Chase Talks

Posted: June 2nd, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 143 Comments »

Backup QB is normally not a spot of great interest on a team. No one was all that fired up about hearing from or talking about Mark Sanchez last year. Chase Daniel is a bit different.

Daniel is getting paid terrific money for a backup. The Eagles were very generous with him. Too generous, some would argue. The Eagles feel Daniel is worth the money for a couple of reasons. He played for Doug Pederson in KC so he knows the offense and can help those around him to learn the system. Knowing a play is one thing, but understanding the nuances is very different. Daniel can help with that.

The Eagles also feel Daniel is a good backup QB. Sanchez was terrible in his 2 starts last year and the team was 0-3 in the games where he threw a pass. The bar isn’t exactly set sky high for Daniel.

Daniel offers unique perspective because he watched the Chiefs learn the offense in 2013 and how he’s seeing the Eagles learn it this spring. You’ll never guess which group he’s more impressed by. Tim McManus has the details.

Daniel is a big Doug Pederson guy and he’s going to say pro-Pederson things, and that’s just the way it is. What was interesting about this particular exchange was that he didn’t realize that he was handing Pederson a pretty monster compliment. Asked why he thought this group was so far ahead of the ’13 Chiefs, he struggled to come up with an answer.

“I don’t know. I think we have some really smart guys in this locker room — not that we didn’t in Kansas City — but I think guys are just picking it up faster. I don’t know what to attribute that to. Maybe they’re studying more, maybe it just makes sense to them,” he said. “It’s hard to tell, but I feel light years ahead of where we were maybe the first year when we installed it.”

Maybe it’s a feather in the cap of the head coach?

“There you go,” Daniel responded. “Doug heard three years of installs from Andy. Andy installed there. I’m sitting next to Doug in Kansas City and he’s taking copious amounts of notes. He knew what he was in for. He’s going to be a head coach, he’s going to run this offense, he’s going to have his own twists on some stuff. And you could really tell. Like for me, it’s a little different because I’m like, ‘Oh yeah, he hit that point. He hit that point.’ Maybe stuff that he wouldn’t think of but we both heard [from Reid]. I’ve been truly impressed with how well he’s installed the offense, so maybe that could be attributed to it, yeah.”

Maybe Daniel is just praising his new head coach. Or maybe he does mean it and he’s impressed by the Eagles. In the end, it really doesn’t make a huge difference which team learned the offense faster. The Chiefs played well in the regular season and that’s the standard the Eagles have to live up to. has a video showing Daniel talking with reporters in the locker room.

One of the biggest keys for me in that piece is that Daniel paints a very different picture of the Eagles QBs than what many would like to believe. Sam Bradford and Daniel went to play golf together last week. Daniel has also been a friend and mentor to Carson Wentz. It isn’t compelling. It isn’t salacious. But it sure sounds like Eagles QBs actually get along well.

Daniel wants to start. Wentz wants to start or at least be the backup for now. Bradford wants them both stay on the bench. That competition doesn’t have to be cutthroat. Guys can push each other in the right way. You need the right people. Wentz seems humble for a #2 pick. Daniel has been a grinder his whole NFL career. Bradford is the X-factor. No one would have said a bad word about him as a person until his “Get me to Denver” stunt. Luckily Bradford backed off that and came back to the team quickly enough that no one is going to permanently hate him. 


Speaking of Wentz and being grounded…compare him to Matt Barkley, who was a 4th round pick. Barkley could not understand why he was buried on the bench. Everyone else did, but not Barkley. Give the guy credit for working his butt off, but he simply didn’t deserve to play over the guys above him.

Wentz is saying (and not saying) all the right things so far.


Dave Spadaro did an interview with LB Myke Tavarres.

That was a really good interview. Tavarres is engaging and comes across like a pretty bright guy. When talented, athletic players go to small schools, academics can often be an issue. I wondered if that was the case with Tavarres, but it sure doesn’t seem like that’s an issue based on the way the young man speaks and what he has to say. He told some good stories and has a good perspective on things.

The Eagles need him to play well. They are thin at LB and paid him big bucks to sign with the team after the draft. This just isn’t a camp body. Tavarres is someone they want to make the team.

Lots of raw ability.

***** also had a good interview with Nelson Agholor.

Multiple members of the media gave him a chance to talk about injuries from last year as a reason his rookie season didn’t go well. Agholor wasn’t interested in excuses. He knows the pressure is on and that he has to produce. He does not want to follow Marcus Smith to the Land of First Round Disappointments. That is a sad, sad place that everyone should avoid.

Agholor is saying all the right things. He’s also played well this spring. That’s critical. Words are nice, but must be backed up by action.

It is interesting that all of the receivers seem to go out of their way to praise Greg Lewis, the new receivers coach. Bob Bicknell must not have been Mr. Popular.


A few people asked why I didn’t talk about Andrew Gardner in the piece I wrote on the OG situation.

If it were up to me, Gardner would be penciled in at LG. He earned the RG job last summer. I thought he played well until he got hurt. I’m a fan of his.

For some reason, the Eagles coaches don’t seem to be. Maybe he’s not completely healthy. Maybe they don’t like his build at OG. I like Gardner and hate that he seems to be getting brushed aside.


143 Comments on “Chase Talks”

  1. 1 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:48 PM on June 2nd, 2016:

    Nelson kinda seems….full of shit in that interview. Not saying he’s a bad guy, but I don’t really buy how he comes across. I get that all of these players have to hate giving quotes in June, but man I wish he was more convincing.

  2. 2 Cafone said at 2:52 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I do not concur. I buy how he comes across. He is a genuine person.

  3. 3 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:45 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    A kid who refuses to make excuses even when people are offering up excuses for him is “Full of shit”?
    I get a very different impression

  4. 4 Chase Talks - said at 11:48 PM on June 2nd, 2016:

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  5. 5 wee2424 said at 12:10 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Cool to have Glew and Staley as coaches on this team. Stanley seems to be a very quality coach,and it seems like he has a bright future on the coaching side in this league. Hope Glew does the same.

    I haven’t put much thought about Gardner until you mentioned him. You are correct in that he played well before he was injured. He does seem to be getting brushed aside in the LG battle. It is early, but I do hope he gets a real crack there. Seems like he deserves it with how he played last year in limited action.

    With that said there could always be something the coaches know that we don’t know.

  6. 6 Media Mike said at 5:19 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    “he played well before he was injured”

    WAY too many guys on this team have that problem.

  7. 7 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:44 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    As opposed to all the other teams that don’t have to deal with injuries?

  8. 8 Media Mike said at 4:02 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    That isn’t the point. I’m just not trying to hear about how good anybody is if they’re not available to play.

  9. 9 wee2424 said at 8:52 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    That’s is besides the point right now. He played better then Barbre and Tobin. He is now healthy. Why not give him the opportunity to win the LG spot?

    If someone played better then another person are we just supposed to ignore him when he gets back from injury because he was hurt?

  10. 10 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:44 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Thank you

  11. 11 Media Mike said at 5:17 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    “Agholor wasn’t interested in excuses.”

    I like his attitude here. Guys need to be on the field and producing. I wish this mentality would be adopted by more apologists for other players who don’t stay on the field.

