WR Update

Posted: October 27th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 215 Comments »

Will it be Alshon Jeffrey or Torrey Smith? Or is there another receiver on the market that the Eagles will go get?

Is the man crazy?

Pederson is a former NFL player. He knows what it is like to struggle. He also knows the importance of a coach supporting his players and sticking with them through tough times. There was no way Pederson was going to announce that he wasn’t happy with his guys  and a move had to be made.

The fact he was so definitive leads me to believe the Eagles probably aren’t looking around aggressively. Howie Roseman loves to make moves, but I don’t see him going hard after a receiver. If the right deal was available, that’s different. I just don’t think he wants to pay a steep price. Jeffrey is really good, but his contract status complicates things. Smith is a solid starter, but you don’t want to give up much of a pick for him and his contract is not pretty. SF overpaid when they signed him.

I think Pederson genuinely believes the current Eagles can get the job done. Jordan Matthews is a good player. Josh Huff is a good role player. DGB has good potential and is coming along. He is young and I’m sure still has some struggles with learning the whole playbook. Nelson Agholor is the X-factor. Agholor makes some impressive plays. He had the catch against the Lions where he went up and caught the ball. That came on a crossing route and was a really tough grab. I thought that might get his confidence going. He had the long TD in the opener that was really impressive.

Agholor has also had his share of bad moments. One of the problems is that it seems he and Carson Wentz aren’t always on the same page. Their timing isn’t good. They don’t always see things the same way. That kind of stuff can be worked on. There is room for improvement.

There is no question that Agholor has been a bust to this point. That said, the Eagles have seen him make tough grabs. They have seen him catch the ball down the field. They see potential. I think they want to give him more time before pulling the plug. Yes, he was a Chip Kelly pick, but the rest of the NFL also had Agholor rated highly. This wasn’t some Jon Harris mid-round guy that Chip created out of a delusional fantasy. Agholor was a star at USC. Maybe he will turn out to be the WR version of Matt Barkley and the Eagles will get rid of him in the offseason. I just think they want to make sure that’s the right thing to do before moving on.


The passing game has struggled recently, but this is about more than just WRs. Lane Johnson’s absence really hurt the team against the Skins. The OL was better last week, but you know the pressure from the Skins game had to affect which plays were called and quickly Carson Wentz got rid of the ball.

The Eagles fell behind 21-0 to the Lions and 14-0 to the Skins. That put them at a disadvantage in terms of how to run the offense.

The Vikings have shut down every passing game this season so the Eagles struggling is no surprise.

There is no question that the Eagles must get back to throwing the ball better, in terms of protection, route running, catching the ball and QB play. They can’t always count on favorable circumstances and mediocre defenses to help them out. Just don’t miss the point that a good passing game involves a lot of factors. It is easy to pick on WR play, but that’s only part of the situation.


215 Comments on “WR Update”

  1. 1 WR Update - said at 11:30 PM on October 27th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor Will it be Alshon Jeffrey or Torrey Smith? Or is there another receiver on the market that the […]

  2. 2 daveH said at 12:09 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Searched for Phi Eagles game on TWC snd it only shows the game vs Giants in 2 weeks … searched Dallas and there it is .. wtf twc !!!
    That is a new level of lameness idiocy lousy technology for TWC

  3. 3 ProbablyDrunk said at 1:58 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Do you expect much less from a major US cable company nowadays. They come out with new shit strictly for appearances

  4. 4 daveH said at 6:23 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Yeah i once again faked out by the promises of tech-meowl-ogy

  5. 5 Greg Tulino said at 12:48 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    I think Carson will have time to throw this week and the WR’s will make some plays. This week is all about stopping the run. We need to bring a safety into the box ( Jenkins) and pretty much sell out to stop the run on 1st and 2nd downs in hopes of creating 3rd & 5 + yards. I think we have to make Dak beat us with his arm and if I am picking my poison I choose to have them beat us thru the air over the run game. Problem is other teams have tried this and the Cowboys O-line has imposed their will on them. Our D-line has had some success vs. this O-line before which gives me some hope that we can get enough stops to win a tight game. The Dallas Defense can be exposed. It would be nice to give them a dose of their own medicine and execute several long time consuming drives ending in TD’s.

  6. 6 Dominik said at 3:25 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    I’m with you, re: your strategy of selling out to stop the run. It REALLY sucks that Bennie will miss this game. He’s very good against the run and that will be vital on Sunday.

  7. 7 ProbablyDrunk said at 2:03 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I love Bennie but have a lot of faith in Beau at the same time

  8. 8 Anders said at 5:14 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Two things the Eagles need to do is get some key stops on defense and quick stops, so that the Dallas OL cant pound them.
    On offense we need some good long efficient drives and we need to come away with TDs not FGs

  9. 9 ProbablyDrunk said at 2:02 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I don’t like the thought of selling out. Selling out on the run is the advantage good run teams have over defenses, so let’s not give them that advantage right away. I don’t know how you feel about Dak but I think he’s more than capable of putting up numbers on a defense stacking the box.

    Let’s see what our d-line can do on its own. They matched up well vs Dallas in the last couple years. If they start running vs our base easily we’ve seen Schwartz adjust. I’m worried about getting pressure once we actually have them backed up. Prescott without pressure is whatever he wants to be. Dak Prescott with pressure is a whole different QB

  10. 10 Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran said at 1:08 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    So far Agholor have averaged about 2 catches per game for about 25 yards per game, which is nearly identical to what Riley Cooper averaged – and at least Cooper could block!

  11. 11 增达任务网 said at 4:26 AM on October 28th, 2016:


  12. 12 RC5000 said at 5:23 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Deep threat at WR John Ross Washington 5-11, 190 4.35 40 estimated. He might be gone by Minnesota pick and this isn’t supposed to be a real strong WR draft. And obviously we have a CB need and maybe OT need.

    20. John Ross, WR, Washington, rJr, 5-11, 190, 4.35
    With all due respect to sophomore quarterback Jake Browning , Ross is the fireplug sparking Washington’s high-octane offense (and special teams). A DeSean Jackson clone with blinding straight-line speed, agility and versatility as both a receiver and returner, he is only a clean medical grade away from becoming the first receiver from Washington to earn a first-round pick since Reggie Williams in 2004.


  13. 13 Anders said at 5:28 AM on October 28th, 2016:


    A good quick break down of some of the top deep treats next draft

    I rather go OL, DB, LB, DL, RB then keep pounding high end resources into the WR position.

  14. 14 Media Mike said at 5:53 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Barbre and Kelce and Peters are all in need of replacement sooner rather than later. Seumalo can only play one spot out of guard/center and Big V can hopefully improve enough to get Lane to play LT, but Lane could be gone forever if he gets in trouble playing pop that pill with him MMA buddies one more time.

    100% agree on O-line.

  15. 15 Anders said at 6:01 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    My little hope is that Kelce isnt done and Seumalo can take over LG and we have the following next year:

    Lane-Seumalo-Kelce-Brooks-Big V

  16. 16 Dave said at 6:27 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    I think Seumalo will be the starting center next season.

  17. 17 RC5000 said at 8:52 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Mason Cole has played LT and now is playing center.

  18. 18 D3FB said at 9:54 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Resign Bennie
    Sign Robert Alford and Brian Winters to reasonable mid level deals

    1- Mike McGlinchey OT, Notre Dame
    2- Jourdan Lewis, CB Michigan
    3- Samjie Perine, RB, Oklahoma
    4- Ejuan Price, DE PItt
    4- Chidobe Awuzie, CB Colorado
    5- Nick DeLuca, LB NDSU
    6- Kyle Kalis, C Michigan
    7- Michael Rector, WR, Stanford

    Call me Howie

  19. 19 GermanEagle said at 11:45 AM on October 28th, 2016:


  20. 20 RC5000 said at 8:54 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I hope you’re better than Howie at drafting.

