Help for the WRs?

Posted: January 10th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 108 Comments »

The Eagles are going to make a coaching change.

https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/818495013306978304

I don’t think the second half of that tweet is accurate. No one in their right mind would look at the roster, the stats and the game tape and say “Greg Lewis is the only thing holding this group of receivers back from becoming stars.” That’s silly.

The firing of Lewis boils down to a simple point. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. The Eagles obviously felt Lewis was more problem than solution. I can totally see where they are coming from. Dorial Green-Beckham was the same player in December as he was in September. Heck, maybe worse. Josh Huff showed no progress this year. Nelson Agholor had a torturous season, for him and us. Bryce Treggs highlight moment came in his first game.

The job of an assistant coach is to get the most out of his players. Lewis might have gotten the most out of Paul Turner that he could. That’s it. Everyone else would have to be labeled an underachiever, on some level. Jordan Matthews is a terrific young player, but he still has those moments (not getting the second foot down in the end zone) that frustrate you because he should be better.

No one expected this group to suddenly look like Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Az Hakim and Ricky Proehl, but there was simply too much underachieving.

The Eagles are going to add resources to the WR position this year. You don’t want to turn them over to an assistant coach you don’t believe in. I mean, you wouldn’t give the Glengarry leads to bad salesmen would you?

Jeff McLane wrote an interesting piece on the firing of Lewis.

It was the most dubious of the staffing hires made after Doug Pederson was named head coach last January, and was emphasized in this space at that time. But it became increasingly apparent that Lewis was unsuitable for the task at hand, as two instances before the season suggested.

The first occurred during training camp. Agholor, who entered the season after an underwhelming rookie season, was dropping passes on almost a daily basis. During one particular drill, the receiver was uncovered deep. The pass landed in Agholor’s hands, but he juggled it for a few steps before pulling it in and running into the end zone.

The play elicited cheers from some fans in attendance, but Agholor knew it wasn’t a catch worthy of praise. He pounded the football as he ran back toward his group. Lewis, though, walked out, met him, and patted him on the back with a smile.

Should Agholor have been admonished instead? Maybe not. Perhaps a teaching point was conveyed in the film room. But Lewis’ initial reaction was consistent with the Eagles’ public coddling of the receiver and with the position coach’s occasional rapport with his players.

For example, on the day that Paul Turner was signed to the Eagles practice squad, the undrafted rookie drew a pack of reporters to his locker stall. Lewis, one of the few assistants to regularly venture into the locker room, stood behind the cameras and made faces and gestures to get Turner to laugh.

It worked. But was it behavior befitting a first-year assistant trying to teach rookies and second- and third-year players how to thrive in the NFL? There’s nothing wrong with lightheartedness, and maybe the 36-year-old Lewis was stern behind closed doors, but repeated mistakes implied that his message wasn’t getting through.

Young assistant coaches have to balance out trying to befriend their players with trying to be an authority figure. It sounds like Lewis was too nice and wasn’t able to “command the room” as the saying would go in coachspeak. Duce Staley is another former player who became an assistant, but he has had no such issues. Staley can be very tough on his guys. He isn’t a jerk for the sake of it, but is demanding. Staley has become a good assistant and he could one day become a head coach.

Lewis might have a future in coaching, but it sounds like he’s got some learning to do.

The WR position will get some talent and a new coach. Let’s hope that combination is enough to get this group from the bottom of the NFL closer to the middle. Carson Wentz needs help.

*****

From PE.com.

White, listed at 5-11 and 185 pounds, has played in the Canadian Football league since 2014. After two seasons with the Montreal Alouettes, White was named an All Star with the Ottawa RedBlacks, taking home a Grey Cup championship.

White was undrafted out of Michigan State in 2013, and after spending a short amount of time with the Oakland Raiders, White headed north of the border to pursue a career in the CFL. The Eagles also went to the CFL route last offseason to add cornerback Aaron Grymes, who shined for the Eagles in the preseason before a shoulder injury resulted in him being waived. Grymes re-signed with the Eagles later in the season and will compete for a roster spot heading into 2017.

CFL guys rarely pan out, but it is always smart to take a look. You never know when you might get lucky.

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108 Comments on “Help for the WRs?”

  1. 1 BlindChow said at 10:34 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    What’s more likely: Lewis couldn’t get anything out of the drafted guys yet somehow is responsible for Paul Turner’s success, or GREG LEWIS WAS KEEPING FUTURE HALL OF FAMER PAUL TURNER FROM TOTAL DOMINANCE.

