Day 2 of Minicamp

Posted: June 9th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 58 Comments »

Another day of practice, another step closer to the Eagles being the best team in NFL history. Okay, there may be a tad bit of hyperbole in that statement, but this is spring football and being a bit delusional is okay. The Eagles defense did have a stron day. We’ll start with some details from Jimmy Bama.

• All afternoon long the defensive line batted passes at the line of scrimmage and the defensive backs had pass breakups in the secondary. A few of the batted passes I saw were by Bennie Logan, Connor Barwin, and Myke Tavarres.

The pass breakup list is looong. Jalen Mills had at least three, Denzel Rice had two, Jordan Hicks had one, Mychal Kendricks had one, Najee Goode had one, Ron Brooks had one, Leodis McKelvin had one, and Jaylen Watkins dropped an easy pick, although that would also technically count as a pass breakup. The Eagles’ defenders were very active today – and physical. Impressive showing from that side of the ball.

• To expand on the notion that the defense was physical today, there were several times when defenders brought skill players to the ground, which they’re technically not allowed to do. Leodis McKelvin brought down T.J. Graham, Mychal Kendricks brought down Chris Pantale, and Jordan Hicks brought down Brent Celek, all while trying to break up passes.

• Jalen Mills looks like he might be a player. He plays with confidence, trusts what he sees, and goes after the football. He doesn’t look at all like a rookie, which kind of makes sense, seeing as he has played for years with so many other talented defensive backs at LSU. Today he got reps with the ones.

• Nolan Carroll practiced in team drills for the first time this offseason. He too got some action with the ones, coming in on nickel situations.

Players aren’t supposed to be hitting at this time of the year. But all teams have some limited contact. You can’t run a football practice and avoid all contact. That’s just not going to happen.

Jim Schwartz is a tough, veteran coach. He’s going to push his players to push the rules. It sounds like he and the other coaches may have gotten on the defense overnight. That or the defense just magically started playing tougher and more physical for no reason at all. Doug Pederson wants toughness and physicality. He’ll be happy his coaches and players are pushing the rules.

At the same time, Pederson doesn’t want things to go too far. This is a time for installation and fundamentals. This time of the year is more about teaching than toughness. You don’t want the physicality and “toughness” to distract players from learning their jobs and the scheme.

I’m encouraged by what we’ve heard about Jalen Mills. I think he might be one of those rookies who really pushes for playing time. He’s athletic and instinctive. He’s tough and has solid size. He is naturally aggressive. At DB, those traits can be just as important as experience. I keep saying this, but Mills started for 4 years at LSU and that’s not to be taken lightly. Dude can play.

On a side note with Jimmy Bama.

How funny is that?


Jeff McLane is up next.

Chris Pantale has emerged as a dark horse to make the 53-man roster. Well, actually, he’s no underdog anymore. Doug Pederson has already singled out the tight end twice. He has also mentioned not only that he might keep four tight ends, but also that he could dress all four on game days. Pantale’s usefulness on Sundays will come, in part, because (if) he can play fullback. Pederson has plays, particularly near the goal line, with a lead blocker. Pantale isn’t exactly built like a fullback (6-foot-5, 254 pounds), though. He has made a number of nifty grabs this spring, and pulled in two passes with one hand on Wednesday.

Pantale is a player the Eagles added last year. Ryan Day was the QB coach at the time and had coached Pantale at Boston College. The Eagles were impressed enough by what they saw to keep Pantale around. Wait…I thought they had to get rid of all players added under Chip Kelly? I’ll be glad when that silly notion is long gone. Pantale will have a lot to prove in Training Camp. He’ll be able to show off blocking skills as a FB and TE. He’ll also get to do some STs work. The Eagles don’t need a fourth TE, but the point of building a team is to keep the best 53 players. Pantale has a chance to be part of that group if he plays well enough.

— If Pantale makes the roster, Pederson might be inclined to carry only three running backs. Ryan Mathews and Darren Sproles are locks. That leaves either Kenjon Barner or fifth-round rookie Wendell Smallwood, unless undrafted rookies Byron Marshall and Cedric O’Neal surprise. Barner dropped two short passes on Wednesday. Smallwood is a better receiver. We’ll see how they run once the pads are on in camp. Sproles had a number of agile moves. On one rush, he gave Aaron Grymes a little shake and the rookie corner nearly fell over himself.

The problem with keeping someone like Pantale is that you have to go light elsewhere (RB or WR or OL). Pantale won’t be competing with just a RB or TE, but rather all the fringe players. He needs a strong summer to keep himself in roster contention.

