Game Review – PS# 1 – PHI 17, TB 9 – The Offense

Posted: August 16th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 317 Comments »

What a huge win, right? So good to see the Eagles atop the division. Yeah right. You’d rather win than lose, but the game on Thursday was hardly a game tape that coaches will be breaking out for years to come. At the same time, we do have to remember that this was the first game under a new coaching regime and with totally different schemes. It wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense if things were totally smooth and polished.

For some perspective, read about Andy Reid’s first preseason game here.

Or here.

The Eagles lost 10-7. Bobby Hoying led the best drive of the game for the Eagles. Chris Fontenot made the big catch and run. How many people honestly remember Fontenot? After 3 games that preseason, the Eagles had scored a total of 29 points. Ouch. There were some ugly days in Big Red’s first year.

Back to the Bucs game. I’m not going to cover every player. If there is something noteworthy to share, I’ll do it.


Sam Bradford – Had Ertz wide open for a first down (possibly a TD), but instead dumped the ball short on his only pass.

Chase Daniel – Didn’t play well but it is really hard to figure out how much of that is on him. Had to deal with poor blocking and poor play from his receivers. They didn’t get open often enough and struggled with catching the ball. Still, Daniel didn’t help matters. He didn’t have a great presence on the field, which I had anticipated because he knows the offense so well. He also made some bad throws. Daniel did run for a short TD.

Carson WentzI wrote about Wentz for  Short version…showed big time talent, but also that he’s raw and needs plenty of work. I certainly came away feeling good about him. You can teach QBs a lot, but you can’t teach them natural talent, and Wentz has plenty of that. You know Bradford and Daniel had to be sitting there watching him and thinking “I wish I could do that.”


Ryan Mathews – Picked right up where he left off last year. Terrific 1-cut runner with good burst. Ran hard and broke tackles. Could have a big year if he can just stay healthy. 2-15 with a TD.

Kenjon Barner – Solid showing. 7-35 on the ground. Ran well inside and outside. Ran through initial contact multiple times. That’s important for a RB like Barner, who some see more as a scatback type. Had 2 passes thrown his way. One was an overthrow. The other was a catch that got wiped out by a penalty. Tried to chip block a DE in the 2nd Qtr and whiffed. Didn’t jump out at me, but looked like a solid rotational back. Also the KOR and PR. Had a 13-yd PR and a 47-yd KOR.

Cedric O’Neal – Didn’t have great blocking, but went 5-16. Moved the chains on 3rd/1 run. Showed solid burst and wiggle for a RB that is 215 pounds. Looked better than I expected.

Byron Marshall – I was hoping to come away with a better feel for Marshall, who played both WR and RB in college. Only 5 carries for 6 yards. Didn’t have much of a chance on some of those plays.


Brent Celek – Drove DE Noah Spence about 7 yards downfield on early run play. Do you need to know anything else?

Zach Ertz – Had a really nice 19-yard gain on pass from Wentz. But Ertz’s real highlight was his blocking. Had the key block on Mathews TD run. Blocked well on other run plays. Looks like the light may have gone on for him as a blocker. Failed to catch high pass from Wentz late in the half. That might have cost the Eagles a shot at a long FG.

Trey Burton – Quiet game, unfortunately. I was really hoping to see him get the ball in his hands. Did a good job on the early TD run.

Chris Pantale – I was pleasantly surprised. Jimmy Bama has been down on him recently, but I thought Pantale showed some potential in the game. He played both FB and TE. Blocked effectively from both spots. Not shy about attacking his targets. Form does need work. Caught one pass on a crossing route. Ball was behind him, but Pantale reached back, secured it and then held on when hit. Has to take it up another level to seriously challenge for a roster spot, but solid showing.

MJ McFarland – Another guy who surprised me. McFarland looked agile and athletic while running pass routes. Caught a short pass over the middle and turned that into a gain of 16. Had defender all over him, but stayed focused and made a good catch.


Very disappointing performance from this group. No one expected to see Fred Barnett or TO running around out there, but the WRs really struggled to get open. When they did, they struggled to hold onto the ball. Make sure you go read Jimmy Bama’s outstanding piece on Rueben Randle’s awful night.

Sadly, Randle wasn’t alone. Josh Huff had the ball stripped from him after a nice catch and run. Nelson Agholor tried to block LB Levonte David on a screen and got destroyed. TJ Graham had a drop. At least he played hard on STs.

Paul Turner – Fun to watch. Lacks size and speed, but Turner is a natural receiver. Runs smooth routes. Shows a good feel for getting open. Plays faster than he times. Gets in and out of his breaks quickly. Catches the ball smoothly. Led the team with 6 catches for 34 yards. As much as I like him, I need to see more before I know whether he is a legit threat to make the roster. Being a good backup/3rd stringer is very different from being someone who plays in real games and can help the team.


The starters were only on the field for 3 snaps. They did a good job, for whatever that’s worth.

Andrew Gardner – With Jason Peters out and Matt Tobin running with the 1’s, Gardner played with the 2’s. Terrible game. I loved him in 2014 and 2015 as a RG, but he looked completely overwhelmed at LT. Whipped over and over.

Isaac Seumalo – Backup LG. Not the debut he was looking for. Way too sloppy. That said, he did have some moments. Has a really good combination of size and strength. Good athlete. Check out this impressive reach block that Fran Duffy shared on Twitter.

Seumalo gets off the ball really quickly. He engages his blocker and then maintains contact for 20 or so yards. That kept his guy from making the play. You can see the raw talent the coaches love. Still made too many mistakes. Had one play where he inexplicably turned away from a rusher and that guy hit the QB. I have no idea what Seumalo was thinking. When he did get his hands cleanly on the defender, usually won. The potential is definitely there.

Josh Andrews – Up and down game. This is his third preseason with the Eagles. He’s played plenty of summer football so expectations are a bit higher with him. Snapped the ball early on one play. Had some other plays where he got pushed around. Got hurt in the 2nd half and didn’t return.

Stefen Wisniewski – Disappointing. Heard lots of good things about him this spring and summer. Didn’t play to that level on Thursday night. Was going against a mixture of starters and backups. A player with Wiz’s combination of talent and experience should have played better. Had some good moments. Had some good run blocks. Can move his man when he fires off the ball and makes good contact. Flashed good athleticism on some other blocks. Talented, but inconsistent.

Dennis Kelly – Watching the game broadcast, I thought he had a really rough night. Looked better when I studied the tape. Let too many rushers get into his body. Still won most of those battles, but allowed himself to get pushed back. Had some really good run blocks. I don’t think people understand how athletic Kelly is. Must drive the coaches nuts that someone as big and athletic as him can’t play at a higher level.

Dillon Gordon – Was inconsistent as blocking TE at LSU, but is now playing LT in the NFL. Crazy. Looked better on Thursday night going against DL than when he was a TE in college. Has really taken to pro coaching. Incredibly raw, but you can see potential. Bends his knees and moves well. Uses his hands aggressively. Footwork is okay. Plays with a wide base, which can make him vulnerable to power rushes. As you would expect, had some issues when rushers used moves on him (spin move for example).

Barrett Jones – Played LG. Love his frame and showed some movement skills, but needs to be bigger, stronger.

Bruce Johnson – 3rd string C. Took over when Andrews got hurt. Up and down performance. Had a bad snap that could have been costly, but Wentz got rid of the ball. Due to the injury, came in with no warning. Looked nervous. Settled down and had some good moments.

Darrell Greene – Disappointing. Big, strong OG prospect who the Eagles gave a big bonus to after the draft so they could secure his services. Greene looked to be at fault on the Red Zone INT. He shoved his defender to the inside, but then stuck with him rather than seeing other defender looping. That player pressured Wentz into the bad throw. I thought Greene would look more polished than he did. Showed good strength/power on some blocks. Has an NFL body.

Halipoulivaati Vaitai – Big V was the #3 RT. Not a good debut. Had problems with his footwork. Looked very good at LT as a Senior at TCU, but was somewhat awkward at RT on Thursday. Didn’t consistently use his hands well. Looked stiff and slow at times. Needs to step his game up to push for a roster spot. Still has long term potential, but looks like a project right now.


Defense will be posted on Tuesday.


317 Comments on “Game Review – PS# 1 – PHI 17, TB 9 – The Offense”

  1. 1 Game Review – PS# 1 – PHI 17, TB 9 – The Offense - said at 12:48 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor What a huge win, right? So good to see the Eagles atop the division. Yeah right. You’d rather […]

  2. 2 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 12:50 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Disappointing (but not surprising) to see all of Howie’s new linemen flailing around, from early picks to UFAs to vets.

  3. 3 Baloophi said at 1:09 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Turned on the Olympics only to see former Eagles linebacker Shawn Barber excelling in a new discipline…

  4. 4 Stephen E. said at 9:51 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    I see he identifies as a ginger now.

  5. 5 SteveH said at 12:15 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    He’s become much more pale since leaving the NFL too. Too much indoor training?

  6. 6 Dan in Philly said at 6:27 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Funny line from the Reid game, McNabb taking about how the booing in the draft was all behind him. Lolololololololololololol.

  7. 7 eagleyankfan said at 7:39 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Announcer kept saying that the WR’s can not get open on their own…..

  8. 8 bill said at 8:10 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    I heard that, but I also noticed that some of that was on Chase; he clearly doesn’t trust himself to throw into NFL windows or to anticipate cuts. I was really disappointed in what I saw from him. Yes, the OL in front of him was awful, but he was several cuts below 2014 Nick Foles under similar circumstances.

  9. 9 eagleyankfan said at 9:00 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    That and I’d imagine the offense is still “plain”. Don’t want to show their hand before the season starts…

  10. 10 BlindChow said at 10:27 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Yeah, watching some of the other games this weekend, I saw plenty of QB’s throw to receivers who were “covered” but still managed to either fight for the ball or break on their route after the ball was thrown.

