Bad Day

Posted: December 4th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 175 Comments »

The Eagles played their worst game of the year on a Sunday when they were supposed to win. Instead the team was down 29-0 at one point, eventually losing 32-14. This is now the low point of the season.

There were very few positives to take away from a game like this. The defense couldn’t stop the Bengals for most of the game. Cincy scored on their first 6 possessions. That’s an astounding stat for a team with a mediocre OL and missing their best WR and RB. The highlight for the Eagles offense in the first 40 minutes of the game was a missed FG.

This was an embarrassing performance.

The 2016 season isn’t over mathematically, but it’s not far off. The Eagles were a long shot to make the playoffs even before today, but it was discouraging to see the team play so poorly in a game they needed to win.

Carson Wentz played one of his worst games of the year. He threw 3 INTs and was lucky the Bengals dropped several others. He made bad decisions and some bad throws as well. He finished the game 36-60-308. Throwing 60 passes was not the formula for winning this game, but that’s what happens when you fall behind 29-0 and have to play desperate football.

A few people hit me up on Twitter asking if they should worry about Wentz.

No.

All players have bad games. That’s especially true for a rookie QB playing in a game without his best WR. It also didn’t help matters that his defense couldn’t get a stop. That put a lot of pressure on Wentz and he didn’t respond well. Please understand that a bad game is a bad game. It doesn’t define a player. Wentz has had too many good games and too many good moments for anyone to panic in regard to him. Wentz is the real deal. I can’t guarantee you that he will be an elite QB and lead the Eagles to titles, but he looks like a franchise QB, someone you build a team around.

Who do we blame today’s debacle on? Everyone.

Doug Pederson did not have a good day. Nor did Jim Schwartz. Nor did the OL or the RBs or the WRs. Or the DL or the LBs or the DBs. This was a bad team loss. Everyone had a hand in it. So how does this get fixed? Can this be fixed this season?

First, the Eagles need some key guys to get healthy. Jordan Matthews is a critical piece of the passing game. The offense missed him in a big way. It would help to get Ryan Mathews back at RB. Wendell Smallwood has played well this year, but Mathews is a better player right now. Getting Big V back at RT would allow Allen Barbre to move back to LG and would help the O-line out.

I don’t know what the solution is on defense. Last week the Eagles couldn’t get the Packers into 3rd/long very much and that made life less challenging for Aaron Rodgers. Today the Eagles got Cincy into 3rd/longs. Unfortunately that meant nothing. 3rd/9 led to a 23-yard gain. 3rd/8 led to a 50-yard gain. 3rd/11 resulted in a 21-yard pass play. And on and on and on.

The coverage wasn’t awful on those plays. There were some where the DBs were in the right spots. They just never seem to be able to find the ball to make a play on it. That’s what happens when a unit struggles. The rush almost gets there. The DB just misses the ball. Someone almost makes a big tackle. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, as the old saying goes. The Eagles D just isn’t making key plays to get off the field.

I talked early in the season about how Doug Pederson had a knack for pushing the right buttons. He made the right decisions and knew what to say to get the best out of his team. That is not the case right now. Pederson doesn’t seem to know what to say or do to get the team out of this funk. More than a few of you want to know if he’s the right guy for the job. We aren’t going to know the answer to that this season, whether the Eagles go 9-7 or 5-11. You need time to accurately evaluate a coach.

Pederson needs to figure out something to get this team back on track. Whether the team can close with any kind of a winning streak or not, they just need to play better. You can live with a loss if you play well, but the other team is just better. That’s not happening right now. The Eagles are playing their worst football of the year. They should be getting better, but that’s not the case.

We all agree the Eagles need more talent, but the current group should be playing better. That’s on the players, the coaches…everybody has a piece of this failure pie.

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175 Comments on “Bad Day”

  1. 1 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 7:19 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Would like to hear some opinions – is our BIGGEST problem lack of talent or poor coaching?

  2. 2 holeplug said at 7:55 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    offense: talent
    defense: coaching

  3. 3 kajomo said at 7:59 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Talent.

    Defense still needs to get their collective heads out of their butts

  4. 4 Insomniac said at 7:59 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    We have some overrated players on the team that needs a wake up call. I would have to say talent is the issue.

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 8:13 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I’d go with;
    Current lack of talent at C, RT, WR, WR, TE, CB, CB, WIL, and DE.
    Poor play calling on O coupled with not meshing the coverage and rush schemes on D.
    Lack of leadership in the locker room so players aren’t being held to account by each other properly.

  6. 6 The original AG said at 8:16 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Coaching hands down.

  7. 7 DarthBanner said at 8:25 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Both.

  8. 8 A_T_G said at 9:52 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Talent.

    On offense, we do not have a single pass catcher that is legitimately good without qualification. Our best RB and playmaker is a 33-year old change of pace guy and most of our current OL couldn’t even win starting jobs on this team.

    On defense, we are no longer able to hide our corners.

  9. 9 Mr. Magee said at 12:29 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Both are an issue right now, but the lack of talent was known; the poor coaching opens up a whole new can of worms…

  10. 10 D3FB said at 7:50 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Talent.

  11. 11 quest4fire said at 8:44 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Talent. Need major help at WR and CB.
    Howie better get it right. This will be the test for him. He’s great at trades but drafting record is spotty.

  12. 12 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 1:47 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Agree. And thanks for input everyone. I was watching our D 2-3 weeks ago and 4 of the 11 starters we drafted. You can’t have 53 1st round picks, so the middle rounds is where the team is built. We have to (sorry to say this) draft like Dallas. If we don’t hit this draft, we will be mediocre for the foreseeable future .

  13. 13 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 7:24 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Doug might not be up to the task.

  14. 14 Media Mike said at 8:23 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    You might be right, but I can’t know that for a few more years. I’m not in a rush to swap out coaches.

  15. 15 Bad Day - said at 7:25 PM on December 4th, 2016:

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  16. 16 Cafone said at 7:30 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Tommy I just noticed your name is on the Eagles website when you hover over “News”. That’s pretty cool. It’s probably been there a while and I just noticed it, so belated congratulations.

  17. 17 Not enough whiskey said at 7:33 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Pederson is a buffoon. Collectively, this team plays like a bunch of idiots. Thats on him and the coaching staff. I can only hope the Lurie brain trust fires Pederson and finds a legit head coach. Other coaches on this team are also suspect but Pederson is making Kotite look like he was marginally competent.
    Absolutely disgusted with this team. I’m starting to not care.

  18. 18 Aaron said at 7:36 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    you need more whiskey

  19. 19 GaEagle1023 - Tom said at 7:45 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Haha!!