    McGlinchey will probably return to Notre Dame acccording to long time TATE poster ndirish. Not that it’s a lock but he knows McGlinchey and says they’ve neve discussed him declaring for draft. Then after that McGlinchey said he’s going back to ND. Who knows but I’d look at other altrenatives too.

    I don’t know if he’d last anyway.

    I like Lewis and Perine.

    Why is Awuzie a 4th? PFF raves about him.

  21. 21 D3FB said at 1:26 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    I know McGlinchey has said he wants to go back but things are getting weird at ND, and he’s easily the second or third best tackle in a weak class. Would he last? Maybe. He’s been up and down and has the talent to be top ten and it’s a premium position, but it’s October so I’ll stick with “close enough” it wasn’t Myles Garret.

    I haven’t watched Awuzie beyond a quick highlight tape and CBS has him in the fourth. Again we’re probably 3 months from having a solid feel for ranges.

    Ideally they’d find a stud at WR but I settled for fixing CB, building a bully OL, a RB who can push the pile and then just adding a couple guys who can take the top off. Even if all they do is get 3 pre set plays a game where we design shots it will help back defenses the fuck off and help the offense be more efficent. A star WR would be nice but I’ll settle for another couple of complimentary pieces to help the offense function. Baby steps. Build on strengths for now.

  22. 22 Media Mike said at 4:06 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Round 2 Pick 5 (NYJ): Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 26: Dorian Johnson, OG, Pittsburgh (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 5 (NYJ): Steven Taylor, OLB, Houston (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 26: J.J. Dielman, OT, Utah (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 26: Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida (A)
    Round 5 Pick 26: Julie’n Davenport, OT, Bucknell (B)
    Round 6 Pick 25: Jeremy Cutrer, CB, Middle Tennessee (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 26: Speedy Noil, WR, Texas A&M (A)

  23. 23 GermanEagle said at 7:58 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Please no more WR in the first round.

  24. 24 P_P_K said at 8:46 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    You got a problem with 1st round wrs?
    signed, The Freddie Mitchell Fan Club

  25. 25 BobSmith77 said at 10:21 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Fred Ex’s Championship belt is likely in some random storage closet at the training facility


  26. 26 ChoTime said at 11:15 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Damn Pinkston was a _ussy.

  27. 27 P_P_K said at 11:24 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    I wonder if McNabb ever thought to himself, “Thrash and Pinkston? Crap.”

  28. 28 ChoTime said at 11:37 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Are you serious? I have no doubt he thought of them as “Trash and Stinkston” just like us. (jk)

  29. 29 P_P_K said at 12:06 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I’m still pissed at Reid because he wasted McNabb’s talent by not getting him quality receivers. I’m also pissed because I wonder how many SBs we would have enjoyed.

  30. 30 BobSmith77 said at 1:22 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Yeah he kind of alluded after he retired. McNabb might have been a HOF if the quality of skill players around him wasn’t so bad.

    1 year of TO and Westbrook with Lewis & Celek fitting the more ‘solid’ category.

  31. 31 BobSmith77 said at 1:20 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I always though a lot of that was simply his build. We just just a very wiry guy who never added any bulk or strength to his frame.

    Thing that was frustrating was that he never really had great jumping ability though or knew how to position himself using his larger size to his advantage.

    He did suck though. Got a lot of crap from Philly fans but a lot of it was pretty apt too. Reach in the 2nd round & the only reason he put up the numbers he did in ’02 was because the Eagles went to him so much. Ridiculously large number of drops/balls he didn’t bring in.

  32. 32 ChoTime said at 1:27 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Sure, he was too lightly built (167 lbs. when drafted) and maybe also just not quite talented enough to overcome it. You don’t like to see alligator arms, but the guy probably woulda gotten knocked out if he tried to play like Anquan Boldin.

  33. 33 The original AG said at 8:48 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Maclin was a 1st rounder.

  34. 34 RC5000 said at 9:31 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I don’t have a problem with them drafting a WR. I also want them to look at CBs and OL and possibly an EDGE rusher. But if they find a WR they like for Carson I have zero objection. It’s a huge need.

  35. 35 GermanEagle said at 7:56 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Cowboys: #1 DVOA Offense
    Eagles: #1 DVOA Defense

    Something has to give.. Who ya’all got?!

  36. 36 Corry said at 8:43 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Depends which defense shows up. The one that played down in Washington shows up, we’re in trouble. The one that shut down the Steelers shows up, we’ll roll.

  37. 37 ChoTime said at 10:17 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    It’s a dream matchup. Can’t wait!

  38. 38 eagleyankfan said at 10:41 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    last three games, (Eagles) surrendering a combined 72-381-1 (5.29 YPC) rushing line to enemy backs while badly missing NT Bennie Logan (groin)….Elliot avg. 5.9 yards per rush over last 4 games..(including 157 vs. GB)….with that said — division games — throw out every stat leading up to the game…

  39. 39 RobNE said at 8:26 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    you guys find it odd/wrong that McQueary won $7M against PSU? I just can’t get over that he was an eyewitness, told Paterno but not the police and left it at that. I know that’s not really what the case is about, but once I have that view I can’t possibly think he is owed anything at all.

  40. 40 Stephen E. said at 9:47 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    PSU owes him. It’s not about whether you think he’s a good guy or not.

  41. 41 RobNE said at 10:40 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    well I don’t understand the claim either. Turns out they thought the guy who witnessed a child rape maybe shouldn’t be on the sidelines right away, then decided not to renew his contract. They should have said of it’s all good? I think any hit to his reputation or inability to get future employment is due to his own actions.

  42. 42 unhinged said at 11:16 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Do you know, or does anyone know categorically that he told this to Paterno and left it? I think there was a strong desire to disbelieve that the allegation had credibility to start with, and PSU would have to prove a negative to justify their handling of McQueary. But from what little I have read, wasn’t there more evidence implicating Paterno? And cannot dismiss the iconic figure that Joe Pa was. Is a no-name underling going to want to take the step of pre-empting the HC? McQueary may be the most disappointing figure to emerge from this investigation…after the coach, that is.

  43. 43 RobNE said at 11:40 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    well not to get all into this, but maybe he did more than I thought. Read below, Schultz at the time was in charge of the campus police, so he did kind of tell the police. I still think the effort of him and his dad (nice role model) is lacking.

    McQueary recalled the incident taking place the evening of March 1, 2002, when he went into the locker room to put away sneakers and get recruiting tapes. McQueary said he saw Sandusky standing behind a boy about 10 years old, performing a sex act in the shower.

    McQueary immediately left and told his father. In the morning, he told Paterno, who then called Curley.

    About 10 days later, McQueary met with Curley and Schultz and told them what he witnessed, according to the grand-jury report.

    But the grand jury heard a different version of that meeting when Curley and Schultz testified.

    They said they were never told about any sexual act. Curley’s recollection is that the incident resembled “horsing around,” and Schultz recalled that it was described as “not that serious.”

  44. 44 unhinged said at 8:59 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Thanks for the detail. If McQueary did not actually say “sexual act” until his recounting of the incident, it could well explain how something so heinous could be left unaddressed. It sounds like it may have been convenient disbelief..”Did I just see what I think I saw?” And a conservative institution like a big football university is not going to get behind a thorough investigation based on a self-questioning witness. That’s just a theory. I get where your sour reaction to the payout is coming from. A lot of time elapsed, and McQueary presents himself as an ignored whistle-blower, but did not make certain his report was acted on. It is difficult to believe.