    I think Agholor was somewhat set up by higher expectations as a rookie because he was taken in the first round and Matthews had such a strong rookie year as a 2nd round pick. The guys skills at USC were clear to see on film and he showed a few nice flashes last year. I think he’ll do well enough this year.

  12. 12 Ben said at 8:42 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I agree and what I liked was how he owned up to his shortcomings last season and let everyone know how disappointed he was in himself for not seizing the opportunities that came his way.
    Making the jump from college to the pros affects players to different degrees and I think we can all agree he struggled mightily.
    I have not given up on Aggs becoming a good player but he needs to step up and play like a winner this season.

  13. 13 EaglesGameBalls said at 9:17 PM on June 6th, 2016:

    Memba when everyone said djax and shady had their best seasons with chipper. If you that is true algohlor is trash

  14. 14 Dan in Philly said at 6:15 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Pederson is the big unknown. If he can be near the coach Big Red is, we will have a fine team to cheer for the next several years.

  15. 15 Cafone said at 6:40 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    He better be better than Reid or we will run him out of town with pitchforks.

  16. 16 A_T_G said at 6:52 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    And if he is the best coach in the history of football, the pitchfork option isn’t completely off the table.

  17. 17 BobSmith77 said at 10:52 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Better than Reid?! He is doomed then.

    I do wonder how long this fan base though will tolerate not making and winning a playoff game. They won’t this year and it will be likely be tough in Wentz’s first year in 2017.

    That will have been nearly a decade though (2008) since this team played and won a playoff game with only a handful of playoff appearances over that span.

  18. 18 ChoTime said at 1:55 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Back to normal, in other words.

  19. 19 BobSmith77 said at 2:09 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    They have made the playoffs 12 times in the 21 years that Lurie has owned them.

    Really haven’t had a dry spell like this (home last 4 of the 5 years) since Lurie took over. You have to go back to the early-to-mid 1980s.

    I do think Pederson is going to fail here (as almost every NFL coach does) in part because the expectation are that he’ll be as good if not better than Reid.

    Reid might be not among the Top 10 NFL coaches in history but he isn’t that far off either. Just think his career end up like Reeves or Knox. Guys who coached for 20+ years, end up in multiple cities but are strongly associated with one team (Reeves – 80s Broncos; Knox – 80s Seahawks; Reid – 00s Eagles), and never win a Super Bowl.

  20. 20 ChoTime said at 10:42 AM on June 4th, 2016:

    I was referring to Eagles, not Lurie specifically.
    I hope people are not seriously expecting Pederson to be as successful as Reid, who in part rode a weak NFC East, and whose system and ideas were ahead of his time IMO–and who was/is a damn good coach. It’s rather unlikely Pederson will get a QB as good as 5, either.

  21. 21 Forthebirds said at 10:04 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I think the coaching staff he put together speaks well of him.The question I is what kind of game manager is he?

  22. 22 John Dunkerley said at 10:34 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Hopefully he is better at clock management.

  23. 23 RobNE said at 8:06 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Repeated from last thread : sixers lol. It’s so damn predictable. They hire the elder snake and everyone says I hope they don’t push Hinkie out and let him hire his son. And bam. So we with our little sliver of hope left think we’ll I hope Bryan doesn’t rush things to get to mediocre. And here it comes.

  24. 24 Anders said at 8:40 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Draft Simmons and go after a competent PG is not the end of the world (compensation is another talk).

    Had Hinkie just signed Ish Smith in the summer and not after the 1-30 disaster, he would still be part of this team.

  25. 25 Gary Barnes said at 9:21 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I doubt that. The local media painted a target on Hinkie from the start. They are old school thinkers who resented Hinkie’s disdain for “safe choices” and “incrementalism” and would never have the guts to be great rather than just good.

    None of them understand what it takes to build or rebuild a team, but they recognized Hinkie as their enemy since he was capable of showing the world how wrong they were.

    Smallwood has started to do the same with the Phillies now, bemoaning that they are “ok” with losing when the rest of the world understands they are rebuilding and the winning to start the season was a mirage.

    The national media were more balanced as many saw what Hinkie was doing and why it made perfect sense due to the structure of the NBA system, but there were still many as old school as the Philadelphia local media unfortunately.

    Similar small minded folks occupy the NBA and other front offices – they applied a lot of pressure on the 76ers ownership since the “process” was supposedly causing so much bad PR for the league etc.

    The combination of those elements + the bad luck of Embiid not staying healthy doomed Hinkie. The 76ers ownership finally caved, hired Jerry and the rest is history. We’re back to being ok with being good instead of daring to be great. Brian will likely screw it up – if this proposed Noel for Teague trade is real, he is off to a great start at doing that unfortunately.

    Ish Smith was not kept by Hinkie because he is a dime a dozen player of little value. As we saw once he was brought back, he is the epitome of a ‘safe choice” that does very little to improve the team, but provides sufficient PR coverage for the organization – Ish Smith is back! Woo Hoo!

  26. 26 anon said at 9:46 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Hinkie only partly exonerated by getting first pick. To me psychologically taking for 5 years is bad for the team

  27. 27 Bert's Bells said at 10:11 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I agree. I don’t follow basketball but Hinkie seemed like the classic snake oil salesman. Being historically bad for half a decade is just a terrible, terrible plan. How did anybody buy into it? Because he said “statistics” and talked big?

  28. 28 BobSmith77 said at 10:43 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t know about being a ‘classic snake oil salesman.’ That is Harris and the PE folks who bought the team.

    All Hinkie wanted to do was lose and lose big time until they ran into a franchise-caliber player (Top 10) in the draft. There is nothing really that amazing or innovative about that strategy. It just a willingness to lose at a staggering rate more on purpose than other teams including the Clippers ever did.

    The hard part is drafting the right players, putting together a cohesive team including the 1 or 2 complementary very good players around that superstar, and a quality coaching staff and roster.

  29. 29 Gary Barnes said at 11:08 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Wow, talk about dropping a lot of context. Hinkie made some of the best trades any 76ers GM ever has and made a lot of good roster moves that helped fix our terrible cap situation and gather more assets for the team.

    He drafted very well, picked a very capable coach in Brown and with the 1st pick this year, Saric & Embiid possibly being in the mix and Noel & Okafor continuing to grow, they were on the right track.

    TPTB just were not willing to keep going. They want it to be quicker and will likely try to short cut their way to 5-10 more wins. They’ll be lauded as the ones who “rescued” the team from evil Hinkie, but likely they will never win anything which was the whole point of Hinkie’s plan.

  30. 30 BobSmith77 said at 11:20 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    What amazing draft finds did he have besides Covington and what amazing trades did he make besides the Holiday trade (of which it was it alleged the Sixers lied about his health)?

    As for this amazing talent base, the only potential difference maker in that entire group is Embiid. No NBA big man has ever played meaningful minutes after having had 2 significant foot surgeries too either.

    As for Brown being an amazing coach, that is just a really hard claim to take seriously. Did you go to games late last year – he was yelling at players in the 2nd half of games and the players were just tuning him out.
    Extending him made almost no sense though. It would have been better to just start with a clean slate.