  20. 20 Howie Littlefinger said at 7:54 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    The defense has been major let down since the bye week. We face the Redskins without Reed, they still beat us. We face the Bengals w/o their 2 best players, they still beat us.

  21. 21 Media Mike said at 8:11 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    We face Green Bay and the Giants with no o-line and they beat us.

  22. 22 Media Mike said at 8:16 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    To restate from the last thread:

    This team needs the off-season BADLY.
    – Pederson needs to have a former head coach come in and mentor him for a few months. Pederson really needs to self-scout his decision making on play calling, kick/go decisions, challenges, the active roster, the 53 man roster, and the practice squad.
    – There are some dog ass dogs on this team who don’t play hard or continuely play with their heads up their asses. They need to be gone. So do the guys who are stealing money and don’t created a negative cap charge by trading/cutting.
    – There are some roster holes that Howie needs to keep plugging.
    – This team lacks any players who can really enforce professionalism, desire, focus, and overall correct ways of playing. I cannot overstate how the signings of Jon Runyon and Brian Mitchell helped instill a more winning attitude on this team to go with guys like Dawk. Malcolm Jenkins and Sproles can’t light fires under all of these lazy asses themselves.
    Again, I’m not firing anybody off of this game or this season, but there are some straight up bums on this team and the last two weeks were complete lazy bum efforts. That needs to change.

  23. 23 The original AG said at 8:20 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I’m worried that Pederson is hampering Wentz’s progress at this point. He looks like he’s regressing over these last few weeks. Not to mention this team plays without discipline.

    They were totally unprepared to play football today and that falls squarely on the coaches shoulders.

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 8:21 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I can vibe on those worries and placements of blame; but I think they can make some concrete steps to fix that.

  25. 25 Tumtum said at 8:36 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    60 attempts for a rookie is pretty rough.

  26. 26 Media Mike said at 8:37 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Agreed. Doug answering every game question with “pass” as the solution is not ideal at all.

  27. 27 laeagle said at 12:04 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    It’s odd because I felt that this team was pretty well disciplined and prepared earlier in the season. They showed up to play and had a sound plan. Now it seems like someone’s letting the air out of the tires of the team van before it shows up.

  28. 28 Tumtum said at 8:34 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Don’t you think attacking the guys’ character is a little extreme?

  29. 29 Media Mike said at 8:35 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    No. High character players don’t lose like they did today.

  30. 30 Rellihcs said at 4:59 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    So so untrue.

  31. 31 Media Mike said at 5:15 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    If we’re talking about the 46 people in the Greater Philadelphia Area with the greatest level of charitable giving; sure. But if we’re talking about a group on NFL player who keep refusing to pay enough attention to their actions to the point where constantly making mistakes; I consider that to be a character flaw due to not caring to correct a mistake that keeps getting worse each week.

  32. 32 Rellihcs said at 5:22 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Bradham is the only one i say thats true about…(see off-field behavior matching on field mistakes…) which sucks because he is a decent lb who was a good signing.

  33. 33 laeagle said at 12:03 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Who are some of the guys who you think are dogging it? Not saying you’re wrong, just curious about what you’re seeing?

    I’m not necessarily seeing guys dogging it. I feel like I’m watching undisciplined players all over the place. The number of false starts is ridiculous. Whatever else is wrong with our OL, at least they’re mostly veterans. It’s inexcusable. I feel like the LBs and the CBs are a constant parade of bad angles, poor gap discipline, and ill-timed aggressiveness that leads to dumb penalties. Or wide open seams in coverage.

    But I’m not sure I’m seeing anything Haynesworthy from the players. And yes, I just coined that term. I’d be curious to know what you’re seeing.

  34. 34 anon said at 12:11 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    kendricks needs to go.

  35. 35 laeagle said at 3:50 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I’ll keep an eye out. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s dogging it, if he feels he’s not getting the reps he thinks he deserves.

    I see guys like Bradham, trying really hard, but doing stupid shit. So maybe there are multiple things going on. Yay.

  36. 36 Media Mike said at 5:07 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    “I feel like I’m watching undisciplined players all over the place.”

    I’d classify the sum total of those issues as “dogging it.” The refusal to bring mental focus to a situation is a form of lazy.

  37. 37 Buge Halls said at 9:01 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    For the “Mental Focus” Award I give you Jason Peters – Mr. False Start five years running!

  38. 38 SteveH said at 8:29 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Hey… The PT Cruiser was the high point. Hands are legit.

  39. 39 Media Mike said at 8:31 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Makes you wonder why he was cut in favor of the trash on this roster.

  40. 40 Media Mike said at 8:34 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Cam benched by Rivera…………ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. About time they humbled him.

  41. 41 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 8:42 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Humbled him for being that entire Offense?

  42. 42 Media Mike said at 8:45 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    For being overrated and arrogant.

  43. 43 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 8:46 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    His arrogance is Debatable but it isn’t like he rated himself.

  44. 44 Media Mike said at 8:47 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    That’s true! But he’s 27th in passer rating and 31st in completion %; that’s hot garbage.

  45. 45 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 8:53 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Look at their offense. Its QB power or Cam holding the ball for 3-4 seconds until Ginn out runs everybody.

  46. 46 Media Mike said at 8:53 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    QB power is an abomination of a play that dead-ends QB’s careers.

  47. 47 anon said at 12:10 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    league mvp last year. maybe we’ll get reverse carolina syndrome and go from being terrible this year to SB next year

  48. 48 CrackSammich said at 8:49 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    There’s a word I want to call you, but it won’t help anything. The fact that most of the readers here can guess it probably means it’s true. Hint: it’s not a swear word.

  49. 49 Media Mike said at 8:50 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Do whatever makes you feel better.

  50. 50 CrackSammich said at 8:51 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Does your constant negativity regarding very specific players make you feel better?

  51. 51 Media Mike said at 8:53 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    You know you can put word for word my criticisms on Cam right onto Johnny Maziel? So yes, players who specifically play the game the wrong way and behave in a manner like they’re above the game being out of the game would make me feel much better when watching it.

  52. 52 CrackSammich said at 8:54 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Ah, so you guessed my word.

  53. 53 Media Mike said at 8:55 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    You weren’t exactly masking it hoss. And do you also realize the guy playing the QB position for Seattle is one of my favorite non-Eagles in the league?