  45. 45 P_P_K said at 8:47 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Hopefully Smith will start to play really well. Then Chip will cut him and we can get him cheap.

  46. 46 John Galt said at 11:57 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    He is black, so maybe Chip will cut him.

  47. 47 unhinged said at 9:07 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Trying to pass when you don’t have a credible running threat, when you rarely run on 3rd and long, when you play into expectations by passing on first down often, and schedule a run after a pass completion often…all of it is so much harder than facing a defense that knows it can be burned if it overplays the pass. Dallas has the running game to ensure it faces a defense every week that will overplay the run, and Dak’s jersey has been pretty clean all season. I look forward to a time when Pederson has the OL that will make DC’s pay for not respecting our running game. I think we are maybe a couple years away from that…and that’s assuming HR and company aspire to be that kind of offense.

  48. 48 Stephen E. said at 9:53 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Our stats are middle-of-the-pack at running. I’d say that nets at least a “credible” threat. I don’t even see the “run after a pass completion often” behavior you’re talking about. They do run on second down, regardless of yards to go, quite often. And running on 3rd and long is a low% play… why wouldn’t you do it rarely? You’re only going to do it if you see the defense give it to you. Nice that we have a QB who’s allowed to audible…

  49. 49 unhinged said at 10:53 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Fair enough. My use of “credible” may be incorrect. What I intended was strongly relying on the run and getting the results that allow you to. I think this posture requires a certain mindset where you expect to dominate in a ground attack and your opponent expects that too. I think Dallas is at that stage right now, the Rex Ryan/Mark Sanchez Jets were, and, going way back, the Steve McNair/Eddie George Titans were. The 2000 Ravens kinda were too. What Dallas presently has that prototypical run-first offenses often don’t possess is an above-average QB, a dominant WR and a TE that knows how to get open. With Romo they could make a D pick its poison, and with Prescott the running QB is in play. I will take Carson Wentz any day over either, but he is at a great disadvantage when simply comparing our two offenses.

  50. 50 Tumtum said at 12:59 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Didn’t we run for 3rd and 7-8 a couple times the last few weeks, and convert at least once?

  51. 51 Tumtum said at 12:59 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I hope if he took anything away from Andy, it was that you need to have a very good OL. I don’t doubt for a second this group is going to be good in the future.

  52. 52 EaglesIke said at 9:12 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    I’m not sure why we wouldn’t pursue I guy that Alshon Jeffrey hard. The WR position is obviously a major issue on the team and here you have a chance to get arguably a top 5 WR if put in the write situation in the league (who by they way is only 26!) Yes, he’s going to require big money. So what? Pay the man…and unless I’m mistaken (I am not as familiar with each player’s contract and team cap scenario as a lot of you are) who are we really paying big money to now other then Cox. I think most teams generally have a couple guys on their roster who are the ‘big money, big production’ guys. I would be fired up if we brought Jeffrey in here and give an elite weapon for Wentz to grow with. Then that’s one less position to worry about in the upcoming draft? Idk maybe I’m crazy…can’t wait for SNF though!

  53. 53 bdbd20 said at 9:48 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    It really comes down to the draft pick. Chicago knows they will get a 3rd rd compensatory pick if/when Jeffrey walks. The bidding probably opens at a #1 + conditional pick. As well as we’re playing, we do have a lot of holes going forward. Not sure Howie is prepared to mortgage the draft.

  54. 54 mtn_green said at 9:59 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Can’t sign him to a contract because on franchise tag.

  55. 55 xmbk said at 10:12 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Only if they don’t sign anyone, and given the state of their roster that seems unlikely.

  56. 56 RobNE said at 10:37 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    his value is not a #1 when no team can re-sign him. There’s no way that’s his value.

  57. 57 Stephen E. said at 9:54 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Bennie Logan.

  58. 58 Birds4Life said at 9:54 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    The problem with trading for Jeffrey is that he is playing on the franchise tag this year. He will be an UFA after the season. The Eagles don’t want to give up a high pick for a player that is not guaranteed to be here next year. Say we give up a 1st for him and after the season he wants to say for $16m per year. Makes no sense for us. I wouldn’t give up anything higher than a 3rd and Chicago isn’t taking that.

  59. 59 EaglesIke said at 10:00 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Understood. Could we not get him on a trade but then have him sign a contract with us taking him out of the FA market to ensure he’s an eagle for a least a few years? I understand it’s not something the player would necessarily want as it’s always exciting for them to experience Free Agency, unless the money is right I suppose. I just get excited when these big name WRs circulate around.

  60. 60 Birds4Life said at 10:33 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    According to the CBA a player on the franchise tag has until July 15th to sign a long term deal with his team, otherwise he won’t be able to sign a deal until the day after that team’s last game. I guess Howie and his agent could have a handshake deal in place if the trade happened, but remember Frank Gore? It’s just too risky IMO. Plus like I said, Chicago is gonna want a return on Jeffrey and I doubt we would pay that high of a price. I would love to have him on our team though, if the price was right.

  61. 61 RobNE said at 10:37 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    no, the Bears can’t re-sign him and neither can any team he might be traded to. Not until after the season. This naturally pushes down the trade value. If the Bears want to get anything they can, I’d trade a 5th for him.

  62. 62 Corry said at 10:12 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Getting Jeffrey is problem #1. Problem #2 is that you can’t re-sign him until AFTER the season because he’s under the franchise tag. You also can’t “agree in principle” as that violates NFL rules, so whatever price you pay could possibly be for a 1 year rental.

  63. 63 EaglesIke said at 10:20 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Ok, now I get it. So really that same problem would exist for any franchise. Bottom line is if we really want him then we just have to fork up come this offseason. I still think it’s a player we should really try and pursue. He’s awesome and exactly what we need IMO.

  64. 64 Corry said at 11:32 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    He’s a blue chip player for sure, but the Eagles need to make some cap space I think. We aren’t against the cap but we also don’t have a ton of space like we normally do. There are players that can be restructured/released/traded, so this should be a fairly active offseason.

  65. 65 mtn_green said at 10:00 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Eagles need to get better drafting wr and db.

  66. 66 ChoTime said at 10:22 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Agholor seemed to have been rated as a late 1st, 2nd round pick from the online draft reports. His projection was good 2nd receiver or slot guy. Not particularly fast, athletic, or big. Maclin, on the other hand, was a prime prospect, explosive and athletic–a star in the making.

    Ags seems to be more or less on track far those expectations. If you didn’t fan-project him to be a star, and you give him some time to improve, he could be a decent complementary player.

  67. 67 A_T_G said at 10:51 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Defending Agholor is a challenge, but you are right. I remember a time when Maclin was a disappointment. Soft, self-tacklin’ Jeremy Maclin was the ire of fans…up to the point where he wasn’t.

  68. 68 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 10:57 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    It took Maclin damn near 6 years before he was considered a true #1. Ags might be a late bloomer. I hope the guy turns the corner but i wont put money on it.

  69. 69 ChoTime said at 11:13 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    I actually meant to contrast the two more than compare them. Maclin was considered a much better prospect, and he started off as a much better NFL player, and he probably will end up better. He’s a solid #1 receiver but not a game changer.

    Ags was never projected as a #1 and probably never will be. Neither was Jordan Matthews. Yet the FO tried to replace DJax and Maclin, two #1s, with two guys never even expected to be more than complementary players.

    It’s really neither surprising so many fans were upset or how it’s played out.

    1. lose talented players
    2. waste draft picks filling holes you made
    3. with players not as good

  70. 70 A_T_G said at 11:29 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to put words in your mouth by agreeing to something you didn’t intend. I edited my comment.

