PHI 13, CLE 7 – 2nd Half
Posted: September 11th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 585 Comments »Good start for Carson Wentz and the Eagles. Could have been better, but the team played well for the most part.
The offense has shown a lot of promise, but is still too sloppy. Drops. Missed blocks. Errant throws. This is not a well-oiled machine that is clicking on all cylinders. The encouraging thing is that you can see the potential. Wentz looks like the real deal. Jordan Matthews has had an impact in his first game action of 2016. The role players are doing some good things.
The defense has been good vs the run. Pass coverage has been up and down. Nolan Carroll had a rough opening half. You can see that RGIII’s athleticism is still a real problem for defenses. Jordan Hicks tipped a pass that Jordan Hicks picked off. That ended a promising drive.
Caleb Sturgis missed a FG. Eagles should be up 16-7. Can’t afford to make mistakes like that in a winnable game like this.
Need to clean some things up, but plenty of reasons to be encouraged.
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Sloppy play has been a given for years.
Just saw the highlight of Demarco Murrays TD – he put more effort into that play then he did the entire season combine last year. What an a hole
if it gives MIN a loss, im happy.
Eagles should be up 16-3. Refs gave the Browns’ a gift TD.
Was listening during my son’s soccer game, did DGB get many snaps?
Sturgis. I think that’s the laundry detergent my wife uses.
Perfect on 2 out of 3 stains.
WTF was that.
WTF?
That can’t happen
SHIT
3 guys and they all just kind of stand there and watch him catch the ball. AWesome.
I though int for sure.
What the freaking hell, D?
O M F G
Play the damn ball.
Horrible decision to throw that and it pays off. Shades of Eli in the SB :S
Fire Cory Undlin now.
They are picking on nolan
Was in the middle of typing that sentence.
Nolan’s playing pretty well. Great play by Pryor early. Bad play by the entire secondary that last one.
Don’t disagree, just every throw is at him
Big time physical mismatch
D line is non existant
The last think that I wanted to see today was RGIII highlights.
Our cornerbacks are still a clear weakness.
no, the D line is the problem,
I think it’s a little of both today. The D line is clearly not getting pressure and the secondary looks lost.
ok, you’re right
I was pretty sure you’d agree 🙂 Still up by 3 though
Zero pressure when they are rushing the front 4.
Not getting a ton of pressure but I think some of that is not wanting to overcommit and let Griffin beat us with his legs. But those two long bombs Griffin completed were both plays the receivers should not have been allowed to make.
You still remember the 90s era line. D-line not having a great game, but I still think they’ve been told to play contain and that’s hampering them. CB is a problem. Not a monster problem, but I don’t like the matchup of our best corner vs. their best receiver.
has anyone on the line been close to RGknee yet,
Vinny Curry before he was tackled on the non-existent PI.
Brooks got lucky
The defense has been fairly disappointing.
10 pts, eh.
Started out well, 3 straight 3 and outs, but Browns have made adjustments.
They have been ‘ok’
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you go playaction, hit the TE in the seam
They haven’t run much (any?) play action yet. Hopefully all these running plays they ran in the first half are setting something up.
No playaction deep. Lots of play action.
I know MM will hate it, but run one, Wentz 🙂
I know Wentz is young but being a little conservative for my taste. Wentz needs to uncork one deep.
gonna get johnson
Tommy, we are in the second half of the first game. Why isn’t this team a a finished product?
nice throw.
A gift
Bradford doesn’t make that throw.
How’s Bradford making out?
0-0 on the bench?
With three dropped clipboards.
Yikes, I missed the news, just looked it up.
Yeaaaaaaaa
Make someone miss, Ertz.
break a tackle sometime, ertz
disguise the pick celek
Awwww . . . .
Can’t be that blatant guys. Not needed either.
sup with sproles and the drops??
contagious
Maybe a factor of him not getting many preseason snaps.
He had quite a few last year too, though.
He’s always had drops issues. Dynamic, but not as consistent as you’d like.
Dammit Sproles
I like sproles but he drops too many balls
And the drops continue . . . !@#$
That was a hell of a throw to Matthews. We haven’t had a QB who could make that throw since McNabb at his best.
Vick could have made that.
Vick had the arm but I doubt he would’ve hung in the pocket like that.
He had the arm but your right about staying in the pocket.
Vick wasn’t that accurate.
comeo n now d
Need more stick’em!
Let’s go DJ. Pin ’em back.
I won’t complain about that call cause it was 3rd and 16. Now, pin em deep.
You air are a prophet.
Good old Eagles Football
Sheesh
name checks out
Were people expecting this to be other than a rinky-dink offense especially in a rookie’s NFL debut (who didn’t even really play in the preseason)?
I’m not upset by the play calling but the execution has to be better. We led the league in drops last season and it seems like we’re intent on doing it again this year.
Yeah but Wentz has had lousy touch and missed some short passes today.
If they can avoid a killer turnover or two, they’ll win this game. So far they have done that.
Expected the OL to play a bit better. Haven’t been awful, but this isn’t a great DL they’re playing. Should be dominating up front.
They didn’t play much together in the preseason and it doesn’t surprise me. Peters hasn’t looked the mobile on the edge and Kelce (in the running for most overrated Eagles’ player) has been subpar.
True, but it’s to be expected . At least the it’s the same old browns!!!
ill take that
Welp….they’re still the browns.
TD would have been nice but well take it
🙂
Have not been around this chat today. Is it only me or is TT getting away with murder?
Who’s TT?
Cleveland being Cleveland.
I’ll take the fantasy pts there too, thank you.
Damn…GB receivers making tons of plays for Rodgers….why don’t we have guys like that…ohh wait chip Kelly got rid of em all…
I think it will be a few more years before we fully excise the influence of Chip’s atrociousness as a GM from this franchise.
Now, after this TD, we should go for 2.
Nope. 12 is better than 11. Gotta take the 1
Nice defensive call, and you guys worrying about the defense. Same play Seattle had against Denver in the Super Bowl.
Schwartz is a genius to use that play!!!!
Ha! the browns only hope is RGIII’s veteran leadership
If you are not old enough to remember the Eagles in the late 60’s / early 70’s, that’s what it looked like.
Let Wentz throw deep.
To who….himself…we don’t got a burner and Agholor will just drop it….
Haha…just to spite me…Agholor with a TD catch…I’ll take it… And I like my crow with salt and pepper please….
Good job!
There you go.
lot of contact there
Matthews looked slow or interfered with.
matthews stopped running…
Pro-level airing out.
DGB sighting
D-G-B!
Trent Green just made me LOL . . . that’s a good no call . . . . there’s a hook on the left arm there . . . .
I don’t blame Matthews for slowing down. He’s been catching passes from Bradford, so he never really expects the ball to travel more than 5 yards in the air.
Give Sam credit. He can throw it 6 yards.
Only if it’s 3rd and 16.
Good patience from RM.
Eagles’ offense so far
http://users.content.ytmnd.com/7/0/7/707028c93ba9dec1c194a52955ab384b.jpg
No problem with that if they pick their spots. Like the two TD throws.
Keep mixing it up, Doug. Nice play.
I’m liking Pederson’s game plan a lot. Not reinventing the wheel with his play design but seems to have a nice feel for how to keep the defense off balance by not getting into ruts with his play calls. Coming from Chip who was awful in that regard it’s a breath of fresh air.
Want to see a jet sweep or something else to get their attn on the edge.
That was a very good pass while on the move. Hit Matthews in stride.
I want another deep ball, but thrown to DGB.
Away from Hayden.
Rare sighting of the Smallwood RB species. . .
wow
Go for it!
Good call.
Touchbacks come to the 25 this year, so even more reason to try in spots like this.
Only on kickoffs I think.
Ah, OK. Thanks.
jordab mathews, wow
Oh shit
Nice
OH SHIT
Nicee catch
F’n A Awesome.
1st down!
Big time throw
http://www.relatably.com/m/img/nice-memes/140b5483695386641c948708752a0663ef0e2f500d6cdab6175c881d626a5a60.jpg
Uh oh
WooOOOOOOO
Very NIIIIICE
Agholor for the TD! 2 TDs, no INTs!
yay!
Oh my. That was a beautiful pass!
Aghs!!!!!!!!!!
2?
Yep, Wentz has thrown 2 TD passes
That was my recommendation before they kicked to us, since the TD was a given.
Rather just get the point. 12 point lead is a two-TD lead, 11 is 1 TD and a FG. And if you say the score can change… true, and you usually just take the point before the 4th quarter for that reason.
Meh, I would of gone for it
Nelson is breathing a little easier right now.
Yup. He’s got all the ingredients for a good scapegoat. He’s got to perform or else.
And exotic dancers all over the city are calling in sick
I loved how initially Agholor looked a bit surprised he caught it. Hilarious.
he looked surprised by the placement, he had to make a very late adjustment. Not sure what to make of it, but I’d like to see more of it 😀
Perfect pass….Ive got a semi goin on
That got a nice spot by the officials on the 4th down play. Just sayin’ At least a half yard more than he actually got, not sure if it was the difference between getting it or not.
He hasn’t been perfect by any stretch but he doesn’t look like a kid playing his first game which bodes very well IMO
Deep balls have been. Touches on the stuff <7 yards is what has been lacking.
I'm fine with that. Just no INTs throwing into double coverage.
I wonder what his rating is so far
102.4 (had been trending down since the first drive, but that helped)
He’s demonstrating franchise QB-caliber physical talent and his flaws mostly look correctable. I’m pretty happy with what I’ve seen so far.
He’s also barely played with these guys. He’s better at audibles in his first game than McNabb ever was too.
Audibles are such a nice thing to see today. Matthews one in the 1st half was huge.
I so missed them after the last 2 years of Kelly’s forced stubborness/stupidity in that regard.
Like to see a bit more pressure this drive. Haven’t blitzed that much so far.
Loving Pederson play calong so far. Even had we not converted on that 4th down, was definitely the right call and plenty of coaches don’t make itm. Then has opened up some deep passing for Wentz.
I definitely feel relieved. I know the rookies (coach, qb) won’t be this good every game, but at least we know it’s possible. good play calling, clock management, audibles and shaking off hits
I’m listening to Merrill and Mike Quick who I love, but would love to have seen that drive. Looks like we got a good one in Wentz. Made a tough 4th down pass and hits Ags for a TD. I’m cautiously, but very optimistic.
You’ll see the highlights. It was a perfect pass.
I so don’t miss Captain Checkdown . . .
thats what he’s mostly done today
He has hit a few nice deep balls today. They have gone conservative and don’t want him forcing things. Exactly what they should be doing against a pedestrian Browns’ offense.
Its a West Coast offense. Its built on the short passing game. But Carson has gone down he field. Sammie B, would throw 1 per game at best.
Yep he’s throwing bullets, those out routes aren’t easy to make, a weak armed QB doesn’t get it there or gets picked off.
I think Carson is ready to start.
The Chiefs really miss Dougie…or maybe Chase Daniel
Let’s face it, with all the time Wentz had even Tom Brady could’ve made that throw.
Time helps but that was still a beautifully placed throw that not every NFL QB can make consistently.
Brady would have needed a clean pocket for a little over 4 weeks.
Thank you Cameron Erving. Really felt like Cleveland had momentum before that. Time for Eagles’ D to have an impact on this game.
I doubt we’ll be power-ranked in the high 20’s this week.
Low 20s?
19?
Don’t care. I just wanted to see a win this week and next week and see how things roll from there. These are 2 winnable games.
that’s two deep balls on Haden too, perhaps just cause they knew it would be single coverage
Mama, there goes that man.
Finally
Finally.
Vinny set the table. Cox cleaned up.
I feel momentum.
Those are the jalapeno poppers you had for lunch.
Big Cox in your face RG3
That’s how Schwartz should use his Cox
and it’s “Lit”…..
bullshit.
Thought we snapped it late on the 4th down conversion, so I’ll take that trade.
So uhh is Doug really Andy’s disciple?
He needs a utility belt though . . .
Did Reid run a lot McNabb’s rookie year? I can’t remember much but it seems to me he took a little bit longer to get pass-happy.
They were 59 pass/41 run split in 2000. They passed a lot initially from the get go.
Just looking, it was 53/47 in 1999, which was McNabb’s rookie year. Just not sure how much of that was Pederson vs. McNabb.
Had to look at the numbers but the offense felt pretty balanced during the first half. We seem to be passing more now that Wentz has found his groove.
Looks like the disciple of KC Andy, who is much more run friendly than PHI Andy was.
Yea. Definitely a storyline that was missed in the offseason was Phi vs KC Andy and how Pederson would have learned from both versions.
good thing griffin didn’t take off
McKelvin came off the field I think.
sproles td
3 seconds Refs
Remove ur heads from ur ……….
Was that mills jawing with the entire Browns team?
darn it, i missed the last td cuz i left to set up a movie for my daughter in the other room thinking htey were going ot kick a fg. she’s really cramping my style.
Call the orphanage.
…not to be rude, but do you mind leaving to set up another movie?
Your main problem is that your daughter isn’t an Eagles fan.
i feel you. my 2 keep asking to go to the park. They’re not in football shape yet
Conventional wisdom is it is worth it in the long run. We will see.
I completely abandon all parenting duties during the game
It’s Lord of the Flies around here during gametime
her mother went paddleboarding. grounds for divorce.
she can totally have the kids on Sunday….
On the other hand, my 9-year old just walked into the room with a pair of ham sandwiches…
Love to see a FG this drive and start to put the game a bit out of reach. . .
Barner!!
Barner was unhappy with Matthews lack of blocking.
He should be. Barner might still be running if not for that.
saw that
McKelvin with hamstring injury. Questionable to return.
Ugh. This means a healthy does of Brooks and man he was underwhelming in the preseason.
he’ll not be the same for the rest of the year
We should trade for Rowe.
sproles with butter fingers today
Someone put a picture of Sproles’ hands on the back of the milk cartons. They’ve gone missing.
I posted a link earlier, the guy had the worst catch% in the league a year or two ago.
Lucy?
i noticed that too. the new omaha perhaps?
I am really liking the post-handoff fakes from Wentz. Not enough QBs do it and it has potential to slow a defender that split second.
Noticed that, too. Attention to detail. Love it.
Favre used to go so far as to act like he was actually throwing a pass.
Peyton Manning used to talk about how he would study his PA handoffs to make sure they looked exactly like his regular handoffs. Definitely makes a difference I you can make a defender uncertain a split second longer.
A jump pass, even.
Barber has some real burst. How did he not get on the field more last year with Murray stinking it up?
Oof that was really bad
Lucy was a really weird play.
Punt the ball and pin them deep!
Yeah, I edited.
a good looking drive gone bad
it strikes so fast
Fumble blew up a ton of momentum.
game is over.
Cleveland is baaad, but good first showing by the rookie…
Game’s not over. They’re down 12.
Yup just need Pryor or Coleman to get over the top on a play.
The Browns have to be targeting Brooks. Go against him as much as possible and TE & Johnson when in single favorable coverage. Screw the run.
So we’ve gone from 3 and outs to 3 first downs and out. Progress!
or perhaps I spoke too soon if Eagles gonna self-destruct.
gotta cover all the bases i guess
Yeah, Fipp you Cleveland.
Good job, STs.
Donnie Jones for MVP
Nice punt game.
Bradham dropped him like he forgot the drink umbrella.
Hi-ho!
Is Donnie Jones the best punter in Eagles’ history? He’s gotta be close.
He has to be.
who else would be? dirk diggler?
If he had a name that rhymed with Eagles, it wouldn’t be close.
Feagles eagles
You think we can convince Donnie to change his last name to Smeagol?
I just think of an English Premier player when I hear a name like Donnie Jones.
block punt FTW
Griffin seems really hit-and-miss in the short and intermediate game. Throws a good deep ball so it’s odd that he’s not as good at the shorter stuff.
Finally made it online to watch the game, how’s Wentz looked so far? Is the D dominating or still getting into the groove?
Like a good rookie.
Wentz has had some hiccups but also made some big time throws and doesn’t look overwhelmed or outclassed at all. I’m very impressed.
Sure fire Hall of Famer.
He’s looked very good. Couldn’t realistically ask for more in a debut.
Last beer for the game, I think. Boulder Beer Mojo IPA.
I just finished a Bell’s Octoberfest.
I envy all of you right now. I have to stay sober and drive people to my cousin’s birthday party later tonight.
Uber.
Officials trying to keep the Browns in the game.
Thats the hold you call? after some of the rugby tackles the browns have done?
I’m a bit behind cause I paused for a bit while family visited. Just saw that call and it was AWFUL.
good screen
Lane figures since he’s gonna get suspended any day he might as well get his holds for the season in while he can
That screen was really close to breaking.
that’s Joe Haden down.
OK Donnie, time for another pooch punt.
32 pass plays/26 runs plays. Pederson has brought balance to the Force so far . . .
Who do I root against more…Cowboys or Giants?
Cowboys. they are evil.
Cowboys. Not even close.
Root for the meteorite.
Easy, you root for a meteor to strike the stadium.
Cowboys. No question.
theres that sack
cowboys, no question
see below.
The Dline is feeling it now.
Connor Barwin. Pass rush starting to amp up. Don’t have to worry about running game as much now.
Barwin beating the 9time pro bowler there
RG3 looks pissed during that sack.
Nice block, good discipline not to launch.
This is the pressure I expected in the first half.
Nice completely useless and penalty-inviting block on the return.
On first glance it looked like a potential horse collar call against Crowell as well.
One nice drive that results in points, even a FG, should seal it.
Run Ball. Eat Clock. Win game.
Eat clock, whew, my eyes deceived me for a second.
Wishful thinking gets the best of us.
we’re leading TOP, woot!
We won TOP, 31+ min already. When’s the last time that happened?
TOP is overrated. How are we looking for smoothies?
TOP doesn’t matter, right?
I really wish we could have drafted Carl Nassib.
Would’ve taken a 3rd round pick. I’ll take Wentz.
Maybe I’m missing something, but we did have a 3rd round pick
I’ll take some garbage time FPs for Mathews.
Seen some clever commercials today but little kids singing hair metal doesn’t do it for me.
I’ll take that over the new MacGyver.
The worst are the promos for the new Kevin James show . . .
yeah that looks fairly awful too.
Kevin Blart
Baffled by people who find him funny even the geriatric audience that watches CBS sitcoms . . .
Then again I don’t watch much TV
I did like the Geico commercial with Ice T and the kids lemonade stand.
Start mixing in a bit more Barner here. Looked decisive so far.
Don’t let MM hear you say that.
I know MM is not a fan of Barner, but EVERY time someone mentioned Barner, MM is brought up. Did Barner kick his dog or something?
I’d drop it, but MM regularly still spews his hatred of Barner on here. He still hasn’t forgiven him for making the team over Mostert.
Nice local selection:
why did i bench jordan…. SIGH.
You have to do again next week. I”m sorry. It’s for the good of the team and season.
I kept him in, so I get to play him all season. Sorry scratcherk.
100+yards for Matthews now
It looks to me like Peters moves early on every down.
He’s always gotten off exceptionally quickly. It’s close every time.
I know, I just can’t get used to it. I always expect a penalty
He’s been doing that for years. I don’t know how.
If he times it just right, he gets off a little bit early but the officials don’t have the eye speed to process it.
I don’t want to overhype things, but we get to watch that Wentz-Matthews connection for years to come.
Eagles need to get back enough yards to get into comfortable FG range.
Okay. There’s the Andy Reid influence we’ve been waiting for.
At this rate, Wentz is going to throw for 40+ passes.
Ugly
That’s just kind of the way things go for the Browns.
Agholor saving Wentz/Huff. Miracle.
NOW can we run it?
I love how they’re running the play clock down under 5 seconds every time. This is how you protect a lead.
Aghs!?
Who would have thought his habit of not blocking on plays like that would actually work out
ON Wentz?
Abs does really well when someone else takes care of the drop first.
Ags was actually awake and caught the ball again
He had a shot of expresso at half time and before the game.
And there goes FG range
God damn, they’re killing themselves.
Refs only one killing Eagles today.
They finally got JP
I said in the thread yesterday that the Browns were one of the few teams in the NFL that you could legitimately say ‘they suck’
Nothing I have seen today changes my mind otherwise. Just one bad team on both sides of the ball.
This is true. It’s also true that many people have been predicting the Eagles would only win 5 games. While I don’t think that’s impossible, the Eagles looked good enough today that I think that’s improbable.
One thing I don’t buy anymore is that trading Bradford is going to hurt our chances to win this season. Looks to me like Wentz for him is a wash at worst.
I was in the 6-game prediction and I’ll still stand by it. This game didn’t show that much.
Beat the shittiest team in the NFL at home. Nice to see a W but Bears are more interesting matchup for several reasons.
Yeah they beat a team they should beat. Didn’t really kill themselves with ill-advised penalties or turnovers.
Execution problems on offense but I expected that and for much of the early going too.
They beat a bad team soundly. No, it wasn’t always pretty, but we play in a horrible division where most of the teams are about the same level as the Eagles. I’m not on the, “We’re going to win 10 or 11 games and go to the SB” bandwagon, but I think 8-8 is very possible.
Eagles had issues on offense but showed promise as well. D played well. Could have been better, but I’m perfectly happy with giving up 10 and let’s face it, 7 were a gift from the refs.
Sorry guys.
need the fly swatters back from Chip…too many batted down balls
Adjustment process. Angles are tougher in NFL than FCS. He will get it
Back to remedial trigonometry.
‘soh cah toa’ wentz, soh cah toa
The Ice-T lemonade commercial made me laugh.
I did too but ask me again after I see it for the 253rd time this NFL season in Jan.
In Oct
loved it once. I can tolerate it for now because I happen to enjoy Ice-T, iced tea, and lemonade
Arnold Palmers? Not a fan unless it is some really good lemonade.
I’m somewhat puzzled that GamePass made a big deal of blocking the commercials during preseason, but I’ve seen every one since I’ve been watching today.
should be IG in the EZ
Unleash the hounds!
How is that not a safety?
Ow
oo, he got knocked the f up.
Jalen Mills will hit you.
or just flat out miss.
He reminds me of one of the old Madden games (mid-90s) when you dive and could look quite ridiculous in the missed tackle attempt.
especially if you run right into him head on as he’s trying to keep you inbounds
Mills broke RGIII
garbage td for mathews please
Run ball, run the clock.
For Matthews, please.
He’s *really* trying to get you that TD.
i appreciate his concern for my fantasy team.
way to break RGIII in his first game in garbage time browns.
Love this D
RGII got his bell rung.
Did u do that on purpose? Funny. . All 3 RGs got bells rung
no, but I wish I had.
Well lets use it nevertheless. U still get credit fir Stumbling into a good one
So much for the defense isn’t playing well bullshit.
th e D line was non existant for a long time
They weren’t doing a good job earlier, but I do think it was somewhat by design earlier for the ends not to lose the edge, based on RGIII’s running ability. Now they have their ears pinned back and are getting home.
Did they even give up 20 yards the whole second half? lol
Exactly. Lets also not forget that they have an ok line…with the best LT in football.
Rg3 looks high
Always.
/concussed.
Don’t think he’s feeling too high right now.
give the man a td!!!
Andrew Hawkins is about 5’2″. Not the guy is throw a jump ball to on fourth down.
good win ya’ll
Yep good stuff
Even better that Wentz looks legit
I think now we know a few things: 1. Carson is pretty good 2. Pederson is not Andy 3. the browns still stink
Throw a fade to DGB, just to scare future opponents.
yes please
If Wentz can keep this up he should be at least as good this year as SamB would of been.
if he keeps this up, he’ll be much much better
THanks for the TD mathews.
You earned it.
Game, set, match.
He deserved that
Good game Ryan
Beau Allen the Fullback. love it.
LOL Peters caught him mid air and put him down gently.
favorite moment of the game
LOL… Peters showing strong hands from his days as a TE
Eagles in my suicide pool worked out well today. I am going to try to ride whoever the Browns’ play especially on the road.
Have all of the makings of a 1-win road team.
Run the FB dive to Beau Allen.
OH, its coming.
Like a Sturgis
Kicking for the very first time
JP did not signal for a fair catch. He could have run with that.
The Jason Peters catch of Ryan Mathews is my favorite moment of the season thus far! Lol
I can’t wait to see it in GIF.
Didn’t expect this easy of a win. I had the Eagles covering the 3.5 but I thought it was going to be a 6-10 pt margin.
defense is crazy
Defense looked fresh in second half
But, but…TOP means nothing?
How many plays did we run ??
So fresh and so clean clean
I didn’t see them scoring 29 pts. I figured it was going to be a low-scoring game that the Eagles won with Vegas giving too much credit to a shitty Browns’ team.
Curious to see the line on the Eagles’ game next week.
How you like him now, Hue?
That makes it even more poetic for Wentz debut
As soon as I saw that story about how the Browns passed him up because they didn’t think he had the potential to be a top 20 QB, I thought “that’s it, he’s probably going to be the next Brady, win 6 Super Bowls, and end up in Canton”. That franchise is the George Costanza of the NFL – a team that did precisely the opposite of whatever they thought was best would end up building a dynasty.
They ran it?! We need sack stats!
I know they’re not defending run and running clock helps you, but tackle before 15 yards!
Okay, I’m nitpicking.
Gotta say, I kinda feel sympathy for RGIII now that he’s not a Redskin. No one deserved QBing for the Browns
I just want to savor the fact that we seem to have gotten first and fourth round picks to upgrade at QB. So nice to have a competent GM back in charge.
I don’t know how good Wentz looked overall, but don’t judge him based on the Browns. I don’t think many QBs are going to look bad playing them this season.
He did face some pressure today – 2 sacks, 8 QB hits.
His touch was lacking on a lot of short passes and he had some batted balls but he didn’t make any ill-advised passing/running decisions. That to me was huge especially in his debut with almost no preseason play.
He played within the game plan and didn’t make one bone-headed decision. Contrast that to a Vick or Sanchez.
He was up and down, but more the former than the latter. But Bradford would’ve been also, and Wentz made several throws today I don’t think I’ve ever seen Sammy B make. I’m not putting him in Canton just yet, but I don’t think there’s any way we’re looking at a downgrade at QB from that trade. At worst it’s a lateral move.
Standing in the pocket on third and fourth down getting blasted and completing passes beyond the sticks is automatically an upgrade.
Agreed. I did notice him lock onto his first read a few times, he threw a little hot and low on some of the short passes, and while there were no bad decisions today I think we’ll likely see some hiccups in judgment at times given that he’s a rookie. Overall Bradford might be able to equal him with veteran savvy. But in regard to sheer physical talent Wentz clearly has a higher ceiling. He reminds me a bit of Roethlisberger.
3rd and long wasn’t our defense’s weakness for once, that was nice
Geez this Packers-Jaguars game is crazy right now
Holy hell, yes.
Chiefs just tied SD with a minute left.
Yea just saw that, Packers finally closed out the game.
Matthews 7-114, 1 TD. 14 targets
34 rushes, 37 pass attempts
Wentz 101.0 Rating
how many passing yds for
wentz?
278
a lot more than I would have guessed in his first game! TY
Balance
I will say. Good game played by both teams. The signs of good coaching were there for both teams. Not a sloppy game in the least. Sure we had some drops, but that is to be expected at this point.
The difference was the offense today. Our skill positions and QB were clearly better than the opposition. JMat looked good vs Haden. RM and Mike’s guy both looked good behind a line that did its job.
The Browns adjusted their offense, and our D adjusted accordingly.
Good win.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say the Browns played a good game. That wild snap and the fake punt were both worthy of football follies, and they had plenty of other bad plays as well. Still, I agree it was a good win.
Meant more along the line of few mental errors and penalties. Bad snaps happen. Bad plays are drawn. Doesnt mean they were horrific. Not good by any stretch. That was a bettwr team than the Eagles were last year for sure
Didn’t see game but carsons stats look good. I know it’s the Browns but that first td was a big boy throw.
The 2nd was even better.
Nice game happening for Andy as well. Some interesting games happened, a good week 1.
Wait who do we want to win in Dallas vs Giants
Best answer from earlier . . . . root for a meteor to hit.
Credit xenyon
Xenyon Barner nice job
NYG. Just CANNOT ever root for the girls.
Just glanced at the box score. We were disappointed with the defense. Gave up 120 yards rushing, and 30 of them were in garbage time. Under 200 yards passing. A turnover and a sack. That’s a really solid opening game.
safety
Chiefs were down 21-3. Now tied 27-27.
I want an Eagles-Chiefs Super Bowl.
2019
Think positive. 2017 season is possible 🙂
Would somewhat lessen the blow for me if we lost.
Well, it was the Browns, and we’ll see what happens as the league gets more tape on him, but Wentz definitely looked like a starter with potential to be a star
Cox 1 sack 1 tfl, 2 QB hits
Graham 1 sack 1 tfl, 2 QB hits
Barwin 1 sack 1 tfl, 1 QB hit
KC – SD going to OT
Damn, Raiders just went for 2 instead of sending game into overtime. Converted, flag on field. On Saints. Lead 35-34 with 47 seconds left.
yeah great game
NO trying 61-yard FG for the win. Unlikely but in a dome.
No good! Raiders win.
I have no faith in either Dallas or NY’s defense. Still, hope we get a Sanchize siting 🙂
I want Dak to suck. This stupid hype train needs to stop asap – he does not have the throwing ability to be an NFL QB making big boy throws.
Don’t expect the Giants to make him look bad. 100 million spent on D and they still suck.
He very much does have the throwing ability to play in this league. It is unfortunate but true. He just has to put it all together, and so far it doesn’t seem as though he is having too difficult of a time.
Some close games were on today might be worth watching if you have the ability to.
JAX-GB
NO-OAK
SD-KC
May need to invest in NFL replay.
Damn what a hit on Elliot
hopefully the giants/cowboys both kill each other and had their own version of bounty bowl.
Chiefs win. I still root for Big Red.
As do I.
I follow Maclin as well, can’t help but root for the both of them.
However, just looking at the pass-run ratio frustrates the life out of me and makes me thankful that as an eagles fan we don’t have to put up with that anymore (touch wood)
Maclin get concussed today?
They were way behind today… had to throw (and completed the comeback). Normally Reid runs a lot more in KC than he did here. He at least knew enough not to take Morninwheg with him to KC.
I don’t think Chase Daniel could have done that today.
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Beating the Browns isn’t impressive, but how Wentz beat them was really impressive stuff… I was really surprised to see him play so much out of the pocket and look pretty good doing it..
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How many gifted mobile QBs DONT run at all in their debut? rare, most need to especially early in their career. Wentz didn’t need to run, we didn’t need to roll him out all day either. im shocked by how well prepared he looked from the pocket not even having played in the last month.. Also surprised he didn’t have to lean on his tight ends all day, and was even able to hopefully build some confidence in Agholar who had a really nice day. jordan Mathews is going to have a monster season
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It won’t be all sunshine and candy canes with the rookie, but this kid undeniably has that IT FACTOR… notice how Wentz didmt give two shits about Joe Haden being on the field, he didn’t avoid him, went after him as if he was anyone..,
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really Promising stuff
Didnt get game locally. Kendricks play?
Yes, but not too much because we were in Nickel a lot, and we went with Bradham and Hicks in Nickel
Ty
Pederson coached a real nice game. He had some stretched of real nice play calling. coached with some balls, had faith allowing the rookie to go for it on 4th down…. I can’t say the same about Hugh Jackson. WTF was that Fake punt? For a general manager, a head coach and defendwrs who all ran their mouths bashing Wentz in the media, he sure made that Franchise look silly today… good for him, and this was a team win, all 3 phases of the game played well.
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Once we got a nice lead, the DL was able to take over. Great sack by Barwin beating Joe T
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ROCKIN Rod Mcleod had a heckuva debut!
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On to Chicago! Like the Browns, their pass rush isnt anything Special. only had 1 sack today and it came from LB Travathan blitzing. but it’s never easy for a young QB on the road, but it’s a manageable matchup, hopefully we take advantage and start the season 2-0
Dallas O-line vs. Giants D-line. Its a joke. I could complete down the field passes in this match up. Boys line is dominating.
Dak train be full steam tomorrow…
He looks good. Hate to admit it. O-line is giving him all the help he could ask for, but he looks good.
His receivers are WIDE open…
Yeah I need to wait to see what he looks like after he takes some big hits and gets roughed up before I can buy the Dak Hype,
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So impressive to see how Well Wentz responded to some pretty big hits today. He never get rattled. Never saw happy feet, never even felt the need to start running… That’s the type of shit that matters, not whether Dak can throw a jump ball to Dez from a clean pocket
Way too early to say. Need to see him under some pressure more.
Lol Giamts spent a ton on their DL
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But the real joke is pathetic Giants OL, vs Non existent Dallas DL
I usually only bet $10 or $20 on games to make it more interesting.
I saw the -3.5 line for GB vs. JAX and thought that was completely ridiculous so I bet $100 on GB, because duh. Boy that was a close one. Feels good tho to win it with just .5 pts left.
Yeah Jax are a trendy team to rise this year. May be something to it.
anyone happen to catch The Hugh Jackson press Confrence? Hope the media Å‚et him have it
Wentz Highlights. Enjoy
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/no-2-pick-carson-wentz-sparkles-in-his-philadelphia-eagles-debut-202335303.html
Lol The dallas defense is just a joke.
No safety help with Scandrick on OBJ.
the Giants defense is equally funny, but more expensive.
Lol Eli might throw for 500 against this defense, Eli must be in heaven, he is facing the one DL that sucks so bad that they can’t take advantage of the Giants weak OL
leaving ODB 1 on 1 is idiotic smh
Billy Davis disagrees.
HA!
The Cunundrum is Dallas Pathetic DL will never generate pressure rushiñg only 4…
So people that saw the game tell me your thoughts on wentz. HOF or GOAT?
Could be a top 5 QB one day.
Not a top 20 QB
It was a really good start. Some mistakes, but nothing that can’t be worked out. Made a few really beautiful throws – both TDs and a few 1st downs. No panic. Made good decisions throughout. Didn’t have to use his athleticism for us to generate offense.
Nothing but highly encouraging.
So we traded Bradford away and it cost us nothing.
During the game, several of us went, Wow – Bradford would/could not make that throw. Bradford trade looks awesome. Get Howie a beer.
cool thanks for this
(11 million paid in march )
They will rename HoF to Hall of Wentz.
He got confused by some of the formations the Browns brought in the 2nd quarter, but they sorted it out after half time and he seemed to read the field better and speed up the game.
Some of his passes were beautiful, power, accuracy and touch at times. Loved how he controlled the game presnap and seemed to execute that aspect of the game better than any QB i remember in a rookie year let alone their first start. Showed enough to be really excited about the future.
If he leads us to a win against the Steelers, then this becomes Wentzylvania
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#GingerGunslinger
From a bradford lover he was a little slow to process but also made some really good throws, especially deep and on the run. Hard to make anything of this game b/c we’re playing literally the worst team in the league.
I think there is A LOT to make of this game. I understand it was against the Browns, but he showed some things that an NFL QB needs.
My thoughts are Thank You Cleveland…. Looks like they picked the wrong yeà r to start passing on QBs in the draft. And if they really think RG3 can be their Savior, then God bless their simple hearts
Just waiting for Deshaun
Not goat. Legit. Comfortable and confident. Real arm, knows how to use it
Who looks better Wentz or Prescott?
Wentz. Prescott has a better suppoting cast and still only has 6 pts to show for it.
Not his fault his WRs dropped 2 TDs.
Prescott gets so much time just to make like a 7 yard throw that it actually disgusts me.
Hard to say. They both look like they can play in the league. Dak is getting a cleaner pocket and less pressure.
Worse… pprescott bettrr than romo
We will have easily 10-15 yrs to watch & determine
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Dak better than Romo unfortunately
Danny Shelton wasnt a major Factor today, and our run game was solid, so I assume Kelce had a pretty solid game? Hopefully having bulked up makes a difference. We ghas success running to both sides today.
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Mills looked like he held his own but hopefully the Leodis injury isn’t serious
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Barner gave us a spark
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I hate to say it, but the most Dissapointing player on offense today was Sproles with a few costly drops, but he is proven enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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The most important thing we accomplished today was getting Agholar going. hopefully he Can build on this solid game
Um I think the most imp thing was 11.
Yeah but that’s obvious low hanging fruit
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Apparently when Pederson and Reicht were raving about him being ready for this, they weren’t blowing smoke up our ass
I know it’s just one game and it was against the Browns but Doug seems like a very solid coach. Maybe it’s just a breath of fresh air from Chip Kelly’s incompetence but I’m pro Doug Pederson now.
Good play calling
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solid with penalties for the most part Outside of our starting OL needing to familiarize themselves with Wentz Cadence cleaning up the false starts.
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dominated time of possession for the first time in Years
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Coached with some Balls, showed faith in the kid and the offense going for it on 4th.
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Most important, they managed to prepare the kid for this even tho he was the 3rd string QB all offseason
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It was one game, but Pederson and his Staff deserve to be praised for today.. The challenges will get tougher, but hopefully we will improve too.
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pederson, schwartz, Greg Lewis, Fipp, Reicht, DiFilipo, Duce all deserve a tip of their Cap for our first test..
He does seem like a guy who won’t outsmart himself. That part is good.
Kelly was only bizarrely incompetent his last year, though that year was bad enough to obliterate lots of good memories the first two.
Should have gotten Ramsey. They need him.
No pressure either way in this giants girls game
My Stafford start x2 in Fantasy is looking good so far. Everyone is getting fired in Indy – the fact you cannot build a semi competent team around Luck is just awful mismanagement.
Grigson and Pagano have to go… Unfortunately they can’t fire their owner
Indy is the most overrated team and Luck is the most overrated QB of the past 5 years. That team is hot garbage.
Easily the play of the game was the 4 and 4 completion to Ertz for the 1st down from the Browns’ 41.
It was still 15-10 at that point in a close game and Wentz stood in there to take a decent hit from the unblocked blitzing LB. Eagles never looked back after that play.
I love maniac Eagles’ fans. In the postgame, Roseman is a genius, Wentz is ‘the real deal’ and almost every caller is talking 9 or 10 wins and playoffs.
They won a game against the worst team in the NFL at home. This was a game they should have won and did.
I was just hoping Wentz came out today and didn’t hurt their chances of winning today. He did that and more today. Gives you something to watch now in the early going & hopefully some competitive football in the process.
Beating a bunch of crap teams got Washington into the playoffs last year.
True. Next week is another one of those games too.
If get to 3-1 at the bye, I can understand a bit more optimistism about the playoffs.
Roseman is a genius, Wentz does look like the real deal…I’m still only projecting an 8 win ceiling because the Oline sucks, the WRs are atrocious, RB is a ticking time bomb and the defense gave RG3 all day to throw today.
Id love yo see a few less hits taken by CW
That was the OL especially in the 1st half. I thought Wentz held on to the ball too long for one sack but most of the pressure generated on him & sacks/hits weren’t due to Wentz.
Playing against this cowboy defense must be so much fun. Average secondary, playing behind no pass rush, two of three LB’s are average at best. Dak is lucky they have a great offense, because the kid will have to put up 30pts a game just to have a shot at winning
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I love how much our DL usually gets up to play the Cowboys OL, and how our DL has been dominating the Giants OL for years
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kurt Cousins is the real division X factor. If last year Wasnt a Fluke, they are probably more well rounded then the Cowboys and Giants, curious to see if Josh Norman is as good as he was in Carolina
This season is about Carson Wentz looking poised, playing with composure, and flashing big time throws.
He did all that today. A lot to clean up, but looked like a franchise QB.
Can’t ask for much more, even it was against the Browns.
Thought OL looked bad.
We need dallas to start the year on a nice little losing streak instead of building confidence that they can win without Romo. After what they went thru without Romo last year, starting the season on a losing streak could really mess with that teams Psyche… Rooting for the Giants hard today, since we OWN the Giants anyway
Good point
39:20 to 20:40 TOP today. Thank you Doug. F you Chip
it’s the browns
Yeah like what I saw from Wentz for game 1 but generally I need to see this team against a real squad before I have any serious optimism
What’s amazing is they had that type of TOP but still threw it a ton.
I dont get it exactly .. but i get it
WTF Eli?
Elliott is going to be a good to great RB for about 3 years. Then he’s going to fall off a cliff. He’s getting punished and runs violently. Only AP can get away with that.
He’s very young., not sure he’ll be over the hill at 24.
I think he will be good for longer than that…he’s like 21 I don’t think he will just be done in 3 years
He may end up like Ryan Mathews.
Mathews played every game in his 4th year but maybe he will have constant issues.
Well Dak will be better for longer .. Wentz/Prescott 15 yrs of NFC rivalry
Love 12 year veteran Eli Manning throwing the kind of inexplicable, boneheaded interception we worried about rookie Carson Wentz throwing.
LOL he threw it before he even looked over there
Seattle and Miami are kicking the crap out of eachother. Old school football game
Nice to see Morris Claiborne still sucks.
Wentz absolutely looks like the real deal. I went on record before the draft saying from the limited tape I saw that Goff was more ready than Wentz by quite a bit. I’m happy to say I was very wrong. One game…blah, blah, blah…You can tell when you see Webtz in live action, up close that he has “IT”. We made the right choice. I have no idea how good he’ll become but I have ultimate confidence in the kid progressing quickly to that ceiling. After just one offseason of pro coaching the kid has fixed most of the pocket concerns I was worried about and looks like a 10 year starter in the making. And, despite playing against a trash team today he put up almost 300 yards 2TDs and no picks with absolutely no help from the rest of his offense save one Zach Ertz one handed catch. Love what I saw today.
Id say Matthews came up big today. Browns had no answer for him in the slot or on the outside. He had two silly drops but he also bailed out the QB with some diving catches
I know what you’re saying, Matthews played well but I wouldn’t say on the one he bailed out Wentz. It was a very good throw only Matthews could get.
Seems that Wentz throws the ball up and expectant receiver to catch when in single man coverage. I think it makes the receivers concentrate more on the catch.
Dave Spadaro – ‘That is an impressive debut as you will ever see.’
I have come to really enjoy Dave’s hyperbole and the inevitable counter reaction it generates.
I agreed with Spadaro though that it showed a lot of faith the Eagles let Wentz take that many pass attempts today and most importantly go for it on 4 & 4 at a critical junction with a pass play.
I think it was more about the number of plays they ran vs number of passes thrown. 73 plays is a lot, hard to run it 50 times in a game. Pretty good balance IMO.
Amazing that we ran more plays than the average Chip game but still dominated time of possession…funny how it’s totally possible to do both.
it’s the browns
One thing I noticed was that Clevelands safeties and CBs had no respect for our WRs. They played press all game with both safeties within 8 yards of the LOS. I was shocked we didn’t take more shots. Only two, the over throw to Matthews where he seemed to stop running for no reason and the TD to Agholar. Other than that we let them crowd the line. Hopefully Doug takes the training wheels off Wentz soon and someone steps up as a legitimate deep threat.
New thread.