    As for Hinkie’s grand plan, it was just BS. People who have done corporate strategy (my background) or advanced decision analysis for portfolio investments will quickly see there was really no plan in place including in Hinkie’s ranting resignation. It was only very board outlines with generic parameters. That certainly isn’t a 5-year corporate strategic plan.

  31. 31 Gary Barnes said at 11:54 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Getting Noel and a 1st rd pick in the draft trade was excellent. Embiid and Okafor were very good picks. Covington was a good find as you say. Holmes & Grant have the chance to be good players. Getting a 1st rd pick for Young was good.

    Trading Elfrid Payton for Saric + a 1st rd pick was a very good trade.

    Trading MCW for a 1st rd pick before his stock slipped was very smart. That is the Lakers pick that could have vested this year, could next year at #4 or lower and will be unprotected in 2018.

    The trade with the Kings was an amazing steal – we got Stauskas + a 1st rd pick + the option to swap 1st rd picks with the Kings in both 2016 and 2017. That was an absolute butt kicking by Hinkie.

    Ilgauskas did come back from two foot surgeries to play so it has happened and all signs so far have been that Embiid is on track to play.

    Brown is a very capable coach; he learned under Pops in SA and is very good with his players and the media (important in PHL). has it been tough for him during this rebuild? Absolutely, but I still have full trust he will work out. D’Antoni would have been the “clean slate” you’re talking about and he is a terrible coach. So glad he is gone to Houston.

    Hinkie turned this franchise around and has it on a good path. Did everything go exactly as planned? No, nothing ever works totally according to plan which is why one needs to be adaptable and change gears like Hinkie did several times. If Embiid is healthy, things would have been different. Hopefully, he will be this year and we can see the payoff.

  32. 32 BobSmith77 said at 11:56 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I might disagree with you about how successful he was on those trades but generally I thought he did about as good as you could on most of the trades.

    Trading MCW when he did was also a good move too.

    As for Brown, just because he was on Pap’s staff is in no way an indication of whether he is a good head coach.

  33. 33 Gary Barnes said at 12:10 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I agree, Brown has to prove it as a HC still, but he was not just on Pop’s staff, he was there for over 10 years as their director of player development and asst. coach. He was important in helping them build and maintain the talent acquisition and development pipeline that has been fundamental to their success and also was highly respected by the vets and young players on the Spurs. That does not happen unless the guy is very good at his job IMO.

  34. 34 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:43 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Brett is legit

  35. 35 RobNE said at 12:15 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    ok ok but besides all those examples what great trade did he make? (I kid)

  36. 36 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:36 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    HINKIE made some of the very best trades in franchise history
    The Stuaskas/kings pick trade was fantastic… Talkimg about an unprotected pick in what should be the Marvin BAGELY draft… That pick could end up being a similar situatipn like the celtics are in now. We should be a playoff team in 2019, and we could get a chance to add a top 4 pick to what should already be a Playoff team.
    Marvin BAGELY is literally one of the very highest rated potential generational prospects since Lebron… Hopefully his scumbag family doesn’t screw with his development
    And The MCW trade will prove to be Brilliant once fans see the type of player we get from next years draft

  37. 37 kevinlied said at 12:18 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Agree with almost everything you said, but Okafor… ugh. He clogs the lane on offense, he’s a terrible rebounder, and he can’t protect the rim. To maximize his admittedly strong post game, you need to pair him with another big who can stretch the floor on one end, and block/deter shots and board on the other. There aren’t many of those guys in the world. His game just doesn’t fit the modern NBA. I think that was a huge miss, even though he was likely highly ranked on a lot of draft boards.

  38. 38 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:26 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I’d be careful when talking about what a 19yr old CANT do

  39. 39 kevinlied said at 2:26 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    There is no evidence that he can protect the rim. He has never done so, and he is not an explosive athlete. It would be nice if he could. It would also be nice if he develops three point range. Neither is likely.

  40. 40 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:44 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    lol ok

  41. 41 kevinlied said at 3:53 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Tell me why I’m wrong expert.

  42. 42 Gary Barnes said at 12:29 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    As a 20 yr old, to post 17 and 7 at this level is pretty good IMO.

    He is raw in certain areas: defensive switches, rebounding, free throw % being the biggest issues I see.
    Man on man defense he is actually decent, but when picks or switches happen he gets lost in his shuffle too much. 7 rebounds per game is not terrible, but yes he likely can develop into more than that. The FT% also needs work as he will likely be fouled until he shows he can make teams pay.

    He is not a rim protector and never has been. That is why we have Noel and Embiid.

    Okafor has potential to develop into a very good NBA player; unfortunately now with Brian C calling the shots we may need to watch it happen on another team.

  43. 43 kevinlied said at 2:42 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Seven rebounds per game, or 8.4 per 36 mins, from your starting center is not good. A rebound percentage of 12.8 is awful, especially when he can’t guard anyone on the perimeter because of his lack of foot speed. I don’t like to get down on players so early in their careers but I don’t see a skill set that helps a modern NBA team. So watching him develop from afar would be my ideal.

  44. 44 Gary Barnes said at 2:55 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    If you’re ready to give up on a very talented 20 yr old after less than a full season at this level, we may just have to agree to disagree.

    The point is Okafor is at the very beginning of his career and has the potential to improve in all those areas plus he could also improve on his good offensive game.

    I just think there is too much talent to give up on right now. If Brian C trades him, he better get a ton of value in return.

  45. 45 kevinlied said at 3:16 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    We disagree on the “very talented” part. At least I don’t think he’s very talented in ways that help a team in the aggregate, given his glaring, and, in my view, unlikely to be improved upon, deficiencies. That said, I wouldn’t give up on him for nothing. But I suspect I’d take way less than you. For example, I would much rather have Devin Booker, Myles Turner, or Steven Adams.

  46. 46 Gary Barnes said at 3:32 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I get it, we just disagree. I would not trade anyone this off-season since we still do not know if Embiid will play or definitively if Saric is coming over. I’d let everyone play together for at least half a season and see what I have. I’m not against making moves to help the team, but trading that kind of talent just to buy 5-10 more wins makes zero sense to me which I’m afraid is what Brian C and the owners may be up to unfortunately.

  47. 47 kevinlied said at 4:18 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    And I completely agree with the general point as well as your takes on Hinkie and Colangelo.

  48. 48 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:28 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Lol he is an extra rebound in the first half, and an extra rebound in the second half, along with an extra lay up away from being a 20-10 player?
    He is one of the best 19yr old scoring big men Ever seen
    Do people remember Duncans flaws as a Sophmore at Wake Forrest?

  49. 49 kevinlied said at 3:53 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Nobody values Kanter. People value Whiteside and Biyomno because they can block shots and rebound — two exceedingly important skills for modern big men that Okafor has not shown. Try to couch it anyway you want, two rebounds per 36 minutes is a significant difference.

  50. 50 Bert's Bells said at 11:48 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah. Losing a lot for a long time isn’t really a strategy for winning.

  51. 51 BobSmith77 said at 11:54 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    The one thing that the Hinkie defenders are right on is that he never was given the opportunity now to build a cohesive roster with what he acquired and that he just had some bad luck in regards the draft picks the past 2 years/Embiid injury.