  54. 54 CrackSammich said at 8:59 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Which you’ve made very clear is because of his off the field behavior, unlike how those other guys act. Wilson’s One of the Good Ones.

    lol at the “I’m not racist–I have a black friend” excuse btw

  55. 55 Media Mike said at 9:02 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    No, that isn’t what’s being said at all. There is a right way to play the position of QB in the NFL. There is also a right manner to conduct oneself. I chose to juxtapose the examples based on race because you launched the accusation.

    Play the game the right way and approach the job the right way and you’ll earn praise. Approach it the wrong way and you’ll be called. I don’t care if your Ryan Leaf or Cam Newton.

  56. 56 Dave said at 9:07 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I’ve found people on this board like to race bait.

  57. 57 Media Mike said at 9:10 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I don’t mind discussing it. I’ve actually been strongly on the defending side of players backing #BLM to the dislike of some other folks.

  58. 58 Media Mike said at 9:06 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    And to follow up

    “Which you’ve made very clear is because of his off the field behavior, unlike how those other guys act.”

    I’ve equated Wilson’s game to Steve Young over and over and over again. He’s, on the field, one of the best 3 to 5 guys in the league at playing QB.

  59. 59 ConcussedFB said at 9:06 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Are you now or have you ever been a member of The Joe Webb Fan Club?

  60. 60 Media Mike said at 9:07 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    That’s Shah’s top guy. And Mr. Webb just got flagged for a 15 yard head butt.

  61. 61 Buge Halls said at 8:57 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Does your calling somebody a racist with no evidence make you feel better?

  62. 62 laeagle said at 11:59 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I disagree often with MM. Quite often. And I also tire of his unbending hatred towards certain players. But he’s certainly not the word you’re not calling him out loud. Or if he is, it’s not because he hates Cam Newton.

    We’ve got enough problems with this team and this country to afford the luxury of false accusations. I think there’s a point where when people start calling everything a dog whistle that we devolve into witch hunts, and that’s not going to fix anything.

  63. 63 CrackSammich said at 2:08 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I understand the current political climate regarding the word, and why you’d think that of me. Too often, the call of racism is used to completely silence someone’s opinion. You throw it out there, and suddenly that target is a nonperson and their argument is forfeit. That’s really not what I’m doing here.

    Very few people consider themselves racist, yet racist acts are done all the time. I wouldn’t consider the people who do these things unintentionally or even unknowingly a racist, but the outcome is all the same. When you lose the ability to call that out, you lose the ability to ever allow them to change. And yes, it really has become overused in our society to the point where it’s reflexively ignored/challenged.

    Specifically to this situation, I get that MM has targets that he hasn’t chosen based on race. He doesn’t hate Barner because he’s black, for instance. But for Cam, yeah, I think it definitely plays a part. He brought it up out of nowhere before the Seattle game comparing him to Wilson, where nobody had said a word about Cam. Wilson, quoting MM, has “talent, brains, humility” (Implying that Cam does not have these things) “but not “swag”, a yogurt deal, and/or a knack for being massively overrated.” You can tell me all of those things might be true of both involved, but it definitely fits with the long running narrative of black players being touted for their athletic abilities and called “thugs” while white players are known for being “cerebral”. You can also pretend like there also isn’t a long running narrative that there is a right way for black people to act that just happens to be when they adopt a stereotypical white personality. You can also pretend that he didn’t bring up these criticisms, again, completely out of the blue, unprompted, without comparing to any other quarterback, black or white.

    So again, a witch hunt is not my intention here. I don’t want MM to stop posting here. I’m calling him the fuck out on his shit, so if he can’t recognize it, the rest of us can.

  64. 64 laeagle said at 3:48 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I’m going to still disagree with you. A lot of people have cast the criticism of Cam as “you just don’t understand”, or “you’re an old white guy who doesn’t get that this is how kids play the game” or other such nonsense. Cam “plays with joy” but it has a certain element that isn’t about actual joy, but more about shaming the opponent. I don’t think that’s a quintessential part of black culture that MM and others are missing; I think that’s just being a dick. That’s what Cam does, that’s what DeSean used to do. And yes, they’re electric players, we love watching them, but when they do shit like that, it leaves a bad taste. And it’s not because people are closet racists, it’s because there’s a certain element of respect for the opponent that those players lack. Glorification of the self is greater than respect for the opponent and respect for the game. Cam Newton embodies that mentality. It doesn’t mean he’s a bad person, or that people who call that out are racist. But it is a definite trait of his.

    Cam’s behavior after losing the Super Bowl was atrocious. If we knew nothing else about him, we saw that. I’ve never seen one period of child-like sulking completely ruin the goodwill of an MVP season like I saw that year. This is the thing that MM doesn’t like. This is the thing I don’t like. You can couch it as unconscious racism, but sorry. It’s not. This isn’t about thugs versus cerebral players. This is about “star power” versus hard work. This is about basic sportsmanship that we all, black or white, were taught at some point in our lives. And the problem is that these lessons were trumped by the power of athletic stardom, the concept that if you’re good enough, if you’re flashy enough, it can somehow become about you and not the team, it can somehow be more important for you to rub the other guy’s face in your success than to acknowledge the competition he gave that made you bring out your best.

    Again, I don’t know MM personally, and as I said, we’re rarely on the same page. But you are WAY off base in your characterization. And again, it’s important in this political climate that we choose our words and our battles carefully.

  65. 65 laeagle said at 3:52 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Oh, and just so we’re clear. What you’re saying is, “I don’t want a witch hunt. I don’t want MM to stop posting here. But I want everyone to know he’s a witch, because I said so. Then I’ll leave it up to everyone else to determine how they think witches should be dealt with.”

    So, yeah, witch hunt.

  66. 66 Sean Stott said at 11:59 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Accusing someone of doing something because you only look at color makes you the racist.

  67. 67 CrackSammich said at 2:15 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    You’re right. Racism in sports only exists because people look for it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M78_HqBMZ4U

  68. 68 bill said at 8:57 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    That word you’re using to implicitly smear MM’s reputation (I’ve always thought when you attack someone’s character, you ought to at least have the integrity to do it explicitly) is quickly becoming the “socialist” of the left. A term that has been so degraded by rhetorical definition creep that it loses all meaning in the general public. Which is a shame, because true racism is something that deserves to be stigmatized. And because stigmatizing someone who doesn’t deserve it tends to do worse than invalidate the stigma – for some, it ends up becoming a badge of honor. It’s a high price to pay for virtue signaling.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/the-scourge-of-the-left-too-much-stigma-not-enough-persuasion/508961/

  69. 69 ChoTime said at 10:42 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    You’re just giving people ammo, CS. The people who think political correctness is the worst thing in the country, the culture warriors. Be smart.