    Not sure whether our problem is more coward QB’s afraid to throw an INT or another WR coach who can’t teach how to run routes.

  11. 11 eagleyankfan said at 10:35 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    now just wait one second. Greg Lewis played for the Eagles – so he’s an outstanding coach. Isn’t that how it works? Isn’t that why former players “deserve” to be a HC?

  12. 12 Weapon Y said at 11:17 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Brian Dawkins for head coach. He can motivate people! That’s how it works, right?

  13. 13 A_T_G said at 8:22 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    You are right, Tommy, Fontenot became a footnote.

  14. 14 Dave said at 8:40 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Chip seemed to be more concerned with growth mindset instead of skill set when it came to WR evaluation. I said this in the last thread but it bears repeating, Paul Turner is the new Greg Lewis…slow and undersized, but with natural hands, who could earn a roster spot due to the ineffectiveness of the other receivers. On top of that, I can’t see a situation right now where Huff or Agholor deserves to be in the game over Trey Burton.

  15. 15 Gary Barnes said at 1:59 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    emotional intelligence

  16. 16 P_P_K said at 9:45 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    I’m getting aboard the “This offense needs to go through the TEs” bandwagon.

  17. 17 the DONALD said at 9:54 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    DGB for Dennis Kelly???!!! huge eagles win!!

  18. 18 Fufina said at 9:58 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Well the Titans must have wanted him gone, since he unquestionably has much higher upside than Kelly does at this point. Generally these kind of trades happen for players both teams do not think will make their rosters, so we probably should note have any expectations.

    Didn’t watch much of the Titans in 2015, but is an interesting move to try and improve the position that looks one of the worst groups in the NFL. (Also he is the kind of WR you want with Wentz, long and huge able to go up and get the football if he puts a little too much air on it).

  19. 19 Anders said at 10:03 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Im not sure how Dennis Kelly has any value at all.

  20. 20 the DONALD said at 10:21 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    good work Howie..

  21. 21 xmbk said at 11:43 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Titans literally had the worst set of WR in the league last year, so it says something that they gave up on a 2nd year second rounder. Interestingly, he had a key block to spring DeMarco last week. Maybe the Eagles figured that anyone who can get Murray yardage is worth a shot.

  22. 22 Ssakcis said at 9:58 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Wow just read that

  23. 23 mksp said at 10:05 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    DGB was going to get cut. Nice idea from Howie, but we should probably temper our expectations.

  24. 24 Anders said at 10:08 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    It at least show that they aint happy with the current WRs. I mean Dennis Kelly was going to get cut, now we get 3 pre season games and some practice to see if DGB is anything

  25. 25 mksp said at 10:17 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Yep, exactly.

  26. 26 meteorologist said at 12:42 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Dennis Kelly wasn’t going to get cut with Lane Johnson suspended. Didn’t we just give Kelly a one year extension?

  27. 27 the DONALD said at 10:22 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    CUT? no way.. give up on a second rounder after 1 year? psh.. they are going to a POWER running game.. guess they think they need some OL depth w DK… good luck.

  28. 28 mksp said at 10:24 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Wait, are you trolling?

    Obviously they were going to cut him, or trade him for some minimal return. Like Dennis Kelly.

  29. 29 the DONALD said at 10:24 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    I dont troll… so we are going to cut Nelson bc hes stinking it up right now?

  30. 30 the DONALD said at 10:27 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    he was getting FIRST TEAM reps in TC.. yes yes lets just cut him..

  31. 31 The original AG said at 12:50 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Wait, Chip Kelly is running the Titans?

  32. 32 mark2741 said at 12:47 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    You’re making an illogical assumption. He wasn’t going to be cut this year. The guy was a 2nd rounder (picked by the same guy who just traded him). That doesn’t happen after one year, particularly when the guy was not a complete bust his rookie season. He flashed in games at times, but was very inconsistent. Still, the imposing physical attributes are there. Unlike a guy like Agholor, who is not special in any way physically, and didn’t flash nearly as often.

  33. 33 mksp said at 12:57 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    There’s literally tweets from insiders suggesting he was going to be cut.

    He was traded for Dennis freaking Kelly.

    He was like 5th or 6th on their depth chart.

    Jesus christ guys.

  34. 34 mksp said at 12:58 PM on August 16th, 2016:

  35. 35 mksp said at 12:58 PM on August 16th, 2016:

  36. 36 BlindChow said at 10:29 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Power running game? Maybe DGB wasn’t good at blocking.

  37. 37 the DONALD said at 10:36 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    true… murray, henry, and marriota rushing all day.

  38. 38 mksp said at 10:06 AM on August 16th, 2016:

  39. 39 BlindChow said at 10:28 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Sounds like another Randle.

  40. 40 eagleyankfan said at 10:29 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    shows what the eagles think of the current wr’s….

  41. 41 Gary Barnes said at 2:02 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    and what is available on the market unfortunately

  42. 42 Corry said at 10:29 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Check out @MikeTanier’s Tweet:

  43. 43 Corry said at 10:20 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    DGB has issues, but there’s almost no risk for the Eagles. I mean we traded him for Dennis Kelly.

  44. 44 Media Mike said at 12:04 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Seems like the only way to look at it.

  45. 45 oreofestar said at 10:25 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Even if this doesn’t pan out, it’s not like we gave anything up for him.

  46. 46 Dave said at 10:30 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Would anyone have been upset if Josh Huff was traded for Dorial Green-Beckham?

  47. 47 eagleyankfan said at 10:39 AM on August 16th, 2016:


  48. 48 Insomniac said at 11:23 AM on August 16th, 2016:


  49. 49 Ben said at 5:09 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I would have thrown a party, in fact I still might.
    DGB is better than what we have at WR, besides JMatt and that’s not sayin much.
    Glad to have a new player whose light might come on just yet.
    Getting anything for Dennis Kelly is a plus.
    Getting a 2nd round WR from last years draft for him?
    That’s a steal.

  50. 50 Nailed It! said at 10:33 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    I do not think anyone should be upset with this deal! I hate his off the field issues and pushing a woman down a flight of stairs in abhorrent but this is the NFL where these issues are not uncommon. If he can bring out more talent from Agholor in competition then we have immediately upgraded the WR core.

  51. 51 BlindChow said at 10:37 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    [DeMarco Murray runs for a 71-yard TD in preseason]

    TITANS: this is working out great, have any other guys you want to trade?

    HOWIE: well…

  52. 52 Dude said at 11:49 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    This one made me laugh out loud! Good stuff, dude.

  53. 53 peteike said at 1:06 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I gotta say I was impressed with Derrick Henry highlights. I know Ill end up taking a flier late in fantasy only to regret it later as the Titans cant get first downs all season

  54. 54 myartz04 said at 10:40 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Trade probably won’t work out, but it’s still a great trade. Maybe he can channel his inner Chris Carter.

  55. 55 GermanEagle said at 10:54 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Every Super Bowl winner of the last 50 years had at least one DGB on their team!

  56. 56 P_P_K said at 1:14 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    If this is true, it’s incredible.

  57. 57 mksp said at 11:06 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    God this team is going to be awful this year.

  58. 58 Nailed It! said at 11:18 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Someone pee in your cheerios this morning?

  59. 59 GermanEagle said at 11:38 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Because we traded the almighty Dennis Kelly who may have not made the cut this year?!

  60. 60 mksp said at 12:10 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Because we’re making desperation trades for guys like DGB?

  61. 61 Media Mike said at 12:13 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    What’s the risk? We already knew the WR group was going to be weak.

  62. 62 GermanEagle said at 12:16 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I think he’s referring to the ‘character concerns’ which is overblown in my eyes.

  63. 63 Media Mike said at 12:17 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    He’s not in the druggie program, so at least he still gets a freebie on that front before he’d get suspended.

  64. 64 GermanEagle said at 12:15 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    He’s a young guy with upside. While Dennis Kelly is…Dennis Kelly! I’ll take that trade any day of the year.

  65. 65 mksp said at 12:43 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    There’s nothing wrong with the trade, it’s a great trade.

    But it’s also indicative of the lack of talent on this team.

  66. 66 peteike said at 1:05 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    certainly indicative of the dumpster fire at WR. The coaches even know it and are admitting to it with this move

  67. 67 Ben said at 5:10 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    If losing Dennis Kelly is a desperation move then were in more trouble than I thought.

  68. 68 RobNE said at 11:07 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    ok setting aside all the sarcasm etc., can someone tell me who this new WR is and is he any good and should I be happy? I mean, I get that Dennis Kelly wasn’t doing much, so this is at least a chance at someone better. But I only really follow the Eagles, so someone tell me something.

  69. 69 RobNE said at 11:11 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    ok I read Kempski’s article. Seems like the kind of player Chip Kelly would never take. And I find some pleasure in that.

  70. 70 anon said at 12:05 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Huge, fast. Had off the field issues in college – basically missed half of his college career. He was up and down first year — 1st round talent but you’re getting him for Dennis Kelly so i’d temper expectations.

  71. 71 Insomniac said at 11:32 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Would have been nice if Howie could have gotten Kendall Wright too.

  72. 72 anon said at 12:04 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    or Marcus Mariota.

  73. 73 Media Mike said at 12:27 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    That would be the ultimate troll job by Howie on Chip.

  74. 74 Rambo said at 11:49 AM on August 16th, 2016:

  75. 75 Rambo said at 11:51 AM on August 16th, 2016:

  76. 76 Dude said at 11:52 AM on August 16th, 2016:

    Looks like Tajae Sharpe must be the real deal in Tennessee.

  77. 77 D3FB said at 12:30 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Hands are like 7″ though

  78. 78 anon said at 12:03 PM on August 16th, 2016:


    Boom-or bust candiate, but Howie must have dirty photos of Tennesse’s GM. Maybe after Demarco’s pre-season run Tenn was feeling good about that last trade..

  79. 79 SteveH said at 12:15 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    “Kenjon Barner – Solid showing. 7-35 on the ground. Ran well inside and outside. Ran through initial contact multiple times.”


  80. 80 Media Mike said at 12:19 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Tommy didn’t say anything wrong there. But Barner will never be higher than Sproles and Mathews on the depth chart and we’re not cutting Smallwood. There isn’t a reason to keep Barner on the team.

    And Josey / Moster would have been 7-70 with the blocking that Barner did 7-35 with……………….

  81. 81 peteike said at 1:04 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    sure there is, when Mathews inevitably goes down its probably Barner over Smallwood.

  82. 82 Media Mike said at 1:08 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    No thanks. I’d rather have Smallwood playing.

  83. 83 Media Mike said at 12:24 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Thursday night should be fun.

    Kelce vs. 6-7 / 350 McCullers
    Brooks vs Cam Hayword
    Sem vs. Tuitt
    Barbre Doll vs. Bud Dupree
    Peters vs. Jarvis Jones

    Bradford should stay home.

  84. 84 SteveH said at 12:29 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Sam Bradford – Had Ertz wide open for a first down (possibly a TD), but instead dumped the ball short on his only pass.

    Ahhhh… This warms my heart. Glad to see Sammy Sleeves hasn’t let the turbulent off-season change him a bit.

  85. 85 Media Mike said at 12:32 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Further making him more and more like Alex Smith……………….so I’m still expect two 2s when we trade Bradford this off-season.

  86. 86 anon said at 12:33 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Pass could go both ways, Fran was like better safe than sorry in the red zone since the defender was between Ertz and the other receiver.

  87. 87 peteike said at 1:02 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    ya when I rewatched the replay I saw that too after reading about it but cmon, it was his first play of the game right. I dont care at that point, hes just taking whats there to get in a rhythm. And Id be the first to bash him any other time

  88. 88 ChoTime said at 2:04 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    The difference between good and not-so-good quarterbacks are sometimes things like this.

  89. 89 The original AG said at 12:31 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I don’t know if you guys follow the other blog, but both writers are now working for ESPN.

  90. 90 anon said at 12:32 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Interesting Tim go the Eagles job, would much prefer Sheil (no offense).

  91. 91 Media Mike said at 12:32 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Sheil got a much better job covering the Seahawks.

  92. 92 The original AG said at 12:35 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    It’s a shame, because I really liked him covering our team.

  93. 93 Media Mike said at 12:32 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I saw this. What happened to Phil Sherridan covering the Eagles at ESPN?

  94. 94 The original AG said at 12:33 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Not sure, but I didn’t think he was very good. This is at the very least an upgrade.

  95. 95 HawaiianEagle said at 12:37 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    He’s now in Tennessee also…

  96. 96 Media Mike said at 12:38 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Major lifestyle downgrade. I’m not trying to live/work anywhere run by a Haslam family member.

  97. 97 BobSmith77 said at 10:44 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    He got let go this offseason it looks like and replaced by McManus. Imagine he is in a tough place right now.

    Mid-50s, sports journalist, and doesn’t have the online persona or local gravitas to command a primo gig in a shrinking and hypercompetitive market.

  98. 98 SteveH said at 12:38 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Awesome for Tim. He deserves it, lots of hard/good work to get there.

  99. 99 BobSmith77 said at 10:42 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Always wondered just how much of a pay increase it is for a local guy like McManus to move to ESPN. Certainly imagine the benefits are better at a large company like Disney.

    Love to see the numbers too on the number of ‘local hires’ ESPN has by sports vs total hires as they have increasingly tried to increase the Internet coverage & make it more locally relevant to compete with regional and local media outlets.

  100. 100 ChoTime said at 1:59 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I wonder, too. I know a guy blogs for Huffpost, and they don’t pay anything (as in $0).

  101. 101 Media Mike said at 12:33 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I’m also looking forward to (hopefully) seeing my boy Travis Feeney in action on Thursday night for the Steelers.

  102. 102 D3FB said at 12:34 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    He’s got zero shot according to some people I trust who follow the team. They straight up don’t get the pick after watching him in camp.

  103. 103 Media Mike said at 12:37 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    because he’s not really a 3-4 LB; he should be our SAM.

  104. 104 D3FB said at 12:47 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    30lbs from now.

  105. 105 Media Mike said at 12:49 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    only needs 20. Bradham in 240, Feeney 220.

  106. 106 D3FB said at 12:47 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    We’re an Allen Barbre ankle sprain away from regretting this trade. Kelly is a flawed player but capable of playing.

    Really not into DGB. It’s all uspide until he ends up on the front page for some bullshit.

    Here’s Galko predraft:

    -I wrote a background piece on Dorial Green-Beckham over at Sporting News. If that isn’t concerning enough, here’s what I couldn’t say there: He was
    caught with weed on two separate occasions, once with a pound, arrested
    just once, and those chargers were dropped. Concerns over potential
    failed drug test at Missouri that may have been swept away linger. As it
    was described to me, he “Manziel’d” and “Mathieu’d” Missouri, allowing
    him to have more influence and less restrictions on his behavior because
    of his star power. His history of getting away with offenses with
    minimal penalties and his domestic violence incident at Missouri is
    awfully concerning.

    -Staying with DGB, I’ve heard that his domestic violence issue stemmed his girlfriend caught cheating on him with his teammate. At Oklahoma, “lazy” and “serious bad attitude” were some of the words described to me about his time there by someone close to the program. I was told the story that he left Oklahoma because his offensive coordinator left doesn’t seem accurate, and it’s more likely that this was his plan all along, as his mother/brother need medical bill assistance. Others I have spoken with have vouched for him as a
    good kid deep down with a strong support structure now that just made
    some poor decisions. Still it should be hard for teams to overlook these
    repeated concerns.

  107. 107 mark2741 said at 12:50 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I just hope he “Mathieu’s” the Eagles. If so, it will have been a steal!

  108. 108 Media Mike said at 12:51 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Thank you for the context. I’m not sure I see Dennis Kelly as safe to put on the field as you do. If Barbre were to be injured, wouldn’t Tobin have been the first tackle in rather than Kelly anyway?

  109. 109 D3FB said at 12:52 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I think Tobin would play LT Kelly would have been RT. As we’ve seen now Tobin is far more comfortable playing on the left hand side.

  110. 110 Media Mike said at 12:56 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    gotcha. I just never saw Kelly do much of merit when given the chance on the field.

  111. 111 D3FB said at 12:58 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    He really struggled coming off the bench. Had some decent moments when starting.

  112. 112 Fufina said at 1:05 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    In the press conference they were being very positive about Big V, and claimed that he has shown a lot in camp (even if he had all kinds of issues in game).

    The only thing that makes me to a degree comfortable about our OL situation was how good Ertz/Celek have looked blocking in camp and in limited reps last week. Playing Double inline TE’s who are decent blockers but legitimate passing weapons as well should allow a lot of support and protection to the OL.

  113. 113 Media Mike said at 1:07 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Pumping up Big V like that is very cheeky on the part of the team. He seems a year way from being a year away.

  114. 114 D3FB said at 1:07 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    And with Kelly that would have been ok. But Vaitai is raw and TE’s can hurt guys who aren’t all the way there mentally yet.

  115. 115 anon said at 12:52 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Blah Blah Blah – no off the field stuff last year. My biggest issue is no work ethic.

  116. 116 D3FB said at 12:53 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Blah blah blah pushing women down a flight of stairs is no big deal. Nothing to see here. Hell it’s not like he killed her.

  117. 117 anon said at 12:54 PM on August 16th, 2016:


  118. 118 The original AG said at 12:55 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Question is can they keep him out of trouble? What did Pitt do to keep Big Ben in line?

  119. 119 anon said at 12:55 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Get him married.

  120. 120 the DONALD said at 2:19 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    DGB has a young kid.. maybe thatll put some “grow your butt up” into him..

  121. 121 Gary Barnes said at 2:15 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Ben had several incidents with women that got him into trouble.

  122. 122 The original AG said at 2:54 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Yeah, I was wondering what they did because we haven’t really heard anything over the last 2-3 years.

  123. 123 Nailed It! said at 12:56 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Does anyone in the NFL even bat an eye at this stuff anymore? Puhlease…

  124. 124 Nailed It! said at 12:59 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Not condoning his actions at all just more of a statement on where we are at with allot of NFL players and overlooking there problems.

  125. 125 D3FB said at 1:01 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    There is probably 30-50 real shit head players out of 1800.

  126. 126 Media Mike said at 1:06 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I’ll take the first 10

    Cam Newton
    Eli Manning
    Dez Bryant
    Riley Cooper
    Martavious Bryant
    Big Ben
    Tom Brady
    Lane Johnson
    Greg Hardy

  127. 127 The original AG said at 1:07 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    How come you don’t have Barner on there?

  128. 128 Media Mike said at 1:08 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Because he really shouldn’t be in the league; duh.

  129. 129 SteveH said at 1:01 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Is this maybe a looking towards the future trade? Even if we lose Barbre this year its not like we’re shooting for a championship, and maybe DGB has more long term upside for us? We’ve had plenty of time to see what Kelly can do, so I can only assume we’ve decided he’s not good enough to be in our long term plans.

  130. 130 D3FB said at 1:03 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Bad WR play will bog down an offense, bad Tackle play will get someone seriously hurt.

    And there is very much a step down from Kelly to Vaitai.

  131. 131 anon said at 1:04 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    we don’t care – future QB not playing this season. Team is clearly a mess.

  132. 132 D3FB said at 1:06 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    And when Sam gets hurt, you can’t trade him and if he doesn’t pass a medical you’re stuck paying him batshit insane money next year.

  133. 133 SteveH said at 1:07 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    True, I wonder what his trade value is. I think we would have pulled the trigger on a trade this year if the offer was good right?

  134. 134 SteveH said at 1:05 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Sinister thought but maybe Howie doesn’t care if Sam gets hurt lol.

  135. 135 Mitchell said at 3:13 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Doesnt seem like that bad of a story compared to others honestly and besides you are biased toward lineman in the first place.

  136. 136 D3FB said at 3:46 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I mean we could just get Sammie Coates on waivers in 3 weeks.

  137. 137 Mitchell said at 3:50 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Lol, we noth know Beckham is more talented and I dont see why Coates would hurt considering they have now.

  138. 138 Insomniac said at 5:35 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Do we really need 6 WRs with bad hands though?

  139. 139 Mitchell said at 8:16 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Are there any out there with your “good” hands?

  140. 140 Insomniac said at 8:29 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Just so happened to get one today. They’re out there.

  141. 141 Anders said at 3:22 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Dennis Kelly was most likely going to get cut unless something crazy happened, so getting anything of value back is great

  142. 142 D3FB said at 11:43 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Ehhhh I don’t think so.

    Gardener’s restructure means he makes it but Kelly is better than Gardener.

    So right now it’s


    With Vaitai, Gordon, and Andrews battling for 1 or two spots. You could have easily kept Kelly instead of Gardner.

  143. 143 The original AG said at 1:13 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Not sure if this was mentioned before.

  144. 144 Media Mike said at 1:13 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    why aren’t his claws out?

  145. 145 P_P_K said at 1:15 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Not game day.

  146. 146 The original AG said at 1:15 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    As a follow up.

  147. 147 Fufina said at 1:22 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Which makes sense as it allows him to be around the team while they train him to be able to scout. Think they start him off working with team, and doing character evaluation as part of the pro scouting staff. During which time you can start the process of doing pro-scouting training so he can do more of the on field evaluations starting in 2017.

    Doubt he does any primary scouting for college outside a little bit around the Denver and Clemson (where he should have great access).

  148. 148 SteveH said at 2:25 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I like this role for Dawk. He seems like the kind of guy who would enjoy a pet project.

  149. 149 Media Mike said at 1:16 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    No Mills on Thursday night.

    And SHOCKER; no Kendricks.

  150. 150 phillychuck said at 1:22 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I think the Eagle’s back-up plan at RT is to move Celek to tackle. They have 6 functional to excellent tight ends, and Celek is one heck of a blocker. So if Barbre doesn’t work out…don’t be surprised.

  151. 151 Fufina said at 1:23 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    he is a hell of a TE blocker… not a RT at all, and it wastes his ability as a receiver, where he is one of the few quality blocking TE’s in the NFL who actually can run good routes and catch balls.

  152. 152 Media Mike said at 1:24 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    “wastes his ability as a receiver”

    You know we’re talking about Celek; right?

  153. 153 Fufina said at 1:31 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    In the context of his blocking ability he is a very good receiver. I trust him to run the right route and to catch the ball, and since that will nearly always only be with a LB where the 3rd read will be covering him (play run, RB as a receiver and then Celek as a receiver) that should be plenty good enough to be an effective and annoying weapon for other defenses.

  154. 154 Media Mike said at 1:33 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I love the guy and what he’s done for this team, but his last two seasons:


    That doesn’t seem to have annoyed too many defenses.

  155. 155 Fufina said at 1:35 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Think that is decent production for his role – most blocking TE’s don’t get that kind of production. A lot of those receptions sustain drives and keep a defense off balance helping the run game and opening things up for RB’s in the passing game.

  156. 156 Media Mike said at 1:37 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I’d tend to agree; but those stats aren’t putting money into anybody’s pocket.

  157. 157 BlindChow said at 6:27 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Well, he can’t throw the ball to himself…

  158. 158 Media Mike said at 1:24 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    That’s funny. But Celek would need to gain 60 lbs.

  159. 159 Sean Stott said at 2:24 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I’m sure LJ can hook him up with something that will do the trick.

  160. 160 D3FB said at 1:25 PM on August 16th, 2016:


    Really hope this isn’t a serious post.

  161. 161 Tumtum said at 2:26 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    How Rosenman trading away all the good white players??? Omg

  162. 162 Fufina said at 1:27 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    It is a very interesting trade, that makes a lot of sense if you contextualize it looking at 2017, but may not be the best result for the 2016 Eagles.

    Kelly was a FA next year, has shown enough in limited reps that teams would want him on a roster at cheap contract, so would be hard to bring him back as camp competition if you like some of the players you have on the roster currently and you expect to draft OL again in the 2017 draft. I think the Eagles looked at him being in all likelihood gone in 2017.

    DGB is a lottery ticket for 2017 moving forward, i doubt he is going to be able to get serious playing time in 2016 in a west coast system which needs good crisp route running which he has yet to show he can pick that up in 2 years so will struggle in 2 months. I imagine the hope is that this will be the shock that he needs, will commit to the X and O’s side of the game and that in 2017 he can start to show his potential, and he is a great fit for Wentz early in his career where he is going to throw high at times and having a tall and long WR who does well going up and catching balls will be a huge asset.

    Short term (first 10 games of the year), i imagine this makes us worse – since Kelly is an OK Tackle back up and i doubt DGB is going to be able to contribute seriously early in 2016.

  163. 163 Media Mike said at 1:28 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    That makes sense.

  164. 164 Tumtum said at 2:25 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Hopefully sends a stern meaaage to the WRs here.

  165. 165 Sean Stott said at 2:51 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I’m thinking that’s the idea.

  166. 166 anon said at 2:29 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I think they saw what they had in Reuben Randle. Don’t know if you need DGB to run routes – Sammy can just chuck jump balls at him.

  167. 167 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:17 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    17 yards per catch last year,…. He is the jump ball. Big play weapon we lacked..
    If im Howie, the moment DGB arrives at Novacare, Id bring him in a Room with Celek. DAWKINS, MIKE quick, Carmicheal, Greg Lewis, jordan Mathews and put a support system around him in place. This kid has a world of Talent, but it sounds like we need to teach him how to be a pro
    This kid is almost Zack Ertz size and he runs like a 4.4
    Hard to imagine Howie could have gotten a kid with more upside for the price we paid

  168. 168 anon said at 4:36 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Reports are that he knows JMATT and AGS, i think he might have done summer workouts with him. Also trade pops the day Dawkins comes in full time. It’s about to go from choir boys to new jack city a novacare.

  169. 169 Julescat said at 2:48 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    who has more catches this season?
    Hands of Stone Agholor?

  170. 170 Tumtum said at 3:03 PM on August 16th, 2016:


  171. 171 The original AG said at 1:32 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I know I am Captain Obvious with this, but this is about par for the course.

  172. 172 Media Mike said at 1:34 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Nice, so I get 2.5 quarters of game to figure out exactly what version of the 53 man roster is going to save the team from my wrath!

  173. 173 SteveH said at 2:07 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    once Lane Johnson gets suspended nothing can save them.

  174. 174 Media Mike said at 2:10 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I have MANY other position groups to nit pick

  175. 175 Sean Stott said at 2:27 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    DGB sounds exciting, but I never thought Kelly was that bad. Is he a starting LT? No, but he’s a reasonably competent backup swing tackle. I hope DBG fulfills his potential.

  176. 176 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:53 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    dennis Kelly will get your QB killed.
    Baffles me how he managed to survive so many regime changes, guess it shows the blatant lack of depth we have had on our OL the past 5 years.
    If you need Dennis Kelly to play more than two regular season games. You are screwed

  177. 177 anon said at 2:28 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    “From where we are from a pick standpoint going forward we’re going to have to take some changes” HR

    ‘I’ve never interacted with [DGB] but Pederson has” – HR.

  178. 178 SteveH said at 2:30 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Did he mean from a draft pick standpoint?

  179. 179 anon said at 2:55 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    yeah — should be chances in stead of changes

  180. 180 anon said at 2:57 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    If DGB ends up being worth playing, Eagles' top 2 WRs could be 6'3 and 6'5. 4/6 starting CBs for Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins are sub-6'0.— Jimmy Kempski (@JimmyKempski) August 16, 2016

  181. 181 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:10 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    We could put GIANT lineups out on the field.
    A package of DGB, ERTZ, Burton, Jordan, with Tiny SPROLES catching passes out of the backfield. Getting lost amongst the land of Giants

  182. 182 RC5000 said at 3:28 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    If only we kept Momah sigh.

  183. 183 Ben said at 5:25 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I was thinking the same thing about Alejandro Villanueva. I am pretty sure he’s the starting LT in Pitt now.

  184. 184 RC5000 said at 6:53 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Well I was being facetious tbh.

  185. 185 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:31 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I’ll be surprised if there are more than 2’WRs in the NFCeast who will have a bigger 2016 season than Jordan Mathews… I just think he is going to be amazing this year

  186. 186 bill said at 9:26 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    I think this is a big part of their reasoning. Looking at the OL for this team (assuming Lane is suspended, and that Jason Peters misses at least as much time as he has the last two seasons), there are going to be games where the QB is going to have to just heave the ball at his first read over and over, because he’s only going to get 2 seconds before he gets forcefully planted into the turf. Big receivers who can fight for the ball, at least to break up INTs, if not for catching it, will be necessary.

  187. 187 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:09 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    This is such an odd trade. Had we gotten this Kid in the draft, think eagle fans would have been thrilled.. But it’s tough to let yourself get too excited about this because of how fishy it is to see a a bad team like the Titans give up this high upside Talent a year after drafting him.
    I feel like we would be more excited had we traded away more value for him, but since it’s tough to understand how we got this kid for so cheap, eagle fans are rightfully skeptical… But hopefully for us, this trade is a wake up call for the talented young man. Hopefully veterans like Celek, Harold Carmicheal, MIKE quick, Brian Dawkins and even a driven yoûng workaholic like Jordan Mathews take this kid under his wing and sorround him with a support system because if they can keep him out of trouble and get his work ethic where it needs to be, this has the potential to be a major steal. I would have cut Dennis Kelly two years if it were up to me, so this is like we were gifted one of the most talented WRs in last years draft. This is basically a free lottery ticket but if we can get this kid to realize his full potential, this would go down as a major steal of a trade
    He is raw and new to the west coast offense so it will take time to grasp the playbook and get comfortable, but Im sure the Eagles will dumb it down for him initially, to get his talent on the field.
    For an Offense that lacked big play ability, this kid comes with a 17yard per catch average, so im sure they will find a way to keep it simple for him and get him on the field week 1
    Individual not many of our weapons scare teams, but we are going to be able to put some Giant pass catchers on the field between ERTZ, DGB, Jordan, Burton, agholar, with Tiny SPROLES getting lost among the trees
    I expect a monster season for Jordan mathews and a career year for ERTZ while re-establishing SPROLES as a serious weapon in the passing game, so we don’t need DGB or Agholar to carry the passing offense, they just need to do damage as complimemtary weapons this year while hopefully continuing to develope to take on more significant roles in the future
    I wonder what effect this trade has on shaking up the WR. With us keeping 3 or 4 TEs, we might only keep 5 WRs, in which case their will be an odd man out between jordan, nelson, Huff, DGB, Givens, Randle, so WRs probably aren’t feeling as safe and secure as they were a week ago
    I like what Howie is doing, we have enough high Charechter veterans who have been together a few years. So our locker room should be strong enough to be able to take fliers on high upside talent that comes with some questions
    Can’t believe all it took was dennis Kelly, good Riddens, and hopefully this ligjts a fire under the asses of our WRs…

  188. 188 The original AG said at 3:17 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    If Randle has one more bad game like he did in the first game, I could easily see him getting cut. I think with Brian Dawkins working closer w/the players – I think this kid might be a project for him. We don’t need him to be Jordan Matthews workaholic, we just need him to know the playbook and stay in shape. Plus, coming into a better market might get him to push a little harder (we hope). Though considering that his work ethic has been questioned since high school, Dawk has a huge project on his hands.

  189. 189 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:21 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Im not sure about that. Could be, but I think Randle will be judged more on what they see in practice, I dont really think his preseason performamce will factor into our decisions regarding Randle because he is like a 4yr veteran who has started every game, and it’s not uncommon for veterans like him to go thru the motions in the preseason with their primary focus on getting to the regular season Healthy.
    The Eagles have like 65 NFL game films of Rueban Randle to evaluate and a bunch of practice sessions in philly under his belt… Think fans are mistaken thinking that PS games will have any bearing on what we decide to do about a veteran like randle.
    I think his preseason play doesn’t even matter. How he practices and the last 4 seasons of game film will determine if he is here or not. I think he is safe

  190. 190 peteike said at 3:35 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    really, even with the way he was released from the Giants. Hes coming here with a label of taking plays off, disinterested, then goes out in the first preseason game and acts disinterested. I hope youre right but I wouldnt put him the category of veteran whos earned anything, hes on a 1 yr prove it deal

  191. 191 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:49 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Personally, I would hate to see a veteran in his prime suffer a serious injury because he was playing like a madmen in preseason games.
    At the end of a preseason game, before I even bother looking at the stats, the #1 thing on my mind is did we get thru the game without losing any important players to injury…. If we get thru a preseason game completely healthy, I consider the game a success. yoûng fringe players like Ed Reynolds need to go all out in the preseason, Not veterans like Randle. It’s so much more important for me that he gets thru the game healthy, I don’t really care if he has a monster game… Because not for nothing, but if Randle goes out thursday Night and kills it catching 11 passes for 160 yards, guess what Everyone will say? “no big deal, it’s just the preseason”… So if we don’t praise quality preseason PERFORMAMCES why the hell would I overreact and get bent of out of shape when a veteran of 65 games is disinterested in the preseason and cares more about self preservation?
    A veteran like Randle can sit out the entire preseason for all I care as long as he is ready to go week 1. I don’t know about you, but regardless of what he does this summer, im still interested in seeing what he looks like this year on a Prove It deal
    If Randle were to sit out the rest of the preseason, I’d probably still want to keep him over Josh Huff, and if we plan on keeping 6 WRs, then we will probably keep both
    Can’t make too much of the preseason. Impossible to know who is going all out. Who is going thru the motions just trying to get to the season healthy, MY EVALUATION of Rueban Randle won’t start until week 1, if we had a deeper more talented WR room, maybe I’d care more about the preseason performance, but regardless how bad he looks in preseason game, come week 1, you can’t tell me he isn’t going to be one of our 3 or 4 best WR options to put on the field

  192. 192 peteike said at 4:16 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Oh for sure, I am taking nothing from the preseason. I was just surprised to read that he was doing that in his first game with a new team. Doesnt have to go crazy with effort but also not show the opposite. I hope they keep him also and I was actually hoping he’d step up for us. Hes made some nice catches in practice it sounds like and if anything, we need guys that can hold onto the ball. It was just a bit unnerving to hear that this soon, all that matters is what the coaches think at this point. Hope they are in same boat as you

  193. 193 RC5000 said at 3:34 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Lazy players are hard to change but Randy Moss made a career out of it. Moss would just stop running his route among many things.

    Thing is DGB was somewhat productive. Had 30 catches for first downs.

    I wonder how out of shape he is.

  194. 194 Insomniac said at 3:48 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Moss kept himself in shape.

  195. 195 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:06 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    If Lazy Rueban Randle gives us the 8 touchdowns his lazy ass gave to the Giants last year, I’ll be thrilled

  196. 196 RC5000 said at 3:10 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Don’t know if brought up but we got that 2nd round pick back from Bradford trade…DGB was 40th pick.

  197. 197 RC5000 said at 3:24 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    So we traded Nick Foles and Dennis Kelly for Bradford and that is my fantasy and I’m sticking to it.

  198. 198 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:13 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Marcel Dareus, 4 game suspension for marijuana… SMH

  199. 199 Mitchell said at 3:15 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Dumb that marijuana is viewed as something worse that alcohol and dumb that he was unresponsible enough to use it while making millions.

  200. 200 The original AG said at 3:40 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I don’t know how it wasn’t rescheduled.

  201. 201 Media Mike said at 3:54 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    MASSIVE failure by the DEA.

  202. 202 Sean Stott said at 3:58 PM on August 16th, 2016:


  203. 203 RobNE said at 4:42 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Big Pharma

  204. 204 bill said at 9:20 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    A lot of peoples’ jobs in the DEA and in local police forces depend on the war on drugs. Anything that scales the WoD back threatens the careers of a lot people. Not going to happen until Congress gets motivated to address it.

  205. 205 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:59 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Such a stupid fuckin reason to keep some of the best players off the field.
    In a sport where so many players are lost to injuries and arrest every year, the last thing the NFL needs is frivolous reasons to keep more players off the field… In a league where Doctors Hand out Percocet and narcotic pills, to suspend a player for 25% of the season over marijuana is caveman type stupidity

  206. 206 Sean Stott said at 5:37 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    They’d rather have them take heroin – err, sorry, opiates – for pain. That way, when they are out of the league (avg 3.3 years), and no reasonable doctor will prescribe them more opiates, they can just get cheap heroin off the street.

  207. 207 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:29 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Im tired of holding people to moronic standards, im done supporting ridiculous rules. If a rule is absurd, we should be vocal about trying to get it changed, not support the NFLs moronic rules when a player gets caught breaking a ridiculous rule
    I hope the top 10’Qbs piss hot for Marijuana, watch how quick that caveman rule is changed,
    Too long, our society has been accepting of ridiculous rules. Im done crucifying NFL players when they fail to live up to rules that shouldn’t even be in place in modern 2016 AMERICA

  208. 208 Sean Stott said at 3:59 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    It’s funny how everyone is picking on Randle for taking the game off. Isn’t Fletcher Cox famous for that?

  209. 209 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:02 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    If Rueban Randle goes out Thursday and gets 11 catches for 150yards, everyobe will say “so what, who cares, it’s only preseason”…. Yet when a veteran like him just goes thru the motions focusing on getting to week 1 healthy, fans want to crucify him.
    I care more about veterans like him getting to week 1 healthy, than I care about him performing in PS Games…. Preseason is for young players and guys fighting for depth roster spots

  210. 210 RogerPodacter said at 4:24 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    isn’t randle here to fight for a depth spot?

  211. 211 Sean Stott said at 5:23 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Other than Matthews who could legitimately claim to be a better WR than Randle? Dude has WR2 pretty much locked up unless DGB kills it.

  212. 212 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:14 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Pretty funny to see fans act like he isn’t easily one of our 5 best WRs this year.. Lol in what was considered a bad year, he practically had more TDs than our entire group of WRs combined last year lol.
    When Josh Huff is set to make the roster, ridiculous to be talking about cutting Randle who’s on field ability currently Dwarfs that of Huff
    In what world is randle not one of our 5 best WRs at this weak position group? Booo hoo he didn’t play hard enough to entertain us in a preseason game, cut him immediately! Lol

  213. 213 A_T_G said at 4:42 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Would you put him on the 53 man roster today?

  214. 214 Sean Stott said at 5:11 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Over Agholor and Huff, yes.

  215. 215 anon said at 2:00 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    It’s sucks b/c both of those players flash MAJOR talent.

  216. 216 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:13 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    I don’t care what I would do… Im interested in what the decision makers will do, and yes my expectation is that he will be on the team. Not because he is a world beater but because he will easily be one of our 5 most Capable WRs on game day

  217. 217 eagleyankfan said at 5:55 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    But it’s not just the game. Reporters going to camp started on RR before the pre-season game. Are the reports biased? Maybe. But the reports before the game was played said that he is showing no urgency while practicing. Is he just pacing himself? He’s new. One would expect him to put forth a better effort to get notice first, then slack off….

  218. 218 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:12 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    I have seen him make some pretty big catches in practice, only to get home and see the media write that he did nothing in practice.
    I think Rueban is safe for this year, not that I really care either way

  219. 219 peteike said at 4:21 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    reputation matters in that context. I agree they can get through preseason not getting injured, but they also dont have to take the opposite approach of putting in some effort. Esp coming in with a reputation but its not so much what we think but the coaches.

  220. 220 anon said at 4:33 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    No evidence that RR turns it on in-season. Plus he’s fighting for position – but i hear you.

  221. 221 A_T_G said at 5:37 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I don’t think you can call it turning it off for a game until he actually turns it on first. When he establishes himself as a Cox-level contributed, he can mail it in occaisionally in PS.

  222. 222 Sean Stott said at 5:51 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I just don’t think that’s a valid argument, it’s a No True Scotsman argument. Shouldn’t Fletcher Cox not turn it off until he is at a Reggie White or Jerome Brown level? Ya know, earn the shitloads of money he’s making?

  223. 223 A_T_G said at 5:59 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    But Cox doesn’t have a scouting report saying that his last team cut ties with him for the same stuff throughout the season.

  224. 224 A_T_G said at 6:10 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    How about this, then, instead of a No True Scotsman argument lacking objective criteria.

    1. How confident are you that we will get 100% effort out of Cox when he is on the field during the season?

    2. How confident are you that we will get 100% effort out of Randle when he is on the field during the season?

    For me, the numbers are not the same.

  225. 225 Sean Stott said at 7:11 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I honestly don’t know and am not refuting what you’re saying. I just don’t see proven talent level as something that on-field effort needs to be weighed against. Either laziness is bad, or it isn’t.

  226. 226 A_T_G said at 8:14 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Fair enough.

  227. 227 Ark87 said at 10:40 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Context is everything. If you mail it in when you’re among the best in the league, you don’t like the preseason. If you mail it in with your career on the line, you don’t like football, or you don’t realize this is your last stop in the NFL if you can’t separate yourself from one one of the worst WR groups in the league, then you’re dumb. Either way is fair game.

  228. 228 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:18 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Id say 4 years of starting experience, 8 TDs last year, and playing on our weakest positin group gives Randle every right to not care about the preseason and worry about getting to september healthy

  229. 229 Ark87 said at 9:40 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Got to keep those legs fresh for that couch he will be sitting on in October?

  230. 230 Anders said at 9:49 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    You do know that Randle did the same things in real games last year for the Giants? and at LSU?

  231. 231 Birds4Life said at 9:17 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Cox wasn’t just let go by the team that drafted and employed him for the last 4 years because he would take plays off. Randle was though. Its one thing to take plays off in the preseason, trying to stay healthy. Its another thing when it is a consistent theme throughout your career.

  232. 232 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:19 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Let go? Didn’t his contract just expire and they decided to replace him with a cheap rookie contract? Or was he actually cut?

  233. 233 Birds4Life said at 9:22 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    They didn’t resign him or make any attempt to. So he was let go.

  234. 234 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:22 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    His contract expired. He wasn’t “Łet go”… Did we “łet Maclin go”??

  235. 235 Birds4Life said at 9:30 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    He was a 2nd round pick that they choose not to resign. You are just arguing semantics. OK, he wasn’t “let go” but his former team wanted nothing to do with him. What’s your point, what else did I saw that was incorrect?

  236. 236 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:35 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    His CONTRACT expired… Do you know what conversations his agent had with the Giants? Do you know if an offer was made? If so what type of offer was it?
    How do you know Rueban Randle didn’t want a change of scenery?
    Randle would have been the second best WR on our team last year if you haven’t noticed

  237. 237 Birds4Life said at 9:46 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    He signed a 1 year deal with us for $1 million. Do you know what conversations his agent had with the Giants? Do you know if an offer was made? Stop acting like you know everything. Where did I say that “Randle would have been the second best WR on our team last year if you haven’t noticed” I never said that. All I said was that it doesn’t look good that your former team “didn’t resign” him because he would take plays off. And now in his first game action with his new team, he was taking plays off.

    How many INTs did Eli throw where Randle cut off his routes early? You’ll be bitching here more than anyone else when he does that in a real game.

  238. 238 Birds4Life said at 9:36 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    We tried to resign Maclin, we were in constant talks with his agent, so no we didn’t let him go.

  239. 239 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:37 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    WTF do you know Of what talks were had between Randles agent and the Giants?
    Sounds like you read too much elliot Shorr parks

  240. 240 Birds4Life said at 9:49 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Never read that guy. You must though since you know everything that guy has ever written.

  241. 241 A_T_G said at 4:50 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    So, I think we can all rest easy now, knowing that this is where karma rewards us for allowing Cris Carter to escape his toxic life in Philly and have a productive career elsewhere. DGB will be our Cris Carter.

  242. 242 Dave said at 5:31 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    As long as he has a “fall guy”.

  243. 243 Ben said at 5:36 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    We can only hope this kid is 1/10th of what Cris Carter was.
    This kid has the wheels and height and last season he had six catches against New England, so he has some ability.
    Let’s just hope he makes the team and realizes this may be his last chance to make it in the NFL.

  244. 244 Mac said at 9:59 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Great theory except for this detail: How exactly does one escape toxic life by moving to Philly?

  245. 245 A_T_G said at 10:14 PM on August 17th, 2016:


  246. 246 Nailed It! said at 5:46 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    WR Dorial Green-Beckham was drafted by old #Titans leadership. There weren't issues with him in TEN, just wasn't a fit. Eagles think he is— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 16, 2016

    Rapaport is pretty clued in with management across the NFL, I know it is tough not to read into things but maybe this was a new regime getting rid of old regime players ala Chip Kelly.

  247. 247 Fufina said at 5:56 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Think this is Rapoport being briefed by an agent. You do not trade a 2nd round WR with his raw skills just because he was not a fit in the scheme – especially one which would actually suit him with his size and he actually blocks decently for their super run heavy scheme they are planning.

    “No issues” means he was not a locker room cancer, nor does he have legal issues. It does not mean he was putting in effort or was showing any ability to develop as an NFL WR.

  248. 248 Nailed It! said at 6:31 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    How would you know which no issues the man was talking about? Also, why is it agent driven? Why does the agent need to say anything about his client? He was traded not released he is still on an NFL team with his contract. I don’t get that angle.

  249. 249 Fufina said at 6:55 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I work in PR and media and the phrasing is carefully constructed to indicate something broader while the actual language is more specific, which allows you to imply something that is not entirely true while being entirely factually accurate.

    Agents are expected to constantly manage the perception of the player – and him getting traded for being a poor ‘fit’ is hugely different than him being traded for being lazy or unable to develop NFL skills, and could well have an impact down the line in free agency where it could affect future value or if DGB flames out with the eagles get him a camp invite in 2017.

    Eagles will want to manage expectations for the player and trade, and the Titans hardly want to big up his value since they are giving up a 2nd round pick who put up 500+ yards as a rookie for effectively chump change.

  250. 250 RC5000 said at 6:55 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Well you don’t want your client porttrayed in a negative light.

  251. 251 RC5000 said at 6:43 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I think it was also new regime thing. They may be wanting to change things quickly.

  252. 252 RC5000 said at 5:53 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    He may not be in perfect condition, but he doesn’t look that bad.

  253. 253 Will Mahoney said at 6:16 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I think he was out of shape at OTAs. Hopefully Matthews shares the work ethic with him.

  254. 254 RC5000 said at 6:25 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Oh then I’m not worried then for now. He can compete now and possibly help this year . Some people on twitter were saying he was out of shape i.e. “Eagles got an out of shape WR…”. I’m not saying you want that but I was worried about here and now.

  255. 255 Insomniac said at 7:09 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    To be fair, you can’t judge his cardio just by looking at him.

  256. 256 Sean Stott said at 7:15 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    You should probably put your phone away when you’re meeting your new employers >.<

  257. 257 Ark87 said at 8:56 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Super stoked that Q is with the organization. Great guy, good head on his shoulders.

  258. 258 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:39 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    DGB seems like a roll of the dice acquisition when you need an 11. Long odds he pans out given this spotty background, but the price was a permanent depth offensive lineman. DGB at least has starter as his upside.

    We’d better not lose any more OL or we’ll have to plug Tommy in there at RG.

    I’d be very curious to know if Pederson interviewed him prior to the 2015 draft.

  259. 259 Corry said at 9:29 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    According to Howie’s presser today, Pederson does have knowledge of DGB from the draft process. Howie was also taken out of the draft process during that draft.

    They also did interviews with college acquaintances and not with the Titans (or that’s at least what the reporters are indicating).

    Also, Tommy doesn’t have the mean streak to play RG. He won’t even block the trolls that post in here. I do however think he has the pass block ability to play LG.

  260. 260 RC5000 said at 11:52 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    But you’re not going to get close to an 11 trade in mid August very often.

  261. 261 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:44 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    One further thought – this move ought to light a fire under the butts of our existing WR corps. “You are all replaceable. Cheaply. Now get to work.”

  262. 262 A_T_G said at 8:18 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I think you misspelled “corpses.”

  263. 263 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:00 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Nah, zombies get separation.

  264. 264 P_P_K said at 9:29 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    You’ve been on a roll.

  265. 265 GermanEagle said at 9:09 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    The trade for DGB also means that at least one – if not two – of the following WRs won’t make the final cut:

    Who will be that one (or two)?!

  266. 266 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:19 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    Or DGB. He’s no lock either.

  267. 267 Insomniac said at 10:48 PM on August 16th, 2016:

    I’m pretty sure DGB has a longer leash than all 3 of the guys mentioned above. You don’t trade for him if you don’t believe in him.

  268. 268 Anders said at 2:42 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Also lets be honest, Huff and Randle has shown zero so far

  269. 269 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:53 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    No argument with longer leash, but he’s not a lock to make the roster. Then again, he doesn’t have to show much to pass the 3 stooges German listed.

  270. 270 bill said at 9:12 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    I would think that as long as he doesn’t have a “personality” issue during the next couple of weeks, he’ll be on the opening day roster. But it seems like he had such an issue with the Titans, so that’s certainly not a lock.

  271. 271 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:21 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Of course he makes the roster. He doesn’t even have enough time to learn the offense and actually EARN a roster spot before the season starts… As long as he behaves and comes to work every day he is a lock to make this years roster..

  272. 272 Dragon_Eagle said at 5:32 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    “As long as he behaves…” – so not a lock.

  273. 273 Will Mahoney said at 12:29 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    I think Givens makes it.

    Matthews, DGB and Givens Are the only guys I’m penciling in so far

  274. 274 Dave said at 8:06 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    I believe any of our receivers not named Mathews could easily be traded.

    Come on Chip, you know you want Huff and/or Agholor. Make the call.

  275. 275 Anders said at 8:15 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Do the Niners have anything we want at all? Im not sure they are willing to trade Anthony Davis, but on the other hand, Kelly might already hate him and is ready to cut him

  276. 276 GermanEagle said at 12:33 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    If we could get a starting RT for any of our WRs not named Matthews I will drive Howie to the Bahamas in person.

  277. 277 Dragon_Eagle said at 5:32 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    2nd round draft pick for Huff seems about right if your Chip Kelly.

  278. 278 Bob Brewer said at 3:13 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I don’t. To be traded, they’d have to be wanted.

  279. 279 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:08 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    I dunno,about all that. Would you really be surprised if they keep 6 WRs?

    Hopefully someone like Barner or smallwood emerges as a kick returner making Huff even more expendable

  280. 280 GermanEagle said at 12:31 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Given the quality of our TE’s and the mediocrity of our WRs I will be highly surprised if we kept 6 of the latter.

  281. 281 RC5000 said at 12:35 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Yeah I’d rather keep an extra cb than wr . 7 inactives where you can stash. Usually one or two spots for best players if there aren’t slew of injuries..

  282. 282 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:58 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I think they will go with 5 CB and 5 Safeties since most of our safeties have corner experience. I guess it will depend on if they think they have to give our #6 corner a roster spot, or if we can expose him to the practice squad without being poached… If they think the #6 CB is aaron Grymes or CJ, they might think we can get away with putting them on the Practice squad instead of spending a roster spot on them. I think the 10 DBs will be:
    1) Leodia
    2) Nolan
    3) Brooks
    4) Mills
    5) Rowe
    1) Malcolm
    2) McLeod
    3) Maragos
    4) Watkins
    5) Countess
    And my guess is the try to get Gimes, CJ and possibly JaCorey onto the Practice Squad. And Hope at least two of the 3 DONT get poached
    Although they might like Ed Reynolds enough to make the roster since he is a real safety and not a converted corner like watkins and countess
    Think a roster surprise could be schwartz opting to keep 5 DE’s with MS2 and Means making the team

  283. 283 RC5000 said at 4:08 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I mean McKelvin and Carroll are getting older. It depends how good they think Smith or Grymes or Shepherd are. It’s still fluid too. Means definitely in running for last spot or 2.

    We joke these guys never end up mattering but maybe we’ll get better evaluating or developing. I do know every single guy I like gets poached though Russell Shepard is probably most successful along with that OT Howard on Jets 1st year. I know it’s ado about nothing yet it still matters to me lol.

    I can’t say I was too upset about Villaneuva cut.

  284. 284 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:52 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I hear you. Certainly possible that we only keep 5 but even then Huff would have to make the roster for Given or Randle to be cut, and im thinking Huffs time is done since it’s almost impossible for him to improve enough to earn an extension when his contract expires after the 2017 season. hopefully after this next season is over, Huff, Givens and Randle will all be on their way out of Philly
    I’d probably prefer only keeping 5 of these chump WRs, but Id go wifh Jordan. nelson, DGB, Givens and Randle.

  285. 285 anon said at 12:32 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Is something wrong with Tommy been excited to get his take all day. His boos needs to know that when eagles news breaks he’s got priorities.

  286. 286 Rellihcs said at 4:43 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    When Mrs. Fox wants to bathe in pudding with company, she wants undivided attention.

    Also, Google d things come to those who wait for funyun binge bliss to wear off a bit.

    Let the guy live a bit. You cant rush mastery.

  287. 287 A_T_G said at 9:05 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Googled things come to those who wait 0.23 seconds for the ad tracking software to catch up.

  288. 288 Rellihcs said at 1:22 PM on August 17th, 2016:


  289. 289 Ark87 said at 10:15 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    He is likely enthralled with the defense, writing up an game review, then the trade interupted him, suspect we will get a blurb at the end of his DGR, with more to come later

  290. 290 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:52 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Until we have 5 or 6 more Capable gameday WRs than Randle, I dont know why fans are talking about getting rid of him.
    Both Randle and DGB would have been better than all our WRs with the exception of jordan Mathews last season..
    Im no randle fan, but it’s all relative to what else we have on our roster and fans are misguided If they think we have 5 or 6 WRs who give us a better chance to win than Randle does on Gameday
    If we cut Randle it means he finished 6th or 7th on our depth Chart, and there is no way we have 6 WRs who will be more Capable than Randle this year
    I can’t wait TIl we have 5 better WRs that makes players like Randle expendable, but we clearly aren’t there yet as a roster

  291. 291 BobSmith77 said at 10:37 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Because you don’t give a veteran like Randle a job, especially a starting job with lots of PT, when he is showing the kind of effort in practice & the first preseason game.

    It sets a bad precedent especially for a rookie head coach who is in charge of the offense and Randle’s talent is nearly enough to offset or overlook it.

  292. 292 Rellihcs said at 1:21 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I need to put you in touch with my friend Allen – short dude but plays some mean basketball.

  293. 293 Ark87 said at 11:55 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    57 catches, 797 yards, 8 td’s and 14 ypc. Sharing coverage with ODB, I’m not at all impressed.

    Even Riley Cooper can get 47 catches for 835 and 6 TD’s in a situation like that.

    RR is on a prove it deal. He seems content to coast to regular season mediocrity, if not flat out badness in this offense. why should we keep him in 2016? The only point of having him here is to see if he has a shot a being a legit WR. If he doesn’t, why waste the roster spot, and especially why the hell would you let a guy like that end up with more snaps than Jordan Matthews, what does that tell our young guys?

  294. 294 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:14 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Impressed? Doubt anyone thinks Randle the answer, unfortunately all that matters is how he compares to what else we have at WR, and you have to be delusional to currently think that we have 5 or 6 better WRs on this roster than Randle and Givens.
    Think everyone is aware that they aren’t the answer at WR, but it’s also clear that we lack talent and experience at WR. We lack so much talent that Randle is EASILY one of our best 5 options come week 1

  295. 295 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:31 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Lol your not impressed by numbers that are better than any WR we have with the exception of Jordan? Sounds like you are holding our WRs to Prince expectations when we have a group of Paupers. Don’t you think I wish we had 5 or 6 BETTER WR options so we could tell this Giant trash to kiss our ass? Have you seen our WR group? It’s not very deep with production after Jordan, Randle and DGB would have been our 3 top WR last year, and our WR group ISNT much deeper this year… It’s all relative to what else you have On your roster at that position, and we Clearly don’t have 5 or 6 better options for week 1, we can kick, cry, scream and complain, but unless Howie has another trade or two up his sleeve, I don’t see us having better options. Fortunately Doug can feature Jordan, ErtZ and SPROLES in the passing game, which could open things up for other Wrs if one of them gets their head out of their ass.
    you aren’t impressed playing opposite of ODB? What’s that have to do with it? The Giants Offense was trash, all they had was ODB, I can promise you that after defenders double teamed ODB, they still had a defender left over to put on Rueban Randle.. It’s not like we are asking ODB’s complimemtary WR to be our #1 option. Jordan, ErtZ and SPROLES should all be bigger priorities of the opposing defenses than Randle is…… It’s not like Riley Cooper who had a monster year playing opposite Desean, with shady leading the league in rushing and then us putting Cooper in a bigger role… Rueban was the #2 option behind ODB. Here we would be asking him to be the 4th or 5th option in the passing game, so if anything, he should get less attentipn than he got last year playing Robin to ODBs batman
    Im not happy that i have to root for Rueban Randle this year, but it’s my reality… Let me know when we have 5 or 6 more capable WRs and I’ll gladly drive Randle to the airport myself
    I doubt anyone would honestly debate that we have 5 or 6 better WR’s at training camp

  296. 296 Ark87 said at 5:04 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Let’s boil it down to this:
    He’s a young talented kid, but he is bad. 1 Mil 1 year contract bad. We got lots of kids like him, but he has a marginally higher floor. He got this opportunity to see if he can live up to his talent. We don’t need a possibly marginally less bad WR on the roster this year as some sort of band aid to get us to next year. We just want to take a crack at getting the guy the Giants thought they drafted, for cheap.

    If he isn’t going to put the effort in to become the player he can be, and he doesn’t drop the bad habits that have held him back his whole career, why waste our time and roster spot? The other screw ups on our roster are bad, but at least working hard gives them a sliver of hope of becoming better than they were.

  297. 297 GermanEagle said at 10:47 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Before people judge DGB I kindly advise to read the following article.

    I know it’s not an excuse for pushing a woman down an escalator, but maybe it’s an explanation for some of his (hopefully past) behavior:

    […]The wide receiver who never knew his biological father, who bounced around foster homes for years, who even was homeless for a stretch, […]

  298. 298 RC5000 said at 12:10 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    There was an escalator in the apartment?

  299. 299 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:06 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I don’t really need to excuse him. He is an eagle, he is getting a second chance, regardless of what he did or didn’t do in the past, I will judge him on what he does and how he behaves as an Eagle. I don’t care what he did at Missouri or Tennessee because had he not made mistakes we wouldnt even be able to get our hands on this type of high upside talent.. So his flaws and mistakes are what provided Us with this opportunity, hopefully we win and the Titans end up regretting giving him up
    kids like Mills and DGB won’t get a bunch of other chances so Hopefully they mature into great players and decent men

  300. 300 BobSmith77 said at 10:55 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    Agree with Sielski on this and in general this offseason. Pretty clear Lurie was the one who wanted to take the ‘middling strategy’ route including being the one who insisted Bradford was back as the starting QB.

    Lurie didn’t want to come out and say this team was ‘rebuilding’ this year and have to endure the possibility of having a rough first year with Pederson including 4-5 wins. Instead, the Eagles spent a ton of money to resign a number of their own players along with bringing in a number of FAs.

    I’ve done corporate strategy work for a while now and I really think Lurie missed a key opportunity this offseason to reset expectations internally and externally as well. If Lurie had come out and said that they made a mistake with Kelly, were starting over, and looking to rebuilding while asking for patience from the fans I think they would have largely gotten it especially if they had made Daniel the starter & were going to play Wentz sometime later this season.

    Instead, it seems like they have ‘thrown good money after bad’ to just chase and maintain mediocrity along with bringing in ‘less than desirable’ character guys including the most recent trade because they are desperate to upgrade their talent.

    Maybe Pederson proves me wrong or this defense & special teams are able to carry this team to 7-8 wins but I’ve have seen companies (and other teams including the Phillies most recent) employ this ‘middling strategy’ and it often ends up with some pretty poor results.

    Much more likely now they end up with the 4 or 5 win season all along which Lurie was seeking to avoid all along and have a cranky fan base as a result.

  301. 301 Will Mahoney said at 11:21 AM on August 17th, 2016:

    I think this is a 6-8 win team, in the NFCE. I just don’t see any team in our division being flat out better than the next. I’d be very surprised if this is a 4 win team.

    Even last year’s team was better than 4 wins. And that team played downright awful at time. Looked like an expansion team.

  302. 302 RC5000 said at 12:08 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    If we fully tanked Cleveland definitely gets top 2 or 3 pick, no?

    You can go either way on this but you need to address the fact we didn’t have Wentz when we signed Bradford.

    I don’t think it was good corporate or football strategy with Eagles fans to go with Daniel as your starter, tanking and hoping to find a QB someday. The organization also believes there is a shortage of QBs in future drafts while acknowledging that could change.

    They were also risking wasting more Cox prime years and either you lie to Schwartz or there’s no way he comes here as DC imo. No Rodney McLeod either.

    And biggest deal is you’re developing Wentz with no talent around him and we have history of bad drafting. Also no 1st round pick next year.

  303. 303 RobNE said at 3:34 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I don’t think many of us think they are competing for a SB this year. And the players they resigned are for the future, they didn’t sign expensive old players.

  304. 304 lonfident said at 1:18 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Did anyone post this article? Seems like Doug really needs to be more careful how he uses his players.

  305. 305 RC5000 said at 1:36 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Don’t play him in case he gets hurt because he won’t be able to play.

  306. 306 SteveH said at 1:25 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I’m all aboard the Huff to Chip Kelly train. bet we could get a 3rd for him.

  307. 307 Nailed It! said at 1:27 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    No chance the niners or eagles do business anytime soon.

  308. 308 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:46 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I’d trade him to anyone, for anything with a lessor cap # then Huff.. im ready to just cut our losses and move on since we have enough yoûng talent to develop with JM, Nelson and DGB.
    What’s funny is the Titans could only get Dennis Kelly for DGB whch means they can’t even give away Justin Hunter who you know they want to get rid. feel bad for Titan fans, two second round picks spent on Hunter and DGB neither of which will be on the team this year.
    Surprised the Vikings haven’t given up on Cordarrell yet

  309. 309 Rambo said at 4:32 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    I’ll take Cordelle!

  310. 310 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:00 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Lol if you look at Rotoworld, every 5 news updates or so there is a report about a different Eagle WR sucking and being on the roster bubble.
    There is a report about Givens dissapointing and possibly not making the roster, there is a report about Randle sucking and being on The roster bubble, there is a report about how dissapointing Agholar has been….. Who are all these COMPETANT NFL WRs that could push Randle, and Givens off the roster?
    A month ago the mdia was reporting our HC praising Randle for making tôugh catches and being one of the WR that had been impressing the most. Two weeks later, the media narrative changed and Givens was now considered a starter while Randle had fallen to #3 or #4 on the depth chart, and two weeks later the new narrative is Givens and Randle are in danger of not making the roster?….. I have a hard time believing there has been this much fluctuation in how our coaches view the WRs over the course of a training camp and one preseason game where the starting Qb literally took 3 snaps.
    I have no delusions about Randle and Givens being special WRs capable of carrying our passing game. I doubt either will be here more than one season. Compared to most #2 WRs, I would rank givens and Randle close to the very bottom. But it’s not about how they compare to other teams WRs. All that matters is how they compare to what we have at WR, and I don’t care how much we dislike them, we would have to be completely delusional to think that we currently have 5 or 6 WRs in camp who will be better than Givens and Randle on game day. The ONLY WR that I know for certain that can be counted on more than those two on Sunday is Jordan Mathews..l don’t know if Randle or Givens can be one of our top two WRs, but im pretty certain that we don’t have 6 better Wrs on our roster, so I think talking about them not making the roster is ridiculous.
    Even if our youngbucks improve enough to move ahead them on the depth chart, when you are carrying 4 WRs none of which have more than two seasons of experience under their belt, you probably will want two veterans like Given and Randle when we are so young at the position with jordan, Nelson, DGB, and Huff.
    For givens or randle to be cut it would Probably mean that we are only keeping 5 Recievers and Huff makes the roster..
    If Huff gets cut, both Givens and Randle make the roster
    If Doug wants to keep 6 WR, both Givens and Randle make the roster
    And there is Probably no chance of cutting both givens and Randle
    The media likes to say silly stuff like “we traded for DGB so Nelson Agholar has been put on notice”.;. What a crock of shit. We are so lacking in WR talent, that DGB will have no effect on Nelsons roster spot.
    If we are being honest, the player who Probably really was hurt by the DGB trade is Paul Turner. He was a LONGSHOT before the trade, but now the best he can hope for is Practice squad..
    Personally, I wish I trusted Josh Huff enough to cut Randle or Givens, but I dont see how I could possibly trust josh huff on Sunday more than a WR with 4 seasons of starting Experience, who while considered lazy and dissapointing still managed to catch 8 TDs last year and produced more than every eagle WR with the exception of Jordan.
    Keeping Givens and Randle ISNT about what they can do, it’s about what I don’t trust our other young WRs to do each sunday
    If it were my call, I’d probably cut Huff and keep 5 WRs: Jordan, Nelson, DGB, Givens and Randle…. Jordan, Nelson and DGB is enough high upside yoûng talent to try to develope making Huff expendable

  311. 311 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:11 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Times up! Josh Huff has to go!
    Trade him for anything, if not then just cut him and move on. DGB, Nelson and Jordan is more than enough high upside yoûng talent to develope, and Huff practically has no chamce of being an eagle long term.
    Huff is entering his 3rd year and his rookie deal was only for 4 years, so not only does he still have to improve enough to put him on the field on Sunday, but it’s highly unlikely that he can prove to improve enough for us to extend when we will have to pay Jordan Mathews and Bennie Logan
    If he isn’t good enough to make a difference on sundays now, and it’s very unlikely that he can improve enough to warrant an extension, we might as well just cut our losses now and move on, assuming we have someone like Barner or smallwood to handle Kick Returner role.
    Cut huff, keep the 3 yoûng talents (jordan, DGB and Nelson) and keep the two veterans Randle and Givens as atop gaps Til next offseason. Probably aren’t good enough at WR to bother keeping 6 on the roster

  312. 312 P_P_K said at 2:26 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Yo’ Tommy, Kempski posted an Eagles beat writers football team, with himself as qb1. Just wanted you to know that I suggested the team draft you as the franchise qb. This way there will be no Philly football teams without a quarterback controversy.

  313. 313 RC5000 said at 2:40 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Field Yates ✔ @FieldYates
    Eagles OL Andrew Gardner took a pay cut from $1.2M to the vet min of $760,000K, per source. Gets $300K added in 2018 incentives in return.

    ​​The new contract structure will give the Eagles an additional $423,000 in salary cap flexibility in 2016.

    Something is up with getting an OT. Gardner was probably facing getting cut.

  314. 314 Media Mike said at 3:35 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Yeah, very interesting time to make that type of move.

  315. 315 Rambo said at 2:42 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Titan Fans React to DGB for Kelly trade……

  316. 316 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:59 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    Lol if all they could get for DGB is Dennis Kelly, it means they can’t even give away Justin Hunter who you know they want to get rid of

  317. 317 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:03 PM on August 17th, 2016:

    They don’t sound happy.