    You decide.

  2. 2 Sb2bowl said at 10:35 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    It’s too early, I can’t do it

  3. 3 Corry said at 10:50 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Clearly option B.

  4. 4 SteveH said at 2:36 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I’m riding with the PT Cruiser. Take 2 is clearly the correct one.

  5. 5 Sb2bowl said at 10:35 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Gotta fill out the roster spots with warm bodies; always worth a shot for a CB position which sorely lacks talent and play makers. Maybe one of these guys will pan out for us.

    As for Lewis- the team and coaches know better than I do, if they thought he wasn’t working it was time to find a replacement. With our young WR corpse, perhaps a veteran assistant coach may be able to get more out of these guys rather than a young coach trying to find his way.

    Lewis had to do everything that he could to make an NFL roster- I expect that he will learn and grow from this job opportunity, and make another push someplace else in the NFL or college landscape. He’ll offer value to someone

  6. 6 TXEaglesFan said at 1:36 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I just hope they get a coach so that we stop collectively referring to them as WR corpse

  7. 7 Sb2bowl said at 6:39 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Can we please refer to them as The Dropping Dead?

  8. 8 Dave said at 10:39 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/818842065115238400

  9. 9 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 10:40 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    I have no issue with it.

  10. 10 anon said at 12:37 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    What? The Buffalo Bills? Do you start a WR on that team in fantasy? TT throws for like 100yds a game, can’t see how that guy is going to be better than the one we have.

  11. 11 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 12:47 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Name WR coach you want?

  12. 12 Bert's Bells said at 1:55 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Chip Kelly

  13. 13 Julescat said at 2:43 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    well they’re already paying him

  14. 14 anon said at 5:27 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Looks like the squad from the Jags are available. I’d scoop them up if possible.

  15. 15 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 6:42 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Id give him a look. He brought Marquise Lee back from the dead

  16. 16 Dave said at 12:08 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    https://twitter.com/mikerodak/status/818859334176120832

  17. 17 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:26 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Now we know who 2032 HOFer Paul Turner will thank first in his induction speech…

  18. 18 Tumtum said at 11:58 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    You know one thing that stood out to me when Greg was hired? Duce the former player went through every step a normal coach does to become a RB coach. I didn’t follow Greg’s coaching career before the Eagles but he sure didn’t seem to go through the same process. Thought it was odd at the time.

    Not for nothin Duce was a much better player than Greg as well.

  19. 19 Dave said at 12:12 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Duce
    College (none)

    NFL
    -Philadelphia Eagles (2011–2012)
    Special teams quality control

    -Philadelphia Eagles (2013–present)
    Running backs

    Lewis

    College
    -San Diego (2012)
    Wide receivers coach

    -San Jose State (2013)
    Wide receivers coach

    -Pittsburgh (2014)
    Wide receivers coach

    NFL
    -New Orleans Saints (2015)
    Offensive assistant

    -Philadelphia Eagles (2016)
    Wide receivers coach

  20. 20 Gary Barnes said at 2:05 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    5 different jobs in 5 years? That would have been a red flag for me….no one wanted to keep him

  21. 21 Dave said at 2:25 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Why would you read that and assumed he was fired at every job? Each successive step is considered a promotion.

  22. 22 Gary Barnes said at 2:39 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Who said he was fired from every job? I didn’t. I said it would be a red flag for me as a potential employer that all those teams let him leave and/or did not extend him as a coach. That says they were fine replacing him.

    I assume San Diego is San Diego State.

  23. 23 Dave said at 3:28 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I’m not sure you get that each new position he took was a promotion from the last job.

    You can’t move up the ladder if you stay on the same step. Lewis started on the bottom rung (while Duce started several steps ahead) and worked his way up several steps.

  24. 24 Gary Barnes said at 3:51 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Of course I get it. The point is that is not the best way to build your resume and shows clearly those programs/teams were ok with him leaving after only 1 year.

    As a employer who runs my own business, it is better to see someone that stayed for more than 1 year and was promoted by each organization they worked for.

    Seeing a resume where the person jumped from job to job every year is a red flag since it shows they are simply using your company to pad their bonafides and then leaving as soon as they can or that they wear out their welcome quickly. Employers value loyalty and continuity along with talent and performance.

