Biggest Frustration

Posted: November 30th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 116 Comments »

With the Eagles having lost 6 of 8, there is a lot to complain about. Not enough talent. Too many penalties. Questionable coaching decisions. You can find a lot of areas to question.

My biggest frustration is too much stupidity.

I don’t expect perfection from a team. I watch a lot of college and pro football and have for years. Even the very best teams are going to make mistakes. The ’85 Bears once gave up 38 points in a game. The ’99 Rams were once held to 11 points in a game. Brian Dawkins missed tackles. Terrell Owens dropped passes. David Akers missed FGs. Jerome Brown once finished an entire season with just 1 sack. No team is perfect. No player is perfect.

I can deal with Nelson Agholor dropping passes. I can handle Zach Ertz not breaking tackles. I can live with Jalen Mills missing some tackles. Those are performance errors. I’m not happy about them, but you are going to have mistakes. That’s just reality.

What I can’t stand are the mental errors. Agholor not being on the line of scrimmage for the pass play in the Seattle game is 1,000 times worse than any dropped pass. All he is asked to do in that spot is stand on or right by the LOS. Instead, he’s back almost a full yard. And it’s not like he’s an OL trying to cheat and get an advantage against an edge rusher. I could understand that. You push the officials as much as you can for advantages. Sometimes you get burned. Agholor just didn’t line up correctly. That is dumb. Agonizingly dumb.

There is no other moment this year that comes close to that, but this team has made a lot of dumb errors and it frustrates the heck out of me.

Najee Goode’s late hit in the Atlanta game is probably number two for the year. Luckily this didn’t end up costing the Eagles the game.

So very dumb.

Carson Wentz throwing the ball away in the Falcons game…on 4th down. That was pretty dumb. It was at least an awkward situation, especially for a rookie.

DGB has ruined a screen play in each of the last 2 games by blocking on the play. Once is bad, but twice in a row? This absolutely better not happen again. Those penalties wiped out long gains.

Zach Ertz had 3 false start penalties in a game. A TE shouldn’t have 3 in a season, let alone in a game.

There were some blown coverages in the Giants game. I don’t know which player is at fault.

The defense had 12 men on the field on Monday night and that led to Green Bay going for it on 4th/5 instead of punting. That basically sealed the game.

D-linemen failed to contain Wilson and Rodgers on some plays in the last couple of weeks. I know it is hard and they are special QBs, but you need to keep them in the pocket. Once they get outside, bad things happen. DEs used inside moves and left the outside wide open. Can’t do that.

Pederson has had his moments. The screen pass against Dallas is going to bug me for the next 5 years at a minimum. The challenge on Monday night didn’t end up hurting the Eagles, but that was a terrible challenge.

You can find dumb moments in every game. There are dumb moments off the field as well. Agholor in the strip club. Josh Huff in his car. Nigel Bradham with the gun at the airport.

I don’t know if stupidity is contagious, but it feels like it when you watch this team. Doug Pederson and his staff need to find a way to fix the mental errors. We aren’t trying to understand physics here. I don’t need Nelson Agholor to have a working knowledge of Planck’s constant. He just has to make sure he is standing at the right spot when the ball is snapped. If he can then start catching passes, we might actually be on to something.

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116 Comments on “Biggest Frustration”

  1. 1 Corry said at 8:39 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    I said it yesterday, I’ll say it again: just dumbass players doing dumbass things.

  2. 2 A Roy said at 9:44 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    But wait! I thought most of these guys have college degrees. They were team captains. Leaders! Oh, yeah. Phys Ed majors leading guys who didn’t graduate. (I kid I kid.)

  3. 3 Dave said at 8:53 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Who else Googled Planck’s constant after reading Tommy’s post?

  4. 4 daveH said at 11:35 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    I will

  5. 5 ChoTime said at 11:59 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Rare to see discussion of subatomic phenomena in a football article.

  6. 6 truehaynes said at 3:55 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Well I’m a physics major…

  7. 7 myartz04 said at 8:55 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    The core of this team has been dumb for a long time.

  8. 8 bsuperfi said at 10:25 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Yeah, I agree with this. Cox is doing dumb stuff. Kendricks has never been the most heady player, and he was looked at as a future defensive cog for a little bit.

    Part of it’s the players because it’s been around, but part of it is Pederson too. I generally like his future as a head coach, but if he can’t mostly coach the stupidity out of his players, it’ll cost him his job sooner rather than later. It’s a much worse Achilles’ heel than Reid’s time management problems.