  52. 52 Bert's Bells said at 1:16 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Sure, but that’s part of the intrinsic insanity of his plan. It relies on being really bad until you get lucky. It’s basically letting it all ride on 00 every season until you hit the jackpot. That’s not a plan, it’s a gamble.

    And this leads us to a darker truth: many people don’t want a plan, they want to get lucky.

  53. 53 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:24 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    His “bad luck” could prove to actually be good luck. If Embiid comes back strong from his Injury, that “bad luck” could have allowed us to add another year or two worth of premier yoûng talent/assets at the top of the drafts. If Embiid goes on to have a 10yr career, those two years he sat out helping us get Okafor and Simmons or whatever we eventually trade them for will be a blessing

  54. 54 Gary Barnes said at 11:54 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Do you know anything about how the NBA works?

  55. 55 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:50 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Clearly not

  56. 56 Bert's Bells said at 1:13 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Score more points?

  57. 57 Bert's Bells said at 1:17 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    But, seriously, no I don’t (as admitted). I know the Clippers had one good season after sucking forever, but assumed that was the law of averages.

  58. 58 Gary Barnes said at 2:36 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    No worries, if I was not a 76ers fan, I would never watch the NBA.

  59. 59 Anders said at 10:49 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    He didnt say anything, but most fans of his tactic have been saying for years that the Sixers need a rebuild instead of going for been the no. 8 seed every year.

  60. 60 Gary Barnes said at 11:01 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Because it is the only viable way to effectively put a team on a path to being a great team within the structure the NBA has created.

    Plus it was not half a decade, if Embiid was healthy it would have been a different story quicker.

    The alternative is the “incrementalism” advocated by others which could take twice as long and may never reach the level of greatness unless one got very lucky. Being a good team in the NBA is death – you have to either be great or terrible to have any chance to win now or in the future. Go ask the Atlanta Hawks how they feel about their good team.

  61. 61 ChoTime said at 2:01 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    It’s so viable _it’s never worked once_.

  62. 62 Gary Barnes said at 2:38 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Huh? How do you think all those other teams got their elite studs in the draft? By being good? LOL…of course it has worked numerous times.

  63. 63 ChoTime said at 10:45 AM on June 4th, 2016:

    By intentionally and extravagantly tanking for year after year, right? That’s exactly how they did it?

    NO. No one has ever done that, and probably no one ever will.

    The Hinkie apologists extrapolate that some bad teams have gotten lucky to mean that the best strategy is to get bad, a lot, and then hope to get lucky. Non sequitur.

  64. 64 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:50 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    This is sheer ignorance. Hinkie had enough respect to actually be honest to the fanbase, instead of having a team with no chance to win while the GM tries to improve it enough just to maintain the fans coming to the game.
    All HINKIE did was be realistic and honest. He knew there was NOTHING he could possibly do to contend for a title the next 3 years, so he simply prioritized adding assets that wouldn’t pay off until 3 years down the road. Being realistic about not being able to contend the first 3 years, he was able to give us a head start prioritizing adding playërs that wouldn’t pay off til 3,4,5’years later trying to get a head start on trying to contend in the next “Window” of the NBA once Lebron and a lot of the old guard slows down or retires. Most teams spend a portion of their assets building in the future and a portion on trying to be good enough to take fans money NOW.. All HINKIE did was focus all his assets on trying to build a contemder for the next era which happened to be the first time we could even think about realistically contending
    How a fan who has spent decades in NBA quicksand 5th seed in the playoffs, yet still not understand this Baffles me. There is a reason this is OnLY the 3rd time the Sixers will have ever had the #1’pick in the draft… We had no shot at contending for so many years yet we have barely any #1’picks to show for all those horrible years we endured. sickening how any SIXER fan can not appreciate position HINKIE bas put us in. With ease he could have maintained the status quo and built some shitty #8th seed keeping us on the hampster wheel, instead it was the first time since Croce that the SIXERS were in it to win it, prioritizing doing what it took trying to build a contender the right way, instead of worrying about building a good enough team to take our money that has no chance to contend for a title. If the sixers are going to have no chance to contend for a title. I’ll take the HINKIE way any day of the weel. HINKIE has set this FANBASE up better than we have ever been. easy to rip the guy before its time to even get to enjoy the fruits of his labor and our sacrifice
    Funny how all the ungrateful fans who talk shit about SAM, sure are going to enjoy the fruits of his labor the next 3 years
    And FYI: HINKIE era produced some of the very best trades in Sixer franchise history., lol you will miss SAM once you realize the difference between HINKIE trades and Colangelo trades lol god help us

  65. 65 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:36 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Stop it. That’s absurd. How do you think the spurs built a dynasty? They had a playoff roster in place, and managed to steal the best PF in the history of the NBA out from under our nose, while a terrible team like the sixers got stuck with Keith Van Horn

  66. 66 Gary Barnes said at 10:54 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Hinkie was hired as GM on May 14, 2013 and was forced out on April 6, 2016. Math is not my best subject, but I’m pretty sure that is not 5 years.

    Plus, getting high draft picks is the only viable way for a terrible team with a maxed out cap and no assets to have access to elite talent and thus put itself on a path to being great. That is the way the NBA is structured. That is not Hinkie’s fault; he only worked within the system the league has created. Sure, his fidelity to being great rather than just good exposed the fraud the NBA system is, but again how is that Hinkie’s fault?

    Before Hinkie came, the 76ers were on a treadmill to nowhere. Their cap situation was horrendous, they has little to no player assets, they had wasted or trade away most of their picks and no one knew how to turn the team around.

    Do you want to go back to that time? I do not. Now our cap situation is great, we have a huge haul of picks and player assets and the team is on a path, if Brian and Jerry C and the owners have the guts to do it, to be a great team. If they make trades like Noel+ for Teague, they deserve all the scorn they should get and will screw the whole thing up.

  67. 67 RobNE said at 12:13 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    where is 5 years coming from?

  68. 68 anon said at 1:02 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    #hottakes. Feels like 5 years – but don’t they have to suck next year too? – very good draft class

  69. 69 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:08 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    We will end up with two top 10 picks next year.
    Expect a significantly improved roster, but we will be so young, and so many new players that all the improvements we make this summer won’t be reflect in the win column next year. We will be a much better team, more much more competitive, but the big leap in wins is going to come after next season…. Which is perfect for us, we get to make BIGTIME improvements this summer, yet we still end up with two Top 10 picks in a Draft THATS absolutely STACKED in PG and SG talent.
    Be awesome if Colangelo can take one of our two late first round picks and trade it to a team with no first round pick for a first rounder in next years draft… Next year is so DEEP. half the guys drafted in the top 10 this year probably wouldn’t be lottery picks in next years class.
    We are getting our Franchise Backcourt in next years draft

  70. 70 BobSmith77 said at 10:39 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah Hinkie should have been allowed to lose in perpetuity until they finally ran into a franchise-caliber player (Top 10) in the draft.

    Even LibertyBallers is saying the time frame should be 4-5 years from today to expect the Sixers be a very good playoff team.

    That is just a ridiculous time frame to expect results. Go into a VC firm or a corporate funding arm and have as one of your first slides in the pitch deck that you’re uncertain of any real return and that it might be 8-10 years later until you show a meaningful level of profitability.

