

    Denver has shown that while very difficult you can win without having a franchise QB. They even managed to do it with the worst QB in the league last year.

  136. 136 Media Mike said at 12:53 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I’m totally with you on that. I’m just lamenting the lack of any long term slam dunk franchise QB on this team.

  137. 137 SteveH said at 4:34 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I mean he’s no Joe Webb, but the potential is there anyhow, even if it might be something he has to work on.

  138. 138 wee2424 said at 12:02 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    But is it enough potential for us to risk drafting at 8? Physically yes, mentally I’m really not sure. I wouldn’t pull the trigger, bit the coaches and scouting department know more then we do so who knows.

  139. 139 Media Mike said at 4:51 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    That is a good point of analysis.

  140. 140 P_P_K said at 8:31 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    The last thing the Eagles need is to use a top 10 pick on a 1-AA qb. Even if he is that rare guy who can become an NFL qb, it will take many years before he can lead an Offense since he has never played against anything like an NFL Defense.

  141. 141 wee2424 said at 12:04 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    To be fair none of these college QBS have ever played against anything like an NFL D.

    It’s his progression read that scares me the most. I think it’s far worse then the average QB that you would consider in the first round, yet alone in the top 10.

  142. 142 SteveH said at 4:34 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    I think this rumor is BS, we’re not the type of team to move up to #1. Between Elliot and this trade-up the Eagles are doing a masterful smokescreen job.

  143. 143 Jernst said at 4:48 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    This report made me smile from ear to ear:

    Patrick Robinson was a done deal, until he wasn’t.

    The Dallas Cowboys thought they had a deal in place with the free agent cornerback, but that was before Robinson switched agents from Kevin Conner to Ron Butler.

    Within 48 hours, the situation went from the Cowboys having a deal in principle with Robinson’s first agent Conner, to Robinson’s new agent, Butler, finding his client a three-year contract with the Indianapolis Colts on Wednesday afternoon.

    The Cowboys had hoped that landing Robinson would help crystallize their plans for cornerback Brandon Carr.

    Carr has gone without an interception since 2013, has a $9.1 million base salary and $13.8 million cap hit for the upcoming season.

    The Cowboys would like him to take a pay cut, but he refused a similar scenario last year. That could make him a candidate for release, except that the team is thin at cornerback.”
    A nearly $14M cap hit and hasn’t had an INT since 2013, hahahaha. And, they have no one else to take his spot. Even better!

  144. 144 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:13 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    The secondaries in our division are pretty screwed up.. Giants have two good corners but their safeties are a joke… The skins Culliver tore ligaments in his knee late in the season, I would think he won’t be playing to the best of his capabilities in September, it will probably take him a while to get back to what he was, which wasn’t anything special to begin with,,, Dallas has Scandrick and BYRON Jones, the rest of their DBs ARENT scaring anyone…
    As is, our Secondary is probably further ahead of all our rivals, but compared to the elite Secondaries, we still have a little work to do.. Another quality outside corner and a decent backüp Safety, and our secondary should be up there with the top units in the League….Bout time..

  145. 145 Rambo said at 6:20 PM on March 26th, 2016:


  146. 146 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:39 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I hate him in the top 10.., if we take him I hope we trade back a few spots first.
    Do you really wanna deal with the ridiculuos narrative of Roseman continuining to remove the stench of chip from the roster, and after years of Chip adding Oregon playërs, I am not in the mood to hear the ridiculuos narrative that would follow drafting VH, about how Roseman is showing how mighty powerful he is drafting a fellow Gator Alumni

  147. 147 Rambo said at 10:58 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Ok, so out of: VH3, Goff, Zeke & Stanley who would you pick?

  148. 148 Tumtum said at 8:50 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    We have a pretty good shot at having a really good secondary. There are multiple options on the outside, and at the nickle. The starting safeties both have to play well and stay healthy though. The depth there is concerning.