    Then there’s Hicks, who seems like a real deal football savant. And maybe Wentz too–he certainly looks like he has the potential. The next draft and FA period will be telling about how much of a premium the new administration puts on heady players.

  9. 9 Bert's Bells said at 10:31 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Graham and Barwin are also smart players. Jenkins too.

  10. 10 ChaosOnion said at 8:56 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    The DGB OPI calls looked like timing issues. How many times has he been in that spot for that play this year? You absolutely want him on the way to the block when that ball is in the air and blocking once it is in the WRs hands. He is behind schedule because he has not gotten the reps. I got the impression from his draft coverage and time elsewhere he was a physical specimen and not exactly a football savant. Might take him a bit of time.

    Well, I hope so, anyway.

  11. 11 bdbd20 said at 8:59 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    OPI is so hard to judge. If he misses the block and it’s a tackle for loss, we kill him. Timing is paramount. I’m willing to give him a pass for now. He’s starting to look like an NFL receiver again. Hopefully that continues. Maybe not a #1, but signs are good.

  12. 12 John Galt said at 11:50 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    The problem is in both cases he goes right to the DB and blocks him with no hesitation at all. There is no way the ball would have been thrown in either case. It wasn’t just missed timing, he didn’t even try to have timing. Read this and watch the gifs, he is either dumb as a box of rocks or doesn’t know the rule (or more probably, both).

    http://www.phillyvoice.com/lack-discipline-and-not-just-drops-eagles-receivers-killing-big-plays/

  13. 13 peteike said at 12:01 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    ya, this is all you need to see when you compare it to the opposing teams same plays. Its just bad, there is no excusing it away

  14. 14 xmbk said at 9:10 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Agreed, more than anything a lack of focus and discipline has hurt the team, all year long. I wonder if part of it is a backlash to Kelly, trying to make the team more “player-friendly”. They certainly have gotten that message from the owner. Hopefully more accountability and attention to detail will be an offseason adjustment.

    Jenkins had lobbied for more responsibility for the veteran leadership. Would expect that to stay behind closed doors, but so far it doesn’t seem to be working out too well.

  15. 15 A Roy said at 9:38 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Kelly’s teams were stoopid, too.

  16. 16 Mitchell said at 10:06 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    It seems like the mental errors reared their heads during the Kelly era. It feels like we say every year they need to be addressed but the next year is just as bad as the one before.

  17. 17 anon said at 10:11 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    They were here at the end of the Reid era too team has been sloppy for years, not sure how you fix that.

  18. 18 Mitchell said at 12:27 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    You could say new staff but that was done ttwice and you could say new players but the whole roster is flipped practically so IDK.

  19. 19 D3FB said at 12:34 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Kelce, Peters, Celek, Cox, Curry, Kendricks are the only Reid players left

  20. 20 RobNE said at 12:51 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    don’t forget the magic man

  21. 21 birdsofprey said at 10:16 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Planck’s constant? Physics is awesome and it wouldn’t hurt Agholor to have a working knowledge of it.
    Though, it could. Maybe him overthinking stuff and not just “playing” is what’s hurting him.
    Maybe you very specifically DONT want Agholor to have a working understanding of how Plack’s constant connects photon energy to frequency.

    Is anyone else impressed by that guy who went to MIT and is a lineman?

  22. 22 ChoTime said at 10:46 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Don’t linemen tend to be the smartest players on the team?

    Intelligence can hurt you sometimes. Athletics is more about instinct, skill built through repetition, and _knowing_, than thinking (IMO).

  23. 23 birdsofprey said at 1:42 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I feel like it comes down to time. I got into pretty decent schools, but pretty much drowned in work as an engineering major. It was a lot of studying for 40-50hrs a week + 16-20hrs of classes per week. The kids that were super smart would only put in 10-20hrs a week + classes. That’s still a full time job.

    I don’t know how you can do anything like that + spent 20-30hrs a week on the field. Mad props to that guy.
    I think Andrew Luck was also an engineer at Stanford.

    Buncha jackasses.

  24. 24 eagleyankfan said at 10:16 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    seems like a long way saying “coaching has not been up to par”…. players are going to make mistakes. repeating them, and having so many players at fault boils down to coaching IMHO.

    …..

    “I can deal with Nelson Agholor dropping passes.” — that makes one of you in that group where his constant pass dropping is acceptable. In that same game where he didn’t line up correctly, he dropped a pass that would have been a 1st down.
    ….
    Sooner or later, either the player or the coach has to be accountable for these receivers….

