Eagles Are No. 2

Posted: April 20th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 688 Comments »

Another boring day in Eagles World.


There was a lot of talk, but I wasn’t sure they would actually make the move.


The Eagles gave up a lot, but they’re going up to get a QB. Go watch Howie Roseman’s interviews and he will explain things pretty well.

Press conference

Interview with Dave Spadaro

The Eagles believe this is a unique opportunity. It was too good to pass up. They decided to go all-in and move up for a QB to be the future of the franchise.

I would feel completely comfortable with this move if it was for Jared Goff.

Unfortunately, I think Goff will go number one and the Eagles will be drafting Carson Wentz. I think Wentz is a very talented prospect with a bright future, but he feels like less of a sure thing than Goff. The good news is that Sam Bradford and Chase Daniel will be the QBs for this year and probably next. Wentz will have plenty of time to develop behind the scenes. He has NFL talent. He needs time and coaching.

Is it smart for the Eagles to move up, not knowing for sure who the player will be? That is strange, but that tells you they like both players quite a bit. The QBs are different, as Roseman explained, but both are quite good and have the potential to be stars.

I’m sure some people will see this as a knee-jerk move. The Eagles got into the Top 10 and then just decided to roll the dice. That’s not what happened. The Eagles have been scouting Goff and Wentz since last summer. I have a North Dakota State game on my DVR from August 29th. I knew about Wentz back then. The Eagles sure as heck knew about him. Goff was projected as a possible Top 10 pick all year. I still have a handful of Cal games on my DVR that I’ve studied a few times.

The Eagles got to see Wentz at the Senior Bowl. Doug Pederson, Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie watched 3 days of practices. The Eagles met with both QBs at the Combine. Then the Eagles loaded up the plane and went to work both players out at their respective colleges. Finally, the Eagles brought both players to the NovaCare Complex for final interviews and to do any medical checks they wanted.

I don’t think the Eagles have ever studied 2 QB prospects more than this.

That doesn’t guarantee the pick will work, but the Eagles are going to make a very informed decision. This will not be “what the heck, let’s go for it” kind of stuff. Roseman and Pederson may be tying their job security to this pick.

And let’s be honest. This move does involve serious risk.

There is so much potential value in landing a stud QB that I think the risk can be worth the price the Eagles paid. It all depends on how much you believe in the prospect. I’m firmly in the Goff camp. I appreciate the physical skills that Wentz has, but he does have some issues that make me nervous.

I know people want an immediate conclusion…good move or bad move? I want to see who the Rams pick and I want more time to wrap my head around this situation. I just didn’t expect this deal to happen so quickly, if at all. I thought a trade might happen next Tuesday or Wednesday. Seeing 2 trades before we even get to draft week is nuts. I don’t ever recall something like this happening.

No matter what, I do give the Eagles credit for taking a chance. You don’t build a Super Bowl team without taking some risks. Remember that Peyton Manning had all kinds of health concerns when Denver signed him. Aqib Talib has had serious character issues. DeMarcus Ware was 32 and coming off a 6-sack season when the Broncos signed him. Those risky moves happened to pan out and Denver got another Lombardi for the trophy case.

QB is the most important position in all of sports. To get the right one, you have to do a lot of looking and you can pay a high price. The Eagles made a move today that could help take the franchise to the next level. Or it could pushing Roseman and Pederson a lot closer to the unemployment line.

Just keep your fingers crossed that the Rams shock us all and pick Wentz.


688 Comments on “Eagles Are No. 2”

  1. 1 Greg Richards said at 11:47 PM on April 20th, 2016:

    Yeah, sorry but I like Wentz more.

  2. 2 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:04 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I know that I have seen enough of Goff not to love him. I haven’t seen enough of Wentz to have an opinion, so for me Wemtz simply wins by default

  3. 3 philllyfanatic said at 11:50 PM on April 20th, 2016:

    Pray that Bradford has a good year and remains healthy so that he can be flipped after 2016 for a pick or two.

  4. 4 Sb2bowl said at 12:08 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    That’s my hope. He plays along his career average, and someone will give up at least a 3 for him.
    I like Bradford, and if he succeeds this year, then the Eagles have a good problem on their hands.

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 4:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I you flip Bradford for a 2nd; you mitigate what we overpaid in the deal.

  6. 6 Dominik said at 5:07 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think flipping Bradford next year is part of the plan for Howie. Daniels is viewed from the organisation as an excellent backup. They want to have a good backup after seeing everything melt down last year with Sanchez.

    You simply don’t invest this much and then sit a guy for 2 years. That’s bs. You sit him this year and you hope he makes it really tough for you to sit him (not: Bradford makes it really hard to sit him, obviously).

    In a dream scenario Bradford plays good and you get a 2nd, maybe even the 1st back. QB market is crazy sometimes. We paid a 2 for Bradford coming of his second ACL. The Browns reportedly were offering a 1st. Now: this wasn’t smart, neither from Chip nor from the Browns. But still.

    I think it was the plan from Howie to get one high pick he invested in Wentz back.

  7. 7 Mitchell said at 11:56 PM on April 20th, 2016:

    Lots of picks traded but what if the Eagles didnt trade and their picks turned out like that turd of a 2011 draft?

  8. 8 Insomniac said at 12:14 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Fire Howie if that happens. This draft could be a turd too since we don’t really have much picks.

  9. 9 Cafone said at 12:31 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Well technically they have 7 picks.

  10. 10 Insomniac said at 12:35 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Better hope Howie uncovered a bunch of gems in the last half of the draft.

  11. 11 Anders said at 2:03 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    In 2011 the best picks was the late round picks

  12. 12 quest4fire said at 1:06 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Howie’s job is safe regardless, he is just a front for Lurie. That’s why he has been employed so long. Lurie is portrayed as a non-meddlesome owner when in reality he is very hands on. He’s not as bad as Danny boy Synder or Jerry Jones but he’s in the same ballpark.

  13. 13 Media Mike said at 4:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Let’s be honest; none of us were posting good advice in the form of First-pick simulations in 2011 to help the team avoid that problem.

  14. 14 Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran said at 12:01 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’d bet the house that LA takes Goff because it’s not just a football decision for them, it’s also a business decision. Moving into LA, you need W’s right away and Goff is more NFL-ready to step in and do just that. Also, the whole Cal thing with echos of Aaron Rodgers – that will help build up the SoCal fanbase.

    So like it or not (and I actually like it), it’ll be Wentz for us.

  15. 15 laeagle said at 1:11 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Unfortunately, the “Cal” thing has zero resonance in SoCal. It’s like another country, not just another state. Cal is in the Pac 12, but it doesn’t register as anything like a home team. People outside of California never understand this.

  16. 16 Media Mike said at 4:57 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yeah, the “Day 1 starter” in a new city thing is really what works in the case of the Rams.

    I wouldn’t be all excited if we got the “home town” guy from Pittsburgh to start on this team.

  17. 17 quest4fire said at 12:54 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Right, Cal is NorCal which is totally different than SoCal (USC & UCLA)

  18. 18 James Adair said at 1:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Agreed, but North Dakota is another Universe.

  19. 19 D3FB said at 9:47 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    LA is as far from the Bay as Philly is from Chapel Hill. Would drafting a QB from UNC be gettinig the local kid?

  20. 20 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 9:59 AM on April 21st, 2016:


  21. 21 Brian Baty said at 12:03 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    That was a great game, August 29th, on your dvr. Tony romo called the grizzly stadium the loudest he’s ever played in. GO GRIZ!!

  22. 22 Greg Tulino said at 12:10 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    The Rams are taking Goff. It seems like a certainty. So lets focus on Wentz. I agree that the team did everything it could to learn all about these prospects and the fact that they pulled the trigger tells me they believe that Wentz is their guy. Now we likely wait for the next 2 years or more to find out if we got our franchise guy.

  23. 23 Insomniac said at 12:11 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    If Wentz does pan out then Howie is some sort of prophet.

  24. 24 ChoTime said at 9:53 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Let’s not go there. Wentz is a decent prospect and they’re rolling the dice. If it works, we are all going to be happy campers. If not, well, it’s going to kind of suck around here.

  25. 25 BlindChow said at 10:22 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Eh, it’s not like Howie is the only one who thinks Wentz is the best QB in the draft.

  26. 26 James Adair said at 1:31 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    But he is the only one who has put his money where his mouth is.

  27. 27 Iskar36 said at 12:11 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    While I agree that trading up without 100% certainty which of the two QBs will be there suggests that they like both guys, I would bet that they are not making a guess at who the Rams are taking. The Eagles FO knows who the Rams are targeting and made this move accordingly. They have a preference between Goff and Wentz and know the Rams are not targeting their guy.

  28. 28 Cafone said at 12:13 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    “The good news is that Sam Bradford and Chase Daniel will be the QBs for this year and probably next.”

    Probably next? If this guy isn’t ready to go in 2017, a season in which he will turn 25 years old, then this trade was a huge bust.

  29. 29 Charlie Kelly said at 12:15 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Im in Wentz camp. But wouldnt be mad Goff.

  30. 30 Charlie Kelly said at 12:17 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    heres a good review of wentz in the 2014 championship game, they break it down play by play. Its worth watching. They made video last summer, so its well before all wentz pre draft hype. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoaSdXzGmXE

  31. 31 Cafone said at 12:24 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    link plz

  32. 32 Charlie Kelly said at 12:32 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    its there, refresh the page, i forgot it and had to edit the post.

  33. 33 Cafone said at 12:33 AM on April 21st, 2016:


  34. 34 Iskar36 said at 12:17 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It’s interesting that you see Goff as the more sure thing QB relative to Wentz. It seems some others see it the other way around. I’m sure at some point we will obviously get into this but any reason you think some view Wentz as the clearer #1 guy over Goff and vice versa? Obviously different scouts see things differently, it just is interesting to read “he feels like less of a sure things than Goff” here right after hearing the exact opposite from Greg Cossell (he said it on some Podcast I was listening to earlier, either the Eagles Podcast or Bill Simmons, but I can’t remember).

  35. 35 Cafone said at 12:22 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    They both have multiple areas that could be called advantages and disadvantages, but if you wanted to be really succinct about it I think you would say that Goff has the technical ability you want but lacks some physical attributes you would rather have and Wentz has all the physical attributes you want but has some technical flaws.

  36. 36 big Jes not here for grammar said at 1:08 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Only bad things I hear about Wentz is small school. Never played against elite talent . But that really has little to do with ability . He actually seems more ray to start in NFL as be played in a more pro system made reads at line called his own pays ect..

  37. 37 Cafone said at 1:53 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    try this one for a review that is more on the critical side: https://eaglesrewind.com/2016/04/17/carson-wentz-scouting-report/

  38. 38 Jack Waggoner said at 2:37 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    So hard to project. I mean, sometimes on these YouTube clips he reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger. Other plays, not so much.

  39. 39 D3FB said at 9:44 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Cons on Wentz:
    -22 games at FCS on a team infinetly more talented than everybody else
    -Inconsistent accuracy
    -Doesn’t yet have ability to move defense

    Cons on Goff:
    -Small hands
    -Not built like brick shithouse at 21
    -Doesn’t throw ball as far as Jamarcus Russell

  40. 40 ChoTime said at 9:55 AM on April 21st, 2016:


  41. 41 D3FB said at 9:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    But true…

  42. 42 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:01 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It’s not even worth worrying about what people say, you can find smart people who have completely different opinions on these kids. There are analyst I respect that claim Goff is NFL ready, but I have also heard analysts say that they think Goff is further away from being ready to play…
    Everyone has a different opinion, for our sake, we need Roseman to be right

  43. 43 Iskar36 said at 8:46 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yea, obviously. My question though is, from the perspective of a talent evaluator who puts Goff ahead (Tommy), can they see why other talent evaluators see it the other way around. Obviously everyone here wants Howie to be right.

  44. 44 Ark87 said at 9:40 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Or more importantly, the Rams to be wrong lol

  45. 45 sonofdman said at 12:21 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think we will be fine as long as Howie only traded away the picks he was going to use to pick busts and kept the picks he was going to use to pick good players.

  46. 46 Cafone said at 12:32 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    If that’s the case then there must be a ton of talent in rounds 5-7 this year.

  47. 47 big Jes not here for grammar said at 1:16 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    What did we really give up ? A 8th overall that shouldhave been a 13 th but for a great trade none of us could have forseen by the great one. A 3rd we had 2 and a fourth that was improved only by a miracles trade by Sir Howie (yes he was just knighted.) So not to bad next year’s 1st hurts but if we can play well should be a late 1st and particularly if Sammy can play well we can possibly recoup that pick or at least get a,2nd for him. We gain the 4th back we lostthis year and its Cleland so should be a better 4th . A 2nd 3 yrs from know when we are having our parade will mean nothing

  48. 48 Cafone said at 1:52 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I agree except I’m not sure about the Cleveland 4th rounder because it is supposedly conditional somehow.

  49. 49 big Jes not here for grammar said at 9:15 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    chances are wentz wont start this year so should be fine with conditional really don’t see how we gave up much a 1st and a 3rd by time the 2nd comes due either we are so happy it don’t matter or he flopped and we are most likely in position to after another early first . actualy thing I hate most is it knocks down some good players so dallas and giants will get a better pick

  50. 50 milx said at 12:45 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’ve been watching Wentz tape and I just don’t see what makes him #2 pick in the draft special.

  51. 51 nopain23 said at 1:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Exactly…..dont..drink the kool aid my friend!!!

  52. 52 Greg Tulino said at 12:49 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It was exciting to get today’s news and think towards the future with a potential franchise QB waiting in the wings. I have to admit that I was really stoked to watch the draft , but now not so much. The drama for me and our Eagles is pretty much over. I was anxious to see how the picks came off the board and see which potential stud player ( Non-QB ) that the Eagles would have taken at #8. Is anyone else a bit disappointed that there won’t be much suspense for us Eagles fans at this point. Part of me wishes we somehow had the ammunition to get back into the back half of the first round or the second round. Short of trading Sam Bradford ( Which is not happening) I don’t see how it could be done.

  53. 53 big Jes not here for grammar said at 1:19 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    No anticipation is not as good as confidence . And who knows fenders 1st or even 2nd For Sammy isn’t likely but also not impossibility

  54. 54 RC5000 said at 1:27 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Oh well yesterday fans were complaining draft was 8 days away.

  55. 55 Media Mike said at 5:00 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Don’t forget, there is an inevitable march towards the Cowboy at 4, Giants at 10, and Washington at 21 all taking players who suck.

  56. 56 xeynon said at 9:42 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Ehhh, I’m already having nightmares about the Cowboys taking Ramsey at 4 and him turning into a shutdown corner who tortures us for the next decade. A scenario of him picking off Wentz and taking it to the house to lead to a big Cowboys win and drop the Eagles to 3-11 a few seasons hence would get Howie fired and is not out of play.

  57. 57 Mac said at 9:54 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    So, you’d rather have the Cowboys draft Romo’s replacement and be set at QB another 10 years like the Colts?

    Or, you’d rather the Browns draft Wentz and Ramsey falls to the Cowboys at 4 anyway?

    Or, you’d rather the Chargers draft Ramsey (which is still hasn’t changed)

    Or you’d rather the Cowboys throw caution to the wind and draft Zeke?!

  58. 58 xeynon said at 10:42 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m not commenting on the Eagles’ trade up. I’m far from sold on it, but I agree with you that it’s irrelevant as to how the first round ultimately plays out. I’m just saying I’m not as confident as Media Mike is that our rivals are going to draft bad players.

  59. 59 Mac said at 11:09 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    That is the down side of the Cowgirls having a bad season, but I’m still hoping that Jerry calls the shots and takes Zeke?! at 4.

  60. 60 Jernst said at 12:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Good catalog of videos of his plays from entire games if anyone is interested:


  61. 61 big Jes not here for grammar said at 12:57 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I couldn’t disagree with you more on Goff over Wentz but that’s my opinion. But what we really need to do is keep our fingers crossed and hope Sammy is lights out this year and we can haul back some of theses, picks next year. Then again maybe the is a trade already in the works for fencers #1 for SB?

  62. 62 big Jes not here for grammar said at 1:03 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Come on Tommy we all know your smarter then that . You really think Howie doesn’t have a promise from LA who they are taking? Also both QBS have same agent in sure he was in the loop to make all this work. Smile wink nod

  63. 63 Brendan Ekstrom said at 1:26 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I can’t see the Rams taking wentz. I feel like they want a qb to play now and that seems to be Goff. The only thing that gives me hope here is having all of the good qb people the Eagles have in the locker room to hopefully school wentz to where he needs to be. I also feel like that though a lot of qbs were drafted high and failed in recent years they didn’t sit like qb’s used to and have the luxury of the Aaron Rodgers treatment. Some of them may have panned out in different scenarios. Hopefully this works for the Eagles. My biggest concern is wentz going small school to Eagles. Not just NFL but to one of the least forgiving fan/media bases in the business.

  64. 64 Jack Waggoner said at 1:50 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Think Denver would give up a 2nd for Bradford?

  65. 65 Greg Tulino said at 1:57 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Not a chance. In addition they do not want to pay 18 million for a QB. They don’t even want to pay Caep 14 mil. If Bradford plays well and stays healthy next year then we might be able to get a 2nd for Bradford next offseason to help recoup a draft pick we gave up to get Wentz.

  66. 66 RC5000 said at 2:00 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    His salary this year is 7 million. He’d be a bargain and he’s better than Kaepernick.

  67. 67 Greg Tulino said at 2:02 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I believe SB cap hit is like 12 million. I just do not think Denver wants him IMHO. I would love to be wrong because I would love to get a 2nd round pick for this draft. Just do not see it happening.

  68. 68 Cafone said at 2:16 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I don’t know why Denver wouldn’t be all over Bradford. They have a team that’s good enough to win another Super Bowl with Bradford at QB and they are going to let Sanchize throw it away?

  69. 69 RC5000 said at 2:24 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    2016 – 7 MILLION Salary. 11 million dead money accelerated on our cap.

    Denver would have 7 million salary this year and 13 million salary + 4 million roster bonus in 2017.


    Basically for a year they get Bradford for Chase Daniel money.

  70. 70 RC5000 said at 1:58 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I don’t know what Eagles would ask for. We paid 11 million to him that goes on our cap also so they’d be getting a bargain too.