    Overall the defense has the ability to be a very elite unit. Lots of ifs involved, but I like that unit so much.

  149. 149 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:56 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Id agree with that… Most of our starting defense is in place, but we still have some work to do adding depth across the board.
    Remaining NEEDS:
    1) a backüp For Cox, who can pair with Cox on 3rd down as interior pass rushers, this player has to bring pass rush ability, he can’t just be another run stuffer.
    2) KEndricks is our WIL, Najee backs him up, which means we still need a Backup MIKE and a backup SAM… I assume we adress on with a modest free agent depth signing, and draft the other Backup LB
    3) I expect our starting safeties to be Phenomenal, but depending on how schwartz views Reynolds and Couplin, we may need a Backup Safety, Maragos is just a core ST player for us as far as I’m concerned
    4) we could add a 5th DE, but I’d rather find out exactly what we have in BG! Vinny, BARWIN and MS2 as 4-3 DEs before making a significant addition at DE
    5) Cornerback is The Key to how good this Defense can be, Im really high on Eric putting WRs on Death ROWE in yeàr two, thrilled to have a nolan back, and JaCorey and Leodis can handle nickel and Dime roles. We still need another outside CB, but Nolan, ROWE, Leodis, Shepard and the cornerback position will really determine the Level of Defense we see this year, if our corners do well, we should see a real nice defense this year.. If Not, I’d bet Schwartz has them playing at an elite level by yeàr two… But I am expecting a big improvement from the defenses we saw during the chip Charlatan Era

  150. 150 Tumtum said at 11:29 AM on March 28th, 2016:

    I’m most nervous about the safety depth. Not sure if you listed that in any sort of order. Agree with all the needs, but not really the ordering.

  151. 151 Jack Waggoner said at 6:47 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Cowboys got Gore’d

  152. 152 Rambo said at 7:29 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    So will they get Murray’d also?

  153. 153 Wes Covington said at 8:29 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Man, we are a sadistic bunch….gotta love it!

  154. 154 Rambo said at 6:33 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Free agent CB Brandon Boykin will visit the Panthers on Monday.

    It’s Boykin’s first visit, though he’s drawn interest from the Falcons. With Bene Benwikere moving outside last year, Boykin would play the slot in Carolina.

    Related: Panthers

  155. 155 A_T_G said at 6:39 PM on March 26th, 2016:


  156. 156 Dave said at 7:11 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Nobody wants a 5’9″ corner.

  157. 157 wee2424 said at 10:22 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    In the slot yes.

  158. 158 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:48 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Not according to all the people who want VH at #8…. Yuck. I sure hope not

  159. 159 wee2424 said at 10:21 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    Suprised he hasn’t generated more interest. He was a very good player for us on D and ST. Nickel CB is pretty much a starting position in the NFL anymore. It puzzles me how he went from what he was with us, to nor even being able to play in a Steelers D that was void of DB talent.

  160. 160 BlindChow said at 10:48 PM on March 26th, 2016:

    His situation in Pittsburgh sounded almost political from what I’ve read. The fans were clamoring for him, but the coaching staff wanted to reward players who had been with the team longer, even if they didn’t perform well.

  161. 161 wee2424 said at 1:48 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Don’t think that’s true. When Boykin picked up a fumble and returned it for 6 durring the PS Tomlin was running down the sideline screaming “I got it right”. Furthermore Tomlin has never come across as a political guy.

    They needed help at DB. They traded for him obviously because they thought he would be some type of upgrade in the slot. You don’t trade away draft picks just so you can sit a guy if he is better then the guy in front. Doesn’t make sense.

    I’m not 100% familiar with their FA and draft haul from last year, but with the scenario you brought up that would mean they draft and sign guys just to have them ride the bench over other players.

  162. 162 A_T_G said at 7:27 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I think you are right, there is something else going on with him. Two coaches now seem less interested in playing him than fans expect based on our perception of his talent level.