  25. 25 Gary Barnes said at 1:12 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Or the GM

  26. 26 RC5000 said at 10:20 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Jason Peters has 8 false start penalties. He has league leading 8 and next closest has 5. Lane had 7 last year and Peters had 5. Kelce leads all centers with 7 penalties + 1 declined. Peters is tied for 3rd for OTs with 9 penalties + 1 declined.

  27. 27 anon said at 10:21 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    JP only gets tagged with half of what he earns.

  28. 28 RC5000 said at 10:29 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Right but you can say that about almost every LT and many OL. That doesn’t bother me. The way our DL get held?

  29. 29 anon said at 10:44 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    yeah that’s a travesty. not sure why organization hasn’t made a bigger deal of it.

  30. 30 Media Mike said at 5:43 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Trent Williams holds more than he doesn’t and NEVER gets called.

  31. 31 Media Mike said at 5:42 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Should only be 7 for Peters. The one they called on him on Monday night should have also been a neutral zone infraction on the D.

  32. 32 mark2741 said at 10:39 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    How’s Dennis Kelly doing in Tennessee?

  33. 33 ChoTime said at 10:42 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    “The Philadelphia Eagles are still hanging around at No. 3 even though they now have a losing record. They have played their worst two games of the season in the past two weeks, with their DVOA dropping from 30.2% to 20.3% over that time. I’ve written plenty in recent weeks about why our system has the Eagles rated so high, so you can read about that here and here. The Eagles do not have the best DVOA in history for a losing team through Week 12. That distinction belongs to the 2004 Bills, who were sixth at 24.6% DVOA with a 5-6 record. The 2006 Eagles (21.9%) and 1998 Raiders (21.8%) were also higher with 5-6 records. It’s worth noting that these three teams went a combined 12-3 over the final five weeks of the season.”

    also:
    “Philadelphia’s poor performance against Seattle also knocked the Eagles defense out of the No. 1 spot.”

    and:
    “It’s good that Atlanta and Dallas are on top of the NFL right now, but it’s tough to overstate how unimpressive these teams are compared to the teams that led the league in years past.”

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2016/week-12-dvoa-ratings

  34. 34 Tumtum said at 12:52 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    “It’s good that Atlanta and Dallas are on top of the NFL right now, but it’s tough to overstate how unimpressive these teams are compared to the teams that led the league in years past.”

    There really is a lack of power house teams in the NFL right now. I just wonder if they are all bad, mediocre, or really good in the grand scheme of time.

  35. 35 Ark87 said at 5:48 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Are the Eagles to DVOA as the 2016 election to polls? Just completely discredited?

  36. 36 ChoTime said at 10:25 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    No the Eagles are to dvoa what Trump is to polls

  37. 37 Ark87 said at 10:57 AM on November 30th, 2016:

    Dumb mistakes might piss people off, and I get that. But please don’t pretend like that’s the reason we suck. No one does more stupid crap than the Raiders. Hate to sound like our buddy, Shah, but it boils down to talent, and we need more on that offense.

  38. 38 Tumtum said at 12:49 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    If you gave Wentz 4 years experience could you not see us being 9-2? It is a really fine line in the NFL, between mediocre and very good. I don’t think we are all that far on the wrong side of the line.

    Think of all the passes that were dropped because they were slightly behind the receiver, the ints and over throws that are due to a wonky wind up / rushed throw. Think of the QB attempted runs that could of gained 5 yards but he doesn’t realize he isn’t RB and tries to okie doke someone and gets dropped for a loss.

    Sure there are a lot of other tiny factors that could change big things. That is ONE thing that we should all take solace in. Carson has “it”. He just has to refine it. Eventually that is going to cover up a lot of holes. This team around Peyton in his prime probably wins the Superbowl, easily. Let’s just hope that they are able to maintain a fairly competent team around a Wentz who meets his potential.

  39. 39 Ark87 said at 12:53 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I disagree, people routinely underestimate the talent that Peyton and Brady/Belichick surround themselves with, they just remain relatively anonymous with hall of famers in the spotlight.

  40. 40 Tumtum said at 1:08 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I did’t mention the Patriots for a good reason, but I won’t get into that.

    It is pretty hard to deny the cliff that the Colts fell off when Peyton was no longer their QB.

