The 180
Posted: September 7th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 540 Comments »How did we go from “Carson Wentz won’t be playing in 2016” to “Wentz will start the opener”? That’s a pretty dramatic reversal. Obviously the Sam Bradford trade is the big change, but the Eagles don’t make that move if they aren’t comfortable with Wentz and where he’s at right now.
I wrote some of my thoughts for PE.com.
The big takeaways from that are that this shows Wentz proved to be everything the coaches hoped for and that Doug Pederson is also more comfortable with the overall team than he anticipated. Jeffrey Lurie isn’t interested in a 2 or 3-win season while the Eagles build for the future. He is a patient man, but sees enough talent here that he wants the Eagles to re-tool while staying competitive. That’s why the Eagles kept Bradford. By dealing Bradford now, the Eagles are telling you they think they can still be competitive with Wentz as the starter.
Think about the Eagles defense. Did anyone expect them to play at such a high level this summer? They led the NFL in scoring defense, run defense, interceptions and pass breakups. They were simply overwhelming at times. I’m not predicting they will play to that exact level in the regular season, but the defense should be one of the better units in the league and they will keep the Eagles in most games.
Pederson and the offensive coaches can come up with specific gameplans that will take advantage of what Wentz does well and limit complications. The coaches will put Wentz in position to succeed. They won’t be afraid to be aggressive with him, but they won’t put the same expectations on him that they would have had with Bradford.
Compare Wentz to the #1 pick, Jared Goff. Things did not go so well for Goff this summer. He is currently the #3 QB for the Rams. He is behind Case Keenum and Sean Mannion. That’s a little different than being behind Bradford and Chase Daniel. And consider the pieces around them.
The Rams do not have a veteran OL like the Eagles. Jason Peters, Jason Kelce and Lane Johnson have started together for 3 straight years. Brandon Brooks is a big time free agent. Allen Barbre is a veteran who started for the Eagles at LG last year. The Rams have a project at LT in Greg Robinson. They have 2 draft picks from 2015 starting. They have a RT that struggles to stay healthy. This preseason the Eagles threw 145 passes and gave up 7 sacks. The Rams threw 133 passes and gave up 13 sacks. Which OL is going to help out a rookie QB better?
We think of the Rams as having a good defense for some reason. That’s not really the case. They finished 23rd in yards allowed last year. They weren’t much better this summer. They gave up 4.9 yards per carry to opposing runners. They picked off just one pass. They gave up twice as many TDs as the Eagles. Which defense is better suited to help a young QB?
The Eagles aren’t asking Wentz to carry the team. They have given him a good D, solid OL, and he should have one of the better STs units in the league. The only area where there is an issue is with skill players. And even that isn’t as bad as some would have you believe. We didn’t see Jordan Matthews this preseason because of injury. He will be ready to go on Sunday. While not an elite playmaker, Matthews is a reliable WR and he will make a play here and there. DGB showed the potential to be a good Red Zone weapon at the very least. The change in scenery seems to be bringing out the best in him. Josh Huff and Nelson Agholor were up and down this summer. They need to step up, but the talent is there.
Ryan Mathews is a good RB. Durability is his concern, not talent. Darren Sproles should be used better this year. He can be a matchup nightmare and playmaker. And the Eagles have a trio of TEs that the coaches are going to use creatively.
Compare those weapons to the guys Donovan McNabb had in 1999. There was Duce Staley and his 3.9 ypc. Torrance Small was the leading WR with 49 grabs and 4 TDs. Luther Broughton led the TEs with 26 catches. With apologies to Duce and his teammates, the 2016 Eagles are worlds better.
It may seem like Pederson made a rash or reckless decision. I don’t think that is the case. He was ready to stick with Bradford as the starter until Teddy Bridgewater got hurt and the trade scenario came from nowhere. Pederson re-evaluated the situation and decided his star pupil was ready to take over this team. You never want a coach to make some broad declaration and then needlessly stand by it even when the circumstances have changed.
I think it is fair to question Pederson’s wisdom with starting Wentz because he got so little work in the preseason. That does concern me. At the same time, Wentz had all spring, half of Training Camp and one game to show what he could do. This isn’t an uninformed decision. Pederson has been impressed with what he’s seen and is willing to take a chance on the young man.
Time will help us to judge whether going with Wentz was the right decision, but I do think Pederson is doing this for the right reasons.
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Jeff McLane wrote a great piece on Wentz.
Must read material. Will boost your confidence in Wentz and his ascension to starter.
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I’m not sure the Eagles are “comfortable” with Wentz starting. The Bradford trade was an offer the Eagles couldn’t refuse. I don’t care how much it would set the Eagles back this year, when someone offers you a first and fourth for Sammy Sleeves Bradford, you take it and don’t look back. Additionally, Daniels has proven to be nothing more than a high price back up. So that leaves you with Wentz who luckily is even healthy enough to start the season. They are kind of forced to play him, and it wasn’t option #1 or #2. There is no way anyone is comfortable with this situation especially when he hardly played in the preseason.
I’m comfortable with it.
Worst case scenario is he gets crushed, loses confidence and never develops the way he could have…
Thats the mental toughness that Tommy mentioned.
Wentz looks and plays like a guy who wont let a negative play affect him
We hope so, but he also never played in the NFL or Philly before, where fans may be calling for Chase Daniels after one week if Wentz doesn’t live up to GOAT expectations
that’s not a worse case scenario — you find out sooner what kind of player he is. Mentally tough isn’t something you grow into. If he confidence gets shaken now to impact his playing, that would have happened later if he sat for a year or two…
Here’s a game – take the mentally toughest person you know. Play a tone and then burn his hand with a branding iron. Do that several times a week for a few weeks. Watch the autonomic nervous system kick in and make him flinch when he hears the tone.
Mental toughness is a small part of it. Part of it is getting destroyed by 300 pound freaks of nature over and over again. Sooner or later, your lizard brain takes over and says “Nope.” Part of it is losing a level of confidence that might be unhealthy (much like Tommy says about cornerbacks, they kind have to be delusional to get over their mistakes as fast as they have to) so that you can trust your reads even after you’ve been repeatedly burned by wrinkles you haven’t seen before.
Wentz is more raw than most rookie QBs. But I wouldn’t have a huge problem with him starting right now if the Eagles had Beast Mode, or Jerome Bettis and Hines Ward and were committed to running the ball no matter what. They have Ryan Mathews, who’s a great back when healthy, but he’s never stayed healthy. They have 35 y/o Jason Peters at LT, who is above average at this point, but who has consistently missed time the last few years. They have a RT who will likely miss 10 games or more this season. They have pretty much zero depth at T. They have OK receivers, and some talent at TE, but I don’t want the passing game to be the focus – that’s not how you develop a rookie QB. Generational guys like Luck and Manning? Sure. But I’m far from convinced that Wentz is one of those guys. If they put it all on Wentz’s shoulders, bad things are going to happen.
Wise post.
Worst case scenario he’s JaMarcus Russel. We literally know nothing yet about his floor in the NFL. He’s got a very high ceiling, but most everyone agreed that he has a very high bust potential to go along with it.
Yep.
If they wasnt comfortable starting Wentz, they could just start Daniels.
Yep. This was about trade value. It was the right move, but was not about Wentz. At best, the Eagles feel it will not hurt Wentz to start him early, but no way they have seen enough of him with his injury that they are already comfortable with him.
I like to caution everyone to keep things in perspective when Carson Wentz looks like the second coming of Joe Montana this weekend. First of all, it’s the Cleveland Browns. Secondly it’s the Cleveland Browns against a QB they have virtually no tape on. He’s not going to look this great every week.
I expect him to take his lumps this season. He’s going to make some great plays and some wtf are you thinking plays. What I want to see is less and less of the wtf plays as the season progresses. He’s also going to have a bit of a shock at the change in play speed even moving from preseason to regular season. All in all I’m hopeful but realistic about what to expect from him this year.
Agreed. Ideally I liked the plan of him learning for a year on the sidelines, but that’s not the situation they are in anymore. It would be interesting to see who would be starting if Chase played better in the preseason.
I think Wentz will look terrible on some throws and will look great the next moment.
Wentz will 100% throw an interception on a ball he just sails or try to squeeze in
As long as he stays healthy, that’s going to be true all season long. People who are hoping to see improvement through the season are going to be disappointed. He’ll have good games and then come out the next week and absolutely stink. They will be no trend line to follow. Inconsistency is the name of the game right now. The hope will be that after an offseason of watching tape, he can come back and fix some of his problems, and then we’ll see improvement.
I’m guessing the fact that we are playing the Browns and Bears to start the year are part of the reason we are going with Wentz now. If we started off with some really stout defenses, especially good DLs, followed by some easier games I bet we would have gone with Daniels for a while, or at least until the bye. The problem is that we have a couple of our easier games early — the ideal place to give Wentz his first starts. After that it gets much harder quite quickly — Steelers (then the bye), Lions, Redskins, Vikings. We get the Seahawks and Green Bay towards the end. The division games outside the Redskins may not be too bad.
So… guessing we see Wentz until the bye, then they may re-evaluate.
Why would they bench him? You can’t keep him on ice until we face a favorable matchup. He is going to need to face and beat tough defenses eventually.
Sure. You might have preferred that he not have his initial starts against good defenses, especially in a new offense when other players are liable to make mistakes. This was why Reid brought in Pederson for McNabb — you didn’t want the rookie doing the right thing just to have other players screw it up. And you don’t want the snot knocked out of him right away — better to adjust to bad defenses, then good ones.
At this point the only way Daniels will start will be due to injury — which could easily happen. If we played a couple of tough defenses the first couple of games then got easier, I think we might have seen Daniels. But with this pattern… the best place to get his feet wet are the first two games and you wouldn’t bench him after that unless he’s completely overwhelmed.
Have to say that I am really starting to like Pederson more and more. It’s been fun to watch him get comfortable in his own skin.
If nothing else, I think he has some balls on him. Maybe he picked up the ones that Chip lost after 2013.
Nice point, and agreed. Has grown on me as well.
Eagles feel like a football team again, not a science experiment. And this is coming from a guy who was a huge fan of the Chip hire.
I’m right there with you on both counts, mksp.
well stated. You never knew what you were getting from Chip. Whatever it was, it never felt like it was “football”…
Isn’t HR making these moves?
Speaking of Wentz, this is amazing:
http://deadspin.com/here-an-old-haters-gonna-say-its-fake-from-high-schoo-1786364409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_OYJPOYkLBE
Clearly, accuracy will not be an issue for Carson “Can’t Miss” Wentz!
