Versatility Ability

Posted: May 7th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 142 Comments »

Doug Pederson has mentioned versatility as a desired quality in his players more than once or twice. But most coaches mention that. It sounds great.

The Eagles really did focus on versatility with this group of rookies. Pederson seems to be a coach who genuinely means what he says.

Isaac Seumalo – Played all over the O-line in his college career. Can play any of the interior spots in the NFL. I don’t think he could play OT unless it was an emergency.

Halapoulivaati Vaitai – Started at RT and LT at TCU. Could play on either side in the NFL. Might be able to play OG as well, but more of a natural OT.

Wendell Smallwood – Can run, catch and throw. Used to line up in the slot early in his career. Lined up a bit outside in 2015. Also has some KOR experience.

That’s pretty good for a RB.

Blake Countess – So versatile he actually went to 2 colleges. Okay, maybe that doesn’t count. Did start at CB and S in his career. Could turn out to be the next Sheldon Brown, Brandon Boykin or Rodney McLeod. I think Safety might be the best spot for him.

Jalen Mills – 4-year starter at LSU who spent time at S and CB. Like Countess, can play all over in the NFL. Covers well enough for CB, but hits/tackles well enough for S. The Eagles have to figure out where he fits the best.

Joe Walker – More of a projection. Spent his entire college career playing ILB. The Eagles want him to compete for the backup MLB job right away. But also has the size and athleticism to play OLB. Walker is 6-2, 236. He ran 4.60 at his Pro Day. That could be a WLB or a SAM. His versatility could give the Eagles the option of only having 5 LBs dress on gameday, allowing them to have an extra DL or DB available. Walker has to show he can handle MLB first. I did find it interesting that the Eagles looked at some thumper type MLBs but ended up choosing an athletic guy who can play multiple spots.

Byron Marshall – More of a weapon than a position. Was a WR/RB/RS for Oregon. The Eagles are projecting him at RB for now. Marshall could be groomed to replace Darren Sproles in a year. Forget about what you call Marshall, just get him the ball in space and let him make plays for you.


Aziz Shittu – Played DT, DE and NT for Stanford. Will likely be a NT or DT for the Eagles, but could get the occasional look at DE. Has good quickness, but I’m not sure he has the speed for DE in the Wide 9 front. No matter where you lined him up in college, Shittu was disruptive.

Destiny Vaeao – Played DE and DT for Washington State. Can play NT or DT for the Eagles. Strong enough to be a stout run defender. Athletic enough to be disruptive when flying up the field.

Connor Wujciak – Played DT, NT and DE for Boston College. Ran 4.91 at the Combine, where he was 6-2, 291. For the sake of comparison, Fletcher Cox ran 4.79 at 6-4, 298. Wujciak had the highest SPARQ score of any major college DT. This kid is one heck of an athlete and you can bet Jim Schwartz will move him around to try and take advantage of that.

You can see that this group of rookies can play different roles. Just as importantly, the schemes allow for that. The 3-4 was more limiting in what players could do. Fletcher Cox can play all 4 spots in the 4-3. Jordan Hicks can play all the linebacker spots in the 4-3.

The offense will use more huddles and player changes. That allows role players to have more impact. Chip Kelly wanted speed. That mean having the same 11 guys out there as much as possible. Pederson will use tempo, but will also play more situational football.

There are plenty of versatile players who failed in the NFL so these rookies still have a major challenge in front of them. Some of the guys will be battling each other for roster spots and/or playing time. The more things a guy can do well, the better his chances of succeeding.

Oh yeah, it also wouldn’t hurt to be kinda decent on Special Teams as well.


142 Comments on “Versatility Ability”

  1. 1 Greg Richards said at 11:35 AM on May 7th, 2016:

    You forgot Dillon Gordon. I don’t know if that guy is a TE, FB, or OL.

  2. 2 nickross23 said at 3:02 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    I saw how big Gordon was as a TE and i instantly thought maybe just maybe he could have the same career path as Jason Peters

  3. 3 Greg Richards said at 3:38 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Saw an interview with him that said he’d initially play TE but would learn OL as the year went along. Sounds like he’s a practice-squad only candidate.

  4. 4 Media Mike said at 7:53 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    TE. Knock 20 to 25 pound off of him and up the quickness, but keep the overall frame. Hopefully he can bludgeon people in the run game.

  5. 5 Versatility Ability - said at 11:40 AM on May 7th, 2016:

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  6. 6 Dan in Philly said at 11:43 AM on May 7th, 2016:

    I’m betting Wentz could play LB in a pinch.

  7. 7 Fufina said at 11:47 AM on May 7th, 2016:

    Think he has the athletic skills to be a pretty damn fine TE as well. 6’5 and those agility scores would be tough to cover.

  8. 8 Jarock said at 12:40 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    His “I like the contact” mentality sure reminds me of some LBs. Reminds me a bit of Jim Kelly too 🙂 Hope he grows out of that mentality or I doubt he lasts a decade 😛

  9. 9 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:50 AM on May 7th, 2016:

    Seeing how aggressive and nasty Seumalo can be when finishing his blocks, makes him a fun OL to watch
    Hopefully bêtween Seumalo and Vaitai, At least one of the two goes on to become a quality starting caliber pro. Doesn’t have to happen as rookies, but Ill be happy if just one of them grows into a starter…. I’d like Big V to at the very least grow into a better Swing Tackle than Dennis Kelly has been off our bench. Obviously if he grows into a starter thats Gravy.
    Be great to find out that the Eagles starting OL of this next era is already on this roster today, but that would mean a lot of things falling our way… Big V developing into a starting Caliber RT, KELCE bouncing back from a down year, and Seumalo or Bunche eventually proving that they can start at Guard opposite that Big Summamabitch Brooks.. Ambitious? Maybe, probably, but it’s not really neccessary because we will still have to add more young OL talent the next two years even if it’s just for upgrading our bench for the future under Wentz..
    Who is the Undrafted Guard that lacks athleticism but is a powerhouse blocker in the run game?