  41. 41 Ark87 said at 1:28 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Peyton clearly mattered, they built the team around him and he ran the show. When they decided to move on they blew it up because it was tailored to him. Even so, Dwight Freeny, Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, and a solid O-line (which was dismantled because they aged along with peyton). There was a lot of talent there.

  42. 42 Tumtum said at 1:57 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    There is a lot of talent here.

  43. 43 Aaron said at 2:01 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    where

  44. 44 truehaynes said at 3:48 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Seriousky

  45. 45 RobNE said at 12:54 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    wow that’s a hot take re: Peyton. He didn’t even win in his prime until they got a real RB. Marvin Harrison isn’t walking through that door.

  46. 46 Tumtum said at 1:07 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Are Marvin and Reggie who they are without Peyton? We will never know. I always felt like the teams around Peyton were pretty garbage. Especially, of course, the defense.

  47. 47 RobNE said at 1:47 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    no they aren’t but they are still levels above our current group of WR’s. The defense played pretty well the year they won.

  48. 48 Tumtum said at 1:56 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    In the play-offs a light switch went on, agreed. This defense is still 10x better than that one. Their opponents were forced into being 1 dimensional because the offense was going to score every time they touched the ball.

    Not sure how you think Edge wasn’t a real RB btw.

  49. 49 laeagle said at 3:53 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Agreed on Edge. Manning had solid to great RBs throughout his whole career.

  50. 50 RobNE said at 4:05 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I thought Edge was who they got, then won. I might be misremembering. Edge was good, no doubt.

  51. 51 Insomniac said at 5:20 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I think it was Joseph Addai actually?

  52. 52 RobNE said at 5:25 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    yes I withdraw my earlier comment from the record.

  53. 53 Corry said at 1:11 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Honestly, both need to be corrected. The talent issue isn’t getting solved now, but the reason why good teams like the Raiders lose is because of stupid play. If we truly want to be contenders, both issues need go be resolved.

  54. 54 unhinged said at 5:28 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    If I believed that coach’s have current roster playing to its potential…or even close to its potential, I would agree with you, but the league has numerous examples of serious talent squandered, and these are franchise profiles more than player failures I think. I do agree that we need more talent, but our “lack” of it is not the biggest problem to me.

  55. 55 Corry said at 1:01 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Fran Duffy has a pretty convincing defense of Fletcher Cox coming up. If you follow him on Twitter you can see the All-22 break downs. Spoiler Alert: #91 ain’t the problem.

  56. 56 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 2:15 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Spoil it for me. Who is the problem?

  57. 57 Dave said at 2:20 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    This tweet sums up the defense during the losing streak.

    https://twitter.com/fduffy3/status/804014862645002240

  58. 58 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 2:23 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Oh, CBs sitting 10 yards off the ball again and giving up 6 yard catches every down. And the other guys on the DL not being able to win one on one match ups.

    Thanks for that. Its a good read

  59. 59 Dave said at 2:32 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    The first part is correct, the 2nd, not so much, according to Fran. If you watch the video for that one Tweet, Rogers got rid of the ball in 1.89, 1.22, 0.83, and 1.17 seconds. Hard to be effective on D line in that amount of time.

  60. 60 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 3:00 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I meant just stuff ive noticed in general this year. Even on deep passing plays our DL gets stonewalled.

    But specifically concerning the ALL 22, the CBs have to make the QB hold the ball.

  61. 61 Corry said at 4:49 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Yeah, the whole unit needs to work together better. Defensive line can mask the problems in the secondary, but when the QB starts chucking the ball < 2 seconds, the secondary has to do a better job.

    And you're right, the deeper pass plays, Cox is getting double and sometimes triple teamed with chips, and no one else seems to be able to win one on one.

  62. 62 Corry said at 3:16 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Everyone else.

  63. 63 Media Mike said at 5:38 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I made sure to direct a few of my friends to Duffy’s work on this. I don’t the abuse of Cox from people.

  64. 64 Daniel said at 1:06 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Couldn’t agree with this more, and it’s what really makes this team so infuriating to watch.

    On the plus side, I don’t know how many times I’ve heard “x player is having his worst season of his career,” and we STILL look better than we had the past two years! Silver lining!

  65. 65 ChoTime said at 1:12 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Last year at this time we were 4-7. This year, we’re 5-6. Yeah, that’s better.

  66. 66 Daniel said at 1:14 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aabe2c63898a64172cfa2045e69ae500f052114a14dc2343ab2c70d402d6cf8d.png

  67. 67 ChoTime said at 1:15 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    heh, I was joking, sort of. We had just lost two games by 20+ points each at this time last year.