Nothing is really ever deleted from the internet.
My biggest concern about this is that Wentz hasn’t gone against the first team defense (besides the Eagles) at all. If he was healthy through all the preseason games, we would be in a better position to judge if he is ready. So really, we won’t know anything until he is on the field. The concern is that if he has a bad season, which all rookie QBs do (Even Mariotta went 3-13 and Winston 6-10), how it will impact his growth.
Gotta love the trade, as the value was worth it, but am concerned about his readiness…
I don’t think it impacts his growth negatively. He has to learn sometimes. If anything I think he develops faster. In 2017, he will have had already had a year of starting experience.
That may be 100% correct, but there are instances of NFL QBs being out of their depth when they are rookies and they never recover. The plans changed fast, and of course he is excited for it, let’s just see what happens when faced with the pressure of losing in Philly, where every guy he meets will tell him what plays he should be running…
I’m not afraid of Wentz being mentally broken in any way. I was ok with him sitting and I’m fine with him starting now.
I understand what you are saying. I think Wentz will handle it better than most. But the NFL has a long history of chewing up great college qbs and spitting the out on the streets.
There is tons of college QBs who start early and never recover because they are bad.
Same with any other position. Unless you are changing position like Jason Peters, most guys either survive or busts. A few takes some years to fully develop.
I think your concern is ver warranted because Carson never even went up against a true D1 D. He’s going to see Defenses that are bigger and faster than he’s used to. I hope he recognizes this also means he can’t take off with the ball whenever he wants because he’s going to get hit harder than he’s used to. There’s going to be a learning curve, let’s hope the guy is as smart as everyone says.
Iowa State is offended.
Noted.
Didnt people say the same about Cam Newton? Also is defenses in the FCS really that much worse when its seems its optional to play defense in the Big 12?
Yes, and Cam must have been warned a gazillion times by his coaches to avoid unnecessary hits. An important part of being a starting qb is knowing how to stay healthy, for the good of the team.
I’m laughing at your point about Big 12 defense. Good one.
When i was watching Wentz’s games predraft i was impressed by how solid and robust most of the defensive schemes and play were, I guess they benefit from nearly all their players staying for the full duration allowing them to mature their play and schemes more.
Yes the players they are playing against are 1 steps slower than SEC, but the offensive weapons are 1 step slower meaning most of the throwing windows are pretty much the same.
Is it a big step up to the NFL? absolutely, but if going up from the SEC to the NFL 10 steps higher, stepping up from D1-AA is 11 steps.
The top 10-15 FCS teams would all make bowl games in the FBS.
Fair enough. The question is: Can Carson turn his potential into success?
Wentz has alot in common with Blake Bortles from a profile standpoint.
Bortles got the everliving shit kicked out of him his first year (and last year too) but seemed to come through it alright.
I’d also say I have alot more faith in our offensive staff than Jacksonvilles.
So there’s hope.
I just hope we have an Allen Robinson or Hurns in our WR corpse (yes it is a corpse right now).
A TE is a young QB’s best friend is the old adage. Wentz has 3 pretty decent ones, plus a good big target in the slot with Matthews, plus a jump ball guy in DGB and a gadget guy in Huff and some pass catchers out of the backfield. It ain’t the greatest show on turf, but you could do a lot worse.
Lets hope Doug can scheme the above guys open.
The biggest thing for me is if we can avoid too many 3rd and long. Rather get 4 yards on a dump to Celek or a RB on 1st down then no yards
Who could forget Vick to Crumpler!
Probably Crumpler after this hit:
https://youtu.be/1tD9uR22L-s
I agree from a physical standpoint. But Bortles has developed a reputation for being kind of a dummy. Like, not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer or the most intuitive QB. The big selling point on Wentz right now is not his size and arm, but his maturity and his football IQ. I think we have a QB, whose mind is right, both from a personality and an intelligence standpoint. its also why I dont fear hum being broken from having a shaky rookie season starting a bit too early. I imagine this is what DP and Roseman are thinking right now.
I think any QB can be ‘broken’ by getting hit to much – so much of the processing is instinctual, and all it takes is for you to flinch a beat rather than stepping into a throw when under pressure to render you ineffective.
For me i think some of the tentativeness i saw in Bradford’s game at time is a result from him getting beaten up early and healing up slightly ‘crooked’, stopping him being the kind of playmaker he was in college.
Yeah. I mean. Getting beaten up certainly makes a difference. But can it permanently break a player? I think that’s a matter of personality. Big Ben, Brett Favre and Dante Culpepper are good examples of qb’s who never let his chance their style of play. Maybe Bradford is the opposite.
Favre’s a good counter. I tend to think he has a brain abnormality that didn’t let him develop the normal reaction, but that’s obviously just making crap up. He’s also arguably a generational talent, which is like saying, well Jordan was able to do X, so our guy should be able to do it too…
Big Ben averaged 22 attempts per game for his first two seasons, and was sacked a total of 52 times over those two seasons, or about 2 times/game. In his rookie year, he had exactly one game where his team gained less than 100 yards rushing, and had 10 games where his team gained more than 150 yards rushing. He had two games, including one against the Eagles, where his team ran for over 220 yards. In contrast, the Steelers had 12 games his rookie season where they passed for less than 200 yards (there’s an issue with the stats here that I don’t have the time to suss out, but I’ll note that Ben didn’t play in 2 games that season, and played only part of another; some of those passing stats may belong to other QBs, but I don’t think it changes the ultimate point.) So when Ben was developing, the Steelers were very conservative with the passing game, and relied heavily on the run game, and didn’t expose him to hits or situations that could have really attacked his confidence. If the Eagles can do that with Wentz, I’ll be happy. I seriously doubt that Pederson’s ground game is going to be so good, however.
Culpepper’s a weird story, ’cause he just flamed out after a couple of seasons. Was that partly because he took too many hits? I don’t know. But I certainly would be disappointed if Wentz mirrored his career.
He was known for checking down in college too. The people he was checking down to were NFL talents playing against boys.
We’ve seen the “chuck and duck” mentality from Romo and Eli numerous times. It usually depends on how porous the OL has been that game. Of course, they’re immobile as hell.
Other differences between the two players: one grew up in a football cauldron (Central Florida) and the other in the sticks/tundra/Siberia. Bortles was a pop warner linebacker who baulked at being named QB by his HS coach. As a HS frosh, if memory serves, Bortles was 6’5, which was why his coach made him QB. Wentz was 5’8, and I’m guessing not nearly as intensely immersed in football culture. Where Bortles, early on, was used to throwing his man-size weight around as a LB, he may have had a longer learning curve than CW because he was adapting to a position he didn’t relish, and against highly rated competition.
Wentz played baseball and basketball in HS and was a QB and DB for his HS football team. Wentz was a late bloomer, who grew like 3 inches in his HS senior year. In college, Wentz was probably the best player on the field most times. Bortles was a pre-adolescent star who benefitted from strong competition from HS through college. My impression is that Wentz is just now facing what Bortles did in HS: superior competition at every turn.
In combine drills, Wentz had better 40-yd dash and 3-cone times, whereas Bortles had faster 10-yd and 20-yd splits. Bortles entered the draft as a junior, having maximized his college potential. Carson Wentz, in 4 years at college attempted 612 passes, while Bortles completed 585 in 3 years. They have identical cumulative QB ratings of 153.9. One other metric which can probably be misleading: Wonerlic score. Bortles – 28/Wentz – 40.
Pabst must be making cool-aid now
Nah. It’s brewed in Canada now too. Alcohol content higher.
From time to time a GM or even an owner falls in love with a player and overrules the coaches about who will play and when. Like whats-his-name in Washington with RGIII or the GM who brought Tebow to the Jets without bothering to consult Ryan. Just wondering a little who really decided that Wentz is The Man.
Its the GM who picks the players, but here it sounds like its both Lurie, Howie, Donahoe, Pederson, Reich and DeFilippo
My impression is that the coaches were happy with Bradford starting, and putting Wentz on ice. But once the trade happened, which I believe Pederson had relatively little say on, and it came down to Daniel vs. Wentz for the starting nod, the coaches (and front office) were partial to just elevating Wentz.
My sense is nobody could have imagined getting so much for Sam. So, when the opportunity knocked they snagged it. Starting Daniel is tanking the season for no great benefit. As long as Carson is healthy, put him out there and start the process of developing him.
“start the process of developing him.”
Or the process of ruining him, depending on how you view throwing a raw rookie into the fire with (apologies to Tommy) what should be a horrible run game once Mathews and Peters suffer their inevitable injuries. And since Lane is likely going to miss a large part of the season, the OL (again, apologies to Tommy) isn’t going to be markedly better than the Rams’.
Maybe it will all break in the Eagles’ favor. But if it doesn’t, we could watch the confidence literally beaten out of Wentz this season.
It’s got to be a tough call for the coaches. No one can reasonably claim the kid is ready, not without a pre-season under his belt. But what is the alternative? Starting Daniel would be pathetic. Having Wentz under center is a big gamble and there’s a lot of careers riding on the outcome.
How much does Wentz starting have to do with how bad Chase Daniel has looked??? Surely Howie and Dougie didn’t expect him to be this underwhelming.
I’m thinking a lot.
To borrow from the late Dennis Green, he is who we thought he was.
Chase is nothing more than a backup QB, much like Doug was during his playing days. Expectations were placed on him due to his contract, not actual skill set.
I understand that his salary is an awful lot of money to be a mentor and backup, but when reading McLane’s article above, if Daniel is at the Novacare on his day off helping Wentz be a better QB, and his direct involvement helps develop Wentz into a franchise QB for the next dozen or so years, his salary would be worth every penny.
I’m hoping starting Wentz was really the Coaches decision and that we aren’t becoming one of those teams where the front offce and owner decide who will start at QB
I really hope Ryan Mathews can stay healthy. I think he will be fun to watch if he does, and I think he will take a lot of pressure off of Wentz and the receivers. Although Barner looks like he belongs on an NFL team this year, he is still a drop off from a healthy Mathews.
I’d like to see him stay health too but…I have Sproles (12th round) and Barner (15th round pick) in my ff league.
Anybody else notice Les Snead only got like 45 seconds of screen time on Hard Knocks? That seemed odd.
There was surprisingly little behind-the-scenes stuff this year. I was surprised at how dull it was.