  71. 71 ChoTime said at 11:39 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    It’s all good! that’s not necessary, I just wasn’t clear. My guess is Ags will end up somewhere less than a star but better than a bust. 🙂

  72. 72 Tumtum said at 12:57 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    If he can be a 900 yard receiver, I would be pretty happy with him.

  73. 73 BobSmith77 said at 3:20 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I would have to see some benchmark data against production for 1st round WRs over the last 10 years or so though to have a better idea especially what kind of production they have vs targets & the improvement they made in the 2nd & 3rd years.

    Tend to bet Agholor will be viewed more as a ‘bust’ in Philly because of his 1st round status where if he had been picked in the mid-2nd round.

    He is headed to a 48-catch, 509 yard season with 3 TDs. Little improvement over last year but still very pedestrian numbers.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Eagles look to trade Agholor this offseason. He isn’t a ‘Roseman/Pederson’ guy, has a bigger contract because of his 1st round pick status, and hasn’t made much a leap forward this year.

    Basically is 3/4 WR on a decent team.

  74. 74 laeagle said at 2:04 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I’d look at where they were drafted to add context. There’s a big difference between the quality you’ll get in early first round versus late first or second. We picked up Maclin somewhere around 18 or so, but that’s only because Al Davis was still alive and decided to draft that super fast guy (I forget his name) over Crabtree, which pushed Crabtree down, which pushed Maclin down. Otherwise Maclin would have been gone around the 10th pick. He was that good a prospect.

    And let’s be clear here: I love Maclin as a player and person, but let’s not pretend he’s a true #1 himself. He’s a great receiver but also much better served in a complimentary role. He’s not exactly lighting it up in KC. He’s not the kind of guy that defenses have to gameplan around. His ceiling was always supposed to be as a Reggie Wayne type guy, but he’s never reached that yet, not consistently.

    So while it’s true that Ags is so far no Jeremy Maclin, it’s not true that the team failed to replace a #1 receiver. They replaced a #2 receiver with a less-good #2 receiver.

  75. 75 ChoTime said at 2:36 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I don’t disagree, except maybe in how to define a “#1 receiver.” I don’t think there are that many WRs who can really deform a defense by their presence the way TO did for us or Julio Jones is for ATL. If it’s just about productivity, Maclin put up 1300 yards at 15 y/catch when Chip featured him (Jordan Matthews is not close to that). DJax was more dangerous, but not consistently productive. Best thing would be to have both!

  76. 76 unhinged said at 11:17 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    I wish defending Agholor was a challenge!

  77. 77 Tumtum said at 12:55 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    He certainly had the hate of fans, but if you look at his stats, he was always a good receiver.

  78. 78 meteorologist said at 12:32 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    “Last year, when watching prospects, Odell Beckham Jr. was one of the first players I dug into. It did not take long for me to come to the conclusion, “oh yes, this works”. Nelson Agholor is not Odell Beckham Jr., but I had a similar experience when I turned on his tape.”

    “Trump card: Quickness and drive to change directions in routes and with the ball in his hands.

    Pro comparison: Golden Tate’s fearless attitude running after the catch, and contested situations, mixed with Greg Jennings’ precision.”


    DGB was ranked #1, interestingly

  79. 79 Tumtum said at 12:54 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I am genuinely excited about DGB if he can become a professional.

  80. 80 BobSmith77 said at 3:13 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    As I heard a long time ago, ‘It’s hard to coach up stupid’

  81. 81 meteorologist said at 3:20 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I fear the mental side may never come with him. I bet(hope?) he can still dominate without being a technician tho!

  82. 82 Tumtum said at 4:46 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I more meant if he can just not be a turd. We haven’t seen any issues on that front yet, getting more excited every week.

  83. 83 Tumtum said at 12:52 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    He looks faster than Maclin to me. He just doesn’t seem to know how to get open. I’m certainly not one for cutting him during his rookie deal. He has at least shown enough to steal checks on the first contract.

  84. 84 RC5000 said at 9:50 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I have no idea what you’re looking at. They are VERY similar in speed.

  85. 85 Corry said at 11:29 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Tim McManus reports that Jerome Boger’s crew is officiating the game. His crew has thrown the most flags so far this year. Prepare for a frustrating slopfest.

  86. 86 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 11:30 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Another Prime time game ruined

  87. 87 the DONALD said at 11:31 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    NFL needs ratings.. better tell the zebras to let them play a little..

  88. 88 BlindChow said at 4:15 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Actually, since Dallas is the more “popular” team nationally, the NFL brass might prefer they win.

    I can totally see Party Bus Blandino hinting to the refs that they need to watch the Eagles’ players really closely to make sure they’re not getting away with anything…

  89. 89 the DONALD said at 10:52 AM on October 31st, 2016:

    seems you were correct on this one BC… good call.. DP needs to kick that FG tho.

  90. 90 BlindChow said at 2:30 PM on October 31st, 2016:

    Actually, I think Dallas had more calls against them, didn’t they? I was surprised; usually the home team has the refereeing advantage.

  91. 91 RobNE said at 11:33 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    except for holding on the Dallas OL.

  92. 92 Corry said at 11:36 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Holy crap! I just looked at the stats for Boger’s crew. They throw just over 20 flags a game on average. Wow!

  93. 93 SteveH said at 12:18 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    That’s insane, but as long as they throw them fair that’s all that matters.

  94. 94 Corry said at 12:52 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    That was the biggest problem with the Detroit game. Calling ticky-tack penalties sucks, but it’s truly awful when it goes one way only.

  95. 95 Tumtum said at 12:50 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    If we revert to 14 penalties I will pull my hair out.

    The only thing that can ruin my fun with this team this year is undisciplined garbage play. Other than that, no matter the outcome, I can enjoy this team. If they commit penalty after penalty, that to me marks a team that will never go anywhere if you keep the same core. 1-2-even 3 years.

  96. 96 Nailed It! said at 11:43 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Bennie Logan officially ruled out for Sunday. Shit. Honey Beau Beau is our only hope

  97. 97 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 11:44 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    War Rhino!

  98. 98 Tumtum said at 12:48 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Good one

  99. 99 Tom33 said at 11:46 AM on October 28th, 2016:

    Off topic – but Richard Sherman seems like a really smart guy who isn’t afraid to speak his mind. I’ve become a big fan of his, even though he plays for a team I do not like.


  100. 100 Tumtum said at 12:47 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    He went to a highly regarded academic school. He has never really done anything to show that he didn’t deserve to be there academically. He also seems like he is a genuinely good person.

    That being said I hate him.

  101. 101 meteorologist said at 3:20 PM on October 28th, 2016:


  102. 102 BobSmith77 said at 12:55 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I enjoy his commentary and willingness to speak his mind on broader issues within & outside the game.

    The issues with the NFL though are much broader than even what Sherman brought up though. Allowing TD celebrations in the end zone and a third-party arbitrator might help a bit but it doesn’t get into the broader issues of how and what consumers want from experiences along with what happens to players long-term.

    Goddell won’t give up his power willingly though but what it is going to force it is the continued bad press & TV ratings. Don’t think you’ll see a real boost in ratings even after the election.

  103. 103 Anders said at 2:04 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Ratings will go up because of flex schedule so the bad teams will be flexed away for better teams

  104. 104 Bert's Bells said at 3:21 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Goodell is just the mouthpiece for the owners. He has no “power” per se. The moment he tries to do anything of his own wishes he’ll get his sack handed to him by the Maras and Rooneys.

  105. 105 Tumtum said at 12:44 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I need an extremely obscure RB that is going to do something in fantasy this week.. maybe 2. I’m talking way more obscure than Rob Kelley/Chris Thompson/ Ty Montgomery. Like 2 tiers of obscure below them.

    I am thinking I might just not start a complete team..

  106. 106 Corry said at 12:48 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    CJ Prosise? He’s apparently healthy now and made CJ Spiller expendable.