  68. 68 Tom33 said at 2:19 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    that Packers game felt like a 20+ point loss for some reason.

  69. 69 ChoTime said at 4:05 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I sort of thought they could win until the interception, but I agree there was a kind of inevitability to this one.

  70. 70 Gary Barnes said at 1:09 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Two thoughts come to mind since I see mental errors more and more in every NFL game I watch the last few years (one of the reasons their ratings may be dropping):

    1. Have the new NFL mandated safety policies related to training camp, preseason and regular season practices not allowed enough time/reps to develop/teach proper techniques?

    2. Has the high level of turnover among the player and coaching ranks on teams led to more errors i.e. if a player has 3 different position or head coaches in 3 years teaching different schemes and responsibilities, is it harder to understand what needs to be done? Or if a head coach gets a whole slew of new players every year, is it more difficult to assimilate all of them especially when his position coaches may have changed as well?

    The off the field stupidity is a cultural/societal dynamic and thus somewhat beyond the team’s control, but perhaps it is harder to build a true team culture due to the above factors and others. Food for thought.

  71. 71 anon said at 1:42 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    A false start is a false start. Same with illegal formation. We’re actually doing great not getting pi called on us which is a change

  72. 72 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:50 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    It’s almost comical to ask our rookie QB to win a shoot out against aaron Rodgers with his WRs being DGB, Bryce Treggs and Paul Turner, oh and if that’s not enough lets put him behind an OL missing 3/5ths of its starters while also having to lean on a rookie RB who has had his struggles in blitz pickup which is essentially the position we put our rookie in when our defense decides to not even show up for a home game on Monday night football… After making the mistake of asking the rookie to throw 40 plus times in the last couple of games, our defense decides to shit bet completely leaving Wentz to try and keep up with Rodgers in a shoot out… Unacceptable. Too many veterans on defense to have such a gutless effort after being dominant all year at home.. And it’s not just on the Players, it starts with schwartz who’s unit Couldnt generate any pressure and his assistant coaches like corey Undlin who’s corners still refuse to turn around tand try to make a play on the ball even tho they have every as the WR does to attack and go make a play on the ball when it’s in the air..
    ..
    What really drove me crazy is once Rodgers was clearly hobbled, losing all his mobility, we probably should have just sold out and chose to live and die with heavy blitzing as soon as Rodgers became a stationary target on his hobbled ankle… Wish we would have seen more plays like Hicks blasting Rodgers like a heat seeking missile.
    ..
    Wentz stats might be diminishing but I might be even more impressed that he isn’t imploding even tho we are having to ask way too much of him instead of placing him in a position to succeed where we don’t have to ask him to do much more than just be a game manager which is basically a big part of why Dak Prescott is having so much success this soon. if Wentz wasn’t so special, things could have gotten really ugly in recent weeks with the OL, WR issues, RB injuries, asking him to throw 40 plus passes.
    ..
    HOWIE Roseman and his new front office and this coaching staff have a lot of work to do this offseason… As frustrating as this season has become, I think the early season success skewed our expectations and is making these second half struggles harder to deal with than if our expectations DIDNT go thru the roof after the hot start…
    .
    We have to keep some perspective and remember that this was basically a foundation year which we hope to be the beginning of a successful era of eagle football. If the season ended TODAYS

  73. 73 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:22 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I wonder what Role scheme continuity or Lack there of plays in our stupid mistakes?
    ..
    Im trying to figure out what lessons can be learned from our Rivals signifcantly exceeding expectations of what I thought they would be capable of this season and im wondering if I maybe should have respected scheme/coaching continuity more, which is one area each of our rivals are ahead of us in..
    ..
    For example: whenever you hear anyone discuss the Dak vs Wentz debate, you will always hear about how Dak is in a better situation behind better OL, with a better run game, and better weapons in the passing game than Wentz,,. But we never really hear about how Majority of the supporting cast around Dak Prescott have been playing under jason Garrett and his coaching staff for years, which comes with years of experience and continuity in the schemes that they run…..where as Carson Wentz is sorround by playërs who are still in the middle of their first season playing under this coaching staff and the scheme changes that these coaches brought to the Eagles…
    .,
    I look at washington, NY and Dallas and what I see is that each of those teams are to some degree benefitting from having a few years of experience playing under the same coaches and the same schemes… The Giants have had the most recent coaching Change of our 3 rivals, but even they hired their offensive coordinator who kept the same scheme in place, and a lot of the same defensive schemes in place so in reality Eli Manning is in like his 4th year of playing in this offense under McAdoo
    ..
    I feel like to get where we need to be, not only do we need the right coaches, with the right talent, but we also need the stability of allowing a core group of players a few years to grow in the same schemes, playing under the same coaches… Without coaching stability, scheme stability, and QB stability, we won’t ever stand a chance of getting back to contender status

  74. 74 RobNE said at 4:03 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    who knows how to measure this, but shows why people already calling for our HC to get fired are nuts.

