Understanding the Odds

Posted: April 10th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 257 Comments »

Will the Eagles get a QB with pick 8? Will they trade up to get one, even to the top pick? Will they wait and target a QB in the middle rounds? Is there some late round prospect they like a lot?

There is a lot of confusion when we talk about QBs.

For some reason, many people seem to think there isn’t that much difference in the guys in the Top 10 picks and those that will go later in the draft. I understand that we all love sleepers and underdogs, but QB is a spot where you go big.

You may think a 5-star restaurant is overrated and prefer the mom ‘n’ pop diner down the way. Chances are, I’d agree with you. When it comes to your lawyer or your doctor, you want the guy from Harvard. You want the guy with the fancy office and the huge reputation. You don’t shop around for a sleeper or underdog.

QB is the same way. The odds favor you if you go get the prospect with the great resume and the high draft ranking. I wrote about this for PE.com.

Someone commented under the piece that Jacoby Brissett reminded them of Donovan McNabb. Both are 230 pounds. Both are athletic. Both have strong arms. That’s where things stop for me. Brissett went to Florida. Things didn’t pan out so he transferred to NC State. He started there for 2 years and did a nice job for the Wolfpack.

McNabb started for 4 years for Syracuse and set school and conference records. He led SU to major bowls and had an amazing career. McNabb then went to the Senior Bowl and looked great playing for Jon Gruden. He showed the ability to handle the West Coast Offense and handle pro coaching.

QB is a position where accomplishment matters. Potential isn’t meaningless, but it isn’t the same as with other positions. Jimmy Graham played football for one season at Miami and then became one of the most dynamic TEs in the NFL almost instantly. Richard Sherman went from WR at Stanford to project at CB. He got to the NFL and is the best corner in the league. JJ Watt was a TE at Central Michigan. They wanted to move him to OT. He decided to transfer to Wisconsin, where shifted to DE. He is now the most dominant defender on the planet.

QB isn’t like that. You need years and years of training to succeed at that position.

I’m not saying that late round picks and sleepers never pan out, but the odds are stacked against them. Kurt Warner is the ultimate lottery ticket. It could be years, even decades, before something like that ever happens again.

We tend to focus on Tom Brady, the former 6th round pick who is arguably the greatest QB of all time. But go back and look at his college career. He was fantastic at Michigan. It is a bizarre miracle that he slid as far as he did. I point out all of his accomplishments in the piece. He left UM as one of the best QBs in school history. I can’t tell you how different his story is from Cardale Jones, Christian Hackenberg, Vernon Adams, Dak Prescott and some of the other guys people seem to love this year.

There is nothing wrong with choosing a favorite mid or late round QB. I’ve done it. But you can sure as heck bet that I prefer the guys at the top of the draft. At the bottom of the draft, you are a lot more likely to find Andy Hall than Tom Brady.

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Tired of hearing about QBs? Okay.

Watch this Carson Wentz video…but focus on Montant DE Tyrone Holmes (#91).

Holmes plays RDE and LDE.

You will see a bit of Trent Cole in his game. Holmes uses a good burst off the ball, but I also love how physical he is. There were some plays where he just dominated the OTs.

Holmes would be a good late round target for the Eagles. He’s only 6-2, 253. That’s not the size Jim Schwartz usually prefers, but something tells me he would love Holmes game tape.

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257 Comments on “Understanding the Odds”

  1. 1 Understanding the Odds - said at 6:10 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor Will the Eagles get a QB with pick 8? Will they trade up to get one, even to the top pick? Will […]

  2. 2 Media Mike said at 6:14 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I dig it! So get one of the big 2 or don’t expect to get much other than a remote chance………….if we’re drafting for a starter.

  3. 3 gibsonplyer said at 6:31 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I have to assume the aim is for a starter. We have a long term back up and a guy with a 2 year contract which many experts say is really a 1 year contract.

    To me Bradford’s main role this year is help implement the offense and help evaluate the WRs so we know if we need to do a full overhaul there or if their lack of development was tied to Chip.

  4. 4 Fufina said at 6:43 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I think Howie is playing percentages. Bradford has a 25-35% chance of being the franchise QB we are looking for. He has the raw talent but has never put it together at the NFL level. Maybe this coaching staff is the one that finally makes it click, and if it does Bradford can be a very good QB.

    Daniel knows the system and is a vet back up, but there is a chance that he is the guy who puts things together if Bradford gets injured, or in 2017 if Bradford does not succeed. Think Daniel being the guy is pretty unlikely but it is probably 5% ish.

    Add a high draft pick in the 1st and they have a 30-40% chance of being the guy (looking at historic draft trends for top 10 QB’s)

    If they can get one of the top 3 QB prospects some that is the best case scenario, but if we do not then we have some lotto tickets already and we can try to grab a long shot (3-4%) in the 3rd or later and then try again in 2017 if Bradford does not blossom in 2016.

  5. 5 miked718 said at 7:02 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Trust the process. I dig it.

  6. 6 Cafone said at 12:17 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    I agree but I think your chances on Bradford are probably high. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

  7. 7 Media Mike said at 6:16 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Interesting side note with the Holmes stuff; he’s up against Haeg on some snaps.

  8. 8 miked718 said at 6:29 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Seems like the smart move might be to sit at 8, let the foolishness play out and not try to out-dumb the Browns/Jets/Rams/Cowboys/Niners and try to move up. If Goff/Wentz is there, take them. Otherwise try to trade back down and pick up a 2nd or 3rd depending on whose left from the top of their board. I know the history but Howie is on a hot streak and I feel like this could a great draft for him.

  9. 9 Media Mike said at 6:55 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    What if they get so dumb you get a way better player at 8 than you originally believed would be there? I don’t want to trade down at that point.

  10. 10 miked718 said at 7:02 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Good point. I guess my real hope is they sit at 8 and let whatever happens 1-7 happen and then make a sound decision afterward. If only Chip was the Niners’ GM!

  11. 11 Media Mike said at 7:06 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Do you have any “dream” guy that falls to 8 due to stupidity from 1 to 7? I’m really hoping we get Goff to fall, but would also love Stanley there. I don’t see a scenario where we get Ramsey or Jack, but that would be fun.

  12. 12 Fufina said at 7:12 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I want a QB at 8 (or higher – think a trade in front of SF to 6 or 5 would not be that expensive), or a Ramsey/Jack/Tunsil since they are the elite players.

    If there is no QB the like, and the elite players are off the board (Buckner is just a questionable scheme fit as is Bosa to an extent) Then i am happy to trade down and trade down. This draft is deep, and honestly i think you can get a comparable at 13 and 31.

  13. 13 Buge Halls said at 8:38 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    According to PFT.com, 8th pick is valued at 1,400 while the 5th is 1,700 (1,600 for 6th). So we’re looking at a swap of 1sts and probably one of our 3rds and probably a 4th. Not too much for a franchise QB, but…

  14. 14 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:26 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Goff or Wentz falling to #8 is probably our best chance to trade back and get a 2nd round pick… Might even get our own 2nd round pick back letting the Rams move up for a QB..
    ..
    Think we will either look to add an elite talent building up the roster, or using a QB falling to #z8 to trade back and get a 2nd round pick…. The biggest surprise for me would be the Eagles ending up with Goff or Wentz, That I will need to see to believe

  15. 15 Fufina said at 7:32 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    If teams are trading up they are going to no.5 or no.6, since both the Ravens and Jags have multiple needs across their rosters and would hugely benefit from having extra picks. The cost is pretty much the same to go to no.6 and to go to no.8, and why would you not jump in front of the 49ers if you felt that one of the 2 was a ‘franchise’ QB.

  16. 16 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:39 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Your right… But if a team like the Rams is finding the Jags or Ravens to be unreasonable, they could try again if their QB target falls to #8… But because of the pesky niners, you are right rhat a team that interested in trading up for a QB would most likely try and get ahead of the niners first.

  17. 17 Greg Richards said at 7:33 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Oh, I think if Goff or Wentz falls to 8 you have to give heavy consideration to taking them. I wouldn’t give up farm to trade up for the reasons you listed above.

  18. 18 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:12 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    This assumes they love these QBs as much as the media claims To know that we love them… I heard this shit too many times, about too many QB’s I found to be massively over rated..
    ..
    1) OMG Jeff Lurie went to visit GENO smith, he must be our 4th pick on the 2013 draft
    ..
    2) Johnny Manziel is Chip Kelly’s dream QB!!! Until he fell to us at 22, and Not only did we not take him, but chip łet another team trade for him.
    ..
    3) lol how can I really be surprised when the media talked us into spending every single day for 3 months talking about some ridiculuos pipe dream where teams were goimg to allow Chip to move up 18 spots all the way to #2 so he can get his golden boy
    ..
    4) now we are supposedly Gaga for Wentz/Goff to the point we are aggressively trying to get to #1… Give me a break, we fall for the same tired media narrative every single year
    ..
    5) a year from today, if Bradford DOESNT have a big year, I bet you right now that we will spend months hearing the media talk about how they know we are desperately trying to trade up for Watson, or whatever QB flavor of the day will be…
    ..
    We do this song and dance every single yeàr. I guess if the media consistentky throws shit at the wall, sooner of later they will be right…. And we take the bait every single year

  19. 19 miked718 said at 7:44 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    No facts here but I could see them trading down if Goff is still on the board at 8 but Wentz seems like the apple of Doug’s eye right now. Wentz probably won’t be there so maybe Rams trade up for Goff, we get our 2nd back and pick up Lynch mid-1st.

    Of course the Chippah loves Goff right? I could see Jerrah taking either one too.

  20. 20 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:00 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    I thought that narrative was that tiny hand Goff doesn’t interest chip?

  21. 21 Anders said at 2:21 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    If Goff or Wentz is there at 8 and we trade back. Both Howie and Doug should just quit, because they wont be here in 3 years then.

  22. 22 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:58 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Ok… Lol cuz Wentz n Goff are the Franchise Saviors. Get real, you wouldn’t give two shits about either in a normal QB draft…
    ..
    Might as well quit if they DONT get the Franchise savior from north Dakota lol

  23. 23 Ankerstjernen said at 3:30 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    If Wentz is there at 8 they, will take him. Howie simply cannot risk letting him go and become succesful with some other team. That would end him in Philly.

  24. 24 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:58 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Ok.., hopefully he falls to #8 so the answer to this debate will be crystal clear. It’s no fun if goff and Wentz both go top 3 and we don’t get an answer to this debate after 3 months….. Hopefully Wentz or whatever QB people think they will draft falls to #8, so I can be so satisfied when he doesn’t become an Eagle 🙂

  25. 25 Ankerstjernen said at 3:11 AM on April 12th, 2016:

    Well we both share the hope that he will fall to #8. But with all due respect, I believe that you are bonkers, if you think they wont take him, should he fall to them there. I also don’t think he will fall to 8. But in the unlikely scenario that a high upside QB who is the best of his class somehow makes it past the first seven picks, Ill get back to you and remind you about this conversation. And we will see.

  26. 26 ChoTime said at 7:06 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Mike, someone 3 standard dev. shorter than normal would be 5’1 or a little less.

  27. 27 Media Mike said at 5:03 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Was that the reply to my substandard deviant question?

  28. 28 ChoTime said at 12:36 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Yes. Wait, you weren’t talking about height?

  29. 29 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:22 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Why I find the trade up for a QB talk associated with the Eagles to be so Unlikely…
    ..
    I don’t believe the Eagles would pay the expensive cost of trading up for a QB until they make a decision on what they have in Bradford. Many people like Kimmy Jempski list the fact that the Eagles still have question about Bradford as the reason for why the Eagles will/should package multiple valuable picks trading up for a QB, which makes no sense as far as I’m Concerned, at least in THIS draft.
    .
    Its True that the Eagles still have questions about Bradford, his contract make that crystal Clear. But Kempski and others are clearly mistaken about what “questions about Bradford” really means. If we are being Objective and Honest, his contract clearly tells us that the Eagles are not ready to say that Bradford can be their guy moving forward. But what Kimmy Jempski fails to understand is that Bradfords contract also tells us that the Eagles are also not ready to say that Bradford is NOT their guy moving forward. I don’t see how the Eagles could possibly package a bunch of picks for a QB’s until they are ready to say that Bradford isn’t our QB going forward thus we would be so desperate that we have to consider drastic measures like giving up picks in the next two drafts trying to find our QB.
    .
    Fortunately for me, 22 Million says Loudly that the Eagles ARENT ready to say that Bradford isn’t going to be our QB going forward. 22 Millions says that the Eagles are paying an expensive price for the right to further evaluate Bradford before having to decide if he is our guy or not. I simply don’t see how it makes any sense to trade up for a QB until they decide that it can’t be Bradford, 22 million should have made it clear that they havent reached that conclusion yet, Jets vs, Fitzpatrik should Clearly show the difference between Fitzpatrik being a QB they want, while also being a QB they KNOW is NOT their Future, Compared to our situation where we gave SAM 22 million to find out if Bradford is going to be our guy or not. Further proof is the fact that we most likely knew all along that Chase Daniels was going to sign with us, so there would be NO REASON in the world to give SAM 22’million if we already knew he wasn’t our future and that we would have to do something drastic to Go get a QB in this draft.. So it’s ridiculuosly Disengenious for anyone to pretend that the Eagles already know that Bradford isn’t their future.., there is NO way in reality that the Eagles give 22million for a kid they already decided can’t be our QB. Jets should have made that clear with how they are treating Fitzpatrik, a QB they clearly would like back, but already know they can’t commit to Longterm.
    ..
    so why am I so confident that they won’t trade up for a QB? Because it pretty damn Moronic to think that after giving SAM 22 million to further evaluate him and pro long making a decision on him LongTerm, that a Month later HOWIE is either dumb enough, or wishy washy enough to do something that Essentially would automatically put an end to Bradford Evaluation we paid 22’million for before it even began.. In what world is that Reality? Lol the Moment a team drafts a QB in the Top 10 you are automatically marrying him, and that would scream to the World that the Bradford era is over, ESPECIALLY if you package a bunch of top picks in the next two drafts trading up for a QB.
    .
    The Eagles knew chase would sigń with us, they knew Wentz, Goff and Lynch were in this draft, and even when we were sitting at #13, we could have made a trade up to secure one if we really wanted…so it baffles me as to why anyone would think that we would give Chase and Bradford all that money, if they already knew that we are desperate enough to pay multiple picks going up for a QB. It makes No sense at all that the Eagles would give SAM 22 mil to find out what we have in him this year, but a month later feel as tho they have to pay the Iron Price moving up for a QB and putting an end to Bradfords future,,
    ..
    This is all so completely unrealistic, and just a little critical thinking Needed to realize how absurd this headline seeking media narrative really is.
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    Will the Eagles have to package a bunch of top picks to get their next franchise QB? Possibly… But it damn sure ain’t happening in THIS draft. Bradfords 2016 audition is our last ditch attempt from having to get desperate enough to consider trading away our draft soul to find a QB… But the trade up isn’t happening in This draft, and I like our odds of seeing the Eagles use a Wentz or Godf falling to #8, as a chip to trade back and get our 2nd round pick back. I expect the Eagles to draft their #3 QB somewhere between rounds 3 and 6, find out exactly what we have in Bradford, and SAM will NEVER see yeàr two of his contract, He either proves to be our guy and gets a new extension after next season, or he gets cut and we reach the point where we have to consider drastic measures like an expensive trade up to find our guy.
    ..
    And knowing Roseman, if the media really found out about his elaborate draft plans of making a big trade up for a Certan guy the media found out that he loves, tell me we wouldn’t be seeing Roseman leak a bunch of other new rumors about loving some other guy to muddy our draft picture…. Instead seems like Roseman DOESNT mind one bit seeing everyone in the media write about how much he loves wentz and how hard he is trying to trade up to secure him….and BTW, media MIKE is right, the Titans ARENT fooling anyone talking about all the many trade up offers they are getting, if that was true, they wouldn’t feel the need to broadcast it every chance they get.
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    Im expecting Roseman to continue his smart offseason, he filled all the immediate starting spots, now he is in great position to take the best players at whatever positions this draft class provides us and start building up our depth, with hopefully more picks that will grow into impact starters than picks who will be career Backups and ST players… if Roseman has a quality draft build our depth up, it should put us in position to better handle having to invest multiple quality picks trading up for a QB next year(especially when we have a second round pick) if Bradford DOESNT prove to be our guy With this season’s audition we paid 22million for… No one gives 22 million to a guy if they still feel like they have to package two drafts worth Of top picks for a QB.
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    it all points to no round 1 QB This year, appologize for bursting any bubbles with this dose of Reality

  30. 30 Greg Richards said at 7:32 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I agree with this. But……I thought I was long-winded.

  31. 31 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:45 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Awesome. I’ll go cry under my bed now

  32. 32 A_T_G said at 7:42 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Certainly a valid point of view. Well, except for part VII, section D, paragraphs 7 through 11. I think you went a little off the farm in that part.

  33. 33 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:56 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    You mean reality?

  34. 34 Fufina said at 7:47 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    You do not ‘lose’ value if you draft a QB top 10 in 2016 and Bradford comes out and looks to be a franchise QB and the long term solution. Teams that are high on Wentz/Goff would still be in 2017, and the Eagles would have paid his signing bonus making the their contracts VERY friendly, and the Eagles would have done the ‘year’ of development.

    If you like what the rookie has done in 2016, and the coaching staff wants to get behind the rookie then you can trade a very trade friendly Bradford contract for a premium asset.

    Eagles have not got a solution at QB yet.. and you keep batting until you get a solution. If Bradford fails to be more than a average-poor starter in 2016 there is a very high chance no QB is available to draft at any price that has the kind of talent that would be available with Wentz/Goff/Lynch. Dallas in 1989 spent back to back 1st round picks on Aikman and then Walsh in the supplemental draft because they needed to find a solution to the QB position and were not afraid to keep investing in the position.

    Eagles have gone 8 years without a true solution at QB. You spend resources until you figure that out.

  35. 35 Greg Richards said at 8:02 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    In theory, the whole if Bradford plays well then you can either trade Sam or trade the just drafted rookie thing sounds great. In reality though, I think the team’s leverage would be lessened by the fact that the teams interested would know that the Eagles would likely have to make a choice between the two.

  36. 36 Fufina said at 8:06 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Not really… because teams always need QB’s. There are always teams needing QB’s and they are willing to pay the price to get them. We effectively paid a 1st for Bradford for a 1 year rental. Look at the trades Andy pulled off for QB’s. Look at how much the Raiders paid for Palmer.

    And IF we are keeping Bradford because he has become the ‘guy’ there is no rush to trade the rookie QB, worst case we wait a year and then trade them in 2018, which can force up the price in 2017.

  37. 37 Greg Richards said at 8:08 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Sure, maybe. But then if Bradford becomes “the” guy then you’ve “wasted” the pick on a guy has sat on the bench for 1 or 2 years instead of getting a potential impact player at another position.

  38. 38 Fufina said at 8:17 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Bradford may be the guy (although find it unlikely at this point), Chase might be the guy. A rookie draft pick might be the guy. I would rather have more shots and opportunities at it than putting all my eggs in 1 basket at pretty low odds. If the cost of increasing my odds to find a franchise QB is waiting 2 years to get the value returned is a very cheap price in my opinion!

  39. 39 Greg Richards said at 8:26 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I think you have to always keep value in mind. Yes, some positions inherently have more value than others and those positions will always have an edge over other players at lesser positions. Obviously, QB is the highest value position. You can’t let a desperation for a QB or any other position impact your talent assessment to a significant degree though. No matter how much you need a franchise QB a guy isn’t necessarily going to be a franchise QB just because you draft him at 8 or trade up for him at a higher slot. Overvaluing the QB position because you’re desperate is how you end up with Jake Locker type picks.

  40. 40 Fufina said at 8:50 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Oh i agree, you have to have a QB rated in that tier of prospects where you think he has the traits and the fit to be a franchise guy. Wentz/Goff could be gone by the top 3 and then they don’t rate Lynch as a franchise guy, obviously you then go in a different position.

    However if you think any of these guys project well to being franchise QB’s for the Eagles then i think they go right to the top of your draft board.

  41. 41 laeagle said at 11:23 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Something similar worked out quite well for the Pats with Matt Cassel.

  42. 42 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:43 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Yeah cuz the Patriots packaged multiple top picks in two drafts for Cassell.. Apples vs Watermelons

  43. 43 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:41 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Yeah not realistic. Just wishful fan talk

  44. 44 Anders said at 7:47 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Why? We did the same with Vick/Kolb. There isnt 32 good QBs in the NFL, so if you have 2 above average ones, you can always trade one

  45. 45 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:36 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Wishful thinking….
    ..
    1) when was the last time a team took a QB in the top 10 and trade him a year later? Let alone package multiple top picks moving up for a QB and trade him a year later, while we still owe the team draft picks we are trading up for?
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    2) why would you think a team would give us anything for Bradford after This year when everyone will know that we will cut him if we take Wemtz/Goff? SAM will NEVER see year two of his deal. He either gets extended or Cut after this season. Why would SAM agree to a trade with a new team, when he knows we will cut him and he can become a free agent? It just doesn’t work that way, no matter how much we would like it to
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    Apples to pineapples comparing trading guys like Kolbb and Cassell compared to trading a kid you took in the top 10 the year before or possibly packaged picks to trade up for..
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    Im not sure the Madden Video game would even approve this unrealistic trade…. Take a QB in the top 10 means you are Marrying that QB, and it screams to the world that Bradford will be gone after the season. No shot in hell that we have Bradford 22mil to evaluate him one more year, and a month later do something in the draft that puts an Immediate end to the Bradford evaluation… NFL doesmt operate that way, maybe if Chip was still a GM, but we won’t be seeing Roseman do such a silly thing. But feel free to disagree. We will have our answers soon

  46. 46 BlindChow said at 10:47 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Not necessarily.

    When someone puts a great painting up for auction (for example), knowing he wants to get rid of it doesn’t keep the price down. It’s all about how many potential buyers there are.

    If enough teams are interested in our QB’s, our leverage won’t change. Teams will be bidding against each other.

    [Note: not saying this is what I prefer we do, only that in the unlikely event we end up with two quality starters, they won’t become less valuable to other teams simply because one is less valuable to us…]

  47. 47 Ben said at 8:18 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I agree with Gian’s novel and just want to clarify, you are saying we are not picking a QB in round one. LOL.

  48. 48 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:04 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    No, im saying we Will take Wentz, than trade all our first round picks until 2022 to Also get Goff

  49. 49 solid said at 10:10 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    IMO, if Goff or Wentz somehow fall into the Eagles’ lap at 8, I believe they take him. We will see very soon. Very excited about draft weekend this year.

  50. 50 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:53 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    If Goff or Wentz fall to #8, I expect Roseman to start dancing knowing he is going to use one to get his second round pick back. Thankfully it’s april 11, and we will get our answer soon

  51. 51 solid said at 11:14 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    If they select Goff or Wentz at 8, I see them keeping him, and then trading back up into the 2nd round for someone who falls.

    I also see them trading a pick in this year’s draft for a higher pick next year.

  52. 52 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:55 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Id rather draft two players in round 3 instead of one player in round 2.. Hopefully we find a way to get a second round without losing any of our 3rd round picks.

  53. 53 mksp said at 10:53 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    You really just love to ruin every thread, don’t you?

  54. 54 Jason said at 8:17 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I think Howie’s “Top 10 talent cutoff” rationale for first round swap with Miami was a convenient generic rationale for the trade initially and also helps masks his interest in a top 2 QB.

    Both Jimmy and Tommy basically accepted it at face value, but I doubt it has much meaning since it’s really a top 6 elite talent cutoff for the draft for Philly. Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, Bosa, + 2QBs. Buckner would be the 7th for 3-4 D Teams, but not for Philly.

    If none of those guys fall to 8 and the cost to move up to get one of the QBs is prohibitively expensive, I could totally see Howie moving back to pocket another draft pick and not see a huge loss in talent between 8-15. This presumes that Elliot, Stanley, and Hargraves are very good, but not such unique talents/values that you have to take them at 8. Same rules apply to the trade down, good enough do it, if not you can draft one of those three at 8 and feel pretty good about it.

    Kempski and a number of others took Howie at his literal word, that he didn’t move up to not take a top 10 talent. I say he just saw a smart way to increase the value of his first pick while jettisoning a non-optimal QB. He got greater “optionality” on the first pick as a certain recently dethroned Philly GM might have put it.

  55. 55 Fufina said at 8:24 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I do agree the whole 10 guys thing should be taken with a pinch of salt but I think that the Eagles could have 10 guys rated in the 1a and 1b category and then you move on down to group below them.

    My Eagles Board would be something like:

    1a)
    Wentz
    Tunsil
    Ramsey
    Goff
    Jack

    1b)
    Lynch
    Bosa
    Hargreaves
    Buckner
    Elliot

    Then the next tier.

  56. 56 Jason said at 8:29 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I’m not sure we’re far off. But even though his momentum has stalled in the last draft phase, I really believe Bosa is in that top tier for the Birds and any 4-3 D, and that Roseman and Schwartz would see Bosa as a long term starter to supplant either Graham or Curry — whoever from a talent or stamina perspective is better suited for a DE3 than a starter.

    You grab Bosa if he falls to 8. For the others in your second tier you settle for them (even potentially Lynch as Tommy postulated) if the trade down proposal is not sufficiently enticing.

  57. 57 Fufina said at 8:48 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    My concern with Bosa is purely scheme fit with the Eagles. He is a fantastic all round DE, with great strength and technique. However i think he is ‘wasted’ in a wide 9, where all his strengths – his fantastic hands, technique and strength are somewhat unused and he ‘just’ a good athlete meaning while he will get sacks and hold up against the run he will not have the kind of impact he would have compared to how he would have worked in a JJ defense.

    Fortunately i do not see him falling to no.8, and if we trade up it will not be for him so i think it is unlikely he ends up and Eagle. If he is there at 8 i think there is a good chance he is BPA and they take him anyway, because he is good enough to be plenty effective in this scheme and in 2-3 years we may have a scheme based around him and making him shine.

  58. 58 Jason said at 9:19 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    That’s interesting if Bosa’s skill set would not be ideal for the wide-9. I guess the unlikelihood that he would fall to 8 has precluded discussion. I know he’s not as quick twitch as an prototypical Wide 9 DE, but Graham is also a power/bull rusher, no? Was the imbecile Jason Babin, Jim Washburn’s protege, that different a skill set from Bosa?

  59. 59 Jack Waggoner said at 11:42 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Babin was only suited to the wide nine. Plus I hear he was a world class jerk.

  60. 60 Jack Waggoner said at 11:40 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    By the same token Graham isn’t best in the wide nine either.

    I don’t know how flexible Schwartz is willing to be. To me the best coaches will figure out ways to use great players and not try to pigeonhole them into roles they aren’t well suited for.

    And maybe take advantage of skills the players already know, if only to mix things up.

  61. 61 TypicalDouche said at 7:59 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Graham played very well in the wide nine before in a limited role so I don’t know where your sentiment that he isn’t the best in the wide nine is coming from.

  62. 62 Jack Waggoner said at 5:32 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    He is at his best in tighter. He’s a physical guy. Not a sprinter. Even in the day he was playing more of a 7.

  63. 63 eagleyankfan said at 7:44 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    It’s interesting that fans(sometimes including me) fall into the trap — if I don’t have a top 5 pick, I don’t want anybody from round 1– category. Fans were OK at 13, then excited at the move up and now disappointed at the talent that appears to be left(if the draft follows all mock drafts). As you pointed out, there is still talent on board at 8 if all the “hopefuls” are drafted. I’ll take potential 1b talent over potential talent in the 20’s. I’m ok at 8.

  64. 64 Tumtum said at 11:38 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    I don’t know ANYTHING about players before we draft them. I rely completely on what I hear. Every year I feel like our pick is just into the next tier of players. Which means that you are exactly right because I base my feelings off what everyone else says.

    Looking back at the first round history, the main thing I notice is that there is top level talent to be found all over the round. It really looks like there are more big busts than solid players though.

    I just don’t want to whiff.

  65. 65 eagleyankfan said at 12:43 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Amen. Someone to contribute almost right away…now someone we have to question every year (cough Aggie)

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  67. 67 bushisamoron said at 9:17 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I assume that Roseman, peterson, etc. are lying and rightly so as a lot is on the line in this draft. I read a lot about the draft, listen to podcasts, experts and truly hope that only the Birds front brain trust knows the direction they’re headed.

  68. 68 daveH said at 9:33 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I hope we draft some good players

  69. 69 NinjaP said at 10:27 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    What QB has a great resume in this draft? Cal and memphis weren’t exactly power houses and Wentz won some division 2 titles. I don’t get the point of this post.

  70. 70 TypicalDouche said at 8:01 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    I don’t see the point of your post.

  71. 71 eagleyankfan said at 8:07 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    I do – and it’s a valid statement….

  72. 72 TypicalDouche said at 8:09 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Congratulations smart guy you clearly don’t know what sarcasm is.

  73. 73 eagleyankfan said at 8:10 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    let me put on my “read your mind” hat and figure out what your thinking ….

  74. 74 TypicalDouche said at 8:11 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    You should do that because it might actually lead to you making sense for once on this blog.

  75. 75 eagleyankfan said at 8:13 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    awe – did someone piss in your cereal this morning? Let me check. Hold on one second……nope still don’t give a shit what you think. Double checking…nope.

  76. 76 TypicalDouche said at 8:15 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Lol aww little boy did I stump you so hard that you returned with a grade school come back? I’ll give you an A for effort on that one.

  77. 77 A_T_G said at 12:09 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    This conversation is like a satire of silly comment section bravado. I am going to choose to believe that the two of you arranged secretly to stage this for our amusement.

  78. 78 TypicalDouche said at 12:12 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I laughed myself at every comment.

  79. 79 Tumtum said at 11:32 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    He sort of goes in depth about resumes doesn’t he?

  80. 80 Sean Stott said at 1:28 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    UCLA is a pretty solid school in a pretty solid conference I think

  81. 81 Greg Richards said at 10:28 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Who knows what is smoke or isn’t right now but the latest thought is that the 49ers will pass on QB in the 1st round regardless of whether Kaepernick is on the team or not. That could make things interesting if the Eagles like Paxton Lynch. Let’s assume that Cleveland takes one of Goff/Wentz and the other either gets drafted by Dallas or by the Rams in a trade up. The only other serious threat to take Lynch after that would be the Bears potentially. It’d be a gamble but the Eagles could potentially trade down to somewhere around 15-18 and pick up a 2nd and still land Lynch. It’s a dangerous path obviously as another team could move up for Lynch but you always have fall-back options.

  82. 82 Media Mike said at 5:07 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    The Rams are interesting. I can see them wanting a QB, but having the wrong QB taken too high in the draft (even though it was the owner’s pick) ultimately got Fisher fired in Tennessee.

  83. 83 eagleyankfan said at 8:08 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Fisher is one of the “wonders of the world” — nobody can figure out how/why he still has a job….

  84. 84 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:17 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    It’s even worse than that… That Charlatan is only making like 500k less than Bellichick

  85. 85 eagleyankfan said at 8:18 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Did not know that….I just threw up.

  86. 86 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:05 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Sheer Insanity… Talking about stealing money

  87. 87 Tumtum said at 11:31 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    NFL coaching is the good ole boys circle 100%. Fisher is like the ring leader of the social club. Everyone loves him.

  88. 88 Mitchell said at 10:33 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    When it comes to your lawyer or your doctor, you want the guy from Harvard.” As a medical student not going to Harvard, I would counter that people who go to schools like that ride on a high horse and have a terrible bedside manner to the point where patients don’t trust them. The doctor is always right and the patient is always wrong. If the patient doesn’t trust their doctor then they may not give away vital information on diagnosis. Even if the diagnosis is correct then the physician may not be able to explain the treatment well to the patient, resulting in missed apt, meds, etc. Finally if everything is explained well and the physician is a pompous ass then the patient may end up seeing someone different or not taking the meds out of spite. Schools like Harvard may have the best reputation but they don’t ALWAYS produce the best doctors. Although, I do get the point of the statement. *Steps down off soapbox*

  89. 89 Greg Richards said at 10:38 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I don’t know if I want a lawyer from Harvard. I need a lawyer that doesn’t care if I’m guilty or not and is willing to lie, cheat, and pay off witnesses if necessary to get me acquitted. I don’t know that a stuffy academic from Harvard is up to it or not.

  90. 90 Insomniac said at 11:00 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    So you want a lawyer from Yale?

  91. 91 laeagle said at 11:20 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Better call Saul, then?

  92. 92 Rambo said at 11:20 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Lol..

  93. 93 anon said at 1:31 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    need a lawyer from penn!

  94. 94 TypicalDouche said at 7:55 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Johnny Cochran passed away.

  95. 95 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:01 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Ed snyder passed away

  96. 96 RobNE said at 9:39 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Better Call Saul

  97. 97 Tumtum said at 11:27 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Unfortunately I have to many family and close friends that have graduated from Baltimore Law. If I ever get in a pinch I’ll be forced to use one and boy will I be screwed.

  98. 98 Greg Richards said at 12:18 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    “Baltimore Law?” You’re fine. If they do things the way they do in Baltimore, any potential witness either won’t snitch in the first place or be made a non-threat either through intimidation or elimination.

  99. 99 A_T_G said at 2:04 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Baltimore law?

  100. 100 A_T_G said at 11:23 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I see the analogy you are making, but I am not sure I agree. In a scenario such as this, the team would need to consider the salary cap ramifications of using an out-of-network provider in their opportunity cost. Sure, they can hope to find a team that views the value chart through an HMO lens, but that is unrealistic.

  101. 101 Mac said at 12:21 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Wait, I thought we had a high deductible policy with an HSA…

  102. 102 A_T_G said at 2:09 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    HSA?! What are we, the Bears?

  103. 103 Mac said at 3:06 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I thought the Bears were on Medicare… haven’t seen a real spark of life in Chicago in years.

  104. 104 Tumtum said at 11:25 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    “He’s got gas Hollywood!”.

  105. 105 ChoTime said at 12:35 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    As opposed to doctors from other schools who are known to be humble.

  106. 106 P_P_K said at 1:50 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    A guy dies and goes to heaven. Everything is wonderful, of course, especially the food. At his first dinner there, everyone is peacefully waiting their turn when in walks a dude with a long beard in white robes. He dodges in front of everyone and grabs his own chow.

    The new heavenly guy asks an old-timer, “Who’s that?”

    With a shrug, he answers, “Oh, that’s God, thinks He’s a doctor.”

  107. 107 Insomniac said at 11:01 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    I’m terrified of the idea of taking Wentz. Too much risk for taking a guy that is just being overrated for his physical traits.

  108. 108 Jack Waggoner said at 11:23 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Yes, it’s a big roll of the dice.

  109. 109 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:05 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Even more terrified by the narrative that we love him so much that we will package three or four top 100 picks trading up to secure him…

  110. 110 Tumtum said at 11:10 PM on April 10th, 2016:

    Well. Someone has never seen Doc Hollywood.

  111. 111 anon said at 2:15 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    PFT’s Mike Florio reports the Rams are expected to move on from Nick Foles by the start of training camp and that he will “definitely” be gone before Week 1.

  112. 112 Insomniac said at 2:23 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Going to reunite with Andy unless Elway thinks Foles can be a stopgap.

  113. 113 Media Mike said at 5:08 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Foles to the Cards?

  114. 114 TypicalDouche said at 8:19 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    At this point could he beat out Barkley for #3 duties in Arizona?

  115. 115 ChoTime said at 12:34 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Some may remember that I played guitar for Foles, Deion Sanders, and others at a corporate event in Phoenix. At that event, my clueless percussionist told Foles he knew he would bring “us” the Superbowl. In other words, he had no idea that Foles was not the QB for the Cards. Well, maybe my percussionist was right, and Foles will eventually become the Cards’ QB and win the Superbowl for “us”.

  116. 116 Media Mike said at 6:03 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    That story remains epic.

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  118. 118 Media Mike said at 5:16 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Seeing as we’re looking for/at QBs

    Round 1 Pick 8: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 16: Chris Jones, DT/DE, Mississippi State (A)
    Round 4 Pick 2: Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Ronald Blair, DE, Appalachian State (A)
    Round 5 Pick 25: DeAndre Houston-Carson, FS, William & Mary (B+)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Dan Vitale, FB, Northwestern (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Aaron Green, RB, TCU (B-)

  119. 119 Media Mike said at 5:35 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    And here is one on fan speak using the CBS board. Didn’t go so well with QB.

    8: R1P8 OT RONNIE STANLEYNOTRE DAME

    77: R3P14 G CHRISTIAN WESTERMANARIZONA STATE

    79: R3P16 DT JAVON HARGRAVE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

    100: R4P2 G CONNOR MCGOVERN MISSOURI

    153: R5P14 OLB JATAVIS BROWN AKRON

    164: R5P25 RB KELVIN TAYLOR FLORIDA

    188: R6P13 OLB YANNICK NGAKOUE MARYLAND

    233: R7P12 S DERRICK KINDRED TCU

    251: R7P30 QB NATE SUDFELD INDIANA

  120. 120 Fufina said at 7:01 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Here is my fan speak draft using the Drafttek board

    8: R1P8 QB CARSON WENTZ
    77: R3P14 G JOSHUA GARNETT
    79: R3P16 OLB KAMALEI CORREA
    100: R4P2 RB KENNETH DIXON
    153: R5P14 DT SHELDON DAY
    164: R5P25 WR KENNY LAWLER
    188: R6P13 OT HALAPOULIVAATI VAITAI
    233: R7P12 ILB ANTONIO LONGINO
    251: R7P30 WR CODY CORE

  121. 121 Media Mike said at 6:03 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Solid guys.

  122. 122 BreakinAnklez said at 11:36 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    1. Vernon Hargreaves, CB Florida
    3. Jason Spriggs, OT Indiana
    3. Derrick Henry, RB Alabama
    4. Carl Nassib, DE PSU
    5. Adolphus Washington, DT OSU
    5. Vadal Alexander, G LSU
    6. Shawn Oakman, DE Baylor
    7. Brandon Doughty, QB WKU
    7. Michael Thomas, WR S. Miss

    Think it was Matt Millers

  123. 123 Media Mike said at 6:03 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Doughty is a guy Pat Kirwan seems to like as a later round QB prospect. Bucky Brooks likes him as well. I’ll be keeping an eye on him.

    I love Spriggs as well.

  124. 124 Insomniac said at 5:49 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    I really couldn’t talk myself into wanting Wentz as I was re-watching his breakdowns.

    Wentz has above-average arm talent. His arm isn’t quite on the level of a Flacco/Stafford but he’s down there somewhere between a Roethlisberger and Luck. What’s arm strength without touch and timing though? He has inconsistent touch on passes. Most of it might be because he’s not good at anticipating receivers and timing (could probably credit his bad deep ball accuracy on that too). He telegraphs his throws so much that it forces me to think that he’s only getting away with it due to his competition. Not to mention, I think he struggles adjusting and reading a defense while relying on his athleticism to get away with it. Coaches will have to put him in a spread offense to start him off or he’s going to be a pick machine. I wouldn’t bang the table for him but that’s a ton of work to do if you fall in love with a guy that will struggle adjusting to the speed of the NFL.

    To me, Wentz should be down there with the second rounders but being a weak QB class this year he’s being propelled up to the top since he’s arguably the shiniest turd. This is pretty much a EJ Manuel scenario to me as they have pretty similar pros and cons. If I had to predict Wentz’s career projection, it’ll probably be similar to Ryan Tannehill. So no thanks if you want him as a top 10 pick.

  125. 125 A_T_G said at 7:25 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    I watched that highlight tape and I don’t understand how he has risen above Goff in most mocks.

  126. 126 Anders said at 7:29 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Tools.

    NFL guys love guys with all the tools. Thats why the big armed QB even if he is terrible can stay in the NFL forever

  127. 127 Mac said at 9:39 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    You didn’t have to start out your comment by calling Insomniac and ATG “Tools,” but you did.

    It’s gritty… and I can respect that.

  128. 128 Insomniac said at 10:16 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Except for that guy Ryan Leaf.

  129. 129 SteveH said at 12:56 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I think it’s potential. Teams always seem to fall in love with potential. I have an unsubstantiated theory that most teams believe if they just get a guy into their program with their coaches, they can fix the flaws and get him playing to his ceiling so to speak. You see this with retreads that change teams too, it seems like every team believes they’re the ones who can make a guy realize his potential…

    Son, your potential is going to get me fired… Said a coach who was eventually fired.

  130. 130 Henly Rodriguez said at 12:50 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Very good points. I don’t think Wentz playing in a spread offense would be a good fit for him. The team that picks him will work with the tools he has, which is pro-style experience and the ability to make calls at the line.

    ..

    Where I stand with Wentz, I feel that when I watch him, as well as the competition he played against, he was easily the best player on the field. Game in and game out. I have a problem with that. I don’t like that he played against such weak competition, as it was evident because his skills were clearly overmatching his opponents (the guy was juking LBs for crying out loud). So, with that, I have a slight understanding as to why teams haven fallen in love with this guy. Sure, he has a strong arm, quick release and some athleticism, but the fact is that we don’t know what his performance is capable of against better players. He remains the biggest mystery in this draft.

    & to your point on Wentz being a 2nd round-type player, If Wentz were in last years class, he wouldn’t be top 10 prospect, so i agree with you there. That goes to show you how desperate teams and their scouts are in their QB evaluation. I would much prefer Goff. But with time on the bench and proper development, Wentz could pan out.

  131. 131 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:02 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Is He even a better prospect than Tannahill was? How about Derreck Carr? Many fans jump on board with the idea of trading up for whatever Top QB prospect or two that a draft provides.

    I can at least understand fans who would take Goff or Wentz if they fall to #8.. But trading 3 or 4 top 100 picks for a QB in this class makes my blood boil
    .

  132. 132 Insomniac said at 5:04 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Carr is better than Wentz coming out. Better arm talent and better on the mental side of being a QB. I’d put Wentz above Tannehill since Tannehill was even more raw than Wentz is coming out of college.

  133. 133 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:54 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    We are working out Paxton Lynch today, Dak Prescott tomorrow

  134. 134 Henly Rodriguez said at 12:39 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Busy week. Goff and Wentz on Wednesday

  135. 135 Fufina said at 12:58 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Not that they will be throwing, they come in do medicals and then can do interviews and board work with the coaches, no testing or drills unless they are a local kid.

    Think the Lynch one is the most important because there the rumor is he has some medical issues.

  136. 136 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:02 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Rip Ed Snyder… I guess this means the flyers are winning a stanley cup in the next 3 years?

  137. 137 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:55 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    What is more likely? Both Wentz and Goff end up going top 3 like adam Schefter thinks is possible, or is it more likely that these QBs are being a little overrated and both Fall out of the top 5?
    ..
    After Jack, Tunsil and Ramsey(as a Safety)… Who is the next player that provides the best odds of going on to become one of the elite players at his position?

  138. 138 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:25 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Drunk or delusional?
    .
    Tmz found Manziel outside of “the Nice guy Lounge(shocker lol)” in west Hollywood
    ..
    “Im living out here with my guy VON Miller”-Johnny Manziel
    .
    “Everybody knows VON Miller, Super Bowl MVP, VON Miller, My brother. Im living with him right now, we are getting our lives together”- lol Manziel
    .
    MIKE Klis: “talked to a source close to Von Miller. Manziel is NOT living with Von Miller. same city, not the same home”-LOL… Why he would lie about living with VON Miller I have no idea,,,,
    ..
    Tmz than asks johnny: “so you might go to the Broncos perhaps?”
    .
    johnny responds: “John Elway, great dude. Kubiak…Aggie, my Man! Great organization, anywhere I get picked up bro is a blessing. Whatever happens, I love ball. I want to play. That’s the team I want to go to”-Maziel
    .
    After insisting he wasn’t drunk, Manziel said: “I don’t think there is anything wrong with partying Bro. There is a difference between Partying and being out of control.”
    ..
    TMZ video quickily ended when someone came outside to escort Manziel back inside the lounge and away from the Camera..
    .
    Curtosy of CBSsports..

    oh Johnny, please don’t ever change,,,

  139. 139 Tumtum said at 2:49 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    In 5 years he is going to be living out of a van and throwing footballs over mountains.

  140. 140 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:58 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Dude, reading my post DOESNT even do it Justice,,, please go watch the TMZ video of this.
    ..
    These IMBECILES Johnny Manziel, and Josh Gordon are literally living together.. Is Josh Gordon insane? Is he actively trying Not To get reinstated?

  141. 141 Tumtum said at 3:22 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Just disgusted with Johnny NoBall. Actually really upset about Gordon. That guy has the type of talent to actually be the best to ever step foot on the field. He is actually throwing something away. Kind of doubt Gordon is also a trust-fund baby.

  142. 142 anon said at 4:23 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Gordon hasn’t gotten paid since being suspended, maybe he needed the $$?

  143. 143 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:39 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Yeah I’m pretty pissed that we are being robbed of seeing a special talent in Josh Gordon… With Calvin Johnson retired, Larry Fitzgerald on his way out, it really sucks to have this young elite Wr out on the streets, and he doesn’t even really break any serious laws or anytning, but can’t manage to get out of his own damn way enough to have a career, it’s a damn shame, he is hurting himself, the Browns, and all football fans.
    .
    i WOULDNT care about his Talent if he was out there killing like hernandez, putting lives in danger drinking and driving, beating his girl friend .. But to lose one of the most talented young players at his position because the idiot can’t stop getting caught having a drink or smoking a joint is just infuriating…. How anyone can łet a Joint come between being a millionaire baffles me

  144. 144 anon said at 4:47 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    he’s passed all his drug tests….

  145. 145 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:48 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Which makes this even stupider of him

  146. 146 Mark Sitko said at 9:32 AM on April 11th, 2016:

    Great point…you want the guy from Harvard. Exactly. This is why Wentz is NOT a top 10 QB, right?

  147. 147 Sean Stott said at 1:25 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    The doctor analogy hit me like a ton of bricks. For years I had an HMO at work that I loved, then they changed it to a PPO. Was a blessing in disguise because when my daughter needed surgery we were able to choose literally the best surgeon in the state, probably the country.

    Of course, it’s costing us almost 10,000 out of pocket.

  148. 148 Tumtum said at 1:31 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Best of luck.

  149. 149 Sean Stott said at 2:02 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Thank you!

  150. 150 scratcherk said at 1:39 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Best of luck!

    Unfortunately with doctors as with alot of things, sometimes resume isnt everything. I know plenty of terrible doctors from harvard. Also, sometimes the busiest doctors arent the best either. Harvard and other big name programs really emphasize research and you end up with a doctor that has no people skills or clinical acumen. Really hard to pick a good one. Best way in my opinion is to ask other doctors who’ve worked with them.

  151. 151 Sean Stott said at 1:43 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Yes, and I think it also depends on which doctors we’re talking about. I expect the attending pediatrician at the hospital to be extremely nice and warm, with a solid foundational knowledge, bedside manner, and experience.

    I want the specialist doctors to be open and down to earth, because they’re the ones who will really help you understand what’s going on specifically with the case.

    However, when it comes to the surgeon, I want the arrogant sociopath with the highest pedigree possible. These are usually the gruffest, curtest doctors you’ll encounter.

  152. 152 RobNE said at 4:09 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Like House.

    we had some experiences at MGH with some fancy doctors who were all highly skilled both in practicing and bedside manner. There are some really good ones out there.

  153. 153 P_P_K said at 1:42 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Hope your daughter is well.

  154. 154 Sean Stott said at 2:02 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Appreciate it! She is

  155. 155 P_P_K said at 2:18 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I’d trade all our draft picks for her bright future.

  156. 156 anon said at 1:46 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    PPO worth the money. Unfortunately, my wife works for an HMO so we get free healthcare, but it’s crappy.

  157. 157 Sean Stott said at 1:48 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    For the most part, and especially as a relatively healthy adult, I loved the HMO. You basically just show up and get decent care at little expense. But different scenario when you want to be able to choose specialists/surgeons.

  158. 158 A_T_G said at 1:59 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I hope for complete success and speedy recovery.

  159. 159 Sean Stott said at 2:02 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Thanks! She’s doing great now. Medicine in 2016 is amazing.

  160. 160 scratcherk said at 2:01 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Off topic but we recently joined a health sharing ministry. We were sick of paying ridiculous premiums for these high deductible plans that dont pay anything if you need them just once or twice a year. Been happy with it so far.

  161. 161 ICDogg said at 2:38 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I’ve had a PPO for years but I’ve always managed to use it as just in-network. But it’s nice to know there is an option to go out-of-network if we need to do so.

    An aside: as a child I was operated on by one of the most respected surgeons in the world who eventually became even more prominent as the Surgeon General of the United States, C. Everett Koop, at Children’s Hospital in Philadelphia.

    The operation was not a success.

  162. 162 scratcherk said at 3:15 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Where I did my surgery training, you did not want to be operated on by the chairman of the department. The researchers/politicians of the department are not the best clinicians.

  163. 163 laeagle said at 4:05 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Blame it on that beard.

  164. 164 anon said at 1:35 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    A former NFL executive told ESPN’s David Fleming new Browns coach Hue Jackson is “a very bad fit” with the analytics approach of the new front office.

    “It’s not just Hue Jackson,” the same source says. “When data overrides gut, the majority of his coaching staff will all be there screaming, ‘What the [expletive] are these computer guys doing? They don’t understand football, they don’t understand the locker room. They’re killing us.'” It is an interesting take on a unique situation, but it is important to remember Jackson had many other opportunities this offseason and knew about the front office’s focus on analytics
    before he accepted the job. Perhaps he will push back against some of the decisions made by EVP of football operations Sashi Brown or chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta, but that kind of back and forth happens in every front office in the league. There has not been any indication Jackson is anything but on board with the new regime’s approach.

  165. 165 anon said at 1:36 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Good personnel can’t save a team from a bad owner. Haslam wanted to go money ball he should have gotten a coach that was on board. At the same time as a coach i’d be real annoyed if the team let all my good players walk.

  166. 166 Tumtum said at 1:55 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    What if you were the coach and you got rid of “all the good (black) players.”

    Sounds like Chip would be the coach made in heaven for the Factory of Sadness.

  167. 167 anon said at 1:59 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    When i first read this I was sort of wondering if this is how it was for Chip / Howie, but i think chip was pretty data driven or at least he liked to collect a lot of data.

  168. 168 ChoTime said at 2:05 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Maybe in some respects, but not in others. Bradford, for example, is a bad QB by most analytical measures, yet he went for him. Almost any stat-based approach decries running, yet Chip broke the bank on RBs.

  169. 169 Media Mike said at 6:01 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Brown and DePodesta are a joke. Hue should slap them both.

  170. 170 b3nz0z said at 2:08 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    i know these are played out but not too shabby on the tradeback:

    Round 1 Pick 11 (CHI): Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (A+)

    Round 2 Pick 10 (CHI): Emmanuel Ogbah, DE/OLB, Oklahoma State (A)

    Round 3 Pick 14: Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (A+)

    Round 3 Pick 16: Kenneth Dixon, RB, Louisiana Tech (A+)

    Round 4 Pick 2: Maliek Collins, DT, Nebraska (A-)

    Round 5 Pick 14: Charone Peake, WR, Clemson (B+)

    Round 5 Pick 25: Glenn Gronkowski, FB, Kansas State (A+)

    Round 6 Pick 13: Justin Simmons, FS, Boston College (B+)

    Round 7 Pick 12: Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 30: Juston Burris, CB, NC State (B+)

  171. 171 TypicalDouche said at 2:23 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    That’s a good one. Love the Kenneth Dixon pick, I really hope he’s available in the 3rd.

  172. 172 Media Mike said at 6:00 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    You and me both.

  173. 173 TypicalDouche said at 6:09 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I know this is a highlighjt film so all the runs are good but the run at the 1:16 mark is by far my favorite in this reel. What I thought we might have seen out of Murray last year.

    https://youtu.be/FU29Y0Rc70I

  174. 174 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:56 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    It would be a dream come true after the offseason we had to add 5 top 100 picks all on the DL and OL/Run game….
    ..
    We are already the strongest in our division in terms of Combo of OL and DL… Objectively our Rivals would have to admit that we are the strongest team in the Trenches… We probably have the #2 OL(Cowboys #1), and the #1’DL(Cowboys weakest DL in the division)… We already have an advantage in the trenches over our rivals. Add an infusion of OL/DL Talemt in the draft along with a RB would be huge for us, enabling us to straight bully our rivals
    ..
    Most of the media lists us last in our division, which I find to be laughable… We are the strongest team in the Trenches, and we easily have the best secondary in our Division… That’s a fantastic position for us to be in, especially when if all 4 teams are at full strength, we probably also have the best LB corp in the division.
    ..
    Where we really need to catch up to our Rivals is we need to add weapons on offense, Actually, in terms of depth at WR, RB, TE, we are in a decent position compared to our Rivals. but where we Need to catch up to our Rivals is in terms of those special Gamebreaking weapons….because we lack elite weapons probably adds to why im more open minded about drafting a RB like Zeke than I have been in the past 15 drafts. If we can add an elite weapon, all our other weapons would start to look so much better in supporting roles.
    ..
    Hopefully Jordan, Nelson or ERTZ explode and reach new heights so we no longer have to worry about this…. But when you lack a top tier weapon, I hope we do our due Dillegence and give some strong consideration to adding the best weapon in the draft

  175. 175 b3nz0z said at 3:13 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    those gamebreakers are great and i hope ertz and jordan can blow up this year. but i’m a huge follower of just reloading the tranches every time you can. especially when the value lines up like it did here. not to bite from the dallas playbook, but kenneth dixon + a recharged o-line might outperform zeke + our current o-line. either way, we gotta keep our qb clean and limit shootouts.

  176. 176 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:37 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Im not familiar with Dixon but I heard good things.
    ..
    Im with you man, we can never go wrong adding more talent to the Trenches… A good rule that some teams talk about is that you should always have at least two starting Caliber OL on your bench. two Backups who may take over starting positions in the Future…. Think Andrew Gardner and Barbie were the best Guards we had last year, but Both are up there in age so can’t be considered potential starters down the road… Think it’s safe to assume that at best, dennis Kelly and Tobin can be solid backups, but I guess there is probably some small chance of being late bloomers (foolish of us to count on that).. No clue what we have in BUNCHE and Josh Andrews..so while I think on paper we could have a good OL in place for this year with some Decent depth, it would NOT be a waste to add future starters at LG and RT who can sit the bench for a year or two, and eventually become long term starters when it’s time to replace Peters and Wisnewski… So not only is it always a good idea to add to the trenches, we actually do Need to start looking for future starters at G and T, so drafting OL early WOULDNT be a waste by any means..
    .
    DL is one of your more rotated positions and when all you have on your bench at DT is Beau Allen, Taylor Hart, Raciti, clearly we have lots of work to do building our DT rotation up… So drafting T, G or DL early would be a very useful investment

  177. 177 b3nz0z said at 3:51 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    if gardner is any good i’ll feel much better about the oline. the d-line, like you mentioned, is top heavy. we have one complete end off the bench (be it barwin graham or curry) and one question mark (marcus, although i’m optimistic this scheme will help him), and then we really don’t have anything proven behind our stud DTs. it seems like this draft lines up nicely with that philosophy – there’s DTs and Gs in like every round. i don’t know much about dixon but i’ve heard he’s promising

  178. 178 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:06 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Yeah sounds like a great draft to build up our DL with stud Backups we can control on rookie contracts for the Next 4 years… If one ends up becoming a Star, by the time his rookie contract expires and we have to Pay him, we will be able to Cut Bennie Logan like 3 years into the new extension he will get.
    ..
    If schwartz can really take Vinny Curry to that next level, and even get MS2 to come close to realizing his potential we could have a scary DE rotation to compensate for not having a 16 sack edge rusher.
    ..
    We NEED 4 DEs and 4 DTS who can rotate and contribute in each game. but since we can’t just assume 4 DTS and 4 DEs will stay healthy all year, we are going to have to Carry 5 DT’s and 5 DE’s, so we do have room for a DE if one ends up being at the top of our draft Board when we pick
    ..
    Our Backüp DT’s are so weak that I wouldn’t be mad if we traded back a few spots in round 1, get a 2nd round pick and draft a DT like Rankins as early as round 1…. A 3rd top level DT talent to rotate with Cox and Bennie would make us NASTY. No type of pass rush bothers a QB more than that rush up the middle… With a quality DT and DE added in the draft, we could be in position to dominate games with two waves of Nasty DL that schwartz will have exploding up field every play

  179. 179 Media Mike said at 6:00 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    They’re not played out until the real draft happens. They’re a great way to have all of us discuss prospects and value, etc.

    I like what you did here.

  180. 180 meteorologist said at 7:23 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I hate the trade backs. This isn’t legit. You got a second round pick for moving from pick 8 to pick 11? Really?

  181. 181 b3nz0z said at 4:51 PM on April 12th, 2016:

    i dont make the sim dawg i just ace the sim

  182. 182 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:34 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    O-M-G!!!!!!
    ..
    I don’t know what is funnier, the new TMZ video where Manziel is smashed talking to the Camera, or the Scary thought that Josh Gordon and Johnny Manziel are living together right now?
    ..
    Wow, was Johnny so high/Drunk that he confused living with Josh Gordon for Living with VON Miller? WOW he was really so screwed up that he confused Josh Gordon with VON Miller multiple times… NOW IT MAKES SENSE. I was baffled when he said him and VON Miller were living together and “Trying to get their Lives together”, since VON Miller is reigning Super Bowl champ, on dancing with the starters, sitting on top of the world…
    . But Johnny Manizel and Josh Gordon trying to get their lives together makes sense (kind of)..
    ..
    This kid needs to be locked away in rehab. Someone who doesn’t have a job in the NFL, going on Camera, giving an interview with TMZ while visibly High/drunk, probably both, is too screwed up beyond repair…. Rehab is HIS ONLY HOPE, yet he is out partying in west Hollywood, 5 or 6 times a week according to him.
    ,,
    This video was the nail in his coffin, he won’t even get another chance in the NFL until he does Months and Months of rehab. And even then he may not get another chance,
    ,,
    Does this kid have any real friends? No real friend would keep partying with this dope considering what it’s costing him, No real friend would ever let him go on camera so messed up like that…. This would be hard for a great QB to get away with in this day and age, but for Manziel who doesn’t even have the talent to play pro football, you have to be a real Junie/alcoholic to allow substance abuse to completely kill any chance you had at a career…
    ..
    When I read what happened, I thought it was funny…. But seeing him so messed up on Video like that is no Laughing matter…. This kid is Sad, and if someone doesn’t get thru to him, he is going to die Young. hopefully someone gets thru to the young man and gets him the help he needs. His career is beyond repair, now it’s about saving this kids life… Sad, sad, sad…

  183. 183 Tumtum said at 3:05 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    No remorse for this idiot.

  184. 184 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:57 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    You will love the TMZ video. TRAINWRECK of epic proportions

  185. 185 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:36 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    And Jesus christ WTF is wrong with Josh Gordon? He is trying to get re-instated, so he decides to live with Johnny Manziel of all people? Is he like legally retarded?
    ..
    Josh Gordon sat out for so long. Does his time, he is finally eligible for reinstatement, and he decides to move in with friggin Johnny Manziel of all people? Like really?
    ..
    Is this an elaborate April fools joke?
    ..
    Im blown away,,, so much for The ultra talented Josh Gordon,…

  186. 186 anon said at 2:38 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    So stupid, had heard that NFL said that Gordon wasn’t dedicated enough to sobriety, i didn’t know what that meant at first but…

  187. 187 TypicalDouche said at 3:55 PM on April 11th, 2016:

  188. 188 Tdoteaglefan said at 4:04 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I have a feeling that this is the premise of their future reality show. Two Young former NFL superstars losing their careers and embarking on different career paths with some “real world” style drunken binges every once in awhile threatening to take them off of the path.

    I really was hoping Josh Gordon would get it together and live up to his potential playing football. but maybe it just isn’t his passion,I saw a documentary with him a while back exploring the Art Basel festival in Miami and he seemed really into the scene and genuinely seems to be an artist at heart…now quite a bit of artists I know happen to use certain “substances” to enhance their creativity and open up their mind..i’m thinking there’s a chance he might fail another test sometime in the future…hoping he doesn’t but if it happens, I won’t be surprised.

  189. 189 anon said at 4:08 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    maybe we’re looking at it the wrong way, maybe Gordon was trying to provide sober living for Johny?

  190. 190 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:47 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Lol I hope he tries to use that as his excuse to Roger Goodell

  191. 191 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:11 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Might as well go the reality show route because this will cost Josh his career… I would have loved to take a flier on Josh Gordon’s talent, but this makes that pointless. I would have thought after the price he has paid being away from the league for like two years, that Josh Gordon would have had to have learned his lesson, but that clearly is not true. Trying to be reinstated he should run as far away from Johnny as possible, yet the genius is living with him.. That’s just bonkers… It’s not like Josh Gordon signed some super extension, he has only paid on a rookie contract, and he hasn’t worked in like two years, if anything, I would think that he is probably running out of money and that would motivate him at least to pretend to have learned his lesson long enough to make some money….this is like the most unbelievable story. If this came out on April first, I would never believe this..

  192. 192 GermanEagle said at 2:51 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    And they say ‘Cox don’t have a brain’ for a reason…

    If it’s true he turned down $60m.

  193. 193 solid said at 2:52 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Blame Todd France.

  194. 194 GermanEagle said at 2:52 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Blame both.

  195. 195 Dave said at 3:13 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Suh got $59,955,000 guaranteed. I guess France thought getting a little more than Suh wasn’t good enough.

  196. 196 TypicalDouche said at 3:27 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    The agent is in Cox’s ear feeding him 10 lbs of bullshit and looking to remake the defensive line pay scale. Cox needs to step and tell his agent to get a deal done because regardless of what his agent is telling him, the Eagles can control him for the next 3 years via last year of his rookie deal and franchising him.

  197. 197 anon said at 3:38 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Wouldn’t allow my player to sign a deal this year. His stats are going to be stupid playing for Jimmy Schwartz and that Suh deal will be even older, that cap will be even higher.

  198. 198 GermanEagle said at 5:10 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    And though he will be only one ACL tear away from losing a fortune of money.

    Cox doesn’t have any leverage, as he’s practically under contract for the next 3 years.

  199. 199 Media Mike said at 5:58 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Was it a real guarantee; like you’re putting a check for $60 mil into my bank account right now or is it “injury guarantees” and spread out over a few years?

  200. 200 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:10 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Peter King reports that the niners are trying to trade Safety Antoine Bathea and RT Anthony Davis who claims he will eventually apply for reinstatement.
    .
    safeties and secondaries in our Division are a Joke! I hope the niners don’t bail out the Giants or skins by trading them Bathea who even at his age is probably light years ahead of their current safeties… And I would hate to see the Niners bail out the pathetic Giants OL sending them Anthony Davis.
    .
    It’s no secret that chip has little tolerance for players that aren’t fully committed and don’t live for this game. I already wondered how Chip would view one of the top RT’s who retired so young, now you really have to wonder how chip will view him after he made it seem that he is going to wait to apply for reinstatement so that he can miss some of the offseason training sessions/mini camps. There are also questions about him having a fractured relationship with their GM Baalke… Be pretty surprising to see Chip tolerate someone Like him on his roster, even if he was one of the top RT’s in the game
    ..
    Hopefully Chip DOESNT send Bathea to help one of our rivals upgrade their pathetic secondaries, and I really don’t want to See Chip send Davis to help the Giants pathetic OL..
    ..Speaking of OL, what in the world are the seahawks doing with their OL? They have like 6mil tied up in their OL which is less than every other team. Let Okung walk even tho he didn’t sigń an expensive mega contract, apparently they didn’t try and trade for Clady.. Russell Wilson is going to be running for his life this year…Aaron Donald and the Rams DL will be licking their chops to face Seattle,,,, Seatle also has to face Chandler Jones twice a year now…. Weird to see a contender gambling with a season by investing so little in a critical position such as OL

  201. 201 anon said at 3:15 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Baalke is screwed if he can’t get some of those guys back, though not sure why you’d want to come play for chip, doesn’t seem fun, especially if you’re a big guy worried about injuries. Be interesting to see how chip builds a team from scratch.

  202. 202 Media Mike said at 5:57 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    If it makes you feel any better, the Giants will overpay and still suck on O line and D.

  203. 203 Mr. Toledo said at 3:12 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    A little off topic here but I’d love a read on some potential 3rd and 4th Rd picks. With the early pick in the first and no second round pick…my draft knowledge really drops off after the top 20 or so picks. Thanks for the great reads Tommy!

  204. 204 Media Mike said at 5:56 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    If you look at some of the web sites that have draft boards and/or positional rankings it can be helpful. Also 7 round mocks can put you onto some players

  205. 205 Dave said at 4:05 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/719614420289241089

  206. 206 RobNE said at 4:08 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    or could be just their homework.

  207. 207 Fufina said at 4:27 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I think the Eagles are definitely interested in QBs this draft. What their answers are i have no idea. They could love 1,2,3 or non of the top QB’s, and will probably have interest in QB’s through out the draft.

  208. 208 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:30 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    My money is on a QB in rounds 4-6 of this draft..
    ..
    But I Think it’s a lock that we draft a #3 QB at some Point in this draft. The only quesions are who, and in what round

  209. 209 Dave said at 5:19 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I would generally agree with that. I find it hard to believe the Eagles would give up an additional future 1st and/or 2nd round pick to move up for any QB in this draft.

  210. 210 A_T_G said at 6:42 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    If those are the only questions, why do you continue to comment furiously about not taking a first round QB?

  211. 211 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:53 AM on April 12th, 2016:

    Gotta be better than your worthless jokes, but to each his own. I don’t bother you for being a lame… Keep sweating me, it’s flattering

  212. 212 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:28 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    If we don’t thoroughly evaluate all the QBs each year, I would seriously question our front office,,..the Eagles have to evaluate at least the top 6 Qbs in every Draft regardless of what they really think about them or what our current QB situation looks like … Which is why I find it so ridiculuos when media tries to read into each visit.
    ..
    The Cowboys have been Adament about them not drafting a QB in round 1 all offseason, yet they visited with and worked out all the top QBs that we are evaluating.
    ..
    Unfortunately visiting with a prospect really doesn’t tell us anything, it shouldn’t be assumed that we will Love every player we visit with. Not every visit will go well, not every medical will check out to our liking,,we will drive ourselves crazy trying to read into each visit especially when it comes to QBs,, by the nature of how Important the QB position is, we will meet with all the top Qbs every year.
    .,
    A year from now the Eagles will be in the middle of meeting wifh and working out at least the top 6 QBs in next years draft, regardless of whether or not we need a QB

  213. 213 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:10 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I don’t believe that the Eagles will invest a top 10 pick in a QB or spend multiple top 100 picks trading up to get a QB until they use this year to really make their decision on Bradfords future. while this won’t be a fun sexy idea, it may be wise to try and convert a pick or two from this draft to Next years draft as insurance in Case Bradford DOESNT earn a LongTerm extension which will then put us in position to where we will have to start considering trade packages to go get a QB…. Trying to trade up for a QB when you don’t have a second round pick like This year is rough…. Maybe a good idea to try to trade one of our 5th round picks, for a 4th round pick in Next years draft.
    ..
    If Roseman can trade back from #8 And get a second round pick, it would be wise of him to then look to try and trade one of our 3rd round picks for a second round pick in next years draft.

    That way if Bradford DOESNT earn an extension after this year… We would not only have our second round pick next year, it would be great if Roseman can trade some of our extra picks in this draft to add another pick or two in next years draft, Ideally trade a 3rd and a 5th now, for a second and a fourth in next years draft which would give us, a 1st, two seconds, a third, two 4ths and a 5ths… Which puts us in a decent position to have firepower to move up for a QB in next years draft, and hopefully by then we will already have a strong roster in place around a youmg QB, but to accomplish that, Roseman needs to have a big drafts this year

  214. 214 wee2424 said at 9:56 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    While i dont see the Birds making a high cost trade up to get a QB, i absolutly see them drafting Wentz or Goff if they fall to 8. Im not by any extent overly high on the QBs in this draft, but the QBs in next years draft aeem to be even weaker for the most part.

  215. 215 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:52 AM on April 12th, 2016:

    a year ago no one even knew Wentz name. By next year there will be other QB prospects for peiple to overrate

  216. 216 Dave said at 5:16 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    This rings true.

    https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/719633344841973760

  217. 217 RC5000 said at 5:34 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Old cliche. He just wants to remind people he’s connected to decision makers.

  218. 218 b3nz0z said at 5:47 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    since it’s allbright i was expecting “all the decision makers i talk to stress BPA . . . or don’t”

  219. 219 Dave said at 5:48 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I don’t get it, why would he have to remind people? Those that follow him know he is connected, that’s why he has followers.

  220. 220 RC5000 said at 5:57 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I’m not surprised you don’t get it.

  221. 221 Dave said at 6:01 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I get it. He made Mr. Stick Figure look like a clown last week and you and the rest of his butthurt followers don’t like Allbright now.

  222. 222 RC5000 said at 6:31 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    No nice try . I’m not a big Kempski guy at all. I thought their catfight was tragic and funny.

  223. 223 Sean Stott said at 7:43 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    yes

  224. 224 TypicalDouche said at 5:58 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Regardless of what decision makers he has spoken to, I believe he is incorrect to an extent in this statement. He is not factoring in how teams also use BPA for scheme fits and value. I am no exec. but to think teams strictly use BPA only at positions of need seems wrong. The Patriots and Packers haven’t had a needs for a QB since some guys named Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers took over yet they still draft QBs. A couple of years ago KC drafted Dee Ford when they had Houston and Hali coming off pro bowl campaigns. I agree BPA tends to lean towards position of need but not entirely.

  225. 225 anon said at 6:17 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    must not talk to very good gms.

  226. 226 Dave said at 6:22 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I would agree with you on that. I take it to mean that in any given round, teams do not necessarily take the BPA when 4 or 5 guys may have similar grades when the pick is up. That’s when the need kicks in.

  227. 227 wee2424 said at 9:52 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Simply sometimes it just doesnt make sense to go BPA all of the time.

  228. 228 BreakinAnklez said at 8:23 AM on April 12th, 2016:

    Which leads to players like Jarrett

  229. 229 b3nz0z said at 5:19 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    hahaha guess that’s a career then http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632081-johnny-manziel-reportedly-living-with-josh-gordon-not-von-miller

  230. 230 anon said at 5:23 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Not even drew rosenhaus can save him from himself.

  231. 231 Joe Minx said at 5:53 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    lol wut

  232. 232 Media Mike said at 5:55 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Reality TV!

  233. 233 johhnyblaze said at 6:22 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Josh Gordon failed nfl administered drug test in March

  234. 234 anon said at 6:26 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    damn, he’s done. I mean i know it’s hard not to party for basically two years, but he’s so close to $.

  235. 235 TypicalDouche said at 6:33 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    My thoughts exactly.

  236. 236 Insomniac said at 7:37 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    What a damn shame too.

  237. 237 TypicalDouche said at 7:46 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Agreed friend.

  238. 238 Sean Stott said at 7:43 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    is this new information? when will he be allowed to play with this in consideration?

  239. 239 anon said at 7:45 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    basically never tested for pot and dilute – under the limit but treated as a fail

  240. 240 The original AG said at 6:50 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    https://twitter.com/fcoxx_91/status/719658728543268865

  241. 241 A_T_G said at 6:54 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    That one might require a little context. Is he saying the $60M gaurenteed report is false? Responding to the Manzeil/Gordon bunking? Enjoying a Seth Meyers/Tina Fey skit?

  242. 242 GermanEagle said at 7:35 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    I think he was referring to my Cox don’t have a brain comment on igglesblitz earlier.

  243. 243 The original AG said at 7:44 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Not sure, but the timing is peculiar.

  244. 244 Greg Richards said at 8:36 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    He’s probably thinking that the Eagles would have leaked the he didn’t accept $60M guaranteed thing(if it’s true).

  245. 245 A_T_G said at 7:06 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Von Miller’s Instagram.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEu12wm0El/

  246. 246 Bob Brewer said at 7:23 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Tommy may give up the Eagles forever, he now has a 6-0 baseball team to root for.

  247. 247 TypicalDouche said at 7:29 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Tommy is an Orioles fan?

  248. 248 Bob Brewer said at 7:46 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Yup

  249. 249 TypicalDouche said at 7:46 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Oh ok cool.

  250. 250 James said at 9:09 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    J Gordon fails ANOTHER drug test!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH Fucking idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  251. 251 wee2424 said at 9:49 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Its a shame really.

  252. 252 Aaron said at 10:17 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    you stink

  253. 253 Rambo said at 7:11 AM on April 12th, 2016:

    He must really like selling cars. What a waste of talent.

  254. 254 Greg Richards said at 10:59 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Supposedly the Titans may like Stanley more than Tunsil(per PFT).

  255. 255 wee2424 said at 11:09 PM on April 11th, 2016:

    Just dont see how thats true. Tunsil is undistutably better in ever category.

  256. 256 Mitchell said at 12:00 AM on April 12th, 2016:

    Stanley’s pass blocking is better as of right now. Tunsil probably has more long term potential IMO but immediately better run blocking.

  257. 257 wee2424 said at 8:48 PM on April 12th, 2016:

    I dont think the gap is that big as far as pass blocking, and even so like you said I think Tunsil has far more potential in just about every category.

    Stanley really worries me after hearing the latest reports on his alleged weak work ethic and really bad upper body strength. 18 reps? That is not good for an OT, esspecially one that you want to draft in the first. Can he get stronger? Obviously yes, but will his alleged weak work effort hinder that amongst other aspects of his game?

    He just sounds like a player that has a very high bust chance with really not a high enough ceiling.

    In my opinion Tunsil is by far a step or so above.