  10. 10 Greg Richards said at 11:55 AM on May 7th, 2016:

    Darrell Greene

  11. 11 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:55 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Interesting player. For a kid with a reputation for being a powerhouse Mauler in the run game, I was surprised to see PFF DRAFT claiming that “Greene had the second best pass blocking efficiency (99.4) among Guards in this class”
    CBS Sports ranks Greene as The 13th best Guard
    The more I find out about this kid, the more it makes sense why they were so aggressive in geting him to sign with us.
    Be awesome if Greene, Seumalo, And Bunche, all surprise us and take roster spots from older more established Eagles like Tobin, Barbie and Gardner(who I like)

  12. 12 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:17 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    I can see a few of these guys making 53 and few more practicee squad of they aren’t scooped up by another team

  13. 13 A_T_G said at 1:07 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    I think it is interesting that both Smallwood and Marshall have experience and project to have the ability to run WR patterns, in the mold of Westbrook or Sproles. On the one hand, it gives a glimpse of what the offense might look like. On the other hand, it is a reminder that Sproles’ days are waning.

  14. 14 Tumtum said at 1:13 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Makes sense. Pederson has been on teams with Brian Westbrook, Jamal Charles, Dan Klecko, Brian Dawkins, Eric Berry etc. All really good players that are very versatile. Can see why he wants that

  15. 15 MagHelpsHubby.... said at 3:09 PM on May 7th, 2016:


  16. 16 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:57 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Go away w got you off 24/7 now leave here also

  17. 17 Rockedupeaglesfan said at 10:30 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    No, she’s still a problem there too

  18. 18 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:15 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    Hasn’t seen her since Rich called her out as twiddling twit

  19. 19 Tumtum said at 6:00 PM on May 7th, 2016:


  20. 20 Howie Littlefinger said at 4:20 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Huff can’t play any WR position lol

    I believe thats what mags was getting at(?) if so I agree

  21. 21 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:26 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    “Whaaaat?????? OKAAAAAY!!!!!”….. Settle down “lil Jon”, run along and go play with the Eastside boys

  22. 22 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:18 AM on May 9th, 2016:


  23. 23 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:11 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Never imagined that Lack of creativity could be an issue when chip became our coach. I sure as hell didn’t see that one coming. The Narrative/Expectations were that as soon as teams adjusted, chip had all types of counters waiting for their adjustments, And would always be a step ahead…. Reality Couldnt have been farther from the Truth. it made it even worse that his first season we actually were seeing creativity from him, using unbalanced lines, splitting Lane out wide, even trying stupid ish like the swinging gate, and that dumb option in our run game when we would draw a defender and then throw a backward pass to the WR.. But after that first year, it got stale quickily. I mean everyone knows that after the first season DCs would start to adjust, but few could have imagined that they would catch up to Chip so Quickily to the point where already in year 2 we were hearing rumblings of teams who aren’t even division rivals like the niners and Seahawks talking about how they knew everything that was being thrown at them which is pretty bad when it’s the first time you are facing those teams under chip. No one could have imagined that defensive coordinators would completely catch up to chip as fast as they did.
    After that first year, creativity sure took a nose dive. It took like a year and a half to become as stale and predictable as we got under Andy after like year 7 which is horrible. Inside runs, sweeps, bubble screen, crossing patters, wheel routes out of the backfield made up about 75% of the offense. To become so predictable after year 1, while your Offensive line is getting worse and worse after 2013 instead of getting better, probably hard to sustain offensive success we enjoyed the first year. The revolving door and lack of continuity at QB didn’t help matters.
    Who the hell could have imagined that after only 3 years under the “offensive Genius” we would be begging to bring back the west coast offense we spent 11 years in? I never imagined that after 3 years I would be so excited to watch the Eagles huddle again. The crowd at the Linc is going to let out the loudest Roar of joy the first time they huddle up and run the ball from under center this year. The first time we see a RB pound the rock behind a lead blocker the crowd is going to explode. I’ll be happy to see a slant route. I can’t wait to see the first shovel pass goal line TD to Sproles and that Shovel pass became a symbol of how stale the offense had become after 11 years of Andy, yet I can’t wait to see a damn shovel pass.. A QB actually not rushing to snap the ball every single time, taking a few seconds to get the defense to tip their hamd, figure out what’s coming and audible into a play that gives us a better chance to succeed against what the defense is going to throw at us…. I’ll be thrilled to see a simple reverse, after running it like 1 time in the past two years?
    After such a small offensive playbook, lack of creativity, and only knowing 1 tempo to play at these past 3 years, I can’t wait to have a huge, intricate west coast playbook again.
    I get the impression that our offensive players are also thrilled with the change to a pro style offense… Even the classy kids brought here by chip like Lane and Jordan still take small shots at chips offense, like yesterday jordan Mathews asked about what excites him about the Change in offense next season, and he answers with subtle digs like ” looking forward to actually being able to breathe in between plays” and that comes from one of our hardest working young players who pride themselves on being in “Eagle shape”. That’s not the harshest accusation but probably telling because it’s about as much as you can ever expect to see A classy kid like jordan throw a coach under the bus…. If young I experiemced players like lane and Jordan are happy to see chips offense go, I can’t even imagine how much Experiemced pro veterans like Peters and Sproles were frustrated about the offense..lm actually surprised that we hear offensive players take shots at chip, but that the defensive players haven’t thrown chip under the bus as much as I would have expected after all the extra pressure, only knowing how to play 1 way put on the defense

  24. 24 jaws80 said at 7:53 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    written in 2013:

    “However described, Kelly warns that his offense will not be “some magical offense,” never before used or seen by NFL-caliber coaching staffs. The strengths of his offense will come from being adaptable to change and getting fine-tuned to match his player strengths.”