  75. 75 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:05 AM on December 1st, 2016:

    Yes sir

  76. 76 ACViking said at 4:22 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Miami – new HC, new scheme . . . 7-4

    Panthers – same HC, same scheme . . . 4-7

    Chiefs (2013) – new HC, new scheme . . . 11-5

    Wash (2013) – same HC, same scheme . . . 3-13
    ________________

    No simple answer.

    But stability would be a good thing.

  77. 77 laeagle said at 3:54 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Too soon?

    19: R1P19 RB DALVIN COOK FLORIDA STATE
    42: R2P10 WR DEDE WESTBROOK OKLAHOMA
    74: R3P10 CB CAMERON SUTTON TENNESSEE
    113: R4P10 G TYRONE CROWDER CLEMSON
    137: R4P34 EDGE STEVEN TAYLOR HOUSTON
    152: R5P10 WR AMBA ETTA-TAWO SYRACUSE
    189: R6P10 RB JALEN HURD TENNESSEE
    228: R7P10 DL JOEY IVIE FLORIDA

    Disclaimer: I have no idea what I’m doing

  78. 78 Rob Jarratt said at 4:42 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Are you chugging shots? Since I follow the college game so casually, I have to go with your choices for total lack of knowledge. Might as welll think ahead. With this miserable team, why not?

  79. 79 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 5:11 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I love your first two picks. That instantly changes this offense especially with what FA WR they find. Not sure I would draft 2 RBs though with Smallwood and Barner here.

    I would double up on CBs though

  80. 80 laeagle said at 6:06 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Imagine adding those first two to our revamped offense including Alshon Jeffrey and Josh Gordon! MAKE IT HAPPEN HOWIEZ!

  81. 81 anon said at 7:23 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    undoubtedly oline will get hurt during the year and it’ll all be for naught

  82. 82 teltschikfakeout88 said at 12:01 AM on December 1st, 2016:

    Hurd is more a FB then a RB…

  83. 83 ChaosOnion said at 5:31 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Snowballs chance Dalvin Cook makes it to 19.

  84. 84 Media Mike said at 5:36 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    If the Eagles would win more games than it wouldn’t be too early for you doing a mock draft.

    And you don’t need to know what you’re doing, there are a few folks on here that are really sharp with the college talent who can give you some really good info on the players.

  85. 85 RobNE said at 4:14 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I credit Pederson admitting he shouldn’t have challenged the 2 yard gain, but geez, this isn’t like some advanced grad level fact pattern. Any 101 level thought process analysis (either training camp, before games, or during the game though stress level is higher), one of the first conclusions would be never to challenge a 2 yard gain that happened on first down.

    So I’m glad….but still concerned.

  86. 86 Ark87 said at 4:42 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I wonder what he was thinking. Like was it reflex, saw it wasn’t a catch and challenged or was he thinking it was on the edge of FG range an every yard counts? Maybe a super competitive player turned rookie HC mistake?

  87. 87 RobNE said at 5:07 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    from his quote I think it’s the edge of FG reasoning, but I still find it very, very faulty reasoning. Especially on first down.

  88. 88 Ark87 said at 5:50 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    definitely agree

  89. 89 Tumtum said at 6:19 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Competitive nature.

  90. 90 daveH said at 8:51 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I have a problem withthe ‘ save the challenge to later because the refs might f****** another call that has a bigger consequence later” I find that faulty reasoning and think the Refs suck even more than before .. embarrassing. .if the Refs fucccckkkk up 6 calls a game then coaches need unlimited challenges. .. starting to hate football wa wa wah

  91. 91 anon said at 9:21 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    gotta play by the rules as they are not as you want them to be

  92. 92 daveH said at 10:03 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Yep but dumb is dumb … unless its by the owners and then its collusion