  71. 71 Cafone said at 2:02 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think that’s a little greedy. I’d say a third but the problem with Denver is they are picking at the end of rounds so their 3rd is almost a 4th etc…

  72. 72 Insomniac said at 2:49 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    If there’s going to be a Bradford trade, it’ll happen on draft day.

  73. 73 Media Mike said at 5:03 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yup. Possibly on day 3 as teams miss on guys they wanted. Maybe get a 2016 4 and a conditional 2017 pick that can slide from a 4th up to a 2nd depending on Bradford’s play. I’d target the Jets.

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 5:01 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Somebody needs to!

  75. 75 Jernst said at 1:51 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    decent analysis of some of wentz’s good and bad traits:


  76. 76 Anders said at 2:07 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I like the trade.

    Yes Wentz has his problems, but how often can a 2nd overall pick sit and learn for a year?

    While some QBs can start from day 1, just watch how much Bortles improved from year 1 to year 2 and I think a guy like Aaron Rodgers is only who he is because he had time to sit and learn and better his mechanics.

  77. 77 Insomniac said at 2:48 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz is far behind Bortles in development though and they’re the same age..

  78. 78 Anders said at 3:21 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Does age matter? yes, but its not like Wentz is Weeden old.

    The normal draft age for QBs is 22-23. Bortles was on the early end and 15 years ago, a QB like Bortles would have stayed another year in college

  79. 79 Insomniac said at 3:54 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I would say this is an unfair comparison. Bortles was thrown into the fire when he got drafted. Wentz has very similar flaws and then even more flaws compared to Bortles coming out of college. I hope Wentz is as smart as the media make him out to be.

  80. 80 Anders said at 5:38 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think wentz has fewer flaws than bortles coming out. Bortles throwing motion was super crap and still is

  81. 81 Media Mike said at 5:04 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    “While some QBs can start from day 1………”

    Day 1 starters are rare, but i agree I’d like to see the sit and learn approach. I’m more more interested in seeing him start on day 3651 than day 1.

  82. 82 A_T_G said at 7:15 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I believe day 3651 will be in the year 2026.

  83. 83 sonofdman said at 9:30 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I believe that in 2026, Nick Foles will still have 987 years left as the Eagles starting QB.

  84. 84 ChoTime said at 9:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Really? Aaron Rodgers is great because he had a year to sit? Come on…

  85. 85 Jernst said at 2:16 AM on April 21st, 2016:


  86. 86 unhinged said at 10:25 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    So J, is your strong opposition to this trade up softening up a tad?

  87. 87 Jernst said at 12:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Maybe a little. The thing is, I’m not opposed to the idea of trading up for a QB in general (QBs the most important position, it’s absolutely vital to sustained meaningful success to have a top QB, it’s the easiest position to turn around and recoup valuable assets by trading a player, we don’t have a settled franchise guy in place, and not much else matters until we do, and we were in the rare position to be within striking distance of the top few picks, given the lack of quality starters already in the league and the probability that a whole host of older guys like Brees, Brady, Eli, Palmer, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Romo are going to be retiring all around the same time in the next few years, making the demand sky rocket). That all makes sense to me. I appreciate Howie’s rationale on that. And, if you’re going to take a risk like this which, let’s be honest, is substantial, I think these are all good reasons to be willing to accept that risk, in theory.

    The part where it starts to break down for me is with the particular player available. Regardless of how true everything I wrote above is, trading away a ton of valuable assets for the next Kyle Boller does nothing for you. Heck trading this much for the next Alex Smith or Ryan Tannehill or Andy Dalton could certainly be argued as not enough return on this investment, because with Bradford, I feel like we already have that.

    You might even argue that ending up with someone even as good as Matthew Stafford wouldn’t make this worth it (Stafford has an overall losing record as a starter and has never won a playoff game despite playing with one of the greatest WRs in the history of the league). Yea, yea, yea … Football is a team sport and the Lions have had plenty of issues over his career that weren’t his fault. But, how good is a QB that can’t even break .500 or win one playoff game with Megatron. Heck in 7 years as a starter he’s only played in two wild card games and lost both. If we’re 7 years into Carson Wentz’s career and he still hasn’t advanced past the wild card round and has an overall record below .500, no one’s going to be happy about this trade.

    Literally, the only way this provides you any benefit whatsoever is if he becomes a top teir QB, which is truly invaluable. I’d give up twice as much as we did to have a top 5 QB. I just don’t watch his limited tape and see what some other people are seeing. I’m far from an expert in evaluating QBs, but I’ve watched other players college careers and saw what the hype was about.

    He has an awkward way of waiting very very long in the pocket to make a decision, he has poor mechanics, his accuracy is all over the place, he’s horrendous as a deep passer, his ball is not a tight spiral at all and wobbles quite a bit, he has some throws that jump off the screen as elite throws, but many more where he seems unsure and either lofts it or drills it unnecesarily. He takes a lot of sacks. He rarely comes off his first read. He didn’t really put up dominant numbers against Div-1AA competition despite playing a team that was stacked relative to his opponents. His senior year when he got injured the team actually played better without him. When he returned for their Championship game he completed just 55% of his passes for 197 with 1 TD and 2 INT. Against Jacksonville State. Whats Seattle going to do to him? He completed less than 60% of his passes in 3 out of 7 games last year. He threw for more than 300 yards just once.

    I see him flash some serious talent here and there, but not enough that I feel he’s very likely to ever be a top guy. The most likely scenario in my opinion is that we’re able to eventually trade him and recoup a decent amount of the picks we gave up for him before people realize hes a bust. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Bradford comes into this year with a chip on his shoulder and perhaps forces our hand by playing really well. I think it’s actually more likely that Bradford ends up being extended rather than Wentz. At which point, it’s a lateral move to give up so much and then trade him to try and at best recoup most of what we spent on him.

    There’s things about our particular situation that kind of mitigate all his myriad of issues that need to be worked out and lessen the blow of all we gave up. He has the opportunity to sit for up to 2 years if he needs to. He has a great QB friendly coaching staff and system to run. The roster doesn’t have any glaring holes. The picks we gave up are spread out over 3 years. We basically have to sign one extra free agent that could give us a 3rd round value this year, first round value next year and 2nd round value in 2018 to make up the difference which isn’t insurmountable. He’s very bright and seems to have the mental makeup of a winning QB in this league which is a huge plus for his chances of not busting and being successful. And we have other options on the team in Bradford and Daniel if he doesn’t.

    So, I’ll be thrilled if I’m proven wrong, but the reason I’m at best lukewarm on the move is that regardless of all the philosphical reasons this makes sense, none of that matters if the player doesn’t seriously pan out in a rather unlikely way. And, I just don’t share the love of his game tape that many others do.

  88. 88 unhinged said at 1:30 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Great answer. I would concur almost completely, but I think there is in your reasoning a familiar inflation of the cost to move up. I am not dismissing the value of high draft picks, but I think back on the last time we had a franchise QB, and the mixed draft results that accompanied McNabb’s ascent were more of an explanation for there having been no victory parades than the lack of picks. I am not blaming the current regime or FO for past failings, but I think we tend to assign the picks we give up a best-case value, when the reality is they only occasionally turn out to be the best decisions. I agree with your concerns about the guy. Mike Mayock and Greg Cosell are two people I tend to respect, but my eyes have not confirmed their analyses (yet).

  89. 89 Jernst said at 2:19 AM on April 21st, 2016:


  90. 90 anon said at 2:47 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    trade doesn’t worry me at all, i think sammy b is going to blow this kid’s socks off. be nice if we would have gotten a tackle instead

  91. 91 Cafone said at 2:47 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Assuming the starter is Bradford and the backup is Daniels, will Carson Wentz not dress for games?

  92. 92 anon said at 2:48 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    he and marcus smith

  93. 93 Ssakcis said at 4:06 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    That’s cold

  94. 94 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:41 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Ms2 will probably be cut if he doesn’t show enough in camp to be our #4 DE who can contribute to the rotation… Still have hopes for that kid. Knew he would never be ready as a rookie, so for me he is only one year behind at this point. he should be strong enough after 3 Offseasons to play in the pros, fingers crossed

  95. 95 Mac said at 9:43 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    MS2 is a good fit for the Schwartz system. He might be a backup, but will see plenty of action this year.

  96. 96 Media Mike said at 5:22 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Trading down from 77 seems like a must to still be able to get a few decent players.

    Round 1 Pick 2: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 30 (CAR): Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (B)
    Round 4 Pick 3 (DAL): Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Kevon Seymour, CB, Southern California (A)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Travis Feeney, OLB/ILB, Washington (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 29 (CAR): Ben Braunecker, TE, Harvard (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Keith Marshall, RB, Georgia (A)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Lawrence Thomas, DE, Michigan State (C+)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Luther Maddy, DT, Virginia Tech (B-)

  97. 97 Patrick said at 5:34 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I can get behind drafting a QB easily. Most people know my stand on Sam Bradford, drafting a QB who has more potential to be a Franchise QB, and to be fair to Sammy B, more potentiel to be a bust and worse than Bradford. QB is the most important position, and we dont have one good enough to do what it takes. Draft a QB, fine by me.

    I can even get behind trading up, especially when some of the value came from Maxwell and Kiko. I like that the future picks, are not in the same year. Howie is agressive, we knew that. Theres risk, but again, QB is the most important position. I’ll be a little displeased if its for Tunsil, who is a very good player, but not worth giving up the farm for. Only 1 position is worth that, because only 1 position is the franchise.

    I dont like the planning in the off-season at QB. Why bring back Bradford AND sign Daniel, both at very big, albeit short deals, when you wanted to draft a QB? If the worst happened and you couldn’t get a QB in the draft, sure its nice to have one of them, but why both?

    Right now signing Chase Daniel, looks like the biggest mistake.

  98. 98 miked718 said at 7:53 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Unless they signed Daniel to specifically mentor the rookie while the other coaches are busy with the 2016 team. Chase is the Yoda to Doug’s Obi Won.

  99. 99 sonofdman said at 9:27 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    “Why bring back Bradford AND sign Daniel, both at very big, albeit short deals, when you wanted to draft a QB? If the worst happened and you couldn’t get a QB in the draft, sure its nice to have one of them, but why both?”

    There was no guarantee at that time that they would be able to draft Goff or Wentz or make a deal to trade up.

  100. 100 Patrick said at 10:34 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Which is fine, absolutely bring one of them in. A team needs a QB, one could even argue you need a good backup, but i cannot help noticing that theres still plenty of good backups out there.

    Couldn’t Bradford play the mentor role? Did we absolutely NEED Daniel for that? Or is Daniel that good? in that case why did we need Bradford back and name him a starter?

    Just draft a rookie QB, there should be more than 1 you like, either early or late. If you manage to miss on all of them and all of the sudden you have just a single starter in Bradford who has a better chance of winning the lottery than staying healthy, then just freaking sign Fitzmagic, Flynn, Henne, Vick, Yates etc. They’d all do a job as backup QBs. And even then, if Bradford goes down, its not like we’d all of the sudden not suck because we have a backup QB.

    Instead we’ll have 3 QBs on the roster, counting around 25m against our 160m total cap space. Seems like a waste of resources for 1 roster spot, and we haven’t even taking lost picks from both Bradford and Wentz or the fact that currently, neither QB on the roster is, to be plain, good enough to win the SB. Heres to Wentz’ MVP seasons 2+ years down the road.

  101. 101 ICDogg said at 11:01 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Regardless of what they’ve said, I think they’re looking to move Bradford. Now.

  102. 102 ChoTime said at 9:58 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It seems we are reacting to the Rams here. Something changed from the time we invested 30M in 2 QBs and now we’re reading to bargain a good chunk of the future for a decent prospect.

  103. 103 GermanEagle said at 7:01 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    we love you. But there’s no chance on earth that both the Rams nor the Eagles don’t know 100% which QB they will be picking.

  104. 104 unhinged said at 9:45 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    So you think that the response from HR is politically safe, but not believable? There is no room for the idea that both players have a decent chance to be franchise QBs? If you are Jeff Lurie, and you’e not sold on theSam Bradford reality show, you don’t envision another opportunity anytime soon to be able to trade up (at a time when there is a potential franchise QB to be snagged), and you know that picking the right QB is not all science, but part luck as well…exactly how is “knowing 100%” a realistic part of this rationale?

  105. 105 GermanEagle said at 10:01 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    let’s put it this way: I just don’t believe for a second that both franchises have traded away multiple picks and resources for a QB that they will toss a coin about. And yes, I do believe Howie’s comments in this regard.

  106. 106 D3FB said at 10:02 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Oh they know who the Rams are taking. Tommy’s just hoping the media doesn’t.

  107. 107 unhinged said at 10:22 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    But if the practice of selecting a player – forget the cost – is inherently inexact and fraught with risk, it’s always going to be a bit of a coin toss. And that is whether you move up or not. Liking one player and locking in on that guy does not mitigate the possibility of blowing it. The Eagles braintrust did all of the requisite analysis and poking and prodding, and if they came away saying the cost of moving up for either is acceptable, they’d be right where they are. I’m not saying that they don’t have knowledge of who the Rams like, but I don’t believe they were dependent upon that information in order to decide to trade up.

  108. 108 eagleyankfan said at 7:23 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I feel Tommy’s concern about Wentz. Can’t be blinded and think ‘this move gives us an elite qb for years to come’. Remember when Bradford was THEE qb to draft? Taking chances. I think the Manning example is way off the mark. Taking a chance on a HOF QB(even injured) is a lot different than taking a chance on an older rookie(not to mention, the weapons Manning had in Denver).
    Also think the A. Rogers example is off. Yes, he sat, but that’s the only similarity. He had a HOF QB to sit and study on a daily basis. Wentz gets…he gets — well, he sits.
    Any difference with this move vs. CK going after Bradford? I didn’t mind that trade and I don’t mind this one. It’s a role of the dice and, as mentioned, keeps Pederson/HR here for a few more years — as Lurie has drank the cool-aid, just as he did with CK. Maybe this drink will be better. With all that said — Wentz doesn’t have to be Manning or A. Rogers or Brady. Wentz just has to be solid and productive.
    The only ask is to succeed where 5 failed….

  109. 109 miked718 said at 7:52 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I agree, get that QB. Definitely better than year 5 of the Nick Foles era. Or starting one of the “he’s good enough I guess” QBs like Fitzpatrick/Keenum/Hoyer/Sanchize etc.

  110. 110 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:49 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Think some QBs who we now view as failures could have been legit if they were given 4 or 5 years to develope on the same team… Problem is you have to have a very high pedigree or show enough to warrant that type of Patiemce to be given that much time to grow in the same system like the Cam Newtons, Eli Mannings(who sucked for years) and Matt Ryan

  111. 111 ICDogg said at 10:58 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Speaking of Matt Ryan, I’ve seen his name on at least two Goff profiles as a comp

  112. 112 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:15 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I don’t love Ryan, but I did like Ryan more than I like Goff going into the draft. But who the hell knows with QB prospects, such a high bust rate, just to have to hope we are one of the few who get it right when taking a QB this high

  113. 113 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:07 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    All I know is we better not have to invest in another QB for at least the next 5 years

  114. 114 A_T_G said at 7:28 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    One thing I don’t understand from the reaction to this trade is that this is the issue that puts Howie’s job on the line. In my opinion, this just cemented Howie’s job, regardless of how the pick performs.

    Howie’s job is to get and retain the players the coach wants.

    He asks Pederson what he wants.
    Pederson says I would really like that QB.
    Howie says it will be expensive.
    Lurie says get the man what he wants.
    Howie gets us from 13 to 2 while eliminating bad contracts and expending half of the draft resources that LA did.

    Howie did his job and did it well. Now it is on the coaches and scouts.

  115. 115 xmbk said at 7:40 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    How is it half the resources LA spent? LA spent roughly an extra 2nd to go from 15 to 1, rather than 8 to 2. Not saying it was a bad trade (though it was almost certainly good for Cleveland), but definitely not half of what LA paid.

  116. 116 A_T_G said at 7:49 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    The rule of thumb is to discount picks one round per year. Using that thinking, it is a 2nd and a 3rd cheaper than the Rams. Still, half was overstating it.

    Converting everything to “2016 dollars” would give you:
    LA – a 1st, two 2nds, two 3rds, a 4th
    PHI – a 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd, two 4ths

  117. 117 bill said at 9:34 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m not a huge fan of that calculus. If that were a hard and fast rule, I’d be on the phone every year trading this year’s 2nd for a 1st next year. Would always rather have an extra first over a current 2nd. Long run, that transaction would pay off in my favor, I’m willing to bet. I prefer the other method, where they value it as pick 16.5 in the round. The truth is somewhere in between, depending on how confident teams are about the talent differential between consecutive draft classes.

  118. 118 ICDogg said at 10:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    A pick next year is probably 75% of this year in value. Following year 75% of that. I would base our pick next year on the original 13 position we had, and discount the point value.

  119. 119 eagleyankfan said at 8:06 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think this 100% puts HR job on the line. He’s the man. Doesn’t matter what Pederson wants — HR job is to get the players HE thinks the team needs. Pedersons job is to coach. Yes, Pederson has ‘wants’ but it’s up to HR to decided if getting that player is feasible. IF Wentz turns out to be — um, Bradford — he can’t sit there and blame the coaches. That’s on him, he acquired that player. This whole off season game plan is HR.

  120. 120 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:12 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yeah apparently people think HOWIE just flies around the country, doing all this work scouting playërs, just to shut up and give the first year HC what ever he wants LOL?.. Of course this is on Roseman, and the wins/losses are how Pederson will be judged… If this crashes and burns, neither should survive it…
    But I don’t like to assume Doom n Gloom. I am not for this trade, but it’s done, nothing to do but hope this kid will be a star… We can assume he will suck, or we can assume he will be great, but it doesn’t change anything, nothing to do now but “open your hearts” to Wentz, and show how “emotionally intelligent we are”.. Grrrr I cant believe we have an owner who dares to talk like that, but that’s another story

  121. 121 Anders said at 8:27 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Howie himself said that if this trade fails, it will be on him.

    In 3 years we know if Pederson/Howie combo can work or not. Either Wentz fails or he is a success, but we know for sure.