Going to disagree with the article and agree with what Greg posted below. (have to preface – it’s just my opinion) …Bradford was never part of the future. Eagles options: Bradford stinks, Eagles need to move on. Bradford plays outstanding — Eagles maximize trade. Eagles got a trade offer now and took the middle road. Eagles got great value right now. This has nothing to do with Wentz. Wasn’t there mention in an article that Wentz just wasn’t ready to be a starter because of so little reps in the preseason?
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IF Eagles fully believe Wentz was the MAN and ready to take over, then there’s why not name him the starter? Wouldn’t that make more sense then having someone ‘ready’ and sit? Not buying any of that.
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Article is nice and good to speculate — comes down to a desperate team. IF a trade never happened, we’d still be hearing how Wentz just isn’t ready…
Why couldnt Wentz be ready, but still worse than Bradford in the short term?
I’m not saying Wentz isn’t ready. I’m a fan of starting players, even rookie QB’s. The point though is Wentz is ONLY starting because Bradford was traded. If Bradford was still here — no matter how “ready” Wentz was, he wasn’t going to play…
100% agree here. I think the Eagles hoped Bradford would stay healthy and play well so they could turn him into a first round pick for next year once Wentz had had a chance to adjust to the NFL. When Minnesota offered that before the season – that was the “bird in the hand.”
At that point the choice was Wentz (earlier than planned) or Daniel. No way that was a hard call.
My thoughts exactly.
I 100% agree with this. Bradford has no future here and the Eagles found an opportunity to get great value for him. At the end of the season, the Eagles were going to trade or release Bradford regardless. And they saw an opportunity to get rid of him at a great value now due to a desperate team, so regardless of Wentz being ready, they made the trade.
On top of that, I find it unlikely that the coaches felt after a couple quarters of preseason football and not a full TC for the rookie QB that they had nearly enough time to see Wentz and make a confident evaluation. This move is entirely about trade value, and the fact that they do believe Wentz is the future (which is why they drafted him in the first place) and don’t believe it will drastically hurt him to play him early.
I think he was a part of the future when they resigned him. They were still holding out hope that the former #1 pick would eventually become a good QB. It’s not a move I was happy with.
I think they changed gears when the chance to move up fell into their laps.
He was a part of the future, and he still is.
This is a fun read. Wentz sounds like the real deal, let’s hope it translates on the field.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Its_showtime_for_Eagles_rookie_quarterback_Carson_Wentz.html?mobi=true
Echo
http://deadspin.com/here-an-old-haters-gonna-say-its-fake-from-high-schoo-1786364409
Is all i needed to know about Wentz. If I realized this existed i would have been even more all in back in February about drafting Wentz.
You know he still has that same hotmail address too.
lol, I actually have a client that still uses an aol address (and a fax machine).
I have a couple aol clients. I use “oh, got sent to spam” when I want to ignore them.
hey I use a hotmail address
Add him on MSN Messenger!
This is amazing. The email bit is legit great comedy.
A little update to that video.
https://twitter.com/Hashzilla/status/773904589468950528
what a great time to be an Eagle fan. Exciting times with zero expectations. Any win is a bonus. Going to be fun….
Yep. My only concern is that we start out pretty well with our ‘soft’ schedule in the 1st half of the year, start out 5 and 4, or maybe even 6-3, and then people go nuts when we loose 3 strait to the Seahawks, Packers and Bengals.
Eaxctly. Just how baseball was this year for me. Being good qas just gravey.
I say that too til we play Dallas!! Then I expect to beat that @$$ both times we see em! Living in Dallas makes it even more necessary lol.
2-14 is a successful season as long as both wins are over the Cowboys.
even better if those two wins we get are the ones that keep them from making the playoffs
Just heard another guy pick Giants Pukes Skins Birdies.
Here’s a different take:
In what world is a team with a crappy OL to be taken serious? Seems like the media gets dumber and dumber each year. This offseason it’s been the media fawning over teams with Big name WRs overlooking all other blatant flaws.
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I’d rather be strong in the trenches than to have flashy weapons on the outside.
Obviously there are a LOT of variables that go into whether a QB is successful or not at the pro level. There are a lot of unknowns with Wentz or any rookie QB that you just won’t find out about until he’s thrown into the mix. However, just from that small sample size we got in his first pre season game, it seemed pretty obvious pretty quickly how naturally skilled this kid is. I mean he was rolling out making pro DEs miss and threw some strikes on the run, off the back foot, with fluidity. That is a gift of gab that most QBs in this league can’t do. Plus, it seems pretty evident he’s a natural pocket passer too. All I’m saying is to me it looks like there is a lot to be excited about and I guess I’m a bit more optimistic about his ability to succeed at this level then most. I love that he is starting; it’ll be like one long training camp of ups and downs and getting better for next season. Not buying into this ‘starting him pre maturely will stunt his growth blah blah’…the kid will either make the leap into the league or he won’t; and we’re about to find out real fast. Buckle up…
My take on Wentz is this – he has all the physical, intellectual and character gifts you want in a dream QB.
The massive question that remains is does he have the ‘mental’ tools to be successful – by that i mean the ability to view and process the entire field, judge and project movement and make quick decisions combining instinct, training and intellect in the 3 seconds from snap to the ball being out.
How good he is at all that will decide if he will be poor, average, good or even truly great depending on how good at that. I have seen some positive signs so far but it is a big projection still at this point. But almost all QB’s come into the league with significant quests and projections about their ability to do that 3 seconds worth of mental processing- it is nice that we have a QB prospect who seemingly can do everything else to an elite standard.
Information processing. It’s the #1 thing that separates the good QBs from the not-good ones, and we know nothing about Wentz in this department. To be fair, I am not sure it’s possible to know until he gets out there.
but that is what they said about sam. super quick processor.
Sam never had it. He was able to dump off to RBs once he bailed on his 1st receiver, but he’s not good enough to see the whole field and get 2nd and 3rd options down the field.
Obviously they’re going to pump him up but Wentz grades very high in processing speed in Reich’s opinion. At same time, he says Carson has to prove it.
About 3:55 mark.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/videos/videos/Press-Pass-Frank-Reich/49622ab1-97d9-492a-a0c9-6431e8341658
The single most impressive thing I saw about Wentz this preseason is the ease in which he keeps his eyes down field regqrdless of the pass rush… That’s Big time for a rookie in his first taste of NFL action… If that ability translates to the field on Sunday, he should be able to make some plays for us
title of this post makes me think of the scene from Last Action Hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g751-jjKXC0&t=43
The prospects of Eagles finishing fourth in a four-team division are arrested in my mind’s most mellifluous moments when I consider that Wentz could be better than anybody thinks. Maybe they don’t see him coming…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdQ3aXO4gys
Great film. Pacino is scary good.
http://flyeaglesfly.com/
New Eagles hype video, with a nice little shot at Chip with the “you should be able to audible.”
They just audibled QBs the week before the season.
Wait, the Eagles still only have 52 players… Hmm
Najee Goode on speed dial for Howie.
Howie’s made a deal for Elijah.
Hype video is boring.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Yeah was flat, although i think it would have been better Wentz had been the clear starter for the last month they could have come up with something a lot better.
Oh well i always go to https://vimeo.com/73491063 if i want to get really hyped up.
Or fire up this baby and get pumped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMnlkG4qMPY
Here’s an HD version of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvYFnElisL4
This one was way better.
Yeah, it took three chicks to shoot the thing too.
im madder than a midget trying to play with a yo-yo
i would think they’d stand on a chair
Shorter string?
nah that limits the tricks you could do
how have you two not blocked the first guy yet?
I’m constantly amazed at this
First post I have ever seen of his. Is he actually a troll? I don’t hate Larry the Cable guy quotes.
He is egalesgameballs
Doh
Consistent noncontributor at best
who, Aaron? Is he a troll? I haven’t noticed
Carson sporting a 20 jersey… this cat was pretty good in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJxiSmlinpM
How the hell did they lose 3 games?
Fog?
His highlight video is 9 minutes?
It’s 13 forty second scrambles.
9 minutes of visual bliss.
you shoulda seen Bradford in high school.
or anyone for that matter that made it to the pros.
So why was he a Bison?
The buzz about Carson didn’t start until the middle of his senior year. He didn’t play QB as a junior because he was coming off a baseball arm injury and broke his thumb playing defense.
He entered high school at 5’8″ and 125lbs. He was 6’5″, 200lbs as a senior.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2016/01/26/carson-wentz-central-michigan-football/79336462/
http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/04/26/carson-wentz-jared-goff-recruiting-nfl-draft
http://bismarcktribune.com/sports/college/bison-qb-wentz-kept-growing-in-high-school/article_a9f0d1a8-6180-11e4-846e-63ce1bc183e9.html
If he wants to be a legend before taking a real snap, he should casually mention in an interview that he picked #20 because he wanted to be the next Brian Dawkins on defense.
Reich talked about how fade comes naturally to CW and DGB and how DGB has been doing it for a long time.. 5:10 mark
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/videos/videos/Press-Pass-Frank-Reich/49622ab1-97d9-492a-a0c9-6431e8341658
I really really really hate power rankings and predictions on who will win divisions etc. This team is completely different than last year, as are many other teams. So much of football is luck, fumble recoveries, interceptions, and missed kicks that are no more than unrepeatable and unforced flukes.
Every year at this time, I have in the back of my mind that everything will click for the Eagles, the whole team will stay healthy, and they are going to win the Super Bowl. Even this year…
that’s what makes sports fun.
“To dream the impossible dream…”
Can’t hate that at all. I genuinely see a team that has just as much chance as the rest of the division to walk away with the top spot. I always consider it a dice roll once you make it there.
DGB expects him and Matthews to be the two starting WRs. We’ll see.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/09/dorial_green-beckham_expects_to_start_at_wr_for_ea.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
works for me. Wait, isn’t Matthews in the slot?
Yes in 3 receiver sets.Matthews has to start.
Read the article.
DGB says he will be one of the two wide receivers on the outside with the first-team offense with Jordan Matthews at the opposite outside position.
got it
I got the impression that he was #2 in 2 WR sets, and slot in 3WR sets.
If that’s true then Doug/Reich feels comfortable enough with his route running. I wonder who the 3rd WR will be.
Im sure we will see plenty of DGB, Jordan and Agholar regardless of which are the “starters”
You meant Huff rather than Ags, right?!
Still dropped him for Tory Smith in the one league I took a flier on him.
After reading that article I kinda regret that move.
Schwartz said Rowe was tried at safety last year. “I think he’s a corner.”
Said Mills had a lot to do with Rowe getting traded. Mills exceeded expectations , played slot a little, Eric doesn’t .
Says they’ll dress 4 corners.