  107. 107 Tumtum said at 1:01 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    He gone! Thanks for the try though. It’s dark days.

  108. 108 Corry said at 1:11 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Shaun Draughn or Mike Davis? (49ers). Might get you a 0.1 point or something.

  109. 109 Tumtum said at 4:55 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Their on bye this week. One of my down RBs atm is Hyde lol. It looks like he is back next week. Still leaves me with TJ Yeldon in the line up, which he was always meant to be only a bye week fill in.

  110. 110 anon said at 5:35 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I’d take a look a people that might vulture Tds. Mike Tolbert used to be my guy a couple of years ago. 10 yrds 1 -2tds was all i needed

  111. 111 Tumtum said at 4:55 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    nope and nope 🙁

  112. 112 A_T_G said at 1:41 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Kenjon Barner?

  113. 113 BobSmith77 said at 3:31 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Is he going to even be active and get a carry this week?

  114. 114 Tumtum said at 4:47 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I actually added Smallwood in another league as a wait and see. I would do that in this case, but I don’t expect anything this week! You think KB actually does something of note this week?

  115. 115 A_T_G said at 9:27 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    If I thought he was going to do something he wouldn’t be obscure.

  116. 116 anon said at 5:33 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I’m in the same position. I luckily snagged jacquiz. There’s the guy in the buffalo, that’s hit or miss.

  117. 117 meteorologist said at 1:14 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Peyton Barber, Tampa Bay

  118. 118 Tumtum said at 7:07 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Blue is gone. Washington is there but I feel like Im going to get a 0. Carey has Vikes. Peyton Barber sounds inteiguing. What are you thinking?

  119. 119 meteorologist said at 7:36 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    They are running jaquizz into the ground and he’s so small already. No Doug Martin in sight. They gotta start distributing the ball at least a little

  120. 120 BobSmith77 said at 1:01 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Kind of shocked that so many Eagles’ fans are optimistic going into this match up. See this being a Boys victory where they cover easily too (Eagles are +4.5). Easy to find people who will take the Eagles and the points though.

    How many more weeks can the Eagles count on special teams making at least one huge play that swings the course of the game? Plus their on the road with the Boys coming off a bye, Boys get Dez back, Logan is out, and Eagles’ offense has stunk the last 2 weeks.

    Don’t see it being a blowout but the Boys winning by double-digits. Call it Boys 27, Eagles 16.

  121. 121 Tumtum said at 1:03 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    My uncle is a big Cowboys fan and we bet both games every year. I told him I thought the score was going to be 27-17

  122. 122 BobSmith77 said at 1:11 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    This is one game this year where I really don’t like the Eagles’ chances. Even the Steelers’ game I liked them a bit more since they were home and Steelers played a physical, emotional game vs Bengals the week before.

    What has been really odd so far this year is that the Eagles have played much better than normal at home. This is the exact opposite of what has occurred since the Linc opened and coming into this season no team has a worse home record vs overall record in the NFL during that period.

    Eagles’ defense in particular has been just been dominant at home this year (vs Browns, Steelers, and Vikings). Small sample size though and 2 of those 3 offenses are pathetic.

  123. 123 Tumtum said at 4:48 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I noticed that they appear to be a better home team this year too. I wonder if it is an aberration or a trend.

  124. 124 Tom33 said at 1:17 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I picked Dallas in my survivor pool this week. Figure I’m hedging my bet, so I’ll be sort-of-happy either way. I will still be heavily rooting for the Birds though.

    I don’t see the Eagles winning though either, unless they can get out to an early lead and make Dallas be one dimensional.

  125. 125 BobSmith77 said at 1:27 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Still in my 3 too and I took the Vikings in each one. I can’t take the Jets on the road vs Browns but my default has been whoever has been playing the Browns. Jets have had a difficult schedule but they stink too with a ton of unresolved QB questions & holes galore on D.

    Still have the Pats and Cowboys too. Don’t want to use them quite yet.

    Always try to figure out the worst team before the year, the 3-4 games where you like them a bit more, and build a selection grid accordingly.

  126. 126 Tumtum said at 5:24 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    If there were ever a rough week to pick against the browns, this would be the week. McCown is back.

  127. 127 A_T_G said at 1:40 PM on October 28th, 2016:


    That is all.

  128. 128 GermanEagle said at 2:12 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I did the same. However I really hope my emotional hedge doesn’t come through.

  129. 129 Tumtum said at 5:14 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Damn, nice reverse jinx. Just on my gut I would not want this game in a survivor pool. I am thinking you might have just locked in the victory for the birds.

  130. 130 meteorologist said at 1:12 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Smart. I feel that when I have fantasy players going against the eagles. Win win

  131. 131 GermanEagle said at 2:11 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Kind of shocked you call yourself an Eagles fan.

  132. 132 BobSmith77 said at 2:30 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Hope with my heart; bet with my head

  133. 133 daveH said at 6:38 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Follow ACViking.. th refs control it

  134. 134 Blackfoot said at 2:26 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    as a life long eagles fan, born and raised in the city, I personally always think the eagles are going to lose every game they play. I want them to win so bad but I know they wont.
    but when it comes to the division games, I give nothing to the opponents. they all suck and the eagles should be crushing them.
    no one is optimistic, we are all just waiting to see how it unfolds.

  135. 135 Nailed It! said at 2:31 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I feel sorry for the people who watch the games with you. It’s why we watch these games. I am also sure you had us down for an L last week. Who cares how you get points just score points. You can’t count on anything really in this game. Two rookie QB’s, our defense is up and down but more up than down. Dallas defense is 22nd in the league so we have a huge opportunity there, I see this as an extremely close game that could go either way. And I think their offensive line is great at run blocking but is highly overrated in pass blocking, where our defense is best at.

    But being a pessimist is easier than an optimist, at least you can say hey I told you guys if they lose, or be happy cause they won.

  136. 136 BobSmith77 said at 3:11 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I wouldn’t come on here and gloat either way. I can just divorce what I think will happen (and bet accordingly) vs what I would like to see happen. This really does rile some people up though who can’t see how I would bet against a team I root for in an individual game.

  137. 137 Nailed It! said at 3:21 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    The beginning of your post made it seem you were riled about people being so optimistic tho? I mean you said shocked which made you write a whole long post about how the Birds will lose. People in glasses houses should not throw stones.

  138. 138 BobSmith77 said at 3:22 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Not riled up at all. Just surprised that so many Eagles’ fans feel confident about a win this week. A bit atypical from Eagles’ fans especially when almost all of the pundits have them losing (Didinger, McManus, and Bowen all have them losing this week from what I have heard/seen). That’s all.

  139. 139 Tumtum said at 5:12 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Well when all the experts pick against anyone, they are sure to win. Lets hope that happens.

  140. 140 Tumtum said at 4:57 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I think we are going to lose this week too. Thought we were gonna win last week though.

  141. 141 anon said at 5:16 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    same, though i’d rater be surprised than dissapointed.

  142. 142 Tumtum said at 5:21 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I really just hope if we do lose we don’t play a horrible penalty ridden game. If we have a Redskins repeat I think we can probably just know we are the 3rd seat in the division.

  143. 143 BobSmith77 said at 5:56 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Even with the loss to the Skins, it is really hard to see them as a clearly better team than the Eagles. Didn’t see that in the game 2 weeks ago or in what the two teams have done this season.

    A loss this week isn’t the end of the world either but it is likely the last loss the Eagles can have in the NFC East if they still want to make the playoffs this year.

    Lions’ loss looms a lot larger especially since it was another NFC team that will likely be hanging around & they coughed up a victory.

