SammyGate Update

Posted: April 26th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 491 Comments »

No real updates on the Sam Bradford situation.

Jeff McLane wrote a good piece on the overall situation. Here’s the one key new item.

During an interview on the draft with Comcast SportsNet, Roseman did not deny Bradford’s demands.

“I want to reiterate our support for Sam Bradford and go back to our statements last week – that Sam is our starting quarterback,” Roseman said. “His agent and Sam know how we feel about him. These workouts are voluntary. We look forward to seeing Sam again in the near future.”

Although Roseman didn’t say it directly, the Eagles aren’t considering trading Bradford, an NFL source close to the situation said. They haven’t granted Condon permission to shop the 29-year-old quarterback.

But Condon, who engineered Saints quarterback Drew Brees’ holdout four years ago, has certainly called around the NFL looking for teams that might have been interested had Bradford reached free agency last month. The Broncos, 49ers, New York Jets, and Browns have an obvious need at quarterback.

The Eagles are not shopping Bradford.

The Eagles are not letting agent Tom Condon work on a trade partner.

Either the Eagles truly want to keep Bradford or they are showing the world their best poker face. If they act like they still want him, teams might pay a slightly higher price. Obviously no team is going to break the bank on a deal. Bradford isn’t that good and the Eagles are backed into a corner, which limits their ability to negotiate.

Stay tuned to see what happens.



The Eagles added DT Mike Martin. Zach Berman has a quick bit on the move.

Martin, 25, was a third-round pick by Tennessee Titans in 2012 out of Michigan. He played the past four seasons with the Titans, starting five games and appearing in 68. He has career totals of 42 tackles and four sacks.

At 6-foot-1 and 298 pounds, Martin will compete for a depth spot at defensive tackle. The Eagles already lost Cedric Thornton in free agency this offseason, and Martin is the only newcomer at the position. Fletcher Cox and Bennie Logan are expected to be starters, and Beau Allen and Taylor Hart both return from last season. The Eagles also have Travis Raciti, who was on the practice squad in 2015.

Martin was a NT in college. He was a tough guy who did the dirty work well, but wasn’t much of a playmaker. He is meant to be a 1-gap NT. The Eagles need depth at that spot behind Bennie Logan.

Good signing for depth and competition.

Beau Allen was the backup NT last year. I think he will be traded some time this weekend. I don’t see him as a fit for Jim Schwartz’s scheme.


491 Comments on “SammyGate Update”

  1. 1 Greg Richards said at 10:02 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    This will make some of you mock drafters happy:

    Darren Wolfson
    Verified account


    Buzz on OL Joe Haeg (Brainerd HS): late 3rd/early 4th. Had 11 private workouts. Among teams showing interest: NYJ, Phi., AZ, Bucs, SD, GB.

  2. 2 Joe Minx said at 11:27 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    If we’re going to get Wentz we might as well bring his blindside buddy along for the ride.

  3. 3 BobSmith77 said at 2:45 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    So instead of the Soundgarden sound ‘Feeling Minnesota’ the Eagles’ draft theme music this year might be ‘Feeling North Dakota?’

  4. 4 laeagle said at 3:17 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    This dovetails nicely with their other option in Goff: “Looking California”

  5. 5 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 12:49 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    yes yes yes yes yes

  6. 6 D3FB said at 11:11 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm good

  7. 7 SammyGate Update - said at 10:09 PM on April 26th, 2016:

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  8. 8 Greg Tulino said at 10:20 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    Name one other QB that demanded a trade after recently signing a new contract to be the starting QB after hearing news that the team was going to draft a QB. Seriously, name one! He has now put this team in a bad position because he is afraid of competition and losing his job.

    What an absolute joke. The fans will eat him alive if he tries to come back now. What a cluster fu*K. I am praying we can get a third round pick for him. Seriously, what team would want someone like him on their team. Someone that runs away from the first time they are ever challenged in their career.

    He could have come out and said ” I am not happy that the team does not have confidence in me to be their franchise QB and I am going to do everything I can to make sure I keep my job and lead this team to great things”. Everyone on the Eagles and the fan base would have been 100% behind him and rooted for him to succeed when he played. This dude has really pissed off an entire fan base.

  9. 9 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:31 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    “after recently signing a new contract to be the starting QB after hearing news that the team was going to draft a QB. ”

    Can you actually name another scenario in which this happened?

  10. 10 Greg Tulino said at 11:38 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    Nope. That’s why I asked if anyone knew of a similar situation in the past where a QB demanded a trade after signing a contract and then that team drafted a QB high in the draft. I do not recall any QB that just signed a contract then demand to be traded after he learned the team would be drafting a QB. It hasn’t happened because starting QB’s understand there will always be competition to take their job and its up to them prove they deserve to stay the starter.

  11. 11 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:47 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    Do you know of any situation where a QB was signed to be the franchise guy and then a few months later the team plans on drafting a QB with a high draft pick?

  12. 12 Greg Tulino said at 11:58 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    No I don’t. Typically the incumbent is already in place and the team drafts a QB to groom into the eventual starter. The example many point to is Brett Favre as the starter when they drafted Aaron Rogers to succeed him. Did Brett demand a trade? Of course not. He played his best and held onto the starting job for as long as he could. This example has happened plenty of times and I can’t recall a situation where the incumbent has demanded a trade when he thought his job may be threatened by the new QB. The other often cited example is when Drew Brees was with SD when they drafted Phillip Peters very high. I don’t remember Drew demanding a trade. Instead he elevated his play when he was challenged by the rookie. Ultimately he then left in Free Agency when his contract was up.

  13. 13 P_P_K said at 6:51 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think the situation here is different because the Eagles didn’t commit to Sam as the franchise guy. They gave him two years, really just one, to prove his talent.

  14. 14 FairOaks said at 9:30 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Right but then the draft pick would seem to give him zero, in that there is no real way he can prove his talent for a long-term deal, whereas that was the apparent promise before.

    If a QB had fallen to #8, and the Eagles took him, it could still be a Kurt Warner / Matt Leinart situation, but that seems far-fetched when the Eagles give up massive compensation. It’s one thing to end up with an unexpected decision to make in the draft, but the Eagles signed the guy with one sort of promise then went out actively to get someone else. It seems weirdly ignorant of locker room dynamics. Especially given another high priced backup being around.

    It does have me questioning the decision-making, but that may be just be my dislike of trading a ransom of picks — that has most often not turned out well for the team giving up those picks. Hopefully it’s different this time.

  15. 15 stephenstempo said at 7:39 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “signed to be the franchise guy” ? For 2 years?

  16. 16 sonofdman said at 1:01 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Kurt Warner and Eli Manning in 2004?

  17. 17 DaO_Z said at 3:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Collins demanded a trade…..

  18. 18 sonofdman said at 8:19 AM on April 28th, 2016:

    Thanks. Great find! It looks like Warner was a June 1 cut by the Rams that year and didn’t sign with the Giants until after they already drafted Eli.

  19. 19 P_P_K said at 6:49 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    “He could have come out and said…”
    Agreed. There are so many better ways Sam and his agent could have handled this.

  20. 20 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:02 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think this was their only option, so I can’t blame them too much for what they are trying to accomplish,Tho it looks really bad for SAM that he cant handle us picking. QB at#2. Then again, McNabb cried about us drafting Kobb much later than we are taking Wentz so I prob shouldn’t be too surprised

  21. 21 P_P_K said at 9:00 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    If nothing else, the drafting of a new qb is a blow to his pride.

  22. 22 Crus57 said at 8:07 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Didn’t Jay Cutler basically sulk his way out of Denver at the prospect of having to compete for the starter job? Not sure about his contract status at that point, though.

  23. 23 Mr. Magee said at 10:26 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    Why is the League tweeting about who the Eagles want / might get in the draft..? Very strange

  24. 24 ProbablyDrunk said at 10:30 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    I really like Beau though ):

  25. 25 Ben said at 10:46 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    You gotta love Beau, ya know?

  26. 26 1StikDik said at 11:00 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    I think Buddy had this right: “trade him for a six pack, it doesn’t even have to be cold filtered Rocky Mountain high”… something like that.

  27. 27 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:29 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    The only reason why Bradford is requesting a trade now is because the Broncos have reached out to his camp and expressed interest in him being their franchise guy. He was pretty quiet 6 days ago when the trade was announced.

    This would be a great situation for both teams. Bradford gets to play for a Super Bowl team that doesn’t have a young potential star waiting behind him. Denver gets a quality starting QB and only have to pay him around $7 million.

    The problem is that Denver doesn’t want to give up what Philly is demanding which is why Bradford and Condon are trying to force the Eagles hand in trading him.

    Bradford and Condon aren’t idiots.

  28. 28 Greg Tulino said at 11:47 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    SO let’s just accommodate SB and trade him for next to nothing after he cashed the Eagles signing bonus check and signed a 2 year contract because he is afraid to compete and earn his starters position for the long term. Let’s also help out the Broncos and give him away for next to nothing to help them also.

    You said this is good for both teams? I don’t see how this helps the Eagles franchise to trade him for way less than market value for a starting QB. No thanks. I would prefer we hold onto him, let him sit out and get fined. He either plays for us or sits out.

    I applaud the Eagles for actually taking a stance and not just trying to unload him for nothing. You say Bradford and Condon are not idiots. I would agree with you, but their plan only works if the Eagles cave in. The Eagles caving in and trading him for little value is absolutely not a situation that works for both teams. If Denver sends us a 2nd or a 3rd & 4th then we can talk.

  29. 29 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:02 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Oops. I meant to say it was good for Condon, Bradford, and Denver.

    The Eagles should just stick to their plan and not trade him unless Denver is offering something worth while. Paying him $17 million for 2 years in return for a low 3rd round pick is not worth it.

    Bradford doesn’t have much leverage. Him sitting out a year could potentially ruin his career. But right now they have a small window of opportunity to get traded to Denver. I see the angle they’re playing. Either Denver caves, Philly caves, or Bradford is back to proving himself to the rest of the league. It honestly doesn’t hurt them to publicly request a trade. It’ll be forgotten in a few months and I don’t think most teams would hold it against them.

  30. 30 Greg Tulino said at 12:08 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I sincerely hope the Eagles do not cave to his demands. I also do not think this will blow over. Eagles fans will not support someone who openly does not want to be here. His only chance to survive in this town would be if he is playing at a high level. This tactic from him and his agent will make life miserable on him if he does play and plays poorly. That’s my opinion anyway.

  31. 31 BobSmith77 said at 2:43 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    They have already turned on Bradford and with them drafting Wentz now he has shot to redeem himself with a decent part of the fan base regardless if he plays pretty well here.

  32. 32 P_P_K said at 6:47 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    If Santa got pelted with a couple snowballs, just think how bad it will be for Sam.

  33. 33 Mac said at 10:03 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    There’s a lot of non-metal hard objects that can be put inside snow in this world.

  34. 34 P_P_K said at 10:31 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I though you were a heavy-metal guy.

  35. 35 Mac said at 11:10 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’m into heavy-metal, but I’m also a pragmatist.

  36. 36 P_P_K said at 1:36 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Snowball of Doom!

  37. 37 laeagle said at 3:16 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    and yet, the drastically overplayed their hand…

  38. 38 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:45 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Not really, This is the last card they had to play. Agent found out there ISNT much market for Sam this offseason, so he knows its unlikely a team would offer enough to get the Eagles to trade him, so they are simply trying to make enough noise to get us to dump him on draft night for whatever Roseman can get. Transparant, probably won’t be fooling Roseman or pressuring him into accept a trade for less than he wants… Dount the Bradford camp will still be acting like this if the draft passes and he is still an eagle..
    I don’t blame them, this is the only card they had left to play…. Nice try, doubt it works tho..

  39. 39 scratcherk said at 7:50 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’m glad Howie is handling it and not chip

  40. 40 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:52 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    RIGHT!!! After he handled mathis, thank god Chip ISNT the one making this decision

  41. 41 A Roy said at 6:42 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Except he isn’t a “quality starting QB”.

  42. 42 RobNE said at 8:44 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    why the asterisk, I can’t find the footnote.

  43. 43 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:40 PM on April 26th, 2016:

    The draft is kind of boring when there’s no 2nd round pick and you already know who your team is going to take in the 1st.

    This year I haven’t even bothered watching youtube videos or reading articles about draft prospects that weren’t projected to go in the top 10.

  44. 44 Baloophi said at 11:59 PM on April 26th, 2016:


    Back by unpopular demand is the annual “Ten Foot Pole” list! Here are my “do not touch” draft prospects in no particular order and – as usual – with no particular reason.

    With our first child due just six weeks hence I’ve been leafing through a baby-name book trying to find one, any one, that isn’t an androgynous colonial-age last name / occupation that when combined with a douchey haircut and undeserving self-confidence sadly paints a portrait of today’s millennial youth. Both “Taylor” and “Decker” are those types of names. Oh, AND he’s got a douchey haircut.

    Some folks have ascribed character concerns to Nkemdiche who got drunk, fell out of a 4th floor hotel room and later ratted on a teammate. I don’t have character concerns, I have “fell out of a 4th floor hotel room” concerns. If Robert signs a 4 year rookie contract and we assume 10 away games per year (counting pre-season… obviously not playoffs) and subtract 3 games a year for nearby “bus-worthy” destinations, that’s 28 total hotel stays. Even using a conservative estimate that Robert only falls once every 7 hotel stays, that’s still 4 hotel falls! That’s one a season! Given that NFL teams tend to be located in large, non-SEC cities and that the Eagles might have more money to spend on rooms with better views, there’s a decent chance that one of those falls could come from higher than the 4th floor… and that’s when things start to get dangerous. This is one prospect we hope has a low ceiling AND a low floor.

    You can show me his game tape, hand me his team photo and even introduce me to the man, but there’s no way you draft “Artie Burns from Miami” and a liver-spotted octogenarian wearing cover-up sunglasses and plaid slacks DOESN’T shuffle into NovaCare for rookie mini-camp, tousle a bewildered Howie Roseman’s hair and offer Doug Pederson a delicious hard candy.

    Too soon.

    This has nothing to do with taking another tight end from Stanford. My beef with Mr. Hooper is simply that: “Hooper” – the character Richard Dreyfuss portrayed in the movie “Jaws.” I don’t think I’d be able to watch games and not berate the young tight end with my terrible Quint impression. After every drop: “You got city hands, Mr. Hooper!” As he practices pass blocking: “Stop playing with yourself, Hooper!” When he goes the wrong way on a pass route: “Hooper, you idiot! Starboard!” It wouldn’t be long before I’m limping around the house inventing drinking dirges, murmuring to myself about life jackets, smashing radios, launching into unsolicited monologues about half-eaten shipmates, eyeballing the dimensions of furniture pieces… I will NOT put my family through that again.

    Kendall has three brothers who all play or played in the NFL: Vincent, Corey and Kyle. The law of averages state that it’s time for a dud. Nobody wants a Cooper Manning, an Alex Van Halen, or any of the other Baldwin brothers.

    At 6’6 and 405 pounds, LaQuan is roughly the size and shape of a fully-loaded vending machine, a British telephone box, or my first and last blind date. But it isn’t his girth or life insurance liability that scares me, it’s that he wants to play tight end. Sure, he could flummox defensive coordinators by simultaneously playing in-line and the slot but as I plan on telling my future child when she asks for help with her science fair assignment: “Sorry, I’m not interested in projects.”

    He might be an athletically gifted big man who showed promise and versatility at the Senior Bowl but sadly his name conjures up a patronizing, mid-90’s character conceived by your local school district to get you interested in learning. There’d be a big a book drive during the week culminating in a post-lunch assembly where your librarian would announce the guest of honor, D.J. Reader – your principal clad offensively in saggy jeans, gold chains and wearing a baseball hat backwards. He’d take the microphone and begin rapping with the following line: “Well I’m D.J. Reader and I’m here to say / I love Dewey Decimal in a major way.” Years later he’d be arrested for peddling child pornography.

    According to the Internet an “aguayo” is a colorful Andean textile used to carry children and other items on one’s back. Should Donald Trump become President and deport anyone he deems Mexican, Roberto might get “kicked” out and actually need an aguayo to carry his belongings.
    * Roberto is an American citizen, born in Florida… but that’s only relevant if you believe in birth certificates.
    ** This concern also applies to JIHAD WARD (DE – ILLINOIS)… but not CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG (QB – PENN STATE).

    Measurables: 5’6, 159 pounds, 4.64 second 40. That means we can honestly say that Dennis is neither big, NOR FLEET.

  45. 45 Joe Minx said at 12:21 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Agree on all but McGowan. I want that fat slab of beef.

  46. 46 Rambler said at 12:21 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    As always, you put too much time and effort into this, but it is highly entertaining and much appreciated. The Artie Burns one is phenomenal, really nice work there. For the British telephone box guy, is he somehow bigger on the inside?

  47. 47 geo1113 said at 12:23 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    When I saw Hooper, I thought you were going to go down a Burt Reynolds path.

  48. 48 Baloophi said at 12:32 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Aren’t we all going down a Burt Reynolds path?

  49. 49 BobSmith77 said at 2:40 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Hopefully not including his bad choices in various hair pieces over the years.

  50. 50 Bert's Bells said at 5:44 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    And going Lonnie Anderson over Bailey Porter.

  51. 51 DanJ3645 said at 1:49 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Brilliant as always

  52. 52 Bert's Bells said at 2:46 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’d trade up to #1 overall for EZ Reader.

  53. 53 Ankerstjernen said at 3:10 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    dude, this post might be the best thing on the internet this week..

  54. 54 Corry said at 7:17 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Pulitzer worthy.

    Also is Taylor Decker wearing a cardigan?

  55. 55 A_T_G said at 7:19 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    When one is named after a tailor, one must keep up appearances.

  56. 56 A_T_G said at 7:44 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Just think, one day eight years from now, as you are piloting your flying car from soccer practice to Brownies with a non-Colonial, non-occupational named girl in the backseat eating a PB&J and you eating a PB&we need to put jelly on the grocery list, you can think, “Holy hell, I used to create top-10 lists for Iggles Blitz in my spare time just for fun. Spare time, I remember that. I used to like that.”

    Hopefully, this will lead to the realization that shuttling around not-Sawyer, along with siblings not-Hunter, not-Cooper, and not-Scout is women’s work and you have a community that misses you, that needs you.

    We can then follow up your classic top-10 list with a classic Iggles Blitz pledge drive to contribute to your new bachelor pad rent. It will be great!

  57. 57 Baloophi said at 12:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    This feels all too real…

  58. 58 Alex Karklins said at 8:59 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Baloophi, thanks again for your hard work and research on this. I hope Howie has enough time to shuffle his draft board before tomorrow night. I can’t remember, have the Eagles ever selected someone from previous Ten Foot Pole Lists?

  59. 59 A_T_G said at 9:54 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    That is a great question.

  60. 60 Baloophi said at 12:37 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Ha! I did a quick sweep and sadly yes: Joe Kruger in 2013. It was a variation of this year’s Kendall Fuller warning:

    Just because your older brothers are NFL stars doesn’t mean you will be, too. Tell ‘em, Casey.

  61. 61 Alex Karklins said at 9:08 AM on April 28th, 2016:

    Ignore the 10 foot pole list at your own peril!

  62. 62 Chiptomylou said at 9:13 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I regret that I can only give one vote to this masterpiece.

  63. 63 b3nz0z said at 9:18 AM on April 27th, 2016:


  64. 64 RobNE said at 9:30 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    this is great especially the Monty Burns one. I would like to see this applied to other non-football topics. Like maybe a “10 things I would never do as a character on Game of Thrones” etc. (turn my back on someone here to kill me; brag about how I am going to kill someone while they are still alive, rather than just kill them and then talk smack; etc.) This is not just a football blog.

  65. 65 D3FB said at 11:09 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    <3 <3 <3

  66. 66 CHRIS said at 11:46 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    amazing work

  67. 67 Spooonius said at 6:37 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Bravo!! Damn that was hilarious

  68. 68 Fufina said at 2:55 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    So i have been trying to think of how i would like the draft to play out and hit on a scenario that i think would great for the Eagles and might cause WIP to burn to the ground with the #Hottakes!

    1) Wentz – Obviously
    3) Javon Hargrave – I want to come out of this draft with a DT, because that is the strength of this draft class and we need 1 gap penetrating DL for the future. Think he can be a very good player in 2-3 years and i love the idea of him and Cox lined up rushing on 3rd and long.
    3 (Bradford Trade) – Joe Haeg – I wont claim to be an OL expert when draft evaluating but he seems an athletic hard worker who needs time and an NFL weight room to be ready to play in the NFL. He can get that with the Eagles and it would be a fun story.

    And there we have it the all 1AA top the draft which should send idiot fans into a frenzy and leave Chip having a seizure.

    PS. Coming around on the following trade – Bradford for Denver’s 3rd in 2016 and a conditional pick depending on performance in 2017.

  69. 69 Anders said at 5:44 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Give me Rashard Higgins and James Cowser and we can form FCS all star team

  70. 70 D3FB said at 11:07 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    TYRONE HOLMES and Deandre Houston Carson

  71. 71 Anders said at 11:18 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I kinda want Howie to draft only FCS players and Im not even sure it would be a bad draft

  72. 72 Fufina said at 11:42 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Would be amazing and i think it would generally work out, since i think i read somewhere FBS players when drafted have a higher success rate at the NFL level compared to the average.

  73. 73 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:42 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Getting Hargraves at #79 is my best case scenario. Need a DT with #79, how realistic is him being available when we pick in the 3rd?

  74. 74 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:00 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    No trade with Denver that doesn’t include Bradley Roby… We traded a player on a rookie deal and a pick for SAM, I wouldn’t trade him for less than we paid…

  75. 75 RobNE said at 8:40 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    before I say that’s not enough, tell me what round the conditional would be and what are the conditions? If it’s just say 8 starts and a decent pick, ok. If it’s another 5th rounder for throwing for 5k yards, I don’t like the deal.

  76. 76 Fufina said at 10:34 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    think it is something between a 2nd and a 5th depending on performance. Win SB we get a 2nd, goes to playoffs having played 10+ games get a 3rd. Start 10+ games get a 4th, if he is Sam Badford and gets injured get a 5th.

  77. 77 GermanEagle said at 6:08 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    You can’t applaud Howie R. enough for all these FA signings this off season. Even the under the radar ones are not older than 25 and 26 years old and could still have their best years ahead of them. Low risk – high reward. Impressive.

  78. 78 RobNE said at 8:38 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    he also traded away Murray and Maxwell who were waaaay underperforming their contracts, and although didn’t get much in return both trades helped facilitate the trade up to #2. He has been impressive.

  79. 79 GermanEagle said at 9:06 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Now let’s hope he could put the icing on the cake by trading Sammy pussy away for a 2nd and 3rd rounder in return!

  80. 80 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:50 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    After how easily chip łet Mathis get away as soon as he was unhappy, letting him go for nothing. I’d like to see Roseman rule with an iron fist and put an end to athletes with contracts thinking they can leave whenever they want even tho it’s not WHATS best for the Eagles…Unless a team blows our socks off with an offer, I hope Roseman digs in, let’s the bradford camp kick and scream for the next 3’days, until the draft passes and camp bradford has no leverage left

  81. 81 Ankerstjernen said at 8:57 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    This I agree with 100 %. If the Sam Bradford of the 2015 preseason was worth a second rounder and a rookie QB prospect with genuine streaks of good gameplay, the 2016 Sam Bradford has to be worth at least the same; A second rounder and a young starting caliber type player. Last year he was 2 years removed from meaningless football and was still hobbling around. This year he is healthy after a season of football is still only 28 and has flashed the ability to play well once again (okay, some debate, but at the very least not worse than before 2015, which is my point). Sooo…. If he is NOT worth that THIS time around, the conclusion has to be that Chipper overpaid grossly a year ago. For what its worth, I think he is. If teams view him as a viable starter (they should, he is) a couple of picks from the first three rounds is not a lot to give up to fill that hole on the roster with something that at least gives you a chance to compeet. Its not exactly like there are other competent free agency QB’s out there that are waiting for jobs..

  82. 82 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:58 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’d feel better about our ability to trade Taylor Hart and Beua Allen if this wasn’t such a stacked DT draft…. Doubt we can get picks in return. Probably have to agree to some player for player deal to dump them.. Although if anyone can get proper trade value its Howie
    Lol @ VICK trying to get signed by the Eagles since SAM requested a trade

  83. 83 GermanEagle said at 8:20 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yo Tyler,
    your wish may come true.. According to Adam Schefter a 4th + a player could be accepted in an offer for Bradford.
    Ty Sambrailo + Cody Latimer + 4th from the Broncos?!

  84. 84 MattE said at 8:21 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Roby straight up HAHAHAHAHA

  85. 85 GermanEagle said at 8:25 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    who? Ah, Bradley Roby. Don’t know much about him tbh.

  86. 86 MattE said at 8:27 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    their young CB Bradley Roby

  87. 87 GermanEagle said at 8:31 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Just checked his stats. Doesn’t wow me at all. I hope the Eagles will get more in return for Sammy pussy.

  88. 88 MattE said at 8:32 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Roby got picked on a bit due to Talib being on the other side, still good young CB (better than Gilbert hahaha)

  89. 89 BreakinAnklez said at 9:18 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Isn’t Cliff Harris on the other side? Tony has mostly been Nickel. I can’t remember if Harris missed time this year or if that was prior year

  90. 90 GermanEagle said at 9:38 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Sammy pussy for Cliff Harris straight up and I will cream my pants!

  91. 91 D3FB said at 10:39 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    CJ Harris.

    Cliff Harris is the former Oregon Duck who was really good the year they lost to Auburn, then had a couple bad seasons got pulled over for driving like 110, ran a 4.7, and then couldn’t make the Eagles with Chip as head coach.

  92. 92 BreakinAnklez said at 10:52 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yea I remember him. It’s Chris Harris for Broncos. Cliff / Chris, close enough lol

  93. 93 MattE said at 12:54 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Chris Harris Jr…… yeah you would be correct

  94. 94 Ankerstjernen said at 8:45 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Roby played way better than his stats and flashed real ability last year. He was a highly regarded prospect in the draft and showed promise as a solid starter. If we can somehow get him in a deal along with another player and/or a later round pick I would consider it a very good transaction for the eagles. Kind of takes care of one of our questionsmarks for the future at a position of need.

  95. 95 GermanEagle said at 8:58 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    That’s why I said previously that I didn’t know much about him nor did I see him play a lot with my own eyes.

  96. 96 scratcherk said at 9:03 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Roby is legit.

  97. 97 D3FB said at 10:41 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t think it’s going to be Roby, they were rumored to be considering cutting Talib to fit Brock and Von, he’s probably still first one out the door.

  98. 98 MattE said at 12:53 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    hoping lol

  99. 99 D3FB said at 10:38 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yes please

  100. 100 MattE said at 8:20 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Gotta love Mike Vick lol

  101. 101 Rambo said at 8:22 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Reportin’ for duty!

  102. 102 GermanEagle said at 8:25 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    tbph I wouldn’t mind him to come back for another year.

  103. 103 MattE said at 8:28 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    ditto…..imagine if his life was together when he came into the league.

  104. 104 Bert's Bells said at 8:44 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    He’s been awful for years.

    Better to bring back Koy.

  105. 105 MattE said at 8:48 AM on April 27th, 2016:


  106. 106 GermanEagle said at 8:57 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Why not bring back both Koy AND Ty?!

  107. 107 P_P_K said at 8:57 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Jeff Garcia.

  108. 108 BreakinAnklez said at 9:17 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    AJ Feeley!!!!!

  109. 109 Lord of the Rings said at 12:19 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  110. 110 MattE said at 8:33 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    i’ll tell you what he did look bad-ass in our midnight green.

  111. 111 ChoTime said at 10:10 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    So much he’s a permanent fixture on the Igglesblitz banner.

  112. 112 Rambo said at 10:15 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Hell yeah he did. I want that swagger back at the qb position.

  113. 113 Lord of the Rings said at 12:18 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    if he swaggers too much he fumbles

  114. 114 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:22 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Darlington reports that Jets have no interest in Bradford, and that Bradford does not want to to play for Chip Kelly… Lol that Leaves Denver… Wish I could be a fly in the room to see Sams reaction when Denver acquires Kapernick and drafts a rookie QB

  115. 115 Iskar36 said at 8:29 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’m guessing that a whining QB that doesn’t want to play for your team isn’t a particularly attractive trade target, meaning the 49ers are not likely to give up draft picks for Bradford. However, seriously, how does Bradford not only demand a trade but also call the shots? What garbage.

  116. 116 MattE said at 8:24 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    i was hoping to get a 2nd rounder + Sanchez back from Denver HAHAHAHAHHA………screw it their 1st rounder

  117. 117 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:25 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Taking back Sanchez removes all the fun from trading SAM to Denver to steal Sanchez dream job

  118. 118 MattE said at 8:29 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I just feel bad for Sanchez because everywhere he goes he is eskimo brothers with Tebow……….in every locker Sanchez has used it says “Tebow knelt here 3:16”

  119. 119 Mitchell said at 8:58 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think my dream scenario would be their 1st and 4th or 2nd and 4th.

  120. 120 A_T_G said at 9:23 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    If we trade Bradford to Denver, do you think Sanchez throws a fit and demands to be traded to an Arena League team where he can “be the man?”

  121. 121 MattE said at 12:53 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  122. 122 MattE said at 12:54 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    the Soul are to good, they wouldnt want him lol

  123. 123 scratcherk said at 9:07 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    More I hear, more I believe Eagles aren’t bluffing about high price for Sam. Not perfect comps, but C. Palmer & A. Smith cost 2 good picks.— Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) April 27, 2016

    So happy to hear this. Stick it to Denver or tough shit for Sam.

  124. 124 ChoTime said at 10:13 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    It would be funny if someone actually bit and gave us 2 good picks for that loser, especially after this ham-handed move up. Howie would become the most popular GM the Eagles had ever had, through a combination of blundering luck and unreasonable greed.

  125. 125 anon said at 11:35 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    yeah elway’s not going to be that guy.

  126. 126 bdbd20 said at 2:05 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’ve doubted Howie in the past. I’ll say this. He gets what he wants most of the time.

    Not sure how he does it, but he’s good at making his moves.

  127. 127 Gary Barnes said at 2:34 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    We’ll see, the recent moves we have no idea if they’ll work out or not yet

  128. 128 RobNE said at 9:27 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    trading to Denver has the higher potential hurt to us if somehow (and for all kinds of reasons it’s unlikely) he helps them win a SB. Yes that would bother me.

    I need a premium payment to account for this. No F way do I dump him for a low pick.

  129. 129 the DONALD said at 9:31 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    win SB next year 1st next year.. win 2 playoff games.. 2nd rounder.. win no playoff games 3rd rounder.. and we take a player this year as well??

  130. 130 Bert's Bells said at 10:03 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t think we have to worry about Bradford being the guy to push anybody over the hump to the Super Bowl.

  131. 131 BreakinAnklez said at 10:18 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I would tend to agree, except he played better than both Manning and Brock and they got their SB…

  132. 132 Bert's Bells said at 10:59 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yup. He’s an upgrade for sure. For whatever that’s worth.

  133. 133 Jason said at 9:42 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I hope that Iron Howie is using this obvious tampering by Denver in the Bradford Affair to his further advantage. “John, why don’t you give us #31 for Sam and we’ll drop the stink we’re about to make in New York about you putting ideas in Condon’s head to get them to pressure us — while Bradford was under contract. You saw what happened to the last AFC West team that f’d with one of our players.”

  134. 134 Fufina said at 10:39 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Need hard evidence to get a punishment. Maclin stupidly said Andy was phoning him and lobbying for him to join the Chiefs during the tampering window (cannot talk to players just agents).

    So unless you can find some emails or some insider speaks out i cannot see how you can prove the obvious tampering.

  135. 135 RobNE said at 10:48 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think we’ve learned Gooddell can do what he wants.

  136. 136 Fufina said at 11:26 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    To players sure… but to to his bosses? Needs a little bit more evidence or a vast majority of owners to be pushing for it (Skins/Cowboys in uncapped year). Think only people who are worried about this are the Eagles and Bronco’s.

  137. 137 RobNE said at 11:30 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    tampering is different, but Pats lost a 1st and 4th and like $1M on this deflategate right? Maybe tampering is within a different section of the CBA. I don’t know. I doubt anything happens re: tampering.

  138. 138 Fufina said at 11:40 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Oh i am sure they would loose picks and a $$$ if they could prove it. Tampering with a QB who has just signed a new deal thats an absolute no no, but you need to have evidence to go down that route and i do not see how they get that unless their is a snitch.

  139. 139 RobNE said at 3:06 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    it’s not even helpful to us if there is a trade to be made. Oh we can have their 2nd in a trade? oh no the NFL just took it for tampering.

  140. 140 D3FB said at 11:54 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    It’s basically impossible to prove.

    “Oh hey we have phone records of you calling CAA”

    “Oh we were just calling about seeing if Brady Quinn wanted to come in for a workout”

    “That seems like bullcrap”


  141. 141 Jason said at 1:03 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    How about “Roger, no other team other than the Broncos discussed Bradford after his trade demands went public. When I reached out to the Jets and 49ers they both said no thanks. We both know Condon would not have gone public without interest from another team.”

  142. 142 anon said at 10:24 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    49ers GM Trent Baalke told ESPN’s Bob Holtzman that “it’s possible” Colin Kaepernick could be traded this week.

  143. 143 RobNE said at 10:25 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    of course it’s possible.

  144. 144 laeagle said at 11:48 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    It’s also not possible, which is also useful information.

  145. 145 eagleyankfan said at 11:48 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    surprise Albright didn’t break that news of someone to be traded, unless he’s not traded…

  146. 146 laeagle said at 11:54 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    There’s a strong chance he actually will break that news. As well as a good chance he won’t. You heard it hear first. #SCOOP

  147. 147 P_P_K said at 2:02 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    As well as not impossible.

  148. 148 anon said at 10:25 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports the 49ers “desperately covet” Oregon DE DeForest Buckner. — chip up to his old tricks?

  149. 149 anon said at 10:40 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Schefter joined 97.5’s Morning Show today, and added that a player and fourth-round pick could be the compensation the Eagles want for Bradford. Also Dennis Kelly extended.

  150. 150 Fufina said at 10:45 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yep Von Miller lol. But seriously i think that might make sense for both parties. All depends on the player. Roby would probably do it for me but not sure if many other players move my needle

  151. 151 anon said at 10:48 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    yeah probably has to be ol? maybe wr?

  152. 152 D3FB said at 10:53 AM on April 27th, 2016:

  153. 153 RobNE said at 10:47 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    then the player needs to be a starter for us, right? Why do this for a backup who won’t be on the team in a few years. I’m not willing to move from a 2nd to a 4th for someone who isn’t a pretty good player.

  154. 154 D3FB said at 10:53 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Players Denver has that could move the needle for the Eagles:

    Bradley Roby- I don’t think it’s going to be him. Talib is 30 and has a high salary, there was word Talib was likely to get cut if they had to squeeze Brock and Von Miller both under the salary cap.

    Shane Ray- Played in a wide 9 in college. Maybe Schwartz absolutely loves him.

    Ty Sambraillo- This is the guy I would really want. He would be my OT3 in this draft. Denver just signed Okung and have Donald Stephenson and Michael Schofield. Here’s my report on Sambraillo from last year

    Aqib Talib- Makes no sense for this team

    Shaq Barret- Would be a nice complimentary rusher but wouldn’t move the needle enough

    Cody Latimer- Like Barret, more of a sweetener than the focal point of any deal

  155. 155 RobNE said at 10:54 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    and what would Ty likely be for us, first off the bench OT this year and RT next year?

  156. 156 D3FB said at 10:55 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yes. He would play when Peters inevitably breaks this year, would be RT in 2017 and has LT feet and is a hedge against Lane not working out at LT.

  157. 157 RobNE said at 10:56 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    thanks. Ok I’ll take that. Do we get a pick too in this scenario?

  158. 158 D3FB said at 10:58 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    What I proposed yesterday was Sambraillo as the focal piece, a midround pick (probably like a late 3 or 4), and then a sweetener (I used Cody Lattimer could also be a 2017 or 2018 midround pick)

  159. 159 RobNE said at 10:59 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    that sounds good. Maybe too much from Denver. What do I know. Getting an OT that we think can start almost seems enough to me.

  160. 160 D3FB said at 11:05 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Maybe a touch but they are moving a bunch of spare parts for a starting QB.

  161. 161 Anders said at 11:21 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Would be crazy if we could get that, but I think Denver is getting desperate for a QB and Bradford will be cheap this year

  162. 162 D3FB said at 11:24 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    It’s alot but it makes Denver far better wihtout giving up anything they’ll terribly miss.

  163. 163 Tumtum said at 11:51 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    No faith in JP!

  164. 164 D3FB said at 11:55 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    “Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing, or a belief not based in proof”

  165. 165 Mac said at 11:58 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    So, you’re saying you do have faith in Peters.

  166. 166 Tumtum said at 1:24 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Exactly. No faith!

  167. 167 BreakinAnklez said at 12:13 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    So no concerns that Demver brought in two other Tackles? Does Ty even start in Denver?

    If not and they don’t want him, why would he be better with is?

  168. 168 Greg Richards said at 12:15 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I could see Talib being part of trade but going to a 3rd team. Miami has been rumored to have interest and he might also be a fit with CHI and SF.

  169. 169 Julescat said at 10:59 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    The Eagles should start negotiating with KC to send Bradford there. That will put more pressure on Elway to make a bad deal.

  170. 170 eagleyankfan said at 11:46 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    KC already has a starter…

  171. 171 Julescat said at 11:48 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    not a good one

  172. 172 eagleyankfan said at 11:50 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    they went 11-5. They are not trading for a QB with a worse track record…

  173. 173 Bob Brewer said at 12:21 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    And Bradford is a good one?

  174. 174 A_T_G said at 12:13 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Substitute the Ottawa Redblacks for KC and you might be on to something.

  175. 175 Mac said at 12:19 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    How many picks can the Redblacks give us in this draft?

    Are they an AFC West team?

  176. 176 BreakinAnklez said at 12:24 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    As a new expansion team, that should be #1 overall!!!! And we can get Goff and Wentz!!!

  177. 177 RobNE said at 11:06 AM on April 27th, 2016:

  178. 178 xmbk said at 11:17 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Anyone know why Wentz didn’t start until his junior year?

  179. 179 Dave said at 11:19 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    He sat behind a guy that led them to 3 straight FCS championships. Had to wait for him to graduate.

  180. 180 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:45 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I heard they actually wanted to play him sooner but can’t justify benching a QB coming off to straight championships… Could be BS just trying to prop Wentz up tho

  181. 181 D3FB said at 11:19 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Brock Jensen was the established QB and won 3 national titles.

  182. 182 Fufina said at 11:21 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yeah his coach was speaking about this and said that he could not bench a QB who was a senior and had won 2 straight championships regardless of how good Wentz was felt he could not do that to Jensen.

  183. 183 MattE said at 1:05 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    i can respect that.

  184. 184 MattE said at 1:05 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    why is this coach not getting D1 looks?

  185. 185 Rambo said at 11:24 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    So do you know why Brock isn’t in the NFL or if he got a shot? I see he’s playing for the Ottawa Redblacks of the Canadian Football League.

  186. 186 D3FB said at 11:25 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    He was a camp body for the Dolphins in 2014. He was a really good FCS QB, just a really marginal NFL QB.

  187. 187 Rambo said at 11:28 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Thank u sir.

  188. 188 Fufina said at 11:27 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    He does not have an NFL arm from people that i have read.

  189. 189 D3FB said at 11:30 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I mean Lindy’s thinks we’re drafting him 2nd overall though so who knows…,320_.jpg

  190. 190 BreakinAnklez said at 12:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Tim Tebow won 2 National Championships + a Heisman. Being a good college QB doesn’t mean success in the NFL

  191. 191 BreakinAnklez said at 12:16 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Maybe Armanti Edwards is a better comp. Won 3 straight NC’s with App State when they were still FCS. Never even got shot to play QB in NFL. I think forced to switch to wideout, and didn’t last long.

  192. 192 xmbk said at 2:41 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Not sure that Jensen won them the titles. I know they have a “system”, but I’d feel better if Wentz had been able to beat him out by his own third year on the team.

  193. 193 bill said at 3:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t get the feeling anyone’s making that argument, though. The idea is that the coach isn’t going to bench his senior leader who was part of championship teams for 3 seasons, regardless of who is actually the better QB at the moment.

    I’m not happy about Wentz’s lack of starts either, but the fact that his coach showed loyalty to Jensen under those circumstances is not an issue for me.

  194. 194 xmbk said at 6:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’d still prefer that Wentz was too good to keep off the field.

  195. 195 D3FB said at 3:21 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yes largely it was the system, but Jensen was a really good QB at the level, and they lost a whopping total of 2 games, and beat Minnesota, Colorado State, and K-State during Jensens time there. You’re not benching that guy, not because a redshirt sophomore may be an NFL prospect in 3 years. You would have an open coup.

  196. 196 xmbk said at 6:18 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    No, but ideally Wentz was so clearly better they couldn’t keep him off the field. Trust me, I understand the dynamic of respecting your senior leaders. But the ideal QB prospect forces himself into the lineup, unless he was behind someone else who’s in the league. Hey, I like the guy, hope he develops into a great QB.

  197. 197 anon said at 11:33 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Wentz’s 4.0 was in gym?

  198. 198 D3FB said at 11:35 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    “Majoring in health education and physical education with a minor in psychology”

    Pretty much.

  199. 199 anon said at 11:41 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I know you like Goff, but do you think jumping for Wentz is a mistake? I’m not huge on college eval, but people touting his brains 4.0 at NDSU in gym and wonderlic and winning to titles when the guy before him won 3 and was barely drafted, seems like a huge risk – at least a lot of projection for what it cost to move up and take him.

  200. 200 D3FB said at 11:50 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t love Wentz. I think he’s a solid prospect with alot of tools but he makes me really nervous. If we got him at 8 or 13 I would have been much more comfortable. Goff is a far better prospect to me.

    With that being said, I don’t mind them trying to get a guy they view as a potential franchise QB. I’m tired of the carousel of cross your fingers, squint your eyes, and hope that a retread or mid round QB is the future of the franchise. If he’s a franchise QB no price paid is too high. So I don’t mind the move at all.

    I also am optimistic by the infrastructure in place to help him develop. Plenty of QBs with franchise QB potential have been broken early in their career due to bad staffs and poor developmental planning.

    So in conclusion, don’t love Wentz but totally understand and support the move.

  201. 201 eagleyankfan said at 11:53 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’m hoping it’s a A. Rogers path. (I am not saying Wentz = Rogers) Rogers was underrated because of several factors that were yet to be developed in his career. Maybe Wentz, giving time, will develop in those areas of concerns. I have no idea on talent evaluation – just going by what people are saying on nfl network that right now Goff is ahead of Wentz – but long term, Wentz has more upside. True or not, that gives hope…

  202. 202 ACViking said at 12:15 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “I’m hoping it’s A. Ro[d]gers path.

    Not sure I see the comp.

    Rodgers slid to Green Bay at No. 24 in Rd 1 — with no extra assets spent to acquire him.

    He also spent 3 full years on the bench — whereas the projection with Wentz is likely 1 maybe 2.

    Other than that, I guess they’re comparable.

  203. 203 BreakinAnklez said at 12:23 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’m guessing the comp being QB A sat on bench behind starter for x years and became an All-World QB. Hopefully our QB B, will sit on bench for x years and also become an All-World QB

  204. 204 eagleyankfan said at 1:41 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    the comparison is all through college and even in the draft Rogers was overlook as an “elite” player(his nfl path is actually very interesting). Rogers was a late bloomer. Hoping Wentz is being overlooked and a late bloomer. It was only a month ago nobody wanted Wentz in the top 10, never mind at 2. Even at 2, you can’t find anyone predicting Wentz to be elite.

  205. 205 P_P_K said at 2:01 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I hope and hope there will someday be talk of Wentz and Rodgers being comparable.

  206. 206 anon said at 12:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Is wentz the only non-goff QB that you’d support moving up for this year?

  207. 207 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:10 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I would totally support the move if Roseman and the Eagles brain trust really thought that Wentz has a good chance of being an elite player. Some people are comparing him to Andrew Luck but I see a 24 year old playing against weak competition. I’m not much of a talent evaluator but nothing from his videos really sticks out. If the Eagles made the move for the sake of getting a QB, I would be extremely disappointed.

    In my eyes Bradford was a quality starter. He made good decisions, was accurate, and did well despite having a weak Oline, no run game, receivers who dropped passes and couldn’t get open. He’s only 28, and was under a 2 year deal to show that he could stay healthy long term. I wanted the team to go out and build a great defense, acquire play-makers on offense, and rebuild that line.

    Now the team has given up 3 potential starters- 8th pick, next year’s 1st, and 2018’s 2nd. It sucked not having a 2nd this year but it at least you could say we got a quality starting QB out of it. Now our QB is a lame duck making that 2nd rounder a loss.

    The Eagles have basically given up two 2nds, two 1sts, a 3rd and a 4th in order to acquire a QB.

  208. 208 anon said at 12:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Agree 1000%. Bradford ran that crappy offense pretty well. The former rushing leader ended up with like 600yds running a bad offense but bradford gets no chip kelly discount.

  209. 209 D3FB said at 3:34 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    But if I think Demarco was primarily bad due to bad vision and heavy legs more than the offense do I still have to discount it?

  210. 210 RC5000 said at 12:44 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yeah I would agree you aren’t a talent evaluator.

  211. 211 Sean Stott said at 1:39 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Eagles O-line wasn’t as bad as you think it was. Also, it’s bogus to cherry pick a streak of games where Bradford looked OK.

  212. 212 D3FB said at 3:13 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “If the Eagles made the move for the sake of getting a QB”

    These guys have staked their professional futures on this. It wasn’t oh well we need a shiny new QB.

    Sam is not a top 20 QB. He’s Cassel, Fitzpatrick or Schaub. The just put 21 all pros around him and then he’ll be good argument is awful.

    The 2nd round pick is a sunk cost. It’s gone and thinking that you have to keep rolling with Sam because of the 2nd is poor logic.

    You realisitically gave up 1 starter. 1st round picks have about a 60% success rate. So of those three picks 2 are likely to become good starters. And you still got pick 2 back so it’s a net of one starter. Not the end of the world.

    They likely gave up one starter and a couple contributors for what they view as the long term answer at QB. I’ll take that any day of the week.

  213. 213 bill said at 3:21 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “These guys have staked their professional futures on this. It wasn’t oh well we need a shiny new QB.”
    Except that guys have done that in the past. And at one point in the recent past, I would have scoffed that this FO would be foolish like this. But my trust in Lurie in particular and this FO in general has pretty much evaporated at this point. You may be right. But I think there’s too much blood in the water to call it ridiculous to think that this FO was desperate for a shiny new QB. It certainly seems like a large portion of the fanbase is.

  214. 214 D3FB said at 3:24 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think there are some small reasons to worry that Lurie is becoming impatient. But to believe that they did this just because they want a shiny new toy caution be damned feels ridiculous.

  215. 215 anon said at 4:43 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Math on the picks is a little funny. Would counter with Colin Kap in SF during the Harbaugh years and Alex Smith in KC, I’d even look at Blake Bortles and the weapons he has in Jax. OK QBs can put up numbers w/ good players. Fitz w/ the Jets another example, scheme familiar plus Brandon Marshall = career year. Look at Foles w/ Maclin / Djax and Foles with Sam’s old team.

  216. 216 A_T_G said at 12:11 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Also, I don’t know if you can outright accuse him of cheating, but he certainly had an unfair advantage in the GPA and Wonderlic areas by the fact that his limited experience means far less brain damage than the rest of the prospects.

  217. 217 Lord of the Rings said at 12:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  218. 218 Mac said at 12:18 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  219. 219 ChoTime said at 12:28 PM on April 27th, 2016:

  220. 220 Insomniac said at 1:42 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    in the same camp.

  221. 221 Mac said at 11:43 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    More proof that he is intelligent, not wasting his time with stressful classes.

  222. 222 ChoTime said at 11:57 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    It also shows an admirable focus–the intricacies of teaching dodgeball are far more relevant to an NFL career than, God Forbid! a BA in, say, Fashion Design.

  223. 223 anon said at 12:02 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    think he got extra credit for being a qb?

  224. 224 ChoTime said at 12:04 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think QBs get extra a lot.

  225. 225 Mac said at 12:16 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Just like lead singers and guitar players (speaking as a bassist).

  226. 226 ChoTime said at 12:28 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    But we couldn’t do it without you.

  227. 227 Mac said at 12:41 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Thanks, the support/utility role isn’t for everyone… but I dig it.

  228. 228 MattE said at 12:57 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I attempt to be one of those guys that hangs out with musicians…. a drummer lol

  229. 229 Mac said at 1:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    You have my respect. I’ve tried playing drums, and don’t because I can’t get all four appendages to cooperate with each-other in a musically appealing way.

  230. 230 ChoTime said at 1:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  231. 231 Mac said at 1:22 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Good idea. Would certainly strech me in a new direction. Not sure if I’m cool enough to be a conga player though 😉

  232. 232 peteike said at 2:36 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    me too as a guitar player. Gotta say though, those jokes were always about the drummers. Funny though the drummer in our band years ago was the best musician and still playing where as we are not.

  233. 233 ChoTime said at 2:44 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I know a drummer in town, who has his own gig, who tells the audience at every show that he’s the only drummer he knows who has perfect pitch.

  234. 234 MattE said at 3:01 PM on April 28th, 2016:

    i have trouble with 4 fingers doing what i want lol

  235. 235 D3FB said at 11:57 AM on April 27th, 2016:

    Counterpoint: He’s Alex Moran

  236. 236 Bert's Bells said at 12:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    North Dakota State has rigorous academic criteria across their curriculum.

  237. 237 Sean Stott said at 1:20 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Doesn’t change the fact that he pretty much aced the Wonderlic. Based on how well he did on Wonderlic, you can be confident he has an IQ of 140+. That would be considered gifted/genius intelligence (close to 3 standard deviations from the mean)

  238. 238 anon said at 12:10 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports the Browns at No. 8 overall “have been having discussions with teams behind them” who want to trade up for Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott. – be interesting to see how many picks they end up with. they did let a lot of people go this year.

  239. 239 RC5000 said at 12:19 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t know if it’s idle speculation but Cbssports Will Brinson says : The Cowboys and Jaguars could be engaged in a battle to move up a spot or two in order to nab the top defensive back in the draft. in a mock draft.
    Cowboys are getting a really good player no matter what but I’d still like Jaguars to jump up to 3 for Ramsey.

  240. 240 Mac said at 12:21 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  241. 241 Fufina said at 12:27 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I can see that as the Cowboys, they have no need for Tunsil and he and Ramsey are the top tier of prospects in this draft (injury issues with Jack pushes him down a little).

    I think They can get a great RB in the 2nd round and i think there is a significant difference between Ramsey and Bosa in terms of ceiling and ability.

  242. 242 Rambo said at 2:13 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I hope they take Bosa.

  243. 243 RC5000 said at 12:33 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Of course he could be copying PFF which is not based on any inside info. But GMs are copying PFF too.

    Per PFF:
    This mock draft is based on what I would do as the general manager of each team, and apparently I’ve been a busy GM in recent weeks with trades re-shaping the top of the draft.:

    3. TRADE: Jacksonville Jaguars (from San Diego Chargers) – Jalen Ramsey, CB, Florida State

    In a trade that makes sense for both teams, the Jaguars secure their best fit in Ramsey and give up a third-round pick to leapfrog the Dallas Cowboys and ensure they get their guy. For San Diego, they are deciding between Ramsey and DeForest Buckner, though Buckner is likely their best fit and they feel safe moving down two spots knowing that Buckner is unlikely to be picked by the Cowboys. Ramsey’s floor is that of a versatile defensive chess piece that can play over slot (using his nation-leading run stop grade to play the run like a linebacker), cover tight ends, or even dabble at free safety. As for his ceiling, with only one full year as a true cornerback, there is still room to develop given his length and athleticism and he could still become one of the league’s best cornerbacks.

  244. 244 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:29 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Why would the Cowboys have to trade up to get Ramsey? If the chargers dont want Ramsey he will fall to dallas. If the Chargers do want Ramsey, probably not gonna let dallas trade for him.
    jags need to jump the Cowboys and swap with Chargers if San Diego ISNT going to take Ramsey, of course..

  245. 245 RC5000 said at 3:39 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    To prevent Jags or another team trading up for him.

  246. 246 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:58 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Could be… Not sure how common or rare that is(drawing a blank trying to come up with an example).. Common to see a team do what the Jags would hypothetically be doing, trading ahead of a team they think will take the guy that they want.. Not sure how often a team has actually traded up just to counter the chance that another team will trade ahead of them.
    They would have to have Ramsey Rated head and shoulders over the DE’s which is a more valuable position and a much bigger need for them than a DB.. Unfortunately for Dallas, in that scenario they aren’t a threat to steal the player the Chargers would target in a trade down. If they were gonna take Tunsil or Ramsey, they can get him at 4 or 5, so Dallas would have to beat the Jaguars offer, and Ramsey has to be like 5 grade points better than players at their other needs to go thru all that… But I guess it’s plausible.
    Personally, I wouldn’t even look at DBs until I got my DL straightened out. Ramsey, like most DBs, won’t stand a chance until they get some edge rushers.

  247. 247 RC5000 said at 4:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Before NFL commissioner Roger Goodell opened the draft, Minnesota swapped its No. 3 choice for Cleveland’s No. 4 pick, with the Vikings also getting fourth, fifth and seventh rounders.

  248. 248 scratcherk said at 3:41 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Would be hilarious if jags traded up to 3, then DAL called us about trading to #2 for Ramsey. Recoup some lost picks, and still get wentz at 4

  249. 249 RC5000 said at 3:43 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Eagles would be scared Dallas would take Wentz.

  250. 250 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:17 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    That would be glorious

  251. 251 Fufina said at 12:29 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Philadelphia has emerged as leading candidate to host 2017 NFL Draft, per sources. NFL considering Philly, LA – neither has a 1 next year.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 27, 2016

    LA in 2017 and Philly in 2018 would work for me but i would love to have the draft in the Philadelphia

  252. 252 Steve Smegal said at 12:31 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Would they hold it at Wells Fargo? Wouldn’t that conflict with Sixers home playoff games?

  253. 253 Dave said at 12:32 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Trust the Process

  254. 254 Julescat said at 12:52 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  255. 255 MattE said at 1:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    convention center?

  256. 256 Dave said at 12:32 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’m down with it as long as they don’t give shoulderpad Shaun draft night exposure.

  257. 257 Mac said at 12:44 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Of course, it’s the year the Eagles don’t pick in round one… so, it’s the only year that you can safely hold a draft in Philly without a near guaranteed riot.

  258. 258 MattE said at 1:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    could you imagine the boo’s the cowboys/giants/redskins would get during their picks lol

  259. 259 Lord of the Rings said at 1:35 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    no one should even be able to hear those picks.
    poor kids getting drafted will be bummed, as they should be

  260. 260 anon said at 2:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Cut the phone cords of all other NFCE teams – no picks getting in.

  261. 261 A_T_G said at 2:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    We really should devise a plan to start booing, but then break out into laughter and cheering at their pick.

  262. 262 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:44 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Dumbest thing I heard all week. They going to finally give us a draft the one year we won’t have a 1st round pick? Sure hope not… Push the philly draft Til 2018

  263. 263 Mac said at 3:05 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    If this happens, they should not only invite Mr. Lawlor to come annouce the 7th round pick in 2017… they should let him make the 7th round pick.

  264. 264 D3FB said at 3:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    A speedball white DT from App State or the draft rights to Megan Fox? Decisions Decisions.

  265. 265 Mac said at 3:17 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    White lightning can have more than one meaning.

  266. 266 ChoTime said at 1:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Wow, the FoxSports article about how the Eagles are the most dysfunctional team in the NFL has 636 comments!

  267. 267 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 1:54 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    We have been pretty dysfunctional for some years. From T.O. till now. It’s not a pretty picture

  268. 268 Tumtum said at 1:58 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Because we haven’t consistently gone to the NFC title game? I don’t see it. Oh well. Certainly saw it last year.

  269. 269 anon said at 2:06 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Def last year, this year so far, 2012 was pretty bad. But worse than the skins, bears, browns, bucs, cowboys, etc.? Nah, but I will say mentioning the eagles will get you clicks.

  270. 270 Tumtum said at 2:20 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    This year has been dysfunctional? Seems like there is a pretty set plan in place and the whole organization is on board with it.

    If you count a pouty player toward dysfunction, I guess so. When I think of organizational dysfuntion, I typically don’t consider individual players. If the whole team is in revolt mode or something, yeah. One cry baby? Meh.

  271. 271 ChoTime said at 2:45 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Wut? Signing Bradford and then moving up for a project continues the desperate and weird moves that have cursed the team ever since the Dream.

  272. 272 Tumtum said at 11:00 AM on April 28th, 2016:

    I guess I am mincing words again, but we are talking about dysfunction. Sure you can disagree with the move. Sure the team is desperate for a QB (what team that doesn’t have a Franchise guy isn’t?).

    I don’t think any of us thought the Dream Team season was “weird” when they were making the moves. Sure many of us said maybe they added to much, but we all thought they were solid moves at the time. The blue print Denver used to get to win the big one wasn’t all that different was it? Just because something doesn’t work doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right idea at the time. Executing and other circumstances play a big role.

    You can have your opinions of what the team is doing. I personally am a QB by any means necessary kind of guy. While I am uncomfortable with what has been given up, I am totally behind it if you think this gives you the best shot at getting The Guy.

    Seems to me the team is functioning like a well oiled machine. Maybe they are headed directly at a 1000ft cliff, but it certainly seems like a calculated route.

  273. 273 Tumtum said at 1:59 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    So many contradictions in that article. Like dude, make a coherent thought.

  274. 274 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:42 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    The dude is on the radio now trying to defend his silly argument

  275. 275 JohnDough610 said at 1:50 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I was wondering if Bradford did this to ice the chance of a trade. He wants to stay in Phila for a year as an audition and knows by going public he has no leverage.

  276. 276 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 1:52 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    If he wanted to stay he would still be in the off season program learning the new offense, not demanding to be traded

  277. 277 Tumtum said at 1:59 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Wishful thinking.

  278. 278 Julescat said at 2:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    by publicly becoming a whiny malcontent?

    that only hurts his value

  279. 279 JohnDough610 said at 2:11 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  280. 280 A_T_G said at 2:42 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Is this theory somehow related to players suffering brain trauma?

  281. 281 JohnDough610 said at 2:51 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    No, it’s pretty half-baked as a theory, admittedly. And I did a poor job of explaining it. If Bradford wants to stay here for a year and not be traded (especially to the 49ers) and thinks he’ll have a better year with Philadelphia and can leverage that into a big contract next year. So he comes out and publicly says he wants a trade knowing that spikes his value and lets him stay in Philly for one more year.

  282. 282 RobNE said at 3:02 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    reminds me of Princess Bride

  283. 283 GermanEagle said at 2:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’m really glad that the Cowboys will continue to not drafting a QB again. May Tony Romo’s back live forever!!

  284. 284 Tumtum said at 2:21 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I just really really really hope they don’t find their next long-term solution before we do.

  285. 285 peteike said at 2:33 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    ya thats the key and it goes for the Skins and Gmen also

  286. 286 xmbk said at 2:37 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    There’s no reason Morris can’t do well there. He’s certainly an upgrade on McFadden, and could be ideal behind that line.

  287. 287 RC5000 said at 2:38 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    What does that have to with the post strawman?

  288. 288 xmbk said at 2:42 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I saw RB, not QB. Been on my brain that they won’t be taking Elliott. So take it easy, cowardly lion. 😉

  289. 289 RC5000 said at 2:56 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Take what easy lol? Now you’re getting defensive and you’re telling me to do something because you fucked up lol. Just say my bad. Don’t get on me.

  290. 290 GermanEagle said at 2:43 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  291. 291 GermanEagle said at 2:43 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  292. 292 Insomniac said at 2:52 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    You’re going to jinx it.

  293. 293 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:21 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think Dallas plan is to pounce on FOles as soon as the Rams inevitably cut him

  294. 294 anon said at 4:33 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    hahaha please do.

  295. 295 anon said at 2:41 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “Ole Miss LT Laremy Tunsil is being sued by his stepfather for an alleged assault that happened last June. Lindsey Miller, Tunsil’s stepdad, claims Tunsil attacked him and defamed his character, causing “intentional inflection of emotional distress.” – Roto

    Good lord. The fact that any of these kids make it out with a decent head on their shoulders is amazing.

  296. 296 GermanEagle said at 2:45 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I would take such news shortly before the Draft with more than a grain of salt.

  297. 297 Mac said at 3:02 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    There was a point in time where salt and gold held the same value. But being as you’re a German and not a Phoenician… I assume you’re referring to the modern day value of salt.

  298. 298 ChoTime said at 3:21 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yeah, that’s pretty much been debunked. The Roman “salary” could never have been worth as much as gold, especially given Rome had been blessed with a great deal of salt deposits in its area. There was rarely a time, anywhere, that average peasants did not have access to salts.

  299. 299 Mac said at 3:30 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    That’s the problem with history. It keeps changing.

  300. 300 ChoTime said at 3:39 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I know, huh? Imagine how McNabb will be thought of in 20 years.

  301. 301 anon said at 4:32 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Oh i’m sure it’s step dad trying to get $, but i couldn’t imagine my dad doing that to me, or to have that type of relationship with a “parent”.

  302. 302 GermanEagle said at 5:13 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Are you a soon-to-be multi millionaire?! No offense and if you are lucky you. 😉

  303. 303 anon said at 5:20 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    if i was i probably wouldn’t be spending my time w/ you guys.

  304. 304 GermanEagle said at 7:39 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    That’s a bit harsh, don’t you think?

  305. 305 BlindChow said at 5:23 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Seems like hurting Tunsil’s draft stock would also hurt his maximum earnings. Step-dad should’ve waited until after the draft to sue…

  306. 306 ChoTime said at 2:47 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “inflection”? WTH?

    Well, a lot of you guys are always pining for someone with a nasty streak. Someone who can cause distress simply by the way they say a word could be quite an asset.

  307. 307 A_T_G said at 3:05 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “56 is the Mike, 56 is the Mike…and 93 pretends to empathize with his teammates but secretly judges them in his mind.”

  308. 308 Mac said at 3:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Tunsil… you get out there and inflect as much damage as possible!

  309. 309 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:15 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “timing” can be used as such a weapon….

    I guess his stepfather is trying to make sure he doesn’t see a dime of Tunsils new bank account

  310. 310 peteike said at 3:58 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    who knows, maybe step dad was getting out of sorts with mom and big man had to lay down the law. He can afford a better lawyer now

  311. 311 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:59 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Looks like a money grab, which is kind of dumb because the timing could potentially screw with his earning power. Might want to make sure the kid gets his money before you start trying to take it from the kid….. Step father sounds like a great guy lol

  312. 312 peteike said at 2:43 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    When Rivers came in, Brees stepped up and went to the pro bowl. Quite a different approach

  313. 313 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    There were so many fans that wanted to trade Bradford before all this drama came up. I didn’t think it was possible to screw an agent like Condon by signing his client just to turn around and trade him… But for the fans that wanted SAM traded, this is the best thing that could happen because it now it does Open up the option to trade him.. I wasn’t one of those fans and still prefer keeping Sam, but i can understand trading him if we get real value in return, like Roby, a young stud on a rookie contract, a CB which is a position Roseman and the Eagles haven’t evaluated well in recent history… But I do still value having SAM so I would be pretty annoyed if they dump him for average at best compensation. If he wants to give back that 7mil, Id be willing to trade him for less. But after what we paid for him, the compensation needs to make sense, which means including a quality young player and a draft pick.
    There is real value in keeping SAM as a QB, so they better not trade him unless we get something that can really help us improve. Agent is trying to get us to just dump him for whatever we can get, FUCK THAT…. But if the right trade comes along, like Bradley Roby and a conditional pick Next year that depends on how well he does for Denver, that could interest me… The problem is I really like the idea of Redshirting Wentz, and trading SAM means Tiny Chase Daniel is 1 hit away from having to bring in the rookie… I guess if we trade SAM we could just pick

  314. 314 RC5000 said at 3:17 PM on April 27th, 2016:

  315. 315 RobNE said at 4:13 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    what’s even the point if no compensation was discussed. Would you ever trade him, ever? the answer is of course. No one is untradeable for the right price.

    ok thanks we’ll get back to you.

    My guess is some compensation discussion happened.

  316. 316 RC5000 said at 4:23 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    It’s entirely believable Howie is trying to drive the price up by showing he is not interested in trading him since there are limited trade options.

  317. 317 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:35 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Kepernick, Glennon can be had via trade, If Roseman really does actually want to trade Sam, he better not play chicken for too long, because if Denver pulls the trigger on a Kap trade and the Jets acquire Glennon, there is no where left to ship him since he not only is demanding a trade, but he is allegedly against playing for Chip again

  318. 318 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:26 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    All this talk of Broncos trading for QBs like Bradford or Kapernick, their best bet may be to trade for Glennon, Talented kid on an expiring cheap rookie deal. Denver can have him compete with Sanchez, evaluate Glennon all year and then decide whether they want to extend him, with the option of franchising him if need be (doubtful)… Glennon is a talented young kid, no bad injuries, and he doesn’t have the clout to cry about having to compete like Bradford and Kap can, or at least think they can

  319. 319 nicolajNN said at 3:30 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    On some level the Eagles should be glad that Bradford is a massive entitled crybaby. After the trade and before Bradford had gone into full sob-mode, the fans were kind of lukewarm about the trade or at least split, some liked it or saw the logic in it while others hated it.

    Now it seems like everyone is united against a common enemy, or crybaby as it were, and are less focused on the trade itself

  320. 320 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:38 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’ll get pissed if he is still bitching next week. For now, I just think he is trying to take advantage of the last card he has to play and the timing of Draft week. They know how little market their was for him this offseason, which means they know it’s unlikely a team will offer the Eagles enough to make us want to trade him, so they are making noise this week, kicking and screaming trying to force Roseman into taking some lowball offer for SAM during the draft… good luck with that one Sam.
    Unless a team makes a compelling offer, I expect SAM to change his tune and show up to Novacare by next Tuesday….. Now if the draft passes, he is still and eagle and he continues to cry, im going to be pissed! For now, I can understand them trying To take advantage of the timing of draft week, because it’s really the last card they will have to play…. Teams are going to trade for QBs like Kap and Glennon during the draft, if SAM ISNT traded all his options will dry up by Sunday morning, and he will have no choice but to play the good soldier in philly… I can’t imagine he will still make noise and not come to practice after the draft.. Doubt he will go all T.O on us..

  321. 321 peteike said at 4:01 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    exactly, I think a lot of the adjectives thrown around about him by talking heads are a bit much at times. Its just his last move and like others said, maybe he knows the Broncos have interest and thinks thats a better place to play. Not really being a cry baby, malcontent, whiner etc etc. Then when its all done and nothing changes, he will step in and just play. Cant see him doing pushups in his driveway

  322. 322 ACViking said at 4:02 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    P —

    Bradford still has moves.

    The fines mean nothing to this guy’s bank account.

    He could go progressively nuclear — all the way to full Carson Palmer.

  323. 323 Julescat said at 4:05 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    thereby limiting future interest in him

    a few teams might take the risk but not at the salary he’s getting now.

  324. 324 peteike said at 4:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I guess, just dont see it. I want him gone and wish Howie would just take an expensive 3rd or whatever and get on with it.

  325. 325 RobNE said at 4:10 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think him sitting out and losing his salary and having to repay his bonus (he would, right?) are so low probability that you have to keep playing poker with him and Denver.

  326. 326 anon said at 4:34 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    That would be condon driven, it doesn’t seem like sam’s that type of guy. Never heard him say anything off color.

  327. 327 b3nz0z said at 4:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    not with those noodly arms

  328. 328 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:33 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I’d rather not go thru this with our QB, but if it turns out that it’s only one week worth of drama in April, I’ll get over it to support the kid that gives me the best chance of seeing the best possible version of the Eagles next season. Im usually always about not being short sited and value looking at the Longterm view, but after this last year and a half, im fuckin tired, I don’t have it in me to go into a season knowing I have Chase Daniel all year, especially when we don’t get the silver linning of a high pick in next years draft to sit thru another bad season… I appreciate what Roseman is trying to do, toe the line between trying to win a division next year, without selling out our future to do it…. If he can pull this off, Bradford and Wentz provides the best mix of trying to win Now, while still making some big moves for our future..
    I dont blame Roseman, and I can understand someone not wanting To be a lame duck in whatever his occupation is. Even easier to understand when talking about a kid who has had to learn a different offense every yeàr and is just trying to look for some Stability…. He has EARNED his right to cry like this and try to force his way out, but I can also see why he wouldn’t be thrilled…. It’s one thing if they draft a QB in round 3, but SAM probably feels like now there is nothing he can do to make this his home and not have to go join another team and learn another offense… I don’t think its a case of him being so disgusted that he has to compete with a rookie, because that’s not even the case, the Eagles haVe no intention of playing the rookie this year, I feel like the real issue is he now feels like there is nothing he can possibly do to be our Longterm QB. Probably feels that even if he has a monster year, he has zero chance of earning the long term position, so if that’s how the kid feels, I can’t make it the end of the world if he takes one week in April to try and better his position…. He signed because he believed he would play well enough to earn his future with this franchise, and now probably feels like there is nothîng he can do to earn this job Longterm…..reality probably depends on how the Eagles see it. Would they be OK with keeping Wentz on the bench for 4 or 5 years(and then franchise him) if Bradford miraculously stays healthy the next 4 years and finally realizes his full potential? Or because of what we gave up for Wentz, do they feel like they will have to put him on the field year two, yeàr 3 as soon as he is ready?
    Best case scenario for me would be this turning out to be a Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady situation where we end up contending with SAM the next couple years but at some point he gets knocked out of a game, Wentz comes in and we find out he is the truth and the team doesn’t skip a beat and it becomes a seamless transition from Sam to Carson…. But this is philly, and dream scenarios are hard to come by

  329. 329 ACViking said at 4:01 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    You actually think(?) that one week after telling the Eagles — and every other NFL team in the most public way — that he has no intention of showing up for any further VTAs . . .

    Bradford’s just gonna fold and return to Eagles’ VTAs?

    After publicly selling himself the way he has?


    Zero chance he’ll be back of NC until — at the earliest — MTA.

  330. 330 b3nz0z said at 3:55 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    The Sam Bradford Story

  331. 331 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:00 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Damn, Kiper moved Conklin up into his top 6 best prospects

  332. 332 b3nz0z said at 4:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    do you ever wonder if he intentionally keeps some good prospects rated low until late in the process just so he has something new to say?

  333. 333 RobNE said at 4:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    yeah wow one day before the draft and he just got some new tidbit of information to move him up?

  334. 334 b3nz0z said at 4:11 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    of course he can always cite an unnamed source “i’m hearing from some league insiders that he’s just the bee’s knees in pass pro”

  335. 335 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:03 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Conklin has been talked about as a top 12 prospect the past few weeks now. heck worthless Elliot Shorr Parks always had him as the Eagles Target at #8, and im pretty sure he didn’t come up with that evaluatipn of Conklin on his own and was most likely going off what some other draft expert was saying…
    For a few weeks Now, there has been a lot of talk about him leaping over Stanley, And how the Niners could prefer him,.. Also talk that Chargers looking for MAULERS in the run game so they may prefer trading back, and taking Conklin after letting two teams like the Jags and Ravens get Stanley and Tunsil… Of course there has also been talk about Stanley leap frogging Tunsil… So we gotta to see who really saw it correctly, but this Conlin rise ISNT completely last minute, he has been talked about as a target for the Giant at 10 for months.. This was however the first time I saw him rated higher than Wentz on a big board of overall prospects

  336. 336 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:04 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I always feel like the media doesn’t get its best info Til the day before the draft.

  337. 337 Media Mike said at 6:39 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    That’s comical.

  338. 338 Allen3000 said at 4:25 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Kind of beating a dead horse here, but….wow, I didn’t realize how much of an entitled d-bag Sam Bradford is.

    This guy has made $78 million through 6 seasons in the NFL. He’s thrown exactly 78 TD’s in his career. That’s $1 million per TD pass! In his 6 seasons, he’s generated a grand total of 25 wins! That’s over $3 million per win.

    If you compare Bradford’s stats to other QB’s who have started as many games as him over the past 6 seasons, he ranks dead last or next to last in almost every major category. Yet, he continues to get a pass because of how great he was in Oklahoma. He gets a pass because every now and then he shows glimpses of potentially being a solid starting QB in the league. The reality though is that he’s a mediocre at best QB – and that’s really being generous.

    Honestly, I was okay with Sam coming back and serving as a stop gap until the next QB comes along. But now? Nah, kick rocks Sam. Take your entitled, whiny ass somewhere else. Oh wait, no other team is willing to spend as much on you as we did. But, you’re trying to paint the Eagles as the bad guys. LOL.

  339. 339 anon said at 4:28 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    sam’s not going to be the guy here, he doesn’t want to be a stopgap, if you can get good trade value move on, but i don’t see why everyone is up in their feelings about a QB that most fans don’t even like.

    For Sam there’s lots of risk in waiting a year even if he plays well, who will have a vacancy? maybe jets and broncos? The perennial no QB teams are starting to pick up guys or are teams that aren’t competitive.

  340. 340 Allen3000 said at 4:42 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I get that, but Bradford has to realize that his track record doesn’t match the adoration he believes teams have for him. He has a very distorted view of himself and how he’s perceived around the league.

    Right today, how many teams in the NFL do you honestly think would be excited to sign Bradford as their QB of the future? I’ll wait.

  341. 341 anon said at 4:46 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    what adoration? Broncos have a playoff calibur team w/ mark sanchez and his agent has worked a lot with elway. Any agent would do the same for his client.

  342. 342 laeagle said at 4:43 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Agreed, people are taking this way too personally.

    I think Sam is right to be angry. He signed a 2 year prove it deal with every intention of going in and winning the job long term. I’ll bet he even felt confident if he was competing with a 1st round pick. But now he’s going against organizational inertia. Even if he “beats out” the rookie, the team is going to find it really hard to not start their rookie who they gave up so much to go and get, within a couple of years. It’s a near impossibility that Sam is the longer term starter (or even medium term) because of the resources involved. So now his “prove it” deal becomes a stop gap deal, because it’s no longer enough to just beat a rookie; he has to somehow be worth 2 firsts, a second, and a third.

    With that said, though, I don’t think the answer is to take it public. It’s bad PR and it helps no one. It reeks to me of an agent trying to squeeze even more money out of a situation.

    Condon’s response to angry Sam should have been to say, “I get it, but here’s the deal: you go win that job and there’s no way they can cut you, and if they do, we’ll have an even bigger pay day.” Instead, Condon just steepled his fingers and did his best Mr. Burns impression.

  343. 343 anon said at 4:45 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    How do we know Sam’s angry? Have you seen anything on twitter? Any press statements, statements from teammates?

    I’m sure sam’s mad, but this is all in Condon’s hands.

  344. 344 laeagle said at 4:46 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    So you’re saying I’m reading the reports wrong that say “Bradford is hot!”? Damned syntactical ambiguity gets me again…

  345. 345 Allen3000 said at 5:15 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Wouldn’t you think Condon would have to be given the green light by Bradford first? I would presume Condon is a very intelligent person and could have predicted how others would perceive Bradford’s actions. The actions seem to indicate a strong emotional reaction.

    I get why Bradford would be mad, but his contract pretty much indicated that the Eagles don’t have full confidence that he can be their long term starter. He had to have seen the writing on the wall. You can’t routinely come up short and expect blind loyalty in the NFL.

  346. 346 anon said at 5:19 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    He had an opportunity to be franchise guy, now he doesn’t. He wants to leave, that’s anyone’s right.

    He talked to Condon, condon laid out the options. Either you can deal and be marketable next year or maybe i can work something out for you. Presents Broncos deal. Sam says ok. Tom, being a good agent lays out the strategy to force a trade – get fans to hate you make it clear there’s a destination, and see what happens. Sam looks at his bank account and says, you’re the man, do what you gotta do.

    Tom Condon goes on the air saying the craziest stuff, fan/news media, etc. all have same reaction, trade bradford. Sounds like Condon is earning his $ to me.

  347. 347 Allen3000 said at 5:34 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    So…at some point between Sam signing his contract here and the Eagles moving up to #2, he suddenly realized he would rather take a pay cut to have the opportunity to start for a winner? That’s cool and all, but no one put a gun to his head and told him to sign in Philly. And when he signed here, he knew very well that this was no guarantee for long-term security.

    No matter how this gets played out, it makes Bradford look bad. The bottom line is, *if* Bradford was capable of playing to his potential, he has no reason to feel his job his threatened.

    Yeah, the Eagles gave up a ton of draft picks to presumably draft their franchise QBs. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the next QB will just be handed over the starting job. He would have to earn that. Bradford has the ability to prevent that from happening. But judging by his actions, he’s not up for that challenge.

  348. 348 anon said at 5:35 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    After Eagles traded up and Sam knew he wasn’t going to have a chance at being the guy he wanted to move. HE signed her with the understanding that if he won out he’d be the guy – him and eagles may have had a different understanding when they signed…

  349. 349 peteike said at 4:49 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    no, hes not right to be angry at all imo. Just go play and play well and let the chips fall. You just signed a nice contract that was limited anyway. Even if if he goes elsewhere theres a good chance its same situations, Denver ie could draft a QB and nothing changes per his “long term” status.

    I do think the adjectives on him are a bit much and it may be the agent more than him. Or just a desire to be on a better team but it certainly isnt doing him any favors in the reputation dept.

  350. 350 laeagle said at 4:52 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t know, “he’s not right to be angry at all” is pretty unreasonable. He’s not right to act the way he has but he’s certainly entitled to be a bit upset about all of the assets moved to get a rookie QB. It doesn’t say a lot good about the team’s feelings about him. Not that the team owes him anything in that regard, but it’s certainly understandable why a big trade for a rookie QB would affect him differently than just drafting one at 8.

  351. 351 ChoTime said at 4:58 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    They signed a mutually-beneficial contract (Bradford did not take a hometown discount) and now the Eagles are doing what they can to improve the team. He has no more right to be angry than any other player, RB, CB, OT, etc. in the Not-For-Long league. He has a better platform and more leverage because he’s a QB (ie, more power).

  352. 352 laeagle said at 5:01 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Again, this notion of “he has no right to be angry” is ludicrous. He has no right to act like an ass, but I’m not sure where these restrictions come from on what people are allowed to feel.

    It was quite obvious that Sam had visions of long-term plans here in Philly, despite the 2 year contract. Evidenced by the offseason work with Ertz, Matthews, and others. The team made a big move to say that they had a different long-term plan. It’s pretty clear why that would be upsetting.

    The emotion is different from the action afterwards. Telling people how they’re supposed to act is OK. Telling people how they’re supposed to feel is a fucking waste of time.

  353. 353 ChoTime said at 5:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    So your argument is based on a weird semantic distinction. The point isn’t how he feels, but what he’s threatening to do.

  354. 354 laeagle said at 5:16 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    It’s really not that weird, or subtle.

    “He has no right to be angry!!!” WRONG.

    “He has no right to act this way!!!” CORRECT.

    Not sure what’s so weird about that distinction.

  355. 355 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:21 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I feel you… Can’t exactly control how you feel. But you can control how you react to your feelings.

  356. 356 anon said at 5:22 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    wait wait, what’d you do with GEAGLE? Who is this guy?

  357. 357 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:23 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  358. 358 ChoTime said at 5:23 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    You have no right to be offended by what barbaric Philadelphia fans think!

  359. 359 peteike said at 5:06 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I would agree with that if he had been here last 5 years or even came with a different reputation of being a solid starter. Guy is like bottom third of the league for QBs

  360. 360 laeagle said at 5:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think that ties into how he should act, not necessarily feel. No one with his track record should ever be demanding a trade like this. I will wholeheartedly agree that his behavior since the draft it totally out of proportion with the reality of the situation.

  361. 361 peteike said at 5:30 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    yup I get that, theres a difference between the front put up with this hedging vs how much he really cares.

  362. 362 b3nz0z said at 5:10 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    yeah he’s allowed to be angry. he’s wrong to not USE that anger in the gym and the film room and in huddles.

  363. 363 laeagle said at 5:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

  364. 364 Allen3000 said at 4:51 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Not sure how read that much in to my statements and came to the conclusion that I’m taking this personally. I could care less about Bradford. All I’m saying is, he can go kick rocks if he honestly feels like he’s been mistreated or undervalued.

    He’s getting compensated very generously given his spotty track record. Again, 25 wins in 6 seasons.

    If Bradford suddenly turned in to the player he’s been getting paid to be, then yes, he would absolutely have a legit chance to start beyond next year. Apparently, Sam’s not up for that challenge though.

  365. 365 laeagle said at 5:02 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Calling someone an entitled d-bag is usually evidence of a pretty strong personal feeling.

  366. 366 anon said at 5:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    You’ve probably spent to long in LA. That’s like saying “Hi” on the east coast.

  367. 367 Allen3000 said at 5:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Not really. I probably phrased my post wrong. The bottom line is that his actions do make him seem like an entitled d-bag. Obviously, I know absolutely nothing about Sam personally and wish no ill will on the guy. I’m talking Sam the football player.

  368. 368 laeagle said at 5:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Can you really call him a d-bag after staring into those dreamy eyes, though?

  369. 369 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:48 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Most fans wanted to use him as a trade chip the entire time. But it was so unrealistic that Roseman would screw a power agent by signing SAM just to trade him whever we wanted. So all the fans that always wanted to use him as a trade chip should be thrilled because BRADFORDS Camp now made that at least a possibility which didn’t realistically exist before.
    if he isn’t traded this weekend, hopefully he shows up for work next week and put this behind us. His options are limited as is right now, I imagine his few options will dry up by the end of this draft, There are some other QBs available that teams are actually looking to unload

  370. 370 unhinged said at 5:05 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t think the general reaction to SB’s buyer’s remorse is so much emotional as it is surprise and puzzlement at the total irrationality of his agent’s explanation. “He wants to be the man”, and he’s in a prime position to become just that if he bets on himself, goes out and proves he’s worth keeping. If his play exceeds fan expectations in 2016, and Eagles win their division and go to the playoffs, THEN his demands would make some sense. He may believe that there is a franchise where he will be more loved, but if he looks at his tape from last season, his self-belief may come back down to earth. Stop-gap is all he’s gonna get until he sells a GM on his dependability.

  371. 371 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    There is a difference between Having a chance to Earn becoming our long term starter and feeling like he is in a position where no matter how great he plays there is nothing he can do to earn the job here.

  372. 372 unhinged said at 5:33 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    That just flies in the face of common sense. If he plays great, he’ll name his price…here or wherever he shops his carcass. Is he insecure? Is it too steep a challenge to meet? Maybe Condon talked to Elway after HR signed his boy, and the idea that he can flourish on a Super Bowl champion made the 22M look small in comparison. Eagles would be crazy to go for that. I don’t hate Bradford, and I’m not one of the folks arguing that he should not have been signed if the Eagles knew they were going to move up and get a QB. But this eleventh hour unhappiness on Sam’s part is hard to feel.

  373. 373 anon said at 5:37 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    “If he plays great, he’ll name his price…here or wherever he shops his carcass” – He’ll never get a long term contract here. What teams need a QB next year? Who knows, could just be cleveland or SF.

  374. 374 unhinged said at 5:54 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    If a long term contract is his end game, why did he take 22M for 2 years? He ought to respect his own decision.

  375. 375 anon said at 6:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    prove it deal.

  376. 376 Allen3000 said at 5:39 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Why would he not be given a chance to start if he plays great next year?

    I don’t get this logic. Sure, the Eagles f.o. wants to look good so it would be preferred that they get Wentz on the field during year 2. BUT, if Sam does become THAT guy he supposedly can be, why would he not have a chance to continue and start? WHy would any NFL team sit a much better QB simply bc they’d rather be right about their top draft pick?

  377. 377 anon said at 5:44 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    b/c eagles gave up so much in the draft. I think it’d be different if eagles drafted wentz at 8 or 15, but to jump all the way to two – no organization makes that kind of move if they don’t think that kid is the future.

    Sam would have to be aaron rodgers to stay here. But did they spend that 1st on a new tackle, or a WR or a RB, to help the offense, no, they spent a ton of picks on a QB.

  378. 378 anon said at 4:39 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    9 News Denver’s Mike Klis reports the Broncos are unlikely to make a trade for Colin Kaepernick by Sunday. While Klis conceded a Kaepernick trade is “not impossible,” the two sides have had “zero” discussions and there’s no indication that will change leading up to the draft.

  379. 379 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:54 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think they reached a stand still in the negotiations, Denver made a final offer. Niners didn’t budge on the asking price and this game of chicken was always going to be decided on draft weekend. Think the niners clearly want to trade him, but they better be careful, because they could lose Denver as a trade partner to the Bucs, or Eagles… So if I had to guess, I would say denver will win this game of chicken and the niners will be forced to lower their asking price, even if Denver’s attempt to get Bradford is going no where, it still could help them make the niners get nervous and lower their asking price for Kap..
    No idea how the Jets feel about all this? Do they have interest in any of them? SAM? Kap? Glennon?… Are they happy to eventually work it out with Fitzy and then draft Lynch, Cook or Hack? Doubt Bryce Petty is ready to take over

  380. 380 Media Mike said at 5:00 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Kaep not wanting to drop his salary to $7 mil.

    Sam’s salary will be $7 mil after the trade…………..

  381. 381 anon said at 5:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    yup, condon was playing chess when he made that K.

  382. 382 mksp said at 5:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    This trade is taking too long to consummate.

    C’mon Howie, get it done.

  383. 383 GermanEagle said at 5:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Personally I’m hoping that we won’t hear about that trade before the start of the draft. Giving me one more reason to stay up and drink late tomorrow night.

  384. 384 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:22 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    What are you, 6 hour time difference?

  385. 385 GermanEagle said at 6:52 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I am a German alien living in the big apple. No time difference. But by the time the Eagles pick I am hoping for a beer count of 8+.

  386. 386 daveH said at 7:30 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Please post the beer count as they happen.

  387. 387 GermanEagle said at 7:38 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  388. 388 daveH said at 8:02 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I hope i wish. . Probabyl unable unfort

  389. 389 GermanEagle said at 8:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Cmon man. It’s draft day. Then no more football until September.

  390. 390 b3nz0z said at 5:26 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    i would have consummated like five times by now

  391. 391 Rob Jarratt said at 6:06 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    You are showing your prowess, man! Maybe twice for me since I’m 74. Not bad for an old man.

  392. 392 Duracell said at 5:24 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I didn’t read all the way through this thread, but I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere. Do you think part of the Eagles reluctance to trade Bradford is because of the additional money they’d owe Daniel if they installed him as the starter for the year?

  393. 393 anon said at 5:27 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Doubtful. I think they aren’t excited about chase actually playing football. But are excited about school wentz in the pederson method.

  394. 394 peteike said at 5:28 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    you Chase Daniel doubters will be sorry. The bar is set as high as Sam Bradford, you can do it Chase lol

  395. 395 nicolajNN said at 6:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I also think they’d prefer Wentz not being one injury away from starting

  396. 396 anon said at 6:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    think that’s right.

  397. 397 b3nz0z said at 5:26 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    BLG with the thinkpiece

  398. 398 Media Mike said at 6:34 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Interesting move, but I don’t think fan upset would force Howie’s hand.

  399. 399 unhinged said at 8:44 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Sound theory. If the strategy backfires, and HR doesn’t take the bait, it will be interesting to see Sammy answer questions like a politician.

  400. 400 anon said at 8:58 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    easy, past is the past i’m here to lead the team and win games. Next.

  401. 401 RobNE said at 5:46 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    what do you think, trade happens or no?

  402. 402 Insomniac said at 5:47 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    It’ll happen but it really depends on much shit Lurie will take from Bradford.

  403. 403 b3nz0z said at 5:48 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    yeah. fourth that can become a third plus a depth guy at OL or DL. would have been more if a certain former Ram could keep his trap shut till friday but no . . .

  404. 404 Bob Brewer said at 7:01 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  405. 405 daveH said at 7:28 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    , the trade definitely might happen.

  406. 406 kajomo said at 7:30 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I dont think it will happen. Unless Denver really gives us great value I think Sam remains an Eagle

  407. 407 anon said at 6:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    2013 NDSU QB Brock Jensen
    Qbr: 167, 66% completion, 34TD, 7INT

    2015 NDSU QB Wentz (hurt half the year – this is his best year though)
    Qbr: 152.3, 62% completion, 17TD, 4INT

  408. 408 anon said at 6:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  409. 409 Insomniac said at 6:11 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Something something Wentz will hopefully be a better pro.

  410. 410 peteike said at 6:18 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    this doesnt mean much, the projected skillset is what matters. Who am I kidding, we are drafting the next best CFL player

  411. 411 Lord of the Rings said at 6:23 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    all aboard the Brock Jensen train!

  412. 412 Bob Brewer said at 6:47 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Because if there is anything to imply NFL success on, it’s college stats.

  413. 413 Nailed It! said at 7:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    And this apple tastes nothing like this orange.

  414. 414 anon said at 7:24 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    really, i thought they’re two apples. Very similar stats, both lead teams to multiple national championships, one plays in CFL, other is the #2 pick.

  415. 415 Nailed It! said at 7:43 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    A donut with no hole is a danish and flute with no holes isn’t a flute.

  416. 416 Lord of the Rings said at 7:46 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    a flute with no holes is a stick

  417. 417 daveH said at 7:27 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    How did the nuts taste?

  418. 418 Lord of the Rings said at 6:55 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Bradford for mathis!

  419. 419 RC5000 said at 7:15 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Not there anymo, he’s on Arizona.

  420. 420 Lord of the Rings said at 7:46 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    oh yeah! forgot it already!!!!
    I hate Arizona!

  421. 421 Media Mike said at 7:08 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Made an attempt at a mock using Fan Speak’s composite rankings.


  422. 422 RC5000 said at 7:27 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t know if this is legit

  423. 423 Media Mike said at 7:28 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  424. 424 Steve Smegal said at 7:33 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Haven’t heard from Condon in a bit so that might also be a good sign.

  425. 425 Media Mike said at 7:36 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Maybe because he died. That would be even better.

  426. 426 oreofestar said at 7:51 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  427. 427 Media Mike said at 7:52 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I possess none.

  428. 428 MagHelpsHubby.... said at 8:23 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    For all the rotten tomatoes being thrown at Sam in the last 48 hours or so, it has been Condon doing most of the talking, and he was the sly fox in the chicken coop when Howie was just being hatched. Someone somewhere suggested a face-off between Howie and Elway. Nonsense. Both of them are being schooled by that crafty agent. Many agents are smarmy (Drew Rosenhaus), but not all. Don’t forget, the first contract Tom Condon ever negotiated was his own, wherein he beat Hank Stramm at his own game.

  429. 429 Lord of the Rings said at 7:49 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    hmm wonder what Elway REALLY thinks of sam? Elway was pretty tough and gutsy. I’d be a little embarrassed if I were Bradford going in there. but he signed sanchez so …

  430. 430 GermanEagle said at 7:38 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Just a friendly reminder to my Eagles fellas:

    Always keep your expectations low when it comes down to the trade compensation for the Eagles. Especially when it involves Bradford. #Floles

  431. 431 Media Mike said at 7:41 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Hush. AJ Feely for a two forever!

  432. 432 GermanEagle said at 7:44 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Golden times.

  433. 433 johhnyblaze said at 8:00 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I totally agree

  434. 434 MagHelpsHubby.... said at 8:25 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  435. 435 RC5000 said at 7:40 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Walter football already grading our 2nd pick overall. Filed under signs of the apocalypse.

  436. 436 GermanEagle said at 7:43 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Smells ‘goofy’ to me.

  437. 437 RobNE said at 8:07 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Wrong to compare this to the Julio trade.

  438. 438 shah8 said at 7:52 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Oh, just gotta laugh so I don’t cry…

  439. 439 oreofestar said at 7:53 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  440. 440 shah8 said at 7:55 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    this is pretty obviously a FUBAR situation, and one that indicates that the Eagles aren’t interested in winning right now, not really.

  441. 441 laeagle said at 8:13 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  442. 442 shah8 said at 8:19 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    unless we are luckier than we deserve, and who we got is better than what I think he is by a good margin, we’re screwed.

  443. 443 Lord of the Rings said at 7:53 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    what is the record going to be with Chase daniels starting this season?

  444. 444 oreofestar said at 7:53 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  445. 445 Lord of the Rings said at 8:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  446. 446 Media Mike said at 7:54 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  447. 447 Lord of the Rings said at 8:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:


  448. 448 Media Mike said at 8:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    The Schwartz is strong.

  449. 449 P_P_K said at 9:31 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Best coaching hire in a long time.

  450. 450 shah8 said at 7:56 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Chase Daniels was a nepotism hire. So think Charlie Whitehurst level of effectiveness.

  451. 451 Lord of the Rings said at 8:09 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    his nepot has nothing to do with it.

  452. 452 RC5000 said at 7:54 PM on April 27th, 2016:

  453. 453 oreofestar said at 7:56 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I mean depending on how you look at it, anything after round 2 can be considered a mid rounder

  454. 454 oreofestar said at 7:57 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    hope he is wrong though

  455. 455 Allen3000 said at 7:57 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    That’s awful compensation. What leverage does Bradford have?

    Obviously we don’t want to let him walk away and get nothing in return, but you can’t look your players in the eye and tell them with a straight face that you’re competing for a title when you’re starting QB is a career clipboard holder.

  456. 456 Greg Richards said at 8:38 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    You can’t look your players in the eye and tell them with a straight face that you’re competing for a title when you’re starting QB is Sam Bradford either.

  457. 457 anon said at 8:56 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think sammy b, with an offseason and good weapons will be good. In the second half of the season i can’t look at those games and say “sam bradford blew it for us with his passing”.

  458. 458 Greg Richards said at 9:04 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    In an ideal world, but I wouldn’t overrate a nice seven game stretch. It hasn’t been the norm for his career.

  459. 459 anon said at 9:15 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I think the deal he got was on the money. But also understand that Howie has limited time, Pederson wants his guy, etc.

  460. 460 Mr. Magee said at 8:16 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    This is awful… No way – tell them to pound sand

  461. 461 Greg Richards said at 8:23 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Here’s the thing you have to take into account: If the Eagles hadn’t resigned Bradford, then the most they could have received was a 2017 3rd round comp pick and that would have required them to sign less qualifying UFAs than they lost. We would have had to be significantly less active in free agency. That was likely not going to happen so we wouldn’t have received any compensation.

    So, really, by signing him you’re buying whatever picks you receive in a trade with cap room.

  462. 462 MagHelpsHubby.... said at 8:30 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    There are multiple shenanigans going on behind closed doors which the fan base never knows about until after a move is made public. And most of the Front Office types are actually smarter than the fan base too! ;~). At least in professional sports matters.

  463. 463 Allen3000 said at 7:54 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    ‘What if’ we knew Jalen Ramsey was the next Darrelle Revis or Tunsil was the next Anthony Munoz? Would you pull the trigger?

    I guess it doesn’t matter anyway since we will be down a starting QB in a few days AND we don’t have a 1st rd pick next year.

  464. 464 MagHelpsHubby.... said at 8:32 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Revis is the epitome of clever mercenary, or his agent is. The Philly sports fans seem to want some level of “loyalty”, so maybe a poor fit.

  465. 465 Allen3000 said at 9:03 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    True….You can substitute Revis for Champ Bailey or Rod Woodson. I was just laying out a pointless hypothetical. Usually when a team gives up a ton of picks it’s for a QB, but *what if* it was for a non-qb position the Eagles were sold on?

  466. 466 stephenstempo said at 10:19 AM on April 28th, 2016:

    What if teams knew that Carson Wentz was going to be the next “Insert future hall of fame QB here.” I mean that’s the thing about the draft isn’t it? Some teams “think” they know a la RG3. I mean I think if any one player was a sure fire future HOF with multiple pro bowls and very few injuries every team would be scrambling for that guy at any position.

  467. 467 RC5000 said at 8:15 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    At least we will get the name Chase Daniel right when he’s the starter?

  468. 468 Mr. Magee said at 8:17 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Let’s hope the opposing defense doesn’t take the name to heart

  469. 469 shah8 said at 8:18 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    After his latest mauling, Greg Hardy goes…”Damn, Daniel, that was a long chase!”

  470. 470 anon said at 8:26 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Watching all of the Wentz tape, i’d be more interested in the OL than the QBs, never seen such a clean pocket on almost every throw.

  471. 471 Fufina said at 8:34 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Well Joe Haeg (the LT) is going to get drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, and could well be in play with our 3rd round pick.

    Think you need to watch more tape though since his OL while very good in the run game really struggled with blitz’s and stunts. Go watch the Jacksonville state game (his last) and that is a pretty consistently muddy pocket.

  472. 472 anon said at 8:55 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    must have the “it” factor, otherwise i don’t quit get it – I could take him in an earlier round but moving pieces to go up in the first?

    There’s been lots of criticism about mechanics but my biggest thing is that he doesn’t, or it doesn’t look like, he moves through progressions.

    His mid/deep ball leaves a little to be desired. But we’ll see he’s an eagle i guess i have to like him. Matty B was a 4 year starter at a big school and he turned out terrible so i guess you really never know.

  473. 473 Fufina said at 9:05 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Having watched all the different XO’s shows during the draft in the last week i think there are 2 different aspects to consider with that. He is not asked to make full field reads in that scheme – he is only throwing to half the field on any single down (very common at the college level). So many of ‘open’ WRs he is not even looking towards on the play. 2ndly on many plays just by how the defense has lined up pre snap has taken away one or more of his reads as an offensive design a lot of the decision making is made pre snap.

    So on a lot of plays in that scheme he has 2 realistic options, throw to his primary read or check down to his 3rd option. Because of that he often waits on his primary read to see if it comes open if he has time before taking the check down option. There are times when he progresses through 2-3 reads quickly and move a safety with his eyes and then deliver the pass.

    Was listening to Mayock talk about this with QB evaluations and his view is nearly 75% of the plays any college QB runs you can throw in the bin from any analytical perspective outside of of the QB’s throwing mechanics because the scheme is not asking them to make NFL reads and decisions. I am not sure you can hold that hugely against any QB prospect and you have to focus on the plays where due to playcall and defense the QB is asked to do more NFL like skills. I think Wentz shows some of that at times, but lets be honest it is a small sample of a small sample, so it is hard to draw any quality opinions.

  474. 474 anon said at 9:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Thanks for this comment, i guess that’s why they want to sit him. But then i don’t understand trading assets unless he’s great, when those assets could be used on OL, WR, RB.

    Eagles do HAVE to find a QB

  475. 475 Fufina said at 9:38 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Well I am strongly part of the find a QB at any cost faction so i guess i cannot complain about the cost of the move (think it is somewhat offset with the cost between Rookie Wentz and a Bradford type contract over the same time allowing you to sign 2 FA’s to take the place of draft picks).

    An interesting point was raised by Joe Banner on the business of sport podcast- there are very few examples of teams finding their QB once they had put together a roster and been successful. Broncos had a decent core but adding Payton allowed them to sign a huge chunk of free agents to fill out the roster. The closest example i can think of is the Seahawks… but they really emerged as a force with Wilson in that Rookie year, no one considered them an elite team or roster before that.

    So lets try to find a QB – and ideally one with the ability to not just be good but to be great, and hope the coaching staff, scheme and team allows him to achieve his raw potential.

  476. 476 anon said at 9:46 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Yeah not many FAs that are good QBs, look at the hell drew breez puts NO through. I thought after watching last few games sammy b was the man. But can also see how, after all these years of looking you gotta take a shot on a guy if you think hes decent.

  477. 477 RC5000 said at 9:01 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    It’s just not true. The OL was pushed back on plays and the offense was mostly one/two reads so there isn’t a lot of time before he gets rid of it. What better scrambler/runner with his arm is out there he ran for 200+ times in 1 1/2 years.

  478. 478 anon said at 9:02 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Maybe they like the get the ball out quickly. He is very athletic

  479. 479 anon said at 8:57 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    49ers “retired” RT Anthony Davis tweeted, “I do not want to work with a
    front office or anyone else who seemingly doesn’t want to win as bad as I
    do.” – wow

  480. 480 ACViking said at 9:17 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    That’s a growth mindset

  481. 481 anon said at 9:18 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    really interested to see how things go for Chip in SF, the ultimate do as i say, not as i do coach – his kids would hate him.

  482. 482 Dave said at 9:19 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    I don’t understand how a player could have a problem with Balke, he is after all a “football guy”.

  483. 483 anon said at 9:51 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Does anyone remember preseason last year? what a time to be alive.

  484. 484 Fufina said at 9:56 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Here are my thoughts (long and detailed unfortunately) on how the Eagles are evaluating Sam Bradford at this point in the process and how this affects his value. Starting with where we stand contractually:

    The $11mil is a sunk cost at this point, it is spent and gone and unless there is some way in the CBA to void a contract with mutual consent we have to consider it gone. Because of this we can consider Sam being paid $7mil to play for the Eagles in 2016 and this is fully guaranteed. There is another $4mil in 2017 that is guaranteed but it has offset language so if he signs else where so realistically that is guarantee against catastrophic injury. To a large extent i think we can consider the contract as a $7mil guaranteed and a full option at $17mil in 2017. Because the Eagles have $9mil in cap space and very little to do (A Cox deal would likely have very little 2016 cap impact) In year cap really is not a concern. Long term cap is and that is $7mil cost to keep him vs trade scenario.

    So Bradford is pretty ‘cheap’ in 2016 currently for the Eagles and with little long term commitment at this point. If Chase Daniels starts he has significant play time incentives that means that there is probably only 2-3 million in savings by Trading Bradford and playing Chase. In fact it may well be very financially beneficial to get Wentz on the field quickly in a Bradford trade scenario. So all in all there is a pretty marginal salary cap impact of keeping or trading Bradford ($3mil or so to keep him over trade).

    So what are the on field cost benefits for the Eagles. Bradford has more talent and is far more proven than Chase, while Bradford is a below average starter there is still value with that. Eagles are in the NFCleast and have a realistic chance at the playoffs with decent defensive improvement. That would be a very beneficial outcome for both Doug and Howie who are trying to prove they belong as leaders to the team and build confidence in their program. With no no.1 pick the benefit of ‘tanking’ is reduced and means being good has a marginal cost. Being good will help bring in free agents are lower prices and being able to attract primary targets which will be important with us lacking draft picks.

    Then you have the Sam Goodford scenarios. There is still a non 0% chance that Bradford can become a franchise QB. He has the tools he just needs to the light to come on and him to truly take over an offense and become comfortable in it. This is becoming increasingly unlikely each passing year but with a good 2016 we might keep Bradford into 2017 and if that continues you might decide to keep him as the franchise QB in that scenario. If he is not quite great then improved play will significantly increase his trade value in 2017.

    Then you have Wentz. If you trade Sam Badford and with Daniels contract situation (and fan pressure) you are going to probably push him to play at least 6 games in 2016. Now depending on his progress this could be a positive thing but in that scenario you could bench Sam and start playing Wentz anyway. In a situation where you feel uncomfortable with him starting because he is still working on technique and adjusting then you could damage his development. Regardless you are probably going to have to go through the 2016 season planning for Wentz to be ready to take over at any moment and that will take away the opportunity to sit him for an entire year and to just focus on fundamentals rather than game to game preparation.

    Team chemistry? I think this angle is overblown, If draft happens and via trades/signings/draft picks Denver, 49ers and Jets resolve their QB situation then Bradford is going to have to accept this is the only place he can start in 2016. At that point he is going to have to kiss and make up with the team. I think the players will forgive him if he shows up and works (which is in his long term benefit). He will have lost the fans and media but that will affect Bradford a lot more than the rest of the team.

    So in summary. Trading Bradford only saves a marginal amount of cap ($3mil or so) over the next 2 years. It will probably decrease the chance of you winning a weak division in 2016, and the benefits that would give the team. It will put more pressure on Wentz early which may not be beneficial. It takes away a range of chances for Bradford to add value either as a QB of the future or to increase trade value. All in all i think there needs to be significant value to persuade the Eagles to trade Bradford and i would rebuff any offer that was not significant since you are giving up a lot of possible positive outcomes for some very minor cap savings.

  485. 485 RobNE said at 10:12 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Good stuff. How do you define significant but realistic value?

  486. 486 RobNE said at 10:16 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Also they paid Chase well I think they want him to help Wentz. He knows the system etc. He can’t do that if he is preparing to start each week

  487. 487 Greg Richards said at 11:04 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    What people aren’t accounting for here is that the $11M signing bonus was broken up into two installments, one that was due Mar 18th and one that was due in September(forget the exact date). While there has never been an exact case similar to this and therefore not a precedent, PFT has reported and Bryce Johnston(Eagles salary cap guy if you’re familiar with him) agrees that per the CBA(you can check out @NFLCapAnalytics if you want the exact CBA language) if Bradford was traded prior to that Mar 18th date then the Eagles’ 2016 salary cap would be charged the $11M but they would get a credit of the same amount on the 2017 cap. Extrapolating from that, since the Eagles have already paid the 1st installment, if Bradford was traded before the 2nd installment was due then his new team would be responsible for paying the 2nd installment. Thus, the Eagles cap would be charged an $11M dead $ hit for 2016 but they’d get back a 2017 cap credit of $5.5M.

    While there isn’t a precedent here and it’s impossible to confirm that that is what would actually happen, the fact that PFT reported it indicates to me that someone involved in the negotiation of the contract is of the opinion that is what the CBA dictates and has passed that info along to Florio.

  488. 488 GermanEagle said at 1:44 AM on April 28th, 2016:

    I read that the cut off date for this to happen is 1 June.

  489. 489 RC5000 said at 10:13 PM on April 27th, 2016:

  490. 490 Insomniac said at 10:14 PM on April 27th, 2016:

    Roby + Lattimer please Elway.

  491. 491 RC5000 said at 10:25 PM on April 27th, 2016: