Bad Day
Posted: October 16th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 234 Comments »The Eagles lost to the Skins 27-20 in game that should not have been that close. WAS dominated the line of scrimmage, rushing for 230 yards and keeping Kirk Cousins from being sacked even once. There will be a lot of talk about penalties. There will be lots of discussion about the poor play of Halapoulivaati Vaitai. The bottom line is that the Eagles overall OL and DL did not get the job done, and the supporting players didn’t help them out.
If there is a positive to take from this mess, it is the fact that the Eagles got handled but still found a way to stay within one possession. Normally it feels like the Eagles are the team that dominates someone and lets the other team hang around. For 2 weeks in a row, the Eagles clawed their way back into a game, but just couldn’t overcome double-digit deficit in the 2nd half.
Plenty of people are ripping Doug Pederson. He punted the ball on 4th/24 late in the game instead of going for it. I have no problem with what he did there. The Skins had just swarmed all over Carson Wentz for the past couple of plays. He was affected by the rush at that point. The OL was really struggling on that sequence. The idea that they are going to block well, he’s going to be patient and then make an accurate throw to convert on 4th/24 is a real longshot. Pederson counted on his defense making the stop on the ensuing series, which they did not.
The Eagles are a good team, but they do not have elite talent. This team cannot win games when they are making so many costly mistakes. Fletcher Cox hits the QB late to give WAS a chance to score a TD, which they did. 4-point mistake. Zach Ertz fails to catch a slant pass inside the 5, which would likely have turned into a TD. 4-point mistake. Carson Wentz takes a sack late in the game with WAS rushing only 3. That created 4th/24. Nigel Bradham missed a tackle of Cousins on 3rd down in space and that drive ended in a TD instead of a punt. 7-point mistake.
It seems like forever since the Eagles started the season 3-0 and looked so good. They have now lost 2 in a row and are just 1-2 in NFC games. I still believe in this team. They have played 2 straight sloppy games and have lost both, but just look back a year ago for some perspective. After 5 games, the Eagles were 2-3 with wins over the Jets and Saints. The Jets gave that game to the Eagles and the Saints defense was so awful that Eagles receivers were running around wide open all game long. When the Eagles fell behind in some midseason games (TB, DET), the team completely fell apart.
This team has a rookie head coach, new staff and rookie QB. They are 3-2, with all of those wins coming by 14 or more points. The losses were by one point and 7 points and the Eagles had a chance to tie or win each of the games. There is an emotional toughness to this team. They might get rattled here and there, but they settle in and battle you for 60 minutes. That’s a very good sign considering all the change.
Pederson has to clean up the penalties. That is going to be a point of emphasis this week. They will study the calls and see what could or should be done to eliminate them.
As to the overall sloppy play, teams are going to run hot and cold. That’s part of human nature. It took Andy Reid’s teams a few weeks to find their groove. This team seemed to be in a groove prior to the bye, but that’s ancient history now. This isn’t about teams getting game tape and figuring Pederson/Wentz out, this is about poor execution by the Eagles.
Last year KC started 1-5 and then won 10 games in a row. Pederson and Reid didn’t panic. They made changes that helped the team and then the team got on a serious hot streak. I don’t think the Eagles need major changes. They need to execute better and cut out the bonehead mistakes. This team isn’t good enough to win when they help the opponent out.
Pederson and his staff now have 2 games worth of mistakes to study. This isn’t a fluke, it’s a trend. We’ll see what the coaches do and how the players respond. This is a critical juncture in the season.
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We got whipped in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
Embarrassed themselves today. Completely unprepared to play for the second week in a row, which absolutely brings Pederson’s coaching ability into question, as does the decision at right tackle along with the complete lack of discipline.
Was basically a choice of which weak link would you like to announce to everyone. I don’t think there’s a right answer there.
ODB 8 catches for 222? damn
The Ravens are embarassing.
I don’t care what you say about Zack Ertz, those drops make him worthless.
Yep.
Really really really frustrating.
be interesting when we play a team that basically knows the whole playbook
cowboys look really good…
Yeah, but keep in mind that the Packers suck. Remember when Rodgers was hurt and they sucked? Well, with Rodgers playing like Scott Tolzien it’s kind of the same thing.
Green Bay and Cincy suck.
Hate to say it, but you’re correct
Welp, I hate the Eagles and now I hate the Packers too. What the fuck are they doing on defense?
Mike McCarthy is a terrible coach. The Packers are wasting Rodgers’ prime with him.
Wonder what Jimmy K. has to say about the dumpster Cowboys this year. F u.
so are we just hoping that jp plays a couple more years?
They flashed a stat something like :35 offensive plays.. sacks, 6 hits, 11 rushes
I think we all knew deep down this was not a elite team and still needs a lot of work on the roster and schemes. This was a winnable game and they only executed in spots, the inconsistency and learning curves are showing.
Defense got gashed hard and it is obvious again we do not have the LB or CB unless the game plan goes perfectly. The DL is good, but we’ve seen DET and WSH both scheming to defeat the wide 9 effectively.
The OL is not up to par and the depth is just not there. To have to play a rookie at RT because you have no better depth is pathetic. Not sure how Stoutland still has a job but we need better talent too.
We’ll see now how Pederson, Schwartz, Wentz etc. handle this coming run of games vs MN, DAL and on. It is a critical stretch if we have any chance at the playoffs this season.
sad how shitty our personnel is, still.
Before the 3-0 run, this is still better than any of us expected preseason. The state of the unhook is still strong. R-E-L-A-X
Welp. Feels like the same team as last year. Oh well, at least we’ll always have those first three weeks…
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I don’t know why people can’t just live with the fact that we are a 5-11 team this year. We don’t have the talent at WR, our oline is lackluster. Can’t get the run game going. Our defense is now in shambles with injuries. We have Cox, Wentz and Peters as elite talent in the team and that’s pretty much it.
What Peters are you watching?
really hard to call wentz elite.
I’m aware just trying to be positive and nice. People were crying because I was being to negative
You need to chill out.
I can’t I don’t have any leafy substances to keep me cool. The bright side is each loss has been one possession. If we didn’t have the dumb mistakes and penalties we prob would be 5-0…
Need to buy low on Terrell Pryor and get some more talent if we want to do anything.
Buy low? Dude is about to get paid crazy money. The WR market is basically going to be him, Alshon, and Kenny Stills.
Pryor has low morals and an inability to read a map.
I’m all for that. We are far from a championship team. I’m just pandering to the people crying about me being negative earlier.
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“far from a championship team” I don’t like that saying. Who is the championship team in the league right now with a perfect roster? NE isn’t good because of their receivers, that’s for sure. DEN has not looked good lately. So who isn’t far from a championship?
The Panthers are 1-5. They were in the Super Bowl last year. Are they “far from a championship team?”
They have been inconsistent for the longest time man. One year they went like 13-3 the next they blew they keep alternating.
Ok, so are last year’s NFC Champions “far from a championship team” or not? Your phrase, man.
They are not. They may look like it right now, but they could right the ship. Losing Josh Norman shouldn’t cause the whole entire team to implode.
If we cut out a few dumb penalties and plays we could be 5-0 right now. The difference is we don’t have the talent to take us to a Superbowl. If the panthers fix whatever is happening with them they could go back.
Dgb has some real talent- I’m excited to watch him grow and mature. However, I think Agholor lacks the “it” factor. If he catches 60 passes a year, that may be his ceiling
What a vile “effort” from the team today. Really gutless on so many levels. I hope they find a way to get things going back in a positive direction next week.
This is funny. Especially because the coaching staff lied to everybody about Big V being ready.
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/787785258456453120
That is not good.
No, really bad way for Wis to express himself.
Absolutely. That is a shit move. “I was told…” What is that? You were there practicing with him, dumb ass. Support your teammate.
frustrating for a vet to sit and watch a rook be terrible and not get a tap.
I think it’s likely big V didn’t look good in practice either.
It’s a team game. You don’t undercut your teammate like that. Full stop. Wisniewski may be a veteran, but he’s a pretty mediocre player (he wouldn’t be on his third team in three years if he weren’t) and he doesn’t appear to be a great locker room guy. He isn’t indispensable enough to be a prima donna.
Yeah, I can’t really fault his comments if the coaches are putting individual players over the good of the team. If he didn’t earn his spot, I completely understand a veteran being salty (especially if he was promised a chance to earn a starting spot when he was signed).
He wants a chance to play and earn money as a FA after this year. As a human, I understand his frustration. As a professional, grow some balls and shut your mouth with the press
I didn’t buy the Vaitai propaganda they were selling all week.
Well, let’s hope it was propaganda because if Stoutland really thought Vaitai was ready to play OT in an NFL game then he is bad at his job.
not sure how stout still has a job, oline has been bad every year
Because for 2 years he was a genius with 4 and 5 star recruits under Nick Saban at Alabama.
Losing Stoutland clearly destroyed that program.
Yeah, I’ve been questioning Stoutland for 2 years now. What have we seen from him to make us think he’s NFL coach material?
He really is not a good coach, and considering Kelce’s play has dropped off a cliff…looks like we need a total overhaul.
And I don’t understand how much practice reps count during the middle of the season. I mean they are probably more concerned about keeping and getting guys healthy then having high contact drills.
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You can use this:
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Mike, it was his first nfl game, cut him some slack.
I’m not being excessive about Big V’s bad game. You’re correct it was his first game. But the coaching staff set expectations a tad high. So I’m finding Wis’s comments funny, even if they’re not really helpful.
I’d cut him more slack if he looked like he had the physical ability but made rookie mistakes. But he just got pushed straight back into the QB every damn play. The Redskins pash rushers didn’t even need to use moves on him.
If he looks like a Pop Warner player next week also, I’ll agree with you. Vikings DL is way better and will be a tough challenge for Big V.
You don’t think they are going to play him next week too do you? I hope not.
So he’s basically a younger version of Kelce.
knowing lj was going to be out for the last 2 months i’m surprised this is all they had.
Eagles are the worst team in the division, and have the hardest schedule.
The worst team would be the Giants.
And will have the worst 1st round pick!
But they would have better picks in all the other rounds!
When it rains it pours. THe rest of the NFC east are winners this week
Dont tell me about the Eagles lack of talent when the Dal D does what it does with absolutely no one
Cincy last week, Green Bay this week…….some really bad chokes out there this year.
And you know they’ll get it together by the time they face us. Ugh.
I’m starting to think that they should probably move Barwin back to linebacker because his pass rushes leave him closer to the DBs than the quarterback.
so zeke is real
Anyone else see Marcus Smith II pointlessly shove Cousins in the back as Jenkins was scoring his TD? He’s lucky he didn’t get a TD negating flag thrown on that. What an idiotic move.
Yes I saw it and cringed. However players do that all the time. Could have been called of course just like sproles and smallwoods blocks. It is what it is.
Coming into the season expectations were low for the offense, especially when Wentz was named the starter. The strong play from Wentz has been a pleasant surprise.
The excitement over the first three games was the dominance of the defense. That’s what had everybody flying high. I don’t use the phrase often, but it seems the defense has been exposed. Yes there have been some sloppy penalties, but once again the defense is failing on 3rd and long.
Looks like we need a (good) year or two of drafting and FA to get some DBs, LBs, and pass rushers.
And I’m not sold on Schwartz and the wide nine.
we’ve probably drafted 10+ dbs in the last 4 years and cycled through a bunch of FAs; “we just need to draft someone” isn’t a great solution.
Haha if drafting someone or bringing someone in via fa isn’t the answer what is? Haha. I mean, getting a new GM and new coaches isn’t out of the question, right?
howie sort of secured his job for the foreseeable future, not sure what the answer is for getting good players on this team, nothing we try seems to work.
I still think we prematurely gave up on one this year.
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Yep. Still cant believe they gave up on Rowe after one season. Now we get to see trash like Leodis Mills and Brooks doing shit knows what.
It was always a stupid idea. Getting rid of young CB with upside because he was having a Sophmore slump and replacing him with career bums
One big move the Eagles need to make is benching Connor Barwin and starting Vinny Curry. Barwin is a terrible fit in the 4-3 and it shows. He can’t set the edge, struggles to shed blocks and cannot generate pressure with his predictable and ineffective spin move. Curry has the burst and natural pass rush ability in this scheme and needs to see the field more. It’s that simple. He was given a 5-year deal to just ride the bench? No way. I love Barwin, but he is limiting the potential of our defensive line.
I don’t think the deal should figure into it. If Barwin was playing well, then we’d have no problem with paying Curry as a part time player and we’d be glad we had him locked up for the future.
But overall I agree. Barwin is almost invisible out there and Curry is knocking people over. Schwartz needs to put the best players on the field.
Curry STUNK today. He was blowing run assignment after assignment and did nothing vs rushing the passer.
Barwin is a bad fit but nothing Curry has shown the last 2 weeks justifies giving him a starting job & more PT. If anything, you might see Smith even start to take some snaps from Curry next week.
Last week Curry matched Barwin’s numbers in half the snaps.
miserable day of football. i honestly dont care about the W-L numbers as much as I hate sloppy football. The first three games I thought we had a coaching staff that wouldnt allow such ineptitude. We’ve had too much of that over the last few years. The “we shot ourselves”, “we should have won that game” etc etc. Its hard to watch.
wentz goes to old college bar, runs up 1000 tab, leaves $500 tip
Sammy would have left $1000.
When they say 5 sacks, 6 hits, 11 hurries, do the hits include the sacks and the hurries include the hits?
I am afraid that the answer is no, which means Wentz had 5 unhurried attempts all day.
Saw that also ..ubelivable..welcome to the nfl carson
And still didn’t wilt under pressure. Though I didn’t like those two sacks he took on their last drive. Gotta move out of the pocket.
Yeah, but if you give him the benefit of the doubt, it is impressive he had the situational awareness to realize throwing it away wasn’t the right call there – the field position battle was irrelevant.
Ugh, that one play where Ertz was wide open short of the sticks, but he held onto the ball hoping to find something deeper… Time for him to develop an internal clock.
What is crazy is that Kerrigan had nearly half of them by himself (2 sacks, 5 hits, and 3 hurries)
Not when you consider he was up against HPV.
Anyone want to put a beer on the next game? I’ll take the birds vs. Sammy Sleeves.
Coming back home should help. I hope they play more competent football.
Ive got a beer with you .. as long as its not a red apple ale..i hate those ads as much as that jerk doogie howsers porn jokes for heinekin
It seems like the Washburn incarnation of the wide-9 couldn’t stop the inside run while this version has difficulty with outside runs. Why the difference?
After a few hours to stew on it, still fuck this day. Our D played like dogshit and our OL was atrocious, even considering Big V’s Big Bad Day. And even though there were some more horseshit penalties, there were still a lot that were just dumb mental mistakes on our part.
HOLY FUCK WILL YOU STOP HOLDING PEOPLE JASON KELCE FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK.
Sorry just had to get that out of my system.
We’re so desperately short on talent along the OL, in the secondary, at WR…
Kelce was putrid again.
Sunday night and mondays hurt physical pain when we suck
McCloud led the team with 12 solo tackles. Mills was next with 5. That’s a damning stat for the defense. Which begs the question, what the heck is up with our front 7????
They really played poorly today.
They really did. I get Mills getting beat by DJax. I get Kendricks making a boneheaded play or five. But what I can’t understand is how gassed our DL looked throughout the game. How poorly they did getting to and hitting the QB (legally). Again, more lazy angles and guys over pursuing and not wrapping up.
This would have been much worse if they had Reed too.
They played the entire 2nd quarter
our front 7 is really just 6
Looked to me that the Skins ran underneath our attack.. preyed on overpursuit
them and every other team
Not just today. McCloud and Mills were #1 and #2 on the tackles list going into this game.
but, yeah, 12 solo tackles is a lot of tackles.
Wide 9.
I’m grateful for having a QB that doesn’t throw the ball straight into the ground anymore.
I’d be more grateful if he got on the field once in a while.
Yeah those Donovan years (also known as the most successful era in franchise history) were really the worst.
They were the most successful, and that’s sad.
No they weren’t. They were just the most successful years in our lifetimes.
I was at the game and it was even more crappy in person. Ugh.
Some thoughts on the day:
– Spoke to my dad who said the commentators for the game signaled that 1) Eagles WR are the weakest part of the team and 2) Washington setup their D to exploit that because they didn’t respect their receivers (though that last part is inference)
– Vaitai missed a couple assignments, and seemed to not get any leverage. Seems more technical than talent.
– I don’t know how Treggs hasn’t even gotten a shot at the field. Can he really be that much worse than the other WRs?
I’m not as mad as I used to be because Wentz is the real deal. It’s a shame that you can see how the talent around him is going to hold him back until they fix those issues.
The WRs were not the problem today. Had CW had time the WRs would have been fine.
that’s probably half true at least
I thought Ags made some clutch grabs. JMatt needs to do a better job of dragging his feet. DGB can be better at catching through contact.
Ertz just dropped a TD with no one around him.
I thought Wentz was missing guys high a lot. The early pressure messed with him a bit early on. I say we lost the game in the trenches on both sides.
Yeah Wentz overthrew some balls and did take that sack to create the 4 & 24.
First game where he really had to run around almost constantly though and while he took a sack or two where he could have gotten rid of it his mobility also saved them from at least that many.
Treggs doesn’t play because we keep dressing 4 RBs. Barner can ride the bench. We really dont need him especially if he only here for a 1 carry a game.
V was getting beat inside and out by Kerrigan.
Its really hard to judge the wideouts without seeing the film; you probably had a better view than we did. Our Offense didnt play the whole 2nd quarter. Pederson made a lot of questionable calls on offensive too.
“Barner can ride the bench. We really dont need him especially if he only here for a 1 carry a game.”
AMEN BROTHER
It really is a waste of a spot. No reason have 4 RBs on gameday. We arent running the ball 40 times a game.
What quarter did Logan get injured? That seems to hurt our D. Redskins ran like Forrest Gump on our asses.
None of you guys hav cheered me up yet
Howie’s gonna bring back DeSean next year.
That helps
OK, Ill try.
Dallas is a Super Bowl contender. The Eagles play the best teams in the South and West. The next 3 opponents have their bye before they play the Eagles. Lane Johnson will be back in 9 more games.
You forgot we have to root for Sammy Sleeves every week.
Phew thanks.. at least you didnt say 23 offensive plays. . 5 sacks, 6 hits, 11 hurries, 3 drops, 8 penalties that lead directly to TDs, beer price hike
Watch the Brock and the Texans……
I’ll give you a silver lining (for me at least): I’ll have no desire to read Eagles articles or listen to Eagles podcasts all week. This frees up a lot of time I can devote to other pursuits.
Me too. .ill save a few gigs if data usage
Im still reading but only like 5 times instead of constant
Tommy, I disagree with that decision to punt with 90 seconds left. The defense really didn’t do a good job of stopping them all game. It’s like he Andy Reided it. As soon as he did it, it reminded me of the Saints playoff game.
Also, it seems like he played it a lot more conservative today.
Also 4 weeks of tape on him. I can’t believe our wrs are so bad.
Playing not to lose is a sure way to lose
The Redskins have trouble stopping the run and Vaitai has trouble stopping pass rushers so I think the game plan focused more on the run for those reasons.
Is DGB going to get more snaps, or is he still trying to learn the playbook?
Where was the red zone fade to DGB? We’ve seen him run that one before…
Wasn’t undisciplined play and tons of penalties part of Schwartz’s Detroit defenses?
Anuone watching Colts vs Texans ? ..anyone anywhere in the entire US ?
These prime time games have often been brutally bad matchups.
Yes, Brock $70m? Haha.
Flipping between that and baseball.
The rating for the Thurs night game this week was still 3.5x that of Game 5 between the Nats-Dodgers.
Even with the decline in the NFL ratings this season, it still is the most widely watched show when it is on and crushes others among 18-49 age bracket.
stopped reading once you said you had no problem with Pederson punting on 4th down with less than 2 minutes left.
Ehh, 4th and 26? With this OL? Wentz would have been crushed before his receivers got 10 yards down the field.
If they stopped that asinine long run, it was the right call. I wanted to go for it, too, until I did the quick math and counted the timeouts and time left. It was the right call, the defense just folded (though they’d done well the drive before).
Anyone have a gif or tweet of that scramble drill/completion to DGB? Trying to see if it was as awesome as I remember it being.
It was pretty awesome.
2nd week in a row Cox traded a FG for a TD in the red zone. Last week was ripping Stafford’s head off and this week he damn near head butted Cousins
I wonder if these stupid defensive penalties are because of Schwarz. His Lions always had a TON of unsportsmanlikes…
Barbre is arguably their best OL they have right now. That is how much they drop off with Johnson out and how much Peters & Kelce struggled.
At least our quarterback isn’t Brock osweiler.
And then on top of this dumpster fire of a loss, we have to look at Eliots stupid grin and try to come to terms that the Cow-weiners found a franchise qb in the fourth round….
Dak looks fine, but limited. He’s accurate and takes care of the ball, but they’re making his job easy by running the ball well and protecting him. I don’t see the “wow” plays that make me actually scared of him – if he’s the Cowboys’ QB for 10 years I think it’s a good thing, because I don’t see him as a Super Bowl caliber QB. He’s Alex Smith, basically.
Dak is good.
Maybe better than Romo
Like I said, he’s fine. I think he can be a long term starter in the league. But I don’t look at him and say “shit.. that’s a top 5 QB we have to face twice a season for the next decade”. There is nothing to be scurred of.
He’s still a rookie and he is already playing well. Already better than a Alex Smith. He is probably only going to get better.
He is already a better QB than I’m comfortable with the Cowboys having.
He’s not going to get that much better, because he doesn’t have the physical talent. He’s already very polished and has a good understanding of the game. There’s not much he can do to improve in that aspect of the game. He’s not going to be a top 5 QB because he doesn’t have that kind of natural ability. Wentz does.. Like I said, I’m not scared of him.
Doesn’t have the physical talent? He can make the throws and he can run.
And that’s the first time Ive ever heard anyone call Dak polished. He was project coming out of college.
He has a strong understanding of the mental aspects of the game and makes smart throws. That’s polish.
You say he can “make the throws”… he doesn’t have a noodle arm, but I don’t see a guy who can gun the ball 30 yards into a tight window to beat double coverage on 3rd and 18. That kind of throw is what separates the pretty good caretaker type QBs like Alex Smith from the truly elite talents. We’ve already seen Wentz make that kind of throw a dozen times this season. I’ve yet to see Dak make it once.
He can make the underneath throws. Doesn’t go deep unless there’s a big breakdown in coverage.
Exactly. That’s why I don’t see a guy who’s a genuine threat to be a top QB for years.
I agree, he doesn’t scare me either. I think Garret is doing a real good job with their offense and putting him in great position to succeed.
It helps that he ALWAYS has a wide open receiver to throw to. I mean, the idea he’s going throw to Witten or Beasley on 3rd down is apparently a complete surprise to every DC they’ve played.
Elliott continues to impress me more and more each week. Carried them this week and they reminded me today in the 2nd half of the 90s Boys with Emmitt & how their OL would just grind people down by the 2nd half.
I think when we play them somebody is getting blown out. Not sure who yet
Blown out? You mean injured?
All of the criticism that Elliott took the first 2 week is long gone.
Only question is do the Boys lean on him too much and give him too many carries & touches. If they keep him at a 30-32 touch pace/game, I don’t see him holding up well.
Interesting to see how they mix in Morris and if they try to keep Elliott at more of a 25-touch pace game. Won’t mean much now but by the end of the season it will be basically be 2 more games worth of touches possibly before the playoffs even start.
Elliott is good. It was still dumb of them to take him 4th overall.
With Bryant, Elliot, and a strong offensive line, he sounds more like Aikman.
Aikman was a great QB. He didn’t always put up flashy stats but the guy could gun it when he had too. I don’t see the same level of talent in Prescott.
With they would have just drafted Johnny football
For me, that part is so much worse than the growing pains we all knew this season would contain.
All the doomsayers: Just… Stop.
The turnaround from “OMG the Eagles are going to win all the Super Bowlzzz!!!” to “The Eagles are the worst team in the division and will be lucky to win 5 games!” in the attitudes around here is just ridiculous.
It is a LOOOOOONG season. The Eagles lost two winnable road games and looked very bad at times doing it. But all teams other than the very best and very worst have highs and lows over the course of a season, and we knew at the beginning of the year that this team is not among the very best. The Chiefs started 1-5 last year and made the playoffs. This is not the end of the world. RELAX.
Im more pissed about the Cow-Phallics. The Eagles have Carson MF Wentz which is amazing but Cow-scrotums success is too much.
This too.
Cows don’t actually have phalluses or scrotums. Cows have udders.
Manic Eagles’ fans.
Just frustrating because people had realistic (and fairly low) expectations coming into the season, and seem to have forgotten all about them way too quickly.
I never got too high on this team and can’t bring myself to being too down on them either. With a healthy Carson, I love our long term prospects. However, today was a thorough ass-whooping that should be concerning to fans. Second straight week our Defense was shredded. 2nd straight week we played sloppy, undisciplined football. And today, our offense made a subpar defense look like the ’91 Eagles.
There’s reason to be mad at this precipitous decline. Especially on the heels of a bye week.
Mad, sure. They played like trash on fire today and I’m certainly not happy about that. But that doesn’t mean they ARE trash on fire. It’s a team with a new staff implementing new systems on both sides of the ball and a lot of new players, including a rookie QB. It isn’t reasonable to expect a team like that to play like a well-oiled machine for 16 games. I don’t think what we saw today was precipitous decline so much as the normal variance that occurs over a 16 week season. Against the Steelers everything clicked. Today almost nothing did. The team’s true level is probably somewhere in between.
Look at it this way: if before the season somebody told us that the team would be 3-2 after 5 games with Wentz playing every snap and definitely looking the part of a franchise QB, I think most of us would consider that an unqualified success for the first six weeks of the season. I don’t think that big picture evaluation should change just because the team happened to have crested and now hit a trough rather than the reverse.
Makes you wonder what happened between weeks 1-3 and 5-6. How odes the team come out so flat in a divisional game is what I dont understand. Poor showing on both sides of the ball. Usually good teams come out and whoop ads after a tough loss. See Steelers last week, the fact that offense only put up 6 pts sucks.
As I see it, there were two things that killed us today:
(1) pass blocking. Not just Vaitai, although he obviously was the biggest culprit, especially early on. Wentz was harried and harassed all day and it really threw our offense off rhythm. The few times the line did give him good protection drops and penalties killed us.
(2) Schwartz getting outcoached for the second week in a row. The book is obviously out on the Eagles’ D being a hyperaggressive unit that can be lured into overpursuing, getting too far up field, and losing gap discipline. For the second week in a row, we got killed on counters, traps, draws, and screen passes. Schwartz has to adjust and get this fixed.
I don’t think either of these things was really “coming out flat” as such – there are just coaching adjustments that need to be made. We don’t have the talent to be a serious contender, but we can be in the playoff hunt if the team adapts.
What’s interesting is that we actually do seem to play better at home. Can’t remember the last time that was the case.
Were still above .500 right
It is very concerning that DGB still has not learned the playbook, when Sammie Sleeves can learn it in two weeks.
You sayin its the tint in the windows?
Guy was always going to be a project but its not likes he running the wrong routes or not where he’s supposed to be
Sleeves has been in 100 systems and shurmur is in minny. Dgb barely played in college and barely played as a rookie. Do think they should do more to scheme him open since he can actually catch.
There was no questions regarding Bradford’s intelligence and DGB was a project regardless. Even if he was here all off season he wasn’t going to breakout this season. He still has to learn the position first.
More good news for this day:
“Rowe definitely deserves more opportunities after personally holding Green to one catch for 9 yards on two targets in the second half. Rowe also let up a 1-yard catch to Bengals receiver James Wright”
You mean the guy fans were already calling trash because he struggled in camp? No way…
It was always a stupid move
Especially seeing the garbage we are trotting out there now
The Corners are awful.
Yeah we ALL liked Rowe and didnt understand why coaches not . Where is he anyway Belichek? ?
Gotta laugh to keep from crying. I think we all saw this one coming.
Sounds good in context but that’s can’t be the entire story?
For the record, I was never a big fan of the Rowe trade. I loved the young depth we had at the position, and with McKelvin and Brooks being temporary fixes, I though the future was bright. And I never understood the Mills love over Rowe, from Schwartz.
That’s for the record, unless the record shows that I said otherwise, which may well be true…
Meanwhile half way around the world Valentino Rossi had the pole position trying to hold off another world championship from Marc Marquez.. only way for Marquez to win would be for him to get 1st AND both Rossi finish worse than 15 AND Jorge Lorenzo worse than 20 … im sure you guys saw what happened ..
What happened?
Rossi in 2nd place approx 12 laps to go… wipes out.
AND then Lorenzo the same .. a few laps later.
( Lorenzo’s highside wipeout in practice will be on the highlight reel forever.) .. but Marquez gets his 3rd World Championship in 4 yesrs.. he’s like 25.
He’s a rockstar. As huge as it gets in world sports.. already in the conversation for greatest ever .. but pretty much could go unnoticed here
NFC East the best division this year? I’d say so far largely since there is no doormat in the division right now.
Way too early to say. At least one of these teams (and probably more) will fall off and finish below .500.
Giants are pretty close to a doormat (the Ravens suck). Eagles look like they’re going to be a walk in the park for any team with decent receivers.
I dont think we match up well with the Giants. They scare me.
So, is it time to reevaluate some of our position-coach hirings? Some things have been consistent over the last couple years: underperforming OL and underperforming CB’s…
So do we just blame injuries for our CB’s constantly allowing guys to run open in our secondary, or is Undlin maybe not that great? Rowe finally played today in New England and apparently shut down AJ Green (hey, maybe we’ll get that 3rd rounder after all!). Maybe with better coaching he could have actually performed well for us…?
And we (ostensibly) had a couple good weeks of OL play before Johnson’s suspension, but HPV was clearly not ready to play. What has Jeff Stoutland actually done for us? I keep seeing other teams plug in backups and rookies and not miss a beat. Is he a liability, or is the talent just not there?
I can’t get on board criticizing position coaches. I have to assume the head coach, who after all sees the results and the day-to-day and ultimately depends on the results, is the only one who can begin to tease out what is talent, what is coaching, and what is luck.
Okay, fair enough, so you think Chip Kelly and Doug Pederson are independently to blame for repeated failings by our CB’s and OL?
Back when Castillo was the O line coach, the team got results out of guys like Artis Hicks and Hank Fraley. When John Harbaugh was coaching the secondary, they turned undrafted rookies like Rod Hood, Quintin Mikell, and Clinton Hart into contributing players. That’s what good position coaching can do for you. When is the last time the Eagles current position coaches at these spots developed a no pedigree guy into a productive player?
But maybe those guys happened to be more talented than the guys Stoutland or Undlin have? I’m not saying I know the answer, I just don’t see how to make that determination.
Patrick Chung and the Safety in Carolina look like competent Safeties.
I think a lot of it depends on scheme and coaching; not to say talent has no bearing. Look at Maxwell in Philly vs him in SEA and Miami.
Wait Maxwell doesn’t suck in Miami?
No he’s bad there too
Held Antonio Brown to 46yds.
“Safety in Carolina”
Kurt Coleman? He did not look good today…
Most people on that Defense dont right now. But in general they get more out of him than we ever did.
The talent just isn’t there. It has been that way for years and might not change anytime soon since we have so any holes to fill.
So you think we just suck in the talent-evaluation phase, and Undlin and Stoutland are just fine?
I’d be lying if I said no. We’ve failed to draft and cultivate OL/CB talent since the decline of the Andy Reid era. I’m going to blame Howie and our previous coaches for that.
You rarely see a PBU by our CBs incompletions are either drops or bad pass
For the last couple years, every time an opposing QB threw deep, I assumed there’d either be a completion or a pass interference penalty. Looks like the same thing will happen this year…
Undlin I’m cool with. They lack talent but it’s also not Roc Charmichel levels of bad.
Stoudtland is on my last nerve.
Ostensibly? I’m leery of Stoutland, but we had 4 weeks of solid o-line play.
Hey! You’re not ever allowed to say the players didn’t execute! Not in Philadelphia.
No. 4 and 6 are atrocious:
http://www.barstoolsports.com/philadelphia/eagles-replacement-rt-halapoulivaati-big-v-vaitaivaitai-was-emasculated-to-the-core-vs-the-redskins/