Know Your Enemy – The Bungles

Posted: December 4th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 30 Comments »

I don’t mean to taunt them by going to the old name of the Bungles. That’s just the way they’ve played this year. Cincy started 8-0 last year. They are 3-7-1 this season, with the only win since September coming against the winless Browns. Yikes.

What’s gone wrong?

A better question might be “what hasn’t gone wrong?”. Injuries. Coaching changes. Underachieving veterans. Underachieving rookies. Struggling kicker. You name it and the 2016 Bengals have probably been hurt by it. Very weird. They almost have a vibe of the 2012 Eagles. Andy Reid’s tenure was winding down and when things went wrong, they went really wrong. That team started 3-1 and finished 4-12. The Bengals started 2-2 and have gone just 1-5-1 since. Is this the final season for Marvin Lewis?

Lewis has done a terrific job in Cincy, building a consistent winner and keeping his players out of trouble in recent years. The old Bengals lost a lot and got in all kinds of trouble.The problem with Cincy’s success is that their coaching staff has been raided several times in recent years. As we saw with Reid, you can’t lose great assistant after great assistant and replace them with the same caliber of players. There is a reason that the Eagles weren’t as good after losing Ron Rivera, Leslie Frazier, Brad Childress, Steve Spagnuolo and John Harbaugh. It feels like coaching attrition is hurting the Bengals this year.

QB Andy Dalton has been tough to evaluate since joining the league. There are times when he looks like a stud and other times when he looks like the lost Detmer brother. Here is an in-depth piece on Dalton, covering the good and bad. Right now he’s struggling.

One of the key reasons is that RB Gio Bernard is on IR and elite receiver A.J. Green is hurt. He is reportedly targeting a return in Week 14 so the Eagles may catch a huge break (Don’t drop it!!!) in missing him. There was a point this season when Bernard and Green made up 45 percent of Dalton’s targets. That seems nuts to me. You want to feed good players, but you have to spread the ball better than that.

The OL has had issues. C Russell Bodine was so bad that he just got benched. RT Cedric Ogbuehi has not played well. I’ve seen LG Clint Boling have some problems. This group has been disappointing after being a strength in previous seasons.

The defense can’t seem to stop the run (28th in the league). In 3 of the past 7 games, they have given up 180 or more rushing yards. That’s not good. When you can’t stop the run, that leads to other issues. Opposing QBs have a rating of 92.2 this season. Sacks and INTs are down from last year. The Bengals have been better in recent weeks, just giving up 56 points in the past 3 games.

It is hard to win close games when PK Mike Nugent is so unreliable. He has missed 5 FGs and 4 extra points this year.


The Bengals and Eagles have a weird history. Cincy won in 2012, 34-13. It was a close game for a half, but the Eagles fell apart in the 2nd half. I think we all remember the highly frustrating 13-13 tie back in 2008. Cincy won in the 2004 season finale, 38-10. The Eagles rested starters so this was Koy Detmer at QB, Eric McCoo at RB and Freddie Mitchell as the key receiver.

You have to go all the way back to 2000 to find the Eagles winning. The score was 16-7 and that was an ugly game.

The best game was back in 1997. The Eagles beat Cincy 44-42 with Bobby Hoying playing the best game of his career. He was 26-42-313 with 4 TDs. Irving Fryar was 7-122. Talk about fool’s gold. I thought Hoying was going to be a stud and he and Fryar would have some really good games after that.


The Eagles will need to run the ball to win on Sunday. The OL has to open holes for Wendell Smallwood and Darren Sproles. Brandin Brooks will be back at RG so the line will be all veterans.

Jeff Stoutland did a video piece on rookies Isaac Seumalo and Halapoulivaati Vaitai for You can see that those 2 guys have the physical traits needed to be good starters in the NFL.


Here is my preview of the game for

This is a game the Eagles need to win.

Ugh. That certainly doesn’t help.


30 Comments on “Know Your Enemy – The Bungles”

  1. 1 Know Your Enemy – The Bungles - said at 1:46 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor I don’t mean to taunt them by going to the old name of the Bungles. That’s just the way […]

  2. 2 ChoTime said at 1:52 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Sounds like an easy win. Pound the rock.

  3. 3 Howie Littlefinger said at 2:35 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    yea but an easy win for who(?)

  4. 4 daveH said at 10:31 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Trap win for us

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 7:13 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    They’d have a few more wins if they pounded the rock more often.

  6. 6 Media Mike said at 7:14 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    While we’re quoting Ian Rappaport………

    So Barwin and what round draft pick to the Saints for Cooks?

  7. 7 Insomniac said at 7:23 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Barwin and a conditional 3rd or 4th with performance incentives.

  8. 8 Media Mike said at 7:26 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    I like it!

  9. 9 Fufina said at 9:37 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    I imagine they would want a fair bit more than that.. maybe Barwin and a 2nd?

  10. 10 xmbk said at 9:48 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    If this isn’t an agent planted story…

  11. 11 Corry said at 7:39 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    This will be our third straight “struggling” offensive line.

  12. 12 Media Mike said at 7:43 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Will it be the 2nd straight week we don’t see any production from our D line?

  13. 13 Aaron said at 7:52 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    I thought we were the bungles, I sense another loss

  14. 14 daveH said at 10:30 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Read it also as we are the Bungles

  15. 15 Dave said at 8:09 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Eagles likely to pursue DeSean Jackson in free agency

  16. 16 Media Mike said at 8:24 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Given his age, production, games missed, and last deal (3 / $24), I’d like to see this come in around 2 years / $12 mil.

  17. 17 Dave said at 8:38 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    This is DeSean, he’ll want $12M per year. I’d be ecstatic with $6M per year considering Mohamed Sanu makes $6.5M. I still see DeSean as a better receiver, even with his age and injuries.

  18. 18 Media Mike said at 8:43 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    I can want an evening with Gal Gadot and Karen Gillan, but it doesn’t mean that’s happening. DeSean had a career year going into his deal with Washington and he’s not coming off of anything close to that now.

    Given the Sanu deal, I can go 2 years, $14 mil for DeSean if we have to, but there needs to be a limit in place for that contract.

  19. 19 Fufina said at 9:35 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Think 2 years 16-18mil with 10mil guaranteed is about what he will make in free agency. Yes age and production are down but he had to sign that last deal at a discount post eagles cut (was way after free agency had spent its $$) and GangstaGate. Combine that with rising cap i think he will get the same level of annual contract or slightly better.

    Problem for the Eagles is there are not many better options out there – Jeffery is going to get PAID – and is an injury/suspension risk and is never going to be worth the contract he gets, Browns have to keep Pryor and can offer him all the money, and after those 2 Desean is the best option in my opinion and would come with the least long term cap issues.

  20. 20 Dave said at 10:35 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    There will be some rookies in the mix, that’s for sure. After watching the Penn State game last night, it seems really weird to see receivers actually tracking the ball and making contested catches, unless of course its against McKelvin, Carroll and Mills..

  21. 21 Fufina said at 10:45 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    I don’t think there are that many instant solutions in this draft – and with all the draftnik’s talking about how deep a defensive draft it is in top 25 prospects, with lots of elite LB’s and CB’s i think we may end up going in that direction as BPA, then come around and hit RB/WR in rounds 2-4.. which makes projecting a rookie WR to start and be good hugely challenging. We need a decent vet to come in.

  22. 22 Dave said at 12:13 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    What do you think? From pff

    Kamar Aiken, WR, Baltimore Ravens

    Aiken was a restricted free agent this offseason who received a second-round tender. Once Steve Smith went down with injury in 2015, Aiken became one of the more dependable receivers in the NFL. From Week 8 and on, he had a minimum of five catches and 48 yards each game. He has just six drops in his entire career. While he doesn’t have as long of a history of success, Aiken is more likely to hit the open market than others on this list due to the Ravens’ cap situation in 2017, as well as the investments they’ve made at wide receiver.

  23. 23 xmbk said at 9:57 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    I have no problem waiting to judge Peterson, but if he really is “a big fan of Jackson’s”, then I’m done with him.

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 8:36 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    I’m feeling like they win today because they put themselves in a bad place in the playoff race. I think they’ll lose again once the door is opened back up for a playoff spot possibility.

  25. 25 Fufina said at 9:40 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    BREAKING: Rams head coach Jeff Fisher has signed 2-year contract extension through 2018.via | @RapSheet— NFL Network (@nflnetwork) December 4, 2016

    WHAT? Fisher must have pictures of Kroenke having sex with a donkey or something – unimaginable they extend him at this point in the season with their current record. Oh and the tweets replying to this are amazing.

  26. 26 Fufina said at 10:08 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    Jeff Fisher has signed extension, as @RapSheet reported. Deal done weeks ago. Rams GM Les Snead also signed extension, per sources.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 4, 2016

    just makes things better and better – bring back the GM as well.

  27. 27 Dave said at 12:07 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    Poor Goff.

  28. 28 BlindChow said at 11:52 AM on December 4th, 2016:

    The defense can’t seem to stop the run (28th in the league). In 3 of the
    past 7 games, they have given up 180 or more rushing yards.

    In that case I expect Pederson to have Wentz throw it 45 times, and only run twice in the 2nd half when we’re down by 3 points.

  29. 29 Dave said at 12:07 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    I can hear the press conference now, “they took the run away so we felt passing was our best option”.

  30. 30 BlindChow said at 12:14 PM on December 4th, 2016:

    “We thought we saw some things there we could take advantage of…”