    They’ll tell you to stop right there and leave. If their polite, they’ll thank you. If not, their just turn off the projector, tell you to pack up, and immediately leave.

  71. 71 RobNE said at 12:13 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    how is the VC firm analogy relevant to competing for NBA championships?

  72. 72 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:02 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    we should be in the mix for a playoff spot after this next season, especially playing in the East… And after next years draft, there is a great chance we will have leapfrogged the wolves as the most talented young team in the game
    This year we can expect a significantly improved roster with way more Talent than we had last year, but with so many new players and young players, the big improvments won’t be reflected in the Win Column. We will get to enjoy a clearly improved product but we won’t know how to win games at the end so no matter how much they improve the roster this year, there is NO Chance of winning more than 30 games next year (and THATS probably generous), but the 2017 season is when we start to see our improvements reflected in the win Column. 2017/18 season is when we should see the biggest increase in wins from one season to the next, and we should be at least in the mix for an 8th seed in 2017. If we don’t sneak into the playoffs in 2017, we,should DEFINTELY arrive by 2018 season

  73. 73 Anders said at 10:50 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Had the Sixers won maybe 3-4 more games and not have the historic bad start, but instead be neck and neck with the Lakers, there is a good chance he wasnt getting overtaken.

  74. 74 BobSmith77 said at 10:58 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Yup. The team was so bad early on (1-20 and quite possibly the worst team in NBA history early on) that they became a national laughingstock. One things guys like Harris and the other finance guys who bought the team hate is being directly associated with a national embarrassment that was getting a lot of coverage.

    What sunk Hinkie though was how he acted in regard to the Okafor incidents including the fight outside Boston. Hinkie was person non grata and never even issued a press statement. Instead it was O’Neil who did and only days later on Friday.

    Hinkie is a really smart and talented guy. Just seemed to think he could manage bunker style though largely regardless of what happened. Doesn’t remotely work today in today’s constant media environment. Right or wrong, a GM needs to interact with the media and public on a semi-regular basis including during the season even if they just spout cliches, generalizations, and don’t give out much info.

    C-suite executives who can sit down for 30 minutes, give an in-depth interview, come off well and pleasant, and yet say almost nothing of substance. It truly is a skill that even with a lot of experience most people can’t do well especially in front of a live TV feed.

  75. 75 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:49 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    If he trades Noel for Teague or Kris Dunn, then we might as well not even bother getting invested in this team, if he is capable of doing something like that, then it’s inevitable that he will make a mess

  76. 76 ChoTime said at 1:58 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe they knew more than Hinkie, who got the boot. For rather predictable reasons. The great thing about buying into the “Process” propaganda, was that whether it works or not, “it’s right”. Whether it is or not!

    It’s like the conservative politicians who, whenever one of their policies fails, blame the failure on the legislation not being conservative enough.

  77. 77 Gary Barnes said at 2:49 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Not following your point. Are you saying the owners forced Hinkie out because he had failed? If so, I disagree. It is pretty obvious to even the most jaded person that Hinkie had vastly improved this franchise’s situation and positioned them very well for the future.

    The disconnect with ownership was on what it would take to maximize the chances for that bright future to be fully realized – Hinkie wanted to keep going whereas, due to league, media pressure and their own fear, the owners decided to change direction.

    There is no “process” propaganda except from the folks who see it as a threat for some strange reasons. I’ve never understood why some are afraid to take risks, to dare to be great rather than good enough to get by. That is what the 76ers were before Hinkie, simply getting by. Hopefully, we do not return to those days again.

  78. 78 RobNE said at 3:12 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Cho wants to win while you rebuild. Why didn’t Hinkie just do that?

  79. 79 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:19 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Lol Ainge tried to have his cake and Eat it too…. Now his war chest of draft picks is starting to run out and he is still no closer to getting his hands on an impact player… If he doesnt find a star in this draft with the 8 picks he has, watch how nervous Ainge and Boston become when they will only have the 2018 Nets pick left after this draft, While they have the typical sixers roster, good enough to get to the playoffs and not get top picks, but no where near good enough to realistically contend
    Ainge has been LOADED with draft picks in the last few drafts, he kept trying to package them for a star and kept striking out. Now he gets #3 in a two franchise player draft lol, and the top 2 teams don’t give a shit about his war chest of draft picks and won’t be allowing the Celtics to get Simmons or Ingram….. If Ainge doesn’t get a superstar in this draft, and can’t attract Durrant in free agency, he will be very close to his attempt at “Cake and Eat it too” blowing up in his face
    Funny how the celtics are a playoff team, and we are a 10 win team, yet the sixers playërs are so much more valuable than the Celtics playërs LOL
    We have a hand full of Playërs Ainge would package multiple of his players for, yet the celtics might have what, one player that we would care about trading for? Enjoy playoff quicksand Ainge! Celtics are no more title contenders than we are lol

  80. 80 RobNE said at 3:11 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    This makes no sense to me. You think the proposed trade is good for the Sixers?

  81. 81 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:08 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Sorry, but Trading assets for an average PG is the dumbest thing that Tbe Sixers could do this offseason when we are a year away from having two top 10 picks in the most Stacked PG draft Immaginable.
    Kris Dunn literally would not be a lottery pick next year, and 4 to 6 PG’s would be drafted ahead of Kris Dunn next year
    And trading a young player for a good 28yr old PG with one year left on his contract who is nothing special (Teague) would be equally moronic
    Newsflash we aren’t filling ALL OUR needs this summer. If it’s a terrible PG draft, and a weak PG market in free agency, and next years draft is the best PG draft available, we would be foolish to rush to add some PG like Dunn or Teague, when I guarenttee they will want to draft a Pg over him in next years draft..
    If Colangelo as half a brain, he will go with a stop gap veteran like Grevias Vasquez who can start for a year, and then move to the bench in a mentor role to a real FRANCHISE PG like:
    Markelle Fultz
    dennis Smith Jr.
    lonzo ball
    D’Arron fox
    Frank Jackson
    Frank Nkilinita

    There is plenty of work we can do on our roster this offseason, while waiting Til The 2017 draft to get our starting Franchise PG and SG
    They have to get rid of a Bigman, but there is no reason to rush us into some crappy trade

  82. 82 RobNE said at 12:10 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    compensation is the entire talk. No one said don’t go get a competent PG. Don’t change the scenario entirely.

  83. 83 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:11 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I said DONT GET SOME AVERAGE PG when they will spend a top pick on a PG next year anyway

  84. 84 RobNE said at 12:16 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I was responding to Anders.

  85. 85 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:25 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Gotcha. And you are right, it’s all about the compensation, rushiñg into trades is probably not the best way to Maximize our return. Hopefully boy Nepotism has enough sense to wait until he has a few teams bidding on one of our players to get the best value in return
    Fortunately our PG play has been so horrendous that even adding some solid veteran Back up will be a Big upgrade at PG just to get us to next years draft which is like 400 days away
    Figure with a drastically Improved roster, it’s not the end of the world if we spend next year with Grevias Vasquez type, McConnell aka “Eric SNOW-flake”, and of course Simmons also Fascilitating offense
    If we can get Jamal Murray, fine… But if not, go with a cheap stop gap Who will become a mentor/Backüp after this season

  86. 86 RobNE said at 12:26 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I wonder if they want to sell the team in a couple of years, so being pretty good in 2 years is more important than contending for a title in 4-5.