  144. 144 Tumtum said at 6:25 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    If I am a player on the Eagles and we get smacked around by the Cowboys and Redskins, I am feeling like we suck. Think you suck, and you usually suck..

  145. 145 BobSmith77 said at 10:34 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Played both of those teams on the road though. Even the most optimistic Eagles’ fans I knew this year had the Eagles losing at least 2 games in the division if not even 3.

  146. 146 BlindChow said at 5:35 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Being an optimist is way easier than being a pessimist. It’s the reason religion is so popular. Self-delusion will always be the easy way out. Fandom is much harder when your team routinely play down to your low expectations…

    That said, I don’t think it’s pessimism to think the Eagles lose this one; it’s just realistic.

  147. 147 Nailed It! said at 5:46 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I would say religion preys on peoples inherent fears ie hell, the devil, and eternal damnation, rather than people being optimistic to go to heaven but that’s really more a philosophical argument I do not want to get into in a comment section.

  148. 148 meteorologist said at 1:09 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    “that’s really more a philosophical argument I do not want to get into in a comment section.”
    Nailed it!

  149. 149 RC5000 said at 7:14 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    Were you drunk or stoned or tripping when you came up with this?

  150. 150 meteorologist said at 1:07 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Don’t bring up religion unless you want an argument … Common sense

  151. 151 BlindChow said at 1:34 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    It seems to have gone over just fine.

  152. 152 BlindChow said at 5:06 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Yeah, once they choked the big one against Washington, it’ll take more than a single game against a terrible offense to get me optimistic again. Especially with the offense looking like they did last year (more variety, sure, but same results).

  153. 153 BobSmith77 said at 9:48 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I’m not even that pessimistic on the season. Just really don’t like this particular matchup for the Eagles.

    If the Eagles were at home and the Boys weren’t coming off the bye, I would put this more in the tossup category.

  154. 154 A Roy said at 7:13 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    So, who has Dallas beaten that is better than average?

  155. 155 unhinged said at 9:25 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Sometimes the evidence that points expectations a certain way can evaporate in the ether. I do not believe that Jim Schwartz will abide one more no-show by his unit for the remainder of the season. At their best, the Eagles D can cause some problems for the Dallas offense. Logan’s absence is a concern, but it may not yield the advantage that we all assume. Our safeties need to play big, and Jordan Hicks will get a lot of attention from the Dallas OC, so Kendricks and Bradham will need to have his back. And if Big V continues to improve, we could actually see Pederson channel Bill Callahan, but that cannot hold for a whole game. Wentz knows exactly what he’s facing, I think, so his role is critical. I think this game could easily be decided in the last 5 minutes.

  156. 156 laeagle said at 10:59 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    File me as not shocked you’re not optimistic…

  157. 157 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:08 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    I feel almòst as comfortable as I felt going into the Vikings game… going into the season I feared how we match up against the skins, more than I feared the Cowboys, and as of now that hasn’t changed
    Generally I worry about crowd noise with our young RT, fortunately Cowboys stadium has been one of the weaker homefield advantages in the NFL
    Thinking the key to us winning this game is getting off to a strong start, gettng our defense off the field Quickily the first couple of drives, while the Eagles manufacture a few long drives against the average dallas defense.. A 10-14 point lead to start the game would be Huge…. getting off to a slow start and allowing dallas to play with a lead would be really bad for our chances of winning this game..
    You do realize that Jenkins played about 2 and a half quarters with a concussion when Cole Beasly had that big game against Jenkins? Hopefully a non-concussed Jenkins makes this a very different game… Wonder if we might see Schwartz switch it up, and let the quicker converted CB to safety, McLeod get some snaps matched up against Beasley or even Jaylen Watkins….schwartz has proved that he can be versatile when it calls for it
    My biggest fear this week is if we get caught Blitzing, get pushed out of our gap causing us to get gashed for Big runs… But so far McLeod has been a godsend as a safety blanket, who has made almost all the tackles as the last line of defense stopping RBs for breaking Huge runs. That kid has shown some really great range,,
    Interesting match up for sure. Even the most faithful Eagle fans would not call this an easy match up… But a team that is a ryan Mathews fumble away from being 5-1 with big wins over playoff teams (steelers and Vikings) SHOULD Feel confident against anyone… dallas is not some well rounded Juggernaut, they are team that covers a lot of Flaws by being really good on one side of the ball, but sooner or later an opponent will take their strength away from them, which hopefully exposes their flaws….. Hopefully that will happen Sunday night

  158. 158 BobSmith77 said at 3:47 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Curious to see if the Eagles can slow the Boys in the Red Zone and get a few stops.

    In 2013 and 2014, the Boys were very productive in the red zone (2013 – 68.6%; 3rd; 2014 – 64.9%; 2nd) and had the 5th highest scoring offense in the NFL each season. Last year, they plummeted (2015 – 30th; 44.4%) and they had the 31st worst scoring offense.

    This year, their back up again (65.2%; 9th) and their 7th in the league in scoring offense. Been really good at home so far (70%). If the Eagles want to win this game my bet is they need 2 red zone stops & at least that 8-pt swing as a result. Eagles can trade FGs with the Boys but not TDs.

  159. 159 Ark87 said at 7:13 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I used to watch ESPN all day for these kinds of game highlights. Pretty much the only way you had any idea what the heck happened outside of your local market. Now you pretty much get to see the winning team score once or twice as you’re told the result of the game as the whole day of games is rattled off in half the time of this highlight of a single game.

  160. 160 FairOaks said at 7:55 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    That was the NFL Primetime show on ESPN, which was great. But the NFL made the right to show those extensive highlights part of the package of televising the Sunday Night game, which ESPN had at the time — they would put on that show before and after the game — it was fantastic.

    When NBC got the rights for the sunday night game, they also got the rights to show any extended highlights, and they use that for their “Football Night in America” show which pales in comparison. ESPN had to move their show to Monday, and they split it in two (one in the afternoon and one much later at night after the MNF game), and they don’t show near the detailed highlights they used to (as 7pm on Sundays is really when you want to do that).

    So… NBC was willing to pay more for those highlights, and because they are not 100% sports, they have a lot of other non-highlight content for that hour. The NFL took the money rather than the quality TV.

  161. 161 anon said at 7:57 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    pretty common theme

  162. 162 BobSmith77 said at 10:09 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Knew the basic but not the specifics. Thanks.

    I disconnected from cable a few years ago and haven’t regretted the decision since then.

  163. 163 Tumtum said at 12:48 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    I did that and would have no problem…other than live sports. So I stay connected.

  164. 164 BobSmith77 said at 9:49 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    My Sunday night staple in high school after I would come from the sandwich shop at 11:30. I would eat a little bit, watch Primetime, and go to sleep.

  165. 165 daveH said at 10:15 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Hell yeah.. . For me Berman is still the ultimatr.

  166. 166 BobSmith77 said at 9:58 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    The highlights of this game brought back my nearly irrational hatred of Peete. He was horrendous at the QB for the Eagles yet somehow managed to start 24 games (played in 30 G overall) over 4 seasons with them despite 21 fumbles & 27 INTs during that stretch.

    Wasn’t exactly Vick either with his pop-gun arm and mediocre scrambling ability yet somehow Peete gets nearly remembered for the bum he was here in Philly.

    Just watch the highlights on this game where he just drops the damn ball that Lett recovered. He wasn’t even hit or getting chased. Just dropped the damn ball.

  167. 167 RC5000 said at 8:00 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    Re: Peete isn’t remembered for the bum he was here in Philly. Instead it is more of a good guy who was more a ‘game manager’ type QB. Nah he was a straight up bum.

    Rodney Peete isn’t more of a good guy? What did he do that makes him a bad person?

  168. 168 ACViking said at 5:43 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Winning the Dallas game would be great.