Barner could be a key person in this battle. He needs to play really well this summer to secure a spot and put pressure on the coaches to make the right decision.


Finally we have notes from Tim McManus.

2:50 — With nowhere to go, Bradford pulls the ball down and runs to the right side for a gain of around 15 yards or so. This leads Josh to wondering what the longest run gain of Bradford’s career is. I set the over-under at 19 yards. He takes the under. The answer?

Twenty three yards back in 2013. Down goes Paunil.

I would have taken the over. If a defense has their back to the offense, all it takes is one small move to get by the initial traffic and then the QB has some room to work with.

3:13 — The defense’s dominance continues. Bradford attempts a pass down the left side but Ron Brooks is there and nearly comes up with the interception.

3:23 — Daniel helps the offense save some face before exiting the bubble, lofting one to Chris Givens near the right sideline before zipping one down the seam for Pantale, who makes his second pretty catch of the afternoon.

That’s it for today. Minicamp comes to a close with a final practice tomorrow.

Brooks is a player that interests me. He was mostly a STer in Buffalo. He has 74 career tackles and 7 pass breakups. Those aren’t good numbers for a someone with 47 games under his belt. Jaylen Watkins, he of 8 career games, has broken up 5 passes. Maybe the change of scenery is bringing out the best in Brooks. Or maybe he’s just having a good spring and will go right back to being a STer.

Brooks was a good playmaker out of the slot for LSU. It isn’t as if he’s a guy with no talent.


Sam Bradford had a short PC yesterday.

He didn’t say anything compelling, but it feels like he is getting more and more comfortable with his situation. Forget about the Broncos. Forget about long term deals. Focus on here and now. Focus on what you can control.

I’m still not sure exactly what to expect from him this year. I think playing in Chip’s system was good for him, but it wasn’t the best fit. If he can combine what he learned last year with playing in a system that fits him better, Bradford could play the best football of his career. Obviously the bar isn’t set sky high with that comment, but I guess part of the problem with Bradford is that we don’t know what his ceiling is. He’s always had some issues to overcome.

More than anything, I want Bradford to stay healthy so we can see what he can do. Was the 7-game stretch from last year as good as it gets or can he take his game to a higher level?


58 Comments on “Day 2 of Minicamp”

  1. 1 Day 2 of Minicamp - said at 8:59 AM on June 9th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor Another day of practice, another step closer to the Eagles being the best team in NFL history. […]

  2. 2 Corry said at 9:18 AM on June 9th, 2016:

    So which one of you guys is Donnie Jones?

  3. 3 Ark87 said at 1:52 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    He’s that God damn troll, I know it!

  4. 4 ChoTime said at 1:59 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    1. he didn’t like Chip
    2. he said he was a big, strong guy
    3. he did write like a football player

  5. 5 Ark87 said at 2:17 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Strong reason to be contemptuous of Eagles fans in an anonymous manner

  6. 6 Corry said at 6:15 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    He’s also not a huge part of the game except for punting so he could comment during the games at any time.

  7. 7 Cafone said at 2:24 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    I’m Howie Roseman irl

  8. 8 MattE said at 3:37 PM on June 9th, 2016:


  9. 9 Dominik said at 9:37 AM on June 9th, 2016:

    More than anything, I want Bradford to stay healthy so we can see what
    he can do. Was the 7-game stretch from last year as good as it gets or
    can he take his game to a higher level?

    Well, it’s in his and our best interest if he stays healthy and plays at least as good as in the famous 7 game stretch. More $$$ for him and, that’s what I care about, higher draft pick(s) for us.

    I don’t know if anybody realizes (or maybe forgot during the Bradford “holdout”) that Howie had planned to get some of the picks he just invested back via trading Bradford, from the moment he pulled the trigger on the Wentz trade. The 2 year deal was better than the Franchise tag for exactly that reason. How the market will look in February 2017 – nobody knows that. But we know that QBs who show some potential can lead to head scratching moves by QB-desperate teams – in salary and draft pick compensation.

    I think it was exactly the right move from Howie to demand 2 2nd rounders for him when the Broncos called. Of course there was a very good chance we’re not getting them this year, but that’s the mindset you’ve got to have as a negotiator. And IF Bradford plays 16 games like he played the last 7, that won’t mean he’s a Top 10 QB, but it will mean he will make crazy money and we will get very good draft picks.

    In theory (!!), this will lower the cost for Wentz significantly. We and the Dolphins (getting the best player in the draft at #13) could be the big winners of the draft trades. Could…

  10. 10 Fufina said at 9:42 AM on June 9th, 2016:

    While we could get a nice return for Bradford it is utterly out of the Eagles control and i doubt Howie is ‘planning’ for a return.

    Bradford needs to stay healthy, play well, there to be at least 2 teams interested in his services and willing to commit big resources to get any kind of solid return on Bradford.

  11. 11 Fufina said at 9:47 AM on June 9th, 2016:

    Does anyone else find the Broncos handling of Von Miller weird? Apparently they have agreed in principle a $115mil 6 year deal – which i think is quite a bit less than Von Miller would get as a free agent next year. So why only offer him a 2 years of guarantees?

    Young Elite players with proven production and no real injury concerns seem like people you can get that 3rd year of guaranteed money to (especially when the dead money in the deal will make it a very hard cut in Y3). Guaranteed money is not ‘guaranteed’ against suspension so i find it very strange that they are messing up a deal over the 3rd year guarantees when they are near certain to keep him then.

    For Miller with just 2 years guaranteed it may make sense to do a 1 year Franchise tag deal with Denver (removing threat of another tag) to get him into camp – and then get 3 or maybe 4 years of guaranteed money in free agency in 2017.

  12. 12 anon said at 9:57 AM on June 9th, 2016:

    already has a ring so i think they is probably more important

  13. 13 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:56 AM on June 9th, 2016:

    I’d be insulted if I was VON miller…. Anything less than 60mil in Guarentees is a spit in his face

  14. 14 Sean Stott said at 12:32 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    1. Von Miller does have injury concerns. He’s undersized and has already had a torn ACL.

    2. Broncos are being too cheap. They were too cheap in trying to get Bradford, balking at the Eagles asking price. Now they’ll have to go into the season with Sanchez and a rookie QB.

  15. 15 RogerPodacter said at 1:34 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    hasn’t he also had some problems with banned substances? (can’t remember if drugs or PEDs).
    i read somewhere, can’t remember where, that his next offense would be a 1 yr suspension. Denver would be smart to add something to the contract to protect themselves from that, and i’d bet Miller wouldn’t be too happy about it.

  16. 16 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:38 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Yeah suspended for 4 games… Next time its a year long suspension

  17. 17 unhinged said at 2:17 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    The situation is somewhat analogous to Eagles with Fletcher Cox. Eagles don’t have the Lombardi, nor do we have the defense that Denver puts up, but Miller and Cox are their respective units’ best performers. Cox is going to get a whole lot of love, I think, but douche bag Elway has more keepers in his fold, more mouths to feed, as it were. If I were Von, I’d definitely reject the offer. Douche bag will ramble on about a “communication breakdown”, but Miller should tell Johnny boy, “Babe I’m gonna leave you”, and next year go out through the in door.

  18. 18 Gary Barnes said at 3:37 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    It may be a Good Times/Bad Times scenario

  19. 19 unhinged said at 7:11 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Yeah, either dancing days or traveling riverside blues.

  20. 20 Gary Barnes said at 3:35 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Weird? No, they just won the SB so Elway has plenty of PR cover to revamp the team and try to build a more sustainable roster.

    Signing guys to massive long term deals is not always the best way to achieve that goal especially when a ring was just won so the player’s value is at its highest point.

    That is why they encouraged Peyton to retire, let most of their other FA walk and balked when Osweiler wanted mega $$. They drafted a young QB and will build around him while doing what they can to reasonably sustain the D. Miller will sign with them eventually, but they are not going to overpay which is smart IMO.

  21. 21 Fufina said at 5:25 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    I don’t really agree – they have the $$ agreed the question is if the 3rd year gets fully guaranteed, which considering the player is on track for the HOF, is still young and the contract structure will be hard to get out of due to signing bonus in Y3 anyway makes little sense to me.

    If they said we cannot spend $19mil a year on a DE i could accept that. The fact they are going to possibly let him walk because they do not give him market value of guarantees considering his production seems nonsensical.

  22. 22 eagleyankfan said at 11:06 AM on June 9th, 2016:

    “Was the 7-game stretch from last year as good as it gets or can he take his game to a higher level?” — we keep clinging to that terrible reference. As posted previously — if you take the best 7 game stretch of the rest of the NFL qb’s — Bradford still ranks 21st when comparing “best 7 game stretches”….
    When CK traded for Bradford – some of reasoning was injuries and constant shuffle of coaches…now the reason Bradford was up and down last year was another “bad fit”….Does this show a pattern? Is it that Bradford just isn’t good? In 2016 we’re going to find out. No more excuses.