  70. 70 CrackSammich said at 8:53 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I had a lot of things to get done today that I was going to blow off to watch the game. I’d like to thank the Eagles for making it very clear that it was a blow out so early, so that I could get my work done.

    Pro tip: the gym is completely empty on football sundays.

  71. 71 Howie Littlefinger said at 9:01 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Earl Thomas finger wag is funny/ earned

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 9:02 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Certainly more so than our pal #31.

  73. 73 Howie Littlefinger said at 9:08 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    The finger wag weighs so much more on an opponents psyche when its after a big hit vs a dropped pass or overthrow

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 9:10 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Indeed. It would be like Mutumbo finger wagging because of an illegal screen called away from the play.

  75. 75 Iskar36 said at 9:25 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    “I can’t guarantee you that he will be an elite QB and lead the Eagles
    to titles, but he looks like a franchise QB, someone you build a team
    around.”

    I’m sorry, but it is WAAAAY to early to make this claim. After a game like this, is Wentz a bust or anything remotely like that, OF COURSE NOT. But on the season as a whole, he is still a quarterback with clear question marks. He makes questionable decisions at times, throws high or behind his receivers way to often, holds on to the ball to long a times, etc.

    All these issues are certainly correctable, and clearly, we all know he is working with difficult circumstances of a terrible WR corps, unproductive TEs, below average talent at RB, and an Oline with injuries. With that said, “franchise QB” still requires that Wentz produces at a more consistent level and we aren’t just basing things on potential. Wentz has still a ways to go before we can call him a franchise QB, at least in a context that goes beyond simply his draft status alone.

  76. 76 Patrick Henry,The2nd said at 10:47 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    He’s a franchise QB clearly. I don’t think he played that bad a game today either.

  77. 77 Insomniac said at 11:05 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    With the sample size for Wentz so far, I’m going to place him into the potential top 10 QB list. He’s not an immediate franchise resurrection like Luck, Ryan, Wilson and Carr. He’s probably going to be normal. What does that mean? He’s going to struggle similarly to guys like Stafford, Cam, and Big Ben until he figures it out.

    He clearly has issues that might not fully go away even with coaching. He has fooled us with the good start he had but lets remember that he was supposed to sit for a year to fix his mechanics. If he’s still sailing balls and making dumb throws in year 3-5 then we messed up.

  78. 78 anon said at 12:07 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    um please be cam or big ben

  79. 79 A_T_G said at 9:54 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I think the CIN RB should be a target for us this offseason.

  80. 80 Insomniac said at 9:58 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Deep RB class this year, so I don’t think we’re paying or trading for a RB.

  81. 81 A_T_G said at 10:02 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    He has been buried on the depth chart, and shouldn’t be expensive. I don’t think he would be a guy that would preclude drafting a guy. If Mathews goes and Sproles gets a year older we are going to need some guys.

  82. 82 Insomniac said at 10:11 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Which one are we talking about?

  83. 83 A_T_G said at 10:20 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Burkhead.

    But on second thought, I would like to withdraw my suggestion. Fixing autocorrect from changing his name to bulkhead would be a pain in the ass.

  84. 84 D3FB said at 7:43 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Gross.

    No.

  85. 85 ChoTime said at 9:59 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I don’t have any answers as to the precipitous drop in efficiency. I suspect, though, that the league adjusted to the Eagles tendencies on both offense and D, and the Eagles don’t have enough talent, or Pederson doesn’t have enough game, to counter the counter.

  86. 86 P_P_K said at 10:01 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    The drop in production by the D line is what really boggles my mind.

  87. 87 ChoTime said at 10:12 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Maybe the D is a one-trick pony. Get the ball out fast, they have no answer.

    But on another note, there is no real answer for good quarterback play. Rodgers and Dalton are no slouches.

  88. 88 A_T_G said at 10:17 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Yup, that is what I see. When we can have the game in the trenches we are okay. When they can get the ball to the outside we get to see how successful we used to be at hiding our corners.

  89. 89 anon said at 12:06 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    figured out CBs/LBs can’t cover. philly sadly is the same team it’s been.

    Only hope is that vikings continue to spiral

  90. 90 daveH said at 11:49 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Whats w Curry ? I mustve read 1M cooments about him in Schwartzy’s scheme grabbing 25 sscks

  91. 91 holeplug said at 11:03 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Offense is mostly injuries/suspension. What little talent they have there keeps missing games. They went from Lane, who might be the best RT in football to Vaitai, who played his way to servicable, to Barbre who has been a turnstile since he’s not a tackle. Even someone like Huff, who wasn’t even good, could do the bubble screens that is a big part of Doug’s offense is gone.

    Cox sorta mentioned whats wrong with the D after the game. Teams starting to figure out the scheme better. Corners don’t press from combo of scheme and they are slow so quick/short throws are there a lot and then they just max protect off play action. Honestly think a lot of it was Brandon Graham was playing out of his mind earlier in the season and has cooled off lately once teams realized Barwin/Curry suck and they can just concentrate on Cox/Graham

  92. 92 Cafone said at 12:55 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Teams figured out that our cornerbacks are horrible.

  93. 93 P_P_K said at 10:00 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I watched the game on dvr so I don’t know if this has been covered before. I thought it ridiculous that Wentz was kept in the game for that last drive. The Eagles were out of time-outs, down by 18, with something like 1:30 left. Why take the chance of getting your rookie, starting qb injured. In fact, Carson took two big hits on that drive. Did Doug have a bet on the over/under, or something? Pathetic.

  94. 94 A_T_G said at 10:05 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I get what you are saying, but name a QB whom we would like to see Wentz become who would have watched that series from the sideline.

  95. 95 P_P_K said at 8:29 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    You’re right, there isn’t one. Still, I would have liked to see Doug protect the young man by yanking him out.

  96. 96 Cafone said at 12:54 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Because the season was already over at that point. Should they just pull him for the rest of the games? It’s his first year and there’s no real chance at the playoffs, so it’s all about reps now.

  97. 97 P_P_K said at 8:28 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I hear what you are saying but I don’t see how those reps are productive. Cinn was giving away the dink and dunk. If the Eagles were up with two minutes left I would say the same thing. Wentz took two big hits on that last drive. If he had gotten hurt on one of those we’d all be screaming.

  98. 98 A_T_G said at 10:23 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Earl Thomas breaks tibia, tweets about considering retirement.

  99. 99 anon said at 12:04 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    damn. made a bunch of $, has a ring….

  100. 100 Cafone said at 12:57 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Glad we took Graham.

  101. 101 Media Mike said at 5:02 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Then he tweeted out something about Kam Chancellor owing him a steak. I think it was a joke.

  102. 102 A_T_G said at 6:17 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    It struck me more as a prime example of why one shouldn’t make public statements in the midst of an emotionally charged moment.

  103. 103 BobSmith77 said at 10:36 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    This is beyond simply getting this team back on track. This team rolled over a bit last week in the 4th qtr.

    Pederson finally said they were rebuilding this past week and several veterans grumbled about it. This week they simply came out and the basic effort wasn’t there on either side.

    This team is really close to going going into a real spiral and Pederson losing this team for the rest of the year.

    One thing to lose a tough game against the Seahawks on the road. The effort was there but they got beat by a better team, veteran team. Another thing what this team did today.

  104. 104 Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran said at 12:24 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    “Eagles shouldn’t fire nor will they fire Pederson if they finish 5-11.”

    I agree that they won’t, but disagree that they shouldn’t. This is starting to look like the Niners’ Jim Tomsula hire – a nice guy in way over his head.

  105. 105 anon said at 1:11 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    or the niner’s chip kelly hiring

  106. 106 Buge Halls said at 8:50 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    No coach should ever be fired after one year. If the trend continues in the 2nd or 3rd year, then yes. But no coach on the planet would have turned this Eagles team around from what Kelly did. Between dealing players and drafting poorly, it’s going to take any coach a while.

  107. 107 Mitchell said at 11:45 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Round 1 Pick 18: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 14: Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Artavis Scott, WR, Clemson (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Julie’n Davenport, OT, Bucknell (B+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Vincent Taylor, DT, Oklahoma State (B)
    Round 7 Pick 14: James Onwualu, OLB, Notre Dame (C+)
    I think this would be a nice draft to go down. Not necessarily these exact players but position wise. I can see re-arranging picks 3,4,5. This site fails to add the extra 4th we get from the Browns as well, which would be the first pick in that round making it basically an extra third (aka The Howie Special).

  108. 108 Media Mike said at 5:01 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I think we need the Vikings to lose more games.

  109. 109 Tdoteaglefan said at 6:47 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Love this!

  110. 110 Buge Halls said at 8:47 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I like the mix – although with the decimation of the OL, I’d like to see a higher pick there. But honestly, I don’t watch enough college ball to know if any of them are worth drafting that high. Although if we can fill a hole or two in other positions with FA, that would change a lot.

  111. 111 anon said at 12:03 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Went skiing today instead of watching the game, guess i made the right decision. Assuming Paul Turner’s stats were garbage time?

  112. 112 laeagle said at 12:05 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    You certainly did. My brother was in Myanmar for work and stayed up until 4AM to watch that shit show online. That’s loyalty, and a very bad use of time.

  113. 113 Mitchell said at 12:31 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    No, they weren’t actually. He made some tough catches and genuinely looked like he belonged out there. I know defenses will know a bit more about him now but he looked pretty good! Arguably the only bright spot of the day.

  114. 114 Mr. Magee said at 12:27 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Yes, it’s on the coaches and the players, but you can’t fire/replace all of the players…

    I guess we’ll see if the players want Doug and Schwartz back next year – it’ll be evident in their effort and performance over the next 4 weeks.

  115. 115 bushisamoron said at 3:43 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Team gave up. Blame who you want

  116. 116 anon said at 7:51 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    eagles haven’t come back from a halftime deficit all year

  117. 117 anon said at 8:01 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    one good takeaway is that agholor solved drop problem – appreciate doug for handling that well

  118. 118 P_P_K said at 8:26 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Not sure it’s solved but Nelson did have his best game.

  119. 119 Buge Halls said at 8:43 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I was surprised – but happy! It’s almost like he was in his own episode of “Scared Straight”!

  120. 120 myartz04 said at 8:09 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I keep seeing replays of Zach Ertz olé-ing Burfict as he was in pursuit of our young QB. Its disgusting and really epitomizes the lack of toughness and nastiness a team needs to win the super bowl. Need to get rid of these players or find a coach that can demand toughness even out of gutless players. If I am Pederson I am showing the play over and over to the whole team and then I would ask, “what kind of team do you want to be?”

  121. 121 anon said at 8:17 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    ertz went to stanford he knows how to make business decisions.

  122. 122 Mac said at 11:43 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    You know who should be more pissed about this than Wentz and Pederson? Darren Sproles. The man has blocked more than his share of giant sized raging maniacs and is a full foot shorter and 50-60 lbs lighter than Ertz. That’s messed up.

  123. 123 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:18 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    the old cliche that “you can’t measure toughness or the size of a mans heart” is true

  124. 124 Julescat said at 8:27 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    this team has quit on the coaches

    this is why the NFL sucks they pay these guys too much for too little in return.

  125. 125 anon said at 8:33 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    can understand why “rebuilding” is a bad word

  126. 126 eagleyankfan said at 9:02 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I’ve been screaming it all season. People claim they aren’t delusional about a rebuilding year….. I don’t think this is rock bottom yet either. Still a rookie QB. Still a rookie coach(who at this point, may seem to be in over his head – but still time to improve)….this mostly untalented roster isn’t helping Pederson either…

  127. 127 BobSmith77 said at 12:32 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Their contracts aren’t guaranteed and they end up with debilitating injuries and reduced life spans.

  128. 128 Buge Halls said at 8:42 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    We’ve been hearing for three (or four?) years now that “this is the year Ertz will take the step” and become that go-to receiving TE. Why isn’t he getting looks? Is he not as good as all the talking heads tell us, or is it a matter of the line not giving Wentz time to survey the field? And reading that Treggs (who was supposed to be our new “speed guy”) was only on the field for two plays, I’m even more confused.

    Although, with the defense not being able to get a stop any more, the offensive troubles kind of take a back seat. I thought going into the off-season that at least the D-line was solid – it now appears as if it isn’t. Too many holes to fill in one draft coming up.

    Maye it’s time for Howie to start wheelin’ and dealin’ those picks from the Vikings and parlay them into a few more.

  129. 129 quest4fire said at 8:59 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Well guys, the season is over. These remaining weeks we are going to see:

    ** the usual Ertz 10+ catches for 100+ yards which gets us excited about him only to see him average 2 catches for 7 yards for the first 12 games of next season.

    **Jason Peters taking himself out of games, maybe will we will see more of Andrews and Dillon.

    **Darren Sproles getting 20+ carries a game so he re-signs with us only for him to get 1 carry a game next season

    **The return of Lane, where we will beat the Giants soundly and the Cowboys who by the way will be resting the starters; to give us hope for 2017.