    He doesn’t seem like a bad locker room guy. He doesn’t seem lazy. He doesn’t seem to refuse coaching. But there is something going on. Without knowing, how can we know if we want him back?

  163. 163 Media Mike said at 7:44 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I also don’t know how much nickel Schwartz will play. I’d be open to bringing back Boykin after the draft if we still have a hole at CB.

  164. 164 wee2424 said at 11:58 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    It’s very true. Maybe just maybe it’s a Thurmond type situation in that he is ready to hang up the cleats. If I am correct I think he has suffered from aylt least one serious concusion. Maybe it has scared him. All reports do indicate he is a very intelligent young man. It’d possible that he realizes he can also have success away from the feild.

  165. 165 Tumtum said at 8:45 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Maybe the willingness of Philly to trade him, his lack of success in Pitt, compound his size issues? Maybe he is expecting far more money than teams are even considering paying so the visits never happen?

    It is very curious.

  166. 166 BlindChow said at 10:22 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    That’s just what I gathered from reading the comments of one of the Steelers blogs last season. Everyone was baffled.

  167. 167 wee2424 said at 11:54 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Gotcha. Yeah the situation definetly permits for many unusual speculations.

  168. 168 D3FB said at 8:01 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Ross Cockrell was a waiver claim late in camp and played alot more than Boykin.

  169. 169 anon said at 1:10 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    surprised no interest in coming to philly now that chip is gone, guess he prob wouldn’t start

  170. 170 Tumtum said at 8:43 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Maybe he is really being stubborn about the slot. Probably time to get over that and just play. I would love to see him on Carolina…for him anyway.

  171. 171 wee2424 said at 11:56 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    He would be a great fit in Carolina. With the D surrounding him it could be a career reguvenating move.

  172. 172 Media Mike said at 7:25 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Great win by Nova. Don’t know if it un-chokes some bad losses in the past, but a great win. Kempski was OWNING people on Twitter about it.

    Terrible work by the refs in screwing the Flyers out of a point last night. The Coyote’s 2nd goal shouldn’t have counted. That game should have been tied going to overtime. 2nd time in a week the Flyers were screwed out of a point by the refs.

    Sixers lose again. If they don’t get the top overall pick there needs to rioting the results in the entire NBA league office staff needs to be summarily executed.

    Interesting win for Andrew Ward last night as a stepping stone fight to an eventual fight vs. Kovalev.

    And again F the NCAA for having Nova at the same time as the Flyers. Nova should have been the early game.

  173. 173 Truthsayer said at 9:16 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I hate the way that this web site is formatted and the font is ridiculously tiny.

  174. 174 Dave said at 9:39 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Use the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl and + (Windows, Linux, and Chrome OS) and ⌘ and + (Mac).

  175. 175 Insomniac said at 11:39 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    what are you even viewing this from? A 100 inch 4k TV?

  176. 176 BlindChow said at 11:45 AM on March 27th, 2016:


  177. 177 Greg Richards said at 9:37 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Drafttek’s new automated mock draft would be pretty kick-ass for the Eagles

    1-8: Jalen Ramsey, CB/S, Florida State
    Sounds crazy but their first 7 is feasible: 1 – Tunsi/TEN; 2 – Wentz/CLE; 3 – Bosa/SD; 4 – Jack/DAL; 5 – Buckner/JAX; 6 – Stanley/BAL; 7 – Goff/SF

    3-77: Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford
    Don’t love him here but I’ve seen him rated as high as the #4 OT in the draft.

    3-79: Chris Jones, DT/DE, Mississippi State

    4-100: Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford
    It’s weird with Hogan. People either love him(seen him rated as high as 3rd best QB in draft) or hate him(seen him rated as 7th rder/UDFA)

    5-153: Eric Murray, CB, Minnesota
    Comment: Good value here, but not sure if needed with Ramsey already drafted.

    5-164: Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas

    6-188: Rees Odhiambo, OG, Boise State

    7-233: Travis Feeney, LB, Washington

    7-251: Kenny Lawler, WR, California

  178. 178 Dave said at 9:41 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Ramsey alone makes this draft a winner to me.

  179. 179 ACViking said at 10:01 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Hard to see JAX or BALT passing on Ramsey if he got that far.

    One team’s head coach got the job because he coached a defense with, maybe, the best safety in football who could cover from bench to bench.

    The other had Ed Reed all those years.

  180. 180 Greg Richards said at 11:01 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Not likely, but arguable. Both teams have serious needs at those respective positions and both guys are rated in the general area of where they’re selected.

  181. 181 Media Mike said at 11:42 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Weird to see Feeney that late. I’d love to get a year of NFL workouts under his belt and put his 6-4 self at SAM.

  182. 182 Media Mike said at 12:02 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    How about this run though of drafting vs. 31 heroin fiends?

    Your score is: 9061 (GRADE: A-)

    Round 1 Pick 8: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 2: Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas (A)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Harlan Miller, CB, Southeastern Louisiana (A)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Paul McRoberts, WR, Southeast Missouri State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Dan Vitale, FB, Northwestern (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Jordan Lucas, SS, Penn State (A)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Stephen Weatherly, DE, Vanderbilt (A)

  183. 183 Mitchell said at 1:45 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Kenny Lawler that low? Did something happen that I missed with him?

  184. 184 Insomniac said at 1:48 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Poor combine.

  185. 185 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:07 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I thought we would have signed a WR in FA, drafted a WR in rounds 3-6, and trade for WR, but Roseman opted to sign two FA WR instead of trading for one, which Is fine by me..
    But im still holding out hope that Roseman has one more trade up his sleeve, acquiring a player like Mufasa, or Sproles who goes on to help us for 3 or 4 years for a 4th or 5th round pick
    Whether Roseman can trade for a veteran or not, im stil holding out hope that he can ATleast trade Taylor Hart away for a bag of donuts.
    A quality draft by HOWIE would make this a Homerun offseason, which we desperately needed

  186. 186 Media Mike said at 10:10 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I’m on “wait and see” mode with the 90 man roster until after the draft.

    I just need to make sure that our draft doesn’t include any reaches and our 53 includes a better starting guard than Barbre Doll / Turnstile Tobin and doesn’t include Barner.

  187. 187 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:22 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Building this roster was never going to be a one offseason job unfortunately… But they will definitely be drafting Lineman after not drafting any since we took Lane in 2013

  188. 188 Media Mike said at 10:26 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Yup. Just keep doing the right things slowly but surely.

  189. 189 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:42 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    There is nothing to wait and see about, what Howie does in late April DOESNT change the fact that he had a great March…. Judge HOWIE on each individual move and so far he has done a great job…. If he makes a dumb move later, I will rip him accordingly, but so far, he has done a more than solid job, and deserves praise for it …

  190. 190 Mark Sitko said at 10:32 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I don’t see it Tommy – Wentz looks very amateur to me – it seems projecting him to play at a regular college level is a stretch…in the NFL? I mean, he has all the tools – it is just that NONE of his tape gives any indication he can handle a real pass rush, real secondary players, or even throw with the force needed to get the ball where it needs to be in the NFL. Sure, he could magically have all those skills…we just have nothing to show us that is true today.

    You mention the Senior Bowl – and you say it perfectly “The level of competition concern should have been eased at the Senior Bowl, where Wentz was easily the best QB.” He was the best QB down there, but the res6t SUCKED. He looks great playing in the college minors too – I am just pointing out there was no real competition their either – AND he did nothing spectacular in the game…lots of check downs. He may have practiced well, but his game was very tame.

    I hope cowboys take Wentz at 4 – only player worth trading up for in this drast if Tunsil.

  191. 191 anon said at 10:50 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    think people can’t admit top of draft is as weak as it is. i’m ok w. wentz if doug can develop a qb, otherwise trade back, stack picks retool team. we actually have a ton of 3rd round ammo, basically 3 third round picks, great time to fix guard problem.