“There’s not going to be any asterisks that say they were crappy this year but they played really good in preseason. ”
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/videos/videos/Press-Pass-Jim-Schwartz/894d1400-c83b-408c-bfff-22e8f56bd471
I love Schwartz. I hope the defense kicks ass so I can keep loving him.
Schwartz said that we will see a bunch of different linebacker packages, tailored to excentuate all our LB’s strengths.. Hicks spoke about it in terms of a 4 LB rotation, but schwartz said it would be package based rotation..
..
Media asked him about kendricks claiming that having to rotate hurt his play last season, lol schwartz DIDNT seem to give a shit…. Hopefully the extremely talented KEndricks realizes that it’s Do or die time for him this year, and excuses won’t fly with Schwartz….. Such a talented LB, hopefully he finally gets his his head out of his ass, puts it all together and has his best season to date…
well guys, i messed up. scheduled a family cruise for the next week, going to miss the opening game of the Dougie P era (only time we could schedule it, unfortunately!).
i haven’t been on a cruise since i was like 12… does anyone know if those things have any TV in like a bar or something where i might be able to catch the game? i don’t even care if its live, i just don’t want to miss it!
may well be a sports bar. Google the ship and see.
can’t really find a good answer anywhere. oh well, gonna have to just hope for the best!
Do you have a laptop or a recent smartphone? You could try streaming the game.
that could work. it looks like there is an internet cafe. i know they have a fairly expensive wi-fi service that is probably going to be awful for streaming, but the cafe says it is wired internet.
might be worth paying for the internet for a day to watch it!
I found the wifi pricing if you have to go that route. IMO, would do the wifi streaming as a last resort.
http://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/category/category/internet-packages
You could sign up for USTV which is really free. Read here if you’re doubtful.
https://support.ustvnow.com/entries/21975261-Is-this-really-free-
USTV sign up
http://watch.ustvnow.com/guide
and yes the Eagles game will be available this weekend on USTV (you can check the schedules).
what is this ustv thingy?
I usually use first row sports but am always looking for others
It’s a streaming service for the military, although some people use it despite not being in the military. It’s free but after the free 45 day trial the stream quality dips (still free though). From what I’ve heard some people in the US can’t view it but some can.
well if you tell me the ship I’ll look.
Royal Caribbean Grandeur of the Seas
here’s their website. i couldn’t find much useful info here (not even a list of the bars!) http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do?shipCode=GR&&ecid=ps_43700008545519662&gclid=CJ3aisDWgM8CFYQfhgod_nAKrg&gclsrc=aw.ds
this site lists the bars, but doesn’t say anything about whats in them. the pool bar is my most likely guess for tv i’m thinking. http://www.cruiseastute.com/ship.php?ship=Grandeur%20Of%20The%20Seas&feature=bars
Found the bars on another site but no sports bar. Nfl rewind sorry
Not sure since being out if sight of land for prolonged periods is not my thing. I hear they have casinos. Any seld respecting casino has a sports book. Any self respecting sports book shows all the NFL games.
No cable that i know.. maybe some satellite
he’s wicked smaht!!
http://www.phillyvoice.com/carson-wentz-super-smart-rates-9-10-qb-attributes-says-oc/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucz9eV7Eh0s
Eagles 37, Browns 10.
Eagles 74, Browns 5.
Safety on a kneeldown in the Endzone after Cleveland punts it out of bounds at the 1 with 2 seconds on the clock.
That’s double my cheek, sir!
Yo Tommy
Hope you will be doing a weekly game preview again. I really value those posts. Thank you, GE
Not sure about you guys but the new Eagles hype video is rather meh than yay.
It looks like one of those tourism videos. IT should end with “Visit Philadalphia ; more than you think!”
Just went to si.com and found a scout’s report on one overrated and one underrated Eagle (sorry, not link). Cox is the underrated one and our St. Wentz is the overrated one. Apparently, his elbow flares out causing a hitch in his throwing style. In addition, he’s too stiff and, therefore, mechanical. And, while he’s smart, that doesn’t necessarily translate into quick reads. He uses Smith in KC as the example.
Is the scout disgruntled without reason?
Oops. Just went to Igglesblitz and found out how stale my post above is. Been busy all day trying to live a normal life. I prefer this abnormal.
Where is this Igglesblitz you speak of?
I just went to this site called Igglesblitz and the writer is saying the Eagles should cut off Fletcher Cox’s head!
The thought of that has made my brain a mangelled mess.
I don’t want to know what man gel is.
All will be revealed.
It’s true that booksmarts do not translate to athletic success.
yeah and why would they?
Just referring to the oft-cited fact that Wentz has a very high IQ. In defense of this idea, Steve Young, I understand is smart and has a photographic memory. Peyton Manning would seem to be another of this type.
not disgruntled just telling it like it is…
Wentz has played very few games at QB and zeropointzero games against legit college competition.
he looks good out there in the few snaps we saw, similar to 10-10 Bradford last year. but.
it could be a long year and I definitely see him getting hurt for a game or two. he’ll have great moments though too im sure.
watching the video tommy wanted us to get excited about he’s able to move around hit open guys on the move against backups – i’ll be excited to see him wipe the floor with the browns, but i’ll be a little sad sammy dollaz isn’t here.
For years people wanted a staue, we got one, then hated him b/c he wasn’t mobile, now we’re back to the mobile guys, though this one throws balls to the sky instead of killing earthworms.
Hopefully DGB can be our new TO.
D3FB kenny bell is a free man.
Hopefully this season can start the same way last season ended; with Cam busted up in a loss.
Actually just told Bud that I actually hope Cam wins.. so he’s out there tossing fake love & shallow high fives in the faces of people he dont care about and doing all these cheap hero antics and the national press tosses out some fresh video from the big moment… whether its being scared of the fumble or crying on the bench scowling at teamates with 6 massive minutes still on the clock dude!!!
Hope they hold him accountable and show the highlights from the Super Bowl and he looks like a D O P E
I’m starting to get worried. Is Vinny Curry going to be healthy enough to play this week?
Yes
Probably need to add 2 more DEs to the roster to cover the absence.
Check in. Who’s here for the opening game?
German Eagle has been looking for a crew for the game. So I know he’ll be there.
Can someone just bloody join me. Geez Louise.
Where?
Whoops………….you mean “here” as is posting for tonight’s game.
Yes, in here posting. Wish I could join German, but a round-trip to Denver was not in the cards.
Ha. He was looking for a Philly crew.
In Germany.
No. In bloody Philly!!!
It had better be RG3’s blood!
…and he’s still looking…!
I’ll be watching but not on here. I’m curious to see how this Trevor Siemian dude plays, I’d never heard of him until he beat out Sanchez (big deal) for the starting job.
Here
Here
10 min away
Alright Denver, no messing around. Time to crush Scam again.
You have the Denver D on your fantasy team too?
I wish.
I do, wasn’t expecting to get scored on already.
Anyone else feel like that was a really shitty anthem rendition?
No.
Yeah? I thought she was all over the place and not in a good way.
I’m just glad it wasn’t some inbred country act.
inbred?, to whom are you talking about
I enjoyed it. To each their own.
Most of the time I can appreciate that they have vocal skill while also not really enjoying their interpretation of the anthem.
Is football!!!!! Yesss!!!
Booker fumble on his 1st career carry? poor kid.
I don’t want anyone to be alarmed, but I am pretty sure there is a real football game on TV right now.
Watching Benjamin catch that TD gets me very excited about having a huge physically dominate WR on the outside.
Still expecting Ertz to do that
I’m going to wait until I see him in Pederson’s O before I start to pass judgement on him.
Was Chip possibly holding him back?
Most likely he did. After all, Ertz didn’t get on the field much until Chip felt good enough with his blocking. A fade (something Chip rarely did) to DGB or Ertz would help so much with our RZ problems.
I love the Eagles, but I’ll have issues cheering for DGB. Just have to hold my nose, same as I did when Vick was starting.
Early takeaways . . . Bronco’s D doesn’t look nearly as dominant, but their offense isn’t nearly as putrid either.
Anybody’s game and I thought this was an easy Panther’s win.
Is it just me or is the Broncos OL doing ok despite having nobodies now?
Trevor finally looks like a guy making his 1st start after looking fairly good early.
Yea. He was getting the ball quickly but that was a coverage sack
It’s actually a pretty talented group.
Your boy Ty not playing is kind of a bummer.
He’s banged up but won the starting job.
Watching Sieman’s body language, I think I better appreciate the swagger and confidence that is being attributed to Wentz.
Tolbert just got dropped like a sack of potatos
That was nasty.
Is football. 🙂
Dropped
Roseman followed Darth Helmet’s and ordered the 2016 Eagles season directly to ‘ludricuous speed.’ I am hoping that wentz doesn’t turn plaid or have any other ill effects.
fixed it for you.
That can commercial was pretty good. Unfortunately, it is still Bud Light in the cans.
Sooo paid $2 for jimmy graham in my auction draft ($200 budget), did I overpay?
Looks like the Bronco’s chose the right starter. I can’t see Sanchez coming back from those two turnovers.
He’d be preparing 2 more
LMAO!!! Sad, funny and TRUE! SMH!!
Was that poor Kurt Coleman that DT blocked?
Yes. That is the Coleman in vintage Eagles form
Okay, how many people started Andy Janowitz tonight?
Only Bronco’s homers who only take Denver players.
All he does is score touchdowns.
THAT helped NO ONE!!!
Curt Coleman missed tackle
Change to he is 🙂
DJ Steve Porter Press Hop
.. All Time favorite .. youtube both 1 & 2 if you havnt already seen em
Yet this dope still takes up for that stiff.
https://twitter.com/RoobCSN/status/774070701095477253
Media Mike probably popping off about how dumb Cam is after that run.
Can’t help wondering how much Mike’s gonna be yelling at the TV every time Pederson calls a zone read.
A lot. I’m not trying to get Wentz killed.
I have such a litany of examples of dumb things done by Carolina in that game.
Cam and the Panther’s doing their best Andy Reid impression 😛
OUCH Benjamin will be feeling that for a while.
Hey Elway, want to give us one of those CBs you have? We’ll give you Marcus Smith
CB for Marcus Smith?
That looks a bit like my base CB although I had a better model and a much better mike. Breaker one nine. This here’s the Bandit. ;~D
Too bad they’re loaded at OLB . They even have a good pass rusher Dora on their PS.
Nice Dance Cam … hsha STFD like you did w 6 minutes in Super Bowl… what a dooosh
Killa cam ..nice nine minute drive capped off with a TD
As opposed to the multiple 2nd half drives he killed with poor decision making?
Andrew Brandt throwing a little shade at Chip in the MMQB article on QBs from today.
“The trade showed the value of having a general manager like Roseman who is schooled in the game of value and negotiations and isn’t just some “football guy.” “
Literally L O L
That is a major Chip smack.
Why do you care?
I love it.
Great catch. Thanks for posting. Looking at that article now. Imagine if Howie had taken the 4th rounder for Bradford from the Broncos right after the draft? Smart move to stay pat.
Awesome point, and so very true.
This goes back awhile, but it’s said that Chuck Noll wanted to draft John Stallworth in the first round in 1974, but the Steelers GM said, no, take Lynn Swann in the first because he was from USC and someone else would grab him. They took Swann one pick before Dallas, then Stallworth in the 4th round. He was still available because he was from a small black school. Both ended up in the HOF, so both were right in who they wanted, the GM just had a little better grasp of draft value to other teams. Part of their job.
Horrible guys to have in the HOF. Brutally pedestrian stats for their era.
Was that Ron Jeremy in halftime Ad in the pool ???
Do like how hard these two teams hit.
Agreed. That is a vital part of the game.
Watching a lot more read option in this team than i thought previously
Umm who is this guy playing for the broncos – is he good? or he “there’s no tape on him” good?
Siemian having a Sanchez night.
I wasn’t really surprised when they chose him over Sanchez, just thought the Sanchize looked like Sanchize and lost the job, but its looking more and more likely that Siemian was borderline better than Sanchez, just younger and unproven so they though to hell with it, and gave it a go until Paxton Lynch is ready, because damn Siemian doesn’t look very good.
Thought he was looking pretty solid — Denver moved the ball most of the time against a very good defense — but he does seem prone to the big mistake (INT) every now and then. With an even turnover battle, Denver is probably comfortably ahead.
Some QBs are between the 20s Qbs you need ones that are good in the red zone
*half
Joe Webb sighting!
shhh, don’t tell Shah8
Luke Keuchly is in on almot every tackle, what a beast
Don’t call a timeout to think about it, then challenge. Just challenge. If you are wrong, you lose the timeout anyway, but now if they are wrong they lose two timeouts.
Yep not the first time I’ve seen it, but dumb every time.
“Dumb” seems to be a frequently apt descriptor for Carolina.
For the most part, I agree. The one argument that can be made for calling the timeout and then challenging is if you are trying to save challenges. With that said, in this case, it was a waste.
True. In most cases a timeout is more important to save then a challenge. But if it were really important to you not to lose a challenge, I could see it.
偶然来访，受益良多！
Who did we draft after Carolina stole Tommy’s crush?
Fletcher Cox if you’re talking about Kuechly
Thanks. That takes the sting away.
We couldnt go wrong either way.
If it helps Kony Ealy, who went a round later than Marcus Smith, made a hell of a play to knock down a surefire touchdown, although it didn’t matter in the end.
But MSII will get 3 sacks sunday right? Guys? Hello?
That play hurt. I am going against CJ Anderson in fantasy. Ealy gave my opponent 6 points.
I was pounding the floor for ealy in the draft, but whatever
“No one covers more ground to make more tackles than Luke Kuechly… put Thomas Davis on that list too.”
Cris doesn’t quite understand how lists work.
Whatever game Chris is doing — those teams have the best players at that position. You’d think every player is a HOF player.
Cam has taken a beating. Seems to hold the ball until the last second, and the Broncos are clocking him.
But I think at least 4 of them have been helmet to helmet. Most not called.
Seems like holding onto the ball until the last second all the time gets you a beating in the NFL.
And the refs called the one they needed to. If Newton would simply throw more balls away rather than holding it all day or running with it; he’d get more calls.
refs seem to be a bit sub par in this game
bad spots
bad calls
No idea why roughing qb doesn’t override intentional grounding. If it was an int, it would be overturned
Because it was a penalty, not the outcome of the play. But it is a bad look, regardless.
It should for sure. For some reason I thought helmet to helmet overrides everything. Probably a fine but that’s not good enough if the quarterback is dead.
Because an INT isn’t a penalty.
It should be if Wentz gets picked.
Score one in the “freezing the kicker” column.
I hate when coaches do that. This is why they bother. Once in a 100 attempts, it actually works. Ugh.
I know, for a while there it looked like the practice was dying out. Now we’re stuck for another 10 years or so.
The data shows it doesn’t matter. Too bad people don’t like math.
It mattered last night.
Last night the kicker made it then missed. Just as often, the kicker misses it on the timeout and makes it after the freeze.
One day well be playing opening Thursday…
At home.
I will trust the eyes of Reich and Pederson who have coached Wentz since he was drafted.
These guys have played the game and have seen many NFL level QB’s.
They know when to say “there is no way this kid can handle starting” versus “This kid is good enough to play on an NFL level and ready to play if needed”
I am sure both Doug and Frank have seen many NFL QB’s come and go and have studied hours upon hours of tape on QB’s throughout their career.
I think they are comfortable in starting him, otherwise if they thought he needed time he would be #2.
I truly believe that the coaching staff thinks that Wentz gives the Eagles the best chance to win.
Sometimes the owner or GM makes these decisions. Not because the guy can play but because the guy sells seats and/or merchandise.
This isn’t really that kind of franchise. Lurie let Chip get rid of McCoy and Jackson. He generally does a good job of trusting his coaches. I would be VERY surprised if seats or merchandise had anything to do with why Wentz is starting.
You’re 100% correct. We make our share of mistakes, but this isn’t that type of team.
The Eagles are one of the most well attended and fiercly loyal fan bases in the league. And ownership knows this. We could go 0-8 and on the ninth game sell out the stadium… They are not going to turn to parlor tricks to get revenue.
That would be a very short-sighted GM or owner, and we have neither.
Say what you want. The Eagles social media guys have humor
Check out this one about Danny Green, SG for the Spurs. Someone should make one for Wentz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5NwT8_UwIE
Such a good level of tired right now. One hand, I’ll bet at my desk by 6:30. On the other hand, being very short slept doesn’t un-lose the game for Carolina.
I don’t think Carolina used a single time out for the purpose of controlling the clock. Each one was to bail out poor planning.
It was a pretty sloppy game all around. Week 1 I suppose.
And Denver got called for 12 men on the field 2 or 3 times, used a timeout to prevent another. They need to clean up their subbing. Noticed it was on defense when the crowd was loud. Maybe we can trade them our old cue cards for a 6th round pick?
Is there a reason why, when a penalty is on the PAT team, the negative yards are put on the kick off and not a re-kick? Taunting should push the ball back and they should have to re-kick. IMHO. Instead, the team just kicked it out of then endzone — again. Penalty doesn’t do anything….
yea the penalty yards added to kickoffs is just plain stupid. If anything it should be added to the end of the return.
This would be better.
I thought it was because the taunting is a dead ball foul, so it doesn’t change the outcome of the play. Just like if a fight breaks out after an interception, the interception isn’t negated by the penalties.
Funny is dead penalty can even out a live ball penalty.
That’s true, but with the new PAT yank has a good idea. An actual penalty.
If a QB throws the ball out of bounds, uncatchable, but after the throw a late hit happens. Outcome of the play isn’t changed — but penalty happens. Meh – just thinking out loud. I like Anders idea below. Something different should happen though. Right now, that taunting penalty resulted in — well, no penalty.
In your example, the late hit doesn’t undo the incompletion, the play is still over and counts, but the late hit gives a new set of downs so the incompletion doesn’t matter…I think.
Anyone know if an unnecessary roughness- late hit penalty occurs following a 4th down where the team did not reach the line of gain, does possession stay with the offense or change with a 15-yard penalty?
Fletcher cox being interviewed live on NFL network right now
Can’t wait to see him feast on RG3
Not sure media mike is going to like this season: “Utilizing Carson’s strengths (and) obviously his ability to run,” Pederson said, “we know him over Sam, there’s the ability to run and it may open up a run or two there that we can utilize.”
Great, that works in the NFL.
Russell Wilson begs to differ.
if only wentz was built like wilson or cam
They aren’t going to use him like Cam they’ll use him like Alex Smith.
It was pretty obvious from the start if you watched him play in college.
https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.sgbvyvh72
Chris B. Brown wrote a very interesting article on Chip and how his offense has vanished since entering the NFL. Good way to cleanse your soul of Chip before a new era begins Sunday.
Great read!
How does Denver get away with this?
https://i.imgur.com/Mn1z9Ld.gif
#BlackQBsMatter
I think you may be onto something, and the fact that Newton is a big running threat ( and bigger than 75-80% of every NFL defensive player ) plays into it as well. Watching this loop is disgusting. Somewhere (LA), Gregg Williams getting hard.
Sure, I started to really notice this crap when Carolina pile-drived Donnie in the NFC Championship. And they do it to Vick, too. Touch one of the Great White Hopes, and they blow a whistle.
Good thing the Eagles are starting Wentz against Griffin. Let’s use institutionalized racism to our advantage!
Wentz isn’t going to get calls until he has established a reputation and even then he may not get them because he’s athletic.
be interesting to see the calls he gets vs a guy like VIck, who even as a vet never calls on brutal late hits
That NFC championship game was just so obvious. Not only the pile drive, but 2nd play of the game where Don hits the ground, the DL takes 3 steps and then spears him in the back. No call. That’s when I started wondering about what was going on.
Foles got hit in the head and pile drived too without calls. Clay Matthews locked Kolbs arms and jumped on him, no call. He was never the same after that.
Yeah, those guys are no-names, though. 5, Vick, and Cam were/are stars. But breathe on Peyton or Brady…
Drawing race to officiating seems silly to me, and frankly a little lazy. When Foles palyed in the Kelly offense the same stuff happened. Redskins game anyone?
The play style and willingness to leave the pocket is what causes it.
I concur. I used to go crazy watching no-calls on hits on McNabb that would have been called on any other (white) QB.
try touching Brady like that and see what happens
As much as that trust-fund baby has pissed off the whole league (every owner but Kraft), the TLC may turn into “without prejudice”.
It’s not because Brady is white. It’s siuperstar treatment. Same thing happens in NBA with black Lebron.
Cam is the reigning MVP though…
He’s young and doesn’t have the same rep as old superstars like Brady or Brees. It will be interesting to see if Cowboys don’t get calls and Jameis Winston doesn’t get calls. And lets see if Wentz bucks the refs anti-Eagles trend. He is mobile like McNabb and Vick.
He is a first class cry baby though.
What about Big Ben (a big, strong, mobile, and white QB), does he get white QB white glove treatment?
I don’t recall them as much with McNabb as I did with Vick.
Not to the black defenders who were the perpetrators.
Yeah that was the most blatant non-call. Came on a play where Carolina got called for a facemask too.
I thought the craziest one was where Marshall launches himself into a helmet-to-helmet hit after Newton gets rid of the ball.
Yeah, that one is pretty much textbook example of what is supposed to be a penalty that it makes you wonder. I understand that it’s gotta be tough to tackle Cam if you also have to policing yourself and thinking about where you are allowed to hit him while he’s juking and jiving, but Marshall might as well have been at Cape Canaveral.
I think that is one of the ones in the video above… I thought they were all replays of the same play (the one I described), now I realize it’s a montage of several, one of which is that Marshall hit (which is the one I was talking about). The announcers didn’t even see it, as it was only at the edge of the replays they used during the game, and they were looking for the facemask which was called, and the line of scrimmage. I can only assume the refs were looking at other things too — that was a textbook penalty. Granted Cam set himself up for the hit by waiting until the last instant, again, to throw it.
Makes you happy that Doug wants Carson to run…Keep you head on a swivel, lad…
Here’s hoping Cam is pissed and takes his revenge next week against the 49ers.
Do you really care what the frigging Niners with that dumbarse head coach do week in and week out?!
As long as it is embarrassing and reaffirms our decision as the correct one, no, not at all.
What A_T_G said.
refs were pretty bad in that game.
seems like they were trying to keep Denver in the game
wow I hadn’t seen this. Crazy.
The league should allow a booth official to call down and stop game and call penalty for targeting. The NFL has this big elephant in the room CTE and they need to make this a big issue. It’s bad for both players.
Agreed. And how does Carolina get away with not evaluating him for a concussion? He looked unconscious following that last hit, and not altogether there earlier.
I think there’s actually a neutral person/DR in the booth too. I read the team doctor and neutral person (together or separately) reviewed the replay and decided he didn’t have any concussion like symptoms. yeah sure.
It is really hard to watch that in slow motion and think it is anything other than malicious. In real time it didnt seem nearly as bad.
I just realize now that is a montage of three different “tackles”.
It is isn’t it. Like Tommy’s title… im gonna 180. Suspend everyone!
no. I watched it on TV and thought right away that the hits were way too high.
those refs sucked
Now I understand most of those hits were bad. But the one were Miller was standing straight up and Ware sacks Cam from behind should not be talked about as being malicious. What is Miller supposed to do there? Their facemasks collided, Miller’s head is up and its when another player hits Cam from behind that knocks Cam into Miller. I was glad that that one wasn’t called. But all the other hits do look like they targeted Cam’s head. Guys just put their head down and speared Cam.
I really hope that Lane Johnson will get suspended before the regular season is over because we need him for our deep playoff run.
Like I said, that won’t happen TIL closer to October,
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If Bradford was still our QB, then it would definitely be better for Lane to be suspended for the beginning of the season so we can have him back in time for the second half, and While I probably would still prefer that with Wentz at QB, an argument could be made for it being better to have lane available in September to get Wentz off to a good start and build some confidence. give a QB time and even a rookie will make some plays for you… The last thing we want is Ray Hortons brown defense to generate pressure and beat up Wentz early in the game. Need to protect him early, let him get comfortable and get him into a Rythem and get our confidence up, not just for Wentz, but we want to build the teams confidence in Wentz as soon as possible
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I think we would be crazy to accept 10 games without appealing it evem tho I would probably prefer the suspension start sooner rather than later
This article was very enlightening on what actually went wrong the last 2 years.
“It’s one thing for a team to miss a block or for the play caller to guess wrong, but these are abysmal, totally hopeless plays rarely seen in the NFL. Yet Kelly repeatedly deflected criticism that his offense had become predictable by saying that the issue came down to only one thing: “We need to execute.”
This is a great read…https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.1m7igtjal
I can’t tell if Chip has so much belief in his overall philosophy, as it pertains to his offensive system, his sports science and his roster building that he just believes it will work or that he has just run out of ideas and wrinkles to make his system work. But I have been peaking at 49ers preseason games and its true that he seemingly has not changed his offense from his last year in Philly. Very disappointing coming from the “mad scientist.”
Adam Caplan says that numerous coaches told him that chips offense was the easiest to prepare for in 2015..
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Crazy how when he was Hired, the popular narrative was that chip had all types of counters waiting for opponents once they would adjust to his offense after the first year, and that chip would always be one step ahead….In Reality, that narrative Couldnt have been more wrong.
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I don’t know too many offense that became stale faster than what chip brought to philly. If he hasn’t made,significant adjustments to his offense and football philosophies, it’s going to be a ugly TRAINWRECK in San Fran…
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No Concept of Complimentary football
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Ridiculous unwillingness to even admit that time of possession does matter at this level
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This preference to use tempo to basically try and trick offenses and force them into mistakes instead of using talent, Physicality, fundamentals to out execute the opponent.
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After 3 years training under chip, I do hope that Pederson takes advantage of many of our players being trained to play fast, and incorporates Tempo into our attack, but there is a time and a place for it, and it’s important to be balanced, be diverse, and be capable of playing complimentary football… Probably won’t be able to use much Tempo now that $ammy Dollaz is gone, and we are breaking in the rookie, but later on when Wentz gets comfortable, I do hope to see Pederson incorporate the use of Tempo… For example let’s say that our offense just scored on a long 7 minute drive, and right away the defense gets a turnover. When the defense is well rested like that, it could be an opportunity for the offense to whip out the tempo attack for a drive. But I feel bad for Niners fans if the egomaniac hasn’t learned anything and subjects fans to constant tempo..
Feel like Chip just stopped trying once he couldn’t get MM. Maybe he’s also an asshole, who knows.
i dont think he ever really wanted to be GM, just couldnt work w Howie..
Agree.
well he’s not even a football guy
The 2013 offense and (mostly) 2014 offense was hard to prepare for. It looked like he took out all the neat stuff in 2015 (did not want to risk Bradford’s knee?) and we became horribly predictable… and then the Kelly-as-GM choices of players (Demarco Murray) didn’t work with those few plays and we never really added more. And Chip-the-coach didn’t want to give up on his offseason plan when it proved hopeless and never adjusted. It was a very odd circumstance.
Belichik will experiment with players, but if it’s not working after 3-4 games, he ditches the plan and comes up with another. Kelly… just couldn’t admit the GM moves were wrong, or the plan was wrong, it seemed.
I hope he gets better, for his sake. Maybe he wanted to be conservative for 2015 and then get more creative in 2016 when Bradford was healthier, but … you can’t torpedo an entire season like that (especially when you just pulled a front office power play).
It’s sad, I was excited about the hire, and the first year was fun. Still not really sure what happened to him–an undiagnosed concussion, perhaps?
In any case, I think he’ll always have a place in the history of the game and its evolution.
I think it will be remembered the way the Wildcat was remembered.
Probably not, because as the article said, a lot of his innovations are now a part of the game. The Wildcat, not so much.
Which innovations? He didn’t invent tempo, and I’d argue NE uses it better than he ever did. He definitely didn’t invent the zone read.
Come on, now. That stuff wasn’t being used in the NFL until Chip brought it here. There’s a reason Bellichik was consulting with him.
Great read, thanks for sharing
I find it interesting that we’d run a guy who was just knocked out for a month with broken ribs after playing half a game.
Is Smallwood going to be active Sunday?
http://www.pennlive.com/philadelphiaeagles/index.ssf/2016/09/philadelphia_eagles_wendell_sm_2.html
Let’s hope so!
Let me rephrase , will Kenjon Barner get carries Sunday?
Let’s hope not.
Carl Nassib trash talking Wentz:
“He can run, he has good mobility, and he’s got a good arm,” said Nassib, via Cleveland.com. “His release is a little slow, so we plan to take advantage of that.
“He’s a dual threat, but I heard he’s a little banged up right now, so I doubt he’ll be running the ball very much,” Nassib added.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000697489/article/browns-see-wentzs-slow-release-as-an-advantage
Slow release?
How could Cleveland tell . . . based on the preseason?
Jeez, Wentz played only one half of pre-season football . . . in which he was running for his life.
Based on Pro-Day workouts?
C’mon. Sam Bradford is the greatest Pro Day — and Preseason Game 3 — QB in NFL history. But not so much in the regular season . . .
I know, I know. Bradford never had the same OC. Or a good HC. Or a good O-line. Or good WRs. Or a good D-line. Or a good defense. And he never, ever had a good PK.
Must be Wentz’s performance in college . . . but he was still faster in his release than Kevin Hogan — who is now on Cleveland’s PS.
Weird.
Hopefully we found our Russ Wilson.
His brother may be the worst QB in the NFL and his college QB was Hack. So he doesn’t really get to talk.
CLE talking a lot of trash for an awful team.
Malvern Prep d bag.
even if your coaches told you this in the film room, you are an idiot for repeating it to the press.
When your front office is classless, publically shitting on another teams draft pick, no surprise to hear the players also run their mouth.
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That’s why I accept all the rough times that come with developing a young QB in live games, but just for this one week, I want Wentz to go crazy lightening up the Browns, Embarressing them with some crazy 36-9 blowout, where Wentz plays the game of his life, making the Browns eat their words, and force them to deal with all the questions that they will have to endure next week if Wentz smacks them around while our defense destroys RG3
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You can make a trade while remaining diplomatic and not shitting on another teams draft pick. They have to pay!!! Hopefully our veterans are really rallying around defending the Honor of our Ginger Gunslinger #SamuraiBirds
I don’t really see the slow release. On a scale of Aaron Rodgers as the quickest release vs. Colin Kaepernick with the very slowest, he is closer to Rodgers than Kaepernick in delivery time, by a country mile.
Pederson said his release can be “kaepernick like” at times…
chalkboard material
Jeff Fisher: sure if we traded away our starter maybe we’d be starting our rookie too
1) If he could trade Casey Keenum for a first round pick. And b) I watched Hard Knocks, and Goff seemed to fumble every 3rd snap.
and iii) why does Fisher act like he thinks he is Belicheck.
Who, Mr. 8-8?
in a good year
LOL Reports emerged today that Elway had been trying to trade for Case Keenum (who has played for Kubiak) and the Broncos had been monitoring his availability all offseason, and even have had talks with the Rams, until it became clear to the Rams that Goeff wasn’t even close to being ready to start. Which basically means that the Rams would have loved to flip Keenum for some value if Goeff wasn’t so damn unprepared… but not surprised that Fisher is spinning this.
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He managed to fool the Rams into thinking he deserves this job regqrdless of his lack of production, lol they just gave him another year as if he is even close to deserving of not having to deal with the lame duck dynamic… Even crazier is how he is one most highest paid coaches. He should build a statue to his agent
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I didn’t see it in Goeff to begin with, but if im Goeffs agent I would have done everything in my power to force the Rams not to draft him, being in LA is nice, being the #1 pick is great, but not at the cost of playkng for such an average at best Playet developmental staff. I was listening to Hassleback talk about how they don’t any coaches with a real pedigree in successfully developing QBs, and that’s a bad combination when talking about drafting a player from a college system that is ill suited for preparing Qbs for the pro level
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I’d rather slip a bit in the draft and go to a team with a pedigree for successfully developing QBs that they draft, rather than go #1 to a team coached by Jeff Fisher, one of the biggest charlatans among the coaching ranks.
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I cringed watching HardKnocks every time he would Bark to his players “To Trust, that I know what I’m doing” lol I wonder what his players were thinking when he says that. As if trusting Fisher has ever led them to anything more than Mediocrity,,,
I don’t buy that Racism is why Cam doesn’t get as much protection as QBs like Brady. I’m sure that there have been plenty of Black Refs who have been involved in plays where Cam Wasnt protected like other QBs would be. The answer to every injustice is not always Racism. Smaller black QBs who run like Russell Wilson, Tyrod Taylor usually get the “white glove protection”, where as there are times when defenders get away with Hitting Rithlisberger in ways they could never hit Brady…unfortunately, Carson Wentz is probably going to be officiated closer to Cam than the protection Brady enjoys because Wentz is a big strong kid who initiates contact and plays with a physicality that most pocket QBs DONT posses
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More likely, Cam Is dealing with the Shaquille Oneal dynamic. Shaq was an NBA Megestar beloved by All, yet known as one of the hardest playërs in NBA history to ref because of his sheer physical dominance, because he was so damn big you could get away with hitting Shaq harder than most other players and there was no racial component involved with Shaq not getting the same protection as all the other stars…. Not to mention, it was rare that Shaq was playing against another white star… So because a ref is racist and hates black people he is going to let black opponents like webber, Duncan and Motoumbo get away with whacking Shaq? What sense does that make?
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I don’t think it’s fair, but bigger, physically dominant players typically don’t get the same protection in contact sports, but football is too dangerous, so they really need to clean this up and start protecting the bigger physical QBs like Cam. odds are Wentz will probably be treated like Cam, Rothlisberger instead of not being able to touch him like Brady, Brees and Wilson enjoy
I agree about it being a function of size and strength rather than race, and I agree about Rothlisberger as a counter-example (I mentioned him below).
With the Shaq reference, unfortunately it doesn’t matter how big or strong you are when your head gets snapped back from a 250 pound man blasting into it with his helmet. Refs need to do better.
I agree, those hits were so blatant and inexcusable that the refs have to make those calls. It is a health and safety issue. The linebackers and d ends are as big if not bigger than Cam. This is not Shaq vs. a 6’10 skinny center.
It is somewhat like Shaq vs. a 6-10 skinny center but maybe not to the same extent. Cam is tough to bring down and he’s feared. It’s the combination of size and speed and fear. I mean Newton ran for 10 TDs and 56 first downs.
Yup, these aren’t hits out of the pocket coming at the whistle or Tom Brady taps to the helmet (“Personal foul, roughing the passer…”). That’s a helmet to helmet launch with the ref staring at if from 5 yards away.
I agree. This sport is too dangerous to not protect physically dominant players via the Shaq Dynamic Even if I thnk that’s what’s happening, and what’s mostly responsible for the lack of protection Cam gets compared to most QBs (less physically imposing). They really need to clean this up ASAP, and it should not have to wait for next offseason, bringing up how bigger QB’s are officiated during the owners meetings,., The NFL needs to act on this immediately, ref crews need to get together before Panthers and Steelers games and make it a point to officiate this out of the game and provide bigger QBs with the same protection..it shouldn’t even be a question when it comes to head shots
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Just because guys like Cam can take shots that would probably murder drew Brees, DOESNT mean that the NFL should allow it. it wasn’t fair to Shaq and thats just basketball. football is way too dangerous, it’s beyond a question of fairness. Gotta clean this up ASAP
“Black refs don’t call it either” is not a valid argument.
The position is that institutions are racist, not individuals. No one is saying refs take off the zebra stripes and put on sheets and hoods when they get home. The point is that “the black quarterback” is treated differently by the apparatus than the “quarterback”.
I still remember when Donny broke a rib after scoring a touchdown against the Panthers in ’09 on a late hit in the end zone. I kept thinking, if that were Brady or Peyton, flags would have been thrown immediately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5slrsh84qm8
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Eagles-Panthers_Morning_After.html
This is correct, and also going to be way above GEAGLE’s mental processing abilities. I appreciate the effort though.
It’s nice to see people who “get it” on sports forums.
Mike Vick was not a big guy.
Although most of Vick’s big hits were when he was running down the field acting like it was a pin ball machine and he were the pinball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7s1cRTMgA
Yeah, when you play like an idiot, refs can’t protect your even if they wanted to… There is no way to protect a dumb QB who doesn’t have enough discipline to slide, from getting his ribs broken when he dives head first and has a defenders body weight crashing down on his upper body, can’t officiate that out of the game, nor should they have to when they already offer QBs the ultimate protection, being untouchable when you slide after gashing a defense on the ground.
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There is nothing more infuriating to defenders than getting gashed by guys like Rodgers and Steve Yoûng, who run all over you and have mastered the art of being untouchable by having the Discapline to slide before a defender can get to them. That must drive defenders crazy
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000079690/Big-hits-on-Vick
BTW Shaq getting inducted tonight and A.I….and Yao
LOL Iverson showed up Late… That’s just Classic A.I..
You mean IVERSON and shaq and yao
I don’t expect a lot this year, but I’m getting excited and I’m going to me bad if we lose to Cleveland in the first game.
Eagles 31 – 13.
Domo has us winning something like 34-6
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I’ll be pissed if they score more than 13 against us. I don’t want them breaking 13 even in meaningless garbage time after we already secured the win..This defense needs to bring it and start the year with a statement
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If the Broncos can beat the Panthers with Siemian making his first start, than I don’t want to hear any excuses against this pathetic Browns defense, avoid Joe Haden, and force someone else to make plays. They gave away all their other defensive talent, quality safeties are gone. Last years top 3 pass rushers won’t be on the field sunday.. Kelce needs to hold up against the NT. Avoid Throwing at Haden, and throw to TE or RB who are matched up against any defender besides Kirksey
Week 1 and 2 can be summed up as garbage time. Could care less how the season starts. We call it week 1 and week 2, but it might as well be called preseason week 5 and 6 for the lack of insight it provides
I agree. Teams still grow and figure out who they are throughout september, but because we are going with a rookie. I think it’s important to take advantage of the weaker Brown/Bears defense that we start the year against to build the rookies confidence.
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After the week 4 bye week he has to face Detroit on the road, two division road games, and the return of SAM Braford and the nasty VIKING defense. So hopefully we take advantage of the easier defenses in early September to build some confidence. We couldn’t ask for two defenses better suited to get his feet wet against. Hopefully we can take advantage of that
True, hopefully Wentz can be on the beneficial end of the bizarre nature of the early season and take advantage of some weak teams. Or at least allow the offense be functional while still protecting him a bit.
refs gifted win to Broncos
Hopefully the nfl puts its money where its mouth is and makes fines rain down from the league offices at the Broncos. It’s just so Blatant on a guy as big as Cam so you have to do a Dawkin’s leap to actually hit him in the head, the whole team was pitching in on a blatant concerted effort. With the latest deflate gate ruling that basically gives the NFL the right to enforce the rules however it pleases (incoming correction from ACV) I’d be issuing multiple suspensions. See if any other teams try to “send a message” by head hunting if it gets a third of your starting defense sat. This is very serious stuff.
Last word for me on the refereeing last night. Those hits should get the ref in charge fired, and the back judge suspended. There is no player in the league who should be expected to deal with that shit. If the billionaires are sleeping okay after that, then the league will become a spectacle I want no part of. If they are serious about “changing” the mindset of the players, plays like we saw last night should get immediate ejections. And if that requires a live-feed crew in some remote location making that call, fine. The blatant disregard for the welfare of ALL the players should not ever be ignored.
The refs are obviously going to get in trouble, as they should. I’m more curious if people think Broncos were doing that shit on purpose? They seem to be a dirty group, especially Von Miller.
put me in that group (as the post below indicates). They may not have had a meeting and said “lets go head hunting”. But they definitely were on a mission per TJ ward “We wanted to make sure it got to him”, if that was the message and it just manifested by launching at his head from every direction as the easiest way to “get to him”… I don’t know. I think the punishments have to be severe enough to sort of take that out of your mental list of ways to leave a QB on the turf or throw a QB off his game.
It doesn’t even make sense. How is the best way to take down someone who is 6’6 jumping at his head? It’s kind of hard to do that by accident unless you yourself are 6’8
Agreed, Human beings hurling their entire bodies at a target 6 feet in the air is an incredible conspicuous action
I rather enjoyed it.
Why do you hate scam so much?
Because that entire “use our QB as a RB” type method is visually putrid. It represents the worst type of football from a stylistic standpoint, but folks glorify it. It needs to go away. I don’t want Brees, Brady, and Petyon replaced by Cam, Manziel, etc. I’d like to see a golden age of pocket passers extended forever.
It was beautiful in Chip’s system, though. If only he hadn’t stopped doing it. I love option-type shit.
I hated it in Chip’s system.
I liked it when it was working. But I love the run game, and I love RBs. QB pretty boys make me sick.
Slowly turning his brain to mush isn’t going to stop him from breaking a bunch of records, carrying an offense to relevance, and generally making the case that his style of play is effective. It’s just going to make for another tragedy down the line, and that’s an actual threat to this sport. Not the occasional big athletic QB that pops up trying to be the next Cam. That’s not a fear worth having since guys who can actually pull it off are by no means common.
Listen, I don’t want to see the guy head hunted, but any and all shots below the neck on the guy each and every time he’s playing peek a boo with the football or running with it should be in order. So seeing any QB who is running with the football “jacked up” is something I enjoy.
ok I can get behind that, that a life-long passion of mine towards all QB’s that aren’t mine. Every time I see a Qb brazenly step past that LOS I’m always impatiently waiting for a a defender to come from off-camera to light him up.
Wow. Brandon Marshall was dropped from his endorsement deal with some credit union for kneeling during the anthem in his support for Kaepernick
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That’s Harsh But that freedom of speech doesn’t apply to the business world. Image is the reason playërs get endorsement deals. Playërs can say what they want, but failure to project the right image will cost you money in the business world
Yes, freedom of speech goes both ways. He can say and do whatever he wants within legal limitations and…so can everyone else, including your employer (in my state at least) and sponsors. I have to respect his right to say what he wants, and he has to respect my right to kick his butt to the curb for saying it lol
And…just as merchants are free to put their ideas of patriotism on parade, consumers are free to boycott their wares.
also true! Which is why I try to avoid sweeping general statements publicly. If it isn’t worth putting nuance into your statement, it really isn’t worth stating.
You’re saying bumper stickers aren’t the highest form of political discourse?
I’d totally rock a Trump 2016 sticker if it wouldn’t get my car keyed up.
every political bumper sticker makes me throw up in my mouth a little. It used to more so, the level of passion people would get for people clearly pandering, and even while pandering they were almost always basically the same candidate. It’s like, yay candidates don’t even have to win us over anymore, we’ve all just been enlisted to fight a fabricated ideological war of attrition as each campaign’s appeal dwindles.
This year does seem different as for once the candidates are retarded amounts of different, and I can understand both sides legitimately thinking the other side might actually ruin the country lol.
You saying the Dems are car trashers meow??
I’d say 99% of football fans are patriotic or pretend to be.
I think the players would get a shitload more respect if their rationale behind it was that “the national anthem was written by a slaveowner, and verses about owning slaves are in the unabridged version. I won’t support such an anthem.” That makes sense to me. Vague references to bodies in the street doesn’t mean anything. The creator being an anti-abolitionist makes rational, concrete sense.
I mean. It’s all related.
Marshall whines about black lives matters and then goes out and tries to cheapshot the other team’s black QB several times.
hypocrite much?
Playing dirty in a sports game is a lot different than what they’re protesting. I’m not even going to write what that is because that’s not what I want to argue. Your logic is terrible though.
he deliberately tried to injure another player. that’s not football.
he is doing on the field what he falsely accuses cops of doing in the real world.
If you play a game with me, you better believe that I’m going to exploit whatever I can to win. That doesn’t mean that I’m in favor of changing the rules so that I always win, and it *really* doesn’t meant that I’d therefore support real life policy that, for instance, would lead to the ongoing suppression of people in our country based on race, religion, or nationality.
Good point and nevet really considered Was The Constitution written by slave owners..
Verses *celebrating killing* slaves
Easy to criticize people protesting from your couch.
Freedom of speech applies just fine in the business world. Others have the same rights though, which include the right to criticize you or stop endorsing you. You have the right to free speech, and all the consequences that come with it.
This whole national anthem sitting vs standing issue is so hilarious. This is America!!
Don’t go to an Eagles game and sit especially right now. And take off your hat. Eagles fans love the National Anthem and military.
and they hate hats!
If we played in a dome I’d make the argument that you shouldn’t have a hat on in there at all.
But I’m firmly in the “men’s hats are outerwear only” school of thought.
“Don’t you hate pants?”
The way I hear it, the whole snowballs at Santa incident was incited by fans noticing he didn’t remove his cap for the Anthem. “Dang illegal immigrant ain’t gunna disrespect my country!” was heard as the first snowball flew.
Despite being German I always stand up during the US national anthem simply out of respect.
Cannot wait to stand up again at the Linc this Sunday!
In spite of being in political agreement with most of what these guys are trying to highlight; I also stand out of respect to the concept of our nation as a place where we can strive to make things better.
The pledge on the other hand……………………….
totally agree on all points, full support and investment in the country, as in the concept and people in it, but I reserve the right to tell the republic for which the flag stands (so the pledge would claim) to kiss my butt.
Correct. The establishment clause of the First Amendment allow one to deduce that our nation is most assuredly not “under God” and not all folks truly enjoy “liberty and justice.”
Just dont sit any of the off the beaten track places where Agholar sits
I’m just about done with having it covered.
Is this legit?
https://twitter.com/stephen2glasser/status/774228839060807686
Ask me after Wentz drops a perfectly thrown TD pass right into Ertz’s hands over bum ass Landon Collins.
I picturing lobbing one into DGB over, well, anyone on the Browns.
I want the science on how that isn’t unstoppable and why other teams with gigantic receivers and accurate QB’s don’t just throw jump ball after jump ball.
Maybe nobody thought to throw those passes.
Although I remember some guy proving the concept was plausible before he shot himself in the foot…
Yes, figuratively shooting yourself in the foot and literally shooting yourself in the leg have ruined a career or two, doing both is a sure career killer.
I would prefer something that causes mass suicides in the NYG fan base.
Looks kind of fake, but I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to do it, given time.
Right, no real reason to doubt it. No videos like this ever claim to be a single take/attempt (the ones that do, then you can call them liars, but the video may still be legitimate). The feat isn’t THAT impressive for a guy with his arm strength to eventually sink that throw given an unknown amount of attempts, therefore isn’t really worth faking.
Great to see the chemistry between Wentz and trashcan.
So theoretically the first four picks next years draft could be:
1. Browns
2. Browns (from Eagles)
3. TEN
4. TEN (from LA)
And its actually within the realm of possibility considering the teams. Although I think the Eagles pick will be in the teens.
The idea that we could be the 2nd worst team in the league this year is, honestly, completely asinine.
The team will be much better than the doom and gloom crowd would have us believe. At a minimum, they should be better than last year.
You think 8-8 is the minimum? I’d love that, but I’m having trouble getting past 6 ish.
Did you by chance read the article I posted below from Chris Brown on smart football? If you didn’t, in a nutshell, defenses knew most of the plays were we running last year based on our offensive alignment…both running and passing plays.
Our defense should be better, especially if they are a little more rested. Our special teams should be similar. Our offense should be better as well..line is better, running backs are much better without DeMarco, receivers will be better without Cooper and having more reliance on TEs. If Carson falls somewhere between 1/2 season Sam and last 7 games Sam, QB will be similar or better.
I can definitely see 8 wins.
Poor theory. Niners will be picking first overall (Cleveland can’t even tank properly), we’ll be handing them early / mid teens and the Vikes will give us 22 or 23.
I really, desperately, against all odds would love to see the Viking finish below us. If Howie moves us UP a few spots in the first next year, they might rename the city.
I like the Vikings and have been shooting off my mouth about Green Bay’s lines being fraudulent; so I’m ok with a Vikings division win. They’re welcome to lose in the wild card round however.
That is worse case scenario. Lowest first rounder and latest bonus pick. We want either uber bad or super bowl.
Adrian Peterson goes down and that Vikings ship is sunk.
Howardsburg?
5. Eagles (from Vikings)
Not sure how many of you are Philly across the board but Wentz starting to play has me thinking……………….
Hexy needs to get Matt Read’s money stealing rear end the F off of this roster so Konecny has a spot. And Provorov had better be playing this year.
Embiid, Saric, and Simmons all arriving at once is awesome for the Sixers; but I’m not in the mood for any more laying down on the job by any of their top guys. GET THE F ON THE COURT!
SOOOOOOOOO disappointed in Matt Tampax not calling up any of the Phillies prospects when rosters expanded. Maybe they didn’t have enough WARs or some other made up analytic garbage state. And too many guys on the big club regressed this year. Franco especially. I’m about done with Pete.
The Union need to get Edu to stop laying down on the job (5 months + for a 3 month injury) and help the club get across the finish line for a high playoff spot. Bedoya was a great addition as well.
Matt Read’s advanced stats are good though. He’s a weird case, because the possession numbers favor him having a bounce back year. I hope Provorov and Sanheim are up this year. Gathering Sanheim is a better skater, while Provy has a much more complete game. Get them both up here.
Sixers = I. Can’t. F’n. Wait. This will be my first year getting the NBA package, and I think it’ll be worth it. Covington might have a “break out” year, because he should get more open looks. Love the way that team is looking.
color me old school. The only “advanced stats” I like are ones that advance the scoreboard or +/-
Read is meh. Read + Couterier is very good. They’re a great PK line, and they regularly shut down opposing scoring lines. If they could score more, it would be lovely, but that’s not who those guys are. Konecny would be replacing a guy like Raffl, not Read.
Kind of funny how things play out. Seemed like such a sure thing on draft night that Goff was going to start in week 1 because “why not, whose going to start over him?” and supposedly he was the NFL-ready one. And the Wentz was going to be MIA until 2017 because the Eagles were adamant that he would be. And here we are today, predictably, the unpredictable has happened to throw all that out the window. Wentz era (may it prosper) has begun due to ludicrous circumstances, while Goff’s has been delayed.
Jeff Fisher is saying “If we traded our starter, our rookie would be playing too” Jeff, you guys didn’t have a starter to trade! What are you talking about?
It’s my understanding from the scouts in the media that Goff was more ready to play because he played at a big school (and in a big conference) and he threw a lot of passes in college.
The overriding theme was that Wentz had no comparables in the NFL so he was hard to scout.
It seems that outside of using false statistics like many used by pff and other statistically-driven companies, there is very little innovation in the scouting world.
Probaly has more to do with the infrastructure around them.
Great minds think alike
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I think the main reason Wentz is starting is that Chase Daniel is beyond bad. Like worse than Sanchez bad.
I disagree. I think even sucking with Daniel would’ve been fine, with the idea that Carson could only start when ready. We’re not contending for the Super Bowl.
The only thing this team would contend for with Daniel as the QB is worst or 2nd worst record. At least with Wentz they have a chance to do more. Fine and Daniel should never be in the same sentence. LOL. The exception to that would be, “With Daniel they would NOT be fine.”
I don’t think I’ve disliked a QB in this town as much as I dislike him. He’s getting into Cary Williams territory with how much I dislike him.
I also super surprised how much i hate Daniels. . I saw Sanchez w Jets and knew he suked … but we pay Chase 2M MORE !! WTF.
Why would Pederson bring this guy and pay him all this money if he was this bad, though? It makes no sense. He should have had enough information on him already.
I can’t wrap my head around this and the only thing I can think of is that he likes what he sees in the film room or what’s in his head. What are your thoughts on it?
No one has seen chase play in a game with game planning. Even DP. Hard to really judge him.
How many back up QBs in he league do you want for more than a spot start or two?
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