    A promotion usually means staying with the same organization and getting rewarded with a better position. For example, if Lewis had stayed in one of those programs and was promoted to OC eventually, that would have been a good sign of his value and how the organization trusted him.

  25. 25 Bert's Bells said at 4:05 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Do you also pay your employees subsistence wages on one-year contracts?

    That’s the life of a college position coach.

  26. 26 Gary Barnes said at 4:19 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Huh? It is disruptive for a team to have yearly turnover in their coaching staff. If both Lewis and the team were both happy and wanted to continue working together, I’m sure they would have found a way. I doubt all or even most position coaches at the college level find new jobs every year.

  27. 27 Dave said at 4:33 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    “I doubt all or even most position coaches at the college level find new jobs every year.”

    You would have a much harder time finding a college head coach at a top 10 team or NFL head coach who didn’t change jobs almost every year when they started their career.

    James Franklin:
    1995 Kutztown (WR)
    1996 East Stroudsburg (DB)
    1996 Roskilde Kings (OC)
    1997 James Madison (WR)
    1998 Washington State (TE)
    1999 Idaho State (WR)
    2000–2004 Maryland (WR/RC)
    2005 Green Bay Packers (WR)
    2006–2007 Kansas State (OC/QB)
    2008–2010 Maryland (AHC/OC/QB)
    2011–2013 Vanderbilt
    2014–present Penn State

    Andy Reid
    Brigham Young (1982)
    Graduate Assistant
    San Francisco State (1983–1985)
    Offensive Line Coach
    Northern Arizona (1986)
    Offensive Line Coach
    Texas–El Paso (1987–1988)
    Offensive Line Coach
    Missouri (1989–1991)
    Offensive Line Coach
    Green Bay Packers (1992–1994)
    Offensive Assistant
    Green Bay Packers (1995–1996)
    Offensive Line Coach
    Green Bay Packers (1997–1998)
    Quarterbacks Coach & Assistant Head Coach
    Philadelphia Eagles (1999–2012)
    Head Coach
    Kansas City Chiefs (2013–present)
    Head Coach

  28. 28 Dave said at 4:34 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Nick Saban
    1973–1974 Kent State (GA)
    1975–1976 Kent State (LB)
    1977 Syracuse (OLB)
    1978–1979 West Virginia (DB)
    1980–1981 Ohio State (DB)
    1982 Navy (DB)
    1983–1987 Michigan State (DC/DB)
    1988–1989 Houston Oilers (DB)
    1990 Toledo
    1991–1994 Cleveland Browns (DC)
    1995–1999 Michigan State
    2000–2004 LSU
    2005–2006 Miami Dolphins
    2007–present Alabama

  29. 29 Dave said at 4:34 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Bill Belichick
    Baltimore Colts (1975)
    Special assistant
    Detroit Lions (1976)
    Assistant special teams coach
    Detroit Lions (1977)
    Receivers coach
    Denver Broncos (1978)
    Assistant special teams coach & defensive assistant
    New York Giants (1979)
    Special teams coach & defensive assistant
    New York Giants (1980–1984)
    Linebackers coach & special teams coach
    New York Giants (1985–1990)
    Defensive coordinator
    Cleveland Browns (1991–1995)
    Head coach
    New England Patriots (1996)
    Assistant head coach & defensive backs coach
    New York Jets (1997–1999)
    Assistant head coach & defensive coordinator
    New England Patriots (2000–present)
    Head coach

  30. 30 Dave said at 4:35 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Mike Tomlin
    VMI (1995)
    Wide receivers coach
    Memphis (1996)
    Graduate assistant
    Arkansas State (1997)
    Wide receivers coach
    Arkansas State (1998)
    Defensive backs coach
    Cincinnati (1999–2000)
    Defensive backs coach
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2001–2005)
    Defensive backs coach
    Minnesota Vikings (2006)
    Defensive coordinator
    Pittsburgh Steelers (2007–present)
    Head coach

  31. 31 PacificPurl said at 6:54 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Interesting that Tomlin coached on both sides of the line. Perhaps that’s one reason the Steelers hired him at such a young age to be HC. Then gave him time, as the Rooneys do things that way.

  32. 32 Dave said at 7:03 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    He was a wr in college and did not play defense. He was in the Mike Vick documentary on NFL Network last month. He and Vick both grew up in Newport News Virginia.

  33. 33 Bert's Bells said at 4:49 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Do you also hire prospective employees based on ill-researched assumptions about their past positions?

  34. 34 Anders said at 3:20 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    Why do people insist on comparing NFL and other sports job, with other jobs? Its two different worlds?

  35. 35 D3FB said at 7:25 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    Nope. San Diego is FCS non-scholarship. Harbaugh was the HC there before Stanford.

    He was technically retained when moving to SJSU because he was following the HC.

  36. 36 Bert's Bells said at 2:25 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    And some those jobs don’t even sound real. “San Diego?” Yeah, like I’m gonna believe there’s such a thing as “San Diego”.

  37. 37 Mac said at 2:33 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Yeah and coaching WRs in Pittsburgh is like coaching shortstops for the Flyers.

  38. 38 Birds4Life said at 2:48 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I think its German for a whale’s vagina.

  39. 39 ChoTime said at 6:18 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    It’s Spanish for “Unaffordable Paradise.”

  40. 40 DarthBanner said at 10:52 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    It’s German for a Whale’s Vagina.

    Damnit. I didn’t read below.

    Fine, its meaning was lost hundreds of years ago.

  41. 41 Tumtum said at 3:58 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Great point.

  42. 42 Tumtum said at 3:46 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Well then. Glad I included I don’t follow him before philly.

  43. 43 Dave said at 5:39 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Just provided the info to show Duce had a much easier path to coaching the RBs than Lewis did with the WRs.

    Also, Duce coached four running backs that made the Pro Bowl before he became the RB coach. Three of those were already All-Pros. He coached established stars, while Lewis was given no player with more than 3 years experience.

    With that being said, everything I’ve ever read about Duce is that he is an excellent coach.

  44. 44 Tumtum said at 11:25 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Well Greg started as a WR coach, albeit in college. I could of sworn Duce did an internship as well before becoming an official coach, which I guess could be left off of his resume?

    I was kind of mentally giving Greg the pass because of my wrong assumption of his coaching experience. Now I guess I just think he sucks. I liked him more than any of our current WRs though!

  45. 45 P_P_K said at 12:18 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    When an entire system sucks, it’s not a bad idea to at least issue a wake-up call by shaking things up like this. Whether Lewis is to blame, or not, a head had to roll. Hopefully, the receivers take notice and double their efforts.

  46. 46 Iskar36 said at 1:00 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Egh…. When was the last time scapegoating actually benefited the Eagles? I’m fine with the Eagles firing Lewis if he wasn’t living up to the standard the team expected from him as a coach, but firing someone as a wake-up call isn’t going to have any lasting effects over an entire offseason, training camp, and preseason. By the time the season starts next year, no one is going to recall Greg Lewis was fired and think, oh i have to double my efforts. Even midseason, firing a positional coach has a minimal effect as a wake-up call.

  47. 47 ChoTime said at 6:17 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Remember when we had the best special teams coach in the NFL and bad special teams?

    Remember when we had the best DL coach in the league and bad defense?

  48. 48 anon said at 1:33 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    “Jaguars wide receivers coach Jerry Sullivan won’t be back on the staff of new coach Doug Marrone, the Florida Times-Union reported Tuesday.

    Sullivan said that Marrone told him the team was “going in another direction.” Assistant wide receivers coach Tony Sorrentino was also let go.

    Sullivan spent the last five seasons with the Jaguars. He’s been in coaching for 45 years and in the NFL since 1992.

    Sullivan told Ryan O’Halloran of the Florida Times-Union that he feels he still has something to contribute but said it would take a special situation for him to keep coaching”.

  49. 49 anon said at 1:34 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Id make this move in a heartbeat i think. Forget the development of Robinson and Hurns, did anyone see Marquise Lee this year?

  50. 50 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 3:27 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Yeah. Lee was about to hit that train of USC bust. I would definitely give this guy an interview at least

  51. 51 Bert's Bells said at 1:48 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Forget “special situation”, how about “special needs”?

  52. 52 Ark87 said at 2:09 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    It was a tough go for Greg. On the one hand, those WR’s have more talent than their collective abysmal performance. On the other hand he is a young coach on his first season with a bunch of young guys (and no vets) learning a new system and the 2 biggest talents happen to be head-cases. I wouldn’t have minded him getting another shot to make adjustments and give him a chance to grow as a coach. But going for an immediate upgrade is welcomed too.

  53. 53 SteveH said at 2:42 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    lol, I forgot about this, the Pats beat the Texans with Jacoby Brissett starting. I think the line for the game is maybe too low at -17 or whatever. That’s going to be a slaughter.

  54. 54 bill said at 3:10 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a close game, but the Pats came out in the second half and just magically seemed to have the right play called for every blitz Houston runs. Not sure why I feel like it might go that way, but I just do…

  55. 55 P_P_K said at 6:56 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Great post.

  56. 56 Buge Halls said at 6:58 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    “Tape study”

  57. 57 jshort said at 7:40 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    of their practice”.

  58. 58 Sean Stott said at 3:36 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    It’s way too low unless they sit their starters, which sounds absurd at first but then you remember that the Texans are not a good football team at all.

  59. 59 CrackSammich said at 8:40 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    Always take the dog on lines that big. Always.

  60. 60 SteveH said at 2:46 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Those stories about Lewis are fairly damning… It’s nice to know he’s not just being scapegoated (was pretty sure he wasn’t).

  61. 61 anon said at 5:23 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Are they? Not saying Lewis was good or bad but i think it’s hard to make too much out of those (second is a little worse than the first).

  62. 62 ChoTime said at 6:16 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I don’t think so. Maybe Lewis was a bad coach and was part of the problem, but the McLane article doesn’t serve as evidence. Encouraging someone when they make a mistake is not bad coaching. The idea that getting in someone’s face and question their manhood if they drop a pass is old-school BS. Sure, it works for some people and doesn’t work for others.

    Nor is clowning around with Turnerz bad coaching.

    If he had gotten good results out of those guys, McLane would be writing an article using those very same incidents as evidence for all the things Lewis was doing right.

    Bottom line is, the results weren’t there. The rest is narrative.

    My takeaway is, I’ll believe coaching mattered when these particular receivers start playing markedly better with a new coach.

  63. 63 Buge Halls said at 6:57 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I wouldn’t trust McLane if he reported the sun was rising in the east tomorrow morning!

  64. 64 SteveH said at 3:48 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    Upon further review, you’re probably right. I think I feel biased against Greg Lewis because I never saw him as coaching material.

  65. 65 Mac said at 3:43 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Is it too early for me to post my off-season projections for 2018?

  66. 66 aron said at 4:03 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    yes

  67. 67 Bert's Bells said at 4:20 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Fax them to Howie.

  68. 68 Mac said at 4:25 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Haha, I’m a Howie fan… but I don’t want to find out what happens to people who send him a fax. I mean, the guy tosses people out of the stadium for yelling his name.

  69. 69 Bert's Bells said at 5:51 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    As long as Tebow is involved he’ll welcome your input.

  70. 70 Dave said at 6:03 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Serious question, do people still use fax machines?

  71. 71 PacificPurl said at 6:44 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    For legal documents which.require a signature.

  72. 72 Buge Halls said at 6:56 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Or, you can scan and e-mail

  73. 73 Dave said at 7:00 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Thats surprising. My business liability insurance made me fax over my signature for my liability insurance renewal every year until 2 years ago. Now I can sign, scan in color, and email back.

  74. 74 daveH said at 10:53 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    We have moved to e-sign. havent seen a fax in over a year

  75. 75 Bert's Bells said at 11:29 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    I was thinking of joining a credit union until I saw that I needed to fax them. Also, the Director’s Guild makes people fax them. Same with some state agencies like when an employer has to deal with unemployment audits.

  76. 76 Ryan Rambo said at 4:21 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Go for it!

  77. 77 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:39 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Hopefully we get this hire right, but position Coaches can only take us so far especially when it comes to a bunch of young Players like our group of WRs because they need to make significant improvements in the offseason and our coaches are limited in how much they can work with our players during the offseason.
    ..
    Not only do we need a good WR coach, we need kida like Agholar, DGB and Jordan to make sure that they are working with the right trainers

  78. 78 eagleyankfan said at 7:48 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    if the Eagles come back with those 3 as starters, it’ll be another long year…

  79. 79 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:02 PM on January 11th, 2017:

    I think all 3 will be back, because in the real world it’s unlikely that we can add more than two new WRs this offseason and since we need at least 5 on game day, I don’t know why you would think that DGb, jordan and Nelson WOULDNT be back.
    ..
    I think we will draft another WR and sigń or trade for a Veteran. These two additions are likely Tp be closer to NFL starters than your typical #4 or #5 WR.
    ..
    You migjt be down on nelson and DGB, but I don’t think most teams have that type of young talent at their #4 and #5 WR spots. If DGB and Nelson improve they will climb the depth chart, if they don’t then they won’t be here the following year when we can further invest in the WR positipn.
    ..
    But we are kidding ourselves if we think the Eagles will make significant investments in more than two new WRs this offseason. And if we only add two, why wouldnt we keep DGB, Nelson and Jordan while they are still on rookie contracts?

  80. 80 eagleyankfan said at 8:16 AM on January 12th, 2017:

    all 3 as starters. I still think all 3 return. But the issue still remains. They aren’t that good. Last spring(and with the arrival of DGB) there was the same talk. IF these guys progress, it’ll be a good group. There was no progression in 2016. Why would we still hope that DGB and Nelson improve again? DGB has already failed with another team. It’s not like he’s a rookie. I hope Eagles do find a young WR and a vet – and hope either one of them starts. JM/DGB/Nelson is a terrible starting trio. If the Eagles expect to progress as a team to be contenders, the have to greatly improve at wr.

  81. 81 scratcherk said at 7:14 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Man, the embarrassment of riches at skill positions in Pittsburgh — one of the best QBs, RBs, WRs in the game right now.

    Just to have one of those would be great, and to have one of (if not THE) best at each position.

  82. 82 Fufina said at 7:25 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I know people are kind of down on things at the moment – but we have some really good young players. Hicks is one of the best young play making LB’s in decades so far (11 TO’s in 24 games for the first time since the 70’s). Cox is a monster. Johnson is the best RT in the NFL (when not pissing purple) Genuinely think Ertz with some QB stability with Wentz is a top 5 TE. We have one of the best pairs of safeties in the NFL and got 3-4 years of them in their prime.

    That is a spine of a defence you can build around. Do we need help outside? hell yes our outside WR’s and CB’s are putrid, but getting upgrades from awful to just average is not hard…. and at that point this is a pretty damn good team if Wentz can make steps forward.

  83. 83 Tumtum said at 11:14 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I am with you completely. Of course I thought we were going to win 11 games this year…with Sam Bradford…so my opinion is probably not worth listening to.

  84. 84 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 6:28 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    Nah… I am glad Wentz started but I dont think we would have necessarily been a dumpster fire with Sleeves, esp if Lane didn’t get suspended.

  85. 85 Tumtum said at 12:40 PM on January 11th, 2017:

    I still think we add some wins with Sleeves to be honest. Turns out the Lane suspension may have been even more impacting than the QB trade.

  86. 86 eagleyankfan said at 7:57 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    to be honest, I’m not sure how/why anybody can be down. 2016 was all about Wentz. I know people hate to see it that way, but that’s all it was. Eagles already had Cox/Johnson/Ertz and 1 safety. Eagles know what they can do. New coaches will have a better feel for the players vs. scheme. The know they have Wentz(who still needs to be groomed). To help Wentz progress, he’s going to need better WR’s(as you’ve stated). Your last sentence is perfect IMHO. Lots to be excited about….

  87. 87 truehaynes said at 7:29 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I honestly think bell and brown are the top 2 players on football regardless of position

  88. 88 Tumtum said at 11:13 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    For my money I am going to take David Johnson but Bell is damn good.

  89. 89 Anders said at 2:33 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    and yet they hardly dominate

  90. 90 Media Mike said at 9:20 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    https://twitter.com/viccarucci/status/819004570621906946

    I’m so sorry Buffalo fans. You’ve really suffered enough and now you’re going to suffer for another 3 or 4 years.

  91. 91 A_T_G said at 9:37 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I realize your opinions are forever based on his failures here in an impossible situation, but I kind of think McDermitt might turn out to be a solid head coach.

  92. 92 Julescat said at 10:31 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    based on what?

  93. 93 Mitchell said at 9:51 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Not sure what to think about Williams vs Davis. On one hand Davis has ALL the attention on him whereas Williams probably has the better team overall. Both can make contested catches. Williams looks to have more acceleration and has mastered the back-shoulder catch with Watson. Davis may be the better route runner. I honestly don’t think the broken neck thing will raise any red flags. If Williams can do what he did this year, he’ll be fine. Overall I think Williams goes before Davis due to competition faced but landing either would be awesome.

  94. 94 ACViking said at 10:11 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Andy Reid … an oak of a coaching tree.

    – Pederson
    – Childress
    – Spagnuolo
    – Shurmer
    – Harbaugh
    – Frazier
    – Rivera
    – McDermott (?)

    That’s impressive, regardless of how they may have done.

  95. 95 myartz04 said at 10:37 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Not to mention Pederson is his only branch from KC (sort of). There will likely be more added to the list in the future.

  96. 96 daveH said at 10:49 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Take it up and count all them to Holmgren’s trree

  97. 97 BobSmith77 said at 11:25 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Sapling from the Holmgren tree

  98. 98 Rellihcs said at 7:35 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    Holmgren is branch of Walsh tree… lest we forget…

  99. 99 Dave said at 8:40 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    I was going to say when you coach as long as Andy did, you’re bound to have a pretty large and somewhat successful coaching tree. Then I looked up Jeff Fisher’s coaching tree…

    Mike Munchak
    Jim Schwartz
    Gregg Williams

    I think it goes to show that Andy was just as much as a teacher and mentor to the coaches, as he was to the players.

  100. 100 BobSmith77 said at 11:30 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    I don’t even think Lewis got that much out of Turner as much as that was just the kind of player & person Turner is.

    WR coach to me is overblown but more and more I would like to see both an experienced WR coach along with signing at least one veteran WR upgrade.

    More and more I am keen on the idea of going very high on secondary including a CB in the 1st round and maybe moving up in 2nd again since there are supposedly 12-14 high quality CBs in this draft. Basically following the 2002 draft. Sign a lesser veteran to possibly start and let them all compete in camp with Mills for the slot corner position.

  101. 101 Rellihcs said at 7:33 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    Although I’m enticed by Corey Davis and Bennett the Tenn. DE, I really find it hard to disagree with your draft philosophy there. If we could sure up our secondary that would go a long way. Some of the top corners are just awesome too.

  102. 102 Mac said at 9:36 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    I’m all in on making CB the priority.

  103. 103 bsuperfi said at 9:39 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    I’m actually starting to go the other direction–I’d love to do either RB/WR or WR/RB in rounds 1 and 2. Clearly our corners are a position of extreme need. But I saw the argument somewhere (probably in the comments section here) that it’s most important to get Wentz some playmakers now. I’ve come to agree with that for a bunch of reasons:

    As Tommy said in some recent post, many strong young QBs started out with some serious weapons (e.g. Peyton Manning). It helps them learn to trust their weapons and ultimately not develop bad habits that come from being gun shy. It’ll also allow our skill positions to grow with each other. Clearly, we’ve doubled down on the QB position. So, we should put in the supporting investments to help the QB position develop as quickly and as well as possible.

    Of course, we still need to address corner. If there’s one position I’d sink money into this offseason in FA, it’s corner (recent burns doing this be damned). For me, it’s just about match ups–does FA or the draft make the most sense given what else is going on?

  104. 104 Ryan Rambo said at 10:15 AM on January 11th, 2017:

    Good morning Eagle family!

    https://youtu.be/ZGzJqWkofSI

  105. 105 Sb2bowl said at 1:05 PM on January 11th, 2017:

    I feel like this video needs more Kenny Chesney

  106. 106 Ryan Rambo said at 2:19 PM on January 11th, 2017:

    Lol…i see what u did there!

  107. 107 Mac said at 12:20 PM on January 11th, 2017:

    Watched the condensed version of the Eagles Cowboys last night. It’s truly a shame that Ertz has not played consistently up to that level. The coaching staff needs to find a way to get the light to go on for him and stay on all season. DGB looks like the same player as Jordan Matthews to me (big target, sometimes makes a great play other times drops the pass), but with less focus. Agholor… did the stripper incident ruin this season, or his career? Can we get someone from Greenbay to teach our WRs how to move and catch balls on a broken play?

    I’m even more ready than I was before to bring DeSean back. This offense doesn’t need a superstar dominant WR… it needs the right players who compliment each other and can play their roles properly (and catch the football). Wentz has the arm to utilize the whole field, and DeSean gives the team immediate access to the deep pass. Adding an 800 yrd/season WR will really boost the team.

    I think the key to offensive success will be a multifaceted attack where Wentz is audibles regularly, uses his ability to extend plays, and get the ball to a menagerie of mediocre WRs, TEs, and RBs.

  108. 108 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 12:34 PM on January 11th, 2017:

    I think Ertz and Wentz have a better connection in year 2 and Pederson makes him a bigger part of the offense.