  93. 93 unhinged said at 5:20 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    I can half-relate to Tommy’s peeves. The Agholor alignment penalty is of no consequence to me, because I really don’t care at all about the score. The stupidity starts with the ridiculous pretense that we must play to win, and HOW we get there is not important. If I’m Doug, I am telling every position coach and the DC’s that I want fundamental execution to be prioritized. So Jason Peters gets beat for a sack. Not good, but not a big problem because it is not recurring. Carson Wentz does not seem to be reducing his throws while not set. That is a big problem if his development is taken to be a priority, which it ought to be. He’s got to ignore the scoreboard and focus on his business: getting his feet set, breathing, keeping his eyes moving, and following through (if possible). If DP coached to those ends instead of sweating the score, his players might develop some more intensity. Fundamental execution has to be reinforced by continually harping on it and raising hell when it fails from mental weakness. It also has to be a major topic during a game. Can you get a clean block on 58? That was textbook move to pressure QB… WTF was that? How did you NOT see that blitz?DP’s mood and demeanor can not fluctuate with the score. If he’s got an overmatched player unable to beat his guy, he cannot let the score make him blame that guy. If Eagles go up 2 TD’s and capable players are mentally elsewhere, he needs to raise hell. Getting the attention of a group that all believe they can be “the guy” requires, I think, continually reminding some what he is watching. A guy like Darren Sproles needs no monitoring. I don’t think Peters requires much either. Wentz and most other players need it play to play. If two guys out of eleven are focused and we’re losing, those two players have to get scolded if they try to do too much. One thing I admired about AR, his guys knew what he was looking for, and most of the time – unless they were overmatched, Reid’s expectations were met. I know that sweating the score is what HC’s do, but that can be an insidious distraction from getting compliance and development from the players. The latter should be an indisputable priority.

  94. 94 Tumtum said at 6:18 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    It sucks to say that it just doesn’t work that way. This is a results oriented business. When it is season time the team goal HAS to be victory. Jobs are on the line. In reality, what the Browns are pretending they are doing, doesn’t happen. The Browns will probably hold fast this year, and people might point to them and shout “see! They were only working on improvement!”. No. That ownership just knows that they will never get out of their hole by changing everything again.

    Now I will say, you can bet your ass the coaches are harping on them at all times about reads and decision making. Sure they will even say over and over “set those feet, let it rip” etc (personally I don’t think the problem is his feet at all). They just can’t spend hours fixing mechanics when there is an NFL opponent to prepare for. That shit is for the off-season. Hell, that is for Carson to have damn near strait before he ever sees the coaches when the next off-season program begins.

  95. 95 unhinged said at 11:20 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Yeah, it’s a results oriented corporate society we all reside in, but the psyches and endocrine systems of every last individual can be fragile and vulnerable to distraction. I don’t doubt for a second that the tutelage and coaching sessions throughout practice are full of the best intentions and messages. And there is an underlying assumption that competition and focusing on the end goal will maximize the growth and development in the process. I suspect that there is a limited value to that thinking.
    Maximizing the potential of disparate personalities being coached to perform as one unit must be the basis of improving play on the field. I am not arguing that victory cannot be the goal, I am arguing that week after week of little or no improvement requires a new tack. If HC is in the moment, primarily focused on what is working and what plays to call and what plays not to call, and if the DC and the OC are in the moment and putting the chess pieces in the best places to be successful, the game dynamic is leaving players to their own devices to some degree. The game is the best laboratory to train the minds of the players to zone in on their roles on every snap. If the approach is that training is what happens between games, and the game is the “test”, unmet expectations, i.e., fails and flubs and mental mistakes are all evidence that the the approach is lacking. I am not arguing for all sideline eyes to be on all players on the field on every play, but position coaches may be the best equipped onlookers to take hard, sober stock of what their guys are doing from the perspective of fundamentals. Pete Carroll has every member of his defense trained to tackle effectively, and collectively to swarm to the ball. He has some great players, but, as a group, they look to be playing very close to their potential.
    I expect that if we see a marked reduction of mental mistakes, it is going to begin within a game when a vibe or a rhythm seems evident. An elevated level of play from each player can be an experience that turns on a light. It needs to be identified, and pursued, and vocalized. That, to me, is when guys on the field can be the best coaches of one another. It may be that such a vibe cannot be experienced or attained with the current roster of players, but the mental clarity of purpose of both the offense and the defense is not what it should be.

  96. 96 ACViking said at 7:50 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    If DP coached to those ends instead of sweating the score, his players might develop some more intensity. Fundamental execution has to be reinforced by continually harping on it and raising hell when it fails from mental weakness. It also has to be a major topic during a game.
    ___________

    This is exactly how John Wooden coached his UCLA dynasty teams.

    He never focused on the score. Just execution.

    [Yes, he won 5 titles with Jabbar and Walton. But he also won 5 titles with guys most folks have never heard of.]

  97. 97 Media Mike said at 5:35 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Is this roided up mother fucker for real?

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18173625/green-bay-packers-lb-clay-matthews-says-shoulder-injury-caused-cheap-shot

    Matthews is a fucking piece of shit cheater who also specialized is cheap shots on QB’s heads. Kolb didn’t concuss himself in 2010.

  98. 98 laeagle said at 6:05 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Seriously. I saw that and wondered how someone who has played football for as long as he has, and in particular who has had such a storied history of cheap shots, could possibly consider that hit a cheap shot.

  99. 99 Tumtum said at 6:10 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    What a cry baby. That hit was a dream block. Him not keeping his head on a swivel is just as bad as Nelson not being on the line. Zip it!

  100. 100 daveH said at 8:44 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    He got laid out like Lindros by Stevens .. and Barbre cant hold a candle to Stevens
    Id be completely fine w him lodging a complaint agsinst the refs .. make it official.. call th NFL out on their schitty dangerous handling of the Refs .. the Refs suck and they are dangerous liabilities to the players union.

  101. 101 A_T_G said at 6:25 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Jimmy tweeted out a mock where his top four players were Barnett, Jackson, Westbrook, and Samuel. Seems like Jimmy is living in the past.

  102. 102 anon said at 8:29 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Speaking of living in the past: From TO ““Maybe he had something against me, I never had ill will against
    Donovan,” Owens said. “I think it was just the way the city embraced me
    as opposed to when he got drafted and they booed him, and things like
    that may have weighed on him. To be in that stadium, Lincoln Financial,
    and have 70,000 fans chant my name, “T.O., T.O.,” maybe that got under
    his skin a little bit.””

  103. 103 增达网 said at 7:34 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    今天办公室里几个男女在讨论用避孕套的好处和坏处,男方坚决抵制避孕套,女方大力支持使用避孕套,双方各持一词不分伯仲,这时我们办公室一个大姐问我平日用套套吗?我说:我……我…我都是包皮打个结。当时讨论就结束了。

  104. 104 GermanEagle said at 8:28 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Wish the Eagles had started the season 0-3 before winning 6 out of their last 8.

  105. 105 meteorologist said at 12:06 PM on December 1st, 2016:

    Of course! That would make us 6-5!

  106. 106 daveH said at 8:33 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Dumb moments like us believing .. over and over and over … and dumb like that keeps all the owners living their dream lives at our collective expense

  107. 107 Aaron said at 10:04 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    biggest frustration, not EVER winning a super bow

  108. 108 anon said at 11:16 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    not getting close in the last 10 years

  109. 109 BobSmith77 said at 11:33 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    They got to the ’08 NFC Championship game and if the defense hadn’t blown it late they would have gone to the Super Bowl.

  110. 110 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:45 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Dak Prescott was taken with a compensatory pick………that Dallas probably received because we signed DeMarco Murray last year.

  111. 111 SteveH said at 11:13 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Fuck Dak Prescott.

  112. 112 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:11 AM on December 1st, 2016:

    demarco had other teams offering him contracts besides the eagles

  113. 113 BobSmith77 said at 11:39 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Are their any hard numbers/stats to quantify this though a bit more beyond just raw penalties and yards?

    Has anyone done research to break out penalties back upon concentration and judgement lapses instead of more just execution-related ones?

  114. 114 BobSmith77 said at 11:49 PM on November 30th, 2016:

    Schwartz refused to talk to the media after the game and has been silent this week so far. Certainly didn’t have a very good relationship with the media in Detroit as the head coach either.

    A lot of his personality traits starting in the preseason really lead me to believe that he is ill-suited to be a head coach again.

  115. 115 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:14 AM on December 1st, 2016:

    We are now pretending that it’s common for a DC to talk after the game?
    ..
    Plenty of real mistakes to address, no need to invent problems..
    ..
    Wtf do you care if the DC talks or not? What good is talk when the performance was clearly not acceptable.. You think schwartz needs the media to tell him that his defense shit the bed? Talk is cheap, SHOW ME, don’t Tell me!

  116. 116 BobSmith77 said at 10:55 AM on December 1st, 2016:

    Yeah it has been and every DC in Philly dating back to Carson has done if their was interest & reporters wanted to ask them questions.