  122. 122 Iskar36 said at 8:39 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    That’s only part of his job. That’s the part of the job most agree he is actually pretty good at. The part that remains a question is evaluating talent. For the record, I support the move, but if the QB fails, it is Howie job to tell Lurie and Doug Pederson that even if they like the QB, he is not worth the investment. As GM, his job is to be a talent evaluator. If he fails that part, he will no longer be GM.

  123. 123 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:44 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Roseman also has the pressure of having to build this team without some key picks in the next 3 drafts, so we need him to hit on a few mid round picks to compensate, and probably have to count on hitting on a few FA’s more than I would like
    It’s doable, hopefully Roseman can deliver

  124. 124 A_T_G said at 9:20 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Certainly part of his role is to evaluate talent. Again, I think he did his part and did it correctly. No one is saying the trade was bad because he could have gotten Wentz in the second, or at #13, or at #8.

  125. 125 bill said at 9:27 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    And we have no idea whether he did say that to Lurie and Pederson and got overruled. I don’t think Howie’s the type to make a “last stand,” especially given recent history, but he may very well have made it clear he thought this was a bad move while agreeing to do the best he could to execute it once the decision went the other way.

    And just to be clear, I disagree with Tommy. I fear that this was absolutely a knee jerk type thing; Lurie seems very intent on recreating the early Reid years. It’s likely he said “we need to get a good young QB to do that!” And, voila!

    Hopefully, I’m wrong, but that’s just the way this looks right now.

  126. 126 nopain23 said at 9:47 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Lurie listens to Rosebud…not the other way around. Howie is running this ship

  127. 127 bill said at 9:50 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    The past year seems to suggest otherwise to me. You could be right. You could be wrong. We on the outside have no idea. But this all reeks of Lurie’s statements since he fired Kelly. He’s seeking out his halcyon days. He’s hired Reid’s protégé. He’s now going to take a QB 2nd overall. He wants a more family atmosphere, like Reid had. It just makes me think that Lurie is trying to recreate Rosebud.

  128. 128 nopain23 said at 9:27 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Because it’s Howies job to override franchise crippling moves. We mortgaged our future for bortles 2.0……we rented Bradford for 18 mil…..and signed an overpriced backup…
    Zero chance this works out. Did Howie learn nothing from our rivals…Washington. this sort of move…does not work.

  129. 129 A_T_G said at 9:57 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think he learned something from our rival, and from the Seahawks. Keep getting QBs until you got a QB. Sometimes it is the guy you thought, sometimes it is the other one, or the other other one. Once you got one, though, the rest doesn’t matter.

  130. 130 anon said at 10:52 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    seahawks took a qb late in the draft, a qb who took his team to the rose bowl. didn’t burn two drafts to get a qb that’s never played against real competition.

  131. 131 A_T_G said at 10:57 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It will be difficult to argue that the Seahawks’ success comes from their careful application of draft resources.

  132. 132 Birds4Life said at 10:39 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    If this doesn’t work out, we will have another high pick in a couple years. Did you think the Eagles were winning the SB in the next 3 years? Bradford has been a QB for 5 years and never taken his team to the playoffs or had more than 7 wins in a season.

    Its not about getting a chance, its about taking a chance.

  133. 133 nopain23 said at 1:13 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    then wouldnt the money have been spent better elsewhere..like say cox?

  134. 134 Birds4Life said at 2:54 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Please tell me how any of these moves prevent them from signing Cox? One has no impact on that. What else do you got?

  135. 135 nopain23 said at 4:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    not prevent..better spent. any cash save this year rolls over to the next. if chase was signed to be a mentor and back up.why the hell did they sign bradford for 18mil?.. to go 7-9 and get us a low second rd pick. they obviousy dont thibk he’s a franchise QB but paid him like one. it was a decision that lacks conviction. if you dont think sam is your guy..let him walk and save the cap room to invest in future players that you think will help you win the ‘chip.

  136. 136 Birds4Life said at 10:14 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The Eagles have been cap kings for the last 15 years! What has that won them? The cap keeps going up every year and players are cut every year. Our cap situation is fine right now. I don’t agree with all their moves, but in no way are we struggling with the cap. Bradford was signed before we were able to move up. Did Howie know that he was going to be able to move up to #2? I doubt it, he probably had a plan, but how was he supposed to know for sure. If Bradford wasn’t signed then everyone knows we are trying to get a QB in the draft.

  137. 137 ICDogg said at 10:48 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    There is so much riding on the success of this selection that someone will need to be the fall guy if it fails.

  138. 138 Cafone said at 11:08 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Pederson. You don’t invest this much in a guy without replacing the coach at least once before you bail on him.

  139. 139 nopain23 said at 1:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    rosebud..but its’s obvious that those two are lovers so i guess its gotta be DP

  140. 140 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Go check out Rosemans comment. He made it crystal clear “that this is on him”
    But if this fails, likely that we see a complete house cleaning

  141. 141 nopain23 said at 7:57 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    With all the optimism there was this off season the draft was supposed to be the icing on the cake. Now Howie pissed it all away. He’s a great contract guy and negotiator but definitely not a talent evaluator. HW just showed why he is not a footballot guy.hue is a football guy and an excellent QB talent evaluator and didn’t think either of these guys goff nor wentz was worthy of leading his franchise for the next decade. DP is not out game planning the likes of Belicheat, carrol,McCarthy, Arians anytime soon. So a mediocre HC with a contract guy as GM makes for a lame duck team…until we get a new owner because it’s obvious now that Lurie will sign off on any lunacy Howie proposes

  142. 142 miked718 said at 8:02 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Actually I think Hue just believes RGIII is the same guy he was as a rookie and was just coached wrong and so the advanced metrics team said they would be crazy to keep the pick. When RGIII washes out, they get top pick again. Don’t forget how many free agents left an already terrible Browns team. Also highly possible that the Goff/Wentz agent promised to “Eli Manning” the Browns on draft day…

  143. 143 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:35 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Probably likely that the Browns still draft a QB early… Maybe at the top of round 2 or trade back into round 1 if Cook falls past the Jets, although coaches like Andy Reid and Bruce Arians may want to take a QB late in round 1 to start grooming

  144. 144 Anders said at 8:25 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    That fact that you put McCarthy on the level of Carroll or Belichick is just laughable.
    McCarthy’s play calling is the single reason why the Packers hasnt won more play off games.

  145. 145 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:26 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Same thing came to mind..
    WASNT McCarthy with the Niners when they chose alex smith over Rodgers?

  146. 146 Anders said at 8:48 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yes McCarthy was the OC of the Niners the year they selected Smith (who was the better prospect at the time)

  147. 147 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:50 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Talk about luck… He was in on the evaluation that led them to pick Smith, and then he got to reap the benefits of Rogers who they passed on

  148. 148 nopain23 said at 9:58 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Did they not win a SB??…how many SBs will DP….bring us. He called the plays in the second half against NE. He admitted as much and his play calling was a joke. Reported this dude loved nick foles.!!!!
    …and this is the guy who’s word we are going to trust to be a QB evaluator
    I’m taking Mccarthy over DP 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. I said it before. We should have traded with San Fran..for Harbaugh. Just replace wentz with Harbaugh and this would have been infinitely better for the franchise.

  149. 149 D3FB said at 10:00 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    He won a Super Bowl with a vet DC and the best QB in the league? WOWWWWIE!

    And yes, Harbaugh would have been so much better, in 3 years half the team would hate him, hate football, hate life, and be burned out. But yea he would make Sam Bradford super duper good.

  150. 150 nopain23 said at 10:34 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    He won……thats all that matters….McCarthy SB winning coach…..DP???…..let’s see…..

  151. 151 D3FB said at 10:43 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Shoulda just hired Barry Switzer?


  152. 152 Birds4Life said at 10:44 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    DP hasn’t even coached one game yet. He could be the best coach ever or worst. No one knows.

  153. 153 nopain23 said at 1:15 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    yes he has ..second half of the playoff game against NE. Laid an egg..next!!!

  154. 154 Birds4Life said at 2:56 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Really!?! That’s the best you could do? He was the OC!!! How does that have any impact on how he will be as a HEAD coach? You don’t think AR had any input over what he wanted HIS team to do? Please.

  155. 155 nopain23 said at 4:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    schwartz is going to run the D..fipp special teams…while DP gives us a no hurry/ hurry up offense. even reid said that it was on dougie. dude cant run a 2 min offense but is supposed to run an entire team? schwartz better have a top 3 D to cover up the shortcomings of DP.

  156. 156 Birds4Life said at 10:20 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    But that 2 min offense was run like the HC has always run it. Reid has always had the clock management issues and now that’s all on DP? You think the HC can’t overrule a OC? DP hasn’t even coached a preseason game yet and you are blasting him. I was not happy when he was signed as the HC but I’m willing to wait and see how he does. Give the guy a chance. No one was happy when AR was signed in ’99 either.

  157. 157 Fufina said at 8:43 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I actually think the Browns are going to tank, and go to fully commit to a rebuild. Burn roster to the ground and gather lots of picks and fill up their roster with young guys and hope 3-4 develop into stars out of the 10-15 they draft.

    So for them waiting on a QB and being patient makes sense… They will pick top 5 next year…. Eagles not so much

  158. 158 Dave said at 8:52 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I agree. They seem to have bought into the Sam Hinkie moneyball theory of building a roster.

  159. 159 Mac said at 11:16 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Which is a shame in a way because Cleveland is basically just a farm team for the rest of the league. None of the players they draft this year will still be there when they are finally going to be “good.”

  160. 160 BreakinAnklez said at 10:35 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    How do you know Hue didn’t like Goff? He might not have liked Wentz? He also still thinks RGme can be 2012 RG3.

    If CLE wanted Goff and they know Rams will now take him, why not trade back and re-build this awful team?

  161. 161 nopain23 said at 10:38 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    So hue thinks wentz is not a franchise QB and DP does???…hmmmm…..I think I’ll trust Hue on that one

  162. 162 BreakinAnklez said at 10:50 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    a lot of people think Wentz is but glad you only care about Hue. Hue also thinks RGme can still be a franchise QB by the way…

  163. 163 nopain23 said at 11:31 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Under hue’s tutelage he just might be. Let’s see what happens in the opener.

  164. 164 D3FB said at 11:33 AM on April 21st, 2016:



  165. 165 Mac said at 11:38 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    You’re a day late for that joke my friend.

  166. 166 nopain23 said at 1:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    he got short chained in Oakland. everyone agrees wit time he would have turned that franchise around. and no way you’re arguing that DP is more proven that Hue. when both were available no one wanted DP over Hue.

  167. 167 Cafone said at 11:06 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Are Doug Pederson and Frank Reich football guys? Do you think Howie makes a trade like this for a QB that isn’t supported enthusiastically by the guys who are going to coach him?

  168. 168 ICDogg said at 11:09 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    They don’t. I have to think both Howie and Doug loved Wentz.

  169. 169 nopain23 said at 11:38 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    A couch has no track record to stand on except holding Reids jock strap. Reich had Rivers and got fired cause…he’s just not that good. What has Howie done to prove he knows a good QB from a sack of fertilizer????…..

  170. 170 A_T_G said at 11:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    More than any of us in the comment section?

  171. 171 nopain23 said at 1:48 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    well i called foles being a bust from day one..and so far his stolen quite a few paychecks…..

  172. 172 daveH said at 8:06 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Goff looks every bit the part of LA Sunshine unfortunately

  173. 173 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:13 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    zack Morris Jr…. Leave that kid in Cali… I’ll take the Gritty Hunter from Fargo

  174. 174 daveH said at 11:30 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Gene Rayburn all time great

  175. 175 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:24 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Dissapointed that The media Didnt ask Roseman about his plan on how to get the raw #2 pick from bumbleFock developmental reps as a Raw #3 rookie QB? And how common is it to see a team give up a lot to draft a QB this early who probably won’t even dress on game day as a rookie? How often has that happened?
    Anyone remember how Aaron Rodgers was handled as a rookie. Was he the #2, or a #3 like Wentz will be?

  176. 176 Anders said at 8:30 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    The Packers only had 2 QBs on the roster back then (had untill I think last year), because of the health of Favre.

  177. 177 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:31 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Thank you… Makes sense that Rogers developed so well while sitting since he was getting #2 reps. Curious to hear the Eagles plans for how they will handle this

  178. 178 Dave said at 8:48 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Not sure I agree with you here. Developmental reps in practice (during the season) pale in comparison to importance of classroom training needed as a young QB.

    I have no doubt Wentz will be able to pick up the nuances of the offense, but understanding defenses and studying individual defensive players tendencies are typically the downfall of many young QBs.

  179. 179 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:54 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yeah who cares about Muscle memory, or training against NFL cormers since he comes from throwing against Way bigger windows he faced in the mountain conference? Big deal, no problem right? …. A Developing Qbs needs Both, one or the other ARENT enough
    And since we no longer get million reps in a chip style practice, #3 QBs typically get like 3-5 reps per session.. Wentz needs more than that… Class room can’t compensate for live Reps and live reps can’t compensate for class room work. Hopefully they have a unique plan to develope him as the #3

  180. 180 Dave said at 9:07 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m making the assumption that Pederson, Reich, and DeFilippo know how to develop a QB based on being former QBs (Pederson and Reich in the NFL) and offensive coordinators in the NFL, you’re making the assumption that they can’t based on conjecture.

  181. 181 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Can’t every fanbase make that assumption? Don’t think its too much to be interested in knowing the plan for how they plan on developing him, but we can agree to disagree

  182. 182 Dave said at 1:29 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    “Can’t every fanbase make that assumption? ”

    Only fanbases whose HC, OC and QB coaches all were QBs and have experience as an NFL OC.

    You want to know the plan how a player will be coached before we even draft the player.

  183. 183 mksp said at 11:11 AM on April 21st, 2016:



    You know absolutely ZERO about the inner working of an NFL football team.

    Stop making shit up.

  184. 184 Bert's Bells said at 9:01 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    This is possibly the dumbest concern of all possible dumb concerns.

  185. 185 EaglesGameBalls said at 9:18 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I hope we fet Wentz. . His footwork and arm look incredible in hia pro day

  186. 186 EaglesGameBalls said at 9:21 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    He looks like Big Ben

  187. 187 big Jes not here for grammar said at 9:19 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    and lets not forget we are getting a number one pick in the 5th when we select Jaylon smith with our 2nd 5th round pick who will fully recover the next season making up for lost 1st rd pick duh come on guys Howie has been reborn

  188. 188 EaglesGameBalls said at 9:22 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Howie will trade scum bag bradford to Denver for a second roubder. Don’t get your parties in a tizzy. Seek there longer views cause that is what’s Rosman is doing

  189. 189 dandynator said at 9:28 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Althought i hâte this trade i can somewhat understand why. Outside of tunsil Jack and ramsey i dont see a deserving top 10. Bosa… Gôod not great… Buckner dont fit… Zeke is à rb… Stanley like Tommy Saïd struggled against Clemson( legit NFL prospects). I wouldn’t mind Hargreaves but there are definitly questions about him. Anyways see yall in the 4th round….

  190. 190 nopain23 said at 9:29 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Would people just stop with the ” bold move” mantra. The same was said about the move last year for BradFord and all we accomplished is the loss of a second round pick. Now after the rams saved Howie from himself. He makes a bold move to screw us and the team once again. It ll be really sobering when the Browns beat us in the opener

  191. 191 Bert's Bells said at 9:36 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Bold statement

  192. 192 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:36 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Bold does not mean successful… A bold move can succeed or fail

  193. 193 A_T_G said at 9:45 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Are any of the three moves you mentioned not bold moves?

  194. 194 Mac said at 10:11 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    He prefers the yellow mustard.

  195. 195 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:35 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Hopefully Josh Norman DOESNT end up in our division.
    Allegedly Baalke is trying to stick Normans crazy personality with Chip Kelly. Boy would that be entertaining
    Instead of Taking on Maxwells contract, Dolphins could have given that money to Norman.
    I can’t get over the fact that both starting DEs Cowboys invested in during the past two drafts got themselves suspended.. Hopefully Jerry goes for the trifecta ending up with Noah Spence.

  196. 196 Ankerstjernen said at 9:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    So, Gian Eagle, I suppose this settles our heated debate over wether the Eagles will ‘definitely’ pass on Wentz at #8 because the ‘clearly’ are determined to see what Samme can do as a franchise QB?

  197. 197 ChoTime said at 10:02 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    He was right, they’re not going to pick Wentz at #8. You’d best recognize.

  198. 198 A_T_G said at 10:06 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I am hearing reports that there is less than a 50% chance Wentz is available at #8. #AllbrightingIt

  199. 199 D3FB said at 10:07 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    No, you see when you’re wrong just claim that you were totally joking. Lol guys, trust meeeeee.

  200. 200 Mac said at 10:09 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I thought the point of being wrong was to start betting people and threatening to eat fecal matter.

    Now I’m really confused :/

  201. 201 Ankerstjernen said at 10:18 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think I’m covered. What he said exactly was that he HOPED that Wentz fell to #8 so that we could all see them pass on him in that spot, and he would be proven right about the eagles not wanting any part of him because they already had Sammy Boy. Hmm.

  202. 202 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:09 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Congrats.. But if you think I actually remember our debate, you have an inflated sense of ego… But my standing rounding applause to you sir… If you think im infallible and this is the first time I been wrong, you give me way too much credit. But if it makes you happy, God bless

  203. 203 Ankerstjernen said at 1:23 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that I think you are infallible 🙂 Joking aside, I didn’t mean to be a jerk about it, I appreciate that we can debate stuff in the forum here, and I certainly never took any issue with your stance on Wentz (I would not actually categorize our debate as ‘heated’ in any sense of the word, I hope you understand.) But we did agree to revisit the issue once we learned the truth about it. And how could I not yank your chain just a little bit? 🙂 It’s all in good spirits. Keep up your good work, I’ll keep reading your lengthy posts when I should be working at the office in stead.

  204. 204 mksp said at 2:09 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  205. 205 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 9:58 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    yea….sorry tommy, but let’s really hope that both Philly and Cleveland are rehashing old history
    The day the Browns passed on Big Ben

  206. 206 ICDogg said at 11:06 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I see a little Big Ben in Wentz. The key though, is that when BR came in that first year they mostly ran the ball and did it successfully.

