Halftime Update: PS 1 – PHI 14, TB 6

Posted: August 11th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 128 Comments »

Forget the backup OL struggles. Forget Chase Daniel. Even forget the return of the 4-3. The one drive by Carson Wentz was the key to the first half.

Wentz didn’t do anything magical, but just his presence brought life to the game. He got the players around him to pick up their level of play. He showed a strong arm and the ability to move around. Wentz was tough in the pocket, standing tall and taking hits when he had to. He was a bit high on 2 throws, but they were still catchable.

The game just felt different with Wentz in there. He can do things Chase Daniel never could or will be able to. Wentz can do things Sam Bradford hasn’t done since his college days. You can see raw talent with Wentz. That doesn’t guarantee that he’ll work out, but man it gets you excited about the future.

I’ll talk about other bright spots and the negative issues after the game.

Looking forward to the second half.

128 Comments on “Halftime Update: PS 1 – PHI 14, TB 6”

1 ConcussedFB said at 8:49 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Superbowl! Just kidding.
2 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:49 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Stop being coy, Tommy. Wentz >>> Rodgers.
3 Halftime Update: PS 1 – PHI 14, TB 6 - said at 8:50 PM on August 11th, 2016:
[…] Tommy Lawlor Forget the backup OL struggles. Forget Chase Daniel. Even forget the return of the 4-3. The one […]
4 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:54 PM on August 11th, 2016:
🙂
5 shah8 said at 8:55 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Nice third down throw.
6 Corry said at 8:55 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Just short of the 3rd down. Somewhere, Chip Kelly is smiling.
7 shah8 said at 8:56 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Yeah, it was a throw structurally permitted by the defense, but at least he makes it look like a normal play.
8 Corry said at 8:55 PM on August 11th, 2016:
You can definitely see the potential. Very accurate on the move.
9 SteveH said at 8:55 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Haha, thats a great highlight. who was the goober who stayed down in his stance that long on a live ball? I missed the #.
10 Insomniac said at 8:56 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Vaitai a.k.a Big V
11 Insomniac said at 8:55 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Going to nitpick here but Turner was pretty much wide open and Wentz killed that drive with a not so good throw.
12 shah8 said at 8:57 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Yeah, he’s probably number three because he’s not finding people in the system properly. Best plays so far are fairly sandloty…
13 Ark87 said at 8:57 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Yeah, some impressive stuff that play, but the throw needed to get to the sticks in bounds. Duress and all
14 Insomniac said at 9:01 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Definitely has to get this fixed since it was also an issue in college for him too.
15 Ark87 said at 9:00 PM on August 11th, 2016:
That was the running Shah came to see!
16 Ark87 said at 9:00 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Ole tiny-hands himself for a TFL
17 Insomniac said at 9:01 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Watkins and Reynolds playing well? It’s pretty hard to believe.
18 Ark87 said at 9:04 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I’m pretty sure Wentz just talked about getting on the same page-width as the rest of the guys. Ah, football players.
19 A_T_G said at 9:05 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Somehow, seeing Andrews limp off does not fill me with dread.
20 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:06 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Bad throw. Hit the WR in the hands.
21 Corry said at 9:09 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Should try to stick it in their face mask Blake to Featherstone style.
22 shah8 said at 9:09 PM on August 11th, 2016:
It would be nice if he actually lead people on his throws.
23 Corry said at 9:11 PM on August 11th, 2016:
It would be. I would also be nice to see his receivers not drop the ball.
24 shah8 said at 9:11 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I think you probably should drop any consideration that this WR corps would be better than horrendous.
25 Corry said at 9:12 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I’m an optimist.
26 shah8 said at 9:07 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Not very happy with Wentz’ micro-accuracy…
27 A_T_G said at 9:08 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I agree. That last one hit the ring fingers before the index fingers. What the hell is he doing?!
28 RogerPodacter said at 9:07 PM on August 11th, 2016:
lol at the replay of that scramble. OL #72 just ran upfield and didn’t hit anybody
29 Ark87 said at 9:09 PM on August 11th, 2016:
a catch!
30 Ark87 said at 9:10 PM on August 11th, 2016:
that’s a Big boy
31 A_T_G said at 9:11 PM on August 11th, 2016:
When was the last time we ran a plain old slant like it is supposed to be run? I can’t remember one that looked that…comfortable.
32 Iskar36 said at 9:11 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Loved seeing Wentz read that play correctly.
33 Ark87 said at 9:13 PM on August 11th, 2016:
If Vick ever learned that trick that 2010 magic may have lived a bit longer
34 A_T_G said at 9:14 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Between that and sliding, Wentz is already up two on Vick.
35 shah8 said at 9:14 PM on August 11th, 2016:
? miracle at meadowlands started with that sort of play.
If you’re talking hot reads and stuff, a lot of that is on Reid.
36 Ark87 said at 9:14 PM on August 11th, 2016:
i posted that one for you, had Completely forgot about Vick until you showed up lol
37 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:12 PM on August 11th, 2016:
While Daniels reminds me of Kolb, Wentz reminds me of McNabb. Super athletic, generally good, but not the most accurate. Worms beware.
38 Insomniac said at 9:12 PM on August 11th, 2016:
The worms lived a good peaceful few years.
39 Insomniac said at 9:12 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Damn it Turner
40 A_T_G said at 9:13 PM on August 11th, 2016:
He put that one right in the bread basket.
41 A_T_G said at 9:16 PM on August 11th, 2016:
“Goode hit.” Ha!
42 shah8 said at 9:16 PM on August 11th, 2016:
what people will do in the regular season, if Wentz plays, is do a lot of mush rush.
43 RogerPodacter said at 9:16 PM on August 11th, 2016:
good to see means’ play continue
44 A_T_G said at 9:17 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Did Means just do the Trotter celebration?
45 Ark87 said at 9:17 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Gladiator mentality, win the crowd
46 RogerPodacter said at 9:17 PM on August 11th, 2016:
i think i saw reynolds do the same when he got that open field TFL
47 Corry said at 9:17 PM on August 11th, 2016:
So who’s going to sign Marcus Smith?
48 Cafone said at 12:24 AM on August 12th, 2016:
Redskins
49 Insomniac said at 9:17 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Steven Means already taking Smiths job 🙁
50 Ark87 said at 9:20 PM on August 11th, 2016:
but by the transitive property Steven Means is better the a first-round draft pick, and we got him for next to nothing, gj Howie!
51 A_T_G said at 9:20 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Wait, Means is going to be a terrible disappointment consistently across rapidly changing circumstances?
That was Marcus’ job, right?
52 anon said at 9:24 PM on August 11th, 2016:
No MSII sighting?
53 RogerPodacter said at 9:24 PM on August 11th, 2016:
out with concussion from before hte game
54 shah8 said at 9:17 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Tampa has terrible depth. I guess so do we.
55 A_T_G said at 9:23 PM on August 11th, 2016:
“Lot of time, nobody open” is a good counter to the “quick pressure, nobody open” that they established in the first half.
Chess match, Doug.
56 Ark87 said at 9:24 PM on August 11th, 2016:
yeah he needs seasoning.
57 Insomniac said at 9:24 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Shades of McNabb
58 Jarock said at 9:26 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Curious if people here see that as a positive or negative.
59 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:27 PM on August 11th, 2016:
For me – overall positive. McNabb was a great QB. Not perfect. Not elite. But damn good. It was his personality and perceived lack leadership skills that irked people, imo.
60 Jarock said at 9:33 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Always felt Andy sabotaged Donovan late in his career. Signing Vick was a mistake. Then Shady and Desean decided they had to have Dog Killer as their QB.
Donny didn’t do himself many favors either. Still, hate how things ended.
61 Insomniac said at 9:36 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Andy isn’t the type of coach to do that. McNabb was done and it showed.
62 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:41 PM on August 11th, 2016:
A white McNabb would be embraced by this city
63 Ark87 said at 9:27 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Well, defense is fun.
64 A_T_G said at 9:31 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Gause wrapped that up nicely.
I’ll see myself out.
65 Ark87 said at 9:31 PM on August 11th, 2016:
good to see the tip drill pay off
66 A_T_G said at 9:33 PM on August 11th, 2016:
One day, that will terrify me.
67 Ark87 said at 9:34 PM on August 11th, 2016:
hopefully
68 Jarock said at 9:35 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Today.
Love the athleticism. Don’t want the future of the franchise hurt in a meaningless preseason game.
69 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:34 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Running ability. Check.
Can take a hit. Check.
Now stop that.
70 RC5000 said at 9:35 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Cox giving the rook encouragement when he came off.
71 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:36 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Mr. Rogers is our Offensive Coordinator. Would you be my neighbor?
72 shah8 said at 9:36 PM on August 11th, 2016:
gonna watch one more more series before I stop tonight, but I’m not very happy with Wentz. He doesn’t seem to have a lot of natural accuracy, and his process goes bad if there are too many bodies around him. He’s not *bad* per se, but this sort of play is about what you’d expect from the physical high second round QBs, not a first round QB.
73 mksp said at 9:37 PM on August 11th, 2016:
This is about the comment that I think we all expected out of you after his first preseason game after playing in the FCS.
Good work!
74 shah8 said at 9:39 PM on August 11th, 2016:
If you think I’m being too negative, go right ahead…
75 Iskar36 said at 9:39 PM on August 11th, 2016:
The Joe Webb comparison is missing, but beyond that…
76 shah8 said at 9:40 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I actually remember Webb’s 2010 preseason games. Don’t you remember him ending a couple of preseason bodies’ season with a nasty facemask?
77 RogerPodacter said at 9:42 PM on August 11th, 2016:
its in the first half thread
78 shah8 said at 9:43 PM on August 11th, 2016:
At the bottom of it all, Wentz needs to make the job of catching the ball a bit easier, and he needs to play better in structured play.
79 shah8 said at 9:45 PM on August 11th, 2016:
There are a couple of good plays, but most of what I’ve seen shows a dude who can play sandlot well, but is a bit slow if there are multiple reads, and doesn’t have a huge amount of touch or microaccuracy on his throws.
80 mksp said at 9:46 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Agreed.
We’re also evaluating his temperament, his body language, his arm, his athleticism, and his intelligence.
Is it translating to the NFL, surrounded by NFL-level athletes?
Early on, he’s been encouraging.
The ball placement can improve. He’s not lacking arm talent.
81 shah8 said at 9:46 PM on August 11th, 2016:
no he’s not lacking in arm talent, but he needs to be reliable.
82 Dude said at 9:47 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Microreliable
83 A_T_G said at 9:47 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Those QBs that think they can just run around and make stuff happen piss me off too.
On the other hand, we knew he was raw and surly he is overexcited. Luckily, he seems to have the arm to make all of he NFL throws. I know how much you value your hat ability.
84 shah8 said at 9:49 PM on August 11th, 2016:
After watching Ponder, and the usual perpetual excuses for all of the Kellen Moores of the world, of course I value a good arm.
Foles couldn’t be accurate outside of a couple of throws, even though he has a strong arm. That always seems to be weird to me…
Jameis Winston has a strong arm, but he rarely ever truly shows that and be accurate…
85 RC5000 said at 9:40 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Why not go follow that special teams ace Joe Webb.
86 GermanEagle said at 9:43 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Good night.
87 Ark87 said at 9:43 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Oh no, there is a Smith III, god help us
88 A_T_G said at 9:43 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Maybe we can make room for Smith III by cutting Smith II.
89 Ark87 said at 9:44 PM on August 11th, 2016:
but together they make Smith V
90 Corry said at 9:44 PM on August 11th, 2016:
The cheerleaders are in midseason form.
91 Ark87 said at 9:47 PM on August 11th, 2016:
MM is so damn pissed somewhere, whether he is watching the game or not
92 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:51 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Marty Mornhinweg?
93 Ark87 said at 9:52 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Media Mike has a blood bind with Barner. When Barner does bad, MM is PISSED, and every good thing he does pisses him off even more lol
94 A_T_G said at 9:54 PM on August 11th, 2016:
True.
95 A_T_G said at 9:52 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Mike Martz?
96 Ark87 said at 9:51 PM on August 11th, 2016:
So happy I don’t have to boo at injured players under suspicion of milking a free timeout to stall the tempo
97 Iskar36 said at 9:53 PM on August 11th, 2016:
While I understood the booing, I hated the fact that ANY injury was assumed to be the other team stalling. Sure there were times the other time was trying to slow the pace, but honestly, fans booed so often, that we booed actually injured players more often than not.
98 Ark87 said at 9:54 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Confession, I was one of them. I started to boo instinctively, and then it hit me that that isn’t a thing anymore.
99 RC5000 said at 9:56 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I don’t know about that. There were many deliberate stalls.
100 A_T_G said at 9:55 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Do we really need challenges during preseason?
101 Jarock said at 9:56 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I think we’ve answered any questions about Wentz’s toughness.
That’s enough hits for today.
102 shah8 said at 9:56 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Thing to watch next game, see if he gets better at managing pocket.
103 shah8 said at 9:59 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Oh yes, this is important because Chase fucking Daniels is not an actual serious option at QB.
104 Cafone said at 12:23 AM on August 12th, 2016:
He scored a touchdown!
105 Ark87 said at 9:57 PM on August 11th, 2016:
They checked to see if he still had a pulse, patted him on the butt and sent him back in.
106 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:58 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I’d bang that cheeleader
107 Ark87 said at 9:59 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I look for the ones I wouldn’t. I don’t think I’m as picky as you (since I haven’t found one yet)
108 shah8 said at 9:58 PM on August 11th, 2016:
ok, done… see allay’all next week!
109 Dude said at 9:59 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Not if we see you first!
110 A_T_G said at 10:01 PM on August 11th, 2016:
McCloud Bethel-Thompson would be an interesting backup to the backup. Unfortunately, there can be only one.
111 BobSmith77 said at 10:03 PM on August 11th, 2016:
If Bradford goes down, would Daniel be the worst QB this team has had for an extended stretch since McMahon in ’05?
112 The original AG said at 10:06 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I’d hope they put Wentz in.
113 A_T_G said at 10:08 PM on August 11th, 2016:
We are not acknowledging the Vince Young era, right?
114 BobSmith77 said at 10:11 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Young was still notably better than McMahon. McMahon running out of the end zone is such a fitting summary clip of his time here as the QB in ’05. Sunk their season that year after McNabb went down.
I was at the season finale in ’05 (New Year’s Day) badly hung-over and that might have been McMahon’s best start as an Eagle. Still wasn’t very good although I’ll admit that 72 hour window before I went back up to Boston is still blurry.
115 Cafone said at 12:22 AM on August 12th, 2016:
Sanchez was pretty bad.
116 A_T_G said at 10:03 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Don’t dance on short yardage, kid.
Plays like that will keep Barner on my he team.
117 BobSmith77 said at 10:04 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Agree with my friend on this one – there is one thing Eagles’ fans agreed with tonight with almost universally and it is that Daniel sucks. He loved the mock jeer Daniel would get for completing a pass.
118 The original AG said at 10:05 PM on August 11th, 2016:
If tonight was any indication, there is no reason he should have gotten the money that he did.
119 BobSmith77 said at 10:07 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I wonder if some creative fan will buy a knockoff Daniel jersey, paint a paper bag, and wear it over his head to games this year.
Do they even allow you to wear a paper bag over your head at games anymore? It seems like they have cracked down pretty severely on people who get decked in ornate costumes.
120 The original AG said at 10:08 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Shame really. Sometimes you need that to send a message.
121 anon said at 10:25 PM on August 11th, 2016:
and with thought Sammy Dollaz was overpaid.
122 RC5000 said at 10:27 PM on August 11th, 2016:
I still think he’s mainly here to help Wentz .He’ll probably be Wentz backup when Sam leaves. Once season starts everything changes with reps and even coaching. Still don’t think he’s worth that money but it is what it is.
123 A_T_G said at 10:06 PM on August 11th, 2016:
A QB that praises the fans, takes responsibility, is personable…
I don’t have an appropriate response.
124 BobSmith77 said at 10:08 PM on August 11th, 2016:
#5 will always love you. It is shame that sound byte will be arguably McNabb’s most memorable one here and it was after he was done playing here.
125 BobSmith77 said at 10:18 PM on August 11th, 2016:
Wentz at least gave a reason to this game though for an extended stretch.
Justice had no problem carving up this secondary though and man the two starting CBs on this team are so underwhelming. Beckham must be licking his chops to go 1-on-1 with Brooks or McKelvin even for 20-25% snaps.
126 anon said at 10:26 PM on August 11th, 2016:
So Chase was that bad? I can’t believe i couldn’t watch this game.
127 Cafone said at 12:21 AM on August 12th, 2016:
He was playing with the 2nd team against the Bucs’ 1st team and none of the Eagles receivers ever got open.
128 anon said at 12:35 AM on August 12th, 2016:
can’t believe our WRs were so bad, especially b/c we were blessed with Mac and Djax for so many years.