More Reasons to Like Carson Wentz

Posted: May 12th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 148 Comments »

QB is the most important position in pro sports, which makes it so crucial to have a good one. The Eagles spent the second overall pick on Carson Wentz because they think he can be a star and the key to the franchise for the next decade or so.

Robert Klemko wrote a great piece on the background of QBs and their families. Wentz was part of the story.

In North Dakota, they don’t share Ginn’s optimistic appraisal of high schoolers. In 2011, the year Carson Wentz graduated from Century High School in Bismark, there were two Division I recruits in the entire state, making it a boom year. The offensive lineman from Fargo signed with Missouri, and the defensive end from Wahpeton signed with Toledo. Wentz, who was drafted No. 2 overall by the Eagles, didn’t have a Division I offer.

Wentz had been groomed to be Century High’s quarterback since he was in the fifth grade: his throwing ability, leadership and football cognition made him a standout. “He always had that workman mentality that he wanted to get better every day of every practice,” says Nick Walker, former Dickinson State quarterback and Carson’s QB coach in high school. “The other thing is his intelligence was off the charts in terms of what you could give him. He was so smart, but his work ethic and leadership set him apart.”

Wentz’s model? His father was an all-conference linebacker at Northern State University in Aberdeen, South Dakota. Still, playing high school ball in North Dakota presented mountainous challenges. Hopping in a car for a tour of college camps was unrealistic, and there was no access to offseason football, but the biggest hindrance was a shoulder injury that Wentz suffered as a varsity baseball pitcher that prevented him from playing quarterback during his junior season. He played wide receiver and defensive back until finally getting the opportunity to start under center full-time as a senior. He capitalized, earning North Dakota 3A Player of the Year honors in 2010. He landed at North Dakota State and started winning national championships, passing for 5,115 yards in his season-and-a-half as the starter (he broke his wrist six games into his senior season).

For Carson Wentz, there was no offseason football in his formative years. No camps. No powerhouse high school program or influence-wielding coach. He didn’t have multiple college offers, which gives the quarterback an opportunity to pick the offense best suited to his skills and ambitions. It shouldn’t have worked out for Wentz, but it did. He refused to let his circumstances dictate what was possible, and his prodigious arm led the way.

“It was very clear to us, even at a young age, that he could make every throw we could ask him to make,” Walker says. “And that’s something that has carried him. He’s a leader, of course, and he can put the football wherever he wants.”

That piece has some really interesting info. Make sure you go read the whole thing.


Some of you are numbers guys (and girls). I am not.

When you get into serious statistical discussions, I look on with no real sense of what is being presented. I had a similar feeling while reading this RotoViz story on rookie QBs and their likelihood to succeed. They used a variety of factors to figure out who is most likely to pan out.

Carson Wentz just barely beat out Jared Goff on this list.

Obviously it doesn’t mean anything, but it makes for some interesting reading. And you always like it when some study says your highly drafted QB isn’t going to totally suck.


148 Comments on “More Reasons to Like Carson Wentz”

  1. 1 anon said at 12:47 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    I can’t square this: “Seahawks receiver Ricardo Lockette had said that he plans to play again after a serious neck injury suffered last season. But Lockette is
    now retiring. He’s retiring because, as reported by Ed Werder of ESPN, Lockette can’t rotate his head in the aftermath of the neck injury.”

    With this: Steelers GM on antonio brown (and this is on a team without Bryan this year) “He does have two years left and we expect that to be honored without
    any issue,” Colbert said, after declining to address whether further adjustments will be made, citing the team’s habit of not publicly discussing player contracts. “Again, Antonio’s a unique player. We understand that and he understands our policies. I don’t ever see that changing as long as we still have the mindset that it’s been good for the organization. Again we understand that he’s a special player and we’re glad we have him for two more years anyway.”

  2. 2 CrackSammich said at 11:31 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Stories like the one about Lockette are the reason I will never begrudge a player like Bradford trying to grab as much cash as possible. The other players know this too, and I can’t imagine they care either.

  3. 3 Sean Stott said at 1:25 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    No one had an issue with Bradford trying to get cash. They had an issue with him not wanting to compete.

  4. 4 CrackSammich said at 3:44 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    It would be better for his long-term financial future to go on a long playoff run with the Broncos defense than it would be to play 12 games here before the higher ups force Wentz into action. Sanchez has turned the same situation into a very long career of doing nothing.

  5. 5 A_T_G said at 4:20 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    The same situation as which one? Sanchez has 4 career playoff wins. The same situation as Bradford now finds himself? That seems contradictory to your point.

  6. 6 CrackSammich said at 4:41 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Sanchez has 4 playoffs wins because the team around him was strong. Bradford wanted the same situation in Denver.

  7. 7 A_T_G said at 9:26 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Ah, I see. I guess 4 career wins sounds more impressive when compared to zero.

  8. 8 CrackSammich said at 10:35 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Yeah, it definitely *sounds* better, but the team played better with the guy that had won zero last year when both were on the roster.

  9. 9 Howie Littlefinger said at 4:21 AM on May 13th, 2016:

    Did u not read the article above about Wentz NOT letting the circumstances dictate the results…

    Bradford played the pussy bitch card and no matter what will be viewed rightly as such. The best way to get “even” if he felt betrayed was to shut up and force the rook to stay on the bench by playing well. Bradford probably realizes what he is at this point tho/

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  11. 11 James said at 1:08 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    The Rotoviz story should have included the team that drafted the player into part of their analysis. Anyone drafted by the Browns should have a severe handicap.

  12. 12 big Jes not here for grammar said at 3:00 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Let me begin by saying first of you mr.Sheridan were a hack asset with a axe Rio burn with Howie the pencil pusher as you referred to him in the past, but since God’s return from exile, the chosen one Sir Howie had been at the pinnacle of his game. Always known for his greatly team friendly contracts only built o.k. that success by releasing the team from contention barring contact’s of sub past players Maxwell and Murray trades no one thought were possible. Trades that also made the trade up to the 2nd pick possible, and not for a kings ransom as you and others have claimed it to be actually we gave up a 3rd in this draft swapped a 4th this year’s for next and a second 3 yrs from now.he had re signed the right thing players to lock up , extending to the legit veteran player to show good will to those who carry the line and signed under the radar free agents that are just what this team needs. In the draft be did what needed to be done on taking a chance on a true possible franchise QB in this situation that the team was high enough in the draft to do do a position all of us hour not to be in again for the foreseeable future. Now he has been man enough to admit his own weakness or area that is our had been sighted a his shirt coming in talent evaluation and hired two of the most heralded that are available. The only thing I can fault Howie for since his return is two much money tied up in QB position in ,Bradford and Chase I can understand Bradford signing inn a you can’t know you would get the 2nd pick to draft Wentz and Bradford was best available and I am pro Bradford more then most and I even get Chase inn that he knows Doug’s offence but feel his money was way too high .other then that I fell Mr. Roseman has come back smelling of roses

  13. 13 James said at 3:04 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    I was going to torch you for your poor use of the English language, until I read your username.

    It must have been difficult to write something so difficult to read.

  14. 14 Dude said at 3:39 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Yeah, I mean English isn’t so hard. He could try a little.

  15. 15 peteike said at 1:32 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    put that energy he has for his football fandom into other areas maybe?

  16. 16 Bert's Bells said at 4:57 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    I feel like I should send my bank info to help his family with their inheritance in Nigeria.

  17. 17 ChoTime said at 9:47 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Dude. I was thinking the same thing. I just got another scam attempt in my email today–I am 99% sure. This new breed is more sophisticated, they customize things for the area, couch it as trying to hire me, want to prepay, etc. I found out for sure last time when I googled the phone number he gave me.

  18. 18 Cafone said at 10:12 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    sounds legit. send them a check.

  19. 19 Cafone said at 10:07 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    I think he puts it through a “write like an idiot” filter. They also have filters that can transform your writing to sound like Snoop Dog.

  20. 20 A_T_G said at 9:48 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Are the results of the two filters distinguishable from one another?

  21. 21 Cafone said at 10:11 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    A tip: you can get away with ignoring basic rules of grammar, but only if you keep it short. That shit is too long man.

  22. 22 Buge Halls said at 10:40 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Completely unreadable. Please learn how to express yourself intelligently before posting again!

  23. 23 Aaron said at 11:04 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    close that hole in your craggly face, kramer

  24. 24 Forthebirds said at 11:19 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    You may not be here for the grammar, but you need to go somewhere for it. Please!

  25. 25 Sean Stott said at 1:21 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    GEagle – The elementary school years

  26. 26 Bacon & Iggles said at 1:39 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    No offense, but I literally could not decipher this. And not for lack of trying, either. Was I supposed to be using an Enigma machine?? lol

  27. 27 big Jes not here for grammar said at 12:58 AM on May 15th, 2016:

    4 hrs off vodka rant sorry

  28. 28 Bacon & Iggles said at 1:10 AM on May 16th, 2016:

    NP man. That actually makes it kind of cool somehow, actually. lol

  29. 29 A_T_G said at 4:09 PM on May 12th, 2016:


    (Furtively glances from side to side to see if people believe I understood.)

  30. 30 laeagle said at 5:08 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    This is next level trolling.

  31. 31 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 6:58 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    copying this onto every eagles website, eh?

    just start your own blog that no one wants to read

  32. 32 big Jes not here for grammar said at 3:20 AM on May 14th, 2016:

    I was. On a 4 hr vodka drink sorry for the rant

  33. 33 Dude said at 3:45 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Another fluff piece about Wentz. I love them all, but of course, we need to see him lead a NFL touchdown drive. Until that happens we’re all just grasping at Bradfords… I mean straws, I said straws.

  34. 34 SteveH said at 4:09 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    I kind of feel like Bradford is grasping at our… straws, actually.

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 4:59 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    “Some of you are numbers guys (and girls). I am not.”

    Goose Gossage had a great message for the “numbers people” a few months ago. It was great.

  36. 36 Bert's Bells said at 5:52 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Was is “statistics can be a great analytic tool and when applied to prospective performance can often give an accurate range of future results but not always because we live in an uncaring universe of entropy and, hey, ain’t my stache cool again? How about that San Diego Chicken?”?

  37. 37 eagleyankfan said at 10:36 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    was it a secret message?

  38. 38 BobSmith77 said at 2:11 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    It also contained plenty of bs ‘when men were men’ talk too along with glossing over all of the cheating, rampant drug use, and other things that occurred when Gossage was playing.

  39. 39 Gian GEAGLE said at 7:21 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    For those that thought bradford had anything to gain by firing Condon, PhillyMag has an article up detailing how this was all bradford motivated and Condon was only reacting to what Bradford wanted. Allegedly Bradford flipped out, stormed out of a meeting with Lurie, Roseman, and pederson and told them he was going back to Oklahoma, the grown up equivalent to “taking your ball and going home so no one can play with it)

    Condon admitted that because sooner or later Wentz is going to start, they tried to take advantage of an opportunity for his client to join a really good team that gave him a chance to be there a long time. But allegedly Roseman was asking for two second round picks and Elway wasn’t having it. Condon admitted that once they drafted Lynch, that opportunity vanished… Sal pal claims todd Bowles “wanted no Parts of Bradford, and that the bills were going in a different direction”
    So while Condon fought a losing battle, apparently he was just following Bradfords orders… Condon called Roseman before Bradford decided to end his week Long hold out(the NFL version of the battle of Grenada that lasted like two days), informing the Eagles that bradford was ready to come back to work, Roseman told Condon that he would be welcomed back with open arms..
    Kind of surprised Condon had the spine to make the media rounds so soon after losing a very public battle..

  40. 40 eagleyankfan said at 8:31 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    funny that Condon said it was a ‘business’ decision while most here keep saying it’s a money issue. Never was a money issue. Bradford clearly wants to play and be the ‘man’.

  41. 41 ChoTime said at 9:44 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Guess you have ESP after all, good job. Got any stock tips?

  42. 42 eagleyankfan said at 10:34 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Trolling so early? I’ve quoted Condon saying it’s a business issue. That’s a fact. I can only remark on what he said. I can not remark on what he implied, thought, thinks or any hidden agenda he may have. Go read profootball talk yourself to see the quote. If he says it’s a business decision – I have to take his word for it…

  43. 43 Buge Halls said at 10:44 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    “Bradford clearly wants to play and be the ‘man’.” Except he’s not “man” enough to compete for it, he wants it handed to him. Some “man”!

  44. 44 b3nz0z said at 11:45 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    i believe Ric Flair has something to say about wanting to be the man

  45. 45 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:46 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Sal Pal painted a picture that this was mostly Bradfords doing and that SAM put Condon in a bad position..
    Even if THATS the case, Condon has to be smart enough To understand that he has no shot of winning in the court of public opinion at this point. The damage has been done, there is nothîng condon can say to make SAM look better at this point, so there ONLY move should be to shut up, and hope this dies down…. Going on the Radio after SAM ended The holdout, is helping No ONE! He can’t help SAM right now by continuing to publically speak about this. SAM and Roseman need to tell Condon to STFU at this point and stay off the damn radio, because it can only hurt, it damn sure isn’t helping.
    And after the hold out ended and they waived the white flag. Why the hell is he divulging info about discussions between Roseman and Elway? How is that helping Bradford?….
    no one is giving Howie enough to trade away Bradford right now. It’s over. Stop going on the radio because all you are doing is digging a deeper grave as far as the public is concerned. Continuing to say dumb shit that makes SAM look weak is not in the best interest of your client,

  46. 46 eagleyankfan said at 5:39 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Thinking they both need learn about damage control. I don’t blame HR at all. He should have asked for the moon n nothing less

  47. 47 Dan in Philly said at 7:44 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    I’m glad Wentz didn’t get a ton of “professional” development as a kid, less for him to unlearn. You read about guys like Goff, who were being groomed to be an NFL QB since he was five or so, and wonder if that’s an advantage or not in the long run. Goff has had a lot of different people tinkering with his game, and Wentz is going to get the bulk of his instruction by NFL coaching staff, who have their entire careers invested in developing him to fit like a glove into their system.

  48. 48 unhinged said at 2:24 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    On a related matter, I feel for the sons of parents who lovingly impose their expectations on their kids. Giving them every advantage and opportunity to excel is fine, but when strings are attached, it is ego-driven and a form of emotional blackmail. Did Cook and Hackenberg ever make a decision about their football activities with no pressure? It didn’t sound like it.

  49. 49 eagleyankfan said at 8:34 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Good stuff on Wentz. I don’t think he needs to be a star or elite — just be a solid player every game. Groom him appropriately.

  50. 50 Chuck Schwan said at 9:10 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    1st…. congrats on the Eagles for landing Carson Wentz and congrats to Carson for landing with the Eagles. You guys are inheriting a winner.

    2nd… to say he didn’t play Division 1 football is incorrect. NDSU is the 5 time Division 1 national champion. Do they play at the FCS level? Yes, but to say that they are not D1 is incorrect.

    Good luck this year Eagles fans, you just gained a TON of new fans/followers from ND.

  51. 51 sonofdman said at 9:39 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Welcome! We traded the state of Oregon for the state of North Dakota this offseason!

  52. 52 iceberg584 said at 6:41 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I’ve spent time in both, and I actually far preferred North Dakota – especially the people.

  53. 53 ChoTime said at 9:43 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Welcome–nice bling!

  54. 54 Tumtum said at 10:03 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Sweet. You guys can fill the void opened up with the loss of our Oregon folks!

  55. 55 b3nz0z said at 11:43 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    they gotta be better than that

  56. 56 anon said at 10:15 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    wait i only thought wentz played two years – who won those other 3 championships?

  57. 57 Buge Halls said at 10:45 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Kind of like how every Steeler says he gas six rings…

  58. 58 b3nz0z said at 11:43 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    you listen when steelers talk?

  59. 59 Bert's Bells said at 12:32 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    He was THAT GOOD.

  60. 60 peteike said at 1:17 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    you just love that “other QB” angle dont you. Almost like you want to be right that he will fail. Go read the Wentz back story on 24/7, teammates and coaches explaining why he has the higher ceiling. Based on this though, there will be lots of puff pieces on him but its hard not to like what you read.

  61. 61 anon said at 1:37 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I’m no Kempski’s alter ego, i just hate that i’m going to have to read Wentz puff pieces on the kid all summer when he’s not going to play until 2018 (if the eagles honor their contract)

    That said the stats analysis was intriguing – wouldn’t be surprised if Howie had the same numbers. Hundley only had a 4% change of making, chase daniels is getting paid $9m and he has 1.1% chance of making it, while Sanchez had a 95% chance of making it.

  62. 62 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 1:59 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    the legendary brock jensen, of course

  63. 63 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:36 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Some knock Wentz because he wasnt able to win that stating job sooner, but is that really a realistic knock on the kid? As an under classmen, even if he does look better than the starter, it’s pretty unrealistic to expect that a team would bench its senior QB who goes into the season as a two time defending Champion…
    I’d be curious to hear Brock Jensens opinion of Wentz

  64. 64 Chuck Schwan said at 10:40 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    He has 5 rings and even though he was the best QB on our team those years, he was behind a guy who was also a proven winner (Brock Jensen)….hard to pull the winningest QB in FCS history when he just keeps on winning. Ask any of our defensive players who the best QB they played against was and they’ll all tell you Carson Wentz (that includes big 12 & B1G QB’s that they faced)

  65. 65 RobNE said at 1:47 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Welcome. I hope for all of us you are here longer than Oregon Ducker was.

  66. 66 Bacon & Iggles said at 1:55 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Welcome! If your looking for the best Eagles blog out there, you can now call off your search. Other than the occasional troll, I think this is hands down the best comment thread out there, as well. There’s some really knowledgeable/funny people here. Its kept me coming back for years now. :~) Enjoy & #FlyEaglesFly!

  67. 67 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:31 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Im more excited that he didnt waste his college experience in some crappy Spread system that does a disservice to kids preperation for life in the NFL, than I am concerned about his 1aa division….
    Yes he didn’t get to play against the top CB’s that you see in the SEC, but Wentz wasnt throwing to elite SEC WRs either, so it goes both ways… Even if you come from the SEC you will still have a difficult transition to the speed of the NFL game.
    I care about his work ethic, heart, mental capacity, and if he can make every throw, and everything you hear about the kid is that he is Off the charts in most of those areas.
    Regretffully I haven’t seen many of his college games. But I saw more then enough of Goff to know that I wasn’t crazy about him. I look forward to going back and watching NDSU games in their entirety this summer when I have some downtime.
    The player is ONLY part of the equation. I believe that a big part that will determine how good these kids will be is the situation they are drafted into. The coaching they recieve at the next level..and in that Regard I kind of feel bad fo Goff. Not only will he be thrown into the fire day 1, but he is playing for one of the worst, most over rated coaches in all sports.. There are few coaches who have been allowed to be as bad to mediocre as Jeff Fisher. We have no idea what type of a head coach Doug Pederson will grow into, but we do know that our coaches do a really strong job coaching the QB positions. Wentz should get the better QB coaching, Wentz should be sorrounded with more talent than Goff. And Wentz will get all the patience he needs to get ready, where Goff is going to be thrown into the fire day 1,’behind a questionable offensive line and weak recievers….Wentz should be great full that he ended up an Eagle instead of a Ram..

    Monday Night to open the season, Goff vs. Chip Kelly…

  68. 68 Media Mike said at 7:58 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    We already had all of you rooting for the Phillies with Chris Coste; welcome back!

  69. 69 scratcherk said at 10:11 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Report: QB Everett Golson among tryout players the Eagles will host at rookie minicamp— Brandon Lee Gowton (@BrandonGowton) May 12, 2016

    [Insert Bradford trade joke here]

  70. 70 GermanEagle said at 10:32 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    To be honest I always liked Golson when I saw him playing to ND.

  71. 71 Anders said at 10:34 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    The worst part about him is he had a gazillion turnovers at ND

  72. 72 Buge Halls said at 10:49 AM on May 12th, 2016:

    Mike Vick ver 2.0, no thanks. Just another camp body.

  73. 73 A_T_G said at 3:49 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    ND QB are quickly becoming Sam’s least favorite letters.

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 7:57 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    RUNNING BACK Everett Golson.

  75. 75 MattE said at 12:10 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I respect that Tommy realizes he is not a numbers guy…….what gets me pissed is when people are proud of that fact, no one should be proud that they can’t do simple algebra (cough Charles Barkley cough)…. I am a fan of Charles Barkley as a commentator in every other aspect lol

  76. 76 BlindChow said at 4:35 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    In fairness, the statistical analysis in the article goes way beyond simple algebra.

  77. 77 Nailed It! said at 1:34 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    CONTRACT DETAILS:4 years, $26.6M.$17.6M signing bonus.(via @RapSheet)— NFL Network (@nflnetwork) May 12, 2016

  78. 78 Nailed It! said at 1:35 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Plus it will include offsets.

  79. 79 peteike said at 1:37 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    that buys a lot in ND

  80. 80 A_T_G said at 3:47 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    That might actually buy ND.

  81. 81 Kelce's Beard, O.G. said at 6:55 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    not with all that black gold they got up there

  82. 82 anon said at 1:38 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    That signing bonus, damn. love to his his bank account go from $45.97 to $9m. Probably also becomes really republican about taxes right about now.

  83. 83 Cafone said at 2:10 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Nah, he’s a 4.0 student, not a meathead like Runyan

  84. 84 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:18 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Chump change to Bradford

  85. 85 Rambo said at 2:32 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Boy are we lucky!!

  86. 86 peteike said at 1:37 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    The graduation rule

    “The most notable is third-round pick Isaac Seumalo of Oregon State, which operates on a quarter-term system. He will be allowed to participate in this weekend’s rookie camp, but will miss the remainder of the spring activities and will not be on the field again with the team until training camp. The same applies to Stanford defensive tackle Aziz Shittu and Oregon running back Byron Marshall”

  87. 87 b3nz0z said at 1:41 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    it’s never the top picks, it seems. how many late rounders have lost jobs because they had to play catchup all summer. so stupid

  88. 88 Rob Jarratt said at 2:19 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    An exception: Ertz.

  89. 89 ACViking said at 2:23 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    RJ —

    True that Ertz lost valuable time.

    I think b3nz0z’s point, though, was that low-round picks — who already have an uphill battle to make the roster — face an even steeper climb because of this rule.

    Ertz, as a 2nd round pick, was gonna make the roster short of being busted for heroin distribution.

  90. 90 Rob Jarratt said at 6:10 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    So true, ACV. I think it’s an archaic rule and does put lower round picks at disadvantage. Even Ertz struggled in his first season. He seemed to be a step behind in the acclimation process. It was only year 2 when started to produce as expected.

  91. 91 Tumtum said at 6:35 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Ertz didn’t have all that much I of a rookie campaign either.

  92. 92 Anders said at 3:02 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Pretty much all Pac-12 players, so top guys like Mariota, Dion Jordan, Andrew Luck etc missed time

  93. 93 CrackSammich said at 3:41 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Late rounders will statistically lose those jobs anyway. It’s better to collect on that free college degree than to throw it all at slim chance at making the roster for a few years.

  94. 94 ACViking said at 2:21 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    The NFL enacted this archaic rule to placate university presidents who insist that NCAA football players are students first, athletes second.

    Oddly, though, the NFL doesn’t invoke the “Graduation Rule” to bar college players from the Combine — even though most have dropped out of school to prepare at that point.


  95. 95 SteveH said at 2:34 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Sometimes I wonder who the NCAA and NFL think they are fooling at this point. Are there that many people anymore who really believe in the student-athlete thing?

  96. 96 anon said at 2:34 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    everyone that doesn’t play football, basketball, baseball or hockey.

  97. 97 A_T_G said at 3:46 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    And everyone that plays those sports at colleges whose mascots you cannot name.

  98. 98 Tumtum said at 6:33 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Such a foolish rule. Have any Eagles drafted had productive rookie seasons when forced to miss time due to this rule?

  99. 99 Media Mike said at 7:56 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    That rule is as stupid as the quarters system itself. College needs to end in the first week of May for the semester.

  100. 100 BobSmith77 said at 2:05 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I was hoping that the story about Wentz also contained the details about him successfully wrestling against a huge black bear while on vacation in northern Minnesota. No such luck.

  101. 101 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:17 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Think you are confusing Wentz with Lane Johnson

  102. 102 A_T_G said at 3:43 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Minnesota? No one goes to Minnesota by choice, amiright?

  103. 103 Cafone said at 9:23 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Minnesota is the home of the U.S. Pond Hockey Championship. Watch this movie, it’s awesome:

  104. 104 Bacon & Iggles said at 10:57 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I have Hulu but I can’t get that link to open in my browser. What’s the title of that film, man?

  105. 105 anon said at 12:45 AM on May 13th, 2016:

    pond hockey

  106. 106 Cafone said at 2:44 PM on May 13th, 2016:

    ^ Pond Hockey is correct. It’s on free Hulu so you don’t need to pay for Hulu to get it.

  107. 107 D3FB said at 8:05 AM on May 13th, 2016:

    Fight me.

  108. 108 Rambo said at 4:41 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    It was a Grizzly.

  109. 109 Tumtum said at 6:32 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    And he killed it. So the story is hush.

  110. 110 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:06 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Lol agent Drew Rosenhouse sent a letter to every NFL team detailing the “Extensive counseling/therapy” Hardy has committed to this offseason…. Who the hell are they fooling with that whack job

  111. 111 Fufina said at 3:47 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    The tragic thing is that the biggest issue stopping him resigning at the moment is not his domestic violence but the fact that he was an awful team mate and locker room cancer in 2015 with the Cowboys.

  112. 112 anon said at 4:07 PM on May 12th, 2016:


  113. 113 CrackSammich said at 4:41 PM on May 12th, 2016:


  114. 114 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:18 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    True that…

  115. 115 unhinged said at 5:52 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    “Winning isn’t everything. It’s the only thing.”
    – Vince Lombardi

  116. 116 laeagle said at 5:15 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Random thought of the day about Bradford’s situation. Sorry to belabor the already-belabored issue, but here goes.

    When the Eagles signed him to the 2 year deal this year, a lot of people were still crying for him to be traded. A lot of that had to do with the language where the bonus didn’t kick in until a certain date. I forget the details but I think it had to do with the league year or something. Saner heads (like myself) were saying at the time that there was no way in hell the Eagles would do that. You don’t sign a player to a contract and then turn around and trade him. It would send a poisonous message to potential free agents. I still think that was true, and it’s become more apparent that the Eagles never had any intention of doing so.

    What’s crazy is that the flip side is also true, and crazier still that Condon/Bradford didn’t see that. You know they’d be the first to be crying loudly about the injustice of trading a player who just signed a new contract. But it’s no different if a player signs a new contract and then immediately asks to be traded. If you had asked me whether or not this would happen, I would have said “Hell No!” a few weeks ago. I wouldn’t believe that Condon could be that stupid. But I would have been wrong.

    Long story short: just as it would have been nuts for the Eagles to trade Bradford right after signing him, it’s nuts for him to cry for a trade right after being signed.

    Second thought, as corollary to this: given your choice of who’s responsible for this mess, who would you choose? Considering how difficult this makes an agent’s dealings with teams now, how crazy stupid it is to even think of doing, would it be more likely that it was the experienced agent who wanted this, or the guy who has made a career throwing a ball for a living (when not injured)?

  117. 117 FairOaks said at 5:45 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Generally agree, but just for devil’s advocate — when he was signed, the Eagles basically just had Sanchez on the roster. They were not even guaranteed of getting Chase Daniel, let alone know they would be able to get Goff/Wentz. So, they were pretty desperate to have a solid QB. I think they did like Sam enough to think he could be OK, but at the very least wanted one more season to see.

    It was highly unlikely there were going to be able to get Wentz — moving up that far is based on some luck. If Cleveland had wanted Wentz, or if the Rams decided they preferred Wentz (neither of which the Eagles could know or control), then they would have been shut out, and Bradford would have been the guy. So while they may have been hoping, they really couldn’t plan on that possibility.

    I think it would have been OK had Wentz fallen to 8 and we took him, but after giving up that much the presumption is Wentz is now the guy going forward. So, the Eagles situation had changed since they signed Bradford. So Maybe Bradford was hoping the Eagles decided they didn’t need him as much anymore, and might be willing to do the trade.

    I think he found out though that pulling stunts like that only worked with Chip Kelly — not Roseman. And I don’t think Roseman wants to start Wentz this year, since we can’t use a high draft pick anyways.

  118. 118 unhinged said at 5:47 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Bradford. We all compartmentalize in our own interest. After 3 months of trashing Ted Cruz as a pathological liar (“Lying Ted”), and similarly insulting every other candidate, Donald Trump called Cruz “a great fighter who has an incredible future” (or something to that effect).
    It’s like an oft used consoling aside when somebody intentionally injures another: “This isn’t personal”.
    Sam may not in his life ever had to live with a decision that he regretted almost immediately. I think he saw a full out tantrum as a card he could play for free. Football players knock the snot out of one another for a few hours and then hug and chat and advertise the compartmentalized nature of their livelihoods. In Sam’s mind, maybe he saw his behavior as giving it his best shot. It may prove to be free, but, unlike his decision to act out, that is completely out of his hands.

  119. 119 A_T_G said at 9:36 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I was with you right up to the part about Condon being stupid. As AC Viking pointed out a couple of weeks ago, and GEAGLE reiterated tonight, Bradford walked out of the meeting to kick everything off. Most likely, Condon was doing what his client wanted, not manipulating him like a puppet.

  120. 120 laeagle said at 10:50 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    That was actually my point. The whole thing was so stupid that it’s harder for me to believe that it was agent-generated. So stupid that it’s only something that someone would do if there’s a lot of emotion involved.

  121. 121 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:24 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    NBA combine is pretty entertaining

  122. 122 GermanEagle said at 5:52 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    They have a combine!? Are they doing ‘who can make the most lay ups’ within 2 minutes?!

  123. 123 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:25 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Other than drills they actually have 5 on 5 scrimmages, and you do a bunch of interviews and measurements like the NFL combine

  124. 124 Tdoteaglefan said at 7:52 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Damn, good looking out i had no idea they televised their combine

  125. 125 Lord of the Rings said at 6:50 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I only need one reason to like carson wentz.
    will he bring the ring?

  126. 126 myartz04 said at 7:15 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I might be drinking a little vodka with my kool-aid…but I am really excited about Wentz.

  127. 127 Media Mike said at 8:00 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    I’m dying to see him play in the pre-season.

  128. 128 myartz04 said at 8:04 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    It’s like when I dream about winning the lottery. Like…what if Wentz is our Brady? How awesome would it be.

  129. 129 Lord of the Rings said at 8:11 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    yeah and Doug is our Belicheck

  130. 130 myartz04 said at 8:12 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Wouldn’t that be neat?

  131. 131 Fufina said at 8:28 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Think Wentz is more likely to be Luck/Rogers both in playing style and their situation with their franchises. Doug will never be a Belicheck that much i can be certain but i think he could replicate Pagano and McCarthy building good team atmospheres and cultures and being able to be successful in the right circumstances.

  132. 132 BobSmith77 said at 9:14 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Belicheck on occasions when he actually speaks and engages with the media gives you the impression he is pretty intelligent right off the bat.

    So far in the limited interactions we have seen Pederson engage with the media, it hasn’t instilled much confidence in me at all. Even in in the one-on-one, he doesn’t exactly articulate his answer to even some fairly basic questions that well.

    You don’t have to be a genius to be a good coach nor work insane hours either. It does help to be able to quick on your feet to make decisions in certain spots though which is a trait from his interviews that Pederson hasn’t remotely shown.

    Also concerned that he is going to be the offensive coordinator too this year and call the plays. Struggle for even the most capable rookie head coach of which I would put Pederson in that category. Maybe I’m wrong but I see this offense for a few reasons largely being a shit show this year with Pederson’s insistence on calling the plays being a part of it.

  133. 133 BlindChow said at 10:50 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Chip Kelly repeatedly showed the ability to be quick on his feet in his interviews, yet it had no correlation to how he performed on the football field. He was repeatedly out-coached on game day.

    In fact, one thing we repeatedly heard about Billy Davis from beat reporters was what a great communicator he was; but he, too, was routinely beaten where it really mattered.

    I’m not worried at all with how Pederson looks when he’s in front of a microphone. He might end up being a bad coach, but it won’t have anything to do with how comfortable he is speaking to the media.

  134. 134 anon said at 12:44 AM on May 13th, 2016:

    chip was excellent at game day adjustments the first two years – just seemed like year 3 he gave up.

  135. 135 daveH said at 8:43 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Game 3.. probably sold out already

  136. 136 daveH said at 8:42 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Tito’s in mine please

  137. 137 Eagle Talon said at 8:50 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Peach Kool-Aid and vodka is pretty damn good followed by grape.

  138. 138 A_T_G said at 9:30 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Why would you do that to perfectly good vodka?

    (And if it isn’t perfectly good vodka, run it through a Britta filter a few times.)

  139. 139 anon said at 10:49 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    really?!?!? where were you 15 years ago!

  140. 140 A_T_G said at 11:12 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Drunk, most likely.

  141. 141 Eagle Talon said at 9:47 AM on May 13th, 2016:

    Both cost to much. Some rock gut mixed with 5¢ kool aid. It works great. Hey don’t judge, It helps me get through the football season.

  142. 142 BobSmith77 said at 9:06 PM on May 12th, 2016:

  143. 143 Insomniac said at 9:10 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    If Big Red is Andy then Dougy P would be…

  144. 144 A_T_G said at 9:29 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    This is excellent. The physical shape, the knock off status, it all fits.

  145. 145 scratcherk said at 9:23 PM on May 12th, 2016:


    Live action shot from Carson Wentz's contract signing earlier today… #Eagles— Doug Moore (@DMooreNFL) May 12, 2016

  146. 146 BlindChow said at 10:53 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    He totally stole that from one of his followers, then tweeted it out like he made it himself. Dick move.

  147. 147 bushisamoron said at 9:28 PM on May 12th, 2016:

    Bottom line- Bradford looks weak.

  148. 148 Cafone said at 2:45 PM on May 13th, 2016:

    bottomer line: you are absolutely correct but we already knew that so my opinion of him hasn’t changed.