    “Bottom Line:

    In 2002 Steve Spurrier brought his vaunted offense to the NFL from the University of Florida. As a result of not being able to adapt or unwillingness to adjust his system, his stay with the Washington Redskins ended after two lackluster seasons.

    Chip Kelly knows, and more importantly, accepts, he must be willing to adapt and evolve to succeed in the NFL. His attention to detail, creativity, ability to listen to and invite collaboration with his staff are important factors that will help him succeed and put him in position to be one of the biggest successful surprises in the 2013 NFL.”

    another writer wrote in 2014:

    “In turning a 4-12 team into a division winner, Kelly also reminded a lot of his NFL peers of that lesson, and then showed them some new ways to act on it. Now it’s up to the rest of the league to catch up — and up to Kelly to stay one step ahead. ”

    With our 2016 perspective we now know Chip was not able to stay one step ahead. Still i think the safe money in 2013 and 2014 would be to bet that Chip was going to be able to adapt, change, innovate and it is still surprising how he kept doing the same things over and over, even seemed to reduce the range of things he tried and did them over and over as 2015 season went on.

    I thought there was one quote of Chip saying he when hired already had in mind what defenses would do in the nfl to counter him and he already knew what he would do in response. Now i wonder if those words about being adaptable ever came from Chip or were just writers projecting their own ideas onto Chip.

  25. 25 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:24 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    I do remember him, saying he would adjust scheme to his talent but that never c even came close to actually happening quite the opposite really

  26. 26 Dominik said at 8:39 AM on May 10th, 2016:

    they would catch up to Chip so Quickily to the point where already in year 2 we were hearing rumblings of teams who aren’t even division rivals like the niners and Seahawks talking about how they knew everything that was being thrown at them which is pretty bad when it’s the first time you are facing those teams under chip.

    While I agree with you in general, that’s not entirely fair. Seahawks and 49ers in Year 2 meant Carroll and Harbaugh as the HCs, both experienced Chips offense in College first hand. Harbaugh even had his OC and DC from Stanford. They knew just as much about what’s coming at them than our Division rivals knew at that time.

    Plus, that’s kind of a big deal, they had very talented players on Defense. Combine knowing a pretty easy scheme in and out with having talented players who can execute the gameplan against this scheme and you will have a hard time on Offense.

  27. 27 Johnnydeagle said at 1:48 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Great job Tommy. A heads up; several of the links on your Blog Roll no longer function or have not been updated in some time.
    Sheil Kapadia is no longer with Birds 24/7 Eagles Blog.
    Eagletarian no longer exists.
    Bleed Green Forever is a dead link. And,
    Chip Wagon hasn’t been updated since Chip left.

  28. 28 MagHelpsHubby.... said at 3:08 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Not sure why but there are other Philadelphia personalities whose websites haven’t been updated for 3 years either. Whoever they are paying to run these sites is not doing their job.

  29. 29 iceberg584 said at 5:36 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    For me, the fact that many of the sites on the blog roll simply lead to dead links or ancient ruins is a testament to Tommy’s consistency and dedication to keeping this blog (community) going over the span of many years.

  30. 30 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:50 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Latest QB talk coming from teams most Associated with being options for Sammy boy:
    1) ELWAY claiming that Lynch will be ready to play Quicker than people think..
    Not sure how going to a team that invested 3 draft picks trading up for a QB in round 1 is much different realistically than the Wentz situation… The Broncos didn’t trade up to #2, but there is a big difference between what they invested in Lynch and a team like the bills or jets just taking a Flier on guys like Hack and Cardale.
    2) San Fran beat reporters speculating that Kaepernick could end up getting the RG3 treatment, relegated to 3rd string QB duties. making Kaep inactive on Gamedays saves the niners about 2mil
    The Niners may provide bradford his best chance at Longterm security only having to compete with Gabbert, since Kaep is clearly persona non grata and probably won’t be in San Fran two years from now. But they are likely going to have a top 5 pick next year,so even if SAM changes his mind and becomes willing to play for Chip again, he would still have to worry about the possibility of Baalke treating him like a stop gap
    3) talk about the Jets vs. Fitzpatrik game of chicken lasting into July. For a team that ISNT trying to pay more than $7 to maintain a little QB continuity with Fitzy, it’s probably not too likely that they would be willing to take on Sams front loaded contract that pays him almost 3 times what they would Like to pay Fitzy… Obviously Fitzpatrik isnt the future in NY, but he clearly gives them the best Chance to win next year. Curious to find out how this game of chicken ends, and how much the Jets are ultimately willing to end up paying to retain him
    Certainly nothing positive that should give the bradford camp any added hope that they will be able to find a team thats willing to give up enough Value To get him out of philly while providing him the ideal situation he is looking for
    It’s kind of a weird time for a QB like bradford to try and find suitors, with Most teams recently having invested in their young Qb of The future, while other teams with veteran QBs probably don’t expect their QBs to be at the point where they retire after this year. So not only May bradford get stuck in Philly for this year, it may turn out that he doesn’t even find the opportunity he is looking for next Offseason because:
    A) I don’t see another of the top veteran starting QBs being ready to retire after this season like Peyton did this year……Brees, Eli, Rivers, Brady, Palmer, Rothlisberger, all will probably be back leading their teams again next year, So not only may SAM have to play well this year to try and earn security somewhere else, he may find out that the opportunity he is looking for will take longer than one year to find. maybe after two more seasons, A guy like Carson Palmer retires, and the Cardinas DONT have a yoûng franchise QB in place waiting for him, so a coach like Arians who has a team ready to contend for a Super Bow could look to transition to a 30yr old like Sammy instead of starting all over and waste more of their window to contend on a rookie QB..
    B) will a team reach a point where they are ready to quit on guys like Tannehill, Stafford, Cutler, Tyrod, Teddy after this season? Not sure that any of those teams will be in a position where they have a roster ready to contend for a SB but is being held back by poor QB play enough to be ready to quit on their guys to replace them with Sam.
    C) Cleveland and the Niners are likely to be teams most in need of a QB after this season, but those franchises will be in a great position to take the top QB prospects in either of the next two drafts and how likely is it realistically that the niners and Browns will be good enough to where it makes some sense for them to pay Bradford what he wants instead of going the much cheaper route of drafting their QB in the top 5. I guess it’s also possible that the Jets Cap situation changes and their team improves enough to feel like it makes sense to pay Bradford instead of continuing to look for their QB via the draft
    Doesn’t look like a great time for a QB like Bradford to get what he wants. not only may he not have options this offseason, but it may be a mistake for him to assume that he will easily be able to find the ooportunity he wants next offseason. He may come to the realization that teams are done rolling out the red carpet based off his potential and unfavorable past circumstances and that he is really going to have to prove that he can get thru another season healthy, showing serious growth from last year, finally having a big successful career year just to have a chance at a few doors opening up for him after this season providing the opportunity he is looking for.. It may be a mistake to assume that it is a given that he will have better opportunities waiting for him as soon as we release him and give him the freedom to talk to other teams.. It’s a real possibility that it may take two more years for a QB like Carson Palmer to retire, or a team being ready to quit on guys like Tannehill or Cutler, opening up a much better opportunity that he has in Phill… So it actually may become in his best interest to win enough games in Philly this year to make it a hard decision to give the keys to Wentz automatically after this season, and try to buy himself a second year as the starting QB of the Eagles just to buy a little more time so that a few doors can open for him offering the better opportunity he is looking for.. Maybe an opportunity like the Browns opens up Next year, where as if he can buy another year of time in Philly, a better opportunity like the Cardinals can open up for him.
    So he may have to reach the realization that he actually needs to have a big year in Philly more than the Eagles even need him to have a big season. I think his ideal goal should be to try and improve his Value enough to have a chance at being the next Carson Palmer who latches on to a good team and has his best years in his 30’s playomg for a team that ends up providing him a 3-4yr windown to contend. For the first time in his career he may find out that it’s no longer easy for him to find teams that will roll out the red carpet for him, and that he is going to have to really start earning his opportunities from here on out

  31. 31 Forthebirds said at 3:39 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    I not one of those who can’t stand d him for asking to be traded. But as you point out so well, his options are limited. I hope his agent, who I hear did not instigate his holdout, can make him understand that playing for the Eagles, and playing well, are his best options. Fans will forgive him if he plays well.

  32. 32 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:46 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Yeah it’s certainly not ideal, but it doesn’t bother me much,,, more than being bothered by the stance he is taking, I don’t understand it. It doesn’t make sense to me. I dont believe that what Sam is doing is in his best interest and im banking on him to realize that soon.
    I don’t like our best player Fletcher Cox missing OTA’s, but at least I can understand why he is going about It that way, I can see what he has to gain from it. where as with Bradford, I don’t believe this is accomplishing anything, I don’t believe this is in his best interest, and I don’t expect it to get him what he wants.
    Ultimately he gives us the best chance to win next year, in an extremely winnable division, so as long as he makes sure he is prepared to start the season, I won’t care much about him missing a few weeks in April/May. In the end I think bradford will realize that preparing to strive for his best season is in his best interest, and when it comes to this seasons success, welcoming him back is in our best interest. even if a fan hates Bradford with a passion, the better he plays the better chance we will have of getting some decent value in return when we decide to trade him, so it’s not in our best interest to hold this against him too much, assuming he doesn’t go overboard with this crap and joins his teammates as soon as BARWIN seems to think he will.

  33. 33 Media Mike said at 7:51 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    What is Lynch ready to do; be a weird looking hipster bust?

  34. 34 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:27 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Looks like an Emo painter

  35. 35 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:29 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    Wow that was spot on can you please send this to every philly beat writer tho enlighten them

  36. 36 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:17 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    Nothing could help those poor simple minded bastards

  37. 37 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:03 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    ESPN news right now is showing the Chubbtown segment right now (3pm)… Recommend checking it out. It’s “SC Featured” on ESPNN. It’s just starting

  38. 38 MagHelpsHubby.... said at 3:04 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Here and on other sites Coach Kelly was demonized for liking ‘versatile’ players but, hey, it’s just great for Peterson to do so. Laughable. Sort of.

  39. 39 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:05 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Ahhhh we missed the “scorned fish wife routine”. LMAO now my day is complete

  40. 40 GermanEagle said at 3:13 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    I find Peterson’s photographs very versatile.

  41. 41 P_P_K said at 3:18 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    How do you find time to dig up this stuff? Aren’t you supposed to be changing diapers?

    Hey– congrats again, I hope Mrs Eagle and the little one are well.

  42. 42 GermanEagle said at 3:38 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Ha! With twin toddlers you rather learn quickly to google with one hand and change nappies with the other one.

    Thank you sir. The Adler Familie is all well.

  43. 43 Forthebirds said at 3:44 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Wrong spelling. Did someone just take this opportunity to us his stinking wedding album? Low blow. Very low.

  44. 44 GermanEagle said at 3:52 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Your sense of humor blows, mate.

  45. 45 Forthebirds said at 4:40 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    I seriuosly thought you were trying to show pi cures of Pedersen and mispelled the name and wound up with someone else’s photo album, and was trying, unsuccessfully I guess, to have fun with it. I take it you are a new father with twins in diapers. Congrats on fatherhood. You have so much to look forward to.

  46. 46 GermanEagle said at 4:58 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    They’re 2 years and 7 months old. But thanks anyway.

  47. 47 ChoTime said at 3:31 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    It can’t be easy coming up with a new angle every day. I have no idea how Tommy thinks of something to write as often as he does.
    Chip really crashed and burned here, Mags. It was his fault.

  48. 48 BlindChow said at 4:06 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    “Doug Pederson is a football coach. You know who ELSE was a football coach? CHIP KELLY, that’s who, you all are HYPOCRITES!!”

  49. 49 Tumtum said at 6:07 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Nice try at a simile but your didnt use any false truths. Oh well!

  50. 50 BlindChow said at 3:56 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    He was demonized for liking bad players, not versatile ones.

  51. 51 Gary Barnes said at 8:49 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    And getting rid of good.players for little or no.return

  52. 52 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:33 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    And miss using all the players

  53. 53 Fufina said at 4:24 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    One of the main issues i have with Chip is he talked a lot of sense but then did not implement it. Chip talked about matching scheme to talent and then had one of the most static unchanging schemes in the NFL. He talked about using versatile players but tended to use players in exclusively i role (eg: Mathews always in slot). I think he is a really smart coach but by year 3 his lack of any NFL experience really shined through and i think he would have been a lot better off going finding a good team with a good coach (Andy Reid and KC would have been a good fit actually) and being an OC for 2 years and then picking his next head coaching vacancy carefully so he is in the right situation for him. Think the 49ers could go sideways fast.

  54. 54 unhinged said at 5:03 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Kelly will be vilified on this site for fill in the blank. He did not just lose games and lose his team and lose his job. He was the first enigmatic HC for this franchise since Buddy Ryan, and I count myself as one of many who was excited by his obvious football acuity, and even after 2 seasons, all hope was not lost. I do think the beginning of the end was his power grab, which I can only speculate, pissed off Jeff Lurie severely. The ensuing random and somewhat reckless shuffling of personnel by Kelly seemed as much a cat marking its territory as a HC committed to improving his team. I think the reaction here has been pretty muted because we are mostly trying to look ahead and get a feel for the rookie HC, but if I was going to characterize the tone of the criticism directed toward Kelly, I would put it in the same category as that of a jilted lover.

  55. 55 Tumtum said at 6:05 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Nah he wasnt, but its pretty cool how you state it as fact.

  56. 56 Rambo said at 8:13 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    What coach doesn’t like a versatile player? I doubt that he was demonized for just that.

  57. 57 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:30 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    “Mama said, Versatility is the Devil”-Bobby boucher(waterboy)

  58. 58 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:31 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    Go away, sure 9ers have a blog you can fluff chipster on

  59. 59 Greg Richards said at 6:34 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Jeff McLane

    34m34 minutes ago

    #Eagles are close to finalizing hiring of #Bears scout Joe Douglas as “personnel head,” NFL sources said. Announcement expected Monday.



  60. 60 Rambo said at 8:11 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Hip-Hip!! Hooraaaaaay!

  61. 61 RobNE said at 7:26 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Kemp ski points out the benefit to the cap if Bradford retires. Should we root for that?

  62. 62 Media Mike said at 7:49 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Does retirement by suicide bring the same benefit?

  63. 63 SteveH said at 7:56 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Only if he files the paperwork beforehand #darkhumor

  64. 64 Media Mike said at 9:10 AM on May 8th, 2016:


    Bradford has two options.

    1) Show up, play well all year, get the Eagles something decent back in a trade.

    2) Sign retirement paper work, kill himself right after, get the Eagles their full cap charge back.

  65. 65 D3FB said at 7:56 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Honestly, that would probably be a pretty solid outcome. The cap space outweighs any likely draft pick compensation at this point. In reality though he probably comes back, it’s super awkward, the team is kinda blah and Wentz takes over the last 5 or 6 games and Sam retires after the season, since he’s not interested in being a placeholder and I don’t see him playing to the level that some one will give him the job no questions asked.

  66. 66 Media Mike said at 8:00 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Yet embarrassing losers like Gonzalez write crap like this trying to keep the fan base from holding Bradford accountable.

  67. 67 ChoTime said at 10:44 AM on May 8th, 2016:

  68. 68 Gary Barnes said at 3:40 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    He’s not looking for a team to gjve him a job no questions asked. He has never said anything close to that nor has his agent etc. He is looking for a fair shot to compete for a starting job and, after he earns it, the long term contract so he can settle down and be a part of building something successful.

  69. 69 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:40 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    He was offered a long term deal here be turned down so now that no one wanted him he ahrred to a. 2 yr contract but wants out keeping 11m signing bonus cause a rookie who never played 1 snap in the NFL may. Outplay him so no detention of Sam okayed ligjts out her could still earn a. Extetion here 1st rd QBS busy all the time.

  70. 70 GermanEagle said at 10:06 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Wait, Jimmy got style points for doing ski?

  71. 71 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:55 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Wouldn’t it benefit us also if he just digs in and enforces his hold out into mandatory activities and into the season? Correct me if I’m wrong, but at some point, if he keeps missing mandatory activities, can’t we start going after his signing bonus?

  72. 72 Rockedupeaglesfan said at 1:39 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Pretty sure they can fine him. Don’t think they can go after more until he missed games and game checks.

    Retirement is when we go after his SB

  73. 73 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:07 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Yeah they can definitely fine him, im sure of that much. Think it’s somethng like $70,000 per day
    But Id be completely shocked if it ends up coming to that

  74. 74 SteveH said at 7:58 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    It keeps getting worse and worse.

  75. 75 anon said at 8:27 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    looks like det wants to keep tulloch

  76. 76 BlindChow said at 9:57 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    They’re betting we’ll want to trade for him maybe?

  77. 77 Dave said at 8:54 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    The Eagles, nor any other team, are going to pay a 31 year old MLB $5.5M, which is what is left on his contract for this season.

  78. 78 BlindChow said at 10:38 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Apparently the Lions are.

  79. 79 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:42 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Not exactly, they are trying to get him to accept a pay cut, allegedly

  80. 80 Dave said at 1:12 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    I’m making the assumption he is injured and they can’t release him until he passes a physical.

  81. 81 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:23 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Not surpised… Never expected Tulloch to The Eagles to happen

  82. 82 Greg Richards said at 10:46 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    I disagree. Everything indicates it’s some technical issue in his contract that is delaying him being released. My guess is he has salary that is guaranteed for injury and DET can’t release him without owing him money until he is healthy enough to pass their exit physical.

  83. 83 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:50 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Recent reports state that they are trying to get him to accept a pay cut so they can keep him… No word on how Tulloch feels about that tho

  84. 84 FairOaks said at 8:35 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    When someone says “Dion Lewis type impact”… exactly *which* Dion Lewis team are we to compare against? I certainly wouldn’t get excited about a re-enactment of the impact he had on the Eagles…

  85. 85 BlindChow said at 9:56 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    I thought he was good for the Eagles when given a chance. His preseason performances were always solid, and the one game he started (McCoy sprained ankle or something?) he had over 100 yards.

  86. 86 FairOaks said at 11:06 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Yeah, he was good in preseason. We ended up trading him for Acho, so the Eagles weren’t all in on him (granted we had McCoy so he didn’t get much of a shot). Didn’t realize he was basically injured or out of football from then until he resurfaced with the Patriots and was a revelation. I just hope this also isn’t the type of guy that Belichick can get production out of, but the Eagles can’t 😉

  87. 87 Media Mike said at 9:09 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    He’s fragile, so I wouldn’t worry about it.

  88. 88 Jason said at 1:25 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    It means most likely to pull a fire alarm at the team hotel.

  89. 89 big Jes not here for grammar said at 5:43 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    He played well when here very limited oppertunity

  90. 90 daveH said at 8:52 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    I was reading this at dinner and just got in trouble. Thanks Tommy. Not even kidding however.

  91. 91 Dude said at 8:53 PM on May 7th, 2016:

    Get your priorities straight bro lol

  92. 92 A_T_G said at 8:56 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Yeah, really. Supper will wait.

  93. 93 GermanEagle said at 10:09 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Game of the year. TSV 1860 Munich vs Paderborn at home. Win and they’re safe!

  94. 94 ChoTime said at 10:37 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Hey GE, do you know this song “You’ll Never Walk Alone?” I had to play it for someone’s wedding last night. I think they sing it at futbol games.

  95. 95 GermanEagle said at 10:40 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Yes I know that song. They love to play/ sing it at English football games!

  96. 96 ChoTime said at 10:45 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Ah… his fiance said they chose that song because the only time she’d seen him cry was singing it at a futbol game. She wanted to make sure the ceremony was appropriately emotional.

  97. 97 GermanEagle said at 10:58 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Lol. Quality!

  98. 98 GermanEagle said at 11:22 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    See now I’m crying.

  99. 99 D3FB said at 10:44 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    It’s a big Liverpool thing

  100. 100 GermanEagle said at 10:45 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Yes, sir!

  101. 101 daveH said at 11:11 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Reggae version !!!! BLUE HAZE .. best evet

  102. 102 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:48 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Favorite soccer game I attended live was the ASR Roma vs Byern Munich in Champion league play (in Rome) about 4 years ago…. Rome was down 0-2 at half time, and they stormed back to win 3-2…. You remember that game? May have been the best live sporting event I ever attendedl..

  103. 103 daveH said at 11:19 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    “best live sporting event I ever attended”

    Game 6. ..
    Mets, Red Sox playoffs ..
    Our seats were behind home plate 10 rows above the walkway ..
    As the inning starts we can see the right & left field stands of
    Shea Stadium are going nuts.. and soon same thing behind 1st & 3rd base ..
    There are 6 dudes with shirts off and R E D S O X painted on their chests…
    Taunting & SHEA Stadium was upside down in rage..
    They got to us right behind home plate when
    The ball went under Buckner …
    Mayhem ensued idea idea how they escaped or slithered away.
    Been dying for 30 years to find someone else
    Who was there also

  104. 104 daveH said at 11:24 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    DeSean’ runback game .. was drviving to a friends funeral
    .. had to pull over in front of traffic and jump up & down ..
    Service was in NJ so i know they knew why

  105. 105 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:26 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Lol I don’t blame you

  106. 106 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:41 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Yeah that must have been a crazy game to catch live

  107. 107 FairOaks said at 5:04 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Very cool.

    For me, probably finals game 6, Flyers/Oilers in 1987.

  108. 108 GermanEagle said at 11:42 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Yes I do remember. Nice comeback. There were many futbol games I attended whose atmosphere in the stadium was just goose bumps like!

  109. 109 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:41 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Absolutely! The atmosphere to a few of the soccer games I been too was more exciting than a live Eagle game, UFC fight, or NCAA tournament game

  110. 110 GermanEagle said at 11:00 AM on May 8th, 2016:



  111. 111 GermanEagle said at 11:03 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Doing shots at 11am is dangerous.

  112. 112 Media Mike said at 11:42 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Soccer is dead to me right now. West Ham 1 Swans 4………………NOT OK.

  113. 113 GermanEagle said at 11:43 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    Oooops. Not good. Can they still qualify for the European Cup?

  114. 114 Media Mike said at 11:43 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    VERY remote chance. Need to be Man U head to head and then pray for some help.

  115. 115 GermanEagle said at 11:24 AM on May 8th, 2016:

    I’m sorry to spam this American football / Eagles thread, but jaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  116. 116 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:40 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    No worries…im over here going crazy over The rome game too

  117. 117 Fabrizio said at 2:06 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Unlike all the analysts and reporters who grade teams after the draft, I’ll reserve judgement till later. One thing I can thank Chip Kelly for is Hicks. While they were talking up Collins and Gregory as steals last year, we actually got got the steal of the draft in the 3rd round, so I’ll wait and see who they all passed up on this year.

  118. 118 ChoTime said at 3:09 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Might have stolen a lemon, too.

  119. 119 anon said at 10:18 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    He did enough in first year to justify that draft spot .

  120. 120 D3FB said at 2:22 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Let me cut one off at the knees before people freak out, that supposed Raiders draft shit from 2010 is fake as hell.

  121. 121 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:16 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    This is awesome:
    “3rd year Center Weston Richburg called out his Giant offensive linemates on Wednesday night, questioning their heart and desire….. Interview posted on, Richburg suggested that his teammates on the OL are relaxing right now instead of focusing on improving for the season to come. Richburg spent his offseason training at O-line performance center in Arizona”
    “The percentage of guys who are just ok to be there(in the league) is pretty high. The majority of my OLine is not doing anything right now” lol
    “I know a lot of guys who are just happy to be there. That’s the difference between them(his teammates) and the guys who are here (working at the OL training center in Arizona) ”
    GM Reese has been taking heat for not addressing the OL in Free Agency and not drafting a single Lineman.. Which is a position that has been a weak link for them and the main cause of why the Eagles have been dominating them the last few years.. GM Reese doesn’t understand the criticism or why it’s a big story. LOL:
    “Im not sure why THATS a big story (first time Giants didn’t take a single OL in the draft)” Reese said. I guess in this market its a big story. Im not sure why it’s a big deal for people”…. Is this dude serious? Smh..
    He also shot down the majority oppinion that they would be in trouble if they start marshall Newhouse and jon Jerry at RT and RG again like last year:

    “We have a coup,e of veterans out there on the right side that people don’t give enough credit and they get bashed and blamed on a lot of things on the right side. they’re solid pro’s”…lol
    Lucky for Giant fans (lol): “we’ll continue to monitor the waiver wire and look for help with respect to the OL. ITS NOT LIKE WE CANT GET OUT THERE AND PLAY AT A HIGH LEVEL WITH THE PLAYERS WE have on our OL”- Reese…….. Video from the last 8 Eagles vs. Giants game paints a very different picture than what Reese suggests.
    Is this moron serious? How can a fool on a hotseat like Reese do nothing to improve such a crucial team weakness which is very difficult to overcome? What good are all the shiny new toys and weapons if you aren’t stout on both sides of the trenches? Nothing else on your team really matters if you aren’t right in the trenches. I almost spit my coffee out hearing Mosher claim that it’s obvious that dallas and the Giants have more talent than us… Is he insane? How can the Giamts have more talent than us? Because they have a really good WR? And maybe they have two better corners than us? Where the hell else are they more talented than us? Where?
    I respect what they did in free agency when it comes to building their DL, but not if it caused them to completely ignore improving their OL
    When was the last time facing the Eagles DL Wasnt an absolute nightmare for Eli? Just all the illegal grounding penalties he should have been called for because our DL was kicking his ass the last few years shows how weak that unit is
    Giants have a solid Iron man QB
    Average RBs, unless Perkins(rookie) explodes
    elite WR, but replaced a starter(Randle) with a rookie
    TE solid at best
    OL: weakest in our division
    DL: much improvedm but they had to overpay Stupid amounts of money to improve it
    LB: Still a mess, probably the weakest in the division
    CB: on paper they probably have The best starting Corner tandem
    S: safety position is about as big of a mess as The OL, although I like they drafted

    We have plenty of needs to address still, but at least on paper, at full strength, we really don’t have these type of glaring weaknesses at starting positions like the Giants do, and like skins have at DL, S, LB, and like the Cowboys have at DE, DB
    Im sure the Giants got some solid talent out of The draft, but to watch a team who’s OL has been getting killed for years now, addressing every position but OL, puts a big smile on my face.
    not only do they lack OL talent, but according to the Giants center, his Linemates lack work ethic and a desire to be great…… But the longtime GM of the Giants wants to play dumb and pretend he doesn’t understand what the fuss is about lol… After this draft, maybe he isn’t exactly “Playing” stupid..
    If Eli has been having nightmare about Cox and the DL for years, what’s going to happen when we unleash a Schwartz DL on his ass? Over/under 5 should be called intentional grounding penalties on Eli when he plays the Eagles.

  122. 122 suthrneagle said at 3:31 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    kaopectate…just a suggestion

  123. 123 Aaron said at 3:52 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    you’re all worthless and weak

  124. 124 EaglesGameBalls said at 8:21 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    I am your little slave boy, daddy

  125. 125 A Roy said at 3:41 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    Now drop and give me 20.

  126. 126 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:13 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Not a big fan of BGN, but they have a fantastic post up for fans interested in learning more about our UDFA signings.
    They have a ranking of all our UDFA’s, it also shows their overall Rank in the draft class and it shows their ranking amongst all the prospects at their positions
    The ranking chart was provided by CBS sports, and this was who they viewed as our top 8 signings (you can see the full list of the rankings at BGN):
    #1 Darrell Greene
    2) Connar Wujciak
    3) Aziz Shitutu
    4) Myke Tavarres
    5) Cayleb Jones
    6) Hunter Sharp
    7) BYRON Marshall
    8) Destiny “the stripper” Vaeao
    Then you can see The list of who we gave the most money to, and how it compares to the CBS rankings of our signings. for Example:

    CBS ranks Darrell Greene as our best UDFA, and the $105,000 that the Eagles gave him probably means that they agree with CBS that he is our top signing,,
    Where as Myke Tavarres was the second highest paid UDFA, but CBS ranks him as our 4th best signing…Keep in mind that NEED probably played some role in factoring in how they allocated their Money amongst the Signings… So even if The Eagles agree with the #4 CBS ranking of Tavarres, LB depth is one of our biggest need, which could have factored into the Eagles giving him more Money than a DT rated ahead of him..
    we gave the UDFA Long snapper an “unprecedented” $25,500..Clearly they must see long snapper as an important need, I guess jon Dorenbos should probably be a little concerned. Was Dorenbos Noticably starting to decline last season? I didn’t notice him much, which is usually a good sign for a LS.
    This is a small fraction of the info that the BGNS post provides, certainly worth checking out and it includes an interesting stat for each player

  127. 127 wee2424 said at 10:33 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    While i preffer here or birds 24/7 and at times Kempskis site, they do have some interesting articles there, and that is definetly one of them.

  128. 128 iceberg584 said at 12:06 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    birds 24/7 hasn’t been the same since Sheil left. It’s basically McManus and some college interns now.

  129. 129 wee2424 said at 8:57 PM on May 9th, 2016:

    While it has not been the same i think it is still very high quality reading. The college interns for the most part write good articles, and I feel comfortable saying they will more then likely have a bright future ahead of them in sports journalizing.

    Is journalizing a word? My spell check doesn’t think so.

  130. 130 A_T_G said at 7:14 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Oh, Trey. Say it ain’t so…

  131. 131 GermanEagle said at 7:52 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    Omg. I hope Tunsil’s ex agent has hacked his Twitter account!!

  132. 132 myartz04 said at 8:37 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    It will be okay, as long as he doesn’t scream racial slurs.

  133. 133 SteveH said at 9:51 PM on May 8th, 2016:


    I think I could actually get behind that.

  134. 134 xmbk said at 7:50 PM on May 10th, 2016:

    What was this? He obviously took it down, which of course makes me curious.

  135. 135 A_T_G said at 12:52 AM on May 11th, 2016:

    He shared that he was going to the Beiber concert. The fact that he took it down is hysterical.

  136. 136 anon said at 10:13 PM on May 8th, 2016:

    What happened to Kempski? Yes almost troll level at this point. Jimmy thinks a) wentz is the best qb on the team right now and b) he could start “sooner rather than later”. Has anyone watched this kid throw airballs?

  137. 137 Insomniac said at 12:21 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    boss probably needed him to meet the quota today.

  138. 138 Anders said at 4:05 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    Consider how bad Bradford have played over his career and his injury history wentz can easily play around week 10

  139. 139 Brendan Ekstrom said at 2:08 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    Funny that guy mentioned Dion Lewis. I was watching the Smallwood highlights and was actually reminded about how annoyed I was that we let him go Lewis go.

  140. 140 Anders said at 4:04 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    Yes, Lewis was a guy who in theory fitted the offense but didn’t fit the supposed culture

  141. 141 一元营销 said at 4:28 AM on May 9th, 2016:


  142. 142 Fufina said at 8:27 AM on May 9th, 2016:

    So Sammy is fronting up today. Think the reality is there is no longer a better trade situation available and his need to now go out an perform as an Eagle has sunk in. I doubt it will have any lasting impact with the team because 2 weeks of conditioning work and throwing on the field with no coaches is not going to damage his preparation or team chemistry really.

    Where i think Sam will have some issues is with the fanbase. He is going to be public enemy for a while unless he comes in and plays out of his mind in regular season. But probably from an Eagles organisational perspective that should help Wentz when he finally starts since we will be cheering him just because he is not Sammy.