Hit the Road

Posted: September 6th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 270 Comments »

Eric Rowe got traded to the New England Patriots today. We’ve been talking about this for a week or more and it finally happened.

The details of the deal still aren’t exactly certain, but here is what we think the Eagles got – a 2018 4th round pick that can become a 3rd rounder based on certain incentives. Initially the Pats included OL Josh Kline. He reportedly wasn’t a player the Eagles wanted. They were going to shop him around the league in hopes of landing a late round pick. For some reason, Kline was taken out of the trade. It doesn’t sound like the Eagles will get any additional compensation, but we’ll have to wait to have that verified.

Go read articles about the deal and a lot of people see this as Howie Roseman and the coaches getting rid of another Chip Kelly player. That’s just lazy thinking. Rowe is 6-1, 205. He runs 4.45. You think the Eagles, who have struggled to draft and develop DBs for years, didn’t want Rowe to pan out? That’s nuts. Roseman, Doug Pederson and Jim Schwartz would have loved for Rowe to have a great summer and win a starting job. The Eagles would love to have a big, fast CB playing at a high level.

The problem is that Rowe didn’t play well. He really struggled in the spring and early part of the summer. Rowe did get better, but never came close to playing at the level that was expected of him. Rowe played Safety for most of his time in college. He is most comfortable seeing things in front of him and then going forward. That doesn’t work in the new system. Schwartz likes to mix in a lot of press coverage. That requires the CB to turn and run with the receiver. The DB then has to be able to feel when the ball is coming, He reads clues from the WR and relies on feel/instincts. This is where Rowe struggled. Even when he broke up passes, Rowe looked iffy, as if he was guessing on the ball. That worked okay against backups, but wouldn’t fare so well against starters.

I think Rowe can still be a good player, at CB or possibly S. But he needs to be in the right system. Schwartz’s didn’t fit him. You can rip Schwartz for not being able to figure out Rowe and get him to play well, but no coach is going to get every player to succeed. Schwartz got all the guys on the DL to adjust well. He got Jordan Hicks to play well. He got Jaylen Watkins to play the best football of his young career. Nolan Carroll is playing well right now. Rookies Jalen Mills and C.J. Smith outplayed Rowe this summer.

Marcus frickin’ Smith had a breakout summer. And he missed time with a concussion. Schwartz gave him opportunities and Smith took advantage of them. Rowe made minimal progress. Worse, he never looked really comfortable playing in the new system.

Hitting on all those guys and missing on Rowe…I’ll take that.

And as for the Chip Kelly nonsense…if this was really about him, why is Josh Huff still here? Why is Kenjon Barner still here? Why is Nelson Agholor still here? The Eagles could have traded him after the strip club incident and said they were just moving on. They kept him and the coaches have done nothing but praise Agholor this summer. The coaches love Jordan Hicks. He’s now the heart and soul of the defense. Ryan Mathews is going to be the starting RB.

A little secret for you here. The Eagles kept players who played well. They got rid of guys who didn’t. It really is as simple as that. Winning football games is hard. You don’t have time to go around getting rid of players who were brought in by someone else for the heck of it. You keep good players no matter where they came from or how they got there. If they fit the scheme and the price is right, you keep those guys around.


Trading Rowe opens a roster spot. The Eagles could promote CB C.J. Smith to the roster. They could also re-sign LB Najee Goode. That makes the most sense to me. The Eagles still need a third QB. That could factor into any moves.


Don’t think that Howie is done tinkering with the roster.

I was surprised when the Eagles kept both Wiz and Andrews. From what I hear, the coaches love Andrews. Wiz is a better player and might have some value as teams look for help with interior O-linemen. You’re only going to get a late pick, but better that than nothing. And moving one of them would open a roster spot. As noted above, the team could use a LB or QB or possibly a CB.


270 Comments on “Hit the Road”

  1. 1 Bert's Bells said at 9:23 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Short term, Goode is probably the only guy who could be active Sunday.

  2. 2 Hit the Road - said at 9:29 PM on September 6th, 2016:

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  3. 3 Charlie Kelly said at 9:31 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    idk, i think we might actually need whiz at some point this season

  4. 4 Sean Stott said at 9:32 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    seumola and andrews can both play center so what else is the issue

  5. 5 Greg Richards said at 9:35 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Depends on how competent you think Andrews is.

  6. 6 wee2424 said at 2:25 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Seumola hasn’t practiced at C in the NFL at all. You really want Andrews on the field?

  7. 7 Charlie Kelly said at 2:56 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    playing OG. whiz is better than both, issac has potential but is young..

  8. 8 bushisamoron said at 9:32 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    The stockpiling of picks appears paramount. If Bridgewater does not hurt himself, then no draft pick starts this year. We are not a good enough team for that. The FO wants flexibility to move up and back in the draft.

  9. 9 Stephen E. said at 11:55 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    You’ve been listening to Howard Eskin too much. I hate when people act like the past perfect tense doesn’t exist. e.g. “If Bridgewater had not hurt himself…”

    I was honestly confused.

  10. 10 ProbablyDrunk said at 12:19 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Wait I thought we were rolling with Isaac at LG?

  11. 11 Buge Halls said at 9:38 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Liked the trade when it included another player to somewhat make up for giving up a 2nd round pick for a 4th (we all know Belicheat will pull Rowe when he’s getting close to making it a 3rd!)c- even if we just shopped the new guy. But getting just a 4th is not a good deal.

  12. 12 anon said at 9:39 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Late 4th at that.

  13. 13 Greg Richards said at 9:45 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    NE is going 0-16 this year.

  14. 14 RobNE said at 10:42 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    It’s a 2018 pick. And this is Brady’s last year

  15. 15 mark2741 said at 9:50 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    I actually think Howie snookered the Pats. It’s clear they didn’t like him and I suspect they might have cut him but were hoping to trade him for any pick. The Pats gave up more than they needed to, IMO.

  16. 16 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:24 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Not Neccessarily…. If we cut Rowe, it’s probably unlikely that the Pats would be able to claim him off waivers… There are probably like 10 teams ahead of the Pats in the waiver wire order that would pick up Rowe… I assume Chip and his weak secondary would try to claim him…. The Pats are too low in the waiver wire hierarchy to be able to claim a kid like Rowe… Trading for Rowe was probably the only way the Pats could get him

  17. 17 mark2741 said at 9:30 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    But they shouldn’t have had to give up a 4th+ to get him. My guess is that either Howie snookered them completely by intimating that they liked Rowe, or he led the Pats to believe he had good offers from one or more of those teams ahead of them in the claim order.

  18. 18 RC5000 said at 9:50 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    It’s acceptable if he was going to ride the pine all year because his value would have gone way down.

  19. 19 FairOaks said at 9:59 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Sort of a like a new car, a drafted player will be worth less than the pick you used even if you tried to trade him the very next day.

    DGB was drafted in the same round, same year and he just got back basically Josh Kline without the pick. And if Rowe plays well in NE, maybe that pick turns into a 3rd, which is a very substantial pick.

  20. 20 Greg Richards said at 10:10 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    The Pats were going to cut Kline if they didn’t include him in deal(and apparently now are going to cut him). It appears no other team would offer anything for Kline. When the deal was first announced with Kline, from what I read at least the reaction was mostly to overwhelmingly positive. I don’t see how not getting Kline changes that.

  21. 21 FairOaks said at 10:21 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    I’d still like the trade, but not knowing anything about Kline, it sounded like we were also getting another backup OL at about the Wiz level (i.e. better than Andrews etc.) which many of us still think of as a need. If he’s basically roster bubble (not much better than Andrews to begin with) then yeah, doesn’t matter much. I’d be happier with better conditions on the pick.

  22. 22 A_T_G said at 10:18 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    But literally no one wants Kline, not the Pats, not us, and not the teams Howie called. The last vehicle I bought unexpectedly came with a fancy key chain that showed up in the mail a month later. Kline was that key chain.

  23. 23 daveH said at 11:03 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Pats.y Kline on Death Rowe Records
    Too valuable to split

  24. 24 Matt Hoover said at 9:58 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Big mistake to trade wiz were 1 injury away and lane Johnson suspension away from Tobin at rg

  25. 25 RC5000 said at 10:03 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    I don’t like trading him with Wentz at QB. What is one of the biggest worries with rookie QBs? As Mike Mayock said taking too many hits. Keep a strong, deep OL.

  26. 26 anon said at 10:05 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Think moving [Bradford[ means we’re rebuilding, non-starters and old guys are probably on the table.

  27. 27 Greg Richards said at 10:06 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Could willingness to trade Wisniewski indicate they don’t expect Lane to be suspended at all? Of course, the B sample hasn’t even come back yet – supposedly.

  28. 28 Corry said at 10:07 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    I think it’s an indication that they just really like the young guys (Seumalo (sp?) and Andrews).

  29. 29 RC5000 said at 10:10 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Andrews is on the trading block.

  30. 30 Corry said at 10:12 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Alright then, just Seumalo.

  31. 31 RC5000 said at 10:21 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    They like Andrews. But I just don’t think it’s in same category as Seumalo if he’s on trading block. Its not like anyone’s going to offer more than a 7th round pick at this point for a Josh Andrews.

  32. 32 Corry said at 10:23 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    No, and I think they have him on the trade block more or less to see if there’s any interest there. I can’t imagine anyone values him more than the Eagles do, though. Wiz on the other hand would probably net you at least a conditional 6th based on playing time or something. Wiz’s problem is that he’s only on a one year deal, so whoever would trade for him is basically getting a possible rental.

  33. 33 FairOaks said at 10:12 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    If they can get a bigger return for Wiz, I assume Andrews would then be off the block.

  34. 34 RC5000 said at 10:16 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    If they REALLY liked Andrews he wouldn’t be on the trading block , no way.

  35. 35 FairOaks said at 10:17 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Yep, good point. I tend to agree that I’d rather just keep Wiz… too much risk otherwise of bad OL play getting your QB killed this year.

  36. 36 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:20 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    No… Think it’s an indication that Wis wants out of Philly, since it doesn’t look like this is a situation conducive to earning the Longterm contract he is looking for

  37. 37 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:19 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I hate the thought of trading Wis, but I get the feeling that Wis is not happy here and he is the one pushing for a trade. If that’s the case, no point in keeping a disgruntled player on the bench

  38. 38 mark2741 said at 9:33 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I was just about to post something to the effect of, “Is Wis the biggest jerk in the NFL, because he can’t seem to find a team that wants him around long even though he’s played well during his career as a starter,” but I think you nailed it – if Wis isn’t starting then he knows he’s better off going somewhere that would give him that shot, since he’s on a 1 year prove it deal.

  39. 39 Corry said at 10:06 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Getting draft picks makes sense especially for guys who a) don’t exactly fit the system or b) are older. Stock piling picks allows us to build a team around our young QB and/or move around in the draft.

  40. 40 Jernst said at 1:06 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Yea but trading up in the 2nd round for young talented players and then trading them just one year later for 4th round picks two years in the future isn’t the most efficient method of stockpiling picks and building up the young talent on your team.

  41. 41 FairOaks said at 2:49 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Hopefully we don’t change coaches every year, true…

  42. 42 Corry said at 7:06 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    True, it’s not efficient, but it is better to get the 4th (with the possibility of it becoming a 3rd) than just straight up cutting the guy isn’t it? Rowe did not look good and I honestly think his status as a 2nd rounder was all that kept him on the roster knowing he could net something in return in trade.

    I would rather they had kept the guy and given him more time (rather than hanging onto Mills) but this is better than nothing in return.

  43. 43 Jernst said at 12:10 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Well yea…anything is better than nothing. But, like you said, I’d have rather kept Rowe and worked on his technique for another year or moved him to safety, than keep Mills who I think lacks the physicality to overcome his lack of speed and therefore will never do much more than shine in shorts and then get toasted in our bump and run scheme once the pads go on.

  44. 44 Insomniac said at 10:06 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    IMO, Mills was just as bad as Rowe.

  45. 45 RC5000 said at 10:14 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Mills was a 7th. You’re not getting that trade for him.

  46. 46 FairOaks said at 10:15 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    But he probably has more potential to be good. Rowe is probably least good at press coverage, which I assume Schwartz wants to use more, so Rowe could still excel on another team — just not ours. It’s disappointing since he did show promise, but if we can get a decent draft pick (and 4th round is decent in my book) then I’m OK with it. Mills I’m sure has better hips, so he could probably play eventually, but still needs to learn other skills.

  47. 47 BlindChow said at 1:56 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I seem to remember reporters saying that press coverage is where Rowe excelled?

    This was in reference to him not looking good during practices, but since his strength involved jamming and hitting receivers at the line, he might show up better in actual games.

  48. 48 Anders said at 2:38 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    wtf? Rowe’s only good skill at CB was his press coverage.

  49. 49 FairOaks said at 2:42 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Sorry, more turning and keeping up afterwards. Yes, he was good if he got a hand on them. There must have been something that Schwartz just did not like and didn’t think Rowe could ever do.

  50. 50 Jarock said at 11:43 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Mills was the media’s darling till the pads went on. Then he all but disappeared. Too slow and too grabby. Combine that with can’t/won’t tackle and I’m actually slightly surprised he’s on the team. Felt Smith was better by the end of preseason to be honest.

  51. 51 Jernst said at 1:03 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Most other positions can overcome a lack of speed with some regularity, CBs who can’t run fast are extremely rare.

  52. 52 ProbablyDrunk said at 12:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Yeah but where’s this narrative coming from that Mills is slow?

  53. 53 Jernst said at 5:53 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Ummm…his 4.61 40 yard dash time at the combine. It’s literally the reason he fell to the 7th round. That and his lack of speed actually showed up on film quite a bit this preseason as he showed a propensity to get beat deep and looked a step slow and lacking recovery speed.

  54. 54 CrackSammich said at 10:07 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    I think people here would be tickled pink if the two trades were
    1. Rowe for DGB
    2. Kelly for a 4th.

  55. 55 Corry said at 10:08 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    I would have been tickled pink with Kelly for a bag of footballs.

  56. 56 A_T_G said at 10:13 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Just not from the Pats; they would be flat.

  57. 57 Bert's Bells said at 10:21 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    yehbut MOAR footballz in da bag!

  58. 58 anon said at 10:07 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Bradford already splitting first team reps at Vikings practice.

  59. 59 ChoTime said at 10:09 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Come on, new coaches do get rid of players they didn’t draft and irrationally hold on to ones the did. It happens. He’s played one year!

    Death Rowe
    Had to go
    No one knows.

  60. 60 Matt Hoover said at 10:10 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Hicks is safe

  61. 61 Corry said at 10:25 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    As is Logan and Ertz. And even Watkins (even though he was yo-yoed around a bit).

  62. 62 daveH said at 11:00 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Logan Hicks ..great artist. Ha you made me think …

  63. 63 A_T_G said at 10:28 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Chip shipped out quality players willy-nilly.
    The cupboard bare, fans ache.
    Ownership bristled and shipped Chip out of Philly,
    Howie won’t mimick Chip’s mistake.

  64. 64 Bacon & Iggles said at 12:17 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Brilliant. lol

  65. 65 ChoTime said at 12:50 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Taco Friday was replaced
    by shakes with dubious powers.
    If only Lane would check his shit
    ‘fore taking in strange powders.

    Howie kept the stadium stocked
    with unis, jocks and cleats.
    While Chip went mad, and we got bad
    and counted our defeats.

    And now the Birds are in a flux
    and no man’s job’s secure.
    We’re dropping players left and right
    Why? No one knows for sure.

    It’s finally clear, it’s Howie’s show
    win or lose the game.
    And if these draft picks don’t pan out
    We’ll know who is to blame.

  66. 66 Greg Richards said at 6:57 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Damn, who knew Eagles fans had mad poetry skills?

  67. 67 A_T_G said at 7:20 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I bow to your superior word smithing.

  68. 68 myartz04 said at 10:21 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Less than a week away from real football. Holy shit I’m excited.

  69. 69 Cracker Ass Red said at 10:58 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Anyone else think that Kelce could be on the block? They have Wiz, Andrews, Seumalo, and a guy on the PS that can all play center. Kelce is the only one that would net them anything worthwhile.

  70. 70 Dragon_Eagle said at 11:25 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Interesting hypothesis.

  71. 71 Cracker Ass Red said at 11:30 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Seumalo played his best in college at center. Wiz has been serviceable at guard. Gordon has showed a lot of promise at guard with the possibility of moving o one of the tackle spots in the future.

  72. 72 RC5000 said at 12:25 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Why not wait until after the season. You’re probably not going to get more for him in draft choices now so close to the season. Teams want to have a whole off-season to build chemistry.

  73. 73 Dan said at 11:53 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Not at all, would be death to our team this close to the season, in my opinion way worse than trading Bradford.

  74. 74 Bert's Bells said at 11:57 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Doubt they move a starting OL with the future of the franchise under center.

  75. 75 Media Mike said at 4:26 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I don’t think so due to how close we are to the start of the season and how few snaps anybody else took at first team center.

    Hot seat for sure.

  76. 76 Cracker Ass Red said at 8:13 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    WIsniewski was a starter at center.

  77. 77 Rob Jarratt said at 6:06 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I’m going to be less kind than the posters below, CAS. Why in the world are you suggesting Kelce is on the block? Sure, while changing the QB position, might as well switch out the QB of the offensive line. Makes perfect sense. So, let’s begin the season with a rookie QB who hasn’t played more than the first preseason game and then have him centered by someone who has little to no experience on the NFL stage. Recipe for disaster.

  78. 78 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:16 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Smh WTF is wrong with Eagle fans? People are losing their minds

  79. 79 daveH said at 10:58 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    If German eagle had read this to me over a Spaten in a noisy Hoffbrau, id have asked him … ‘”since when did you start reading of Spadaro mate ?”

  80. 80 Rellihcs said at 4:30 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Then leave if you dont like Tommy.

  81. 81 Aaron said at 4:30 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    you wanna piece of me pal

  82. 82 daveH said at 7:39 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Is that how you read it? Incorrect conclusion.

  83. 83 Rellihcs said at 7:40 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Oh ok. Then why mention Spadaro?

  84. 84 daveH said at 9:09 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Cuz spuds always spins every decision is the right one .. he has a franchise agenda so you can’t get unbiased insight from him. Which is cool. Actually i dont even know since i stopped reading spuds so long ago ..the moment i found t law in fact
    Was subtle..but not that subtle. Why so defensive about Spadaro ?
    Cool yo defend him but i hardly insulted him ..

  85. 85 GermanEagle said at 5:43 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Don’t like Spaten. Much rather prefer Franziskaner!

  86. 86 Allen3000 said at 11:02 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Although we’ve come
    To the end of the Rowed
    Still I can’t let you go….

  87. 87 daveH said at 11:05 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    Pats.y Kline on Death Rowe Records

  88. 88 广告任务网 said at 11:14 PM on September 6th, 2016:


  89. 89 HawaiianEagle said at 11:20 PM on September 6th, 2016:

    It’s only 5:18PM here and all the trade rumors are done till tomorrow. Sad. Gonna rewatch us beat pats last year, that’ll cheer me up…

  90. 90 Bacon & Iggles said at 12:21 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I like to do that from time to time, too. Though I prefer to say “I’m going to watch us not lose to the Pats again.” With that being one of those signature Kelly games where we just could not play with a lead to save our lives, and all. lol

  91. 91 Media Mike said at 4:25 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    “And as for the Chip Kelly nonsense…if this was really about him, why is Josh Huff still here? Why is Kenjon Barner still here?”

    Why indeed?

  92. 92 GermanEagle said at 5:42 AM on September 7th, 2016:


  93. 93 eagleyankfan said at 8:10 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Um, it’s not like they didn’t try to get rid of Huff(or Aggie?). HR brought in a handful of vets etc. to take a look. Barner — Eagles drafted an RB(who is on the 53) and another RB who’s on the practice squad. Point is — those are two silly questions….IF Huff was such a stud, a trade wouldn’t have been needed to get a WR…..

  94. 94 Fufina said at 4:57 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I don’t like the trade, because the return does not justify giving up on a 2nd year player who flashed talent in year 1. It is a different scheme and has new roles and responsibilities for a corner to execute, but Rowe is hardly the first young player to struggle with a scheme change and then get to grips with it during the season and next offseason and be in a place to contribute 12 months later.

    Especially because we have 2 aging CB’s with short term deals – finding long term starters at CB is a vital step for the teams long term future, and i think any 4th round pick is going to project no better than Rowe to be a starting CB in this scheme in the future.

  95. 95 eagleyankfan said at 8:12 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I’m guessing — value. Wentz in = total rebuild. Stock pile picks? Not sure what else to think….

  96. 96 Anders said at 8:16 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I trust Schwartz, Pederson, Howie and Undlin (who coached him last year) enough.

    Will the Pats maybe make him good? Yes, does it mean it might become good here? Most likely no.

  97. 97 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:59 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I hear you…. I don’t see how any fan could be excited about that trade… But it’s much easier to swallow when you have a highly respected defensive Coordimator that we really trust
    While we don’t like the trade, im sure we would like it a lot less if they ended up cutting Rowe
    Personally, I would have kept rowe This year and next summer before I even considered giving up on him, especially when its not like we have an abundance of yoûng corner talent
    But what’s most dissapointing is not trying him at Safety before we gave up on him
    No point crying over spilled Milk, hopefully Mills or another young player step up and become the young corner we hoped Rowe would be

    Hopefully the Compensation has been slightly adjusted since we aren’t taking Kline

  98. 98 GermanEagle said at 5:48 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    One thing that people have to be wary of is not threatening our team chemistry by throwing virtually every player into trade scenarios..

    Peters, Sproles and Kelce are players unlike the ones recently traded that have a huge influence on other veterans and especially younger players on this team.

    I really don’t think that any return would trumpet the potential loss.

  99. 99 eagleyankfan said at 8:14 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Sproles/Peters are no longer core players. That train ended with the Bradford train. Love me some Peters and Sproles. But their age + rookie QB = not long term plans.

  100. 100 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:21 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    SProles and Peters are important to the development of Carson… And NOTHING should be more important than that, especially now that SAM is gone..
    There is value in keeping a check down weapon like Sproles for our developing yoûng QB
    And People have really lost their damn mind if they think we even have close to enough OT Talent to be able to part with JP right now… It’s probably more important that we not get Carson Killed than to get an extra 6th round pick

  101. 101 eagleyankfan said at 8:40 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Continuity — sure it’s nice. Lots and lots of rookie QB’s that were extremely successful in their careers didn’t have a Sproles or JP. I get what you’re saying. From an Eagle fan perspective. For overall growth — it’s over rated. I’m not comparing Wentz talent, just the situation — P. Manning and Luck etc. all go their tails whipped their rookie seasons. They turned out just fine. Eli gets his tail whipped daily lol. Again, I’m not saying they aren’t talented and I’m not saying they wouldn’t help. I’m just saying they are not in the future when this team achieves it’s ultimate goal. If HR gets the right trade — he has to think about it. Eagles would still survive….

  102. 102 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:53 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Luck and Peyton manning played for the worst team in the NFL that deserved the #1 pick…. Our team had the 13th pick during a yeàr where we under achieved and exhibited all the signs of a poorly coached team, and our roster is clearly improved from the roster that under achieved last year while still not being bad enough to get a top 10 pick…. BIG DIFFERENCE than the talent Peyton had to work with as a rookie
    Peters and Sproles wont be part of our future, but neither is the player we get for some shit 7th round pick we would get for trading them
    You don’t learn and develope just by stepping on the field… You want to develope Wentz? Than we need to protect him and give him the time needed to execute… A young QB isn’t going to Develope if he is getting killed every play because he has no time to throw… Wentz needs to EXECUTE in order to improve, and that can’t happen if you sorround him with dog shit in the name of adding a bunch of other 7th round picks
    The better the offense around Wentz, the better chance he has of executing, thus the more he gets out of playing this year
    Wentz is in a much better position than what Peyton was drafted into…

  103. 103 ACViking said at 10:05 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    You’re dead wrong abt the talent around Peyton Manning in 1998.

    RB Marshall Faulk
    WR Marvin Harrison
    OT Tarik Glen
    TE Ken Dilger

    These are just the HOF and Pro Bowl players. The rest of the O-line was composed of players who had lengthy, solid careers (save Tony Mandarich).

    Wentz has no Faulk. And certainly no Harrison.

  104. 104 ChoTime said at 11:06 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Speaking of, how is the roster improved from last year? It’s the same players minus the QB and the RB.

  105. 105 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:35 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Bradford is the only player we lost who the coaches wanted on the team.. I doubt the front office and coaching staff views demarco, KIKO, Maxwell, Miles Austin or Riley Cooper as playërs they wish were still on the team
    guard was the biggest weakness of last years roster, and that has been upgraded nicely
    We may not view our WR as significant upgrades right now, but only a moron would rather have Coop and Miles Austin
    Walt Thurmond had a nice season, but only a moron would claim that McLeod isn’t a significant upgrade
    We have more depth at LB than we had last year, and only a moron would think Bradham isn’t an upgrade to what KIKO gave us last year
    Our DE position is improved now that Curry counts as an edge rusher, MS2 has made some improvement and the addition of Means… Lol MS2 and Means would probably start at DE for the Cowboys on Sunday
    Doesn’t take a genius to realize that Leodis will probably play better than what Maxwell was last year
    not only have we upgraded the team almost across the board, but I think last years roster underachieved and showed all the tell tale signs of a poorly coached team. The roster may not be drastically improved across the board, but it takes a real moron to not see that this roster is easily better in plenty of areas than last years team

  106. 106 ChoTime said at 11:56 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Only a moron, like only a moron would think the Vikings would trade for Sam Bradford?

    First, we were talking about offense, and you are mostly talking about defense. Yeah, we have a nasty little DL.

    Still, the upgrades you mention are very slight, realistically, changing out weak starters for average starters, maybe, but mostly re-arranging the furniture. It’s not at all clear WR will be better, and it’s just as likely Sproles and Peters and Matthews will decline as counting on these in-house improvements.

    Be honest and look at the good skill position players around the league and compare them to what Wentz is going to have to work with.

  107. 107 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:57 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    What position groups with the exception of Losing Bradford will be worse than last year?

  108. 108 FairOaks said at 12:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I’m not completely sure that the CBs we have are better than Maxwell last year. He was good, just not worth the money. We’re getting better bang for our buck, but Maxwell was still the best CB last year. But hopefully the line is good and makes it easier to mask any CB deficiencies. I think we have better depth for sure.

  109. 109 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:23 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Nolan was our best corner Last year in his first taste of extensive outside cornerback experience, I expect him to build on that this year… we lost boykin, and JaCorey so we didn’t really even have slot CB, having to play Jenkins in the slot… Brooks is no world beater, but better than any slot CB we had last year.. Leodis has a richer pedigree than Marshall who only had success for a year or two playing with 3 all pro DBs…I don’t think Leodis is the answer at starting CB the last 3 years, but the play of Leodis under Schwartz was easily much better than what Maxwell gave us last year
    I feel confident that our secondary is the best in the division, for whatever thats worth,,, think the secondary will prove to be much better than last years unit

  110. 110 FairOaks said at 11:42 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Right, and keeping the best talent around him. You don’t want to replace Sproles with a guy who can’t catch passes, or Peters with a turnstyle who will get Wentz killed. If we had heir apparents waiting in the wings, that’s one thing… but in general I’d like the most talent around Wentz that we can — seems like that would be the best bet for him to learn and do well. You want to take as much pressure *off* of Wentz as you can.

  111. 111 bubqr said at 7:44 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Watch him become the starting Pats safety !

  112. 112 Tdoteaglefan said at 8:04 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I totally expect that, i could envision him taking over for mccourty in a few years just like i envisioned him taking over for malcolm jenkins here.

    I love swartz as d coordinator but when has he ever been a great evaluator of Db’s? When has he ever had great corners aside from the ones he inherited in Buffalo? It always seemed like the secondary was always the weak link of his defenses.

    Not happy about giving up on rowe so soon, and hope that we made the right decision

  113. 113 bubqr said at 9:05 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Agreed on all points. Very disappointed by the decision to let go of him without even trying him at safety, which is where I always thought he’ll end up. I found him very overrated last year, people were in my opinion getting a bit too excited by his play as I saw clear speed/agility limitations (even the INT he’s praised for, he was 1/2 steps behind the receiver then with no help over the top), but given his history, body type and physical approach, I hope we’d give him a shot at safety.

  114. 114 Anders said at 9:09 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    By the time Rowe should take over from Jenkins or McCourty, he would have left in FA.

    Rowe might be good with the Pats, but that does not mean he would be good here.

  115. 115 RobNE said at 8:14 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    so we are just going to take the same pick from the Pats without Kline? That’s what I’m hearing. Where is the upgrade? ok ok the upgrade for a player we don’t want, but still.

    I agree with the folks below who don’t like this trade.

  116. 116 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:42 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Haven’t seen any clarification yet, but it sounds like it

  117. 117 Dave said at 8:20 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Byron Maxwell said his reason for coming to Philly last year was “Cash flow, all day.” Chip saw growth mindset when he looked at Byron, Byron saw growth of bank account when he looked at Chip.

  118. 118 Anders said at 8:23 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Chip also forgot the part of growth mindset when looking at him self.

  119. 119 Dave said at 8:28 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I said this more than once, it was amazing that Chip was so gung ho about everyone around him having a growth mindset when he himself was such a closed minded individual.

  120. 120 Gary Barnes said at 11:07 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    emotional intelligence

  121. 121 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:42 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Can’t wait to see the Rams DL unleashed on Chips offense

  122. 122 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:39 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I think trading Wisnewski for some shit late draft pick is a terrible idea because nothing is more important than protecting the kid, especially now when we are one hit away from Chase Daniel which would easily be worst case scenario for this season.
    Initially I was annoyed when I saw the report that they want to trade Wis, but thinking about it, it’s probably likely that Wis is the one asking for this trade, it’s no secret that Wis signed hoping to get a long term deal that he already feels as Tho he has earned. For where he is in his career, I can’t blame Wis for not being willimg to sit the bench which really hurts his ability to ever get the contract he wants..
    Since it will be we weeks before the NFL suspends Lane, Barbie Doll is starting at RG, and once they suspend lane, Barbie moves to RT and by then Seumalo should be ready to start… So unless Brooks or Kelce get hurt (God forbid) it’s going to be difficult for Wisnewski to get playing time this year… I really would love to have his ability, experience and G/C versatility on the bench, but I certainly understand why Wisnewski would want no parts of that..
    So initally I was Dissapointed seeing HOWIE trying to trade him, but realistically its probably what Wisnewski wants, heck he may have asked for it, and I can’t kill Roseman for trading a backüp who doesn’t want to be here.

    Although the report is that they are trying to trade Wis and josh Andrews… Don’t we need to keep at least 1 of our 2 Backup centers? Seumalo may be able to play Center and Guard for us long term, but he needs to focus on the guard position during his rookie season..
    Josh Andrews isn’t fetching us anything worth a damn in a trade…but we should be able to get a 6th or a 7th for Wisnewski, especially if a team suffers an injury at starting G or C…. Maybe we can do one of those trades where we use Wis to move up one round in the draft like the Eagles trading a 5th and Wis for a 4th.. Or something like that
    DO NOT TRADE SPROLES! A check down weapon like him will come in handy for our developing young QB… And we will need our ST to play well more than ever now that we are going with the kid.

  123. 123 Tumtum said at 8:48 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    As I think Gary said yesterday these casualties happen in scheme changes. I have one question though. Wasnt Rowe drafted and toutes here as a press corner?

  124. 124 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:27 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Eagles gave Sturgis a 1 yr extension,,
    Pats officially cut Kline

  125. 125 GermanEagle said at 9:36 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    So it looks like the 4th is not even conditional..?!

  126. 126 Steve Smegal said at 10:12 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Yeah I am really not a fan of this move. What a waste of a pick.

  127. 127 RobNE said at 10:23 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    BGN saying it’s believed to be conditional, could move up to a 3rd. So who knows.

  128. 128 mksp said at 9:36 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Trade official.

    Have no problem with moving Wisniewski. Signing a marginal vet, increasing his value and trading him for a pick is essentially creating a pick out of thin air.

  129. 129 mark2741 said at 9:36 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    All I know is – I am going to start trusting my eyes more with regards to draft picks and players in general. Last season, the first time I watched Rowe try to cover a WR it was obvious he lacked the agility to turn, lacked the quickness (regardless of his alleged 40 time) to stay with quick receivers. Same with DeMarco Murray last preseason – the dude ran like a lumbering slob and looked like the slowest guy on the field.

  130. 130 SteveH said at 9:59 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Rowe has consistently struggled when he has to turn to stick with receivers who make a cut at the top of their routes. I don’t know whether its his hips or what, but its not something that got better.

    He’s better when he can just run and use his size and speed to stick with a receiver, but even then as we saw this preseason his technique looked very suspect.

    I’ll be curious if the Pats see him as a corner or a safety. Regardless I’m ok with moving him. The Eagles wouldn’t have shipped him out if Schwartz thought he could play for us.

  131. 131 MattE said at 1:16 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    “Game Speed” is real

  132. 132 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:33 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Rothlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Mark Sanchez, Luck, RG3, Russell Wilson managed to make the playoffs during their rookie seasons…
    Realistically there is no way we can go into this season expecting Wentz to take us to the playoffs, but my hope is that Wentz wil have enough success to at least make this an entertaining season. regardless of who our QB is, it doesn’t change the fact that our rivals ARENT very good this year, so hopefully Wentz can at least keep us in the division hunt… there is nothing worse than waiting months for football to start, only to be eliminated from contention by Halloween. Fortunately, I dont think anyone in our division will be good enough to have more than a two win lead over the rest of the division at any point this season, so hopefully when we get to DECEMBER we will still be playing meaningful games.. That’s really all I can ask of Wentz. Just be good enough to keep us in the hunt of what should be a wide open division
    our division isn’t any better than it was when RG3 took the skins to the playoffs and had that big rookie season running around like a chicken with his head cut off and throwing to his first read all year.,. i DONT think there is any question that Wentz is more developed as a passer than RG3 was as a rookie. Wentz will read defenses better, and is more advanced in terms of seeing the field and going thru his progressions than RG3 was when he took his team to the playoffs as a rookie, and Wentz has the running ability that was a huge part of Rg3 rookie success.
    It’s not fair to go into the year holding Wentz to the standards RG3 set as a rookie, nor is it fair to expect Wentz to take us to the playoffs, but hopefully the kid can play well enough to keep us in the hunt and make it an entertaining year. I don’t ever want to be in the position we were in during the 2012 season when our year was OVER by Halloween. fortunately Our rivals really suck this year!
    I want to see a hungry, aggressive, Physical defense that takes on the challenge of carrying a team with a rookie QB. I want to see coach Fipp continue to produce one of the better special team units in the NFL, and I want to see an Offensive line that moves the ball in the run game, and protects Wentz giving him enough time to have some success and grow over the course of the season.
    Hopefully come December, Wentz has us in the mix to win the division one or two games out of first place. Give me that, and I can live with the results at the end of December. I have no idea what the kid will be capable of as a rookie, but I do feel confident that our Rivals ARENT good enough to run away with this division. When we aren’t good enough to have realistic expectations of contending this season, the next best thing is hoping for an entertaining season and constant growth over the course of the year
    Few people expected us to win the division with Bradford, so we really can’t expect to win the division now… With that said I dont think we are any worse than the Washington team RG3 took to the playoffs, and our division isn’t much stronger than it was during RG3’s big rookie season, so while its not fair or realistic to expect The Wentz led Eagles to be the favorite to win the NFCeast, it may be a mistake to waive the white flag on the year just because we are going with a rookie QB

  133. 133 Tumtum said at 12:59 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I think this defense is easily comparable to the Jets D when Sanchez got the start. Offense isn’t all that different either.

  134. 134 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:11 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    What haoppened to the Patriots the year Sanchez won the division as a rookie? Was that the year Brady got hurt, Cassell led them to 10 wins but still missed the playoffs?

    I really don’t think highly of this cowboy and Giants roster. Skins could be the top dog in the division depending on what Cousins looks like, I really liked our chances to win this slop division with Bradford. But who knows what the Wentz led offense will look like.. If I had to guess, 7-9 or 8-8 is probably a fair expectation, but expectations are proven wrong all the time in the NFL
    hopefully the OL can stay healthy so we can give the kid the best chance possible, and we need the offense to make the most of the short fields provided by the defense
    Think it’s safe to assume that only the team that wins the division will make the playoffs. unlikely that we will see a Wildcard team come out of the NFCeast

  135. 135 anon said at 10:44 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    didn’t rowe shut down odb last year? he went up against ones all year and i thought did pretty well, but then i think sammy dollaz is a franchise qb so what do i know

  136. 136 Nick C said at 11:17 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I dunno how the trade goes from a conditional 4th and OL Kline to just a 4th. I would have liked to get at least a 3rd (and this year instead of 2 years away), because the Pats almost always draft at the end of the round. But if the coaching staff really didn’t see ANYTHING in him, I guess it’s whatever…

  137. 137 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:25 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Depends if the Eagles were viewing Kline as value that we were getting in return, or if we were going to take him off the Patriots hands as a cap dump so that the Pats WOULDNT have been responsible for his contract…
    We are assuming that we were viewing Kline as value that we were getting in return that we could trade… But it could have been the other way around, where taking his contract off the Pats hands could be part of the reason they were willing to make that 4th round pick a conditional pick, but now that we aren’t taking Kline, the trade isn’t AS Attractive to the Pats, which in turn causes them to remove the chance that it could become a 3rd round pick, making it just a 4th round pick
    Fans are assuming that Kline was part of our compensation, but he could have been viewed as a Cap dump that we had to take in addition to giving the Pats Rowe to get them to give up a 4th that could become a 3rd

  138. 138 ACViking said at 12:11 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Actually . . .

    Trading Kline would have INCREASED the Pats’ dead money in 2016 — NOT saved them money.

    Cutting Kline SAVED the Pats’ $250,000.

    So your theory, while interesting, is contradicted by the facts.

  139. 139 FairOaks said at 12:19 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    That’s odd… normally a trade is better or the same as a cut cap-wise (better if there is future guaranteed salary). Wonder if there was a trade kicker or something. But yeah, the numbers aren’t high enough in Kline’s case to make that much of an issue either way.

  140. 140 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:01 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Depends on what part of Trade ledger Kline was on,
    The assumption is that it’s Rowe was traded for Kline and the 4th(conditional 3rd)
    But it could have been the Pats give the Eagles the draft pick. And the Pats get Rowe and the ability to dump the kline contract on the Eagles.. Any Cap saving matters to a team like the Pats who are all in, Super Bowl or bust mode
    Clearly the Pats don’t want Kline, since they cut him when the Eagles didn’t take him… I would assume the Pats had already tried to trade Kline, so it didn’t make much sense that the Eagles were accepting Kline as part of the compensation for Rowe, but were hoping to trade Him, since obviously the Pats couldn’t find a taker

    I just heard a report that the Rowe trade was completed, the Eagles get a 4th, no mention of conditions that could make it a 3rd round pick either way… Those conditions are built in long shots, and probably not worth much more then the cap saving of a Cheap cpntract like Kline,
    Just speculating…

  141. 141 Tumtum said at 12:58 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I get the vibe that he doesn’t care enough o practice like he plays.

  142. 142 D3FB said at 11:16 AM on September 7th, 2016:


  143. 143 RobNE said at 11:45 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I am not on Twitter but find you very informative, if you could just repeat all your twitters here that would be great ok?

  144. 144 D3FB said at 11:54 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    85% of my Eagles or draft related content gets repeated here.

    Also be less of an old stooge and get twitter.

  145. 145 RobNE said at 11:57 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    ok good

    Grandpa Simpson says no way, yells at cloud, turns Matlock on.

  146. 146 Rellihcs said at 11:50 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    So you’re saying that it’s possible non of the teammates went to his birthday party?

  147. 147 GermanEagle said at 11:59 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    Posting your own tweets here is a sign of geniusm. 😉

  148. 148 D3FB said at 12:02 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I am now paid by a major digital media corporation for my thoughts on the Eagles, I have transcended retyping 140 characters.

  149. 149 ACViking said at 12:15 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Coach –

    What’s up on the job front?

  150. 150 D3FB said at 12:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Still underemployed and searching but doing Eagles coverage for Bleacher Report on the side.

  151. 151 RobNE said at 12:41 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    what are you looking for, maybe IB connections can help.

  152. 152 D3FB said at 12:44 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Liberal Art Econ degree, so just about anything entry level business related (preferably not sales, don’t really have the personality for it) in the Philly, Allentown, Downingtown triangle.

  153. 153 MattE said at 12:57 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    multiple buddies of mine have gone the head-hunting route…. seem to be good gigs money wise & easy to get a foot in the door (probably good for networking in general).

  154. 154 Tumtum said at 12:57 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Look at you! Don’t be above selling out dude. No hippies allowed around here!

  155. 155 MattE said at 1:05 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    if you never sell out then everyone assumes no one asked you too lol

  156. 156 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:17 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    I don’t expect wentz to be some world beater this year… But I hope he plays out of his mind, and has some Monster performances against the Browns and Cowboys who had a shot at getting Wentz.
    After the classless Browns went on record trashing Wentz to the media about how they didn’t think he was worth the pick and that they don’t believe he will be a top 20 QB, Wentz has an opportunity to make that franchise look really foolish this week. RG3 is probably going to take a beating this week in the Linc, and I assume our Defense will make Him look really bad, if Wentz can put together a big time performance, that franchise is going to really feel some negative Heat next week…
    I understand that wentz will have plenty of struggles this year, but for just this one week, I want to see him have the game of his life. it’s Classless for a teams front office to trash another teams draft pick publically. the Browns need to get what they deserve, RG3 getting scraped up off the LINC floor all day, while Wentz torches that weak Browns defense, causing the Browns to have to answer questions all next week about why they passed up on Wentz.
    i so badly want Wentz to look amazing on Sunday, while RG3 looks as Incompetant as ever.
    Wentz did an interview with Angelo Cataldi (WIP) this morning, and was asked if he had any revenge on his mind going into the Browns game. To no surprise, the poised Wentz refused to take the bait, but I hope that all of our WR’s and OL are fully aware of the Browns public anti Wentz comments, step up and rally for the rookie this week
    It’s one thing for young WR’s to make mistakes and drop passes for a veteran like Bradford, but that can’t happen with a rookie QB, it’s time for the young WRs to grow up quickily, step up, elevate their games and rally around the Rookie QB…
    Wentz just needs to avoid throwing at Joe Haden, and not throw to the TE or RB who is matched up against Kirksey because that LB can cover…
    Now that Roseman managed to recoup almost all our draft picks for next year, if the Browns are still having a yard sale, I hope Roseman tries to get Christian Kirksey off the Browns during next years draft to eventually replace Bradham, or at the very least, Kirksey has a chance to become a stud in coverage (nickel) that we hoped To see from Kendricks which hasn’t happened

  157. 157 RobNE said at 11:46 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    is it definitively now only a 4th, with no condition to become a 3rd?

  158. 158 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:04 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Seems that way

  159. 159 nicolajNN said at 12:10 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    McLane said on twitter that there are conditions based on playing time tied to the pick, no further detail yet though

  160. 160 Greg Richards said at 12:13 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    When Eagles officially announced Bradford trade in transaction wire, it was for 2017 1st and 2018 4th. We know that that 2018 pick can be elevated. I assume it’s the same with the Rowe trade. We just don’t know the exact conditions. I assume that it’s pretty difficult for that pick to become a 3rd.

  161. 161 D3FB said at 12:21 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I’ll guess it’s a Pro Bowl escalator.

  162. 162 Greg Richards said at 12:23 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    McLane said it was based on playing time. Didn’t know specifics.

  163. 163 Stephen E. said at 11:59 AM on September 7th, 2016:

    “Why is Nelson Agholor still here?”


  164. 164 scratcherk said at 12:54 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I understand the hate but dont agree with it. It’s his sophomore season and he showed flashes last year. Needs to improve a lot obviously but waaay too early to give up on him

  165. 165 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:03 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    exactly… on average WR’s don’t start realizing their potential until year 3

  166. 166 Julescat said at 1:10 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    some never do

  167. 167 Julescat said at 1:10 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    hands of stone
    can’t create separation

  168. 168 ChoTime said at 2:00 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    That’s what she said.

  169. 169 D3FB said at 12:00 PM on September 7th, 2016:



  170. 170 Mitchell said at 3:13 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Omg omg omg!!!! Its happening! I didnt even reas the whole article and frankly, I dont care why he was released. PICK HIM UP HOWARD! We need another qb, BB!

  171. 171 Ark87 said at 12:40 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Well, Josh Kline probably needs a hug wherever he is

  172. 172 Greg Richards said at 12:40 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Pats signed LB Quentin Gause to their PS.

  173. 173 GermanEagle said at 12:45 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Won’t surprise me if he becomes a starter eventually under BB.

  174. 174 MattE said at 12:51 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    not everyone is Patrick Chung

  175. 175 GermanEagle said at 12:52 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    But BB is the one.

  176. 176 MattE said at 1:05 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    the Dark One

  177. 177 mksp said at 1:25 PM on September 7th, 2016:


  178. 178 GermanEagle said at 1:00 PM on September 7th, 2016:


  179. 179 GermanEagle said at 1:01 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    MM will love the last 20 seconds!!

  180. 180 RobNE said at 3:43 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    why does he say Barner should be cut?

  181. 181 CrackSammich said at 2:09 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    That’s… the most I’ve ever heard Fletch say.

  182. 182 MattE said at 1:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Rather compete for a bad NFC East or build for the future?

  183. 183 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:27 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Don’t think they have to be mutually exclusive… I don’t know about you, but I spend too much money on Tix to not root for a divison title..
    Hoping we can develope our puppies while being competitivr in the division down To the very end… I want meaningful games in December.

  184. 184 Mac said at 1:37 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Compete. I would like to see this defense come together and perform in the top 10, special teams continue to be special, and offense perform at least around the top 20.

  185. 185 Insomniac said at 1:40 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Why not both?

  186. 186 CrackSammich said at 1:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Probably went something like this:
    Eagles: 4th isn’t enough for Rowe
    Patriots: We’ve got this guy, Kline, that we’re going to cut. Want him?
    Eagles: Eh, there’s already a couple players on our roster that are the same guy. Let me call around to see if we can move him or Wiz or Andrews, because I’d rather keep the roster spot open for someone else and we don’t need another backup OL.
    Eagles: Now that it’s obvious that these guys aren’t worth the pick, you can keep him and we’ll roll with the guys we’ve got. Can we get that conditional 3rd we were talking about still?
    Pats: No.
    Eagles: Fuck it.

  187. 187 Bert's Bells said at 1:24 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    The information was probably leaked by Kline’s agent (or Rowe’s). No reason for reporters to not believe him.

  188. 188 Anders said at 2:54 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    But we got the conditional 4th that can become a 3rd

  189. 189 RobNE said at 1:54 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Does Peter King not have an editor? setting aside the run on sentence, see if you can find the mistake. This is like 2 sentences into his article.

    As for the Steelers, I sense a disbelief that the season ended the way it did, with a crushing loss mentally and physically in Denver, coming off a Ravens-Steelers type of vengeful match in Cincinnati the previous week that robbed Pittsburgh of wideout Antonio Brown for the AFC semifinal loss.

  190. 190 ChoTime said at 2:10 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Can’t stand that b___rd.

  191. 191 Mac said at 2:55 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Hold up, Peter King doesn’t have a beard… … Ooooh.

  192. 192 HawaiianEagle said at 3:41 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Beard was Tom Jackson…

  193. 193 Bert's Bells said at 2:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Positively Homeric.

  194. 194 Steve Smegal said at 2:11 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Per McLane, the 4th becomes a second if Rowe plays more than 50% either this year or next. Seems unlikely unless there is an injury to one of the starters.

  195. 195 GermanEagle said at 2:27 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Or if he gets the Boykin treatment.

    Joking aside I don’t think it’s that far fetched that he’s going to play 50% of the snaps next year at the latest.

    It’s much better than a pro bowl condition!! Well done; Howie.

  196. 196 Steve Smegal said at 2:32 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Woah, just read that I wrote it became a second, edited that to correct it as a third.

  197. 197 RC5000 said at 2:39 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    That’s actually really good. Better than I expected the best to be which was 50% of both years. That way if he pans out for them we get a 3rd.

  198. 198 GermanEagle said at 3:12 PM on September 7th, 2016:


  199. 199 Insomniac said at 2:39 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    He sure as hell won’t be getting that unless there’s multiple injuries during week 1-3

  200. 200 RC5000 said at 2:41 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    So some people are worried he’s going to become good in New England but no way he can play half their games or time in 2017-18?

  201. 201 Insomniac said at 2:47 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Why do you think he’ll be good in NE? The Patriots aren’t any better at developing CBs than any other team in the league. BB can put them into positions to succeed but that’s not even a guarantee regardless of how talented you are.

    How is he going to beat out the already established proven starters when he couldn’t beat out just guys on our team?

  202. 202 RC5000 said at 2:55 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I don’t think it’s a lock either way. But I’ve heard many say he could be come good there.

    You apparently think there’s no way he can play half their games in a season out of 2 seasons as strongly as you worded it.

    At any rate, if he doesn’t, getting a 4th it will be fine for someone who can’t play half the time in a season in 2 of his first 3 years.

    If he’s good, a 3rd isn’t that bad in a year we have no second right now.

  203. 203 RobNE said at 2:50 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    exactly. Thanks for putting it so well.

  204. 204 SteveH said at 4:19 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    We win either way. If he does alright we get a higher pick, if he sucks ass then we get to know the Eagles made the right move in getting rid of him when they could and for such good compensation.

    The only way we lose is if he becomes a stud corner and then we look like asses for getting rid of him.

  205. 205 Mac said at 2:53 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Fantasy football question: Start Luck (who may die with that oline vs a nasty Lions DL or who could get off to a hot start against a weak secondary) or Wentz (who may look like a rookie vs Cleveland or demolish them because… they’re Cleveland).

  206. 206 Insomniac said at 3:05 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    You’re putting a lot of faith in our WRs. Go with Luck.

  207. 207 Mac said at 3:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    That’s a good point. Thanks!

  208. 208 HawaiianEagle said at 3:24 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I’ll take our WR over Luck’s swiss cheese OL…

  209. 209 Mac said at 3:27 PM on September 7th, 2016:


  210. 210 peteike said at 6:01 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Luck all the way

  211. 211 A_T_G said at 6:17 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Well, this might be your last chance to start Luck…

  212. 212 Tumtum said at 6:29 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Its week 1. Think about where you drafted luck (and if you even drafted Wentz). As of this week you go Luck and you sleep like a baby.

  213. 213 Nailed It! said at 3:14 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Pretty healthy going into the weekend at least. Curry was limited (Knee) and new WR Treggs Out (knee).

    Lets protect Wentz and suffocate RGIII for a quick W

  214. 214 RC5000 said at 4:07 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Patriots Corners contract situations in ’17-’18 which relates to reported Rowe draft pick conditions. Obviously they can get extended or re-sign if free agent:

    Starter Logan Ryan is UFA in 2017
    Starter Malcolm Butler is RFA. They can match but he could get interest.
    Cyrus Jones rookie signed in 2017-2018
    Justin Coleman ERFA
    Jonathan Jones rookie signed in 2017-2018

    Eric Rowe listed as 3rd RCB on unofficial depth chart on their off website.

    They are carrying 6 safeties.

    McCourty signed in 2017-2018
    Chung signed in 2017-2018
    Duron Harmon is UFA in 2017
    Nate Ebner signed in 2017-2018
    Jordan Richards signed in 2017-2018
    Brandon King is ERFA in 2017.

  215. 215 A_T_G said at 6:14 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    “Eric Rowe listed as 3rd RCB on unofficial depth chart on their off website.”

    Is this the same unofficial depth chart that had Kline as the starter?

  216. 216 A_T_G said at 6:16 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    But good find, by the way. Don’t interpret my snark as a dismissal.

  217. 217 Bert's Bells said at 5:04 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    538 forecasts the Eagles at 7-9

  218. 218 SteveH said at 5:06 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Shit, isn’t pretty much everyone forecasting the Eagles about 7-9?

  219. 219 Bert's Bells said at 5:08 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Actually, could be rounded to 8-8, I was being cynical.

  220. 220 HawaiianEagle said at 5:30 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    So can the deadskins, only percentage points better than us…

  221. 221 Bert's Bells said at 5:44 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Yup. They give Washington 29% chance to win the division, the Eagles 27% and the Giants 25%.

    Dallas on the outside at 19%.

    Still, that’s an NFC-E that’s completely up for grabs.

  222. 222 Fufina said at 5:19 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Well all the power rankings have us 27-31 type range, so seemingly not. My expectations is 6-9 wins for the year, and 7 wins seems about perfect.

  223. 223 iceberg584 said at 6:12 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Well, actually 8-8 if you properly round…

  224. 224 Bert's Bells said at 6:31 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Yeah, I was being realistic.

  225. 225 iceberg584 said at 6:15 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    NFC East Champion chances:
    Washington: 29%
    Philadelphia: 27%
    NY Giants: 25%
    Dallas: 19%

    As you would expect, no other division is as wide open.

  226. 226 Ark87 said at 8:22 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I guess the data of what that Cowboys team was sans-Romo last year absolutely torpedoed them in that projection. But I think that run-game is going to make Dak into the next Nick Foles. It will make him looks waaaaay better than he is, so we’ll get to see the wheels come off that at some point months (hopefully) or years down the road, so that would be fun. Anyway, hard to give anyone in the division better or worse odds.

    Though I think we have way more ways of being a trainwreck, so I’d probably give us lesser odds. Not saying I think we will be the worst team in the NFC East, I just think we own waaay too many scenarios in which this team is just terrible, so that has to be worked into our odds.

  227. 227 ChoTime said at 7:28 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Seems pretty reasonable to me.

  228. 228 Bert's Bells said at 8:56 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    They’re statisticians so they’re not going by “gut”. I don’t follow their method here but it seems logical.

  229. 229 GermanEagle said at 5:41 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    When looking for the Browns injury report I just stumbled across this report:


    Lol. Good luck with that…

  230. 230 HawaiianEagle said at 5:50 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    If nothing else – we get some help in early season games from opponent suspenions

  231. 231 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 6:14 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    To Tommy’s point about the Rams organization being not great — very strange, having watched Hard Knocks — to see that the strength and conditioning coach is the guy who physically walks players to Fisher’s office. This is stranger to watch than it sounds. And Fisher just sounds so burned out. Something weird going on in that building.

  232. 232 A_T_G said at 6:21 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Is he the muscle to protect Fischer (and the water cooler in the hallway) from irate muscle-bound galoots?

  233. 233 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 9:54 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    It has that vibe, but its hard to know if its intentional. Just odd.

  234. 234 eagleyankfan said at 7:40 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    From Roto: Although he averaged just 2.8 yards per carry on runs behind or off tackle on 110 attempts, DeMarco Murray averaged 4.6 yards on runs guard to guard last year, behind only Spencer Ware, Thomas Rawls and Adrian Peterson for all backs with 50 or more such attempts. (makes you question why he wasn’t used more up the middle – but not that it matters. So in fantasy football — couple the above stat with: After Mike Mularkey took over for Ken Whisenhunt in Week 9, 56 percent of the Titans’ running back runs were run from guard to guard. — Maybe DM wasn’t such a reach. Hope he does great in Tenn. 🙂 …

  235. 235 Media Mike said at 7:42 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Chip = imbecile

  236. 236 wee2424 said at 7:47 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    He is a talented back. Chip horribly misused him as the stats you provided suggest.

    The only reach about him last year was Chip reaching to force him into a scheme he blatantly was not meant for.

    Horrendous coaching on Chips part.

  237. 237 ChoTime said at 10:59 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    4.6 ypc would have made him the 14th most efficient runner in the league, which is much better than 41st (where he ended up).

    The best RBs get in the 5.0 range. Hey! Look, there’s Mr. Ryan Matthews at 5.08 ypc, the 2nd best mark for any RB.

  238. 238 Cafone said at 11:41 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Ryan Mathews can be one of the best RBs in the league this year.

  239. 239 eagleyankfan said at 8:49 AM on September 8th, 2016:

    unfortunately — CK also ran DM to the outside. Where he was terrible. According to Roto – DM had the worst differential (negative) between running inside vs. outside in the nfl…

  240. 240 Media Mike said at 7:44 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Good lord are the Saints embarrassing.

    They have a ton of dead money this year
    They have some dead money next year
    They’ll have another $18 million of dead money in 2018 when the new Brees deal voids.

    And still suck.

    They totally should have sold Brees in March.

  241. 241 Dave said at 8:49 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    That’s not Howie do it!

  242. 242 Media Mike said at 7:48 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    So if I’m making a quick NFC Power Ranking
    16) Niners
    15) Giants
    14) Saints
    13) Bears
    12) Rams
    11) Falcons
    10) Bucs
    9) Eagles
    8) Cowboys
    7) Lions
    6) Washingon
    5) Vikings
    4) Packers
    3) Carolina
    2) Arizona
    1) Seattle

  243. 243 phillychuck said at 8:17 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I could (optimistically regarding Wentz) see the Eagles as high as 6, right behind the Vikings. Could also see them as low as 14 if things go wrong, though, as well.

  244. 244 Media Mike said at 8:18 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I can’t really see a 9 win playoff type team here. I’d welcome it though.

  245. 245 GermanEagle said at 9:17 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I could see the Vikings finish 0-16, then the Eagles drafting Watson #1 OVR, before trading Wentz to the Vikings for the next 3 1st rounders.

  246. 246 ChoTime said at 8:36 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Why do you have the Giants lower than us? And the Falcons and Bucs who both beat us last year?

  247. 247 Jarock said at 9:05 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Swept Giants last season. Lost by 2 to Falcons in Atlanta and our D looks much, much better. Bucs you have an argument as they look improved as well.

    I wouldn’t have ranked the Cowboys in front of us. Only team that really made us look bad in the East was Washington.

  248. 248 Jarock said at 9:12 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Bears might be better than expected given John Fox teams tend to improve in his second season. Given, they haven’t looked good at all this preseason. Expect the Vikings to be worse. Changing QB’s this late is a recipe for disaster and Bradford’s never managed to win more than 7. Cowboys D is going to be horrible.

    Lot of mediocrity after the top 4 teams. Almost drop in a hat mediocrity.

  249. 249 eagleyankfan said at 8:18 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    ok fantasy folks — cj Anderson/Henry for Rawls/Reed. PPR league. would you trade for Rawls/Reed? Option 2: Murray/Henry for Rawls/Reed? Or would you stand pat with the RB’s? (my other rb’s are R.Mathews and Ware. My current TE is Barnidge)

  250. 250 Media Mike said at 8:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Sit tight with Anderson and Henry.

    And which Murray in the 2nd trade?

  251. 251 eagleyankfan said at 8:20 PM on September 7th, 2016:


  252. 252 Media Mike said at 8:30 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I’d be more likely to do that, because only one of Murray and Henry can actually contribute, but I’d want both Rawls and Christine Michael along with Reed to cover my rear end.

  253. 253 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:41 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    My draft is about to start. Got first pick. Any reason I should take someone other than Antonio Brown?

  254. 254 eagleyankfan said at 8:48 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    PPR? Nope, no reason. LOL. He’s pegged to be a monster this year…

  255. 255 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:50 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Not PPR. Standard yahoo scoring.

  256. 256 GermanEagle said at 8:53 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Still not reason not to take him.

  257. 257 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:04 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Done. Someone took J. Winston 5th overall. #$#$%&@???

  258. 258 myartz04 said at 9:04 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    If you aren’t drinking the Wentz Kool aid yet, I suggest reading Jeff McLane’s piece on him…pretty cool, makes me feel like we got ourselves a quarterback.

  259. 259 Dave said at 10:26 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    That was a good read. I found this fascinating:

    “The West Coast offense comes with extensive terminology, but Pederson has changed almost half the plays so that only one word is called in the huddle. Former Eagles coach Chip Kelly popularized this method in the NFL, although in the interest of his up-tempo offense.”


  260. 260 ChoTime said at 9:14 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    DVOA Projections just came out:

    They have us at 27th in the league, with 7.2 wins.

    They have WAS _below_ us, but NYG and DAL above. However, they have WAS also with 7.2 wins, and NY and Dal with 8.0. So the spread between NFCE teams is 0.8 wins!

    I don’t know how much they have figured in recent developments.


  261. 261 ChoTime said at 9:16 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    They’ve got Cleveland at 32nd.

  262. 262 Jarock said at 9:17 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I agree with them on how close the gap is between the teams. I’d have Philly higher, but hey, I’m a homer 🙂

  263. 263 Jarock said at 9:24 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    One issue I have with their DVOA of Philly is they have Philly’s D ranked really low. I understand that given the Eagles D’s performance the last few years, but hard not to expect that to improve drastically.

    I really don’t understand why they have the Giants ranked so high either. Giants D has been horrific of late. Offense has talent, but a poor O-line.

  264. 264 ChoTime said at 9:33 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    “I understand that given the Eagles D’s performance the last few years, but hard not to expect that to improve drastically.”

    An interesting thing is that the last couple of years, the D was ranked very well, 10-15 I think, for the first half of the season, and then declined. This would fit in the with the narrative of being worn out because of the high snap count. Even if we haven’t truly upgraded, perhaps better coaching could bring us to that level consistently.

    I think the Giants are a little underrated on this board because we swept them. I guess beating them twice a year will do that.

  265. 265 Jarock said at 9:52 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I have a hard time giving the Giants much credit. Not just because we swept them but because they just haven’t been that good of late. The media gets caught up in the stars, Eli and Beckham in particular, but ignores that the D has been awful and the offense average despite those guys. They’ve been the media’s choice for ‘we think they’re going to compete for the East and maybe a SB’ the last few seasons and this year, same thing. Not buying it.

  266. 266 Bert's Bells said at 11:07 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    I’m may be wrong, but I think the Giants will putting five guys in as offensive lineman so that may (or not) be an upgrade. There’s also a rumor that they might have a running back, but no one has yet to witness him.

  267. 267 Tumtum said at 9:26 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    Before the trade I honestly felt we stood above the rest of the teams. Now I have no clue. Seems like no one does…which is kind of refreshing. People are kind of admitting they have no idea.

    As an Os fan, Ihope this turns out like the predictions did for the Oriole birds. Almost unanimously picked last in what was considered one of the weaker divisions in baseball. Turns out we are in the thick of a 4 team race and the division may get both wild cards.

  268. 268 Cafone said at 11:50 PM on September 7th, 2016:

    The last time the Eagles fell apart, the new coach came in and won 10 games.

    If Chip Kelly can take a 4 win team and turn it around with Bill Davis coaching the defense and playing the majority of the front 7 out of position in a 3-4, I’m not going to be shocked if Doug Pederson takes a 7 win team to the playoffs with a real defensive coordinator playing his players in their natural positions.

  269. 269 anon said at 1:23 PM on September 8th, 2016:

    Chip Kelly and Doug Pederson aren’t the same people

  270. 270 ACViking said at 7:12 PM on September 12th, 2016:

    Chip Kelly’s back to using his “Expanded” playbook — compared to “skinny” playbook he used in 2015 (below):