  87. 87 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:32 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    See the one thing I think that’s in our favor(or I hope is in our favor) is Bryan Colangelo had been struggling for some time to find a GM job before daddy came to the rescue.. And Boy Nepotism is inherritting a DREAM situation, stacked with Assets and flexibility… This is such an attractive situation for a GM, that im not sure Colangelo can afford to screw this up, and ever get another GM job again… That pressure gives me hope that he is going to take his time, do this the right way, instead of “Racing into the middle of no mans land”
    For a GM that was struggling to find a job, screwing this golden opportunity would be really damaging to his career, and Hopefully that Pressure keeps him in Line… It would also be great if he actually learned from his last mistake(Toronto job)

  88. 88 Gary Barnes said at 12:33 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I think you may very well be onto something there.

  89. 89 RobNE said at 8:36 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    It’s like watching Homer try to jump the Grand Canyon on the skateboard.

  90. 90 Aaron said at 9:37 AM on June 3rd, 2016:


  91. 91 BobSmith77 said at 10:33 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Get Daniel some pom-poms because he is the biggest cheerleader I have heard in quite a while for an Eagles’ coach. Even Kelce or some of Kelly’s biggest supporters never quite were that glowing in their praise of the new coach when he got hired.

  92. 92 BlindChow said at 10:36 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Does anyone think Daniel isn’t here because of Pederson?

  93. 93 BobSmith77 said at 10:46 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I guess I should have rephrased that – I think they started pursuing Daniel before they decided they were going to try to move up to the top pick/#2 pick and get a QB this year. They signed him as a hedge with the contract basically done before they had a pretty good assurance they could move up along with liking one of the QBs (Goff/Wentz) to do so.

    They paid Daniel in part because he knew the system and of Bradford’s durability. Tend to think that Daniel will rub some of his teammates the wrong way too. No one likes a very vocal teacher’s pet especially one who is marginally talented and being overpaid.

    This move along with Curry resigning were two moves though that stand out as ones I didn’t like that Roseman made.

  94. 94 eagleyankfan said at 11:38 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I’m with you on this one. It’s not my money – but nobody else was banging on Chases door to be a back up. Chase is here because Pederson has a soft spot for back ups. I don’t hear KC crying they lost a back up and now their season is over. Good for Chase for getting that money. But lets not pretend Chase is a difference maker on this team — including helping bringing in a new offense. With or without him, Eagles were going to find a way to be successful.

  95. 95 Ryan Rambo said at 2:44 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I trust Chase to win more games if needed than Sanchize, but backup qb is a pretty “meh” subject to me unless we’re talking Wentz. If Chase can bring Carson along and prepare him for his eventual role AND be decent in a backup role to Sam if called on, then IMO it’s money well spent. Especially considering our other backup options. Just my 2 cents.

  96. 96 eagleyankfan said at 10:32 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Agreed that the back up is meh. I really don’t care who the back up is. I didn’t care it was Sanchez even though he stunk. But it’s hard to get on board that Chase is instrumental to the success of the Eagles(either for Bradford or Wentz)….it is what it is…

  97. 97 laeagle said at 6:56 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    “nobody else was banging on Chase’s door to be a back up” – untrue. Or at best conjecture.

    “Chase is here because Pederson has a soft spot for backups” – pure conjecture

    I really wish people would stop doing the equivalent of reading tea leaves and using that to make definitive statements about exactly what is wrong (and it’s usually about what’s wrong).

    The Eagles are not hiding any information about why they paid so much money for QBs. They’re investing heavily in the position because it’s so important. I think it’s fine to question that strategy (though it worked well for other teams in the past, like GB, and there aren’t many other strategies known to work better).

    What I think _is_ ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous, is everyone and their mothers coming up with conspiracy theories and revisionist histories about what the Eagles have done and are doing. They paid Daniel a lot of money for very obvious reasons: they valued QB, he had experience in the system, at the time they weren’t sure about Bradford’s contract, but they knew he was injury prone. AND THEY HAVE SAID THIS, OVER AND OVER. It’s not fucking rocket science, why they paid so much for Daniel, and it’s certainly not because of any warm fuzzies Pederson had about his time in the league.

  98. 98 eagleyankfan said at 10:30 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    “and there aren’t many other strategies known to work better” — pure and udder bullshit. I wish people would stop spewing garbage out of their mouths. Um, NE has a wonderful record of winning without stocking up on QB’s. Glad you named 1 example by a team that happened to draft well that year. Giants have 2 SB(within recent years) while not stock piling up on QB’s.
    Seattle/Panthers — are they stocking up as well? You’d have to give me support about teams “stockpiling” equating to repeated success. Otherwise — stfu.
    History(Yes history) is littered with coaches from one team to another and bring other coaches AND players to the new team(cough: Maclin). My comments are my thoughts from a distance of the situation but they aren’t without merit or history. Clearly I can not say what Pederson did — adversely — YOU clearly can not dispute because you know as little(apparently less) than I know(which is very little)…
    I wish I can sit here and take 100% in what people say as 100% accurate. Unfortunately — nobody on this earth does that.
    You believe every word in what everybody says? What a fucking idiot. You might as well as walk into jail and ask if anybody is innocent. All of them(ok, most) will say they are innocent — and an ass like you will believe it.
    Of course they are going to say that douche — has anybody in the history of sports ever said “I brought him over because that’s the brotherhood and bond some players/coaches make? No ass, they can’t come out and say that — instead — they are politically correct.

  99. 99 laeagle said at 2:23 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    OK, tough guy. What are the other strategies? Because drafting Tom Brady isn’t exactly a replicable strategy. It’s just something that happened.

    If you’re actively trying to find a QB, please, kind sir, he-who-despises-bullshit-yet-continues-to-spout-it, what would be a strategy that would be better? And note that just because that’s they’re strategy doesn’t mean it always works, but it’s at least a fucking plan.

    Show me proof that Chase didn’t have other offers, tough guy. Works both ways.

    You are a strong man, and people admire your forthright boldness. Keep doing what you’re doing. It’s working. And fuck the Yankees, you bottom-feeding bandwagoner.

  100. 100 laeagle said at 2:33 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Oh, and as far as believing anything anyone says, if someone says something, and it’s pretty simple and straightforward, and all of their actions support that original statement, then yes. I’m going to believe them. What I’m not going to do, because I’m not a freaking moron who gets off on being clever with conspiracy theories, is dream up the “real” reasons why they did what they did because it fits some bullshit fantasy I’ve concocted in my head. You, and most people who are so eager to tell everyone about the “real” reasons behind otherwise simple things, are so painfully eager to drum up support for these bizarre fantasies you’ve concocted that it hurts to watch. You create this vision of things that gives you something to get angry about, then force everything to fit into that weird alternate universe. Because getting angry makes you feel good, and because being the “guy who knows the real story” also feels good. To anyone with half a brain, these bullshit stories you concoct are just that– bullshit– and the simpler explanations that are given are far more believable.