  23. 23 P_P_K said at 12:04 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    “In 2016 we’re going to find out.”
    I completely agree. For the sake of discussion, what happens if he stays healthy and proves himself to be the elite qb he was predicted to be out of college? What if he plays two stellar seasons and takes the Eagles deep into the playoffs? Then what?

  24. 24 Cafone said at 2:14 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    That would be a good problem to have.

  25. 25 eagleyankfan said at 3:07 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Pay him a TON of money or let him walk. They spent a ton of resources for Wentz. He can’t sit the bench 3 more years after Bradfords two years(can he?). I’d imagine Bradford would want a long term contract. Or are you thinking after 2 stellar seasons that they trade Wentz? What a mighty web that would be…sure would be fun(especially the part of Bradford bringing the Eagles deep into the playoffs).

  26. 26 Gary Barnes said at 4:00 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Bradford will not play here for two seasons. If he excels, Bradford will be traded for the best deal they can get after this season.

    A major value of a young QB is his comparably cheap rookie contract which allows a team to shift significant cap $$ to other areas of the roster to help the team win during that period.

    The Eagles have way too much invested in the QB position this year; no way they carry that for another season. Daniel is already here to play if Wentz is not ready next season. They need to invest in other key defensive and offensive positions.

  27. 27 P_P_K said at 7:50 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    You’re right about the plan — Sam is a stopgap. But, what if? What if he turns out to be a top 5 qb? Top 10? Can you let a guy like that walk away?

  28. 28 Gary Barnes said at 10:57 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Yes, because the likelihood of that happening is ultra slim and it would only be one season within a very mediocre career. No way would it be smart to keep or extend Bradford based on that. They invested beavily in Wentz and need to leverage his rookie deal to improve the talent throughout the roster in order to have any chance to win any time soon. This team is not good enough to win consistently this season.

  29. 29 Mac said at 12:04 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    I think Tommy’s quote, and your analysis are both correct.

    Bradford could “perform as well as the 7 game stretch Bradford” i.e. not good, but maybe good enough with a great defense.Or Bradford could perform worse than that less than mediocre performance.Or Bradford could play better than that and show that he may have a high ceiling. Or he could just get hurt and end his career.

  30. 30 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:33 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    No idea why anyone would think that it’s even possible to have seen the best Sam was Capable of last year with all the factors against him he had to overcome.
    There is no doubt in my mind that we will see a BETTER Bradford. The question is how much better? Enough to make a significant difference? Marginally better? Sam will certainly be “Better”, we just DONT dont know what “Better” really means in this case.
    Btw, he clearly played the position better than his second half stats indicate.
    This kid had everything stacked Against him last year, I don’t care who the fuck you are, you DONT sit out for two years, rehab all offseason, start practice at the beginning of August on a new team, learning a new offense with all new teammates and,take the,field 3’weeks later when the season starts and play to your full capabilities… It doesn’t work that way. NOT EVEN CLOSE. That’s how video games work, not the real world. Certainly not the hardest position in all sports. The fact that this is even a debate is ridiculuos..
    How much better will Sam play is the real discussion. hopefully it’s enough to make a significant difference, but unfortuantely THATS not a given.. Be great if What Sam has to work with(play calling, OL, weapons) proves to be better than what he had to work with last year, but we can definitely be confident that there is more to Sam than the QB we saw in 2015. There is no doubt.

  31. 31 eagleyankfan said at 3:02 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Better OL, more time to prepare(compared to last year) — even with a new offensive scheme — we should see better results for sure. That’s the hope. That and stay injury free…lol

  32. 32 ChoTime said at 2:01 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Much more damning is that Bradford’s magical 7-game masterclass actually would only rank him as average QB for the whole year. In other words, at his very best, he was average. But that’s not how statistics work.

  33. 33 eagleyankfan said at 3:00 PM on June 9th, 2016:


  34. 34 Cafone said at 2:19 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Yeah, in 2016 we will find out. But the tone of your post suggests that playing in Chip Kelly’s unorthodox failure of an offense behind a patchwork line aren’t legitimate considerations when analyzing Bradford’s performance last season and I disagree with that.

  35. 35 eagleyankfan said at 2:59 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Understood. Does that patchwork OL count in his “magical” 7 game stretch?

  36. 36 Cafone said at 5:00 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    yes, but I didn’t consider that stretch to be magical. He went from crap to ok.

  37. 37 Gary Barnes said at 3:52 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    It was reality that last year was the first in the last three he had been healthy and needed time to not only adjust to playing again, but to a new system and a new coach. He clearly got more comfortable as the season went on and took on more responsibility.

    This season he again has a new system and coach and I’d argue the offensive unit is pretty meh again this season outside of parts of the OL, Ertz and the two Matthews.

    But, in the end, it does not really matter, since this is Wentz’s job and team as soon as the org deems him ready. That will happen this season IMO. We’ll try to get max value for Bradford, but every team knows the situation and will therefore likely play low ball or the waiting game with the Eagles.

  38. 38 Aaron said at 12:09 PM on June 9th, 2016:


  39. 39 Lord of the Rings said at 4:12 PM on June 9th, 2016:


  40. 40 Aaron said at 4:23 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    we got business?

  41. 41 daveH said at 9:33 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    1st comment next post .. next 5 posts

  42. 42 Sean Stott said at 12:30 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Side note for uni fans, LSU has one of the best uniforms in football. Always love watching them.

  43. 43 the DONALD said at 3:09 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    uni fans = Sports fashionistas

  44. 44 MattE said at 3:37 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    are you Donnie Jones lol?

  45. 45 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:39 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    I enjoyed Sam’s press Confrence,,, Great to hear him rave about Pederson, sounds to Genuinly be building a great relationship with Doug. He talked a little about how their relationship is much stronger having gone thru the holdout drama, multiple Occassion he really Raved about how Pederson has handled his temper tantrum, describing Pederson with phrases like “All Class”, “First class all the way”. clearly Pederson is earning Sam’s trust, respect and admiration. No idea if Pederson knows how to coach, but it certainly seems like he knows how to earn the respect and admiration of his players

  46. 46 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:37 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Bradford also talked a lot about the freedom Doug has given him at the line of scrimmage compared to having to Sacrafice that freedom in the name of tempo last year. When you hear returning players talk about freedom to audible vs chips tempo, the phrase you hear often is “Less wasted plays”, but what also comes with freedom to audible is Sam could see a chink in what the defense is showing, audible into a play that takes advantage of the defensive weakness, so not only can audibling lead to less wasted plays, but it could also provide opportunities to make big plays. In hindsite, kind of crazy that we completely sacraficed all of that in the name of Tempo.
    Sure there were times that tempo caught the defense off guard which worked in our favor, but it has to be a really crappy feeling to get to the Line Of scrimmage and realize that the play call is a disaster for what the defense is showing, and not be able to change the play. I wonder how many Costly mistakes resulted from times when Bradford saw that the,defense had the perfect play call for what we were about to throw at them, and had to go thru with the play anyway? In a game where mistakes can be so costly, im sure glad we are transitioning away from Quantity of plays, to focus more on Quality of play…
    Bradford said that last year it was really all about KELCE. Kelce made his call. And Sam had to react and just Go… Where as This year it’s about using KELCE AND Bradfords brains to always get us in the best play possible for what the defense is about to throw at us, and since both Sam n Kelce known for solid football IQ, im more than willing to Sacrafice constant tempo to put that Football IQ to use…
    Think Chip has learned anything and will Sacrafice some tempo to add a little audible freedom to try and cut down on Wasted plays? Or will he completely double down on his football philosophy and not do anytning different? Chip DOESNT even have close to the talent he had to work with in Philadelphia, and he will be playing in a division THATS certainly much tougher than the NFC East has been since chip arrived in Philly. So with less talent against tougher competition, and another year for defensive coordinators to better figure out how to defend chip, it’s going to be a real TRAINWRECK if his ego keeps him from making changes and he doubles down on what he did with the Eagles.
    Besides Bradford, I think Ertz and SPROLES have the most to gain from the coaching change on offense. Everyone knows how much production the offense has gotten out of Travis KELCE, no reason why Ertz can’t enjoy similar success.
    Chip had his strengths and weakness, but my biggest surprise was Probably how poorly he used SPROLES in the passing game. We thought SPROLES would have been the ultimate weapon for chip kelly, no one could have imagined that chip would use SPROLES so poorly. This was a weapon that can catch around 80, 90 balls per season, and chip practically Nuetered him in the passing game. It’s almost like chip was trying to be spiteful or prove how much smarter he is because from the time SPROLES was added, the media made it clear that like everyone they,figured SPROLES was most valuable to us in the passing game. Often asking chip Questions about him as a reciever, but I remember on a few occassions chip correcting the media and making it clear that he was a running back, not a WR….and even after his first couple games as an eagle, we saw SPROLES value as a RB, but fans and Media were waiting, figuring that was just the beginning and we would end up seeing SPROLES unleashed in the practice game, but other than a wheel route, that never Happened. I don’t know if chip was trying to show that he was smarter than Sean Peyton, or just being a contrarian to media and fan expectation of SPROLES, but he was Probably the most misused offensive player during chips regime, and what’s really sad is that his drop off in production DIDNT seem to be a case of him slowing down.
    SPROLES couldn’t possibly have been happy here with Chip. Wonder if he would have demanded a trade if Chip was still the coach, which would be DAMNING considering SPROLES is one of the players you hear chip praise the most for his ability. Work ethic and Charechter, yet even he started to speak up once the season was over. Hearing what has been a team player and a class act make statements like “there will be problems if all 3 RBs are brought back next year, two works, three is too many”.
    Thankful that before SPROLES slows down with age, it looks like we will finally see SPROLES UNLEASHED as the weapon we thought we were getting when we traded for him. Looks like we will see SPROLES in an extensive role, moving all over the formation and he gets to play in an offense that was masterful in its use of Jamaal Charles and Brian Weatbrook as deadly weapons in the passing game. I don’t think we will see 90-100 catches from SPROLES like in New Orleans, but I think he will have like 70 catches, most important defenders can no longer key in on him because chip only had him running the same two routes over and over..
    Bradford, Ertz,,Sproles, Agholar should be the most improved offensive weapons,,. Obviously jordan works too hard to not improve but he has been producing so probably won’t see as much increase as his production as these other guys
    When Chips offense was new to the NFL, we saw Offensive players have career years, but that dynamic has slowly decreased since after year 1… curious to see what kind of numbers Pederson can get out of Sam, Jordan, Sproles, Ertz compared to the numbers the “offensive,Genius” got out of them last year.. And Pederson most likely won’t run as many plays as Chip so it will be interesting to see the Yeàr 3 Chip kelly production compared to the Pederson yeàr 1 production,

  47. 47 Tumtum said at 8:03 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Honestly at this stage in his career, Chip was using Sproles about the right number of snaps. Just stop running him up the middle. That is a keep me honest play, not the meat and potatoes.

  48. 48 wee2424 said at 12:04 AM on June 10th, 2016:

    I think he could have used more creatively such as splitting him out into the slot. Not even at times to get him the ball but to fool defenses and keep them spread out. Sort of like how Reid used Westbrook at times.

    He definitely could have used him a little more, and like I said above could have also used him in more creative ways. It wasn’t like Sproles was showing any type of wear from being used as much as he was.

  49. 49 Tumtum said at 12:39 PM on June 10th, 2016:

    Well we agree he didn’t use him properly. I was hoping for more of Wesbrook or Sproles in NO type role. Snap wise? Keep em low, I like that.

  50. 50 wee2424 said at 10:10 PM on June 10th, 2016:

    If a player is one of your best weapons and isn’t showing any type of ill affect from the amount of snaps he is playing, then why wouldn’t you attempt to give him more snaps?

  51. 51 Tumtum said at 10:52 AM on June 11th, 2016:

    For one he has only been subjected to a partial workload for his entire career. Next, there is pretty solid data on the durability concerns of older RBs. You want to have the guy for 19 games.

    He actually had higher than average touches for his career last season.

    Sure you might give him 200 touches and he could do well with it. I dont think his track record indicates you will yield positive results going that route.

  52. 52 Cafone said at 2:12 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    That’s how you build a secondary: keep bringing in DBs from the SEC and eventually you find starters.

  53. 53 MattE said at 3:38 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    Donnie Jones: If you see this, beers on me during the BYE WEEK this year.

  54. 54 Tumtum said at 8:02 PM on June 9th, 2016:

    OG sleevster

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  58. 58 wee2424 said at 12:32 AM on June 10th, 2016:

    Slot CB should be an interesting camp battle. Would really like Mills or Shepherd to step up and win it. That would be ideal. I don’t like Carroll at slot as many others do. I just do not think he is a natural fit for it. To me he is strictly an outside CB. I don’t think he matches up well against smaller/quicker WRs. Especially when he would be unable to jam them which is a very common handicap that a slot CB has to consistently deal with.

    I have said numerous times, but many do not seem to agree that McKelvin could start on outside and then move into slot in nickel formation with Carroll coming in on the outside. Obviously this is not as ideal as Mills or Shepherd impressing and winning the job outright, but it does put the most experienced and accomplished player at slot in that position.