  130. 130 eagleyankfan said at 9:10 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    “Jordan Matthews is a critical piece of the passing game. The offense missed him in a big way.” — Not sure what to do with that… JM is a fine, good player. Critical? Yes, critical on a team with no other talent at WR because you need hope….
    He’s critical piece in the future of this team only if they get a major player at WR. I’m not saying elite wr. Eagles need someone to be a threat at wr. If the Eagles do not get one, JM won’t be critical because it won’t matter….

  131. 131 eagleyankfan said at 9:14 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    just a note on Pederson. Not my favorite guy, but we still need to give him time. Dallas HC didn’t start his coaching career in winning ways. Took him time. Maybe there’s hope?

  132. 132 ACViking said at 9:45 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Garrett didn’t have a losing record his first 5 years.

    2010: 5-3
    2011: 8-8
    2012: 8-8
    2013: 8-8
    2014: 12-4
    2015: 4-12
    2016: 11-1

  133. 133 bill said at 10:57 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Them’s the facts, and not disputable. But it’s also true that some of those seasons were seen as massive underachievements; he had a franchise QB, good receivers, and solid playmakers on D. Perhaps the similarity to Pederson starts to show when you consider the weaknesses of those Cowboys’ teams – poor OL and an associated issue with establishing a run game. On the other hand, the 2014 and 2016 seasons are based off of dominant OL play, and consistent run games. 2015 was a disaster because they didn’t have a valid backup QB. The defense for all three seasons has lacked talent, but overachieved.

    IMO, at least, the way forward for the Eagles and Pederson is pretty clear. The difficulty, as always, is actually walking that path successfully. Oh, and it would help if the guy who got a playmaker’s contract actually started making some plays.

  134. 134 Tom33 said at 10:42 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I’d love to have some hope – just not sure what it would be based on other than “he’s not Chip” or “it can’t be worse, can it?”

    If the Eagles are going to follow the Cowboys model, then Lurie should take play-calling duties away from Doug like Jerra did with Garrett. Seems like that would help a guy who looks to be in over his head.

  135. 135 RobNE said at 9:29 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    ok let’s talk about something we can all agree on, Jeff Fisher’s contract extension. I wonder what the Rams blogs are saying.

  136. 136 Mac said at 9:44 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Good effort: to show up on time, be dressed property, and move around on the field on game day.

    Synonyms: penalties are ok, blocking is optional, dropped passes are no big deal, padding the other teams offensive stats is not offensive, at least fans had something to watch

  137. 137 ACViking said at 9:46 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    This is very, very well done.

  138. 138 ChoTime said at 10:44 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    effort is a noun.

  139. 139 ChoTime said at 10:54 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Last year at this time, we were also 5-7, which caused Chip to get fired.

    We have a new coach, new QB–we’ve discarded the terrible, inflexible offensive and get rid of our loser D-coordinator and went back to a D that fit our personnel.

    Only five wins.

    On the other hand, we have a rookie coach and QB. We beat Pittsburgh and Atlanta and went toe-to-toe with Dallas. We have the hardest schedule (which matters, it sure as hell does) in the league, and have played well enough that we were ranked #3 in DVOA. We have played a murderer’s row of good to great QBs (Dalton, Rodgers, Ryan, Eli, Stafford, Cousins, Dak). We’ve done this with a depleted CB, WR, RB corps and Lane’s unfortunate suspension.

    Treading water, or is the needle pointing up?

  140. 140 Tom33 said at 11:05 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    If the needle is pointing up it doesn’t feel that way.

    The schedule for sure has been tough, although Cincy doesn’t count as one of the hard ones, especially with their best player on the shelf.

    Last year they should have beat Carolina on the road and won in New England. Doesn’t mean they were getting better.

    The second half of the season collapse (again) is the most concerning. In years past it was because Chip’s scheme had them on the field for too many plays on defense. This year it just feels like a regression across the board. Not sure how that points up?

  141. 141 anon said at 11:19 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    went from blowing teams out, to losing a ton of tight games, to getting blown out by good teams to getting blown out by a team that’s 3-7-1. I watched the replay this morning, game wasn’t even competitive. Think the OL is so bad can’t run, don’t have decent WRs that can make plays, can’t trust wentz to throw deep b/c of turnovers.

    Defense, secondary /LBs fully exposed. In the beginning of the year coverage was good enough that the rush was getting there. Not the case anymore and we’re consistently getting beat over the top.

  142. 142 Tom33 said at 11:26 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    You are a brave man to watch that replay knowing how it turned out. I tried to do that with the Seattle game a few weeks ago – made it to halftime but couldn’t bring myself to watch the whole way.

  143. 143 anon said at 11:32 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    yeah watched at 1.5x speed. Didnt feel right to spend my week bitching without having watched the game.

    There are some games I watched live (second half of last year) that I just had to turn off.

    What i can’t understand is that we just whooped the falcons. What happened?

  144. 144 Nick C said at 11:35 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    My thoughts on the season and yesterday’s game (Could be lengthy– bare with me)
    1. Carson Wentz is regressing. No matter how you slice it, he has gotten significantly worse as the season goes on. Could it be weapons? Passing it 60 times a game? The defense forgetting what sport they are playing? Yeah, but an inability to adapt and admit that there may be mechanics flaws are a problem. Not saying he won’t be good, but I think we need to pump the brakes on the franchise QB talk because of three good games.
    2. More on QB– this “gunslinger” mentality will not work in todays NFL. Game scores are not 6-3 and 10-7 anymore. Any and every rule created these days benefits offensive play and thus causes disadvantages on defense. You can’t throw costly picks and just sling it down the field into coverage expecting a great play or your defense to bail you out. Look at the best teams. They take care of the ball.
    3. We have significant needs at WR. Not much more to be said. Although the fact that they took so long to give Turner some reps is ridiculous.
    4. CB may be worse than WR in that we need two badly. Not many good ones in free agency either
    5. Barwin is not generating pressure at all in a lot of 1v1s. He’s one of my favorite Eagles, but can’t see him around next year at his cap number. Think we trade him to a 3-4 team.
    6. Give Barwin’s money to Bennie Logan. It may be because he is playing for a contract, but he seems to be on of the few still hustling on defense.
    7. Move Jenkins back to freaking safety, and quit worsening two positions with Watkins and Jenkins. Watkins is not a safety. He takes poor angles, can’t tackle well, or catch passes that hit him in the gut.
    8. OL is old, not very good, and undisciplined.
    9. Move on from Kelce please. Unfortunately he will probably have to be replaced before they do so.
    10. Ryan Mathews is gone. Draft a RB in this deep draft. Too many needs to go after a LeVeon Bell type
    11. The defense is shocking. I don’t know where to start. Quit playing ten yards off every freaking play. We were worried about Jim Schwartz leaving for a head coaching gig, but he may just leave because our corners are so freaking bad.
    12. Bring someone in better or more experienced than Greg Lewis.
    13. OL coach clearly doesn’t seem to be doing a great job either.
    14. Nigel Bradham has made some decent plays this year, but he is a moron. And probably going to be in jail or suspended at some point soon. Kendricks will probably be moved if possible but we could need two upgrades at outside linebacker. Our linebackers could be part of the problem of our pass rush as well.
    15. Fletcher Cox does not seem to be a $100M player. I don’t care what PFF says. He is making JJ Watt money (maybe at the expense of Bennie Logan); maybe the corners and outside backers are that bad but I expect a little more production from him.
    16. Howie needs to get creative in that we have a lot of needs and really not any top tier talent: WR, CB (2), OL (G,C, and OT), TE, Edge Rusher, DT if Logan leaves or depth needed in general, SAM And WIL, and a 3rd safety.

  145. 145 Mitchell said at 11:48 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I would be pretty wary of giving Logan a huge contract (not saying you are suggesting it).There is already plenty of money put into it. I believe the DL could get more pressure if the DBs werent a sieve. I think 2 cbs on the draft, keep Hicks and Bradham. Mays will be back, see where McAllister is at and maybe draft a DE later. I think putting all of the reaources into DL is a mistake especially considering how weak the secondary continues to be.*That was a bit of a tangent

  146. 146 meteorologist said at 11:51 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    I would absolutely go for a stud pass rusher if one fell

  147. 147 anon said at 1:59 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    should be a lot easier in a 4-3 than a 3-4. Well rounded OLBs are hard to find

  148. 148 Nick C said at 12:03 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    We lack top tier talent across the board. I never said draft edge rusher high or give Logan the moon, but if one falls that you have graded higher than everyone else, I wouldn’t be too upset at the pick. We have too many positions that we can upgrade and can’t afford to zero in on one or two positions.

  149. 149 Mitchell said at 12:06 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Can’t argue with someone falling to the Eagles but when all else equal, I would think CB, OL, WR would be a place to lean toward. Not reaching, just keeping in mind where you are weak. Like you said there are too many weak positions.

  150. 150 meteorologist said at 11:50 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Regarding #11, they are not able to press consistently BC mills is too slow and mckelvin is always hurt

  151. 151 anon said at 1:57 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Playing off an still consistently getting beat over the top.

  152. 152 Tumtum said at 1:03 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Just to address the QB portion, before reading the rest:

    Yes the regression can easily be attributed to the 60 attempts. In the 3-0 start this was a run first team, trying to limit Carson to 30 attempts or less.

    I don’t think anyone has kept his mechanic flaws a secrete. That isn’t something that can really be adequately addressed in-season. Don’t forget the guy didn’t play through that the majority of the preseason.

    The seeds for a franchise QB are there and planted. They just have to grow. It isn’t a lock and never was. I think the odds that he has a pro bowl on his resume by the end are far higher than not.

    Believe in 11…really what other choice do we have?

  153. 153 Iskar36 said at 1:24 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    I don’t think anyone, or at least anyone reasonable, thinks Wentz does not have real significant potential. With that said, I think some are making the jump that potential = productive player and making the conclusion that he is a franchise QB already. The reality is, as the second overall pick, he clearly has potential and that you obviously draft him to be the franchise QB based on that potential. However, since being drafted, you have to make a separate analysis. What has he done strictly as an Eagles qb to help or hurt the argument for him as a franchise QB? Early on, he gave lots of signs of being just that, but since the first four weeks, he has not. Considering the circumstances Wentz has faced, it’s ok that he has had some struggles, but a fair, unbiased analysis of what he has done since being drafted suggests that too many questions still remain for him to be labeled a franchise QB any time soon. He obviously will be the starter for the next couple years based on draft status alone, but that is distinct from the label “franchise” QB in my opinion.

  154. 154 ACViking said at 2:04 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    I-36:

    Excellent stuff

  155. 155 BlindChow said at 4:02 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    As the pressure has gone up, Wentz has crumbled. Not a great trait in a QB.

  156. 156 P_P_K said at 1:41 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    At this point, I’m settling for hoping for 11.

  157. 157 BobSmith77 said at 2:54 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Up the middle even if Logan leaves and they need to replace Kelce they are ‘ok’

    It is outside at CB/WR where this team just has glaring needs and bottom 5 talent at each position. Hard to say just how weak the CBs are playing even their health status (McKelvin is a gimp at this point playing on one leg, Carroll has been banged up, Brooks is done, Mills is just too slow and gets help now almost all the time when he is outside). Certainly expect at least 1 FA here next year along with a higher draft pick in the first 3 rounds spent too.

    Rehashed the talent here but it is really the ability of any of the WRs on this team including Matthews to play outside effectively. It is the biggest weakness on this team and where you probably could argue the Eagles have the worst set of players (maybe not potential talent) right now.

  158. 158 ACViking said at 11:50 AM on December 5th, 2016:

    Re: DB Ron Brooks – MVP?

    Nickle back Ron Brooks’ suffered his season-ending injury in game 6 versus the Vikings (Birds 4-2 at that point).

    With Brooks, Eagles’ defense allowed 204 yds passing per game.

    In the last 6 games since Brooks’ injury . . .

    The defense is allowing an average of 284 yards passing.
    ______________

    Losing Brooks hurt.

    What’s probably hurt more is the pass rush against much, much better QBs than those faced in games 1-6.

  159. 159 Tumtum said at 12:27 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Was he healthy in the Ark game?

  160. 160 ACViking said at 12:32 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Atlanta game?

    No. Brooks played in: CLV, CHI, PIT, DET, WAS, MN

  161. 161 Tumtum said at 12:44 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    I only ask because I thought the secondary played an outstanding game.

  162. 162 BobSmith77 said at 12:29 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    If you would have told me a season-ending injury to Brooks in the would be a big issue with this team in the preseason, I would have thought you were nuts.

  163. 163 Sb2bowl said at 12:45 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    I think you are on to something- Schwartz likes to play single high safety deep, but before the Brooks injury he was free to mix and match different coverage as he saw fit.

    Other than Jenkins, we don’t have a reliable slot corner on the team; and I would argue that Jenkins is an average slot CB as opposed to being an above average/elite safety. Especially in tandem.

    Brooks going down hurt, but we are really seeing a lack of overall depth in key spots on this team.

  164. 164 BobSmith77 said at 12:46 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Jenkins is badly overmatched as a slot corner. If I am a QB looking for a hot read and I see Jenkins matched up on my slot receiver at the line of scrimmage, that is where I’m going as my first read.

  165. 165 BobSmith77 said at 12:49 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    This is where this team and season are at right now. Submerged, under prolonged depth charge attack, taking on water badly, and in danger of drowning.

    https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3766174/syn__0015_dasboot.0.jpg

  166. 166 ChoTime said at 12:55 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Pederson needs to get Das Boot?

  167. 167 BobSmith77 said at 12:58 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Kapitänleutnant was a 30-year veteran. Pederson doesn’t begin to cut the mustard.

  168. 168 Gary Barnes said at 12:56 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    In all honesty, I barely made it through watching yesterday’s game. I think the overall trend is clear now – the offense is impotent, the defense toothless, the ST bland and the coaching mediocre.

    This is a mediocre to poor team across the board. Yes, we have a QB with nice potential in Wentz, but as many of us have said many times, this is a team sport and a QB cannot and does not win anything on their own. They have to be complemented with the right talent in all phases to help them perform consistently.

    The good news is the structure and incentives of the NFL allow for quick rebuilds compared to the other major sports leagues and thus we should, if Roseman et al. make the right moves in the off-season with the roster and cap, be able to evaluate whether improvement is happening or what aspects i.e. coaching, personnel, depth etc. are at fault for a lack of improvement.

    If next season is similar to this one, then Lurie will have some very serious thinking to do. Recreating the Reid years is much harder said than done because one has to have, eh, actual elite talent and very good coaching. We have neither right now and it is unclear if we have the people in power who can get us back to that reality. We’ll see, hopefully starting with next season.

  169. 169 BobSmith77 said at 1:07 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    I think they thought they had it earlier this year including the young franchise QB, the experienced defense that was solid and playing well, and solid special teams.

  170. 170 Tumtum said at 1:09 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Very well said.

    I am certainly not ready to jump ship on Howie and Doug just yet. Lets give them time.

    The only thing that scares me is how guys that have been recently signed to long term contracts are not playing up to their contract. That gives me a very 2011 feel.

  171. 171 ACViking said at 2:00 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Re: “the structure and incentives of the NFL allow for quick rebuilds”

    Commenter Gary Barnes, looking for some good news, remarked that NFL teams seem to turn things around faster than in other pro leagues.

    That caused me to wonder which NFL teams — besides New England with Brady and Belichick — have succeeded with not just a “quick rebuild” but a sustained rebuild?

    Here’s what I found, and I’m not sure it’s all that good:
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    Packers?
    – made playoffs 12 of past 15 seasons, last 7 straight . . . w/ HOF QBs Favre and Rodgers

    Colts?
    – made playoffs 14 of last 17 . . . missed only 1x w/ Manning (rookie year), then 3 straight w/ Luck — but missed last year and maybe this year

    Ravens?
    – made playoffs 7 of last 10 seasons . . . 2 conf game losses, 1 SB title

    Steelers?
    – made playoffs in 10 of last 15 seasons . . . 3 SBs, 2 SB titles, 2 conf championship losses

    Seattle?
    – made playoffs in 5 of 6 years under Carroll, after missing 2 preceding years . . . 1-1 in SB
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    Broncos?
    – Missed playoffs 5-straight years (’06-’10) — culminating in a 4-12 season that led to draft of DE Von Miller . . . followed by 5 straight playoff seasons, including 1-1 in SBs

    Cards?
    – missed playoffs 4 straight years after Warner retired in 2009 (though 10-6 in Y-4) . . . then playoffs for 2 years — but may be in for a rebuild again

    Carolina
    – missed playoffs 7 of 9 years after ’03 SB loss . . . then 3 straight playoff appearances — out this year, like the Cards

    Bengals?
    – missed playoffs for 18 of 20 years before 2011 . . . then 5 straight playoff appearances but almost surely out this year — collecting some pretty good talent along the way.

    Cowboys?
    – missed playoffs 5 of last 6 years . . . now look like they’re set, unless QB injury-bug strikes, for the next few years.

    Chiefs?
    – missed playoffs 5 of 6 before Reid . . . then made 2 of 3 — collected some good talent in those down years

    Saints?
    – no playoffs in 14 of 16 seasons before winning the 2009 SB — then making the playoffs 3 of the next 4 years . . . but in rebuild mode since 2014

    49ers?
    – no playoffs for 8 straight years before Harbaugh . . . then 1 SB, 2 conf championship games — now back in the outhouse

    Vikings?
    – missed playoffs 10 of last 15 years . . . and likely to miss again in 2016
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    Raiders?
    – no playoffs last 13 seasons . . . about to change — and looks like for awhile

    Lions?
    – no playoffs in 14 of last 16 . . . Millen era ended after 2007 season

    Bucs?
    – no playoffs last 8 years . . . good chance that streak ends

    WASH?
    – no playoffs in 15 of 20 years since Joe Gibb retired (first time)

    NYG?
    – no playoffs in 6 of last 7 years . . . interrupted by a SB win

    Bears?
    – no playoffs 8 of last 9 seasons

    Bills?
    – no playoffs in 16 years

    Rams?
    – no playoffs in 11 years

    Miami?
    – no playoffs in 12 of last 13 years

    Chargers?
    – no playoffs in 5 of last 6 years

    Jets?
    – no playoffs in 7 of last 9 years . . . back-to-back conf title losses with Sanchez

    Titans?
    – no playoffs last 7 straight years

  172. 172 BobSmith77 said at 3:03 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Nice review and sadly the Eagles 5 of the last 6 years home this Jan too which put the Eagles in company with the Jets/Chargers/Titans/Bears/Bills/Rams. Ugh.

    Eagles have been very interesting this decade (10s) but really among the bottom tier of NFL teams too.

  173. 173 ACViking said at 3:13 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    Dallas missed 5 of the last 6 seasons, too.

    Yet it seems these two teams are far apart in terms of impact, long-term talent.

  174. 174 ChoTime said at 3:11 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    This resonates with something I was thinking about last night… are the Eagles a bad franchise?

  175. 175 anon said at 3:20 PM on December 5th, 2016:

    I was just thinking this. I don’t think so, we’re 2 years removed from two 10-6 seasons and perennial playoff appearances.

    But we have major talent issues -some b/c of chip kelly — but others because of howie.