    Is everything the Eagles front office says “the truth”? Or, more accurately put, are they showing us all of their cards at all times? Definitely not. And “the truth” is a bullshit way of looking at it, because it’s not about truth or hiding some conspiracy when they don’t tell us everything; it’s about not telling the whole world everything about their internal operations, because that would be a bad idea when dealing with other teams, agents, etc.

    But when they say things like, “We like Sam”, and everything supports that, then yes, I believe it. When they say they brought in Chase because he knows the system, and that’s the truth, then yes, I believe it. When they explain the high investment in the QB position by saying “we’re investing in the position because it’s so important”, then yes, I believe them. The alternate fantasies (“they signed Sam so they can turn around and trade him the next week”, “they signed Chase because Pederson was a backup and he really likes backups”) are all ludicrous, and the offered explanation is not, and moreover, the offered explanation fits the facts.

  101. 101 RobNE said at 12:09 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Curry is going to thrive in a 1 gap system. Totally different than Chase.

  102. 102 Gary Barnes said at 11:16 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Daniel better have some huge pom-poms with Pederson’s face on them because there is no way he gets even close to that contract without Pederson’s support.

    Roseman had a temporary bout of insanity on that contract since it is likely Daniel will never start or even play for any substantial period unless Bradford goes down real early.

    Daniel is likely laughing all the way past the bank and to his home.

  103. 103 anon said at 11:59 AM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Coach Doug Pederson doesn’t seem impressed with Jordan Matthews’ ability to play outside, saying “he’s better on the inside.”

    Pederson and OC Frank Reich have given Matthews an extended look as an outside receiver after he played strictly in the slot under ex-coach Chip Kelly. But the reviews haven’t been great. It sounds like Matthews is going to continue to play the vast majority of his snaps inside, with Nelson Agholor joined by some combination of Chris Givens, Rueben Randle, or Josh Huff outside.

  104. 104 RobNE said at 12:18 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I think he’s good in the slot and creates some mismatches. He doesn’t need to be pushed outside just b/c we don’t have outside receivers, that just makes us bad at more positions.

  105. 105 anon said at 1:05 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Really thought Huff would be the man inside – hard b/c he’s so good once the ball is in his hands but not sure if he’s a good enough WR to get open. Almost have to gadget the ball to him.

  106. 106 Gary Barnes said at 12:19 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I guess not too surprising yet unfortunate for our offense. We really need an outside WR threat.

  107. 107 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:20 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    My understanding is that Jordan will end up playing outside WR in two WR sets (he was on the bench last year in 2 WR formation), and then Jordan will move into the slot when we put a 3rd WR on the field

  108. 108 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 1:32 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    It’s just OtAs.

    And I think he said Matthews was good on the outside but better in slot. Not surprising since he has sued then last two years inside.

  109. 109 Anders said at 4:03 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Tbh does not surprise me

  110. 110 anon said at 12:02 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Jets’ ownership is terrible. They are considering making a move for Nick Foles? They had a Qb that threw for 4,000yrds with a 2:1 TD/INT ratio (the rest of his stats make the year look mediocre, completed under 60% of passes with 6.9ypc) and they want to move that for Nick Foles?

  111. 111 Gary Barnes said at 12:16 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    27 and 2, baby! 😉

    Fitz is mediocre, but better than the other options. I think the Jets are fearful of his age and the reality that the last time he got a big deal he flopped. They seem to understand last season was likely a fluke and the rest of the league seems to agree.

    Plus the Jets have some cap issues too I believe.

  112. 112 anon said at 1:07 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    yeah i think they’re trying to be prudent – Fitz was captain checkdown last year – I was at the Jets / Eagles game he threw more checkdowns than Sam Bradford and he has good WRs to work with.

  113. 113 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:52 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I would think that they are just floating this rumor trying to put more pressure on Fitzpatrik to sign…. If the Jets were to trade for FOles or another QB, Fitspatrik will really be screwed

  114. 114 anon said at 12:03 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    JP taking snaps at RT while LJ is at LT.

  115. 115 Gary Barnes said at 3:44 PM on June 3rd, 2016:


  116. 116 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:18 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I love the daily Carson Wentz Bullshit,..Carson walks on water, he turns Gatorade to wine, cures children of Cancer.
    The Latest bunch of Crap is Vai Sikehema raving about how Wentz is the real deal because Chase and Bradford stand up while calling the plays in the huddle, while Carson “Jesus Christ” Wentz is so special that he takes a knee adresing the players in the huddle like Montana did…. We either get way too carried away, or Ridiculuosly negative…. Is there no middle ground?

  117. 117 Bert's Bells said at 12:30 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    You should write for General Hospital you love drama so much.

  118. 118 solid said at 1:22 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe he’s kneeling ’cause he’s too tall………

  119. 119 The original AG said at 4:14 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe they like bended knee and it reminds them of when there was love. Nah, I got nothing.

  120. 120 wee2424 said at 8:57 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    The Carson Daily.

  121. 121 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:06 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Kind of funny to see how everyone exaggerates tbeir praise on Wentz now. The kid walks on water according to our media.. What’s funny is Wentz must be so thrown off by how much everyone gets carried away praising him. Compared to the pre draft impression he has of philly. Hearing all about how tough we are on playrs and how we,booed Donovan, Santa. he is probably getting lulled into a false sense of security because the city is treating him the opposite of what he was told to expect from us..
    He is going to get a rude awakening once he becomes the starter and everything will instantly switch from exaggerated praise to insane level of scrutinity and negativity/doubt every time he has a bad game. We aren’t a patient FANBASE and we rarely reapect the player development process. realistically I won’t expect Wentz to be some playoff winning QB TIL years 4 or 5, and THATS assuming Doug will be able to win enough to keep his job that long so tnat Wentz wont have to deal with learning a new scheme around the time he should be ready to lead us on playoff runs.. Yeàr 4, 5 is when a young QB should be considered a matire veteran QB. Hopefully Wentz and Pederson could win enough games on our way to years 4/5 to justify being given continuity to continue and grow to that point… Wentz isnt the only one who is Growing. Im sure Pederson has a lot of growing to do as well these next few years into his Head coaching role
    Everyone always loves the back up, that dynamic is compounded exponentially by the fact that our Backüp is the #2 pick in the draft. He will find out how intense the other side of the coin is as soon as he steps into a starting role.

  122. 122 EaglesGameBalls said at 11:23 AM on June 4th, 2016:

    Look I even got this dumb bitch to stop writing such long boorish posts. Now ppl actually read what this dumb mother fuqqer rights

  123. 123 SteveH said at 1:19 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I gotta admit the Sixers drama is kind of more interesting than the Eagles right now… Is Coangelo going to fuck everything up? What are we going to do with all the big men? Simmons or Ingram? Trade Okafor this year or the next? Is Embiid coming back healthy?

    There’s a lot on the table right now.

    Oh yeah and the Cavs basically got trounced by the Warriors backups last night. So much for a healthy Kyrie and Kevin Love making all the difference lol.

  124. 124 Lord of the Rings said at 7:31 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    we’ll see, game one is game one, nothing more.

