Down Goes Dallas

Posted: January 1st, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 464 Comments »

The Eagles wrapped up the 2016 season with a 27-13 win over the Cowboys. The Eagles wrapped up the game with a late TD run by rookie Terrell Watson and that put a smile on my face.

This has been a frustrating season. Finishing with a 2-game winning streak and a win over Dallas is a good way to end on a high note. The Watson TD was sweet because this was his first NFL game, his family was in attendance and he’s got such a compelling background story. That TD will mean something to Watson, his friends and his family.

People will point out that Dallas was missing some starters and used 3 QBs. That’s absolutely true. But don’t overlook the fact the Eagles had UDFA skill players all over the place. Beyond that, there were 12 first or second year players getting regular snaps in the game. I don’t think the Eagles need to apologize at all for winning that game.

Jordan Hicks was terrific, coming up with a pair of INTs (courtesy of Mark Sanchez). He also had 5 solo tackles. Brandon Graham did not have a sack, but he was disruptive all game long. He did have 2 TFLs. Nolan Carroll is the one defender who struggled. He was hit with a couple of PI’s and gave up the lone TD of the game. Not a great way to close out a season where you are looking for a new contract.

It was fun to watch Byron Marshall (10-42) and Watson (9-28-1) run the ball. Marshall has come a long way since the first couple of carries in the Ravens game. He looked so lost on those. Now he runs with confidence. He’s proven to be stronger and more physical than I anticipated. Marshall also has a good burst. Watson showed his physicality as he ran over tacklers a couple of times. He has good speed for a big man. Marshall could be part of long range plans. Watson is more of a developmental player.

The biggest takeaway from the game is that Carson Wentz played pretty well and came away healthy. He started the game well, went into a lull and then finished pretty strong. He was 27-43-245 with a pair of TDs and no turnovers. Wentz didn’t have Jordan Matthews to throw to and then Nelson Agholor got hurt early on. That meant a ton of work for Zach Ertz, who had a huge day. Ertz was 13-139 with 2 TDs. He actually did a good job of adding RAC yards as well. It will be interesting to see how Wentz plays when he has skill players he can rely on every week.

There is a lot more to the 2-8 stretch than just Johnson’s absence, but you cannot ignore the fact he makes this team better.

We’ll quickly shift the conversation from this game to the offseason.


464 Comments on “Down Goes Dallas”

  1. 1 daveH said at 6:07 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Jordan Hicks shud replace any WR on offense goal line

  2. 2 BobSmith77 said at 6:10 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I still wouldn’t mind Carroll being back on a 1-yr deal if they can use him instead as a depth guy who largely played in dime coverage.

    Don’t want to see McKelvin back under any circumstance though. For every play he seemed to make in deep in coverage, he gave up at least 2 big plays.

    Still need 2 new CB starters though yet again including one via FA.

  3. 3 Media Mike said at 6:15 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    They were both embrassingly bad today.

  4. 4 BobSmith77 said at 6:17 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Didn’t see the game but I’ll take you word for it.

    Still need someone back for depth though besides Mills.

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 6:18 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Agree there.

  6. 6 Dave said at 6:19 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Brooks and Mills

  7. 7 BobSmith77 said at 6:21 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Brooks is coming off a serious injury and can’t play really outside.

    It makes me sad that Mills might start outside next year.

  8. 8 BobSmith77 said at 6:19 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    He basically is a veteran who knows the system who should be had cheap.

    If it grades out as poorly as you said today along with the last month, they might just move on regardless.

  9. 9 Dave said at 6:20 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    As they have been all season. The problem with both is they have peaked in their career. You really can’t expect either to get any better than they are right now. At least Mills has an upside.

  10. 10 Sb2bowl said at 10:59 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Losing a hammy 2/3rds of the way through the year killed any of his production. We didn’t have anyone to replace him, but he’s at best a 3rd outside CB on a playoff team.

    Carroll is a tough case- we don’t have the depth to not consider bringing him back, but he’s clearly a liability. We need at least 2 cb’s and a insurance slot CB assuming Brooks comes back healthy.

    Lots of work to do and it won’t all get done this year

  11. 11 Stephen E. said at 1:47 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Maybe we should see if we can get that young guy Rowe from NE.

  12. 12 Sb2bowl said at 4:52 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Nah, not aggressive enough with his mentality. He’ll never fly in Philly

  13. 13 Dave said at 6:12 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Reading up on Watson, it’s heartwarming to see how far he has come. I’d imagine he would really gravitate to Sproles considering their position and history of both having speech impediments. I hope he sticks on the roster.

  14. 14 Media Mike said at 6:26 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Being the game today gave me a nice view of how bad the refs sucked. One to the two grabs by overrated Byron Jones on Ertz needed to be called. PI #3 on Carroll was a joke. The one long run by Dunbar was 100% aided by Barwin being held. The play Doug had to challenged was clearly out of bound, but the ding dong refs ruled it a catch for some reason. There was obvious OPI on the on pass Dallas threw short for a long RAC.

  15. 15 scratcherk said at 6:34 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Looks like we’re picking#16

  16. 16 Media Mike said at 6:37 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Kempski just updated – 13 to 15

  17. 17 CrackSammich said at 6:45 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I can’t decide who I’m rooting for. On one hand, I want NYG to win to knock out WAS. On the other, I’d love to see WAS win to tank their draft pick and make them overpay Cousins.

  18. 18 Dave said at 6:49 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I love that they’ll have to overpay him again next year.

  19. 19 Sb2bowl said at 11:00 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I can handle seeing any and Dallas in, but Washington would have put me over the top. Glad they folded under pressure. It allows DeSean to start packing for his move to Philly a little bit earlier

  20. 20 CrackSammich said at 6:50 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    This Red Wings vs Maple Leafs game might be one of the best hockey games I’ve seen in a loooonnnggg time.

  21. 21 Media Mike said at 6:58 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Especially because that bum Ott got violated in a fight.

  22. 22 CrackSammich said at 7:01 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Must have missed that one. I was working, and now I am currently “working”.

  23. 23 Media Mike said at 7:02 PM on January 1st, 2017:

  24. 24 CrackSammich said at 7:05 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Rhonda Ott.


  25. 25 jshort said at 7:14 PM on January 1st, 2017:


  26. 26 CrackSammich said at 7:14 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Why’d they blow that play dead after the INT?

  27. 27 scratcherk said at 7:15 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    DRC gave himself up

  28. 28 scratcherk said at 7:14 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    hard to watch former PHI CBs do well elsewhere…

  29. 29 Dave said at 7:16 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Kirk Cousins has not beat a team that ended the season with a winning record during his entire career. You like that?!

  30. 30 SteveH said at 7:23 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I love the dilemma that puts Washington in. Do they pay him 20+ mil a year he is sure to get? If they lock themselves in they’re paying for someone who probably will never be a top 10 QB, which is awesome.

  31. 31 Fufina said at 7:25 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Love that they are decending into QB purgatory. I am pretty sure that the Cowgirls will end up there with Dak once he no longer has the best OL/RB in the league and elite receiving weapons.

  32. 32 Dave said at 7:28 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Dak Prescott AKA Nick Foles v2.0

  33. 33 Media Mike said at 7:30 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    They have to figure out how to pay him $24 million on tag #2, a 5 year / $100 million deal, or move on; I like that more.

  34. 34 Dave said at 7:33 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    He’s not a franchise QB, but he’s not exactly holding them back either. Sort of like Alex Smith. They could do much worse.

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 7:34 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    But he won’t sign for the Alex Smith deal.

  36. 36 Dave said at 8:15 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Heck no. Your other post is spot on, $100M + is the only contract I see him signing unless he is franchised again.

  37. 37 Media Mike said at 8:19 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I’m chuckling with Cousins having a $24+mil cap charge. next season.

  38. 38 Dave said at 8:31 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    And not having both DeSean and Pierre Garcon. Most likely Garcon stays.

  39. 39 daveH said at 8:50 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Pierre Garcon is awesome

  40. 40 Mac said at 11:54 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I wanted the Eagles to pony up for Garcon when he was a FA (and Boldin, and Steve Smith)… ugh.

  41. 41 jshort said at 7:41 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Like trade for Bradford, or better yet Romo….hehe

  42. 42 SteveH said at 7:26 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Jesus, look at the LA Rams box score and tell me what the fuck is going on at quarterback.

  43. 43 scratcherk said at 7:28 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    we owe them a fruit basket for not taking wentz

  44. 44 A_T_G said at 8:36 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Maybe a gift certificate for a free round of mini-Goff?

  45. 45 SteveH said at 7:27 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Sidenote: I want Brandin Cooks to get diarrhea or something else bad, he’s currently wrecking my otherwise monster fanduel lineup.

  46. 46 SteveH said at 7:33 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    annnnnnd he got hurt as soon as I posted that. I swear I had nothing to do with it.

  47. 47 Media Mike said at 7:34 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Thieves must be punished.

  48. 48 SteveH said at 7:50 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I have 121.20 with Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson left to play…. cooks contributed 3.4. I don’t want anything really bad to happen to him, maybe he’s just out of milk when he pours his cheerios tomorrow morning.

  49. 49 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:37 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    So, next year they will be the Los Angeles Chargers? San Antonio Chargers? Mexico City Chargers?

  50. 50 Media Mike said at 7:38 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Really really sucks. The team should be in San Diego.

  51. 51 Tumtum said at 7:50 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    They should be somwhere they can fill the seats.

  52. 52 Media Mike said at 7:50 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    They did with ease when the product was competitive.

  53. 53 Dave said at 8:30 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I’m not so sure of that. I thought they had lots of blackouts over the past decade.

    Regardless, they are the reality that the NFL is facing. It’s getting harder and harder for NFL owners to get hundreds of millions of dollars for free from the taxpayers. Now that LA has a team, owners can’t threaten to leave a city if they don’t get the money.

  54. 54 Media Mike said at 8:34 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Any public money for a pro sports franchise is brutal. You have to be an idiot not to clear endless profits from an NFL team, you’d think the league could afford to put up its own stadiums. Such a shame this is the sports world we live in.

  55. 55 Dave said at 8:40 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I think the future will be publicly-owned stadiums again. Most owners are not Jerry Jones-rich, they need public assistance.

  56. 56 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:44 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    London Wankers? Vancouver Vegans? Las Vegas Lawyers?

  57. 57 BobSmith77 said at 10:38 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    It should be the Vegas Fixers.

  58. 58 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:53 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    If both the Kubiak and Sean Payton rumors are true, Elway should seriously consider hiring Payton.

  59. 59 Media Mike said at 7:54 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Trade Paxton Lynch for Payton.

  60. 60 Dave said at 8:23 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Or for short, they should trade an X for a Y.

  61. 61 Media Mike said at 8:25 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    or XXY in the case of Lynch’s stupid hipster self.

  62. 62 Dave said at 8:36 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    How did you even know XXY was a real thing?

  63. 63 Media Mike said at 8:36 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    rude friends with medical training.

  64. 64 Media Mike said at 7:54 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    And Kubiak announced at his presser that he’s done.

  65. 65 Media Mike said at 7:54 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    So no we’re in a coin flip with the Colts for the 14th / 15th pick. The league better not screw us out of the 14th.

  66. 66 Donald Kalinowski said at 8:17 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Remember when the league awarded the Jets with the season opener for Metlife Stadium and the Jets owners were pissed since they had put up 50% of the costs and the opener was given to the Giants without a coin flip or vote?

    So the NFL decided to determine the outcome of the season opener by a coin flip- a secret one, held behind closed doors, with a few top members of the NFL organization none of which from the Giants or Jets.

    I wonder what the Vegas odds were on the Giants winning that coin toss.

  67. 67 Media Mike said at 8:18 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    The league constantly cheats for the Giants; it’s vile.

  68. 68 Media Mike said at 8:11 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    So who on OJ’s cut list is getting their spot on the roster sliced off at the neck and who is going to survive.

    I’m going with:

    CUT – McKelvin, Mathews, Kendricks. Kendricks is a late addition due to his weak inactive for today’s game. Dude LOVES missing games for minor issues.

    Reductions – Barwin. I’ll take him at his word he wants to work it out and stay; if he’d like to play for a tad over vet minimum. He’d count $600k vs. the cap if he was cut, so I can’t have him count for much more than that.

    Staying – Peters, Kelce, Celek, and Agholor. – Peters is still playing pro bowl level LT, so he can stay. Seumalo can only play LG or C, so we need one more good guy in here before I can cut Kelce…..but I really want to. Celek’s contract is really bad and renders him way too hard to cut in 2017. Aghlor creates a negative charge of over $2 mil if we cut him; that’s too much.

    Looks like we’re not going to be able to get that much money back vs. the cap for 2017. Time to temper the FA expectations. If we only sign some real basic level dudes, losing Logan for top dollar will get us an extra 3rd rounder as a 2018 supplemental however.

  69. 69 Dave said at 8:22 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I think Kendricks will be here unless Howie can find a trade partner. I’m not sure how a $4.8M cap hit is worth it when for another $1.5M he can at least contribute.

  70. 70 Media Mike said at 8:23 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I was with you until his punk a$$ sat out today and their response was to start the game in nickel. If they’re good with 2 LBs more often than they’re not, then Kendricks can go.

  71. 71 Dave said at 8:35 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I thought he was legitimately injured. Is that not true?

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 8:36 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    With Kendricks there is “legit” and then there is “legit.” I don’t trust him at all after that “day to day” calf before a full month in 2013 when he said “I’d be fine” right when it happened.

  73. 73 A_T_G said at 8:54 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I saw the inactives and thought he was a healthy scratch. That would have been worse.

  74. 74 BobSmith77 said at 9:46 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Still argue that the Kendricks’ extension was still Kelly’s strangest move here. A guy he had criticized and even openly questioned his toughness only to resign him in camp.

    Nobody on this team gets less out of their talent.

  75. 75 Media Mike said at 8:21 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    The 2017 cap is so ugly.

  76. 76 scratcherk said at 8:27 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Why so?

    Have 9 million currently.

    Cuts: Barwin (7.75 million), Mathews (4 million), McKelvin (3.2 million)

    Puts us at 24 million in cap space without any restructuring or Howie magic. Seems like enough to sign a couple good FAs.

  77. 77 Media Mike said at 8:29 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    problems at CB, CB, WR, WR, RB, WIL backer, and LG.

  78. 78 scratcherk said at 8:30 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Not going to fill all those with FA. Some of those will be cheaper rookies.

  79. 79 Media Mike said at 8:32 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Agreed, I just think there isn’t money to add anybody of true impact at any of those position while also filling all of them with rookies and journeymen.

  80. 80 daveH said at 9:15 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Anyone we can coach up or is a scheme fit like what seems to happen w many ex-eagles …
    DRC had a nice season

  81. 81 A Roy said at 9:19 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    With the cap going up, we’ll have around $30M after Barwin and others leave. As you note, need to upgrade WR and CB in the worst way. One of each FA and one of each in draft. Find best available in draft for RB,OL, DE, DT, WIL. We’re one good draft from competing for playoffs and two good ones from being serious contender. Too many holes to fill in one off season

  82. 82 Media Mike said at 9:21 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Amen, but my patience is being severely tested by the fact that the Giants and Cowboys made the playoffs this year with rosters that don’t impress me in the slightest. I could stomach Washington repeating, but not those other two collections of lucky clowns.

  83. 83 A_T_G said at 8:46 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    How much of that is for Logan?

  84. 84 scratcherk said at 8:47 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    unfortunately, we may have too many other holes.

  85. 85 Media Mike said at 8:47 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Zero I’m afraid. This DT FA class is WEAK. Logan will get way overpaid elsewhere.

  86. 86 scratcherk said at 8:50 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Could save another 9 million by cutting peters too…. not sure i’d risk it with the franchise back there.

  87. 87 A_T_G said at 8:52 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    If it comes down to one more year with Peters vs. retaining Logan long term… that is tough.

  88. 88 A Roy said at 9:12 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Check out Dallas. They’re at -$5M. They can save $10M cutting Romo and Free loose, but there’s not much else available to get defensive help.

  89. 89 Media Mike said at 9:13 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    So sad……….

  90. 90 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:27 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I will not miss that craptastic awful SNF opening with Carrie Underwood with the end of the season. Please, NBC, dump her.

  91. 91 Media Mike said at 8:27 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    And all country. I don’t need the repeated inbred openings.

  92. 92 Media Mike said at 8:28 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    But not quite as stupid at the original Thursday Night Football “everybody is welcome in my city” song. That is clearly not true. Only Philadelphia fans are welcome in Philadelphia.

  93. 93 Corry said at 8:29 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    It’s so awful

  94. 94 A_T_G said at 8:49 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I bet Mariah Carey will be available.

  95. 95 D3FB said at 9:11 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I’ve Been Waiting All Day For TUESDAY NIGHT!

  96. 96 Mac said at 10:26 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    They could roll the clip out of her saying “That was… amazing.” at the end of every Thursday night football game.

  97. 97 Dave said at 8:42 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Hey Tommy, do yourself a favor and save this headline for 2 weeks from now.

  98. 98 Ryan Rambo said at 8:50 PM on January 1st, 2017:

  99. 99 Ryan Rambo said at 9:01 PM on January 1st, 2017:

  100. 100 Media Mike said at 9:07 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    So much comes to mind

  101. 101 Media Mike said at 8:45 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    McCoy out in San Diego.

    Add that to Jax, Buffalo, San Fran, Rams, Denver, and who knows where else.

    Should be interesting.

    Also a rumor out there that Bill O’Brien is feuding with that mental midget Rick Smith in Houston.

  102. 102 Dave said at 8:57 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    San Diego is going to be a tough sell.

  103. 103 A Roy said at 9:09 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Yeah, weather stinks.

  104. 104 bdbd20 said at 7:37 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Not so sure about that. Rivers has a few good years left. Stud WR and RB, Pretty good defense with potential franchise player in Bosa. A new coach could turn things around pretty quickly.

  105. 105 Dave said at 9:16 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I wasn’t referring to the team, but the unknown future location of the franchise. San Diego has its #1 priority as getting taxpayer funding to build a stadium. The other 31 teams #1 priority is building a team capable of winning the Superbowl.

  106. 106 bdbd20 said at 11:41 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I think the future is pretty solid. They’ll be the other team in LA. May not sell out, but their pockets will be fat.

  107. 107 Dave said at 11:50 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    According to Peter King MMQB, if they move to LA, they might have to play in a stadium that seats 27,000 for 2 years until the stadium is built. The coliseum already houses the Rams and the USC Trojans. No room for another football team.

  108. 108 Stephen E. said at 1:58 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Well, McCoy could come here if Reich leaves. Not sure he would want to with WRs that make Thrash and Pinkston look good.

  109. 109 daveH said at 8:56 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Gwztapo tactics in philly eagles kicking out reporter and threatened to kuck out EVERY reporter off the premises out of the stadium for speaking too loud.
    Maybe it is a conflict of interest team owners to also own the stadiums (if given to them by the city)
    ..its the most comments ive seen on all season

  110. 110 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:58 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Something tells me we’re not getting the whole story.

  111. 111 Dave said at 9:00 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    It’s just hard to imagine Jeff McLane being obnoxious to anyone in the Eagles organization.

  112. 112 daveH said at 9:00 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    His tweets ?

  113. 113 A_T_G said at 9:03 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    It is also hard to picture someone is such a media-savvy company flippantly choosing to piss off reporters at the final game.

  114. 114 Dave said at 9:07 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Personnly, I could care less. McLane, Les, and Rube, are going to write Howie hatchet jobs regardless of what happened.

  115. 115 Media Mike said at 9:08 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Not to split hairs, but the only guy who actually hatchet jobs Howie is Roob. Les and McLane to their jobs professionally.

    And I’m a big Howie fan.

  116. 116 Dave said at 9:09 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    McLane has a personal vendetta against Howie.

  117. 117 Media Mike said at 9:12 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I don’t read his work that way. I think he’s, rightly, after the organization to provide an authentic chain of command for the decisions they make.

  118. 118 Dave said at 9:14 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I read it the opposite, he gloated when Howie got demoted and would love nothing more than to see him fired.

    The press conference exchange between the two of them prior to the season was telling.

  119. 119 Media Mike said at 9:15 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I tend to get most of my info on the team from reading articles and/or tweets, not the pressers. So I can see how we have two different takes on McLane.

  120. 120 Dave said at 9:28 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Yeah, I love watching the press conferences at lunch when I’m in the office. It’s actually very telling reading the beats’ writeup afterwards. Some are very different viewpoint, but obviously I’m not privy to any of the inside info they have.

  121. 121 BobSmith77 said at 2:31 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    McLane clearly doesn’t think much of Roseman and given the schemer that Roseman is I can’t imagine he quickly forgets any perceived slights.

  122. 122 Fufina said at 5:29 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Problem is that there will never be the clear hierarchy that exists in some media/fans imagination. Process of evaluation is a collective decision, regardless of who has ‘final say’. Do people seriously think that we signed all of McKelvin, Brooks, Bradham and Tulloch, all from just Howie’s and front office scouting? That the decision to trade Rowe was all Howie/FO? Or that signing Chase was all Howie/FO.

    Coaches and individual scouts have a huge role in the process of evaluating talent, and from the outside you can only guess at those dynamics. The only person who needs to know how the internal decision making is working is Lurie since he is the person who in the end hires and fires. Media may jump up and down since they want to write stories but frankly lack either the means and the need to know the exact process of decision making in each personal case.

  123. 123 D3FB said at 9:18 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    McLane doesn’t like Howie because Howie doesn’t give him things. He likes to grind his axe. It’s petty but he’s within his rights to do so. It’s not like ESP going with hot takes.

  124. 124 Media Mike said at 9:19 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Or Roob trying to ruin teams by suggesting they hire Idiot Sean McDermott.

  125. 125 daveH said at 9:46 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Been the same for 1000 years .. then can we expect Jeffey to play the ‘move the franchise ‘ card eventually?
    Does he own the stadium ?

  126. 126 A_T_G said at 9:08 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Yep, and not because they are big meanies and not because Howie is incompetent, but because it is what people want to read.

  127. 127 D3FB said at 9:08 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    If this was some grand vendetta it wouldn’t be kicking out a reporter of a week 17 game in the fourth quarter. Ask Gonzo

    The Eagles clearly have some super strict PR people.Ironically the person that threw McLane out is the former managing editor at the Inquirer.

    It’s dumb. The Eagles were wrong. But the people acting like this is grand conspiracy are wearing tin hats.

  128. 128 Sb2bowl said at 10:46 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I can only find aluminum, where’d they find the tin?

  129. 129 Media Mike said at 9:03 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    The story seems to be some Anne Gordon dolt doesn’t know her role in life and instigated some petty stuff over tough coverage of the team.

  130. 130 Dave said at 9:08 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    She was a former editor (or some other similar job) at the Philly Inquirer.

  131. 131 Media Mike said at 9:09 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    And attributed to the rise of Screaming A Smith while there.

  132. 132 Dave said at 9:10 PM on January 1st, 2017:


  133. 133 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:13 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    That sounds like a completely biased version. My point. Something about McLane getting thrown out for “being too loud” doesn’t add up. Nor does the revenge for being anti-Howie line make much sense.

  134. 134 Media Mike said at 9:14 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    We’ll see what shakes out, but I have a very high level of esteem for folks who write for a living. An even high one for folks who work for newspapers. And the highest one for folks who cover my favorite team.

  135. 135 Anders said at 3:22 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    So you have a high esteem for Marcus Hayes and the likes of him just because they are paid to write about the Eagles?

  136. 136 Jernst said at 11:50 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I know Howie can be kind of petty. I used to sit right below his press box. One game after a WR dropped an easy pass I yelled up in his general direction, “Hey Howie, I’ll toss you up my resume. I’ve got better hands than some of these wide receivers.” Immediately, two security guards descended on me and explained that if I addressed Howie directly ever again I’d be thrown out and lose my season tickets. When I said really? They both rolled their eyes and said, that comes straight from his mouth, if anyone at the game yells anything negative at him they’re supposed to be removed immediately.

  137. 137 A_T_G said at 9:00 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    This message makes me envision a hero, trapped and about to be discovered, sending a secret communication scrawled in the dark and under duress.

    I hope you get out safely. God speed.

  138. 138 BobSmith77 said at 10:33 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    He was kicked out of a football press booth for being too loud or whatever weak reasoning.

    Not swept away in the middle of the night while beating routinely beaten/tortured for a few days before his dead body was dumped on the street or incarnated.

    Typical ridiculous overreaction by the Philly media and Eagles’ fans even if this was overkill by the Eagles’ PR people.

  139. 139 daveH said at 10:14 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Which actually inspires me to ask you, have you seen History Channel’s series “Chasing Hitler”?
    The only proof we have is russian hearsay & 1 lousy photo ..

  140. 140 A Roy said at 9:21 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Anyone notice at the end of the KC game, there had been 4 ex-Eagle QBs playing today? Foles, Sleeves, Barkley and Butt Fumble.

  141. 141 Media Mike said at 9:23 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    F Barkley right in his ear not beating Sleeves. We needed a Vikings loss BADLY, but didn’t get it.

  142. 142 A Roy said at 9:28 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Yeah, woulda been nice to have a top 10 pick. Still, 14 is pretty good considering we could’ve spent the year with Bradford as QB and not know what we had in Wentz.

  143. 143 Media Mike said at 9:28 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    We might get 15 if the league screws us on the coin flip.

  144. 144 daveH said at 9:41 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Do wr know what we have in Wentz now ? Legit or Foles year 2 shead ??

  145. 145 A Roy said at 9:54 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I think we have a good idea of his ceiling. And we knew it was “Foles Gold” with all the dropped interceptions and underthrown completions.

  146. 146 daveH said at 9:27 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I like yoyr angle … how many ex-eagles league wide ? If specifically is the eagles turnover higher than most teams?
    I slways felt andy had way too much turnover and rarely had the coaching to develop undervalued players

  147. 147 A Roy said at 9:28 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Amandola comes to mind…Andy’s bad.

  148. 148 daveH said at 9:40 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Dion Lewis and Patrick Chung .. 3 on the ssme championship team is very strange … wonder if Belichek has any contributing ex Chiefs

  149. 149 Sb2bowl said at 10:54 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Nate Allen still plays for the Raiders. DRC having a great year in NY. Tampa has 3 of our old Wr’s playing (Huff, Martino and Shepard(sp?))

  150. 150 daveH said at 9:23 PM on January 1st, 2017:

  151. 151 Media Mike said at 9:24 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Jillian Mele owning people in that thread is amazing. And so is she.

  152. 152 daveH said at 9:38 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    The story has generated the biggest # of comments ive seen on all season long. .. it would be deserved for jeffey to have an image problem on his hands ..

  153. 153 Tumtum said at 9:30 PM on January 1st, 2017:


  154. 154 Dave said at 9:57 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Here is a little more…

  155. 155 aron said at 10:19 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    thats a mean looking lady

  156. 156 laeagle said at 10:58 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I think 99% of the commenters in the Crossing Broad article need to be removed from the gene pool.

  157. 157 BobSmith77 said at 2:12 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    They certainly make somewhat of a case for bringing back forced state sterilizations for mental invalids again.

  158. 158 Dan said at 11:43 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I read them and 100% agree.

  159. 159 Mitchell said at 9:56 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    What is the general rule for how many great prospects there are before it really becomes a crap shoot? Top 15,20?

  160. 160 A_T_G said at 9:59 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Pretty sure it will be 12 this year, picks 2-13.

  161. 161 BobSmith77 said at 10:13 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    Now it is the Vikings’ turn to massively overpay Bradford.

  162. 162 Media Mike said at 10:23 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    That’s a very ugly $17 million cap hit for him next year.

  163. 163 Media Mike said at 11:04 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    I’d like to thank the Flyers for pooping the bed at the exact moment the Eagles season ended.

  164. 164 CrackSammich said at 11:23 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    A poor first period by Mason and bad puck luck. Flyers outshot them something like 55 to 25. What can you do?

  165. 165 Media Mike said at 5:20 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Wonder why they didn’t avoid the 3 loss failure on this trip that they were warned not to have, AGAIN, this year.

  166. 166 SteveH said at 11:32 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    This Rod-gers guy is pretty good.

  167. 167 SteveH said at 11:41 PM on January 1st, 2017:

    It’s hard to complain much when you win big on fanduel but… C’mon Cooks…. 3.4 was all you could muster for me? Fucking hell. I could have leased a car for what I would have won if Cooks manages a TD and 75 yards.

  168. 168 CrackSammich said at 12:14 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I’m actually a lot more optimistic about what it would take to make us competitive next year than most.

    -QB, TE, Safety, DL, LB are fine as is.
    -OL and RB aren’t completely bare, but could use some resources sent their way.
    -at WR and CB, we have a ton of guys that would probably be fine if they were the 2nd or 3rd guy, but none that you rely on to be a true number 1. If you get a number one CB, you might do just fine with Carrol and a Safety, or Matthews and (for the sake of argument) Desean Jackson.

    I think 2 guys could make us competitive. When you get past that, sure we have needs, but I don’t think going outside of BPA to get them is necessary.

  169. 169 BobSmith77 said at 2:17 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    RB is a big need too with Mathews gone. Matthews injury really hurt but watching the later half of the season makes me believe that CB is yet again the biggest need on this team.

    Seems like we have been saying that since at least ’09 when they Eagles had Samuel & Brown.

  170. 170 CrackSammich said at 3:48 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Some combination of Sproles, Smallwood, Marshall and a draft pick isn’t a terrible RB group. There’s usually a competent FA that shakes lose every year as well. I think the biggest improvement to the RBs, though, would be the credible threat of us actually completing a pass. A true #1 would open things up for everyone.

  171. 171 Jernst said at 8:34 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Yea…that group of RBs won’t win you many games on their own, but they won’t lose you many either. Our current CBS will straight up cost us games. Same with WR.

  172. 172 Anders said at 4:15 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    If we sign Gilmore and Jackson (or Stills) to fair money, add a veteran OL and I think we are set before the draft.

  173. 173 Dan said at 11:28 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Personally, I think the defense held its own even with the poor CB play. We have a lot of resources spent on the line and safeties, people wanting to take a 1st round CB or throw big money at it aren’t being realistic, unless they think this unit can be on the level of Denver. What was lacking was any amount of offense. We need a play maker at either WR and/or RB. Personally, I think if we can get Jackson and add Williams in the 1st round, automatically our weakest position because our biggest strength and changes this offense dramatically. Add in a solid RB in the draft that Smallwood compliments and then add depth is the way to go. Add on top of it non-spectacular but solid CB in FA and we are set.

  174. 174 Sean Stott said at 4:05 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Kicking out a reporter for talking too loud, in a fucking stadium paid for by taxpayers? WTF is this bullshit regime?

  175. 175 Anders said at 4:09 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    He was kicked out for not listening to the staff in the press box. If you as a fan do not listen to a security guard, you will get kicked as well.

    If somebody in charge tells you to stop doing something and you keep doing it, there will be consequences.

  176. 176 Sean Stott said at 1:30 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    The story I heard was that the reporters were loudly discussing a penalty, you know, at a football game where it’s loud and people drink, and the stadium is paid for by taxpayers, and the PR person told them to quiet down, and McClane said ‘Shut up”.

  177. 177 Tumtum said at 1:50 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Press box isn’t loud, and people in there are working (ie. not drinking). That is a place of business.

  178. 178 Anders said at 5:27 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    What does the taxpayers have to do with it? Security can’t kick out gabs either because they paid tax?

  179. 179 A_T_G said at 8:38 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    These “reports” sound like the response when you ask a group of teens why they got in trouble. “Gee, I don’t know. We were just talking and all of a sudden they started yelling at us. I guess maybe we were too loud for them?”

    Somehow, I doubt we have the true story from either side. For example, media claimed that they threatened to throw everyone out if the reporters argued. Not one pressed the issue? Not one wanted the publicity of standing up to the team? That seems like street cred that would last for a long time.

  180. 180 Tumtum said at 1:47 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    There are universally expected guidelines followed in the press box. Sure sounds like they were violated.

    Both parties probably in the wrong here.

  181. 181 Fufina said at 8:03 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I keep flip/floping on what to do this off season but having started to read and watch some youtube (my new years resolution is stop saying ‘tape’ lol), i am getting pretty excited about this draft class and its potential.

    People have been focused on WR/CB/RB, but i would approach the draft/offseason like this: Cut Mathews/Barwin/McKelvin, trade Kendricks giving 26mil of cap (per OTC), resign Logan and a mid tier WR and CB.

    Then go into the draft with the intention of getting a RB/CB in rounds 2/3 where the draft classes huge depth at those positions should leave good options there (minor trade up in 2nd round with a 4th could get you someone slipping out of the 1st – hi McCaffery/King).

    With the 1st round pick go get a play maker. Doesn’t really matter position in my eyes (outside of safety). Adding a DE with elite pass rush potential could make the DL become a real monster. Adding a Foster/Cunningham(Peppers in a dreamworld) to the LB group could make that an elite unit (just look at what that can do for a 4-3 with the Panthers last year). Play making CB could turn the secondary from ok to being fantastic. Cooks/Fortunette could lift the entire offence, or Williams suddenly give us a potentially quality WR unit. (Williams/DeSean/Matthews/Ertz is a lot of quality receiving options). If you love an OL then go build the trenches and try and build special OL.

  182. 182 Jernst said at 8:31 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Love this plan. In no round is it more important to go BPA and get a true difference maker than round 1. As long as we stay out of the super high end FA market. We’ll have plenty of cap space to lock up 2-3 quality starters. Just gotta shop in the Jenkins/Barwin bin and not the Asomogha/Kearse bin. Save that one big signing for when the roster is literally one step away from the Super Bowl.

  183. 183 KillaKadafi said at 9:27 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I hear what you’re saying but I can’t agree with putting Asomugha and Kearse in the same category

  184. 184 Jernst said at 9:13 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Very fair. Kearse wasn’t a bad signing at all. He made a pretty nice impact here and there. Just not worth the money they gave him. I was struggling to find another bad high priced free agent to put next to Asomugha when I wrote it. You’re right though Kearse doesn’t really fit. Let’s pretend I wrote Murray.

  185. 185 scratcherk said at 9:39 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    There are a surprising number of decent cornerbacks becoming free agents this year. Should be able to snag one for say 5-7 mill a year. Spend the same amount on a WR. Still have decent amount of money to work with for depth, resigning Logan

  186. 186 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:20 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    OL, OL, OL. Build the line. The other spots can wait.

  187. 187 Tumtum said at 1:45 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    This O-line isn’t all that bad. Doesn’t mean I won’t take a lineman every pick if they BPA. All things equal though I’m taking the WR CB this season.

  188. 188 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:02 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    JP, as great as he is (and I consider him HOF worthy – easy), can’t have much more left. Johnson is our best OL, but he’s one more stupid decision away from a serious ban. Kelce’s ability and fit with the Pederson Offfense has been rightfully questioned all season long. Neither guard spot is close to being settled. OL is a screaming need, not just for next year, but for building the kind of offense that Wentz can really thrive and shine in for his career. WR, CB, and RB are needs – not disputing that, but OL is a much more serious long-term issue that needs to be addressed. I understand this draft class is not supposed to be great for OL, but it needs to be addressed in one way or another with young talent over the next several years.

  189. 189 Tumtum said at 4:30 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    You arent wrong mostly. If you think Brooks isn’t a settled matter you are sillly. He really was solid too. Lets get a year past this anxiety thing and he will be even better.

    Just always add to it like Reid did and all of those problems will be fine. The way it was attacked last off season is how it should be approached every year. Don’t ignore it, but dont reach.

  190. 190 Dragon_Eagle said at 5:51 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I think we’re largely in agreement in how to approach it, I just have a bit more urgency for this position group. And that is largely because I feel Wentz’s learning curve will be accelerated with better line play more so than any other position.

  191. 191 Sb2bowl said at 10:52 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    OL is weak in this draft. Last year there was some depth but this year is shaping up to be tough. May have to overpay a bit to get the guy we want. Secondary and the Rb positions are deep through 3 rounds.

  192. 192 bubqr said at 8:18 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    “The biggest takeaway from the game is that Carson Wentz played pretty well and came away healthy” – I disagree on this, and once again worry that people see Wentz with rose-colored glasses. He was successful on short, often easy passes, but missed (at times wildly) some longer ones, and nearly threw 2 INTs after throwing from the backfoot in the middle of the field following a long scramble, showing that he did not learn from his few previous INTs where he did the exact same thing.
    Yes his WRs are terrible to bad, but his ball placement on a number of throws (example to a wide open Marshall on the flat) was quite worrying. I know I’m in the minority, but I’m not sold on Wentz as a franchise QB. Yes, great guy, good athlete, poor supporting cast, but I don’t see how people are that confident considering what we’ve seen.

  193. 193 bubqr said at 8:19 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    But yeah, Jordan Hicks is pretty damn good. His burst + hands on that 2nd INT: insane.

  194. 194 Fufina said at 8:40 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    All QB’s miss passes – especially when under pressure. Brady can hit worms or sail passes at times. It is hard to often evaluate where it is the WR running a poor route or the QB not putting it in the right spot.

    Is Wentz the finished product? no. But he put together a pretty exception rookie year considering the situation: missed preseason, was not working with the 1’s in a camp, raw prospect anyway, learning a very complex and not dumbed down offensive scheme, had a lot of turn over at OL and had no outside WR options really at all.

    Go watch Luck in 2012, or Roethlisberger or Ryan in their rookie years – you will see many of the same issues and limitations. No one comes into the NFL as an elite QB or anything close to it – takes 2-3 years to really iron out technique and to start to learn NFL defences.

  195. 195 bubqr said at 1:00 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I think Ryan, Luck (or Russel Wilson for that matter) were considerably better in their rookie year than Wentz was this year: this is exactly my point! I just don’t think his rookie season is that exceptional in that era, yet every Eagles fan seem to think it is.
    His rookie season is a clear step or two below those guys’, yet everyone treat him like he’s clearly on their way to their level. I’m not saying he won’t be good, I’m saying that based on what we’ve seen, he’s statistically more likely to end up closer to Andy Dalton or Ryan Tannehill than to those guys.

  196. 196 bill said at 1:12 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Nope, Russel Wilson was not better his rookie year. He was protected by a dominant run game, a simplified passing game that relied heavily on defined first option throws (and heavily tilted to one side of the field) and wasn’t required to win games, just manage them with the Defense and STs being playmakers.

    That said, Wilson was developed properly. His progression has as much to do with that as it has with his natural ability. I’m not happy with Pederson’s 45 attempts/gm gameplans, especially with the turnover on the line in front of him. Not a good way to develop a young, raw QB (in fact, quite the opposite).

    Luck is the exception to the rule. He’s a generational talent. Comparing to him is like comparing to Dan Marino. You don’t have to be that in order to be a very good QB.

  197. 197 bubqr said at 2:01 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Completely disagree on Wilson – He had 26 TDs to 10 INTs + 500 yards/4 TDs on the ground Much, much better than Wentz. It was a stellar rookie season. Yes he had a good defense and running game but one of the main reason the running game was so good is because he helped opening it up (like every running QB). Saying it’s just circumstances and he was not better than Wentz is crazy, really.

    Most of Wentz yardage came on screens and short passes – while he’s calling plays/audibles, let’s not pretend he’s running a complex vertical scheme compared to Russel’s “easy reads”.

  198. 198 bill said at 4:54 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Most of his passing game was rollouts to the right. The stats showed that well over 70% of his completions were to the right side of the field. In effect, they simplified the game for him (even more than the fact that the run game was the meat and potatoes) and he only had to read half the field, when he had to make a read at all.

    He almost always was playing with a lead, and never had the pressure of having the game completely on his shoulders. Almost impossible to compare the two seasons, given the massive differences in circumstances.

  199. 199 Tumtum said at 1:39 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Carson Wentz
    16 607 379 62.4 37.9 3,782
    Russle Wilson Rookie
    16 393 252 64.1 24.6 3,118
    Andrew Luck Rookie
    16 627 339 54.1 39.2 4,374
    Matt Ryan Rookie
    16 434 265 61.1 27.1 3,440

    —EDIT– oh yeah ben..
    Ben Raper Rookier
    14 295 196 66.4 21.1 2,621

    Considerably better? Not seeing it. Lets not even consider the surrounding teams.

  200. 200 ChoTime said at 1:44 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Those aren’t the right stats. Completion% is going to be high for a dinker, but that’s not correlated with success or skill. Total yards is just volume and based on how many passes they threw. Games started is a skill? okay…

    Check yards/attempt, adjusted yards/attempt, DVOA; then TD/Int ratio.

  201. 201 Tumtum said at 2:38 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I just quickly looked up their rookie season stats without doing a written analysis. These are the primary numbers that everything you want to know is derived from. Sure they are not complete but they are a great apples to apples comparison.

    If the fact that Wentz threw over 200 passes more than Wilson with a similar completion percentage, or that he threw nearly 200 passes more than Ryan with a better completion % (who had a MONSTER Roddy White…), doesn’t stand out as significant to you, mah bad. Seems relevant and important to me.

    At the very least I think they stand for proof that those QBs listed didn’t have significantly better seasons than Wentz. Sure they had better teams, but they weren’t themselves necessarily better. I can’t point to them and claim that Wentz was better either.

  202. 202 ChoTime said at 5:37 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Most people who are interested in stats would disagree that the ones you posted are relevant. If you want to know why, I’ll elaborate. Otherwise, I’m fine agreeing to disagree.

  203. 203 Mitchell said at 9:07 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    You arent gonna poo on my unrelenting, unyielding, unrealistic optimism! Wentz is the second coming and will fix ALL his mechanical issues in the off season!!!!!

  204. 204 Dave said at 9:11 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Nick-picking Wentz is like complaining about the color of a Ferrari.

  205. 205 Mitchell said at 9:12 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Well played “cool sunglasses Dave,” well played.

  206. 206 KillaKadafi said at 9:24 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    He bought them off Tommy, you know…

  207. 207 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 8:43 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I encourage you to sniff around the Chiefs or Raiders roster if you’d like to see a better run franchise’s ability to stock young talent at multiple positions (even if, like the Chiefs, you cut a 2016 2nd rounder already).

    The Eagles are low in talent and aging. I think — think — we’re headed somewhere bad, but not next year.

  208. 208 Anders said at 8:47 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Thats a very pessimistic view on the roster.

    Outside of Peters, where are we really old?

  209. 209 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 8:51 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    We have the 5th oldest roster in the NFL.

  210. 210 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 8:56 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    This has implications beyond age-related decline on the D Line or elsewhere in the coming years — Vets are more expensive.

  211. 211 Anders said at 9:05 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Again, where should the age related decline come from? Graham who is 28? Cox who is 26?

    Most of the core outside of Jason Peters is under 30.

  212. 212 Tom33 said at 9:38 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I think the fair question relates to who the “core” players are.

    On offense you have 3 young guys who you are going to build around – Wentz, Ertz and Johnson (assuming he is done being suspended) – and maybe Brooks. The rookies on the OL may be good contributors but it remains to be seen. I really like Burton, but not sure he is considered core. The rest of the skill position guys, along with Peters and Kelce won’t be here in a couple of years.

    On defense, its Cox and Hicks, and maybe Mcleod. Graham will turn 29 before next year starts, so it’s fair to question how many more good years he has left. Curry needs to play better before you include him on this list. Jenkins just turned 29, so not sure how much longer he will play at an elite level.

    Probably just comes down to how good Wentz turns out to be anyway, but it would be nice to give him some help as he develops.

  213. 213 Dave said at 9:01 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    If you discount our 36 year old punter and 36 year old long snapper, we fall right in the middle of the league at 26.10. Average age of roster is a very misleading statistic.

  214. 214 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 9:44 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Well I COULD argue you shouldn’t discount any key player’s age (Donnie included — he’ll be paid almost the same as Nelson Agholor in 2018, being a pricey vet).

    But let’s take specialists out of it for sake of argument. Where do we stand going into 2018? In other words, let’s skip to September 2018, when I posit the bill will come due for our lousy drafts and aging players under contract. This excludes the 2017/2018 drafts and free agents, but I challenge you to imagine a scenario where we could address all these positions in two drafts.

    RT Peters (36) / Vaitai (25)
    RG Seumalo (24)
    C Kelce (30)
    LG Brooks (29)
    LT Johnson (28)

    WR1 Matthews (26)

    TE1 Ertz (27)
    TE2 Burton? (26)

    RB2 Smallwood (24)

    QB Wentz (25)

    LE Barwin (31)
    RE Graham (30)
    DE3 Curry (30)

    DT Cox (27)
    DT ??

    OLB Bradham (29)
    OLB Kendricks (27)
    MLB Hicks (26)

    CB1 ??
    CB2 ??

    S Jenkins (30)
    S McLeod (28)

    Some of these players will be FA before 2018 and might not be on the team (Bradham, Kendricks, Burton etc).

  215. 215 Dave said at 10:18 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Here are 11 rookies on the roster that are or could be starters/key reserves in the future:

    Name, Position, Age
    Gordon, Dillon G 23
    Marshall, Byron RB 22
    Mills, Jalen CB 22
    Seumalo, Isaac G 23
    Vaeao, Destiny DT 22
    Vaitai, Halapoulivaati T 23
    Wentz, Carson QB 24
    Smallwood, Wendell RB 22
    Walker, Joe LB 24
    Greene, Darrell G 24
    Shittu, Aziz DT 22

    Some will work out, some won’t. But I disagree with the idea that the team cannot fill the voids of aging veterans in the next 2 drafts (excluding free agency).

  216. 216 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:15 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Completely agree those guys shouldn’t be discounted — obviously with the exception of Wentz, we’re talking about players taken in the 3rd round or later. Just because they’re young, doesn’t mean they’re going to be good (or are good now).

  217. 217 Dave said at 11:58 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I guess the problem is that under Chip, nobody on the back end of the roster was really developed into a starter. If you look at the players you named, almost all of them were drafted in the first 3 or 4 rounds. That’s the main thing that has to change. Every once in a while, you needs to hit on a Quintin Mikell-type player. Maybe not as a Pro Bowl player (as not everyone can play next to Dawk), but as an everyday solid starter for several years.

    A few of the late round/UDFA rookies on the roster have a shot to be solid. They just need to keep that up in the future.

  218. 218 Tumtum said at 12:40 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    3rd round is supposed to be a player that turns out. Bennie Logan, Jordan Hicks, Isaac etc.

  219. 219 Tumtum said at 12:39 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Looks like a really young team to me. I do like how you conveniently used future ages as opposed to current ages to further your argument. Something I would do, but a bit sneaky, even though you pointed it out.

  220. 220 Fufina said at 9:26 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Replace Dorenbos and Donnie Jones with young players and they are mid pack…. 1-2 guys move up the average hugely. Most of our oldest players are role players with the only ‘starters’ being celek/sproles/peters with only peters being an every down player

  221. 221 Tumtum said at 12:37 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Lets see who is old….
    Peters, Leodis, Darren Sproles, Nolan Carroll, Barwin, Daniel, Tulloch (omg I forgot we signed him.. Celek

    Here are the big ones driving the age up.. Donnie Jones, and John Dorenbos.

    Now, if I need to go into depth I can, but I think everyone here can deduce my intent here. This is a VERY young team.

  222. 222 Tumtum said at 12:28 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I think there is too much doom and gloom. This team isn’t that bad. Build on the Wentz, Coxs, Bradhams, Johnsons of the team and we can win.

  223. 223 P_P_K said at 8:47 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Tommy, I trust this headline is intentional, I can hear Cosell’s voice.

  224. 224 Dave said at 12:36 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I actually repeated it 3 times in my head.

    Down goes Dallas! Down goes Dallas! Down goes Dallas!

  225. 225 A_T_G said at 2:15 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Cosell, that makes more sense. I was thinking Debbie.

  226. 226 P_P_K said at 7:15 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    The order of the wording is of significant importance.

  227. 227 Mac said at 11:09 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Eagles wish list:

    1. Keep Sproles
    2. Free agents at CB and WR (Jackson)
    3. Draft an impact player(s) (CB/DE) (WR/OL)
    4. Retire: Ryan Mathews
    5. Trade: Barwin
    6. Let go: Carroll

  228. 228 unhinged said at 11:16 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Trying to trade Barwin may be problematic. He’s got some gas left in his tank, but will anybody want to inherit his salary? I say cut him, give him a shot to get the best offer, and I would keep Carroll unless and until he gets made redundant by better talent.

  229. 229 Fufina said at 11:21 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    He has no guaranteed money left and is just $250k in dead money. He is either flipped for a late round pick with a team with cap space and a need (if he doesn’t work out cut him after camp and he costs you $0)… or cut

  230. 230 unhinged said at 3:33 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    My eyes get blurry when I try to figure out player $$. If Barwin has no guaranteed money, what would a team picking him up be obligated to pay? If it is an open negotiation, wouldn’t the team just sign him like a FA?

  231. 231 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:54 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Trading Barwin shouldn’t be a problem. I’d love to trade Chase Daniel. That would be $6 million off the cap.

  232. 232 Mac said at 11:55 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    His QBR is only surpassed by Dontari Poe for 2016.

  233. 233 MattE said at 1:13 PM on January 2nd, 2017:


  234. 234 D3FB said at 4:30 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Chase has been a big help to Carson. He’s worth the cap hit for that reason alone.

  235. 235 P_P_K said at 12:10 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Barwin is one of my all-time favorite Eagles. I hope they find a way to keep him.

  236. 236 Tumtum said at 12:27 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Even though he is a liability?

  237. 237 P_P_K said at 12:30 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Yup. Emotions override logic.

  238. 238 Tumtum said at 12:27 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    That would all work nicely for me … other than the ( ) on 2.

  239. 239 Mac said at 12:39 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I’m far from all in on Jackson.

  240. 240 anon said at 11:10 AM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Kempski basically murdered Nolan Carroll in his article – we can probably leave him out of future conversations.

  241. 241 P_P_K said at 12:09 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Carroll would probably like to leave Kempski out of the conversation.

  242. 242 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:01 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Vinny Curry, Chase Daniel, and Mychal Kendricks are expected to take $24 million in cap space next year and the Eagles can’t really save much by cutting them.

    Barwin, Matthews, and McKelvin are most likely gone.

  243. 243 Tumtum said at 12:26 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Strange so many people list Daniel when talking about salaries to cut. Does that assume that he was not signed to be the back up?

  244. 244 P_P_K said at 12:11 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    After watching Marshall and Winston last night, do you guys think we are set at RB?

  245. 245 Tumtum said at 12:25 PM on January 2nd, 2017:


  246. 246 Ryan Rambo said at 12:36 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Lol…watch Zeke and then ask that question again.

  247. 247 P_P_K said at 7:11 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Do you think the Eagles should use their 1st round pick for an RB, like Dallas?

  248. 248 Ryan Rambo said at 7:53 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I don’t know enough to say yes or no to that. The greedy part of me wants an impact RB, especially now that Dallas has theirs AND the qb, but I know you can get value in later rounds. I just want a dynamic player at both RB and WR like we did before Chip. The guys we have now are just complimentary. What about you??

  249. 249 P_P_K said at 9:54 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Since you asked, I will reveal my extremely minority opinion which, based on all the feedback I have ever gotten, indicates I am an idiot
    My opinion is: If you have the chance to take a superior talent at RB, go all in. Dallas is a case in point. Zeke makes everything about that Offense operate at a higher level. I’ll bet he would do the same on any team. A Pro-Bowl RB makes the O line look better, and is immense help to a game plan, to the QB, and the WRs.
    I’ll step in even deeper sh*t. I was hoping the Eagles would keep Sammy and trade up to take Zeke. That’s how strongly I like an elite RB. I know all the counter arguments and they are solid. I also hate the idea that Elliott is going to be torching the Eagles for another 10 games over the upcoming season.
    After these admissions, I’ll have to change my user name, avatar, and skip town before the others come for me with pitchforks and torches.

  250. 250 Mitchell said at 12:37 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I would feel much better spending a 3rd or the first 4th on a bell cow RB. They have plenty of depth though.

  251. 251 bill said at 1:02 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Dallas’s defense is horrendous. Especially when the offense doesn’t dominate possession and the scoreboard. Add in the fact that they weren’t playing for anything this game, and it’s tough to project anything that happened this game into the future. Marshall can be a nice depth guy, Watson may have a role if he accepts it. But they still need a playmaker to make defenses respect the run game.

  252. 252 Dave said at 12:33 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Oof! This is the real reason the team lost 9 games. Not sure how people defend Nolan Carroll and want him back.

  253. 253 Patrick said at 12:39 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    That seems awfully high for McKelvin who arguable got burned and attacked the most of any Eagles CB. Little rough for Mills too.

  254. 254 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:58 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    My problem with PFF rankings and stats is that people take them as gospel and don’t consider circumstances to those numbers or how those stats were generated.

    Nolan Carroll isn’t great but there are not 108 CB better than him.

  255. 255 Dave said at 2:51 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    2 things ring true about Nolan Carroll

    1.) More often than not, he was in good position to make a play.
    2.) More often than not, he did not make a play on the ball, allowing the receiver to catch it.

    By contrast, Mills and McKelvin always seemed to be trailing the open receiver.

  256. 256 MattE said at 1:17 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    seems awfully brutal on Mills. Thought he flashed some talent here and there.

  257. 257 Sean Stott said at 1:32 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Was thinking the same. No way is he the worst corner, come on…

  258. 258 Tumtum said at 2:50 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Poor kid lol. Maybe we are wrong that he has potential.

  259. 259 BobSmith77 said at 4:53 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    He got beat like a drum repeatedly and by the end of the season was getting constant safety help on any intermediate or deeper route.

    He is an a starting CB outside next year this defense has a huge red flag already.

    It was really disheartening to watch WR simply just run right by Mills even if he had a 8 to 10 yard cushion. Not move, no shake and bake. Just simply run a fly route and or a deep post and run right past him.

    Hearing Schwartz praise him too really made me scratch my head a bit too in regards to how Schwartz evaluates his CBs too.

  260. 260 Gary Barnes said at 1:12 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Hope Tommy and everyone else had healthy and happy holidays with family and friends.

    Having not been able to comment on several topics recently, I’ll throw my $.02 in on them now:

    1. Just say no to DJax. His nickname is MeSean for a reason and he proved while here that he would pout/give up when not given everything he wanted and is largely a one trick pony WR. He is also inconsistent week to week and can check out mentally at any time. If it is a short term deal for small $, ok, but no more than that.

    2. Just say no to extending Nolan Carroll unless it is extending him an invitation to leave. He is the epitome of a mediocre, run of the mill pedestrian CB we have focused on due to our poor drafting and development and over allocation of cap at other positions. The last impact starting CB we’ve drafted were Lito and Brown back in 2002!!! That is insanely bad and must be fixed.

    3. Hopefully, no one mistakes this win vs Dallas when they had zero play for and rested many of their starters as anything significant. Yes, the Eagles played hard etc., but that is the bare minimum at this level. The game vs Dallas we needed to win was the first encounter when we blew a 10 pt lead in the 4th quarter.

    4. I remain firmly convinced the Eagles ownership and management have to tweak or develop a comprehensive strategy for how this team is going to be constructed and how it is going to win games. I still have no idea what Roseman’s philosophy or strategy is concerning the roster positions and cap allocations. Most of our cap is in the DL and QB, but besides Wentz, Cox and Graham we got precious little return on those investments. Meanwhile, critical positions like CB, OL, WR and RB have been papered over with mediocrity.

    These are also not new issues, CB and OG in particular have been problems for several seasons in a row now. Our secondary has been among the league worst since 2013. Our WR have been sub-par for years now. This off-season needs to be a great one; the fat needs to be cut and priorities identified and followed through on. I want to see a plan for how in 2-3 years we are going to be consistent contenders. We need to nail the draft and be smart about FA. Lurie needs to make sure it is clear internally results have to start coming soon. We need to win while Wentz is on his rookie deal. We have not made the playoffs since 2013 and not won one since 2008.

  261. 261 Tumtum said at 2:49 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Good stuff. Still disagree on 4, but we have been over that :). Happy Holidays, Goodwill, and all that other crap to you too buddy!

  262. 262 bill said at 4:47 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    They took a swing on Chip Kelly, and that obviously was a big miss. But part of that swing was buying into his whole program vision. Don’t think it’s fair to group it all together like that. Have to see how things go forward with Howie clearly established as the top of the pyramid.

  263. 263 Gary Barnes said at 8:49 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    For probably the 538th time, we’ve already seen Roseman on the top of the pyramid. He was in full control in 2013 and 2014 and 2016.

    He was also very near the top and had a lot of input under Reid from 2009-2012.

    Roseman is NOT a new person to the organization or someone getting his first shot. He has been with the Eagles for 10+ years and, again, had already been given a shot at full control.

    Yes, 2015 was on Chip, but many of the problems we’re facing started earlier and Roseman has not solved them either.

    Should he get more time? Sure, I’d give him 2, maybe 3 max, years more and then we need to be a consistently competitive contender for the ring for him to stay. If not, he got multiple chances, failed and we need to find a better option.

  264. 264 bill said at 3:55 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Repetition doesn’t establish truth, except, apparently, in politics. While you’re convinced Howie had unfettered control in 2013 and 14, I’m far from it. At the very least, he was picking guys according to Chip’s preferences. He had the ability, apparently, to move guys around the board in terms of where they’d be available, but the types of players valued was heavily influenced by the coach and his projected scheme needs. Now that they have left that coach and his schemes behind completely, both on offense and on defense, it’s unsurprising that there isn’t more depth on the team. Changing schemes does that.

    I think the level of control Howie has now is a level he hasn’t had previously. He still needs to pick according to the schemes being run, but I think Howie was heavily involved in choosing those schemes as part of his vision for the team. I think Doug is very much “under” Howie, which wasn’t true of Andy or Chip. This org chart is much more Baltimore or Pittsburgh than New England.

  265. 265 Gary Barnes said at 5:33 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    It was at the time and still is widely acknowledged that Roseman had final say in both 2013 and 2014. He over-rode Chip on draft picks as was again widely reported and put the roster together. The claim Roseman only did what Chip told him to or only got guys Chip wanted is laughable.

    That is why, in 2015, Chip went to Lurie to get that power taken away from Roseman and given to him instead. If Chip had final say or Roseman was only doing what Chip told him to do, he would not have needed to make the power play that he did.

    It needs to be repeated because some feel the need to rewrite history and constantly make excuses for Roseman. Roseman still needs to prove he can put together a roster that can win in the playoffs and challenge for the ring. We’ll see if he can do it better this time.

  266. 266 MattE said at 1:23 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    ….when you think about it the only guys Chip hit on were Lane Johnson and Jordan Hicks.

    JMatt mediocre for a 2nd rd talent in one of the most prolific WR heavy drafts ever.

    we got a lot of work to do in regards to the draft, we can not afford another bad draft. I think bad drafting has hurt us more than any other transactions in recent years.

  267. 267 Sean Stott said at 1:32 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Bennie Logan was excellent 3rd round value, Ertz was very good 2nd round value, Beau Allen was outstanding 7th round value

  268. 268 daveH said at 1:43 PM on January 2nd, 2017:


  269. 269 laeagle said at 1:59 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    You can’t dispute a discussion about who Chip hit on by listing who he missed on. That’s silly. if the discussion was, “Chip hit on more than he missed”, then fine, bring up who he missed on.

    The original point was that Chip ONLY hit on Johnson and Hicks. Has nothing to do with who he missed on. But the original point is also incorrect, because as others have stated, he also hit on Ertz, Logan, and arguably Allen.

  270. 270 daveH said at 2:32 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    True. Its just too irresistible to type Agholar all by itself and see what reaction it gets.
    Afterall his name is like locked into my auto type

  271. 271 A_T_G said at 2:37 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    You might want to unlock that auto type…

  272. 272 daveH said at 2:46 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Unfortunately wikipedia still has him listed as an Eagle.
    And, first writer to inquire about his ankle condition loses fan credibility

  273. 273 A_T_G said at 3:18 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I only meant the spelling of your auto-correct.

  274. 274 daveH said at 3:44 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Ha!! Yes .. or. Not ar .. from Lagos …
    its the operating system decision not mine. Its not based on what i type .. ive typed igglesblitz 5million times and it still auto prompts iggy izslea every time

  275. 275 MattE said at 2:36 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I love Ertz but I think he has under-performed his hype thus far, he is good, but has not fully taken over a game, per se (Travis Kelce took over games at TE this year).

    Logan/Allen I agree, but have either of them become game changers either (how many DT’s truly do)?

    When I say “HIT” I mean guys that might be All-Pro/Pro-Bowlers, not everyday solid starters. Hicks and Johnson have played beyond their expectations from a pure eye test standpoint.

    Ertz was a 2nd Rd’er, but he just doesn’t scream physical dominance that other TE’s project (Kelce/Gronk/Bennett) currently, maybe that changes.

  276. 276 Tumtum said at 2:46 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    While I think Ertz should be as good as he is in meaningless games, during important games, he is still pretty damn solid. He looks even better when he gets compared to all of the recently drafted TEs not named Kelce. Maybe the guy in Cinn will be better? He isn’t right now.

    3 false start penalties in 1 game really grinds my gears too though.

  277. 277 laeagle said at 3:17 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I’m not defending Chip, because I’m glad he’s gone, but come on. You can’t throw out those numbers and complain about them without context. What’s the rate of hitting on All Pro/Pro Bowl for other GMs? This entire conversation is meaningless unless you can show that his hit rate in an exercise with a notoriously low hit rate is actually lower than average. Not to mention that you keep moving the goalposts. “No, I mean only All Pros born in the first half of the year…”

  278. 278 laeagle said at 3:21 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Ertz is a very good tight end. I mentioned this in a previous thread, but I also find that the complaining people do about how he only shows up in December is ridiculous. He’s had a different starting QB every year he’s been in the league. It takes time to develop chemistry, and each year as he finally has done that by the end of the season, the reset button gets pressed. He even spent all offseason this year working with Bradford only to have Wentz start at the last minute.

    How long have Gronk and Brady played together? Graham and Brees? And how effective was Graham with Wilson last year versus this year?

    I’m not making excuses for him. I’m pointing out the simple fact that when he has time to develop chemistry, he starts excelling. If he has another slow year next year, then I’ll eat my words, but I sincerely doubt that’s the case.

    In other words, no matter how you slice it, Chip “hit” with the pick of Ertz in the second. It was not a solid pick, it was a great pick.

  279. 279 Tom33 said at 1:52 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Eric Rowe is starting for the Patriots. So he’ll probably have a SB ring after this year.

  280. 280 MattE said at 2:39 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Belichick is just not human. Matt Patricia is an outstanding D-Coordinator.

  281. 281 P_P_K said at 7:26 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Satan and his minion.

  282. 282 MattE said at 2:38 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    for every good value pick we have gotten, he have another MS2 and Huff/Agholor to show for it. 1 step forward and 2 steps back does not help.

  283. 283 MattE said at 2:42 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    i am sick of value, i want a gamebreaker.

  284. 284 A_T_G said at 2:45 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I saw a stat yesterday that the last LB to rack up turnovers at the same rate as Hicks was Jack Ham.

  285. 285 MattE said at 2:50 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    love Hicks, but he is 1 of 2 EXCELLENT picks we have had, all others have been pleasant surprises of adequacy, not steals.

  286. 286 laeagle said at 5:37 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    your desire for a gamebreaker isn’t the final deciding point on whether a draft pick was a good one or not.

  287. 287 A_T_G said at 2:08 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    “….when you think about it the only guys Chip hit on were Lane Johnson and Jordan Hicks…”

    …it should have been clear that San Francisco would not be the right city for him.

  288. 288 A Roy said at 3:13 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I got it even if no one else did.

  289. 289 Tumtum said at 9:26 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Now I do… I’m slow.

  290. 290 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:09 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I don’t blame him for the Agholor pick because he is pretty talented. Everything I read about Agholor prior to the draft said he had good character. I still think he can turn things around. Maybe not on this team but somewhere else down the line.

    I don’t blame him for the Rowe pick because that’s where Rowe was projected to go. I think Roseman gave up too quickly on Rowe.

    Alonso would have probably played better this year. I still think he was having issues with his injury last year.

    Connor Barwin, Malcom Jenkins, Nolan Carroll, Darren Sproles, and Walter Thurmond were quality acquisitions that didn’t break the bank.

  291. 291 daveH said at 3:11 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    All true.
    Fault lies with the coaching & mgmnt.

  292. 292 Media Mike said at 4:30 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    1) I don’t blame him for the Agholor pick because he is pretty talented. Everything I read about Agholor prior to the draft said he had good character.

    Yup. Aghloro was slotted right in where the Eagles took him.

    2) I still think he can turn things around. Maybe not on this team but somewhere else down the line.

    NO THANK YOU. Succeed for my team or retire.

  293. 293 BobSmith77 said at 4:57 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Yet Agholor has done a few things that aren’t high character though since then and you simply can’t blame his pathetic production entirely on the coaching staff.

    He just stinks & is yet another 1st round bust for this team which has had way too many the last decade now.

  294. 294 laeagle said at 3:28 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Chip’s fault was not in the guys he picked up. He did pretty good, not great, but pretty good, on that account. He had some obvious whiffs, though the biggest misses like Murray, Maxwell, and Alonso don’t look like such bad players now.

    His fault as a GM is in the guys he let go, and how he let them go. The Djax situation was just a fucking disgrace. I get not wanting him on the team anymore to a certain degree. I absolutely do not get releasing him outright for zero return. He should have had his GM duties stripped there and then. I get trading McCoy, but ONLY if you know you have someone else on the roster. Makes sense after trading for Murray, but sure as shit not before. And while I understand you can’t force someone like Maclin to sign here if he doesn’t want to, the rumblings from Maclin’s camp show that it really wouldn’t have taken much more respect from Chip to keep Maclin here; it wasn’t even about money so much as giving the guy the respect of a phone call.

    Another fault was cap mismanagement. This is the first year we’re not in a good cap situation and it’s all on Chip. While Murray and Maxwell don’t look like bad players now, so we can fault Chip the coach and not Chip the GM for those acquisitions, what did hurt with those deals was the terrible contract and cap management. In one year Howie made a significant improvement in our cap situation and hopefully he can continue that this year. Again, I’m not in love with Howie but dear gods it’s a night and day thing in how much better Howie is at cap management and contracts than Chip.

    Oh, and coaching was also a big fault with him.

  295. 295 BobSmith77 said at 4:50 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Yet Maclin took the most money in end and as almost every other professional athlete does too. There are some exceptions but not many & really rare for players to give a hometown discount once they become a FA.

  296. 296 laeagle said at 5:37 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    “Hometown discount” applied to Maclin in that he went to his actual hometown and the coach that drafted him.

    He’s also already stated that he was fine with signing with the Eagles but there was a lot of weirdness and lack of communication with Chip that gave him a bad taste. There was a lot of that during that offseason (see Gore, Frank). He didn’t take significantly more money to go to KC.

  297. 297 daveH said at 2:35 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I think id rather have Pierre Garcon than DJax

  298. 298 Tumtum said at 2:43 PM on January 2nd, 2017:


  299. 299 holeplug said at 3:50 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Either would be a massive upgrade

  300. 300 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:39 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Im rooting for a,Brandon Marshall trade as a stop gap which buys us time to see how much more our young WR’s develope while allowing us to address other needs. Acquire Marshall for like a 5th round pick, draft a small speedy WR and if we still need more help we can add to it the following year. As much as we are down on Agholar, Jordan and DGB, they are still young developing players who are going to improve. Hopefully one or two of them can improve enough to be an eagle Longterm

  301. 301 laeagle said at 6:53 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I was a fan of picking up Marshall midseason. Wouldn’t pay much more than a 6th for him though at his age and contract.

  302. 302 kajomo said at 9:58 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Nope they suck. I’m done waiting. Ags especially is dead weight with no heart. Matthews can’t isn’t reliable. His try hard act is tiresome since he hasn’t improved one bit since his rookie season. DGB will always be an unreliable player, though he has the most potential to improve of the 3.

  303. 303 Dave said at 3:06 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    In October 2013 the NFL announced that, in the absence of a team volunteering to participate in Hard Knocks, the league could force a team to participate. Teams are exempt from being forced to participate in three circumstances: (1) they have appeared in the past ten years, (2) they have a first-year head coach, or (3) they reached the playoffs in either of the two preceding seasons.

    For the first time since Hard Knocks debuted in 2001, the Eagles are eligible to be on the HBO reality show.

  304. 304 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:20 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Unless they fire Pederson.

    That leaves the Saints, Browns,Titans, Bucs, Bears, and Ravens.

    The Eagles have been one of, if not most headline grabbing team in the last 12 years. I don’t see how it won’t be them.

    I’ve never watched Hard Knocks, but has the audience ever left with a good impression of the franchise after watching that show? Last year Hard Knocks seemed to destroy Fisher and Goff’s preceptions

  305. 305 Dave said at 3:31 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    The show is fascinating. I watched several years of it when I had HBO. It gives unparalleled access to a team. I’m all for it.

  306. 306 Julescat said at 4:38 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    unparalleled access can be a bad thing for a team.

  307. 307 BobSmith77 said at 4:48 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    The Eagles will resist this tooth and nail.

    If I was HBO, I would be hoping to get the Eagles or Browns. Maybe the Saints or Bears.

  308. 308 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:32 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    eagles will have no say, only way Lurie can avoid it is by either making the playoffs which didn’t happen, or by firing Pederson which won’t happen…. Welcome to 2017 Hard Knocks, The Fly Eagles Fly Edition

  309. 309 Tumtum said at 9:19 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I didn’t watch last year’s. I always found myself liking a lot of the personalities on each team. Sucks the Cowboys were on twice?

  310. 310 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:30 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Either the Eagles or Washington is going on hard knocks this year. Big market teams are always Ideal. And NFC East teams beast the ratings every year, Carson Wentz, the young golden boy Probably gives us the edge over washington in the eyes of the decision makers
    Eagles are a dream candidates or HBO and the NFL
    Story lines
    1) young coach in a city he played for

    2) young Golden Boy QB
    3) aging hall of fame LT Jason Peters, at the end of his career
    4) Beloved NFL veteran SPROLES in his last year
    5) Lane Johnson’s Redemption Story having to earn the respect back of his teammates and fans
    6) the Return of the Prodigal Son Desean Jackson???
    7) colorful defensive Coordinator and pro bowl caliber players BG, Cox, Jenkins, Hicks
    8)’I’m sure HBO will take advantage of the zack Ertz, Julie Johnson Power couple love story
    HBO will be begging the NFL to give them the Eagles

  311. 311 mtn_green said at 8:25 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    The usual big story lines are the new rookies trying to make the team and then a couple stories about famous veterans everyone knows.

  312. 312 scratcherk said at 3:52 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Wow Corey Davis

  313. 313 Nailed It! said at 4:04 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Yeah, he good. We could use him.

  314. 314 Mitchell said at 4:26 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    He’ll probably be there in the mid first. Lots of options again this year.

  315. 315 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:15 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    I dunno man, think our options will be very limited…

    There are never 30 kids with true first round grades, so when it’s our turn to pick we could be choosing between the last 2-7 prospects available with a first round grade and we have too many needs and we lack playmaking top tier talent. If there isn’t a WR or cornerback with a first round grade, I’d rather take a top talent at a position we consider a lessor need like linebacker, OL, DL.
    We aren’t two or three positions away like many seem to think. We are at least two good drafts away. Most important we need more blue chip talent. Adding top notch talent is more important than addressing a certain position.. With the 15th pick, we will be lucky if there are 5 kids left with a first round grade when we pick. Ideally one of those 5 kids will play a position we consider a major need but we need to get elite talent at whatever position this draft provides.
    We could use more talent at

    So it’s not like we have to force it and take a WR or CB at all costs.

  316. 316 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:48 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    This was a rough season but at least it ended in a great day.

    1) beating the stinking Cowboys is always great, seeing Jordan Hicks continue to terrorize them is extra sweet
    2) kicked Mark Sanchez Ass
    3 watched Kirk Cousins blow a chance at the playoffs by throwing an interception in front of his home crowd on the final drive LOL it was,glorious, can’t wait TIL he demands 24 million from them

    Shitty Matt Barkley Couldnt come thru and beat the vikings for us…

  317. 317 BobSmith77 said at 5:07 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    The last 3 seasons the Eagles have played entirely meaningless games in the season finale and won each of them.

    In 2016, they obviously didn’t have their 1st round pick due to the Wentz trade but is going to draft at least 2 picks later in every round in 2017 due to winning their season finale.

    In 2015, they won against the Giants and it cost them 5 spots in the 2016 draft order (#13 instead of #8)

    In 2014, they also beat the Giants and it cost them 4 spots in the 2015 draft (#20 instead of #16).

  318. 318 Ryan Rambo said at 5:13 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    We need to pretend the playoffs and Superbowl are meaningless! #ringme

  319. 319 Mac said at 11:00 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    We should just start treating the last game of the season like a bowl game. Lurie can create his own trophy and hand it out at the end of the game. So… either the team starts to amass these new “Eagle” trophies, or chokes under pressure and increases draft status. Pretty close to a win-win.

  320. 320 Nailed It! said at 5:15 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Haha, yes because the bottom of the roster guys give two shits about draft position. I’m sure Watson was pissed he scored so we could move from 79 to 77 with a loss. Ridiculous

  321. 321 ChoTime said at 5:33 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    It’s the hidden reason for why we suck.

  322. 322 Mac said at 10:58 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I thought the hidden reason for why we suck is not catching footballs. Then I realized that reason is only hidden from the FO and coaching staff.

  323. 323 unhinged said at 7:45 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Tanks for the info.

  324. 324 Bert's Bells said at 6:54 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Chip chopped.

  325. 325 Greg Richards said at 7:41 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Hey guys. Haven’t been here for awhile. Got depressed at the losing midseason and then for a long time disqus comments weren’t working on my computer for awhile. I’ve been mainly talking Eagles on twitter but I’ll be posting here some. Don’t have anything to add for right now except Chip LOL.

  326. 326 daveH said at 8:58 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    The LOL is on us because he is still getting a big fat paycheck and some of it might be still from eagles checkbook.
    And his worst job offers will still be damn good jobs imho.

  327. 327 A Roy said at 10:09 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Read yesterday that we still owe him $1M.

  328. 328 Tumtum said at 9:09 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    What good college jobs are open?

  329. 329 daveH said at 12:41 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    He’ll get some calls. He’s got moola ..i aint crying for him

  330. 330 Bert's Bells said at 10:51 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    He’d be well served by working as an OC for a couple of years.

    Chip might be a Buddy Ryan kind of coach.

  331. 331 Mac said at 10:57 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    My guess is that he either returns to college ball, or goes up to NE to install new wrinkles to their playbook from week to week. (but that’s basically the same thing I thought before he got the job out in SF)

  332. 332 Greg Richards said at 7:43 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Oh, one thing, don’t know if it’s been mentioned but the Bills reportedly want to interview Frank Reich for their HC job.

  333. 333 Media Mike said at 9:12 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    More power to Frank if he gets that job. We’ll need to replace him with a vet OC to continue to help Doug self-scout his play calling.

  334. 334 Greg Richards said at 9:56 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    DeFelippo is going to get OC interest from other teams. While he’s under contract and the Eagles could block him from moving, you don’t want to do that with your assistants on a regular basis. If Reich leaves, I think you have to promote DeFilippo. I don’t want Wentz to have to adjust to a new QBs coach. So I’d make DeFelippo offensive coordinator/QBs coach and then hire a senior offensive assistant to help with game-planning. They could also potentially expand Duce’s role.

  335. 335 D3FB said at 3:57 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Eagles are really high internally on DeFlippo. I like Reich but promoting DeFlippo really works for everyone.

    I agree with Greg that you bring in a veteran retread (Mike McCoy or Kevin Wilson would be dope) in some kind of consultant role, and expand Duce’s workload. Press Taylor is probably in line for a promotion to QB coach as well.

    The offensive staff should be fine.

  336. 336 Insomniac said at 7:51 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Malik Hooker declared for the draft, it might have shaken up the top 10 picks a little. This year seems like a very top heavy DB class so some guys will probably be pushed down.

  337. 337 Mitchell said at 8:37 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Good, the more the merrier. Grab them 1 and 2. There is a mid 1st and a mid/high second, putting Howard in excellent position to bolster the back end.

  338. 338 Insomniac said at 9:44 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    True or there could be like 8-10 DBs taken in the first. That would suck.

  339. 339 BobSmith77 said at 10:39 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Too bad the Vikings won that last game. I was hoping the Eagles would get that #9-#10 pick, have Roseman work his mojo & drop back a few several picks to still get their starting CB, and pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process this year or next.

  340. 340 Mitchell said at 8:48 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Eagles could have had Jarvis Landry…..damn, missed the boat on that one. He’s tied with OBJ for most receptions in first 3 years…

  341. 341 Insomniac said at 9:41 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    He was what we needed too. Reliable tough guy that could catch anything.

  342. 342 Ryan Rambo said at 9:44 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    We already have that guy in Jordan Ma….uhhh nevermind.

  343. 343 daveH said at 6:39 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    We got Treggs ..

  344. 344 Ryan Rambo said at 7:04 AM on January 3rd, 2017:


  345. 345 Bert's Bells said at 10:49 AM on January 3rd, 2017:


  346. 346 A Roy said at 10:07 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    We already have that guy in Nelson Ag…uhhhh nevermind.

  347. 347 A_T_G said at 10:16 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    We already have that guy in Doriel Gr… uhhh nevermind.

  348. 348 BobSmith77 said at 10:37 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    We already had that guy in Josh Huf… uhhh nevermind.

  349. 349 A_T_G said at 10:59 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Question for the group: if it appears that Huff got his league issues worked out, do you invite him to the 90-man roster?

  350. 350 BobSmith77 said at 11:23 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    Yes I would but I would be stunned if the Eagles do.

  351. 351 Tumtum said at 9:02 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Me? If Tampa doesn’t tender him? Yes. The Eagles won’t. They didn’t have to cut him, they made that choice for more than just the incident.

  352. 352 Bert's Bells said at 10:49 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    He’s a vested veteran now, right? And he kind of sucks, right?

  353. 353 A_T_G said at 11:30 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    He is unquestionably better than some of the guys on the 53 man roster. If we are adding 37 guys, why not a guy that upgrades the talent, knows the system, and might be able to talk to the rookies about screwing up their chance over some stupid shit?

  354. 354 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 10:51 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    We already had that guy in Paul Turner… uhhh yes him.

  355. 355 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:30 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    We could have had a lot of guys. Cant go back anymore, only forward or we will be talking about Earl Thomas vs Graham forever.

  356. 356 Tumtum said at 9:04 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    No no no. It was JPP vs Graham.

  357. 357 eagleyankfan said at 8:19 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    could have had zeke and Dak…

  358. 358 Anders said at 8:20 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Can I also have a better OL and Dez Bryant?

  359. 359 eagleyankfan said at 8:23 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    point is — who cares on what could of happened….could have had Brady or … or … or …

  360. 360 Anders said at 8:47 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Thought you was serious because I have seen people seriously suggest it

  361. 361 Mitchell said at 12:24 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Just stating what could have been. In a prolific WR class we got Matthews and Huff…… Could have been Landry, would have been great. We didn’t so w/e. Have you ever stopped and thought, “what if?” If not you are a person of extreme confidence and perhaps delusion.

  362. 362 Sean Stott said at 12:17 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    While DAL’s O-line is obviously better than the Eagles’, the gap between the O-lines pales in comparison to the gap in WR, and also RB. The gap in WRs between the two teams is better characterized as an ocean.

  363. 363 Tumtum said at 9:04 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Zeke or Wentz? 🙂

  364. 364 Tumtum said at 8:59 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    How did that LSU team not win the national championship? Real question I don’t watch college…really at all.

  365. 365 Anders said at 9:13 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    They lost to Bama and Flordi during the season

  366. 366 D3FB said at 5:24 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Zach Mettenberger.

  367. 367 A_T_G said at 10:15 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    So, does JuJu Smith-Schuster’s name or the reputation of USC receivers hurt his draft stock more?

  368. 368 Sb2bowl said at 6:22 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I won’t consider doing research on him because he is a WR from USC. That may be bad JuJu, but I’m all about good JuJu

  369. 369 BobSmith77 said at 10:35 PM on January 2nd, 2017:

    USC-Penn ST was one of the most entertaining games I have seen in a while. Love shootouts in Bolw games and it had it all.

    I have no idea why Penn St went so conservative in the 4th quarter defensively including only rushing 3 on that play that tied the game. Playing that conservatively in ‘prevent’ in that kind of game is just an ill-advised decision.

    Do love Barkley though and really like his chances of being special at the NFL level unlike high-profile RB bust out Penn St over the last 30 years including DJ Dozier, B. Thomas, Carter, and Enis.

    L. Johnson was the lone exception and didn’t have a bad pro career even if he just really had 2 huge years with the Chiefs.

  370. 370 ChoTime said at 10:28 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    “‘Do love Barkley though” said no one ever… oh, you’re not talking about Matt Barkley.

  371. 371 Anders said at 6:47 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Just me there is annoyed by all this stupid talk about firing Doug or whether or not he is already on the hot seat?

  372. 372 Fufina said at 7:07 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Unless things totally fall apart and the team goes 4-12 or something next year Doug has 3 years to develop Wentz and show progress. You do not want to be changing scheme and staff around a young QB while he is trying to learn the NFL and as long as he is making progress the on field results really do not matter big picture.

  373. 373 Anders said at 7:09 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Its just seems that every article about Doug has to mention him maybe been fired after the Bengals game and might be fired next year if he do not live up to X (X is loosely defined by the beat with no insight knowledge)

  374. 374 Dave said at 8:07 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    One thing I’ve learned from the beats is that it’s not Doug’s fault if the team fails, the main reason would be that Howie is not held responsible by Lurie.

  375. 375 Anders said at 8:15 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    It most be easy to be a beat writer. Write crap, blame everything on GM, but still demand that the coach is fired after 8 games in his rookie year

  376. 376 iceberg584 said at 1:27 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Whine like privilieged children when the team holds a man accountable for his actions.

  377. 377 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:25 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Its ridiculous. No reason to blow up everything just yet

  378. 378 Bert's Bells said at 10:45 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    They’re bringing the guy from SF to take over.

  379. 379 Mac said at 10:53 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    It gets annoying listening to people who call clouds “smoke.”

  380. 380 The original AG said at 7:24 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I’m his most vocal critic, but they can’t do it this year. There’s a lot with him that has me concerned, but it would not look good if they decide to part ways this season. I’m more concerned about attracting good coaches and players later on, and if the team looks like it’s rudderless it might scare people away. I’m wondering if that’s why Gase walked.

  381. 381 Ryan Rambo said at 10:14 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I’ll admit I haven’t seen much tape from either, but can someone compare
    Smallwood vs Marshall? Are they both complimentary RB’s long-term? I liked what little I saw of Marshall this last game, and have forgotten most of what I’ve seen from Smallwood since he’s been injured. Also, why does Tommy say Watson is more of a developmental player? Thanks!!!

  382. 382 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 10:24 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    IMO, I think Marshall is built to be an every down back. He seems like good receiving option though. With Sproles retiring soon and Barner maybe not coming back Id keep him.

    I like Smallwood. He has real home run speed but I need to see more of him to say whether I think he can be an every down guy. I don’t think his presence on the roster should prevent us from looking a RB this draft

  383. 383 A_T_G said at 10:24 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    If anyone else missed Watson’s backstory, read this:

    It makes Doug working to get him at TD at the end all the more inspiring. As for being a developmental guy, it kinda sounds like Tommy is being polite.

  384. 384 Bert's Bells said at 10:44 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Week 17 Marshall is no Week 17 Moats.

  385. 385 D3FB said at 5:23 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Both are best suited a change of pace backs (8-10 touches a game). Marshall is more elusive, Smallwood is more of a one cut hit the hole (albeit without much power). Long term they are probably a bit redundant depending on who RB1 is. I personally prefer Marshall because I have serious questions about Smallwoods vision.

    Watson has been out of school for three years and Sunday was his first game action. He’s big and has some pop in his pads but he’s pretty fungible. He’s basically a 240lbs version of Kenjon Barner. He’s going to come into camp next year probably as RB6, that’s just an uphill climb to make the roster or even practice squad. Coaches may toy with the idea of him as a fullback.

  386. 386 Ryan Rambo said at 12:03 AM on January 4th, 2017:

    That was great. Thanks for the detailed response!

  387. 387 ChoTime said at 11:02 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Grist for the mill of “this is a better team than you think” guys:
    “Yes, that means that the Eagles finished the season fourth overall, although that ranking looks a lot less strange at 7-9 than it did at 5-9. Although the Eagles don’t come close to having the best DVOA rating ever for a team that missed the playoffs, they do finish with the best DVOA rating ever for a team with a losing record.”
    “Philadelphia finished the year No. 1 in special teams DVOA, with Tyreek Hill and the Kansas City Chiefs right behind.”
    “The most underperforming team according to Pythagorean projection was not Philadelphia but Jacksonville, which went 3-13 but was projected to win 5.8 games based on points scored and allowed. San Diego, Cleveland, and the Eagles also underperformed by two or more wins.”

  388. 388 anon said at 11:09 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    “Chip Kelly: Trent Baalke undermined me, I’ll be an assistant coach.”

    “This is the second report in as many days that paints Baalke as an obstacle in the path of Kelly’s success, the first being the report that Kelly wanted to draft Dak Prescott and Baalke refused.”

  389. 389 A_T_G said at 11:34 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I am noticing a pattern…

    I truly hope he signs on as an OC, for the Titans. Let him and DeMarco enjoy each others company.

  390. 390 anon said at 11:45 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    could we get chip back as OC. I liked it when we thought jordan matthews was a good receiver.

  391. 391 Sean Stott said at 12:14 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    oh god please no

  392. 392 Jernst said at 12:38 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Did you also like it when we would routinely go 3 and out in all of 32 seconds, running the same 4 plays on a never ending loop, while watching every run play and screen get sniffed out before the snap and bottled up for a loss like we saw in 2015? Chip needs to take a page from the Pete Carroll playbook and go back to college and work on some new ideas for the pro game before he gives it a go in the NFL again. I can’t see any HC wanting to run Kelly’s offense because Kelly’s offense requires that the entire team, including the defense as well as the practice schedules be dedicated to ensuring his offense succeeds.

  393. 393 anon said at 1:01 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I think he has good offensive concepts that can be run without tempo. He might need some time off to tweak the scheme a little bit, but we won games with Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez.

    But I can’t see a GM in this league that would hire him.

  394. 394 Mac said at 3:00 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Which is why NE is an almost perfect landing pad for him. He would have checks and balances on him, and minimal final responsibility, which would leave him to devising scheme wrinkles and making smoothies.

  395. 395 Jernst said at 4:07 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    We won games with Nick Foles in 2014 when NFL defenses were not prepared for Chips scheme and we won games early in 2015 off insane special teams production while Foles and the offense were hapless. However, Sanchez was 4-6 as a starter under Kelly.

    Chip has some decent ideas, but he hasn’t been able to put them into practice in a way that is functional at an NFL level. The great Chris Brown wrote an excellent piece on how Kelly’s scheme has progressively gotten less and less imaginative and diverse with each year he’s been in the league. Definitely check it out:

    The major issue is that he’s never adapted to the loss of the numbers advantage that the zone read gave him in college. Originally, his offense was predicated on removing pre-snap reads (for the sake of a blistering pace), which would force defenses to stay in a simple base defense and keep them from disguising their intentions, and replacing those pre-snap reads with post-snap reads. In this way it was brilliant. First, it was easier to read a defender than actually block him and it was easier to see a LB go in one direction and immediately hit the built in constraint that ensured that he was wrong, rather than try to guess the defenders intentions pre-snap and pick the right play or route in the tree.

    Every single play looked the same, but could be any number of different plays. What looked like a run to the right could be a run to the left, heck, it could even be a pass. This kept defenses off balance because they could never know what was going to come based on, not only formation, but also the immediate post-snap movement of the line and backs, since they were always the same. As soon as they started cheating one way, there was a constraint built in to make them pay for that, like the zone read pop pass, etc.

    However, in the past two years, his offense has devolved completely. He no longer incorporates the post-snap reads that require the QB to hold the mesh point and read defenders. That requires that the QB poses a threat to run, but since the NFL endorsed Suggs low hit on Bradford after he gave the ball to the RB coming out of the mesh, Chip realized that this was putting his QB in extreme danger. So instead he’s run plays that look like zone reads, except there’s no reading going on.

    The result is that what appears pre-snap to be an inside zone, and then continues to appear to be an inside zone after the snap, always ends up being an inside zone. Combine this with an extremely limited playbook (a necessity of his tempo which requires plays to be one word long) and what you have is an offense that employs only a few formations, out of which he only runs one or two plays, with no constraints or ability to make defenders pay for over committing. Which is why you see so many defenses stunting right into the backfield and blowing up his plays. You simply can’t beat a team when they know whats coming every single time. And, since there’s no audibles or pre-snap reads due to the emphasis on tempo, a bad play call that’s doomed to fail based on the defenses alignment, just fails. Period.

    His playbook was simple enough by 2015 that, as a casual observer that doesn’t spend anywhere near the time watching film as professional players and coaches, I was able to diagnose 90% of his plays.

    Because, the QB no longer reads an unblocked defender Kelly has left the TE backside to block that DE.

    RB and TE set up to the same side of the field = inside zone away from the TE. The only changeup being the occasional awkward play where at the snap the RB completely turns sideways to the LOS facing the TE side and the QB has to awkwardly reach around and hand the ball to the back going on a sweep to the TE side. This variation takes an eternity to develop and declares itself immediately to the defense. And, since it’s a slow developing outside run with the RB starting out from a dead stop going parallel to the LOS (5 yards behind it) it has never worked once in the NFL and routinely gains negative yardage.

    RB and TE lineup to opposite sides = Sweep

    Outside zone and Power have basically been removed entirely from the offense, but outside zone was easy to distinguish based on RB alignment. If the RB was slightly deeper set than the QB, it was IZ, if he was even with the QB it was OZ.

    Pass plays: Tight WR splits = mesh play (EVERY SINGLE TIME WITH NO VARIATION WHATSOEVER except two or three times a season, the mesh WRs would run towards the middle of the field and then pivot back out instead of continuing over the middle – we beat Dallas in overtime with this one)

    Regular splits with 2 WR to each side was either 4 verticles or the four verticals were the inside and outside WRs switch sides or the smash concept, with a corner route, a curl and a flat combo on one side of the field.

    Regular splits with 3 receivers to one side was either smash, two outside verticals with a 12 yard out pattern, or curls.

    The end. Too easy to defend against for a supposed offensive mastermind.

  396. 396 Julescat said at 1:12 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Dak should send Baalke a thank you card

  397. 397 anon said at 11:45 AM on January 3rd, 2017:

    “Louis Riddick to interview for 49ers G.M. position next week” hahahaha

  398. 398 A_T_G said at 3:09 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Local beat reporters must be salivating to be first to claim the title “The “Chronicles of Riddick” as a regular column.

    Then again, maybe not. I am shocked and appalled that no local guy has an offseason column titled “Howie Doin’?”

  399. 399 Greg Richards said at 3:50 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Riddick striks me as a guy that would do a better job as GM than he did as an assistant personnel guy. The guy obviously has a pretty big ego and always came off as bitter that someone else was the top guy when he thought he should be in charge. If you were his boss, I’m pretty sure he’d rub you the wrong way. That said, when he’s strictly talking football he’s always come off as very knowledgeable and intelligent to me. When you’re an assistant, you can’t have too big of an ego/attitude. That’s somewhat true of being a boss too, but the threshold is different.

  400. 400 Jernst said at 12:20 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I was playing around with our cap to see how much space we’all have this year. Things aren’t nearly as dire as they would appear at first glance. Without making a move we’re at $9M under the cap, which ranks 29th. However, by making the following moves we can open up more than enough space to make the necessary moves in FA to fill in some substantial holes:

    Cutting Barwin frees up $7.75M
    Cutting Ryan Mathews frees up $4M
    Cutting Leodis McKelvin frees up $3.2M
    Cutting Kendricks frees up $1.8M

    That’s $16.85M in extra space without doing anything drastic or unexpected to the roster

    Marcus Smith can be cut to save $1.5M
    Ron Brooks can be cut to save $1.6M

    So we could potentially open up nearly $20M extra in cap space if we really wanted to. That would give us between $25-29M in cap space depending on who we cut. And that is using a projected cap of $166M whereas recent reports have it going as high as $170M.

    The real interesting thing I noticed however, was in looking forward to our cap situation in 2018. A lot was made about all the contracts Howie gave out this past year and how they effected our cap situation in 2017 (putting us at the bottom of the league in available funds, 29th overall). But, few people looked ahead to 2018 and beyond.

    In 2018, if you assume we already unloaded Barwin, Mathews, McKelvin and Kendricks, we will be looking at a projected cap space of: $31.9M.

    And, that is with Jason Peters counting $11.25M, $10.25M of which would be saved if he’s cut after next year, Brent Celek counting $5M, $4M of which can be saved if he’s cut after next year, and Chase Daniel counting $8M, $7M of which can be saved if he’s cut after next year.

    Kelce could also be cut for a $6M savings, Ron Brooks for $2.14M, DGB for $1.2M and Agholor for $600k.

    So anywhere from $50-63M in space is projected to be there with the core in place just around the time Wentz is hitting the beginning of his prime. If you assume about $5M for each draft class in 2017 and 2018 and $10M for each free agency haul in each of those years, we could add a significant FA and a mid level veteran with each FA, and still have $25-30M to play with in FA next year. And, Jordan Hicks and Jordan Matthews are the only young players (aside from Bennie Logan this offseason) that will be in line for an extension going into 2018.

    Say what you will about Howie, but the guy knows how to work the cap. Even two years out we know the team will enter Wentz’s prime with its LT, C/G, RG, QB, a stud TE, two DE, a stud DT, and two top notch safeties looked up on what will look like very reasonable contracts by then, with 2 draft classes, 2 free agency classes and an addition $30M in space to fill out the roster just as Wentz hits the point of being ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

  401. 401 Fufina said at 1:28 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Smith will be back – he was solid this year and showed significant progress during the year. The cost is plenty low enough to keep the project going and see if he can finally add a couple of pass rush moves and suddenly break out as a play making DE. He sets the edge well and plays the run hard which is actually impressive considering his size/weight. He has the raw physical traits to be an impact player.

  402. 402 Jernst said at 2:13 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Agreed. That’s why I listed him after the initial 4, what I would consider, no brainers. Just listed him to show the additional money that could be had if we decided to move on from him and elevate Means. If, let’s say, an extra $3M in space would allow us to lock up Logan at a reasonable long term contract, Smith and Ron Brooks, I feel, would be the most likely next up on the cut list.

    But, that being said, you’re absolutely right. $1.5M isn’t anything worth getting excited about and MSII gives us enough value as a 4th DE and special teamer to more than earn that cap hit.

  403. 403 John Galt said at 2:10 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I have a feeling they are going to cut Kelce this year – which I believe saves $3.8. I think they like Seumalo and want to go more power run game.

  404. 404 Jernst said at 12:50 AM on January 4th, 2017:

    Yea…if this was earlier in the year when he was really struggling, I would have definitely included him on the potentially cut list. I think he played well enough down the stretch that they might hold on to him for one more year. But, he is definitely someone that would be on the likely to be cut list after next year, when he’ll count $7.2M with a $6M savings if cut. You are right though that cutting him would free up $3.8M. I just have a feeling that they’ll choose to keep the steady vet at the center position and let Seumalo get his feet under him at LG before moving inside to C. That would give them another year to develop some depth along the line. If you cut Kelce and move Seumalo now, there’s no backup C if Seumalo goes down, and there’s no backup guards if either of the guards go down.

  405. 405 John Galt said at 12:58 AM on January 4th, 2017:

    Just think they like Barbre better than Kelce for next year (which is all you have Kelce for anyway) and they want Seumalo to play. If I’m right, Kelce can’t be a backup at that price, so they would obviously have to do a Wiz (not him necessarily but that type of price tag) type signing to bring the backup on and probably draft an interior guy in the 5th or 6th round. But you are probably right – I am just ready to move on from Kelce.

  406. 406 Jernst said at 2:37 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    The point/short version being that, ultimately, this offseason by just moving on from Kendricks, Barwin, Mathews and McKelvin we’ll have over $29M in cap space. That means we could easily sign two free agents such as (DeSean and Dre Kirkpatrick, or two similarly compensated players, the specific players aren’t important) and still have over $10M in space.

    And, in 2018, by moving on from Peters, Daniel, Celek and Agholor we will be able to free up enough space to be a projected additional $55+ under the cap in that season. That number is obviously not accounting for two draft classes or the free agent acquisitions this season or signing our pending free agent(s) (ie Bennie Logan).

    Over the next two offseasons, a lot of high salaries are going to come off of our books. And, our cap situation is going to be very very good in 2018. We are essentially ideally situated to make a substantial run with a low cost starting QB and a young core locked into reasonable deals.

    We’ll need to replace the production of some of those players (Peters in particular, Mathews to a lesser extent), others we wont miss much at all (Barwin, Kendricks, McKelvin, Daniel, Celek, Agholor). We’ll need to draft well over the next two drafts. And, we’ll have to add at least one impact player in FA in each of the next two offseasons. If we can get one impact FA and one impact draft pick in 2017 and 2018, we will have plenty of money to fill the holes remaining in the roster and continue to add impact pieces.

    Despite the poor showing this year, and as hard as it is to watch the Cowboys excel right now, the future is bright guys!

  407. 407 Jernst said at 2:40 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Anyone interested in where I found this information, check out this website:

    They even have an awesome feature that lets you manage the roster and pick which players to cut or trade. In trades you can even pick the exact compensation that you receive in return (if it’s a player). And, you can even sign free agents and enter what you assume their 2017 cap hit would be. It then calculates all the cap ramifications. Pretty cool site.

  408. 408 Anders said at 3:17 PM on January 3rd, 2017: is much better site and spotrac is getting a lot of its nfl info from that site

  409. 409 Jernst said at 3:33 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I back checked all the numbers with Overthecap, but I disagree that it is a much better site. Overthecap seems to update more regularly and has more up to date contract info (hence why I back checked everything with them). But, spotrac has so much more information and has a lot more functionality as a website. Plus I think the manage the roster feature is really cool, which isn’t an option on overthecap. Spotrac also gives a lot more information in the form of breaking down the total cap numbers for a team based on signing bonuses vs salary, and they give full accounting and lists of the dead money and the contracts below the top 51. They also have integrated features that allow you to easily access free agency information. Both are good though.

  410. 410 Jernst said at 3:28 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Compare this to our rivals the Cowboys:

    They are projected to be $2.7M over the cap in 2017. The only significant cap hit they can shed is Romo’s and even with that he will still carry a $19.6M dead cap hit, so the net result of moving on from Romo will be an additional $5.1M, bringing them up to $2.4M in cap space. Not even enough to sign their draft picks.

    The only other players that have significant cap hits without equal or more dead money if cut are Sean Lee, Jason Witten and Doug Free. Witten would save $7.4M, Lee would save $7M, Doug Free would save $5M.

    On the lower end, Cole Beasley would save $2M, Alfred Morris saves $1.7, and James Hanna would save $1.5M. That’s it. Everyone else is essentially locked in.

    There’s no way they would cut Sean Lee or Doug Free, in my opinion. But, they need to come up with at least $5M in cap space to sign their draft picks. ( Unless they do some major restructuring to people like Dez or Sean Lee, Witten is the obvious odd man out. But, even with him cut completely that only brings them up to $9.8M total cap space to sign their draft picks, sign FAs and stash for emergency mid season signings.

    They also have the following players set to be FA:
    – Morris Claiborne
    – Rolando McClain
    – Ronald Leary
    – Barry Church
    – Darron McFadden
    – Lance Dunbar
    – Jack Crawford
    – Gavin Escobar
    – Terrell McClain
    – Justin Durant
    – JJ Wilcox
    – Terrance Williams

    That’s a lot of roster spots to fill, including 5 starters and some key backups as well. Without massive restructuring, they will struggle to fill out their roster and most certainly will not be able to be players in FA. Plus, by restructuring contracts they will simply be putting off the cap payments into future years, which will again lock them in to unfavorable situations like they are in with Romo now, where he will count almost $20M against their cap even though he is almost assured to be playing elsewhere in 2017.

    Dez is probably the safest bet to restructure. He’s young and he’s a beast. You can be pretty confident that committing cap space to him into the future will not go to waste. However, his cap hits are scheduled to be $17M in 2017, and then $16.5M in both 2018 and 2019. If you lower his cap this year, you’ll eventually have to pay it back in future years which is just going to make his future cap hits absurd. After that, there’s not many other players who you can do that with. Tyron Smith is only the 3rd highest paid LT in the league. He’s young, but he’s got cap hits averaging $13M a year from now until he’s 32. The most likely is Sean Lee who carries a $12.5M cap hit next year, followed by $8.5 and then $7.5M in 2018-19. You could shift some of his cap hits around and move them towards those later years. But, then you’re also locking yourself into an oft injured LB who’s turning 31 next season.

    If they eat Romo’s dead cap hit in 2017, 2018 looks a lot better. They’ll have about $60M of space to work with. However, that’s only counting the 25 players they have locked up through 2018. They’ll need to fill out another 26 roster spots with that cash over the next two offseasons. Witten will be gone as he’ll be a 35 year old UFA at that point. Doug Free is FA after 2017, as are Zach Martin, Brandon Carr, and DeMarcus Lawrence. La’el Collins will be a RFA. Byron Jones, Randy Gregory and Meliek Collins will all be on the final years of their deals and Dez will only have one year left on his deal.

    Overall, that’s 11 starters over 2 years that still need to be locked up long term, and a couple others that will have soon to expire deals that will want a new contract. And, there’s absolutely zero depth on that team. I predict their run will not last long. They are not set up for longterm success the way the Eagles are. Dez, Dak and Zeke will keep the team competitive and they should continue to have a good line with Frederick and Smith locked up. But, with Leary, Martin, Free and Collins all having their contracts coming to an end around the same time is less than ideal. They won’t be able to keep all of them.

    They’re going to be in a position by 2018 to have to replace or resign 3 out of their 5 starting oline, their #2WR, a HOF TE, and multiple starters at every level of their defense. They’ll have to do this without spending much if at all on free agents this year due to Romo’s dead cap hit, while simultaneously filling out a roster that has no depth behind the starters and only 25 players signed through 2018.

  411. 411 laeagle said at 4:27 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Does any of this change if Romo is traded? Not sure how that affects dead money. I suspect that it isn’t as bad for them in that case. And I suspect they will be looking to trade him.

  412. 412 Howie Littlefinger said at 4:53 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I believe they recoup around 5 Mil if they trade or cut Romo. They gave him a contract and restructered it about 5 times pushing money to the back end. I think he is still cap hit even if he retires (I don’t think he will)

  413. 413 Jernst said at 12:44 AM on January 4th, 2017:

    Typically that would be the case, but unfortunately for them they’ve converted so much of his salary to signing bonuses that the cap hit is the same whether they cut or trade him. Plus no one in their right mind would ever trade for his contract. He has cap hits of $24.7M, $25.2M and $23.7M over the next three years. Would you want those numbers for a 38 year old QB who hasn’t been able to stay healthy in over two years and has a spinal column held together with duct tape and chicken wire?

  414. 414 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:55 PM on January 3rd, 2017:


    I love this story… Odell Beckham and the Giant WRs went to Miami to party Monday night with Justin Beiber, johnny Mamziel and if this isn’t dumb enough, they were also partying with Manziels ex girlfriend who he abused and has a restraining order against Johnny..
    when your best player sets this type of example and it’s not even a bye week. It was just a day off before they get ready to play a playoff game this weekend, I’d be pissed if I was one of the veterans in that locker room
    Like they couldnt party in New York? They needed to go to miami? ODB was spotted with Beiber still drinking at 5am. Then again, ODB is a choir boy compared to lawrence Taylor si I guess NY has seen worse
    I’ll be so happy if our rivals DONT win a single playoff game. So many scumbags I hate in this years playpffs, I think I’ll have to root for Andy, Maclin and baby Kelce to get a ring…

  415. 415 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 12:59 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    We don’t have to worry about this because we don’t have any superstars

  416. 416 RobNE said at 2:59 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I was thinking the same. Oh to have such a talented player who tried to get away with stuff like this.

  417. 417 Julescat said at 1:01 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    not Maclin after he gave the finger to the Eagles

    here’s hoping that Andy’s clock managing skills costs them another playoff chance

  418. 418 Sean Stott said at 2:29 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I don’t think he ever gave us the finger, he just went where he was offered more money and didn’t have to deal with dumbass Chip Kelly

  419. 419 Julescat said at 2:39 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    he played games and went back to KC shopping the Eagles offer because he didn’t want to be here.

    The Eagles paid self tacklin’ Maclin for all the seasons where he was injured and sat on the bench recovering.

    He owed the Eagles and then screwed us. I wish for Maclin to get knocked out of every game.

    If he doesn’t have to be loyal to the Eagles then the Eagles fans don’t have to be loyal to him.

  420. 420 laeagle said at 4:29 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Oh stop. He didn’t owe the Eagles. That’s utter nonsense. He was offered more money to play in his hometown for a coach who actually treated him like a human being. You can get mad at that all you want but it just makes you look like a petulant child.

  421. 421 Bert's Bells said at 5:43 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Unless he grew up in Dallas —then, screw him.

  422. 422 Julescat said at 7:32 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    nope. he took the Eagles better offer and shopped it to the Chiefs. I root against guys who fight to get off the Eagles team.

    here’s hoping he gets knocked out of the game!

  423. 423 holeplug said at 7:39 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Maclin grew up just outside of St. Louis. He’s not from Kansas City.

  424. 424 Tom33 said at 1:38 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Can you imagine if Tom Coughlin was still HC? I think he may have exploded

  425. 425 Anders said at 3:16 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    One of the people on the photo is smoking weed

  426. 426 RobNE said at 4:30 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    cool can we get him suspended for the playoffs?

  427. 427 A_T_G said at 4:19 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Just so we are all on the same page, here is the picture:

  428. 428 laeagle said at 5:39 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Why in the sweet holy hell is anyone inviting Justin Bieber to anything?

  429. 429 P_P_K said at 6:50 PM on January 3rd, 2017:


  430. 430 SteveH said at 5:50 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    This looks like a promo picture for a new R&B supergroup. O’dell is so emo here.

    Watcha doin O’dell?

    Oh just pondering life, you know.

  431. 431 Media Mike said at 7:51 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Nothing wrong with that boat that a torpedo blowing it up with all hands on deck lost at sea wouldn’t fix.

  432. 432 ACViking said at 5:07 PM on January 3rd, 2017:


    They should have stayed at home. All the Eagles do that, right?

    In bed early. All the Eagles do that, right?

    Studying the playbook. All the Eagles do that, right?

    OK, CHIP.

  433. 433 Blackfoot said at 5:20 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    no need to bring up 1980 and the ass kicking.
    but of course they were the raiders.

  434. 434 RobNE said at 3:16 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    How is Denver with a huge ? at QB the top ranked job opening?

  435. 435 Fufina said at 3:27 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    which of those teams have a solution at QB? Denver has a quality defence good WR’s and a solid OL. Sign Romo, add a RB and a couple of OL and you have a team that could contend in a pretty weak AFC year 1.

  436. 436 RobNE said at 3:51 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I’d prob say Rams (I’d have to assume Goff is something, he’s the overall #1 pick) and Chargers. The Rams is the one I’d take. Just not being Jeff Fisher must be worth 3 wins.

  437. 437 Fufina said at 3:55 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Problem i see with the Chargers is you have a limited window left with Rivers, and a roster that a talented QB could not carry to respectability. They need a couple of great drafts and will just be ready when Rivers is declining.

    As for the Rams i guess the strength is Kronke loves stability so you will probably have 3-4 years to make things work… but with no 1sts for a couple of years and the distinct chance Goff busts you are in a very difficult situation to build a great roster.

  438. 438 RobNE said at 4:30 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    yeah I don’t know. I’ll take the weather in LA over Denver.

  439. 439 The original AG said at 7:16 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Wasting resources on Romo is bad all around. Guy can’t stay healthy (main reason) and I’d hate for Dallas to get from under that contract (selfish reason).

  440. 440 holeplug said at 7:35 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I’d trade for him if I’m Elway but that is about the only team that makes sense

  441. 441 Dave said at 7:30 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Denver has a bad offensive line.

  442. 442 Media Mike said at 7:50 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    And rumors of Phillips leaving as well.

  443. 443 RobNE said at 4:28 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    ok off season question what would you (not you, Eagles, but you some other team) give up for Garrapolo.

  444. 444 Bert's Bells said at 5:03 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Who’s in the market? Buffalo, Jacksonville (maybe), Chicago (maybe), Jets, Denver, Cleveland, San Francisco.

    Buffalo and NYJ are unlikely trade partners for Belichick. Same could be true of Denver since they’ll be competitive with that defense for a couple more years.

    That leaves 4 possible landing places (barring a Bridgewater-type disaster). Two of which are worse than dumpster fires, the other two might just hold tight this offseason.

    Cleveland could drop a first on him. It’s no dumber than drafting Manziel.

  445. 445 P_P_K said at 5:10 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Off topic, but I think you have the best avatar on this blog.

  446. 446 Sean Stott said at 5:13 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    mid/low 1st, maybe a kicker with a 3, 4, or 5.

  447. 447 D3FB said at 5:13 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    2017 2nd but I liked him coming out. If you’re really wrong you’ll be in position to draft high. He’s probably more of a mid-tier QB but some of these teams are desperate for anything.

  448. 448 Media Mike said at 7:50 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Shame they won’t trade in-division, but he’d be an upgrade for Buffalo.

  449. 449 Media Mike said at 7:50 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    That’s a really good question.

  450. 450 Insomniac said at 6:19 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Huh who would have thought that Matt Ryan would have such a monster year this year. He’s been good for such a long time that we forget that the top 5 QBs used to consist of Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and the rotational 5th guy depending on year.

  451. 451 Julescat said at 7:34 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Ryan usually puts up great numbers but the team had typically folded late in the season.

  452. 452 Media Mike said at 7:54 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    His numbers put him in the MVP mix, but I can’t take him seriously in a conversation with Brady and Rodgers.

    I’ll also always hate him for that home playoff game choke lose to San Fran in the 2012 season playoffs.

  453. 453 Media Mike said at 7:54 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Idiot alert;

    San Diego is interviewing McDermott for their head coach opening.

  454. 454 unhinged said at 8:06 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Not to argue for the sake of it, but I think that McDermott is more of an idiot for participating in an interview by SD, than SD is for interviewing him. That FO/owner leaves me more than a little skeptical about its readiness for prime time. They have snagged some premium talent over the years, but never seem to get consistent production from their offense and defense AT THE SAME TIME! I don’t know that McDermott is anybody’s answer, but he’s probably earned a shot.

  455. 455 Media Mike said at 8:10 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Agreed San Diego has been a train wreck over the last 3 years.

  456. 456 daveH said at 8:07 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Tommy do you rank you commenters?
    Awards for best/worst. Most succinct/verbose, best football coments. Most cluesless etc and so on ?
    You have a great commenter base and there’s some great ideas and great insights on here from your readership .
    There’s also some really lame ones, rants and diatribes…. count me in on that side but here’s an idea …. who are your favorite, hated, Valued commenters?

  457. 457 Media Mike said at 8:40 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Knowing how Tommy always strives to be a glass half full / positive type dude; do you really expect him to answer that?

  458. 458 daveH said at 8:59 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Yes but no .. just thinking theres good schit in here .. with a tiny algorithm we could have live ratings of comments and wonder if it wud… ah forgeyt it

  459. 459 Media Mike said at 8:13 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    You guys starting to vibe out who you want at 14? I’m still very overwhelmed with the names / value for that spot.

  460. 460 Media Mike said at 8:14 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    Dawk just got named to the final 15 for the HOF vote. I’m curious who the other 14 are.

  461. 461 TXEaglesFan said at 8:53 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    LaDainian Tomlinson

    Jason Taylor

    Brian Dawkins

    Don Coryell

    Terrell Davis

    Joe Jacoby

    John Lynch

    Kurt Warner

    Terrell Owens

    Morten Andersen

    Alan Faneca

    Tony Boselli

    Isaac Bruce

    Ty Law

    Kevin Mawae

  462. 462 Media Mike said at 8:56 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    I’ll go:

    Tomlinson, TO, Dawk, Faneca, Mawae as the 5.

  463. 463 Bert's Bells said at 9:24 PM on January 4th, 2017:

    Doubt they’ll vote in 2 OL.

  464. 464 Sean Stott said at 9:54 PM on January 3rd, 2017:

    TyLaw was amazing