  207. 207 Cafone said at 11:10 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    except the rapist traits

  208. 208 ICDogg said at 11:11 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Hopefully not.

  209. 209 Gary Barnes said at 10:03 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Eagles better be pursuing Josh Norman hard, good CB like him are normally not available and CB is a premier position and one we need help in.

  210. 210 D3FB said at 10:03 AM on April 21st, 2016:


    hold on let me catch my breath


  211. 211 Gary Barnes said at 10:04 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Good one, no? 😉

  212. 212 D3FB said at 10:06 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Let’s give a 29 year old CB, with like a year and a half of high level production 4-5 years at $16 million per.

    That won’t absolutely backfire.


  213. 213 eagleyankfan said at 10:11 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    you saying — the team that will be paying 3 qb’s more money than any other team, with none of them expected to be effective until year 3 – won’t over pay an aging corner? I’d say — never say never…lol

  214. 214 D3FB said at 10:16 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Cash not cap. It’s only like 23 in cap for all three.

  215. 215 eagleyankfan said at 10:55 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    for qb positions — is 23 in cap a lot? I don’t know how other teams stack up vs. that number.

  216. 216 D3FB said at 10:56 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It’s like fringe top 10.


  217. 217 eagleyankfan said at 11:11 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    ok, thanks.

  218. 218 A_T_G said at 10:25 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It sounds like a Dallas contract to me. Does Norman have any legal troubles to seal the deal?

  219. 219 Gary Barnes said at 10:12 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It was sarcasm, thought someone would have done it earlier, but no one did so I threw it out there. I’m not advocating Norman

  220. 220 nopain23 said at 10:27 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    The way Howie is going that’s exactly what he’ll do.facepalm

  221. 221 D3FB said at 10:32 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Can’t hear you, the sky appears to have crushed you.

  222. 222 GermanEagle said at 10:53 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Oops, I didn’t realize he’s that old already. I gotta say ‘no thanks’ as well then!

  223. 223 D3FB said at 10:54 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    His 4.66 40 should age real well.

  224. 224 EaglesGameBalls said at 10:09 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Out with chip jelly. Out wirh Demarco Murray. Out with kiko Alonso. Out without bradford. In with Peterson in qith webrz. These are all things I told too woukd happen. Now listen to what I tell you and follow. Me. Your will be enthralled you did. They truths is on the Internet. It’s is me

  225. 225 Julescat said at 10:29 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    how was the KC Chief superbowl parade?

  226. 226 MattE said at 11:02 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Dude. grammar. Credibility is way easier when you spell better.

  227. 227 Lord of the Rings said at 12:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I doesn’t remembering you has says the eagles will got wentz.
    you did made this up

  228. 228 scratcherk said at 10:15 AM on April 21st, 2016:


    Would you have been willing to pay the difference in compensation to get Goff over Wentz? I guess we have no idea what that would be but a guess would have been a 2nd next year instead of in 2018 and our other third this year.

  229. 229 ICDogg said at 10:35 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Well, someone should at least note Tommy’s clever headline.

  230. 230 scratcherk said at 10:35 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    poop joke? i like it.

  231. 231 eagleyankfan said at 10:37 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Austin Powers reference?

  232. 232 MattE said at 11:04 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Was just pulling up to Flyers game when I heard about the trade…… Head is spinning.

  233. 233 ICDogg said at 11:13 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    So is Leighton’s, apparently

  234. 234 MattE said at 11:14 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    it was also 4/20 yesterday hahaha…..but in all seriousness that did not look good at all.

  235. 235 ICDogg said at 11:17 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yeah, he’ll be OK but he’s probably not playing in game 5

  236. 236 quest4fire said at 11:12 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Eagles taking a big risk. Im nervous–1)When Wentz got hurt early in the season, the backup freshman QB did really well, posting similar numbers to Wentz. 2) Hue Jackson is a QB guru, it bothers me that he was willing to trade down. What does he see that Pederson, Reich, et al. dont see? 3) We’ve been burned before by workout warriors (Mamula). These are my concerns with him right now. Its a big risk/reward gamble. We really need a stud OT, I would feel better if we grabbed Tunsil at that spot.

  237. 237 BreakinAnklez said at 12:10 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I keep hearing he is this great QB developer.

    Patrick Ramsey (WAS)
    Joey Harrington (ATL)
    Joe Flacco (BAL, first two seasons)
    Jason Cambell (OAK)
    Bruce Gradkowski (OAK)
    Carson Palmer (OAK)
    Andy Dalton (CIN)

    What am I missing? Palmer was already an established QB when he got there, you could make the same argument for Andy Dalton. Dalton had one average year and one great year with Hue. Palmer was terrible in Oakland.

  238. 238 quest4fire said at 12:51 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Let’s trim down this list and focus on where he played a major part of QB development. For example, he was RB coach for the Skins so Patrick Ramsey doesnt count.

    Ravens-QB Coach: Flacco

    Raiders:OC&HC: Palmer

    Bengals OC: Dalton

    That’s an impressive list.

  239. 239 BreakinAnklez said at 2:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Ramsey was drafted in 2002, 2003 was his rookie year when Hue was the OC, so of course that counts. You can’t just handpick the good and bad to make your point. I didn’t leave out Flacco.

    Palmer was not good with the Raiders. 60% completion, with 35 TDs and 30 INTs. He was also what, 8 years into his career? Sorry but that’s not impressive. Arians has done more with Palmer than anyone has since his first stint in Cincy.

    Flacco is also a wild card in my opinion, but I wanted to include him. He’s not considered a Top 10 QB by most. For most of his career he’s been featured in a run heavy offense with good/great defenses. He played out of this world in the Ravens run to the Super Bowl. Hue was long gone by that point, and Flacco hasn’t come close to performing that way on any sort of consistent basis.

    Dalton is almost similar to Palmer. He was in the league for 3 years prior to Hues arrival. Year 1 with Hue was a typical Andy Dalton year, which is nothing more than an average QB. Year 2, he had a great year. Unfortunately Hue is now gone and we won’t be able to see if he repeats that performance again, or like Flacco’s playoff run, it was a mirage.

    So when you take it all in context, I still don’t see where this QB guru title comes from.

  240. 240 quest4fire said at 10:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Hue played a big part with Flacco’s and Dalton’s early development, the other guys not so much. Ramsey was stuck in the “Fun-n-Gun”, and got sacked like 80 times, Harrington was like in his 8th year when he played under Hue. Palmer came out of retirement before he arrived at Oakland. What is interesting is when Palmer declared for the NFL Draft, Hue worked with him in the offseason before he was selected by the Bengals because he was considered a “QB Guru/QB Whisperer.”

    Need more proof? -found these in 2 seconds on Google
    1)Quote “…Into this breach steps Jackson, who has a reputation of being a quarterback guru and offensive strategist. As the Ravens’ quarterback coach, he helped Joe Flacco launch his career with three playoff wins in his first two seasons. As the Bengals’ offensive coordinator, he directed a thriving offense as the team earned two playoff berths despite an average skill set for a starting quarterback in Andy Dalton…” Source: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4700261-browns-hue-jackson-quarterback-battle-robert-griffin-iii-rg3-draft-pick

    2)Hue Jackson QB Whisperer”

  241. 241 ICDogg said at 11:15 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    A risk no one mentions is what happens if one of the 2 QBs gets hurt before the draft? LA takes the healthy one…

  242. 242 MattE said at 11:16 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I also fall into the “Goff is Gone @ 2” category…. Cal + LA Rams = Win for fanbase…. i can’t see them NOT taking him…. any reports otherwise?

  243. 243 D3FB said at 11:24 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    For the ten millionth time. Goff is from the Bay area.

    San Fran is as far from LA as Philly is from the following:

    Chapel Hill

    Would you consider any of those to be local? Or some PR coup?

    If the Rams take Goff it has nothing to do with him growing up 6 hours away in the shadow of two other teams.

  244. 244 A_T_G said at 11:28 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    On the other hand, most of the new Rams fans would probably assume Wentz speaks Canadian.

  245. 245 D3FB said at 11:31 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Fargoesse is basically.

  246. 246 Cafone said at 11:28 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    yeah but he looks Hollywood.

  247. 247 Tdoteaglefan said at 11:32 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    exactly, San fran taking him would make a lot more sense. People outside of Cali don’t really understand how different Socal is from Norcal. And the degree of hatred Norcal has for Socal.

    I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Fisher prefers Wentz, bigger body, more mobile.

  248. 248 A_T_G said at 11:37 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    That hatred troubles me. Do they not all bleed the same as a result of unending gang violence? Did they not all elect a bodybuilder actor as governator? When the earthquake comes, will they not all drown in the same ocean?

  249. 249 D3FB said at 11:39 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    They should all just pack a giant bowl and chill mannnnnnnnn

  250. 250 A_T_G said at 11:55 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    But only if it is medically appropriate.

  251. 251 ICDogg said at 12:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It’s medically appropriate for Eagles fans in general due to chronic anxiety

  252. 252 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 12:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    In norcal they do

  253. 253 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 11:43 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    No is the answer to all those questions

  254. 254 A_T_G said at 2:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Granted. But it was heart wrenching, right? Did you hear the inspirational music queue up in the background?

  255. 255 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 3:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Purple Rain?

  256. 256 Sean Stott said at 12:23 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I feel like you’re making fun of Cali, and I don’t like it one bit.

  257. 257 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 11:42 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I ‘ve been trying to get people to understand that it’s norcal vs Socal. Not Norcal and Socal. Goff is not going to be a hometown hero in LA

  258. 258 Sean Stott said at 12:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    People down here in So.Cal are UCLA and USC fans, so they already don’t like CAL

  259. 259 Tumtum said at 1:40 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    DC Claims anyone who is from the entire states of Maryland or Virginia as a native son. We are tiny in Maryland.. so ok I guess (when literally almost everyone DC claims and are thought to actually be from DC are actually from MD). Virginia however is friggin huge.

  260. 260 Rellihcs said at 8:56 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    When will you learn that most people just aren’t as logical as you are? Lower your expectations.

  261. 261 MattE said at 11:05 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    meh… i can’t see a ginger being the face of an LA franchise lol

  262. 262 A_T_G said at 11:26 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Overall, I like what I see here, but at the 15 second mark I see some stuff that reminds me a lot of the bad Nick Foles and the bad Kevin Kolb.


  263. 263 ICDogg said at 11:54 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Much better backpedal

  264. 264 A_T_G said at 12:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    True. He goes backwards faster than Foles goes forward.

  265. 265 Anders said at 11:58 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    The stuff that starts at 0:11 is some epic Nick Foles backpedal, but as ICDogg said, much better footwork

  266. 266 Tumtum said at 1:37 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Agreed. If he can’t figure out which endzone to throw the ball toward we are screwed.

  267. 267 Aaron said at 11:27 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    han solo dies

  268. 268 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 11:39 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    They still make people like you

  269. 269 ICDogg said at 11:40 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    WWE’s Chyna died

  270. 270 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:22 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Prince died too

  271. 271 D3FB said at 11:31 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    The thing the scares the absolute shit out of me regarding Wentz is that in 600 career passing attempts, a whopping 7 came after he pulled the ball down and scrambled. He completed 1.

    Shoot your shot. But I will be so much happier if it somehow does end up Goff.

  272. 272 ICDogg said at 11:40 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    It does look like he is still looking downfield, but then he tucks it and runs

  273. 273 RC5000 said at 2:21 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He’s only played 1 1/2 seasons. He isn’t going to be polished. They like his tools and ability to grow. I imagine they like his intangibles too.

  274. 274 Ark87 said at 12:07 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Well, for what it’s worth I think you were right about Hundley as a good prospect, and he is in a great place to grow and be traded to be someone’s QB sone or later. And you and Tommy being on the same page with Goff carries some serious weight in my book.

    And I hope you’re both wrong about him being the better option (unless we get him of course)

  275. 275 RC5000 said at 1:31 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    That’s part of the risk on his lack of experience. He also had a freshman and sophomore WR as his main WRs. Lawler is a jr and Davis a senior. Were they open on all of those plays? How many were on him? Goff basically has double Wentz’s experience. Wentz has room to grow

    At least the completion was one of his best plays so they know what they have to work with. Very Favre/ McNabbish play.

    He’s going to have to learn this system and hopefully have more experienced WRs.

    Goff was in a heavier passing offense wasn’t he so more experience passing again? Crockett had 368 rush attempts and Wentz 358 pass attempts in 2014.

  276. 276 Tumtum said at 1:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Agreed, I want Goff.

  277. 277 ACViking said at 11:47 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Re: Kiss of Death?

    Here’s Gil Brandt’s tweet after one quarterback’s Pro Day:

    “One of the best pro days I’ve ever witnessed.”

    Here’s what Gil Brandt thought after another quarterback’s Pro Day:

    “Gil Brandt, the former Cowboys personnel executive who now analyzes the draft for NFL.com, said it was the best quarterback workout he had seen since Troy Aikman worked out for the Cowboys before they drafted him – in 1989.”

    QB #1 . . . Carson Wentz.

    QB #2 . . . Sam Bradford.

    Aww, who the hell is Gil Brandt anyway.

  278. 278 ICDogg said at 11:53 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Heh. I put Brandt in the Charlie Casserly category

  279. 279 HawaiianEagle said at 12:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Followed closely by Jamie Dukes…

  280. 280 unhinged said at 12:13 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Thank you, ACV for underscoring the inductive aspect of the player evaluation process – unintentionally perhaps. The idea that there is a finite amount of information that will yield the desired result is NOT applicable to player selection. It can and does serve to enhance the opportunity for success, but there is always the matter of proving. This, to me, supports the notion that you take measured chances when you can, because the uncertainty exists whether you do or don’t.

  281. 281 ACViking said at 1:09 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    great post

  282. 282 Patrick said at 12:33 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m probably known for being the guy with the least amount of confidence in Sam Bradford, but even I recognize that he is extremely talented and his career could have looked much, much different had he not suffered the injuries and frankly, had he not suffered the awfulness of the hell the Rams put his through with teammates, scheme changes etc.

  283. 283 Dave said at 12:51 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Odds are that whoever lands in Philly will be more successful than the QB going to the Rams.

    “Staff changes have become a common occurrence for the Rams since Fisher arrived in 2012. Although there haven’t been many in total, there have been plenty of important alterations, namely at the two coordinator positions, every offseason since Fisher arrived. The offensive coordinator job is at the top of this year’s list as Fisher sorts through his various staff options.”


  284. 284 Patrick said at 12:55 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He also had 2 different OCs the years before Fisher was hired, with Spags as a HC, who isn’t exactly offensive minded.

    Fisher also has to be sitting kinda loose in the job at this point. Obviously with a city change and this trade, an considering the division he is fairly safe, but at some point bordering mediocrity won’t fly.

  285. 285 Dave said at 1:05 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    “…but at some point bordering mediocrity won’t fly.”

    Fisher has been a head coach for the past 21 years, with a 41-54 record for the last 6 years and an overall record of 169-156-1. Jeff Fisher is the cockroach of the NFL coaching world.

  286. 286 ACViking said at 1:08 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Does Fisher get any slack for having Bradford?

    Or is it vice versa?

  287. 287 Dave said at 1:25 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’ll give Fisher the same slack that James Franklin had for having inherited Hackenberg.

  288. 288 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:25 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yeah I’d probably take our first year HC and his staff developing a young QB over the environment Fisher brings his young QB into…

    How you develope your QB is a major part of the equation that will decide if he is a gem or failure…love to be able to keep Wentz on the bench for 2 or 3 years, will our city allow that, is a different story

  289. 289 Tumtum said at 1:34 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Funny, but in fairness I think any one you look up from 2010 had a positive review of Bradford. Remember he had the type of hype Luck had, or am I tripping?

  290. 290 ACViking said at 1:51 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    T —

    You right for sure. Bradford’s projection was great, with the lone caveat being his college injuries.

    I’d enjoy reading a scout’s review of their pre-2010 draft workup on Bradford to see if there’s anything they’d change.

    One thing for sure, Bradford was in an offensive scheme for a team that seemed to post huge numbers regardless of the QB.

  291. 291 BobSmith77 said at 11:53 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    Really surprised and didn’t think the Eagles would pull the trigger on this deal. Understood why they made the deal though given the almost annual flux they have had at QB since McNabb but a few things stand out or :

    1. If they were trying to trade up, why didn’t they give up the marginal extra picks to get the #1 choice and have their choice between Goff/Wentz?

    2. Why exactly did they sign and pay Daniel as much as they did?

    3. If they were going to make this deal, why resign Bradford to essentially just be the QB here for a year and take the middling path of trying to win 6-8 games instead of just bottoming out this year, taking their lumps, and really making it a rebuilding year.

  292. 292 ACViking said at 11:55 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    1. Rams outbid the Eagles, throwing in an extra 2nd in 2016 (at least).

    2. Roseman’s good at reading the market but he’s not Nostradamus.

    3. See #2.

  293. 293 BobSmith77 said at 12:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    In retrospect, it seems like as soon as they made the trade to Miami to get the #8 pick that they were trying to trade up for the #1 pick. Turns out those rumors were true.

    Their just trying to remain competitive this year instead of bottoming out & rebuilding. I would have preferred the later even if it meant a step back this year and possibly next year. Taking the middling course is something I almost never prefer especially with limited upside.

  294. 294 ACViking said at 1:15 PM on April 21st, 2016:


    Your 2nd para’s a good argument.

    Possibly, though, Eagles looked down the road at other the demand for QBs starting in the next few years — with aging, quality QBs all over the NFL.

  295. 295 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Actually the Eagles started discussing the miami trade back at the combine because the Miami interview room was two doors down from the Eagles, so Roseman probably had an idea he would end up at #8 even before signing Bradford.. From there, it’s unclear exactly when they first realized they may be able to get up to the top 2.
    I hear you but the middle course ISNT as bad in the NFL as it is in most sports… Don’t think it does our other important developing young players any good to spend a few years on a 5-11 team

  296. 296 Jernst said at 10:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Is bottoming out and getting a high pick really the better move when you’re plan is to trade your first round pick in 2017 to move up this year?

    What does that gain over continuing to build a winning program. How does having no viable starting QB in 2017 help the team in the long run? Does that help our young WR corp? Does throwing a project QB from a small school who everyone agrees needs a year or two to refine game to the wolves and letting him get destroyed help his development?