  125. 125 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:22 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Kyrie and Love can’t guard anyone
    lebron, Love, Tristan missed way too many contested shots in the paint
    I expect LEBRON to lose again, and drop to 2-5 in NBA Finals series, which could have easily been 1-6 in the Finals if Ray Allen didn’t pull a rabbit out of his ass at the end of game 6 against the Spurs.
    For a guy with no loyalty, he jumps from team to team every time some adversity shows up looking for the easiest path to a ring, even worse is that he uses his influence to practically be the Cavs GM, pulling the strings, insisting that the Cavs give big money to Tristan Thompson because he is represented By Lebrons Agency. So for a guy that jumps around like no elite player has ever done in his prime, gets coaches fired/hired, makes Personnell decisions for the Cavs and gets EVERYTHING he wants, it’s kind of Embarressing that he has only been able to win 2 rIngs by running to Dwayne Wades team, where as other stars like Kobe Bryant have Chased Dominant player away like Shaq because he was so intent on proving he can win a championship on his own… Bird, jordan, Magic, Isiah, Duncan, OLAJUWON, none of these stars ever did what LEBRON did to get his ring…. Could you imagine micheal Jordan feeling like he had to join forces with magic and James Worthy to win his only two rings? Of course not
    Even when an elite player like Shaq left Orlando. He left To go to a crappier lakers team, that didn’t have a player as good as penny who he left behind in Orlando.
    If anything LEBRON should have made other great players join him in Cleveland. To go join Dwayne Wades team, an established Champion and Finals MVP was so gutless. Kind of Embarressing that he could only win two titles in miami, and it will be even more Embarressing now that Curry is 3 games away from ending the “Reign of King James”,… Only second place trophies from here on out in Lebrons future

  126. 126 Nailed It! said at 1:42 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Hey at least we know the Eagles have more clout around the league then the Bucs, Jags and Browns. McLeod said he received basically the same offer from those franchises and chose the Eagles.

    Or maybe its that these teams were so desperate for help they were the only ones offering that kind of money….

    Makes you think

  127. 127 Gary Barnes said at 3:46 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    It is going to be interesting to see how Jenkins & McLeod handle playing with mediocre or developing CB as well.

  128. 128 Nailed It! said at 5:43 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    But, if it accelerates the CB’s learning curve then it was an even better move.

  129. 129 wee2424 said at 9:00 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Jenkins has been dealing with that.

  130. 130 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:06 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Yeah I don’t see why this would be any different from what he has been dealing with since he became an eagle. If anything these could turn out to be the best CB he played since joining the BIRDGANG, what CB did we have that was rated higher than Leodis McKelvin? Maybe Maxwell, but chip clearly did a poor job projecting how he would transition to the Eagles defense, where as We have a Defensive Coordinator who has already had success wifh McKelvin who we can expect to already know how to use MCKelvin to the best of his ability..
    Rowe in year 2, Leodis reunited with Schwartz, and Nolan having a yeàr of starting outside CB under his belt could prove to provide the best CB play since Jenkins has been in Philly. Evn Better if one of the young Depth corners happens to be a hidden Gem….. Unfortunately our CB play has been so bad, that Improved CB play DOESNT automatically mean GREAT CB play.. how MUCH better our CB play will be is The big question, but I don’t see why we would have to worry about it effecting malcolm Jenkins…
    Think our cb position is clearly upgraded, to what level remains to be seen. But Malcolm gets to probably play next to the beat safety he has ever paired with. And hopefully schwartz will upgrade the pressure our DL puts on Qbs which makes life easier for the DBs as we all know

  131. 131 wee2424 said at 9:08 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    Haven’t thought about it, but you are correct, this could be the best CB play we have had in some years now.

    While Maxwell did improve throughout the year he was still very up and down, and at times horrible. I’m going to think Mckelvin will at the very least be equal to him. Good chance he will provide some type of upgrade even if it is minimal.

    Rowe will battle it out with Carrol. If Carrol out performs him (doubt it) then he will start over Rowe. Rowe is a pick from a previous regime. Schwartz and Pederson will not keep him in just because draft position. With that said there is no reason to think that Rowe will not put together some serious progression. He looked really good at times for a rookie CB.

    Of course injuries are a very real thing in the NFL. Retaining Carrol was a great move, and absolutely huge for depth at CB.

    It will be very interesting how slot CB plays out. Isn’t mentioned much, but I think it is a solid chance (not ideal) that McKelvin could move into slot during 3 WR sets with Carrol coming in on the outside. He has by far the most experience over anyone else on the team there, and the tools to do so. Would be ideal if Shepherd recovers and earns that, or maybe Mills really manages to impress there.

  132. 132 BobSmith77 said at 2:13 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    OTAs and the interviews don’t really mean anything to me except who isn’t here and why.

    Still curious to see how the Cox thing unfolds and if he is serious about holding out at the start of training camp. I’d bet it would largely shock a lot of people if he did but largely because it has become so common place in the NFL for veterans to report & not hold-out anymore. Hell in the 90s it was almost anticipated that most teams would have at least one veteran hold out and be late for camp.

  133. 133 FairOaks said at 2:21 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    The CBA has made that tactic a losing proposition for players. They start losing significant money if they don’t show up.

  134. 134 Tumtum said at 2:16 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    Ayyyyy thanks for the Gardner thoughts Tommy.

  135. 135 unhinged said at 3:33 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    As a fan, it is my mission to not hear or react to the hype. I am not worried about whether Fletcher Cox signs an extension, a new contract or an autograph. If he’s not on the field this August, the cacophonous outrage will include my hoarse voice. The chatter about how the Eagle QB’s are getting on is just that. “Saying all the right things” is saying nothing about how well a player will play, and nobody can do that, with any certainty, anyway.
    Pro football has become a monumental vendor that has millions of customers, but the game is the thing that kids play on playgrounds, and professional athletes play for money. How is it that this seductively simple game has become a gargantuan commodity? It’s as if master marketers have transposed the playground into stadia, but could not maintain the innocence and fun of the former. Selling and buying and ranting and pontificating have supplanted playing and spectating. And the commenting goes on.

  136. 136 EaglesGameBalls said at 11:02 PM on June 3rd, 2016:

    I remember when I posted on this blog there would be 300 comments it’s such a bore. Hard to even get over 100

  137. 137 Fufina said at 8:09 AM on June 4th, 2016:

    It is the dead part of the year – most people are not stupid enough to get hyped by OTA talk, and know Cox deal is going to run and run – so there really is not much to talk about until training camp.

  138. 138 EaglesGameBalls said at 11:21 AM on June 4th, 2016:

    Trust me if I was active on this board it would get lit ip. But I am bored of all these faqqot

  139. 139 wee2424 said at 10:13 PM on June 4th, 2016:

    You have to keep in mind the time of year. Add to the fact that T is putting out more articles then recent years (more then I can remember) during this period of time in the off season, so the comments are more distributed amongst the articles.

  140. 140 PORCH MONKEY said at 8:49 AM on June 6th, 2016:


  141. 141 MagHelpsHubby.... said at 3:19 AM on June 4th, 2016:

    “He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life. ” Muhammad Ali. One of the few boxers we watched in our house.

  142. 142 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:52 AM on June 4th, 2016:

    I met Ali when I was 7 years old and he was still champion. That man was a true sports hero and all class. May he rest in peace.

  143. 143 Aaron said at 11:05 AM on June 4th, 2016: