Not That Bad
Posted: October 10th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 186 Comments »Eagles losses usually stick with me for days. I think about all the things that went wrong and how costly they were. I think about how short the NFL season is and how meaningful each game is. I don’t feel that bad today. The loss was certainly frustrating, but there is still too much about this team to be happy about.
The Eagles are 3-1, half a game out of 1st place.
The Eagles lead the NFL in point differential at +64.
The team is 12th in yards and 3rd in points scored. It is 2nd in both yards and points allowed.
The worst performance of the year resulted in a one-point loss on the road.
Think back to last year. Then drink a PBR or two. Lots of bad memories, right? The Eagles got off to a 1-3 start. They spent the whole year trying to get back to .500. That meant that the team couldn’t afford bad games over the last 12 weeks. Unfortunately, there were more than a few. The Eagles actually got back to 4-4 at one point. Then they took on the Dolphins. The Eagles jumped out to a 16-3 lead and were dominating the game, but then just fell apart and lost 20-19. The team never got back to .500 the rest of the year, let alone above it.
That was a mediocre team. They weren’t awful. You don’t go 7-9 if you’re awful. They just made too many mistakes to overcome.
The 2016 Eagles are different. They limit mistakes. They play complimentary football, where the offense and defense help each other. This team has a stud QB. He might be young, but he is the real deal. Carson Wentz is 6th in the NFL with a rating of 103.5. To put that in perspective, Donovan McNabb only had one time in his first 26 NFL games where he had a rating of 100 or above. Wentz is so far ahead of schedule that there is no way to honestly put it into proper perspective.
The Eagles needed to get off to a hot start because the next 4 weeks are tough.
at WAS
MIN
at DAL
at NYG
Bill Walsh used to tell his teams to think of wins as building a savings account. Build that thing up for when there is a rainy day. The Eagles went 3-1 and that sets the right tone for the season. It gives them a cushion for when things do get tough.
While that schedule looks tough, it is a good thing. We want to see this team tested. The Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls between 1992 and 1995. They had a ton of talent, but they also came along at a time when the Skins, Giants and Eagles were bullies. Those teams made Dallas better by being tough on them. The NFC East has been a mediocre division for a while, but it looks much improved. It is fun to watch the rivals struggle and lose, but honestly the best thing for the Eagles is to have those teams test them. The goal is to win a Super Bowl. One of the ways to do that is to have your rivals push you.
I don’t know if this team is going to win 12 or 10 or just 8 games. I see a lot of talent and can easily talk myself into big things, but we the next 4 games will give us a better idea of just how good this team really is and what the season holds.
I believe the Eagles can win each one of those games. Reality says they probably won’t, but it is a good feeling to not look at a schedule and think “How are we going to pull that off?”
Yesterday’s loss to the Lions was frustrating, but there were plenty of positives in the game and this is still a good football team. I’m guessing they will build off the loss and play much better next week.
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Eagles 14 for 111 Lions 2 for 18. I’m usually not so bold but, that’s FUCKING incompetent.
You need to read the article on the officiating. It’s really eye opening.
Tip to NFL Security: Look for any abnormalities in Pete Morrelli’s bank account.
Vegas really needed the Lions to cover.
Lions vs. Eagles Week 5 Betting Info
Note: All odds and numbers courtesy of OddsShark.com and are updated as of October 8
Spread: Eagles (-3.5)
Betting Percentages: 60 percent for Eagles (-3.5)
Over/Under: 46
Betting Percentages: 68 percent on Over 46
Season Results: Lions 1-3 straight up; 1-3 against the spread; 2-2 over-under total — Eagles 3-0 straight up; 3-0 against the spread; 0-2-1 over-under-push
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Just to kick Kendricks while he’s down, that 4th down tackle attempt (if you can call it that) was pathetic. No attempt to wrap up, then looks at the sticks while Riddick is still scrambling for yards. It’s like he’s got his Beats on while playing. Clueless.
Have to imagine that from here on out that Kendricks’ PT is going to be as limited as Marcus Smith unless there is an injury.
Schwartz has a little bit of a rep of once a player gets on his shit list he has a hard time coming off of it. Imagine Kendricks is either at the top of that list or close to it right now.
He had a chance in the 1st half to show he deserved being used more in the rotation mix & botched it in a notable fashion.
I wonder how long until he gets completely benched and give najee Goode a look?
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If Bradham or Hicks get banged up, im Probably ready to go with Goode instead of Kemdricks in our nickel defense, especially aganst the skins who lit Kemdricks up in Coverage last year just like Theo Riddick did yesterday and during the ugly thanksgiving day loss
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I can’t believe such a promising talent has been reduced to this Incompetant player I don’t even recognize
Yeah it’s too bad, Kedricks has looked bad in two systems, meanwhile his brother is a pro bowler in the making.
Gotta think he spends more time lifting than he does learning the game.
Seth Joyner questioned if he put on too much muscle. Says he looking like a defensive end these days
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Im afraid to put him on the field against the skins who had their way with him in Coverage last year… Yesterday he seemed just as clueless against Riddick as he was last thanksgiving, so how can I have confidence in him not letting the skins torch him again?
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So Dissapointing for a kid who came to us with plenty of 3down LB potential, looking like an ascending stud for the first few years is now pretty much imploding as a starting caliber NFL player. Really scary that quality defensive coordinator like Schwartz can’t help him get it together
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If we can keep,Bradham and Hicks on the feild for 16 games, I can live with his implosion and move on after the season but it really sucks to have to bet on those two staying healthy for 16 games…. najee Goode looked like he was playing his best ball this summer, Hopefully he is showing schwartz enough in practice to earn himself some of Kendricks reps just to see what he can do, and try to light a fire under Kemdricks ass
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If we have Eric instead of Mychal right now, our LB’s would be as good as anyone..
I’m still mostly concerned with the fact they came out flat. At least the defense. Not sure it’s fair to say the offense was flat.
In any case, that was always an issue with the Reid/McNabb Eagles. You never knew which team was gonna show up on Sunday. Was very frustrating. Hoping this was a fluke.
Also, I’m a little surprised we didn’t see more TE use and RB rotation. Maybe Doug trying to break tendencies after bye week?
I’m still viewing this year as a growth/learning year, but yesterday was winnable, dammit. They grabbed us by the pussy in the first half, but we turned things around there until the fumble.
Yeah, but Reid almost always won after a bye week.
I love the idea of getting pressure with just the front four, but it seems like that pressure doesn’t really get going until the second half when the opposing offensive lineman start to get tired.
I don’t think it was just yesterday. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but it feels like most of the sacks have come in the 2nd half. Maybe Schwartz needs to mix it up with some blitzes in the first half until the d-line gets going.
On the bright side, I don’t think we will have to listen to any “Schwartz is going to leave after one year and take a head coaching job” opinions this week.
Pressure was fine all day yesterday Lions just lived on the quick crap and screens.
Stafford had 180 yards and they had no bombs. Inability to get offf the field was the issue not the pass rush.
Which was largely due to penalties, some warranted, some not.
And poor tackling.
We still have no answer for those quick slants.
Stopped working once we had good LB play.
Ehhh you kind of just have to live with them. Penalties and missed tackles extended drives more so than the slants and screens.
Nobody does, but you can’t run just that play
Why not?
There were so many individual plays and bad calls from the officials to point to yesterday, but I thought one thing that not many people are mentioning really hurt: that punt Sproles let bounce for 57 yards. We had them backed up at the 15 after that kickoff and the defense held. The offense should have had great position to start the next drive, close to midfield, but instead they were backed up deep on their own side of the field. That punt was probably returnable, but at the very least Sproles should have been able to move up for a fair catch.
Seemed to me like the punt was a little off target from where Sproles expected it to go and he didn’t want to risk a fumble by trying to catch it if he couldn’t get there in time. With hindsight he probably should’ve just gone for it, but I don’t think I hold that one against him.
I remember the play, I think that the punt was short and Sproles didn’t want to be running full speed into the coverage to try and catch it. He probably thought is was going to bounce, and was hoping it would bounce in our favor, but it didn’t. I thought he could’ve scooped it up after the first bounce as well, but once again, can’t knock him for playing it safe.
It was the “fumble” that killed me!!! Kelce was laying on top of the ball as he was out of bounds! Should have been Eagles ball and we punt it away. Instead, Det gets the ball in FG territory already. BS!
I am more perturbed about the Stafford fumble that the offense could only turn into a field goal. Great teams maximize those opportunities. Changing 6 point swing into a 10 point swing is a game changer.
Brady dropped 28/40, 406 yards, 3 TDs on Cleveland and had 3 drops yesterday too. Yet all he says is he could have done better in a lot of areas as the first thing after the game.
Love the 15-1 bet I made he’ll be the MVP this year. He is in clear ‘FU mode’ about the suspension.
Just a couple weeks ago, some posters opined that it was now established that Belichick could make anyone look good over there and Brady was irrelevant.
That’s why that argument is so dumb. Brady is a very good QB. Belicheat is a very good coach. It’s not like one is amazing and the other is average or worse. They are both very good and combined, they are great.
Exactly! Both awesome, damn them!
That talk of needing the division to push the team is interesting to me. Reminds me of when the NFC West used to be a contest of which team could be the least terrible and then the Niners, Seahawks and Cardinals all seemed to get good at the same time. Kinda feels like the same thing is happening in the East this year.
I think it’s nonsense. To win the Superbowl, you need to get to the playoffs as healthy as possible, hopefully with some bye games. To accomplish this consistently, it’s good to be in a bad division. It also really helps to have an elite QB or at least one who’s playing like one (Eli/Flacco).
Can anyone explain the screwy call of Ineligible Receiver, tagged onto #98, Connor Barwin, who obviously wasn’t even on the field? Watching the game, after the penalty was announced, all I saw was the ref picking up the flag and with no explanation play resumed. I’m not being a wise-a**, I seriously don’t understand what went down.
Merril didn’t have an explanation as I listened, but I was curious if there was a 98 for the defense running to get ahead of the play and it confused the official. That play, the Sproles chop block, and the fumble not being called out of bounds all are baffling calls.
The letter from Dean Blandino to the Eagles in which he apologizes for several missed/wrong calls yesterday’s just been dropped in the mail.
All together now . . . :-)) . . . “I’m so happy.”
Hopefully Doug responds politely that he understands no one can go back and fix it, but we have some tough divisional games coming up.
A professional response to the public is the right thing. Talk more honestly and fire up the troops in the locker-room.
Blandino must look at film sometimes and know his guys screwed up.
that Sproles block ugh, cmon man. The guy used perfect technique and is so much smaller than the guy coming to barrel him over. I think the ref assumed in real time that it was physically impossible for that to happen. He just had leverage and was lower. Oh and as Brooks is letting go of his block the defender throws his hands up and they threw the flag. I was getting so irritated and the flags every other play at one point
That’s a reasonable explanation. I checked the Lions roster and there is a 98, Devin Taylor, DE, who was likely on the field at the time.
With this being the case, the chop block, fumble, and Brooks penalty each ascend a rung on the blown calls ladder.
To be clear, I have not actually seen the play, this was simply in my head try to make sense of the senseless.
Yeah, I was totally confused, but I think they mistakenly called it on a Det defensive player. Maybe it was a bad day to have that 4th shot if Jack Daniels for breakfast!
Tommy, glad to see you’re back in form. For a minute there yesterday, I was thinking maybe you floated away.
Think yesterday made it clear that of the definition isn’t hitting on all 4 cylinders this isn’t a very good team. In the second have the defense played one of the best games I’ve seen. But we couldn’t turn great field position into tds and then the offense had two turnovers.
Wentz I thought played better yesterday than I’d seen before, multiple reads generally good throws. Though the throws a lot of screens lots of comeback routes and crossers that I think are generally safe throws.
Throwing a pick on the last drive was bad but he’s a rookie and it was the first time he had to play with pressure. Honestly think the difference between this team and the Vikings is Sammy b. But that’s ok bc we have a young team and a franchise qb.
Thing change a lot w/out Schwartz.
Raise your hand if you’re old enough to remember the expression as, “Running on all 8 cylinders.”
These two comments are the first time I’ve ever heard the expression with a number in it. I assumed that was because engines can have pretty much any number of cylinders and the most important thing is just that none of them are broken…
Running on a properly functioning induction motor and fully charged lithium ion cells doesn’t have the same ring.
I don’t even know how many cylinders my hybrid has.
Hope I didn’t come across snarky. You’re right, often the expression is something like “running on all cylinders.”
Being of a certain vintage, I remember when all automobiles were eight cylinders. When the Japanese imports started to get a toe-hold on the market, in the mid-1970s, I was working at an auto-parts store in Philly. The older guys used to laugh at the idea anyone would want to drive a car with such small engines. I remember the jokes about Honda, and who would want a car made by a company who manufactured motorcycles.
They just lost to a mediocre and injury-riddled team.
I’m not sure if that’s a fair way to describe the refs.
I agree, not fair to the mediocre and injury-riddled. Refs were much worse.
Cute, and I agree, but does a top-tier team lose to a bottom tier-team because of refs?
you saw it live
OK. I guess I’m not sure we’re a top-tier team.
Carson can only throw to the recievrs he’s got.
…and oposing CBs.
Too soon?
Ouch. Yes toooooooo sooon.. that toss was a sweet dart… too bad it wasnt to DeSean J !!!
Lions D was onto the screen game big time. It wasnt really working too well for a lot of the game. That facemask call was brutal when he was already in the grasp and going down
tons of stupid penalties negated a lot of good plays (both on offense and defense). frustrating.
I agree completely with your points. Definitely not the worst end of game letdown we’ve seen. It would’ve been nice to see if Carson could come through in the clutch, but hopefully he learned his rookie lesson and won’t try to play hero ball when it’s not necessary.
I’m ok with getting the 0’s off of our back. Now we can just be a good team fighting through the season and not have the pressure to be perfect. We had a fumble, Carson threw a pick and we picked up a non division loss. Now we can regroup and see what this team is really made of against 3 quality opponents and the redskins (Djax is done burning is now that Chip’s gone right?).
Yeah I’m talking myself into the positives…
The loss hurts, but really we had a bad half and couldn’t overcome a few mistakes in the second half. This team isn’t good enough to take a half off, but is good enough to climb back into things if everything’s not perfect.
Losing can be good, just don’t make it a habit. On to Washington.
It was a pick but it was a beauty of a throw .. 40 yds in the air. . To a lousy reviever..
it was, he wasnt doing the usual over throw and see what happens. He at least tried to lay it in there
it was not a good throw. Ags wasn’t in a great position to make a play on it or bat it down. Think we’re only down on Ags b/c we like Wentz and don’t like Ags.
I know to go for it and try to lay it in there is more ballsy than the standard overthrow attempt is what I mean. Wasnt perfect by any means and led to and INT but it was really close
Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous to blame Nelson on that.
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If the same exact play happened with Chase Daniels throwing that pass to Jordan Mathews, No one would be blaming the WR, and everyone would be ripping chase.
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But because Wentz is the lovable golden boy, people are putting that on Nelson, when in reality it was not a great throw, the pass needed to be thrown inside so Nelson can box the CB out, but Wentz threw it outside, and a case could be made that the refs should have called pass interference on the Detroit corner.
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Blame Wentz, Blame Agholar, blame whoever the hell we want, nothing changes the fact that the Eagles have one of the brightest futures in the NFL and will be a legit threat to win this division..
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The young much maligned WRs are looking better and better with each week
DGB is going to be a beast in the last half of the season and next year i think.
Im so excited about his future!
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Every week he is getting better and better and he keeps showing the ability to break tackles when cormers try to bring him down. DGB has a young stud of a QB to grow with, and I think this coaching staff is going to grow him into a monster WR
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Jordan Mathews and Wentz connected on some HUGE passes on 3rd and long in crucial situations where we had to overcome penalties on second down. Wentz made some Brilliant passes to Jordan in some really tight windows
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Go Figure, this coaching staff may actually salvage the Josh Huff draft pick. They are putting him in positions to weaponize his talents. Hopefully they can also develop his game and improve his skillset so we can eventually use him in other ways, but for now at least they are taking advantage of the things he can actually do well finding ways for him to contribute
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Nelson DIDNT have a big game, but he didn’t have a bad game either. He made a couple important catches, and also gets credit for blocking well in a few of our successful screens
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But im really Jacked up about DGB’s future. For a team that allegedly had NO WEAPONS, i couldn’t be any more excited about having DGB/Jordan to grow with Wentz. bêtween Agholars potential And DGB’s Ceiling, I like our chances of at least 1 of those two developing into a potent starting WR opposite of JMat for years to come
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I would have liked to see us send DGB deep instead of Nelson on that INT. DGB’s height could have made up for the less than perfect throw, or his height could have forced a pass interference penalty on Slay
I hope you’re right. I keep waiting for him to explode. The dropped td last night didn’t help my optimism.
Not a drop, need a better pass. but he’s DGB not Dez Bryant.
Fair enough, the pass could have been better. But the wr I have been hoping DGB would be for us would have held onto the ball. Next time, next time.
I don’t dislike Ags, but it seems a bit like Huff he’s never going to live up to his potential. Ags also reminds me of Pinkston a bit too much, struggles to be physical.
yeah Ive just resigned myself to believe that none of these WRs are winning any 50/50 balls. Let alone actually making a play for the QB. Only guy that can and maybe will is DGB with more opportunities.
How could you not be excited about jordan Mathews? Going to have a beast of a season even in an offense that spreads the ball around
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I think ODB is Probably the ONLY WR in the division I would trade Jordan Mathews for today
DEsean is on an expiring deal
Garcon is declining
Injuries are piling up for DEZ as he is getting older
I’ll smack anyone who says they would trade Jordan today for Sterling Shepard
Victor Cruz is a shell of himself..
Doctson might become really good, but we haven’t seen ANYTHNG from him yet
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Jordan works too hard to have already realized his full potential, I hate fans who take that youmg stud for Granted. jordan Mathews deserves better
Who said I wasnt excited about the WRs. I love JMatt but I still dont see him as the type of WR to go win a ball. Same with Ags and Im not even down on him like some. He is more of the burner type so I get looking his way deep. Jordans hands still arent great no matter how much work he puts in. To me thats more of a natural ability than a learned ability. He does everything else really well though and is still on the way up. Nobody wants to be wrong about his hands more than me. I think it takes a special kind of WR to win a ton of 50/50 balls or even more than most so its sort of elite company and depends on the quality of the QB/team sometimes whether they are catching in space or covered at times.
Matthews didnt get nearly enough targets yesterday
yeah he’s killing me in fantasy. Might have to bench him for Sammy Coates.
No one will dispute that, but that can’t be held against jordan, when Jordan and Wentz bailed us out a few time when penalties put us into a hole. Wentz threw some amazing balls in really tight windows while Jordan made some really big catches
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I certainly want to see him Targetted more. He should get at least 8 targets each week, but whenever we needed a big 3rd down catch, Wentz went Right to Jordan and he delivered
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Thankfully we finally have a HC that doesn’t make Jordan spend all his time in the slot taking Jordan out of the game when we were in two WR sets..
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Pederson is making a lot of players look better than they did under chip.. With the exception of Kendricks who imploded, can anyone think of any playërs who were better under chip then they are under Pederson?
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It’s really exciting to see what this team is looking like so early in our transition to the new coaching staff. The new schemes, and overall a completely different way of playing football than what chip asked of them… We are counting on a lot of young, still developing players in important positions, while our veterans are still getting more and more comfortable in these new schemes. Im so excited to see how much more this team will grow over the course of the season. And I really look forward to our young WRs FINALLY getting to play with the same QB from one year to the next. We have some nice WR talent, who are allegedly an unselfish unit that work well and support each other, and they will get to grow with what looks like a really special young QB
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DGB must be In heaven since we sprung him out of Tennessee… Those Morons were going to sit him Burried on the bench, if not cut him. He is an extremely Talented young weapon whos role is going to continue to grow as the season unfolds
“Thankfully we finally have a HC that doesn’t make Jordan spend all his
time in the slot taking Jordan out of the game when we were in two WR
sets.”
The slot receiver is the primary receiver in CKs offense, see J. Kerley in SF.
Doest mean you have to take the slot Reciever out of the game in two WR sets, especially a guy like Jordan capable of playing outside and the slot
No its not on Jordan. its on the staff and the QB
He’s got 3 years left here happy to give him all that tie to figured it out.
Ags wasn’t in position because Slay pushed him out of position as the ball was coming down! If it was the other way around, they call OPI on Ags every time! The refs from that game need to be fired or go ref HS football because that is unacceptable. The blatant missed calls against Det were egregious!
It probably should have been to the other shoulder, but there was a safety to that side if I recall, so I don’t know if it was a bad throw or thrown on purpose and he and Agholor just weren’t on the same page.
Wentz said afterward he needed to make the throw to the other side. I think Wentz tried to make a play instead of taking what the offense gave him. But he’s smart i don’t think he’ll continue to make the same mistakes.
Agreeeee
Refs were a disgrace yesterday. It’s one thing when the refs suck but they are sucking for both teams, but yesterday’s refs werent even close to calling a “fair” game..Something like 13 penalties called on the Eagles but only 2 penalties on the Lions? Disgraceful especially when killed Us with very costly penalties that were complete bullshit like the sproles block which was laughably called an “illegal chop block” or a holding call on Brooks where his hands were clearly positioned legally inside the shoûlder pads, but the defender threw his hands up as if he was being held and the Donkey refs threw the flag…
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The refs put Wentz in so many bad positions, and he was so good that he managed to play through and overcome most of with surgically accurate Lasers he was throwing on 3rd and Long to bail us out
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While we were called For everything, even penalties that didn’t really happen, the Refs helped the Lions get out to those 14 point lead by blatantly ignoring Barwin getting held, and Curry was friggin tackled. both of those no calls came when the defenders held Our defensive ends illegal until Theo Riddick could run outside and turn the corner..on a play where the RB is running outside, watching that the DEs DONT get held is like the Refs most important job because that battle between the DE and OT is the biggest reason a run to the outside will succed or not, so too hold our DEs on runs to the outside is just disgraceful, especially when you are continuosly calling Ticky Tac shit on us..
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For the way the Refs were calling that game, it was so satisfying to see Wentz lead the Eagles to a win, overcoming all the bad calls and the lions jumping out to 14 pt lead… It was so satisfying and exciting to see Wentz lead us to a win, and then it was ripped away from us by Ryan Mathews… Then again, the way the refs were calling that game, even if Ryan DIDNT fumble, or Wentz didn’t get intercepted, who knows what back breaking call the refs would have made to Fuck us and steal that win… That loss was demoralizing
https://twitter.com/seanjtaylor/status/785276716327530496
This is outrageous!
And we still should have won this game, maybe I am just the simple cock-eyed optimist like Billy Mumphrey (props to whoever gets that reference.) But I see the Eagles as a good team who will learn from this and not let it happen again. The NFL did everything they could to help the desperate Lions win a home game and we let them have it. But lets not get too discouraged over this L.
The way we lost that game really hurt me. But honestly I feel even more excited about Wentz and this team coming out of such gut punch of a loss…. What I saw yesterday for me reinforced our excitement from the first 3 games. It’s not a loss where I come away from the game wondering if maybe we ARENT as good as we thought.
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If Ryan Mathews doesn’t fumble that ball, there is a very good chance this city would have exploded in Euphoria today talking about how Wemtz and the Defense showed so much resiliency, overcoming so much adversity, and some more unfair bullshit from the refs pulling off a come from Behind win on the road against a desperate team
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We were always going to encounter plenty of adversity no matter who is on our schedule this year, and for what was this teams first big test on how we would handle adversity, there is so much more to be excited, than upset about
The penalties suck – but doesn’t change the fact that we played poorly. Lions are so bad that we could have still won except for a couple of bad mistakes.
Sitting Bradham for a half …. was that a mistake? I guess a double edged sword?
I mean there has to be accountability for ones actions. Taking one LB off for a half should not have made the difference in a game. At least in my view. I mean it hurts but we were always going to lose games this year. But yes it hurts really bad the way we lost but I liked the way Carson brought this team back and took the lead. He showed a ton in this game.
If this isn’t Kendricks last year in philly, one thing is crystal clear…. From now on Kendricks needs to be inactive any time we play the Lions… Theo Riddick made Kendricks HIS BITCH last year and it was a lot of the same yesterday.
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I don’t care who Kendricks ends up playing for, whether it’s the Eagles or someone else, he CLEARLY needs to be on the bench any time Theo Riddick is on the field
He needs to be on the bench unless one of the starters gets hurt.
The Cameras caught Phillip Rivers saying “We are the bad news Bears” yesterday.
Can we talk about Matthews? Does it seem like he’s not really part of the offense?
Targets are amazingly spread out between pass catchers. Think only incompletions except one were balls to NA. 2 catches for 7 targets (most targets on the team).
Last drive of the game why are we passing to NA at all? Matthews / Ertz, Sproles, all people i’d pick above Nelson probably add DGB / Burton to that list. Should be scheming to get those guys open.
Matthews should be getting 10 targets a game. There is no reason why he should be forgotten for large stretches of the game. He was even open early on the INT to Ags.
And DGB needs more TGTs too.
I like spreading the ball around but not at the expense of ignoring your best WRs or Ertz.
How many times a game are we going to threw screens to Josh Huff each game?
The Bad News is that we lost to a team we could/should have beaten and that the Vikings game is going to be a really tough match up.
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The Good news is that a couple of our upcoming opponents Eagles fans penciled in as losses, are starting to look much more manageable than they did when the schedule was released, specifically the Bengals and the Ravens. The packers didn’t look like an unstoppable Force playing in Lambeau but that will never be an easy game
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Who could have guessed that a quarter into the season we would be feeling so fortunate to have doug Pederson instead of Adam Gase, McAdoo or Hue Jackson?
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There is so much to be excited about..
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If Bradham wasn’t a donkey off the field, I’d be pounding the table to extend him now before the deadline to extend players passes. we should take Kendricks contract and just give it to Bradham
Put some anti dumbass language in his deal and then extend him.
Perfect!!!!
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If Bradham or Hicks were to get hurt, I think I’m at the point where I try Najee Goode in our Nickel instead of Kendricks
He’s already under contract next year, no need to rush to extend him.
Mrs. PPK might wish she had put such a clause in our marriage contract.
so true about the coaches. Eli was horrible last night
You starting to lose the faith with Kendricks?
Ya think?
I don’t know.
You were the last holdout for being patient, Kendricks will be fine, he just had a pair of down years. If he has lost you, he doesn’t have anyone supporting him.
Some thoughts on yesterday:
1. The defense is not invincible, but made some nice adjustments at half.
2. LB corps looks incredibly thin if we lose Bradham for any time or any injuries.
3. I admire the way Wentz approaches the game; that being said, we had plenty of time to get into FG range. Going deep with an inconsistent wideout against their best corner on the first play– probably not the best idea unless he has more than a half-step.
4. I would like to see DGB more often. Contrary to the rest of the group, I don’t think that “drop” was so much on him as being low on the ball placement.
5. The toss to Mathews was not only a horrible play, but a horrible play call. Everyone knew with a singleback set that he was getting the ball. The Zone read with Wentz and Sproles had been working all game. And those two (so far) do not have a history of fumbling concerns.
6. We still should have won this game playing against the Lions and the refs. I hate to be the conspiracy theorist but it is absolutely ridiculous how week in and week out we have so many blown calls against our favor.
7. Losing Lane is really going to hurt.
8. Dallas is good no matter how much we don’t want to admit it. We both have flaws, but their run game really allows them to control the clock. Also, they got their QB of the future as well, it seems. (I do think Wentz is still doing more with way less at his disposal)
9. Kendricks… my God. What happened to you!? He went from playmaker to the main reason we don’t get stops on very important plays. He needs to hire an assasin for Riddick, because Kendricks will probably miss the shot if he tries it himself. Also his lack of effort is very concerning.
10 Couldn’t use our favorable TE matchups on their LBs because our penalties and such, but we should have used it the last drive.
11. Minus the last play, Agholor played a decent game.
12. Huff did OK, I’m still not his biggest fan.
13. The silent count that they harped on the entire week was poorly timed.
14. VERY disappointing loss given what our schedule looks like going forward. I like the resiliency, but we have to win the “easy” ones.
15. We need corner(s): Jury out on Mills/McKelvin still, but Carrol looks awful, and gets called everytime.
16. We have a (very) good team, but injuries could hurt us more than anyone else.
17. Fuck you Ryan Mathews!
The refs were so bad yesterday against us, that even if Mathews never fumbles, or Wentz never throws that INT… Who knows how else the Refs would have found a way to fuck us out of that game.
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I won’t blame the Refs for the loss, because we almost overcame their bullshit which would have made the win that much sweeter, but NO ONE can dare claim we got a fair deal yesterday. I won’t say that the Refs were consciously against us, but watching that game, on a few Occassions I thought to myself that the Refs weren’t going to let us win that game
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I can ONLY Imagine the Euphoria we would be experiencing all week if the Eagles find a way to win that game.. Gut wrenching loss, but there was so much to like about how this team responded to whatever adversity we were presented with. I was almost in disbelief at some of the BIGTIME 3rd and Long throws Wentz made
Not a bad post. Don’t make the tin foil hat too thick though. Refs back bad calls in our favor every week too.
Not 14 – 2 in our favor tho…
That DGB drop was PI.
I’ve pretty much given up on getting ANY PI calls since that play on Agholor a few weeks ago. Our receivers get grabbed or arm-barred every freaking time. Even the last play on NA, the corner clearly pushed off to separate himself
I was yelling at my TV when Slay pushed off of Agholor! If Agholor was the one to push off, he would’ve been called in a heartbeat, but the refs just didn’t know how to call a penalty against Det apparently.
That push off was a pro move, never gets called. He also had an equal shot at the ball at the time. The end zone PI frequently gets called, esp in the end zone and esp given how many ticky tacks they had already called on the Eagles.
For all of the early season accolades that Roseman got on this offseason, the decision to trade Murray and keep Mathews looks like a real mistake. Watching some stretches of the Titans’ game today at lunch and Murray looks an awful lot like he did 2 years ago in Dallas.
Also makes me wonder though how badly he was hurt last year & just how healthy he ever was after that hamstring injury in camp that cost him a fair amount of time.
Murray was tainted in Philly. Jimmy K wrote a ton of articles about how he’s done – wonder if he’s revised that opinion.
Also it was about $$. But agree it’s a little frustrating to see success of him, Mccoy and even Carlos Hyde. Ryan Mathews passes the eye test but he’s not running as well in this system as he was last year, ypc isn’t great.
He’s already banged up & I didn’t see him making sharp cuts yesterday a few times.
Wonder how healthy that ankle is & if it wasn’t a mistake to let Mathews rest another week while going with Barner and Smallwood again instead.
I would also LOVE to have Murray for those 2 games vs Boys. He was banged up and really ineffective in that 1st game but played his best game of the game in the rematch in Dallas.
Murray strikes me as the kind of guy who would be extra hyped to play Dallas this year to show up Jones as well as to show he is still better than Elliott.
“Also it was about $$”
Yes sir!
Hindsight is a pain in the butt isn’t it. But with that said, we might draft another workhorse in the draft so the duo of Wentz and _________ will be a good pair for years.
that guy is going to be awesome.
I had thought that was one of the solidest decisions too.
I think what we’re also seeing is how bad Chip Kelly was in using his personnel.
The other thing watching the game yesterday was I thought Kelce had another ‘ok’ game but that Brooks was the one OL who was a bit lacking.
Brooks was supposed to be a good running block OL but I haven’t seen that at all & he has been their weakest overall OL through the first 4 games.
It doesn’t look like Brooks is going to be an All-Pro anytime soon, that’s for sure. But I look at him like Runyon when he was brought in here…a younger guy on the rise who sures up a need and provides stability for the next 5 years. He is a massive human being and just turned 27 a few months ago. He has time to learn yet.
Sure looks weak out there
#49ers placed CB Chris Davis on IR. Signed CB JaCorey Shepherd.
Lol
Is this is a 2nd half team? Sure looks like that given how they are burying teams in the 3rd quarter.
Scoring breakdown
1st Qtr: Eagles 13, Opponents 14
2nd Qtr: Eagles 32, Opponents 24
3rd Qtr: Eagles 53, Opponents 13
4th Qtr: Eagles 17, Opponents 10
The defense is crazy. During the CK regime we were lucky to help people under 24.
In 4 games, our much maligned Cornerbacks only gave up 1 passing TD to a WR (Marvin Jones)
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We know our front 7 is the real deal, and we know our safeties are fantastic savages. If the corners can continue to hold up and keep WR from getting into the ENDZONE too often, we should have a chance to win a lot of games
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All the money the Giants paid for a dream team (LOL) Defense, they got NO Pressure on Rogers, and they finally came up with their first turnover of the season, which is pretty pathetic considering its 5 games into the season
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Yesterday gave us a refresher course in the importance of ball security. We when DONT turn the ball over we are tough to beat, and if we turn the ball over we are likely to lose….. Shame that our veteran first round runningback picked the worst time possible to commit our first turnover
Well the Colts and whoever play San Diego are second half teams too lol
Losing sucks when we suck.
Its tolerable when we are hopeful that we are good.
HOPE
After the game, I was more in tune with Tommy’s points: not that bad, things are pretty good, could be worse. The more the loss settles in, the more pissed off I get: winnable game, terrible refs, turnovers and penalties, and Wentz didn’t pull off his first 4th quarter comeback.
More hrndricks, agholar, huff & rb mathews ahead isn’t any comfort
we’d all feel better if the cowboys and skins lost too.
like they were supposed to
Yea but if u had said in August we would be 3-1 heading to WSH we all would have been happy
Pederson is getting pretty good at these press conferences. Does a great job of Belichecking (making a point without saying the words) when they ask him about Matthews fumble being out of bounds. You can tell he’s pissed, but he never actually takes the bait. I would be pissed too.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4fe29bdcc93f461308d41d15910031b4839870546e8e0e072a47b39e9a7f38a3.png
I think most of us would agree that the ball was definitely touched by Kelce but that there was probably not enough concrete video evidence to overturn it.
Kelce can’t do anything right this year.
I agree, but your comment is what bugs me about replay. “I think we can all agree that the ball was definitely touched by Kelce “. Okay then there is your call. I don’t understand the fascination with the call on the field. As if some incompetent fool ref watching at full speed is going to make a better decision than using slow mo and stop action replay. Apply some common sense (i.e. We can agree the ball touched Kelce) and make the call – what is the point of sticking with the “guess on the field” over the replay?
I see the ball between his legs. I no indentation or shadow on his leg that would indicate that they are touching. The angle is not such where space between the ball and his leg or the lack thereof conclusively proves whether they are touching. Given that shot, I agree that most likely, it is touching and the ref blew the (extremely fast and chaotic and once-in-a-career) call.
However, these are the rules the replay official uses, so in that context, it was correct.
The reason the rules are so conservative is that sport, especially football, is conservative and distrustful of change or innovation. Eagles fans are disagreeing, not always civilly, about this call, so I can understand the league not wanting to open up even more vagueness and judgment calls in the replay process.
Agree with your points. It just irks me that if they would have called it the other way the would have rolled out this picture as proof and said the call is confirmed. They want it both ways. It either is or it isn’t – just call what you see on the replay because the call on the field holds no special significance.
And it’s touching – while I have no experience with the space between a fat mans thighs, I have had a few unfortunate opportunities to examine that space on the opposite sex and there isn’t a footballs worth of room.
Well, unless you were hanging with a 6’1″, 310 lb lady, are you sure you’ve got all the dimensions figured out? 🙂
The NFL lately within the past years has in no way been shy about change.
I guess I’m in the mimority then
I was bummed watching the game yesterday. Then I got freaked out watching the debate last night.
This morning I woke up and reminded myself that we will have games like this over Wentz’s next 15 years leading the team and I was happy. Then I saw this tweet about the debate last night and all was right in the world again.
https://twitter.com/lisatozzi/status/785329974282715138
Thank you
What really sucks about the loss, is that INT happened on the first play of the drive which cheated us out of seeing what our golden boy, coach and the offense could do with 1:40 left and the game hanging in the balance.
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now it becomes imperative that we get a win against the skins because the last thing we want is going into the vikings game on a two game losing streak
Vikings game will tell us a lot about the offense.
sometimes i click on here and hope to see the heading “Ags has been cut” or traded
First indeed
I think we run too many WR screens. Also, Curry should be starting over Barwin.
meh
Everyones first step is slow compared to Curry. I would play Barwin at LB before sending Kendricks out there again
Maybe Curry is playing more plays than we think, but he’s too fast for the guys writing the down the snap counts to see him.
Wentz is on pace for over 4000 yards, 28 tds and 4 ints… Foles second coming, minus the lack of consistent productivity?
Too soon.
Never too soon for a diehard Iggles fan
Got this off philly.com .. good insight
Sofa king many ads i cant remember who the writer was..
Ill try to go back to find out ..
Five of Carson Wentz’s eight incompletions were passes to Nelson Agholor, who was targeted seven times and came up with the ball twice. Wentz didn’t miss connections with any of his other receivers more than once
He has to improve. He’s throwing him the ball to get him involved and give him some confidence. If this happens much more this season, he’s not long for this team.
Agree but we all have hoped for hope too long and the obvious is only becoming more obvious
Thanks Chip.
they basically have gone 1/5 on major WR decisions the last couple of years
cutting Desean
letting Maclin go
Huff in 3rd
Agholor in 1st
could throw in not cutting racist riley cooper as well
only Mathews in the 2nd worked out for them
and Beckham, 2/6
He’s gotta go
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丙申年(猴)九月初十 2016-10-10
Not to pump anyone else up here, but on BGN someone wrote an article about the Refs in the Eagles game yesterday. Apparently the discrepancy of penalties was so large the probability of it happening was like 1 in 10000. I think it’s worth talking about when you get into those kind of rare air numbers.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/10/10/13233346/follow-the-money-officiating-and-its-impact-on-the-game
Not exactly the Gambler’s fallacy, but it might as well be. If there’s a possibility of something happening, the fact that it’s a slim chance shouldn’t be seen as a reason it can’t. You wouldn’t tell a lottery winner that they didn’t win just because the odds are against them.
That said, those refs should have had their tires slashed.
First, I would like to know where they’re getting those probabilities. For example, first-page google shows a Seahawks Cardinals game where the discrepancy was 11 to 1. So this wasn’t exactly unheard of. Secondly, agreeing with you, just because rare events happen doesn’t mean they were due to the result of conspiracies.
Between 2000 and 2012 there were 4256 games and 40 had a disparity of 12 penalties or more.
So, not 1 in 10000 as cited, more like 1 in 100.
A disparity this extreme would happen about 2.5 times a year in the regular season.
No one is saying it can’t. What I am saying is it deserves to be looked into a little bit more than your average officiating gripe.
Panthers, 1-4 – crazy how the season is playing out for them. Aguoya hits a game winner missing two. Derek Anderson shows why the backup is the best job in sports…until the starter goes down.
Kendricks is starting to remind me of a slightly better version of Ernie Simms.
“Shark in the water” as we like (hate) to say.
Blind Shark.
Is it safe to say that Ertz will never have that breakout season yet?
This injury will be a minor footnote to a Hall of Fame career.
He’s going to surpass Chad Lewis, LJ Smith and maybe even Keith Jackson on the Eagles receiving yardage list this year, in his fourth season. Exactly what standard are we trying to live up to here?
Maybe good TEs in the modern NFL?
Maybe set the standards to the TEs in his era for one?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&hint=Zach+Ertz&player_id1_select=Zach+Ertz&player_id1=ErtzZa00&hint=Jordan+Reed&player_id2_select=Jordan+Reed&player_id2=ReedJo02&hint=Tyler+Eifert&player_id3_select=Tyler+Eifert&player_id3=EifeTy00&hint=Travis+Kelce&player_id4_select=Travis+Kelce&player_id4=KelcTr00&hint=Coby+Fleener&player_id5_select=Coby+Fleener&player_id5=FleeCo00&hint=Kyle+Rudolph&player_id6_select=Kyle+Rudolph&player_id6=RudoKy00
So he’s still not that good.
What a bunch of homer crap this is