  192. 192 P_P_K said at 11:25 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    I’m with you, I just can’t see taking a 1-AA kid with such a high pick based on hopes and dreams he can be a franchise qb.

    I like your idea of the Cowboys taking him. Hicks can knock out Romo again, and the Eagles pass rush can then terrorize Wents.

  193. 193 RobNE said at 11:57 AM on March 27th, 2016:

    Was Ben 1-AA or just a smaller AAA school?

  194. 194 Joe Minx said at 12:26 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Roethlisberger? He went to Miami of Ohio. That’s a MAC school (FBS).

  195. 195 James Adair said at 12:04 AM on March 30th, 2016:

    NDSU would win the MAC. I think everyone is underestimating FCS a little.

  196. 196 anon said at 12:26 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    BGN has a rumor that we’re moving up for Ramsey/Jack not Wentz.

  197. 197 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:40 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Stupid Rumor… No one trades a kings Ransom for a corner, and Ramsey is way more valuable as a safety than a corner, and we have no room for a starting Safety for the first time in a decade

  198. 198 Mitchell said at 1:15 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    That’s why I get confused as to why people would be so willing to pull the trigger on Wants not not for Lunch. Ive seen Lynch avoid pass rush, I’ve seen him makes the throws in the videos above, he’s similar size and has played against high level competition. I don’t really care what Bucky Brooks says about one game. Of Wentz is an option at 8, why isn’t Lynch?

  199. 199 Insomniac said at 1:21 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Lynch is a Cowgirls fan.

  200. 200 Mitchell said at 1:33 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    O, that’s why…… That’s too bad.

  201. 201 ICDogg said at 1:41 AM on April 6th, 2016:

    Right, Lynch seems to be off our radar and I’m not sure why

  202. 202 anon said at 12:28 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Kempski had an article about moving up vs moving down. What do people think? I understand need to have draft picks from a cap management perspective – but it’d be interesting to me if a gm just always sold up for top prospects and then had nothing at the end of the draft. Like what if you stopped picking after rds 2 or 3 and then just had UDFAs etc.

  203. 203 Media Mike said at 12:54 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Up only. We were promised access to a “top 10” player by moving up to 8, so I don’t want to drop.

  204. 204 Insomniac said at 1:17 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I’m in the stay put camp. I didn’t like the guys that might have been available at 13 and I sure as hell wouldn’t be happy with the guys at the 20s. If Chip donkey Kelly didn’t squander away our 2nd then we would be in great draft position.

  205. 205 anon said at 1:19 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    don’t think second was squandered qb position is way stronger now than before.

  206. 206 Insomniac said at 1:20 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Unless Bradford finally has that magical breakout season then I’ll always see the Bradford trade as a waste of a second.

  207. 207 anon said at 1:26 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    look at nick foles

  208. 208 Insomniac said at 1:31 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    look at Bradford and tell me that he’s the future with a straight face.

  209. 209 anon said at 1:49 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    i don’t think bford was the issue with the offense last year. i think he has the talent to be what you want, but he can;t do it all himself.

  210. 210 P_P_K said at 2:46 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    I am hoping you are right.

  211. 211 Dave said at 2:34 PM on March 27th, 2016:
  212. 212 P_P_K said at 2:45 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Agreed, but the Rams will have swapped a nothing qb for a nothing qb while gaining a quality draft pick.

  213. 213 anon said at 11:43 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    true, that’s a high second. still no qb prospects though

  214. 214 Mitchell said at 1:43 PM on March 27th, 2016:

    Well, I guess I would have to know the “success” rates of 4-740th rounders compared to UDFAs. My fear would be you would have a roster heavy in top talent taking up a few spots and then a fallout at others. In this League it seems it is important to have top talent in key positions like qb, OT, Edge and one secondary player. I guess I would go with quality over quantity because the impact potential is more for higher picks.

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