    Then why would we ever advocate tanking the season when going into it with Bradford really hasn’t cost us anything but some of Jeffery Lurie’s cash?

  297. 297 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 12:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    When free agency started I don’t think Howie knew he would be picking 2nd. Sam is here to help us be competitive. You think fans would be OK with the Eagles winning 3-5 games?

  298. 298 Sean Stott said at 12:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    There’s no point in bottoming out when you don’t have draft picks that benefit from bottoming out.

  299. 299 Jernst said at 1:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Plus if you think this season is going to be a sunk year, and the QB you’re drafting isn’t going to be ready because he needs to sit for a year or more and refine his game, why not use that sunk year as a chance to give a former sure fire number 1 overall drafted QB the opportunity to continue his incomplete audition. Maybe he turns it around and realizes his full potential…awesome we have a franchise QB. Maybe he plays solidly like he did down the stretch last year and Wentz shows good growth and for $12million we can trade him and recoup at least a 2nd and most likely much more. Maybe Wentz busts completely, and we at least have a decent fall back option. And, maybe Bradford simply sucks … so what it was a wasted year anyways according to the OP … we lost nothing but some cash and cap space to potentially get a lot more in return. Plus this year has some hope of being fun to watch. Win-Win

  300. 300 Jernst said at 1:11 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    1. The rams gave up 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks and 2 third round picks. 2 of the second round picks and a third were this year and a first and third was given up next year. So that’s an extra second rounder and an extra third. Plus all the picks are in this and next years draft instead of spread across three years. So if that seems marginal to you, I’d say I disagree. Further, we didn’t have 2 second round picks to give up this year, so we really couldn’t even match them if we wanted to.

    2. Given the situation with Bradford’s contract being only 2 years and the second year being very easy to get out of while saving substantial cap space, I think Daniel makes sense. First off you have to understand that Daniel is a very unique QB for our situation. He’s the only QB that was available that knows the system already inside and out. He also has probably the highest upside for any back-up QB that was on the market. He’s got things going for him outside of his skill set that no other available backup could provide. He’s capable of being a coach on the field for both Bradford and the rookie we plan to develop. He’s a capable backup that could step in immediately if anything happened to Bradford and the rookie wasn’t ready to be thrown to the wolves yet since he’s so familiar with the system and wouldn’t have the same learning curve as all the other potential backups we could have signed. Speaking of learning curves…he was the only backup QB available that could conceivably be prepared to start a game in this system without taking extensive reps in practice. If you plan on develop a project QB as your #3 guy (who typically gets little to no reps on most teams), and that guy is not ready to be #2 yet, you need a #2 that can be ready with minimal reps because they’re going to go to the rookie. Chase was very unique in that regard. Those facts that make him so unique for us, also make him very valuable to our team and so it was important enough to get him on board that we were willing to overpay. Further, we might need a starter next year if Wentz still isn’t ready with Bradford possibly being moved after this season after increasing his value with another solid year (returning some of our investment on the trade. Chase was the only backup available that Doug felt comfortable going into a season with as a potential starter which he may in fact be in 2017. If the average back-up on the market could make $4-5M per year, it doesn’t seem a stretch that we’d value him enough to pay another $2-3M to have all the benefits he comes with given our plan to develop a project QB as our #3 for as long as two years and potentially needing a starter next year so we can trade Bradford and get something back for him.

    #3: If Bradford left in FA this past offseason, we would have sunk a high second round pick on a one year rental for a guy who we knew going in was going to need at least a year to get back into form anyways, and we would have received nothing in return. For a modest investment, we now control his rights for 2 years and can trade him next offseason and recoup at least the 2nd and probably much more than we gave up for him if he has another solid year. That’s worth it alone. Plus we give ourselves the opportunity to compete this year in a garbage division, whereas it would be a sunk year most likely with Daniel/Wentz. Plus we further increase our odds of finding a franchise QB by continuing to allow Bradford to grow in the healthiest situation he’s had in his career. Why sink a season if you dont have to and why give up on a talent like Bradfords, who could still conceivably become an elite QB when the guy you’re planning on drafting needs at least a year to sit on the bench. We’ve pretty much more than doubled whatever chance we had of finding a franchise QB by keeping Bradford AND drafting a top QB. The chances of one of them becoming the guy is better than betting on just one. You also don’t know if you’re actually going to be able to trade up. What if Cleveland was set on drafting a QB. We’d be stuck at 8 looking at Lynch who we don’t seem to like. So by signing Bradford, we increase our chances of getting a franchise QB, we don’t waste a year in which we could still win the division, we’re able to sell ourselves as a competitor instead of a rebuilder to FAs, we’ll most likely get significant trade value next year for him if we decide to move on, or we have a decent fall back option if Wentz straight up busts.

  301. 301 Tumtum said at 1:25 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    1. Perhaps they truly do like both guys equally and knew that both teams were willing to move on from the picks. This allowed them to play hardball on the first pick, which backfired slightly with the Ram’s paying what they did. The market was then set for the 2 pick, so they pretty much knew what they had to pay.

    2. Lots of answers to this question. First and foremost, nothing that happened after this signing was set in stone at the time it was done.

    They want to win this year, and they feel good about CD should Sam falter or more likely get injured.

    Knowing this team they paid only slightly more than the other guy, or just enough in difference to entice him without a starters spot.

    3. Again, they have said over and over they want to win this year. Also feel the need to repeat that nothing that happened after signing Sam was set in stone at the time of the signing. Your thinking that they shooting for 6-8 is flawed.

    Look the obvious tactic here is QB by any means necessary. If #2 happens to fail, but Chase or Sam become the franchise no one will ever care that 2 failed. Redundancy for vital system contributors is always good business. Weather we a dealing with storage servers, missile systems, or quarterbacks. Especially when the rate of failure on any of the components is unknown. Just like in those examples, if all of the components fail you are freaking boned. Much better than being freaking boned if one component fails.

  302. 302 BobSmith77 said at 11:58 AM on April 21st, 2016:

    I kind of see the reverse and this move buying Pederson/Roseman at least the next 3 years largely regardless of what happens on the field.

    Short of a calamity of QB injuries, Wentz isn’t going to play this year and even next year I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some ‘competition’ in camp.

    This is the kind of move (especially given what they gave up) that you are hoping paying real dividends 4-5 years down the road.

  303. 303 Fufina said at 12:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    If they go 5-11 this year, having stunk up the place on offence and been average on defence then Bradford is definitely gone and maybe even Chase with Wentz forced to start in 2017. If offence continues to blow in 2017 and Wentz struggles mightily then everyone gets fired at the end of the season.

    Think the hope is they play well in 2016 build momentum/confidence in the team/fanbase in Doug’s ability to win games and be a good NFL coach and ensures we continue to be an attractive free agency destination (and we will need to spend to fill holes left by lack of picks with ‘cheap’ rookie QB deal).

    Howie and Doug know they need to have some positive momentum early because Doug lacks NFL pedigree and Howie has a fair bit of baggage with the fan base already, That’s why in my opinion they retained Bradford because they could not risk not having a passable solution at the position.

  304. 304 BobSmith77 said at 12:07 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    One way or the other, this team hasn’t been boring the past 5 years with (Dream Team I & II), Kelly’s tenure, and now this offseason with its melodrama and personnel moves.

    I tend to agree with my friend though – While the Skins have finally have had Snyder take a back seat and establish some real continuity in the front office including possibly their best GM since Casserly, the Eagles have had a seemingly endless stream of melodrama the last few years marked by on-field and turbulence in the FO.

  305. 305 unhinged said at 12:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You know, Jeff Lurie has Hollywood Producer experience. Maybe his ownership of our team is more of a “role” than we realize.

  306. 306 A_T_G said at 12:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Not to give any ammo to those ducking and covering from the falling sky, but…
    Maybe Wentz is a Cali guy…

  307. 307 ICDogg said at 12:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  308. 308 Sean Stott said at 12:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    No way is the nice guy from North Dakota the one failing drug tests. McLane is a hack. Sometimes you need to use an ounce of common sense guy.

  309. 309 Joe Minx said at 12:21 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It’s a fake McLane.

  310. 310 Tdoteaglefan said at 12:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You wouldn’t get high if you lived in North Dakota?!

  311. 311 Sean Stott said at 12:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Don’t they lock you up there? And the towns probably have no other source of revenue other than writing tickets and fines, so I’d be nervous about it.

  312. 312 Joe Minx said at 12:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Fake account

  313. 313 ICDogg said at 12:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Looks like it, doesn’t it

  314. 314 Mac said at 1:21 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wait.. there’s a non-fake McLane?

    My mind keeps getting blown today.

  315. 315 Fufina said at 12:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    While this is a fake account it may cast a reason to get the trade done yesterday.

    IF Zeke and Bosa for example, get caught with positive tests and they suffer the normal your an idiot devaluation to their value then the #8 pick is suddenly a lot less valuable. I kinda assumed the NFL got the drug reports out earlier than late April considering the impact on draft stocks but if they are arriving this late it is another risk you manage to control by doing this trade early… assuming you have no concerns with Wentz/Goff getting busted.

  316. 316 ICDogg said at 12:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    That is true.

  317. 317 Greg Richards said at 12:37 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I read rumors that about a week ago that a “top SEC corner” failed a drug test. Then Middlekauf, while not having any knowledge of a failed drug test, said he heard Hargreaves would drop to Oakland’s pick or further. Seems to me he may be the guy.

  318. 318 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Report that Mackensie Alexander has a difficult personality and his college coaches aren’t saying great things about him to the NFL

  319. 319 RC5000 said at 1:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Marcus Peters or Justin Gilbert?

  320. 320 Tdoteaglefan said at 2:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I feel like Alexander could be very similar to Peters. He was my favourite target if we were still picking at 13,

  321. 321 ACViking said at 1:07 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    The only drug test Wentz would fail is for opium . . .

    As in Karl Marx’s religion is the opiate of the masses.

    He’s clean . . . I frisked him. I’ve frisked a thousand young punks.

  322. 322 A_T_G said at 1:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    My bad guys. Fake McLane account.

  323. 323 Stevo said at 12:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m curious if there is a concern that Carson Wentz will be over-coached. I mean, when your HC, OC and QB coach are all former QBs… Peterson being a West Coast guy; Reich coming from the K-gun/Run-and-shoot offense; and DiFillipo seems to have a pretty varied background. I’m not familiar with San Diego’s or Cleveland’s offenses last year, so would be curious how their backgrounds would mesh or not. I’m sure all three want to have their influence on Wentz, but it’s hard to have 3+ people in your ear all the time. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

  324. 324 mksp said at 12:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    *Some* on this board are losing their shit that Wentz won’t develop as a No. 3 QB.

    *Others* are worried he will be over-coached on account of all the former QBs in the organization.

    Presumably the answer is in the middle and he’ll be just fine.

  325. 325 ACViking said at 1:03 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    *Some* . . .

    I’ve counted only 1.

  326. 326 Mac said at 1:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I wouldn’t rule out MPD.

  327. 327 Stevo said at 1:03 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Two points you mentioned are not necessarily mutually exclusive. He’ll need reps AND he’ll need to have a clear plan for development – and likely someone will need to have his ear. Personalities/styles can be a factor, too… Reich seemed like a gunslinger back in his day and worked with Rivers in SD. Peterson worked with Alex Smith in a more conservative offense, which also seems to fit his personality. Curious how it all shakes out.

  328. 328 BobSmith77 said at 1:22 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Being ‘overcoached’ is the least of his problems unless this team has a new OC and QB coach every year.

    Still not a fan of Pederson being the OC and calling the plays. I hope the offense stinks this year & that he wisely decides to abdicate that role in ’17.

  329. 329 Rellihcs said at 8:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You hope that over the scenario where he coaches /play calls well and the team has success?!

  330. 330 ICDogg said at 12:48 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz seems like he’s mature and smart enough to deal well with stuff like that.

  331. 331 Sean Stott said at 12:37 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I guess I’m fine with Goff or Wentz. Goff, while having worse measurables and less measured athleticism, looks like the smoother, more fluid athlete to me. Has a prettier throw, backpedal, pocket presence. But he is too thin-framed, which his small hands are a symptom of.

    Wentz probably has the higher upside, but could he really not have gone to a more competitive division school?

    Also, while Wentz’s vertical of 30″ is nothing to brag about, Goff only had 27″, and that’s at 22 lbs lighter weight. I don’t even think Goff could dunk a basketball. He probably couldn’t even dunk on the goalpost. Even if he could get the requisite height, the ball would fall out of his hands because his hands are so tiny.

    Wentz doesn’t really seem to throw great when rolling out, not sure if that’s been called out or not. Last but not least, Goff definitely has more swagger than Wentz, which shouldn’t be underrated.

  332. 332 ICDogg said at 1:04 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz is a late bloomer. His height, his build, were not expected when he was coming out of high school. Didn’t even start in ND most of the time he was there.

    I think teams like the Eagles love his intelligence and work ethic.

  333. 333 Sean Stott said at 1:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I like that he was valedictorian, 40 wonderlic. That is much higher than 99th percentile of intelligence.

  334. 334 ICDogg said at 1:21 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    And quick thinking. Wonderlic questions not that hard, but time runs out before you expect

  335. 335 Duracell said at 4:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I thought he real wonderlic score was 29?

  336. 336 Tumtum said at 1:06 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wonder how many QBs can actually dunk.

  337. 337 Sean Stott said at 1:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I bet you Vick could dunk. I know McCoy and Boykin could. Barwin could EASILY posterize people. Cam Newton and Andrew Luck can both probably dunk. I bet Mariota could as well.

  338. 338 Tumtum said at 1:31 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Lots of those guys aren’t QBs lol. I know Vick could, PE.com had some fluff pieces that talked about. McNabb could too I think. I have a feeling more than half the starting NFL QBs could not dunk.

  339. 339 Sean Stott said at 1:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I just feel that if you’re 6’4″ and a professional athlete you need to be able to dunk. But yea, I bet you Flacco, maybe Manziel, Aaron Rodgers, Cutler, Mariota, Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor, Newton, and Luck could all dunk.

  340. 340 Tumtum said at 1:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I was iffy on Flacco almost listed him, but he probably can. Well probably could before he blew his knee out and played 2 quarters on it. I have to go with no way on Cutler.
    Oh thats right I never posted the list of guys who couldn’t dunk. I was making one and debated on Flacco.

  341. 341 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    maybe Rodgers, Cam, Luck, Smith, Osweiler, Mariota, Bortles, Taylor

  342. 342 ICDogg said at 1:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  343. 343 Tumtum said at 1:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    No way! That kids feet are so damn heavy.

  344. 344 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    FOles can dunk his ass Off… Plenty of videos… What 6’6 D1 basketball player can’t dunk?

  345. 345 Tumtum said at 1:50 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Google doesn’t back you up.

  346. 346 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:51 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    My eyes do tho…feel free to not believe it

  347. 347 ICDogg said at 1:52 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I saw him do it

  348. 348 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Any athlete at least 6’2 should be able to dunk, short of guys carrying a ton of mass of course.. A 6’2 300lb shouldnt be able to dunk, but most 6’2 Qbs, WRs, Corners SHOULD be able to dunk

  349. 349 Tumtum said at 1:48 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Jumping is not in a QBs required skill set. If they did not play a sport that caused them to develop jumping ability, there is no reason that they would ever be able to just dunk.

    I think just about anyone who practices it can probably do it. Even if they are shorter than 6’2″. To assume Peyton Manning, or any other QB ever practiced it, is assuming to much.

  350. 350 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:52 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Ok, I’ll give you that..but like half QBs probably could at some point. At least modern day QBs.
    But if a 6’2 DB or WR can’t dunk, there is something seriously wrong

  351. 351 ACViking said at 1:53 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Except for this guy . . .


  352. 352 A_T_G said at 2:04 PM on April 21st, 2016:


    And I am always amazed that those guys didn’t throw more interceptions, with everyone wearing similar shades of grey.

  353. 353 RC5000 said at 3:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Here’s a rope on a roll out in his last game so maybe he’s improving. I just posted it another comment.


  354. 354 ICDogg said at 12:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    So I made an offhand joke reacting to Harriet Tubman on the 20, that it didn’t matter who was scheduled to go on the currency because next year President Trump would have his face on all of it, and some Trump supporters followed me on Twitter

  355. 355 Sean Stott said at 12:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    That would be fan-tastic. Your jokes are really high energy, and great. Huge!

  356. 356 Tdoteaglefan said at 12:54 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    brilliant! they completely interpreted your comment as dismissing a visible minority while completely missing the fact that you were ridiculing their icon’s hubris and shameless self promotion.

  357. 357 Tumtum said at 1:04 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  358. 358 Julescat said at 2:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    try to keep your political opinions off a football related message board

  359. 359 Julescat said at 2:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    what does this have to do with the Eagles?

  360. 360 ICDogg said at 2:38 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  361. 361 Julescat said at 2:49 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I guess you’re in love with your own opinions

    just remember other people are not

  362. 362 A_T_G said at 2:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I actually read that tweet to my wife this morning. This makes it even better.

  363. 363 the DONALD said at 2:48 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    leave me alone! haha

  364. 364 GermanEagle said at 1:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    “If you have 3 QBs, you have none”

  365. 365 Sean Stott said at 1:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    We’ll have 4! Don’t forget ol’ McLeod Bethel-Thompson

  366. 366 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 1:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    What about 4

  367. 367 Mac said at 1:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    What about Lane Johnson?!

  368. 368 A_T_G said at 1:52 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    And Kenjon Barner. He never played QB but he has a really strong arm now (two, actually).

  369. 369 Tumtum said at 1:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Seattle disagrees.

  370. 370 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    in unrelated news…the other “Purple jesus”…Prince just died

  371. 371 GermanEagle said at 1:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  372. 372 ICDogg said at 1:22 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Holy shit. Didn’t see that coming

  373. 373 shah8 said at 1:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Allyouse media personalities, your kings and queens, your princes…The GRIM REAPER IS COMING FOR YOU THIS YEAR.

    Lizzy Tayler better watch her ass…

  374. 374 Bert's Bells said at 1:40 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He was hospitalized with the flu last week (I’m a huge fan and keep track of these things). I immediately thought of Jim Henson, another genius work-a-holic, who ignored his body and left too soon because he couldn’t stay in bed.