    But at the end of the day — i.e., the end of the season — if the Eagles won’t be hoisting Lombardi . . .

    As long as Dallas is at also home, watching someone else do it, then the season’s been a success.

  169. 169 daveH said at 6:35 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Thats how my Giants hate faded away a few years ago

  170. 170 BobSmith77 said at 10:12 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I would broaden that to anyone in the NFC East. I am largely indifferent to the Skins but really don’t want to see a scumbag like Snyder hoisting the Lombardi Trophy either.

  171. 171 The original AG said at 11:46 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I live down in DC, and Skins fans are almost the worst behind only the Caps fans down here.

  172. 172 djr12 said at 12:58 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    Add the Patriots and I’m in. That’s how my Giants hate faded away.

  173. 173 ACViking said at 6:08 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Re: Fun Facts about Referee Jerome Boger and Crew

    Sunday evening’s game will be officiated by the Boger crew.

    So, you ask, how’ve the Eagles done with that group the past 8 years?

    Well . . . not great.

    The Birds have lost 4 of their last 5 games officiated by Boger’s crew.

    2015: PHI v. @WSH 23-20 (L) — 8 penalties for 72 yards against the Birds.

    2014: @PHI v. TN 43-24 (W) — 7 for 56

    2013: NO GAMES WITH BOGER (hurray)
    2012: NO GAMES WITH BOGER (hurray)

    2011: @PHI v. NE 38-20 (L) — 10 for 60 (NE had 3 for 15).


    2009: PHI v @SD 31-23 (L) — 9 for 70

    2008: PHI v @WSH 10-3 (L) — 3 for 20.

    You have to hand it Boger and his crew.

    No matter what the roster looks like or what season it is . . .

    The Eagles haven’t done well when he’s been the referee.

  174. 174 Tumtum said at 6:21 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I love that you put the effort in to this, but I don’t like what you found. Please revise.

  175. 175 anon said at 6:24 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Should i bet based on officiating crew? Are you sure Boger’s crew didn’t officiate the lions game?

  176. 176 daveH said at 6:33 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    CSI MVP !!! PUlitzer prize for this post! !! ALL TIMEGREAT POST.
    Post the records by every referee crew & teams and there will be a knock on your door … you need a safe house.. you NEED an exit strategy

  177. 177 BlindChow said at 7:36 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Do you have the numbers for the opposing teams (other than NE)? It would be especially worrisome if the numbers were consistently lopsided a la the Lions game this year…

  178. 178 daveH said at 9:01 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Uh yeah .. thats why if he exposes the nfl his life would be in danger

  179. 179 Rambler said at 12:55 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    Great, thanks AC. As if I do not have enough agita already about this game.

  180. 180 Media Mike said at 7:45 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    Additional fact; Jerome Boger has the same speaking mannerisms as this guy.


  181. 181 Tumtum said at 12:10 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    It looks like you have two fine hams in your pants.

  182. 182 myartz04 said at 6:42 PM on October 28th, 2016:


  183. 183 BobSmith77 said at 10:05 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    I thought this was kind of funny but the guy wearing a wife beater as a shirt and dropping constant f-bombs around a small kid is a bit too spot on for South Philly.

  184. 184 daveH said at 10:13 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    And it seemed staged. Hope it was

  185. 185 BobSmith77 said at 10:16 PM on October 28th, 2016:

    Yeah it was entirely staged but almost a bit too authentic for my taste.

    Amazing the transformation that South Philly has undergone the last decade especially east of Broad and north of Washington Ave

  186. 186 Bob Brewer said at 6:35 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    On the offensive side of the ball, how many Eagles players would you take over the Dallas counterpart?

  187. 187 A_T_G said at 7:39 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    I agree, comparing our beloved Eagles to that rabble of hooligans is very offensive.

    That said, mostly everything except QB.

  188. 188 Media Mike said at 7:44 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    Wentz. Ertz. Lane. Peters (if just for this year).

  189. 189 Tumtum said at 12:08 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Sorry, just for this year I’m gonna take Witten over Ertz. Ertz is having a rough one. Hell ill take Celek.

    Ill take any WR we have over Williams though.

  190. 190 Media Mike said at 7:48 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    I think if our LBs tackle Elliot this week we’ll be fine.

    If they don’t, I’ll be impugning their character!

  191. 191 Bert's Bells said at 8:18 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    If the phrase “pencil-necked geeks” is not used we’ll be disappointed.

  192. 192 Media Mike said at 9:04 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    I would more go after lack of heart and IQ

  193. 193 Tumtum said at 12:06 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Visions of kendrick running strait past EE at 50mph

  194. 194 daveH said at 2:12 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    I think Kendriks is good in a straight line. BLitz him. Let him SPY Elliott …. but dont give him alot to watch or do..
    DOnt give him choices &decisions

  195. 195 Tumtum said at 7:06 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    I remeber a few years ago he spied RG3 and did amazing.

  196. 196 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:09 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    Brian westbrook talked about how he watched greg Lewis gradually work/improve his way from long shot Undrafted WR to a solid conteibutor for what was a top NFL team, and warned against giving up on any of these young WRs too soon, even tho he was also fair with his criticism of where they are in their development right now..
    These kids were drafted into a situation with a Horrible WR coach Bicknell who may have been the worst coach on chips entire staff, and placed in an offense that probably stunted their growth in terms of the entire NFL route tree, and right now they are still pretty young in their transition to an NFL offense and the NFL route tree… These kids only had one summer and 6 games in this scheme with their new coaches. It’s still way too early to be giving up on these developing young WRs. But I do think there is room to add one more WR to the core of nelson, Dorial, Jordan and huff, whether it’s via trade, free agency, or more likely another draft pick… Draft a 5th WR talent, and hopefully at least two or three of them will Develope into playërs we want in Philly Longterm.
    I have zero interest in Alshon Jeffries and Id be pretty shocked if the Eagles were legitimately interested in him, his price tag this offseason will be insane, and I’d hate to spend that on a guy who has been so suceptible to injuries
    Torrey Smith is a mutt… His talent has rarely consistently transitioned to an NFL field… We can get a young WR who can run fast in a straight line for much cheaper than commuting to Smith..
    There is ONE WR who has been mentioned as a possible under the radar trade target who would actually interest me…… Brandon Marshall, a crafty Veteran who would make some really tough catches for our Rookie QB, and would give us a premier NFL WR for our puppies to learn from. I like Marshall because while he isn’t cheap, he only has a year or two left on his contract and I find that way more attractive than the Committment it would take to add Alshon…. Had Chip Kelly not Usurped HOWIE, I could see HOWIE trying to trade for Marshall back when the Jets acquired him..
    The price of big name WRs is becoming way too rich for my blood unless we are talking about one of the handful of elite NFL WRs like AJ, Julio, Hopkins
    If we can add a guy like Marshall For a 4th or 5th round pick to get him off that sinking ship known as the Jets, great… If not, stay the course and draft a 5th young WR talent in this next draft… Not all great NFL WRs have developed over night.,. And there are so many highly drafted WRs in recent years who are still trying to figure it out like our puppies. This is not some situation that is unique to the Eagles. Think we should be a little more patient with our WRs. We need young WRs who will grow and Develope with Carson for years to come… I like our Chances of seeing either Nelson or DGB grow to realize their full potential. Hopefully they both don’t crap out

  197. 197 meteorologist said at 12:34 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Would LOVE to add a mature Marshall

  198. 198 ACViking said at 2:01 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    “Torrey Smith is a mutt . . . ”


  199. 199 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:46 AM on October 29th, 2016:

    Props to our 7th round rookie corner for not giving up a single TD so far this season even tho he has been matched up against some really dangerous WRs like antonio brown and Desean… He probably couldn’t acheive this without our DL playing some really good ball, but the rookie still deserves his respect..
    Jordan Hicks played about as good of a game as we will see from a LB last week, and the kid had some monster performances against the Cowboys OL last year before tearing his pectoral muscle. Hopefully his elite level of Cowboy slaying continues Sunday night… PFF rates hicks as one of the best LBers in the NFL so far this year in “Coverage”… QBs HAVENT found much success throwing hIcks way… Think the young LB is starting to get comfortable in this scheme and is ready to take his game to new heights, for as Stingy Schwartz has been with his praise, he was gushing and raving about Hicks play all week. Bradham has been playing at a pretty high level for most of this season. Kendricks is the X factor. Struggled BIGTIME early this season And was about as disappointing as it gets, but he looks he may have turned the corner the last two weeks, and if he starts to play up to his potential, this group of LBers could be as good as any in the League… Fingers crossed
    I also feel pretty good about what we have seen from Leodis so far this season. The injuries have been annoying, but if he can stay on the field, he seems pretty sound at keeping WRs in front of him, and making a sound tackle short of the first down… With Brooks done for the season, we really need McKelvin to stay on the field, hopefully his soft tissue issues are behind him
    brandon Graham is extremely important in this Dallas match up… He needs to completely Dominate RT Doug Free. If he can have similar success to the Vikings game where he vowed that he would be unblockable and delivered on that promise, he could go a long way towards making Dak Prescott uncomfortable which he has yet to Experiemce in the NFL
    The Dallas OL has not dominated the Eagles DL. We have caused them some problems, and I think the battle between their OL and our DL have been pretty much even the last few years. Our DL gets the best of them one game, the next game their OL gets the best of us… Which makes This such an interesting game. On one hand, playing without bennie Logan sucks, but adding Schwartz as our puppet master probably makes this DL a little better than it has been the last couple of years, and Beau Allen is no slouch filling in for Logan… As for the Cowboys, Doug Free can be suspect in pass protection, they are playing without La’el Collins, and Tyrone Smith is probably still banged up a bit
    I think facing a rookie QB who hasn’t faced any adversity yet and has been living in a clean pocket all season is a fantastic opportunity for our Defense… It hasn’t been all sunshine and rainbows for Wentz, last week he learned to win Ugly when things weren’t going his way, and that’s a very important step in the development of young QBs.. Dak hasn’t experienced any of that yet, Hopefully we can be the first defense to make him uncomfortable, and we get to see how he responds to His first test of adversity
    I also like This game because while our OL is dealing with a raw rookie at RT, Vaitai and our OL has already faced much tougher tests than the Cowboys DL should present… The Cowboys DONT have a ryan Kerrigan/Everson Griffin Caliber edge rusher, and while Crawford and Thornton are formidable DTs, they don’t bring the massive power our interior OL has had to deal with against the likes of Linval Joseph and Chris baker…. My one concern is Vaitai on the road dealing with crowd noise, but fortunately “Jerry World” Stadium ISNT known to be much of a home field advantage…. If we can go into Jerry World and win with the Billy Davis/chip Kelly Defense, and two Horrible Guards, then I like our chances with Schwartz and Vaitai…. But it’s important for the offense to start strong and not allow the Cowboys run game to play with a lead

  200. 200 Tumtum said at 12:04 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Mills isnt perfect but the list of guys he has out preformed from the last 5 years on this team is pretty long.

  201. 201 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:09 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Certainly a promising start for rookie in his first 6 games… Allagedly, Jim Schwartz loves the kid

  202. 202 ChoTime said at 1:28 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    I am getting pumped up for this. So, if you’re Wentz, do you do the guitar thing or not?

  203. 203 daveH said at 5:26 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Air guitar? ?? WHAT, no way NO WAY NEVER EVRR

  204. 204 Tumtum said at 9:33 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Air it out.

  205. 205 Aaron said at 1:53 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    I understand the arguement for not adding wrs at this point in the season, but really would it hurt, would it

  206. 206 ACViking said at 1:54 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Looking for . . . BlindChow

    You asked about opponents’ penalties in Eagles’ games officiated by Jerome Boger’s crew. (Should have included originally).

    Here’s how it looks in every Eagles game since Boger became a Referee:

    2015 – PHI v @WSH (loss): Birds 8 penalties – 72 yards / WSH 10-110

    2014 – PHI v TN (win): Birds 9-69 / TN 7-56 [I reversed these in my earlier post]

    2010 – PHI v NE (loss): Birds 10-60 / NE 3-20

    2009 – PHI v @SD (loss): Birds 9-70 / SD 3-31

    2008 – PHI v @WSH (loss): Birds 3-20 / WSH 3-25

    2008 – PHI v. @ATL (win): Birds 7-70 / ATL 6-51

    2007 – PHI v. MIA (win): Birds 4-40 / MIA 3-15

    As noted in my earlier comment . . . you have to hand it to Boger’s crew.

    They almost always seem to take more issue with the Eagles — no matter the year, the coach, or the roster. Odd.

  207. 207 daveH said at 2:08 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Brilliant. LOve this. TYVM

  208. 208 daveH said at 2:09 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Do the entire lesgue and send it to the networks.. think they wud pay gor your research

  209. 209 SteveH said at 2:10 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    At least it isn’t Morelli, we have to be thankful for.

  210. 210 FairOaks said at 2:24 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Looks like it was a pronounced difference in 2009-2010 only. Maybe that phase has passed. We can hope I guess.

    Could be a pattern that when a team gets down early, the refs may assume that they need to cheat more to get back in the game, and may look more closely. Certainly that happened (getting down early) in the Detroit and Washington games.

  211. 211 ChoTime said at 2:42 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    No offense, but it’s folly to draw conclusions from a sample size of 7. There’s nothing there but noise.

  212. 212 BlindChow said at 3:04 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    I can believe that the 2010 Patriots and 2009 Chargers were both just not very sloppy.

  213. 213 dandynator said at 3:41 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Was always a low key ravens fan since I started watching the nfl/eagles and and watched alot of ravens football and would have to say torrey smith is great if you run go route alot but just the way he is build (long legs) he cannot run crisp route and somewhat limits what you can do with him and the offense. Great deep option but no thanks. Also some say he can drop with the best of them, which is true but in my mind he is clutch since he made that game winning catch in the end zone to beat the steelers for the first time back in 09 or 10

  214. 214 ACViking said at 6:48 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Re: Eagles vs. The REFs . . . Odd Stuff

    So I posted a couple comments about how the Eagles have done in games officiated by Jerome Boger’s crew (1-4 after winning the first 2).

    The Vikings game (win) was officiated by John Hussey’s crew — a new one. Birds now 1-0 with Hussey.

    Washington (loss) — John Parry’s crews. Birds are 3-6 lifetime (2 wins were against G-men in 2009, 2010).

    Detroit (loss) — Pete Morelli’s crew. The Eagles started off 6-0 with Morelli (excluding a meaningless week 16 game in 2004, when Reid rested the starters). Since then, 1-5 with Morelli.

    Pittsburgh (win) — Brad Allen’s crew. Only been a ref for 3 seasons. Birds are 1-1 (his crew officiated the TB debacle in 2015).

    Chicago (win) — Jeff Triplette’s crew. Birds are 6-3 since 2000 with his crew. 2-2 in division games.

    Cleveland (win) — Walt Anderson’s crew. Birds are 11-6 since 2000 with his crew officiating (11-5 in the regular season, if you exclude the 2008 NFC title game).

    Strange how these Ws and Ls fit with crew history. Just sayin’.

  215. 215 Rellihcs said at 8:34 PM on October 29th, 2016:

    Excellent work.