  375. 375 Tumtum said at 1:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Crazy to think of how dangerous the flu is. When you have it you feel like you are going to die, but you never actually think you will. To see someone with all the resources in the world go down to it is pretty scary.

  376. 376 Bert's Bells said at 1:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Henson was pneumonia, but still, same idea.

  377. 377 ICDogg said at 1:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Most people who think they have the flu, don’t.

  378. 378 Bert's Bells said at 1:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  379. 379 Tumtum said at 1:52 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wait are you a Dr. or did you just have a foot injury?

  380. 380 ICDogg said at 2:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Ha, not a doc. Just know that “flu-like symptoms” are not the flu.

  381. 381 myartz04 said at 2:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It’s like when people that have a bad headache claim they have a migraine.

  382. 382 ICDogg said at 2:08 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  383. 383 peteike said at 3:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    and didnt Prince follow some crazy diet, may not have wanted to take antis/meds etc also could have contributed. Just spit balling, sucks either way. Way too young

  384. 384 Bert's Bells said at 3:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    oh yeah, he had a crazy diet. Mostly just a constant worker. He’d be playing music 20 hours a day every day.

  385. 385 Tumtum said at 1:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  386. 386 unhinged said at 1:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Phenomenally gifted.

  387. 387 ICDogg said at 1:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Lynch going to go top ten

  388. 388 shah8 said at 1:41 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    And everyone who doesn’t need a QB will feast off of the real talent.

  389. 389 Sean Stott said at 2:03 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    What real talent? Other than Tunsil and Ramsey, are there any other elite prospects out there? Jack’s knee is shot, so he should no longer be considered cream of the crop talent.

  390. 390 ICDogg said at 2:06 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Buckner is elite IMO. Elliott. Bosa

  391. 391 P_P_K said at 3:38 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’ll by crying in my soup if Elliott, who no one seems to have wanted at #8, ends up with an NFC East team and shreds the Eagles D two times a season for the next 5-8 years.

  392. 392 ICDogg said at 3:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Could happen.

  393. 393 anon said at 4:55 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I was down for Elliot, i’ve watched him run through defenses enough times to know he’s worth it.

  394. 394 P_P_K said at 9:31 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I think whoever gets Elliot will be set in their backfield for years. Perhaps I don’t understand the draft well enough to appreciate people’s reluctance to take a rb early, but I think Zeke is a rare and worthwhile talent.

  395. 395 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Some interesting changes in the new mocks.
    Stanley getting picked before Tunsil. Tunsil falling to Chip.
    Hargreaves falling to 15(Titans) which I find more believable than Hqrgreaves going top 10
    myles Jack falling to #17(atlanta)

  396. 396 ICDogg said at 2:05 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Stanley before Tunsil would be most surprising

  397. 397 unhinged said at 1:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    After winning a couple superbowls, a retired Joe Montana recalled how Bill Walsh continued to hound him daily about his footwork. It is nice to know that Wentz is good at processing and taking coaching. I hope he gets effective mentoring.

  398. 398 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:49 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    According to “chucky”… Wentz “needs to bevome a two handed Monster” … When did Gruden exactly become this Charechature?

  399. 399 EaglesGameBalls said at 2:54 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    If you don’t think Pederson can mentor him then you should just stop being a philly fan til Pederson gets fired

  400. 400 unhinged said at 3:34 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Pederson is a rookie HC who intends to call the plays. If a green, small-college prospect is going to need constant monitoring, critiquing, feedback and grounding, while having no expectations of playing for a year or more, Pederson will be delegating a good deal of those responsibilities.

  401. 401 anon said at 4:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    he’s a rookie HC but he’s spent a lot of time around QBs. Think all of these moves have been animated by fact that we need a QB and someone that can develop a QB.

  402. 402 unhinged said at 6:58 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    My point wasn’t to dis DP or Reich or anybody. Nobody knows how our new HC will fare at the 40,000 daily tasks and the weekly challenges of in-game adjusting. If he turns out to be a prodigy, he’s still going to have a full plate. He will have a QB coach, an OC and probably 14 various assistants to do whatever he needs doing. When the itinerary is lengthy, sometimes the least immediate concern is at the bottom of the list. Yes, the rookie QB will be ever in the minds of fans, media and FO, but none of that speaks to the quality of the time that he gets with anybody. All I’m saying is it’s an unknown.

  403. 403 Rellihcs said at 8:38 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Maybe he could think out of the box and create a role for a coach just for qbs. Or, I know this is crazy, but, he could sign a badckup who’s a mentor type, or an OC who’s a former qb. Or schedule meetings and practices between games and film stuff… Nevermind. Too far fetched.

  404. 404 A_T_G said at 2:06 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Remember like 24 hours ago, when the big concern was that we had the #8 pick in a draft with five guys worthy of it?

  405. 405 ACViking said at 2:32 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I thought the focus of Eagles universe was on the front office waiting a full year to see if Bradford — after 6 years — would turn into a Top 5 QB.

  406. 406 Sean Stott said at 2:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He still has the potential to have potential.

  407. 407 anon said at 3:13 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Bradford has a host of plausible excuses, which is why he got another year. Top 10 qb would be fine with me.

  408. 408 P_P_K said at 3:34 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I hope he doesn’t go somewhere else and prove you right.

  409. 409 Lord of the Rings said at 2:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    now we are number 2 and only 1 genius QB with a high ceiling that the rams supposedly won’t take

  410. 410 P_P_K said at 3:33 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    That was a geologic age ago.

  411. 411 ACViking said at 3:34 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  412. 412 P_P_K said at 3:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Can’t open.

  413. 413 ACViking said at 3:37 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    just dinosaurs killing each other

    have abandoned the effort

  414. 414 P_P_K said at 3:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Chip and Howie?

  415. 415 Tdoteaglefan said at 4:05 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    ahhh the good old days seem so long ago

  416. 416 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Via Milwaukee journal sentinel:
    Annonymous Scout: “he has such a slight build”
    Scout #2 “needs to get bigger”
    Scout #3 “rattled by pressure”, “lacks that winner quality”
    Carson Wentz:
    scout 1 “I see everything” “arm strength, accuracy, toughness, athletic ability, smart, great kid”
    Scout 2: “Genius”
    scout 3. questioned his accuracy comparing him to Bortles
    Paxton Lynch:
    Scout 1: “the overall Maturity level and disposition, Id be a little concerned”
    Scout 2: “a ways away mentally”
    Conor Cook LOL
    Scout 1: “selfish, he goes out too much, it’s a tell tale sigń when teammates DONT like you, and I Know that they don’t ” yikes
    Scout 2: “the owner needs to fire the GM right after the pick if someone takes him in round 1”
    Scout 3: “the person Kills him”

  417. 417 Lord of the Rings said at 2:33 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    so the eagles end up with Goff then?
    why would rams pass on the genius great guy?

  418. 418 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Would the Rams passing on a genius really be that surprising. Now I understand why the dysfunctional Browns traded the pick lol

  419. 419 Lord of the Rings said at 2:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    and if they don’t pass?
    we take Goff anyway yes?

  420. 420 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:48 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    What do you want me to do about it? Tell fisher he isn’t allowed to take Wentz? It’s over, the Eagles are married to whoever the Rams DONT take, This isn’t what I want, but it’s going down at this point … It’s not like the eagles will decide to draft another position if the Rams take the guy they really wanted, can’t be giving up 5 picks for another position.
    the days of Ditka giving up his entire draft for a pothead RB are long gone…

  421. 421 Lord of the Rings said at 3:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    you mean you can’t do something about it?

  422. 422 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Your telling me,,

  423. 423 Cafone said at 7:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    In most of the clips I’ve seen, Goff looked the opposite of “rattled by pressure”

  424. 424 ACViking said at 2:30 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Looking for Belichick . . .

    Nick Kwiatkoski is going to start at MLB for a long time.— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) April 21, 2016

  425. 425 RC5000 said at 2:54 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Shhhhhh. Eagles spent a lot of time with him but maybe they want someone late such as two down MLB Steven Daniels (Tulloch type?). I’m afraid Nick may go higher than some had him. Hard to say because this is a fairly deep draft.

  426. 426 D3FB said at 7:34 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I think he’s more of a SAM but he could certainly play Mike as well.

  427. 427 RC5000 said at 2:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    For hope Eagles somehow get Goff guys (I am a Goff and Wentz guy) a ray of hope from my source BisonDakota on TATE. He cracks me up, he’s so excited he thinks he’s going 1st:

    As i reported in my other thread AROUND THE NFL.

    LA radio is reporting Wentz is the guy for the Rams. Also said that Goff might not even be showing up to visit the Rams now so its all but over it seems regarding #1 saga.

    there isn’t a direct link yet but stay tuned it should go out soon. (shefter and silver i’m sure are going to take heat and deny or say they were lied to) Fred Roggin who is extremely reliable and close to the Rams and the hosts counterpart said he has heard the same and even to the extent that Wentz was told per ND reporter.

    shortly on local radio in ND they got a LA radio personality who covers the Rams on the program. I will update you on the segment…….. 740 and 1660 out of ND are good stations to listen to but you are in Viking country and get cut programs out of the twin cities for obvious Wild and Vikings coverage. But Jack Michaels is also reporting from his show today and he will be on later locally with a guy named Hansen who is very involved with the Bisons and Michaels said that he was told the Rams owner or GM travelled personally to Wentz out to a local restaurant and then to bismark with Wentz family and told them he will be the player they select.

  428. 428 the DONALD said at 2:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Its all about the he says she says bullshit -Limp Bizkit

  429. 429 RC5000 said at 2:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Someone brought up an old classic Tatergeddon in response lol.

  430. 430 RC5000 said at 3:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    LA insider for the Rams said he suggests the Goff to Rams rumors were done on purpose to push away outside media influence so they do not control the message like they do for the Dodgers/LA Kings/Lakers and they wanted to make it known things would not start off that way in Los Angeles with the Rams…………..

    -Wentz was the guy the Rams wanted prior to the trade.

    -he rumors about Wentz being told by the Rams he said he has heard from other reliable sources that it is true but he was not given any indication from the Rams.

    -He also stated that he thinks a contract will be signed after the weekend and that Wentz and his agent approached the Rams about getting it done sooner than later so he can be all in from the start without any holdouts.

    -the Rams were never high on Goff and he has heard from very in the know football people that Goff is not worth even a 1st round pick at any spot.

    -heard personally by a Rams scout that Goff worried the Rams about how intelligent he is about the game.

    -Same scout said that Wentz is one of the highest IQ players he has been around in a long time.

    -Wentz is extremely engaging with high character/personality.

  431. 431 Anders said at 3:04 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I always thought it Wentz first for the Rams until just about everybody agreed it was Goff.

    I prefer Goff over Wentz, so this wouldnt sadden me at all

  432. 432 peteike said at 3:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    oh nooooooo

  433. 433 Insomniac said at 3:48 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Is this legit or is this OregonDuck/GEAGLE source BS? Please don’t get my hopes up like that.

  434. 434 ACViking said at 4:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I —

    The remark about the agent’s desire to cut a quick contract with the Rams is BS.

    Rookie pay scale already set the contract value. The only question is off-sets. Whatever the Bucs did with Winston is what the Rams will do.

  435. 435 peteike said at 4:06 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Ill tend to side with Howies hints over anyone speculating elsewhere to be honest.

  436. 436 ACViking said at 4:07 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    P —

    Roseman, during the presser, looked like he almost laughed when asked the question about who the Ram – Eagles would select.

    So either he’s a great liar. Or — like you suggest — he knows.

  437. 437 RC5000 said at 10:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yes and No. I posted it because it was funny. Do not get your hopes up. I don’t take it seriously but I learned not to lock into anything until it’s official or guy is wearing Rams hat or tweeting about coming to L.A.

    Yes is because L.A. nbc guy Fred Roggin & a couple L.A. reporters claim it’s going to be Wentz but with all the L.A. media someone’s probably going to be contrary.

    I think mods deleted posts because no link so they didn’t like it’s legitimacy.

  438. 438 Lord of the Rings said at 3:07 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I knew it.

  439. 439 EaglesGameBalls said at 2:50 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It will be Wentz even if the Eagle’s picked first.

  440. 440 the DONALD said at 2:56 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    will you be mad w Goff?

  441. 441 EaglesGameBalls said at 2:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Nope but really want Wentz

  442. 442 Lord of the Rings said at 3:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    and if they picked second and wentz is in La already, will it still be wentz?

  443. 443 EaglesGameBalls said at 3:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He is going to the draft livr. Its on nyc.

  444. 444 EaglesGameBalls said at 3:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Whoops my mistake. The draft is in Chicago so that is where he will be you stupid fool. What difference does it matter where he is anyway.

  445. 445 Lord of the Rings said at 5:40 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    boy you’re dumb.
    in LA means LA drafted him Einstein

  446. 446 EaglesGameBalls said at 7:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    There is no LA teams you dumb mother fucker!!

  447. 447 Lord of the Rings said at 7:37 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    oh somebody better tell the Rams

  448. 448 Lord of the Rings said at 7:49 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    do you know what LA stands for Einstein?

  449. 449 A_T_G said at 4:48 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    We will command them to return from Wentz they came, and then draft him.

  450. 450 EaglesGameBalls said at 2:56 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    #MakeAmericaGreatAgain birches. Don’t vote in rhat cankly assed bitch Hillary grandma Clinton

  451. 451 Rellihcs said at 4:31 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  452. 452 EaglesGameBalls said at 4:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Your they faq not me faqqot

  453. 453 Rellihcs said at 4:51 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Sober up and seek help. You sound like pee wee Herman.

  454. 454 EaglesGameBalls said at 4:57 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Who’s there faqqot, faqqot. Don’t talk shit you faqqot

  455. 455 EaglesGameBalls said at 7:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Fuq you fusing faqqot aqqed moqqer fuqqinh bitqq niqqa

  456. 456 Cafone said at 7:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m writing in Mumia.

  457. 457 ACViking said at 3:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz walked on in 2011. Then red-shirted.

    Knew about the red-shirt year.

    Didn’t know he was a walk-on.

  458. 458 anon said at 3:13 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    how does that make you feel?

  459. 459 ACViking said at 3:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Well . . .

    I’m hoping he’s the JJ Watt of QBs

  460. 460 anon said at 3:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I do wonder if coaches are buying based on his mind. Hope he’s more Russell Wilson than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

  461. 461 ACViking said at 3:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Great, but saddening, comp . . . Fitzpatrick.

    Translating what the eyes see to a very sharp mind and then to the limbs.

    Dan Marino didn’t let his mind get in the way.

  462. 462 P_P_K said at 3:32 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I sure hope you’re right. I’m concerned that Howie and Doug think they are qb whisperers that can bring out the potential in Wentz. I just don’t see the hype about Carson.

  463. 463 peteike said at 3:33 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    its more about the skill set that will translate then how a guy got into college or even the competition they faced. If you go that route didnt Goff have a terrible record. Its fun to parse it all I guess

  464. 464 anon said at 3:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Prefer good stats on a crappy team playing against real competition vs good stats on a good team against crappy competition + injury history + limited starts.

    He’s never seen a guy like JJ Watt rushing against him, gotta be a different feeling than playing against small school kids most of whose careers stop at college.

  465. 465 peteike said at 3:38 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    nice one though with the diminished additions at the end there lol. Good point though. I originally like Goff more per footwork and release but Ive changed my tune. Guess we get what we get but I started to worry about Goffs frame, it does look smallish but ya, injury history is real.

  466. 466 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:10 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It is nice tho to see a kid who has been calling plays instead of exclusively looking at the sideline for hand signals. I image it helps in a wordy west coast offense in the NFL.Obviously this shouldn’t be a deciding factor… But it’s so weird in principle that a small school like North Dakota is running more pro style offense than some of these big school spread-only offenses…. But I guess it’s nothing new, Urban Meyer and Saban DONT exactly win because of scheme. Simple schemes and let the thoroughbreds do the work.

  467. 467 anon said at 4:30 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Look how our defense did with a tougher scheme – now we’re moving to schwartz who just lets guys go eat.

  468. 468 P_P_K said at 3:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I hope you’re right but I’m more inclined to go with what anon just posted.

  469. 469 D3FB said at 7:32 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    NDSU is probably close to Cal in talent level, but they play in the FCS not the Pac 12.

  470. 470 RC5000 said at 3:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yes he only played QB his senior year in high school. He was 5-8 freshman in HS.

  471. 471 Lord of the Rings said at 3:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    don’t worry about it, Goff is the number 2 pick.

  472. 472 Sean Stott said at 3:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    To those in the Goff camp, what does he have that makes you want him more than Wentz?

    So far, for me, the only things I see is that he looks a lot smoother and faced better competition.

  473. 473 RC5000 said at 3:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    More accurate on deep balls (Wentz accuracy 20+ yards isn’t good yet), quicker release (Tony Romo type snap), younger, more experienced.

  474. 474 ACViking said at 3:25 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Goff’s pretty lean at the moment compared to Wentz.

    6’4″ 215lbs

    Brady entered the NFL at . . 6’4″ 211lbs.

    Point isn’t that Goff is Brady v.2.

    Just that Goff’ll put some weight and muscle on.

  475. 475 Sean Stott said at 3:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Tom Brady has bigger hands than Goff. I couldn’t find the size but visually it’s obvious. I worry about Goff putting on weight with his slight frame. Look at Bradford’s skinny legs for clues as to how that turns out.

  476. 476 Anders said at 3:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    How much does weight really matter?

    Nick Foles, Big Ben and McNabb are 3 of the heaviest QBs last many years and 3 of the most injury prone

  477. 477 unhinged said at 4:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Ben has been a play extender par excellent, and it has cost him, but he’s had off-field injuries that may have done more damage. DMAC was determined not to throw picks. That, plus a dearth of impressive WR’s, plus the fact that nobody ever bit on his play action had him take more than his share of abuse. It seems the QB’s ability to read and throw quickly is more protection than his physical stature. But the way the game has changed, the speed and the size of great defenders…I can definitely appreciate the concern about size.

  478. 478 Mitchell said at 4:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Theoretically it matters but I would enjoy a graph charting weight/BMI vs injury history

  479. 479 ACViking said at 3:31 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Bradford looks like Goff now.

    But the NFL swears his Combine H/W numbers were:

    6’4″ 236 lbs

    I still don’t believe it. Or he’s lost a ton of weight and shrunk.

  480. 480 anon said at 3:33 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    While he sits on the bench waiting for sammy b to get injured.

  481. 481 Jernst said at 9:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Tom Brady is 6’4″ 225 lbs

    Aaron Rodgers is 6’2″ 225 lbs with 9 3/8″ hands

    Dante Culpepper had 9.5″ hands as does Andy Dalton

    Colin Kaepernick has 9″ hands

    Micheal Vick has 8.5″ hands

    Joe Flacco has 9.6″ hands

    Tony Romo is 6’2″ 230 lbs and has 8.86″ hands

    Drew Brees is 6’0″ 209 lbs with 10″ hands

    Andy Dalton is 6’2″ 220 lbs with 9.5″ hands

    Is it just me or is Goff’s apparent size issue being way over blown. You’d think the dude was 5’10” 180 lbs with 7″ mitts.

    Goff’s only 21 years old too. And to get him up to the typically sized NFL starting QB we’re talking about him putting on 10 pounds and a half of an inch of hand length. I’m really not concerned about his size.

  482. 482 Lord of the Rings said at 3:25 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    we are all in the goff camp now.

  483. 483 ACViking said at 3:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    What’re you reading?

    The NFL Insiders (on twitter) have it Goff-LA, Wentz-PHI


  484. 484 Anders said at 3:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Those two are two of the biggest jokes on Twitter imo.

  485. 485 ACViking said at 3:29 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    no argument there.

    my comment — NFL insiders (on twitter) — was tongue in cheek.

  486. 486 Lord of the Rings said at 3:32 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    why would the rams take the lesser of two talents?
    RC5000 has it all below

  487. 487 P_P_K said at 3:30 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    For me, the level of competition is very important.

  488. 488 eagleyankfan said at 3:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I know – stick in the mud answer – Doesn’t matter. Spitz or Swallows – Doesn’t matter ….

  489. 489 Mac said at 5:08 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Might wanna go look in that mirror before you go posting about other people who say stupid things.

  490. 490 kajomo said at 8:22 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I like both, but prefer Goff for a few reasons

    1) experience – he has played a ton of games without much talent around him.
    2) level of competition – to me this is the least important factor
    3) age – this is my largest factor. The guy can recieve 3 years of nfl playing experience and strength/conditioning by the time he is the same age as Wentz. Guys like Brady and Matt Ryan have come into the NFL as lean players and have filled out while improving arm strength. Basically I feel a 24 year old Goff will be drastically better than Wentz is today at the same age.

  491. 491 Jernst said at 9:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Anticipation and touch, particularly on deep throws. Goff is head and shoulders above Wentz in those.

  492. 492 D3FB said at 7:29 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Pocket presence, accuarcy, ability to read a defense, ability to manipulate a defense, ability to move and keep his eyes downfield.

  493. 493 mtn_green said at 3:22 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Goff and wentz are not great. They’re probably the third and fourth best qbs to come out of draft in last two years. This is not a banner year for qbs.

  494. 494 Anders said at 3:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Consider Mariota and Winston was two of the best in decade, its not that damning.

    Also remember Bradford was once the best QB since Aikman (over any other QB)

  495. 495 RC5000 said at 3:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You’re probably right they’re 3rd and 4th but where you go wrong is they aren’t far behind them much.

    Fans like the big names but jury is out on them and even Luck he hasn’t fulfilled expectations. I know he’s in a bad organization but he’s like Vick, he takes a beating doing dumb stuff and his decision-making is questionable. . Wentz has to learn that too btw.

  496. 496 Anders said at 3:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I also seen people I respect (but just coach scouts of course), say the like Wentz as much as Mariota last year

  497. 497 mtn_green said at 4:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Mariotta’s accomplishments far outweigh anything wentz has done. Wentz wasn’t even good enough to make a pac 12 or sec team.

  498. 498 RC5000 said at 4:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It sounds minor but one of the things about Mariota was he had three productive years and he was only 21 with October birthday. Same with Goff. I like Mariota. I would take him over Goff though but I think Goff has a good shot if he gets in the weightroom.

  499. 499 Mitchell said at 4:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I love Lynch but he isnt better, now, than Goff. I could argue Wentz. He was always going to need a year or 2 to work on mechanics and a “pro” offense.

  500. 500 eagleyankfan said at 3:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    off topic and probably mentioned — thank goodness ESPN finally stepped up and got rid of that POS Schilling.

  501. 501 Julescat said at 3:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    it is off topic

  502. 502 laeagle said at 7:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  503. 503 ACViking said at 3:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    hear, hear.

  504. 504 Sean Stott said at 3:38 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He really took those beliefs to hard, but I would loathe the day I couldn’t post dank memes without losing my job.

  505. 505 eagleyankfan said at 3:41 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He tries to contain himself for TV. His true colors will come out in force one day. He slips from time to time. Hard to keep all that ignorance bottled up all the time….

  506. 506 Julescat said at 4:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    ESPN pretends to be an inclusive network but by firing someone for expressing an opinion that isn’t PC they prove they are only inclusive of opinions they approve of.

  507. 507 anon said at 4:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    That isn’t PC?

  508. 508 ICDogg said at 4:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He’s the guy on the left

  509. 509 ACViking said at 4:30 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    ESPN’s purpose is to make money for its owners — the Disney shareholders.

    Keeping an announcer who offends sponsors and paying consumers of ESPN information doesn’t further the whole capitalism thing.

  510. 510 anon said at 4:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Having a country run by corporations is a double edged sword.

  511. 511 Julescat said at 5:37 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    ABC/Disney/ESPN also push a political agenda for lobbyist money. Is Shilling defended BLM he would still be working.

  512. 512 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 6:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Or just be less of an ass hole.

  513. 513 Rellihcs said at 8:29 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Nope. You don’t get the difference between pro discrimination and anti discrimination movements do you?

  514. 514 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 4:35 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Would do people using the PC argument to defend idiots and ignorance? There’s correctness and there is decency

  515. 515 Rellihcs said at 8:23 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    The word choice of “inclusive” here is just bursting with irony.

  516. 516 anon said at 3:52 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Name the person behind this quote:

    “When you’re looking at trading up, at some point, your board drops off
    so dramatically in terms of how you evaluate that player. But the
    history of trading up for one player, when you look at those trades,
    isn’t good for the team trading up and putting a lot of resources into

    “Because the guys who are really good at the draft, if
    you’re hitting on 60 percent of your first-round picks, that’s a pretty
    good track record. And then it’s dropping as you go through the rounds.
    So really, the more chances you get, the more tickets to the lottery you
    get, the better you should be doing.”

  517. 517 peteike said at 3:55 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    was Howie, now Hue

  518. 518 ICDogg said at 3:55 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Howie said that in response to speculation about trading up to get Mariota

  519. 519 A_T_G said at 4:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Howie showier said that in reference to mere mortals who are only “really good” at drafting. We are on a whole other level here.

  520. 520 Insomniac said at 3:53 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Goff is too small! He’s too thin!!

    Derek Carr

    6’3, 215lbs, 9″ hands

    Jared Goff

    6’4, 215lbs, 9″ hands

    Teddy B

    6’3, 215lbs, 9″ hands

  521. 521 ACViking said at 4:05 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    But Carr was a 2nd Rd pick.

    I kid. Great point.

    Goff’s 21 going on 22. He’s gonna get bigger.

    Look at Fletcher Cox. Anyone think he’s still 298lbs?

  522. 522 Sean Stott said at 4:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    There’s a reason those guys were picks #32 and an early 2nd, not early 1st.

    edit: There’s also a reason that the teams that picked those guys either play in a dome or in warm weather. You don’t see those small hand guys going to a cold weather city.

  523. 523 Insomniac said at 4:59 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    That’s funny. Carr would be the first QB taken in this years draft.

  524. 524 Sean Stott said at 5:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He definitely would not be.

  525. 525 Insomniac said at 5:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Right..so how much do you actually know about both guys again?

  526. 526 Sean Stott said at 5:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Let’s see, the QBs who have been universally mocked to go Top 10, if not higher, vs. the guy who sat until the 2nd round. I guess I know about as much as 32 GMs then?

  527. 527 Insomniac said at 5:04 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    The Raiders found their franchise QB while the guy that you love is being touted highly only for his physical traits and has to sit on the bench for 2 years?

  528. 528 Sean Stott said at 5:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You could literally make the same argument for why Carr should have been picked over Blake Bortles. I don’t understand how you’re missing the logic. Derek Carr could be outstanding, it doesn’t change the fact that he was not viewed as an elite tier QB prospect at all in 2014. Which is why he wasn’t picked in the first round.

  529. 529 Insomniac said at 5:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    “But he was picked higher so he must be better”

    Yea no that’s not how the NFL works.

  530. 530 Sean Stott said at 5:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I don’t want to be a dick, but are you always so obtuse in discussions? If everyone knew Tom Brady would be who he ended up being, he would have gone first overall. We don’t know how the players will ultimately shape out, that’s why you use critical thinking and analysis to determine which has the best shot. Again, everyone thought Blake Bortles had a better shot of being a top tier pro QB than Derek Carr.

    If Derek Carr was in this draft, everyone would think Wentz has a better shot at being a top tier pro QB. It’s not really that complicated, you are conflating imperfect drafting with hindsight bias, and what you’re saying doesn’t really make any sense whatsoever.

  531. 531 Insomniac said at 5:41 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Nah man, you’re not making any sense. You’re making it out like higher picks always have higher chances of success. Did you realize teams sometimes take raw prospects with a high draft pick too? Does that make their rate of succeeding higher because “everyone” thought he would?

    The draft is imperfect so stop mindlessly rambling.

  532. 532 Sean Stott said at 5:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  533. 533 RogerPodacter said at 5:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    lol looks like sact.

  534. 534 Insomniac said at 5:49 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Stooping to EaglesGameBalls levels when you can’t answer the initial question. Right you’re totally not salty af.

  535. 535 Sean Stott said at 5:50 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    No, I just realized that you have the reasoning and comprehension skills of a child, so I thought a picture might help.

  536. 536 Insomniac said at 5:55 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I bring a hollistic view while you’re still arguing in a vacuum. You’re a brick wall dude.

  537. 537 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 5:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It wasn’t on account of measurables

  538. 538 Greg Richards said at 5:32 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m with you on Carr. Bridgewater is never going to be anything more than mediocre.

  539. 539 Insomniac said at 5:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Unpopular opinion here but I’m with you.

  540. 540 BlindChow said at 5:54 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    But what do the Browns think?

  541. 541 Insomniac said at 6:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    should have traded for Bradford.

  542. 542 anon said at 5:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Just gotta build the offense around his lack of an arm. Mike Wallace and TB shouldn’t be on the same team.

  543. 543 Jernst said at 9:29 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’ve heard that same thing repeated over and over and I keep sitting there afterwards asking myself when did 6’4″ 215 lbs become “Too Small”? Hell, when did it become small at all?

  544. 544 Jernst said at 9:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Tom Brady is 6’4″ 225 lbs
    Aaron Rodgers is 6’2″ 225 lbs with 9 3/8″ hands
    Dante Culpepper had 9.5″ hands as does Andy Dalton
    Colin Kaepernick has 9″ hands
    Micheal Vick has 8.5″ hands
    Joe Flacco has 9.6″ hands
    Tony Romo is 6’2″ 230 lbs and has 8.86″ hands
    Drew Brees is 6’0″ 209 lbs with 10″ hands
    Andy Dalton is 6’2″ 220 lbs with 9.5″ hands

    Is it just me or is Goff’s apparent size issue being way over blown. You’d think the dude was 5’10” 180 lbs with 7″ mitts.

  545. 545 Insomniac said at 11:02 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Its’s being way overblown at this point.

  546. 546 ACViking said at 3:59 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    So here’s the argument for the Rams choosing the Eagles’ preferred QB . . .

    Mike Quick.

    Long story short . . .

    In the run-up to the ’82 draft, Vermeil told close friend Chuck Knox, the Bills HC, that Vermeil loved Clemson WR Perry Tuttle — and that’s who the Birds would take. Eagles needed a deep threat.

    Birds were selecting 20th. Bills drafting 21st.

    So when Denver’s on the clock at #19, Knox calls Broncos HC Dan Reeves and offers a 4th Rd pick to move ahead of the Eagles.

    Knox and Bills select Tuttle.

    Vermeil, now steaming, settles for Mike Quick — ranked the 3rd best receiver in the draft, because he was not considered a burner, behind UTenn Anthony Hancock and Tuttle.

    So anyway . . . Quick has a near-HOF career.

    Hancock, who went 11th overall to KC, and Tuttle combine for a *total* of 98 receptions in a combined 8 years.

    So, if the Birds have to settle for their second choice, maybe it works out far better than the alternative.

    At least it’s a way to rationalize what happens on 2016 draft night.

  547. 547 daveH said at 4:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    And thus the basis for fake outs, spoofing. faking intetest, deflection of interest and ok lying also.
    Great story TY.

  548. 548 unhinged said at 4:08 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Is the moral, “Be Careful What You Wish For” or “Don’t Trust Anyone”?

  549. 549 ACViking said at 4:11 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    As high school teammate on the football team said when asked if he was kicked off the team for getting caught smoking . . . .


  550. 550 EaglesGameBalls said at 4:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You took over for geakle with the long fucking posts?

  551. 551 Julescat said at 5:33 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    didn’t you lose a bet and promised to stop posting here?

  552. 552 Tumtum said at 5:06 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I really hope this memory of yours is employed at NASA or something.

  553. 553 SteveH said at 6:53 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    More importantly, Knox was dis-invited from the Vermeil family Thanksgiving dinner that year.

  554. 554 Cafone said at 7:33 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Perry Tuttle had a hell of a career in the CFL

  555. 555 ICDogg said at 4:56 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Quick poll

    Who do you hope they get between the two?

    Goff or Wentz?

    I’m on team Wentz

  556. 556 Sean Stott said at 4:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz. I look at Wentz’s ceiling as closer to Luck, with Goff’s closer to Matt Ryan.

  557. 557 Insomniac said at 5:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz can barely read a defense and he’s being called the next Luck? Loving physical traits for a QB has no limits.

  558. 558 Dave said at 5:08 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    “Wentz can barely read a defense”

    I haven’t heard that. Is that your opinion, or are you referring to something you read?

  559. 559 Insomniac said at 5:11 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Referring to what I saw.

  560. 560 Jernst said at 9:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    If you watch his tape, not just his highlights, you’ll notice that he really locks on to his first read, rarely gets to his second and almost never hits his third read. And, he sits in the pocket for an obscenely long time on more than a few plays seemingly on pause before winding up to throw and it seems like he’s not moving his head, just waiting for the one guy he’s locked onto to shake his coverage.

  561. 561 Sean Stott said at 5:15 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    No one is calling him the next Luck. All of these players are merely prospects. You have to project what you think they’ll be capable of, then hope they can get there.

  562. 562 Insomniac said at 5:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m pretty sure you’re just running off of a quote by Mayock.

  563. 563 Sean Stott said at 5:21 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    No, if anything I make fun of the things that Mayock says and don’t think he’s that great. But please, change the argument when you’re clearly jumping to incorrect conclusions.

  564. 564 Insomniac said at 5:25 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    No I’m pretty sure you are. Wentz has the ceiling of Luck? Luck was the most NFL ready QBs ever. Wentz is a FCS QB that is lacking on the mental side of being a QB. It’s night and day if you compare game film.

  565. 565 peteike said at 5:50 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I just watched some break downs yesterday of him making excellent reads and progressions. Of course one can pick and choose plays to do that with but thats what we have to work with.

  566. 566 Insomniac said at 5:59 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m not seeing that. Wentz locks onto his receivers too much.

  567. 567 peteike said at 6:02 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    ya I mean Im also reading everyones elses evaluations of these guys and there is def good and bad for both. Hate hearing that though if youve watched a lot, only can hope sitting for a year can help

  568. 568 Insomniac said at 6:03 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I hope so too. I don’t want him to fail if he comes here but the odds are pretty stacked against him so far.

  569. 569 sonofdman said at 7:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Just out of curiosity, why do you say Wentz is lacking on the mental side of being a QB? Everything I have read (admittidley not that much) has said he is very smart.

  570. 570 Insomniac said at 10:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz is actually pretty good pre-snap. After that it’s just all over the place. His tendency to lock onto receivers is what kills it all. Wentz is not working the defense with his eyes by just staring down his WR and telegraphing his throws. Sometimes he gets away with it and throws into a very tight window. Sometimes he doesn’t and gets sacked (internal clock issues).

  571. 571 EaglesGameBalls said at 5:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He next big Ben. Wentz looks so good. I just hope the rams are dumb.

  572. 572 Jernst said at 9:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    My thoughts exactly. I feel like if you showed his same tape to people without all the hype created over the fact that he’s 6’5″ 235 lbs with a 4.7 forty and told people he was 6’1″ 205 lbs and ran a 4.9 forty, they’d have a totally different reaction to him.

  573. 573 Insomniac said at 4:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  574. 574 EaglesGameBalls said at 4:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz is better. Goff hair too blonde . looks like Arian race deciple

  575. 575 Jernst said at 9:21 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    We’re going off hair and you picked Wentz? The dude is a ginger. He’d automatically be ranked dead last on that alone if it wasn’t for Paxton Lynch’s ridiculous hair-do.

  576. 576 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:59 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m on team Wentz.

  577. 577 Tumtum said at 5:03 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Goff i suppose

  578. 578 peteike said at 5:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz. Was on Goff prior but switched

  579. 579 Lord of the Rings said at 5:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  580. 580 RC5000 said at 6:05 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I like french fries and mashed potatoes.

  581. 581 Cafone said at 7:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wentz, but fine with either.

  582. 582 Media Mike said at 7:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’d prefer Goff, but Wentz would be great as well.

  583. 583 Jernst said at 9:20 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Goff. I like his accuracy, touch and anticipation on throws. Wentz’s tape doesn’t really excite me all that much.

  584. 584 D3FB said at 7:24 AM on April 22nd, 2016:


  585. 585 b3nz0z said at 5:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    i’m trying to get my head around this trade by mocking. i wanted to take tunsil at 2 so bad but i reminded myself how we got to 2.
    Round 1 Pick 2: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)

    Round 3 Pick 16: Karl Joseph, SS/FS, West Virginia (A)

    Round 5 Pick 14: Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA (A+)

    Round 5 Pick 25: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (A)

    Round 6 Pick 13: De’Vondre Campbell, OLB, Minnesota (B-)

    Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 30: Wendell Smallwood, RB, West Virginia (B+)

  586. 586 EaglesGameBalls said at 5:32 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    They should get a third from dencer. Then use that to move to 2nd take OL

  587. 587 Lord of the Rings said at 5:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    derp derb dunt bert bing peft perft

  588. 588 Media Mike said at 7:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I absolutely cannot pick at 3-16 and still find guys I like by the time I get down to 5-14. I’ve been trading down and trying to recoup some value.

    Here is an example.

    Round 1 Pick 2: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 25 (G.B.): Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 3 (DAL): Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 27 (G.B.): Harlan Miller, CB, Southeastern Louisiana (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Travis Feeney, OLB/ILB, Washington (B+)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Paul McRoberts, WR, Southeast Missouri State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Doug Middleton, FS, Appalachian State (B)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Luther Maddy, DT, Virginia Tech (B-)

  589. 589 myartz04 said at 5:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I love how everyone already has decided what Goff/Wentz can or can’t be. Why not shut the fuck up and root your ass off for whoever the Eagles pick. There is enough evidence in NFL history to suggest that they can be the best QB to ever live (remember Montana was no where close to as physically gifted as Wentz) and they could end up being the next Ryan Leaf. Chances are they will end up somewhere in between. You guys should all stop acting like you know because you watched a couple youtube videos and just root for the damn kid.

  590. 590 Insomniac said at 5:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    What else are we supposed to do during draft season?

  591. 591 myartz04 said at 5:50 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    For a lot of people on this blog, they should work on their resumes so they can interview for a GM job in the future.

  592. 592 Insomniac said at 5:51 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Does that give me more time to argue on the internet instead of doing contract IT work?

  593. 593 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 6:53 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You expect Eagles fans to not complain? What are you going to do when the Dolphins grab Zeke at 13 and people lose their minds?

  594. 594 Nick C said at 5:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Our cap situation is getting pretty tight, especially next year. I know Bradford probably won’t be here at that point, but without quite a few top picks, we may need some free agents to fill holes the next few years. Due to lack of ideal scheme fit, I wouldn’t made trading Barwin for a late 2nd or 3rd. We definitely have quite a few areas we could upgrade and add depth.

  595. 595 Sean Stott said at 5:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Next year will be tighter, but I think, as you’re alluding to, it will get really hard in a few years when the newer talent on the team came more from free agency than it usually would from the draft (i.e. cheap talent). It will definitely sting a little bit in 2-3 years time.

  596. 596 anon said at 5:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Think lots of money will come off after this year / next year.

  597. 597 Nick C said at 5:51 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You should check out the cap situation. We actually have less space because of the back loading of the new contracts this offseason. Yes, guys like Bradford and Peters will likely come off, but you’re forgetting the Cox extension will probably eat up around 15M.

  598. 598 Insomniac said at 6:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Have to resign Bennie Logan too. It’ll only get worse if Logan has a good season this year.

  599. 599 peteike said at 5:47 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  600. 600 Cafone said at 7:30 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’ll worry about the cap situation if it ever becomes an actual issue.

  601. 601 oreofestar said at 7:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    If anyone offers a 2/3 for Barwin he’s gone

  602. 602 anon said at 7:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    vision could easily get muddled, are we competing or rebuilding

  603. 603 oreofestar said at 7:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    If you can get a day 2 pick for a dude who doesn’t fit your scheme and likely was gonna just be rotational player you do it, other you are rebuilding or not

  604. 604 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 8:09 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Don’t forget overpaid

  605. 605 Jernst said at 8:21 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Meh…we can make $26.2M in space appear just by cutting Peters and Bradford. Cutting Barwin would save $7.7M
    Graham $5.5M
    Mathews $4M
    Kelce $3.8M
    McKelvin $3.2M
    Barbre $1.8M
    Ron Brooks $1.6M
    MS2 $1.5M
    Gardner $1.1M

    Obviously not advocating that we cut all these guys, but just showing you that there’s plenty of space to be had. At least some of these guys will not be in the future plans, some might regress in the new scheme. And the most likely candidates just so happen to be the highest paid (i.e. Bradford, peters, one of either Graham or Barwin, Ryan Mathews, McKelvin, Barbre, Brooks, MS2 could all…at least some…be realistically cut next offseason). Even if both Barwin and Graham Stayed as well as Kelce and Gardner since their all good players still. Those other likely to be cut players would net us about $47M. We’re projected to be about $4M over the cap in 2017. The cap will go up by about $10M. That gives us $6M and the ability to rather painlessly generate as much as $53M in cap space with the only projected starters being cut: a 35 year old Peters, Bradford, Ryan Mathews.

  606. 606 Media Mike said at 8:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    “we can make $26.2M in space appear just by cutting Peters and Bradford. Cutting Barwin would save $7.7M”

    I think you meant trading. I’m not trying to lose dudes for zero compensation.

  607. 607 Jernst said at 9:13 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Well yea…absolutely. Bradford is a prime trade target. Signing him for 2 years before drafting a QB was brilliant. If Bradford comes out this year with a chip on his shoulder and plays lights out…what an awesome problem to have. Wentz becomes a prime trade candidate if he loses the competition to Bradford and we get back the compensation we spent to get him. If Wentz busts, we have a fall back plan. But, most likely Wentz shows us enough to have confidence in him to be the franchise guy and next offseason (assuming Bradford plays like he did down the stretch last year) we could trade Bradford and reasonably expect to receive a first in 2017 and a 2nd in 2018 in return. Essentially making the trade up for Wentz cost Maxwell, Alonso, a 3rd and a 4th round pick. That’s magic.

    Peters probably won’t get you much on the trade market. He’d be the oldest offensive lineman in the league and assuming that the reason we’re cutting him is because he continued to break down this year, not sure anyone’s going to give you anything substantial for him. But, maybe a later round pick.

    People like Barwin and Graham would also be prime trade candidates. Could probably get a 3rd or 4th round pick for each of them.

  608. 608 Media Mike said at 9:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’d take a 7th before I took nothing.

  609. 609 Jernst said at 9:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Well of course…so would I. Like I said, wasn’t advocating cutting all or really any of them. Just showing the type of space that could easily be created.

  610. 610 Henly Rodriguez said at 6:08 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m a day late of sharing my excitement with you guys, but MAN I’m hyped they pulled this trade off! I just finished checking out Wentz on Gruden’s QB Camp and came away impressed. I hope he pans out. I’m glad the Eagles made the move to climb out of QB mediocrity.

  611. 611 Dave said at 6:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    lol, I watched Gruden’s QB Camp last night. Tonight I start with the senior bowl practices, then the senior bowl, and then hopefully, I’ll have watched his combine performance before the draft. I’m glad I recorded everything over the past few months just for this scenario.

  612. 612 SteveH said at 7:13 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Biggest drawback I can see to this trade is draft day is going to be hella boring now. We already know the #2 pick (or at least that it’s going to be 1 of 2 people) and then we don’t pick again until #79, and after that not again until 153.

    I lose interest in who other people are picking by the end of the first round so I hardly have a reason to tune in most of the weekend.

  613. 613 GermanEagle said at 7:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    No kidding?! 😉

  614. 614 oreofestar said at 7:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  615. 615 anon said at 7:31 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Chip loves paying for corners.

  616. 616 oreofestar said at 7:32 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    What if the Skins got him, would be hilarious if Norman ended up in Beck’s division

  617. 617 anon said at 7:39 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    MUST HAPPEN. Though breeland and norman would be a pretty amazing duo. Our WRs would be shut down.

  618. 618 oreofestar said at 7:40 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It would be worth it, our wrs suck so they’re getting shut down regardless

  619. 619 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 8:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I don’t think Jmatt sucks. Nor would I place the label on Randle.

  620. 620 wee2424 said at 9:10 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think Randle could possibly be one of the most underrated signings of the offseason in the NFL. He is a large upgrade over what we had last year.

  621. 621 wee2424 said at 8:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Do you view Norman as that good? I think he is a good CB, but his play will drop off by a decent margin being away from Car. I definitely dont see him as a 14-15 mil type guy.

  622. 622 Lord of the Rings said at 7:57 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    at least this one is actually good. but can he handle 2 extra games on a losing team?

  623. 623 A_T_G said at 8:59 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Going from the proud and respected defense in Carolina to, um, something else under Chip is going to be quite a shock.

    I still think he is just getting price points, though, to take back to Carolina.

  624. 624 wee2424 said at 8:34 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    You would think Chip would be wary about this due to Maxwell. With that said it could all very well be Baalke.

    I wouldnt mind him going to Washington really. Let him tie up some of their cap space. I just dont see him playing at near the same level in Wash as he did with Car.

  625. 625 Cafone said at 7:29 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    A week ago I didn’t think the primary discussion would be which of the two QBs we are going to get.

  626. 626 Media Mike said at 7:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    This is still very hard to process.

  627. 627 Cafone said at 8:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Brandon Graham talking some defense:


    He’s such a likeable person. I think I’m going to get a Graham jersey this season.

  628. 628 Mitchell said at 9:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Chips gone so youre safe.

  629. 629 D3FB said at 7:21 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I have a Graham 54 (his rookie year) jersey. I need help.

  630. 630 Cafone said at 1:14 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    start a “retire Frank LeMaster’s jersey” campaign.

  631. 631 anon said at 8:10 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    The Rams hosted both Goff and Carson Wentz this week. It’s believed that the Rams last week and the Eagles this week traded up to the top two spots in the draft to select quarterbacks,though the Rams have not said if they’ll select Goff or Wentz.

    The Rams announced the completion of Goff’s visit via their official team Twitter account Thursday, then made a similar post saying that Wentz had visited. The
    team then posted exclusive video interviews with both on its website.

  632. 632 Insomniac said at 8:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Two QBs entered. One left the building.

    I’m hoping the Rams tied Wentz up and let Goff go.

  633. 633 anon said at 8:23 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    me too much rather Goff and he can sit and put on meat.

  634. 634 Media Mike said at 8:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He can do a Philly eating tour with Brooks.

  635. 635 Jernst said at 9:04 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Goff shows the anticipation and touch that you see with elite QBs. Wentz is the classic measurables prospect that’s off the charts on everything that doesn’t matter nearly as much as touch, accuracy, anticipation.

    That being said, Wentz is a bit unique as a measurables guy in that he does have an elite personality, work ethic, intelligence, ect.

  636. 636 wee2424 said at 9:08 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Agree for the most part, but i really dont think there is that much of a difference as far as accuracy goes between the 2. An argument could be made that Wentz actually has better accuracy.

  637. 637 Jernst said at 9:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I haven’t seen that argument made either anecdotally or with stats. Not saying it isn’t true. I have not seen all their games to know for sure, but from what I have seen Goff has far superior accuracy, touch and particularly anticipation where he throws his WRs open, like a Drew Brees. Wentz is more of a wait till he sees that his WR is already open and then rocket it in there type of guy, like McNabb was.

    And, if you look at the breakdown of accuracy percentage by distance and side of the field thrown to, Wentz is like a full 15-20% lower than Goff. Too lazy at the moment to look up that chart, but Wentz was atrocious on throws over 20 yards.

  638. 638 D3FB said at 7:20 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    PFF College (much better than their pro site) has it broken down and Goff was far more accurate.

  639. 639 Greg Richards said at 8:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Anyone watching this mock draft special on ESPN?

    Jack Conklin at 7 to the 49ers?
    Chris Jones at 14 to Raiders?

  640. 640 ICDogg said at 8:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Not watching. Don’t think Conklin goes at 7.

  641. 641 Insomniac said at 8:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think Jones will be very good. Conklin at 7 is a joke.

  642. 642 Media Mike said at 8:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’d rather Coklin at 10 to the Giants.

  643. 643 oreofestar said at 9:45 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Thats still too high IMO

  644. 644 BlindChow said at 9:57 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    *eyes you suspiciously* you have something against the Giants reaching for a guy?

  645. 645 wee2424 said at 8:29 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Agree, however some people are amazingly high on Conklin. Im not sure why, but i wouldnt be surprised to see him go a little earlier then predicted. With that said, i dont see him going at 7 in any situation.

  646. 646 Media Mike said at 8:30 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    They’re just high on drugs.

  647. 647 Media Mike said at 8:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Jones was invited to the draft by Gil Brandt. Somebody must be hinting that like him in round 1. #14 is a bit rich however.

  648. 648 BreakinAnklez said at 12:52 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    DJ had him going Top 15 in his mock a couple weeks ago

  649. 649 Mitchell said at 9:12 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Conklin at 7 with Stanley still on the board….. Good ‘ol Kiper.

  650. 650 ICDogg said at 8:13 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I made a crack about Charlie Casserly earlier, but he made a good point, as Jimmy Kempski pointed out. When Howie said he was looking at the next few years when considering when to move up for a QB, he’s taking into account that about half the teams in the league need QB now, have an aging QB, or have a QB coming off a single good season such as Cousins and Tyrod Taylor. There will be a lot of competition for good QB prospects and the trade cost to get into position to grab one is likely to go up.

  651. 651 wee2424 said at 8:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Very good point. The demand for QB is only going to increase with the supply dwindling. Unfortunately I think this is really going to hurt the quality of the average NFL game.

    The NFL really needs to count on the most recent crop of QBs panning out.

  652. 652 Media Mike said at 8:29 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    The NFL needs a minor league to really teach these dudes how to play the game the right way. O line play sucks as well.

  653. 653 Bob Brewer said at 8:40 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    People have to want to buy tickets to minor league. I don’t think there’s a market for it.

  654. 654 Media Mike said at 8:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    If you put those squads in areas that lack an NFL team, you could generate some ticket sales. You’d also be able to get a lower level TV deal.

    Might be worth the money to keep the game at a high level now that risk ruining it long term with too many clown type players in the league.

  655. 655 A_T_G said at 8:50 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    A minor league would draw talent currently playing on college teams, weakening their product and helping to open a market.

  656. 656 Media Mike said at 8:52 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Especially with guys like Fournette, who really don’t need to play any more snaps for free.

  657. 657 A_T_G said at 8:54 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    And guys like Elliot (was it?) who tweeted that it was stupid that the college makes the football players go to class.

  658. 658 Media Mike said at 9:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He’s not alone and/or wrong.

  659. 659 wee2424 said at 9:04 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He is wrong because the LARGE majority of college athletes will not go pro.

  660. 660 Media Mike said at 9:07 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    And far too many of them aren’t legitimate students and are only there to generate revenue for the university. There is absolutely a bare bones minimum effort from these schools to enroll student-athletes in top D1 football and basketball programs.

  661. 661 wee2424 said at 9:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    That is a very good point, however i think making them go to classes holds them to some type of standard, even if that standard isnt always followed. Its a way to keep them out of trouble as well.

  662. 662 Insomniac said at 9:42 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I think that was Cardale Jones

  663. 663 ICDogg said at 9:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yes, he came to play football, not to play school

  664. 664 A_T_G said at 6:19 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    That sounds more familiar.

  665. 665 peteike said at 9:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Nope. Did we forget about the ufl and nfl Europe. They essentially tried it already and it failed

  666. 666 Mac said at 8:56 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Already have the browns for that. College 2.0

  667. 667 wee2424 said at 8:59 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Every college in the nation should be upset at that comment.

  668. 668 wee2424 said at 9:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Does need it, but wont happen unfortunately.

  669. 669 Media Mike said at 9:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    We’ll see.

  670. 670 wee2424 said at 9:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Lets not hold our breath.

  671. 671 Media Mike said at 9:03 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    True enough. I think it’ll take another 5 to 10 years of further devolution of the quality of systems being played in college to provoke a move to a minor league, but I think they need to do it.

  672. 672 wee2424 said at 9:30 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    And a large drop in the quality of NFL games resulting in suffering viewership numbers.

  673. 673 A_T_G said at 8:52 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    As a side note, that astute observation was brought to Jimmy’s attention by our very own Greg Richards, who made sure to give credit where it was due when Jimmy complimented him on it.

  674. 674 Jernst said at 8:41 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    **non-football related post**

    In honor of Prince, after his sudden and incredibly unfortunate and far too young passing today I’d like to share a video of one of the sickest guitar solos I’ve ever seen…by the master himself, Prince


  675. 675 Jernst said at 8:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    And, let’s be honest (on a more football related note) has there been a better halftime show at the Super in the past 10 years? Ever? Prince absolutely killed it in 2007!


  676. 676 sonofdman said at 2:12 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I agree. Definitely the best Super Bowl half-time show I remember.

  677. 677 Lord of the Rings said at 6:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    daaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmn that was sick

  678. 678 Media Mike said at 8:59 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Kiper and McShay just put together an absolutely putrid mock draft, yet neither guy was even close to being the dumbest person on the set……………….Louis Riddick remains one of the biggest idiots alive.

  679. 679 Jernst said at 9:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Yea…it really is no surprise that Riddick hasn’t been able to land a job in the NFL in almost a decade.

  680. 680 Media Mike said at 9:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Precisely, but he LOVES obsessing about his betters who beat him out for jobs.

  681. 681 Greg Richards said at 9:58 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Did he mention that in the pre-draft show? From other things I’ve seen, it seems like he likes Wentz.

  682. 682 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 9:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    It’s was that bad?

  683. 683 Media Mike said at 9:15 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    If they publish the list somewhere, you’d die laughing.

  684. 684 Insomniac said at 9:44 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Some people pay a subscription fee to see those lol.

  685. 685 oreofestar said at 9:46 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  686. 686 oreofestar said at 9:50 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  687. 687 Greg Richards said at 9:57 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    See, I have to disagree there. While he comes off as opinionated to me and somewhat arrogant, he never comes off as unintelligent. I could definitely see how his personality would clash with Roseman or any fellow exec.

  688. 688 al said at 2:17 PM on April 24th, 2016:

    It is a smoke screen, they are taking Tunsil, best left tackle coming out of college in years