Tough Guys

Posted: January 7th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 219 Comments »

I wrote about Joe Douglas recently and mentioned that he is likely to want guys that are big, strong, tough and physical. A few people wondered if that wasn’t the same thing Chip Kelly wanted. You know, big people beat up little people. There is a definite difference.

Kelly loved size. He loved measurables. I think Douglas is more about attitude. Think about the difference in Connor Barwin and Terrell Suggs. Think about the difference in Anquan Boldin and Miles Austin. The Ravens didn’t just want guys with size. They didn’t just want guys with strength. They wanted people who would literally beat up other guys. They wanted guys who played with an edge.

Size without attitude is just a number.

Ravens players are tough. They have an attitude. The Ravens might praise a player they liked as “a blood-and-guts, relentless guy”. That description was for LB John Simon, a player that Douglas and Andy Weidl coveted. He didn’t pan out for the Ravens, but kept grinding and became a good LB for the Texans.

Effort, toughness and attitude are key traits. Players must be highly competitive.  Douglas is that kind of guy himself.

It comes as no surprise that Douglas is extremely competitive, especially in football. “I am not an outwardly screaming kind of guy, but I do whatever it takes to win the game,” he says.

That’s the same type of drive the former NFL football scout looks for in his players — people who hate to lose more than they enjoy winning. “I look for that desire to win. That mental toughness,” he says. “The NFL will humble everybody. You have to be able to pick yourself up when the going gets tough. I’m looking for guys that love football, that make great teammates and that hate to lose.”

Here’s another good story about Douglas and toughness from his Ravens days.

On a May afternoon following the 2007 NFL Draft, several Baltimore scouts were meeting in the office of Joe Douglas, who at the time, was in charge of cross-checking all offensive line prospects the Ravens deemed draftable.

Without notice, then-director of college scouting Eric DeCosta walked into the room and made a silent, yet attention-striking statement.

Picking up a Dry Erase marker, DeCosta quickly scribbled something on Douglas’ whiteboard. Never uttering a single word, he then turned around and exited the office – leaving behind a message that had his scouts beaming.

YANDA = TOUGH-A**

DeCosta’s declaration came fresh off his return from the Ravens’ first offseason rookie minicamp. In practice that day, a young Marshal Yanda had made an immediate impression – one that began validating the Ravens’ decision to utilize a third-round pick on the promising Iowa Hawkeye.

Receiving high grades from every Ravens scout who evaluated him for months, Yanda exhibited outstanding intelligence, an exceptional work ethic, a desire to excel, and most importantly, a level of toughness that went beyond extremes.

Recalling Baltimore’s initial evaluation of Yanda, Douglas states: “We knew we could win with this guy on our offensive line.”

Yanda will battle you on the field, but he would also out-work you off the field. He will do anything to win. That’s the kind of relentless, tough player that Douglas wants. Toughness can be physical, mental or emotional.

*****

I have mentioned a time or two the need for stability. That has been a huge part of the Ravens success over the years.

The NFC personnel director states, “What Baltimore does, they play a certain way, and they find pieces that fit the way they play. They don’t re-sign guys above the value they’ve assigned them, and they find players who fit roles, even if some of those guys have issues. They feel like they can work those out because they have a strong locker room. Ozzie knows what he wants in a player, and he goes and gets it. They miss like everyone else, but they have a plan and they’re good at executing it. … Everyone there is so clearly on the same page, and that’s key. They work well together, they’re consistent in what they’re looking for and they haven’t changed much. They just find people that fit, and when guys move on, they find other people to fit in.”

The Ravens and their continuity in their front office leads me into my next point, head coaches and general managers should be allowed to play out their vision. Teams hire these guys and then sometimes they’ll end up being fired two years into the job, which doesn’t even really give players time to buy into the coach’s system or the coach time to fill the roster with the kind of players he needs to succeed.

In short, the Ravens have a vision and they stick to it. They play the long game. They are patient. That fits in to what Howie Roseman talked about earlier in the week and it is the smart philosophy for this team. Howie, Douglas and Doug Pederson are on the same page in terms of how to build the Eagles.

That plan won’t do them any good if they can’t find the right players. Knowing how competitive Douglas is, you can bet he will do anything and everything he can to find some tough guys and turn the Eagles around.

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  • OakBrigade

    I’m sure Douglas was a great add for us.

    Look at the Ravens now, the last great player they drafted was CJ Mosley.
    Since Douglas moved, Ozzie seemed to miss on some picks on recent drafts.

    • Tumtum

      Adding players to NFL should be judged like batting in the MLB. The Ravens have always missed more than they have hit. Everyone does.

      • OakBrigade

        Thats true.

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  • Media Mike

    Size without attitude is just a number.

    #76 mostly

    http://www.thetallestman.com/images/shawnbradley/shawnbradley%20(4).jpg

    • PacificPurl

      How about 86.

    • A Roy

      Certainly not 18.

  • Media Mike

    I would love to add some really aggressive and nasty players to this team.

    • Tumtum

      Like Honey Beau Beau?

      • Media Mike

        A little more talented than that hopefully.

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  • Dragon_Eagle

    I am hoping the DET-SEA game is better than the earlier game. Shame about Oakland’s season after losing Carr. Houston is a fraud.

    Anyone been to the Seattle stadium for a game? Looks like a great arena.

    • Media Mike

      Agree x 3

      • ACViking

        MM:

        Your Shawn Bradley comment . . .

        Better than a jeroboam of ’85 Latour.

        • Media Mike

          I feel both good and bad for our friends on here who are either too young and/or not 4 for 4 Philly folks to remember that debacle.

          • Dragon_Eagle

            I recall that. I was still (and remain to this day) pissed off about trading away Barkley. Then, they ruined the team with that disaster.

          • Media Mike

            Barkley was my favorite guy, but he forced his way out. The problem was not getting rapist / wedded to hell spawn Kevin Johnson and instead getting slacker / no effort Jeff Hornacek.

          • teltschikfakeout88

            The sixers got who they could…I believe they thought Clarence Witherspoon in the 92 draft who was supposed to be the next Barkley….so harnacek wasn’t a bad piece…but that started a string of piss poor lottery picks…Sharon wright anyone?

          • Media Mike

            Hornacek dogged it while he was here; badly. And you’re correct that Spoon and Sharone Wright were brutal. I think Spoon led the NBA in getting his shot blocked twice.

        • Media Mike

          And thank you.

        • daveH

          Had to look that up … ended up reading all about the ’45 Cheval Blanc .. and the ’47 Latour. . Cool diversion, thanks ACV

        • laeagle

          I really, really wish I had been the first person to use the word “jeroboam” on this board.

        • A Roy

          But not better than a Methusalah?

    • slackerjoe

      I was at Seattle for the ’08 Eagles game where we crushed them 26-7. Brent Celek and Kevin Curtis had big games and Reggie Brown and Herremans both scored TD’s. Loudest stadium I’ve ever been to. Great atmosphere.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Wow. Great catch.

    • ACViking

      What made it even greater than great was the WR (Richardson) held himself in the air by grabbing the DBs facemask from behind.

      And twisting the DBs head.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        And got away with it.

  • GENETiC-FREAK

    Was Douglas part of Ravens when Upshaw was drafted?

    • Tumtum

      He was there the last 15 years…

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  • myartz04

    I’m just estatic when an Eagles receiver makes any catch. If one of our guys could make a catch like that I’d shit my pants.

  • ACViking

    love worthless trivia like —

    Thomas Rawls is the first Seahawk RB to run for 100 yards in the 1st half of a playoff game . . .

    when the game was on Saturday, after 8pm, and the opponent was from the NFC Central.

    OMG!!!

    • Dragon_Eagle

      But see, I want the job where I just play with stats to come up with filler BS like this. Carson Wentz is the first Eagles rookie with the letter ‘Z’ in his name to throw for over 3,000 yards born under the sign of Capricorn.

    • PacificPurl

      Hi AC. Here in the Seattle area it was only after 5 pm.

  • aron

    she had no clue why the crowd was cheering

  • Insomniac

    I don’t think Russel Wilson will ever be the Seahawk’s identity. His playoff success has always been determined by how strong his run game is. Lets see how far Rawls can take him.

    • PacificPurl

      Russell Wilson and the LOB are definitely the Seahawks identity in the Seahawks market area.

  • Mitchell

    Is there any scenario where the Eagles draft Mike Williams this year? Changes the whole offense, I believe he is everything we have pined after for the past several years. Size, toughness, attitude, uses his body to wall off defenders, strong hands at the point of attack.

    • Cafone

      The Eagles would have to move up to get him. I would never put that past Howie, but Kempski wrote that it might be more likely that they move back for more picks because of the depth of the draft.

      • Fufina

        Think that is unlikely – i know its early in the process but there seems to be 12-15 elite tier prospects (+QB’s), and then you have a drop off to the next tier of guys.

        Think this is a draft you let come to you in the 1st and then maybe look at a little trade up in the 2nd so you can grab a guy who fits a need.

    • Media Mike

      Davenport wants folks to slow them selves down a tad on Williams.

      https://twitter.com/TDavenport_NFL/status/818056589181652992

      • Insomniac

        The speed thing is dumb. Dez Bryant, Deandre Hopkins, AJ Green, Jordy Nelson, Jarvis Landry, and etc are 4.5-4.6 guys. No one cares about how often they burn other guys but they can do it anyway.

    • D3FB

      He’s probably has to run like shit or have the neck get red flagged at the combine.

      Davis will most likely outduel him in the underwear olympics portion of the evaluations.

      It’s possible but I think it would be unlikely (even if CD jumps him for WR1, he could still go before us).

      We can’t really move up. The only ammo we can really afford to part with is day 3 picks (and our arsenal of 4s next year).

      • Mitchell

        Would you be happy with Davis? Seems like a great player but I love Williams toughness.

        • D3FB

          I prefer Williams but Davis has grown on me. I could also dig a small trade back and going for John Ross.

          • Mitchell

            Would be happy with any of those guys. I feel better about them than I did with Ags.

  • Mitchell

    Side note: I wonder how many people here think my profile pic is actually me.

    • laeagle

      You’ve got crazy eyes, too?

    • daveH

      I only look closely if its a pic of Dawk

    • Tumtum

      Me you Chotime Fufina… we are all the guys who use our own pictures in our avatar. Everyone knows that.

    • A Roy

      Looks like the Fippster to me. But if Tumtum looks anything like his avatar, someone rode him hard and put him up wet.

  • ChoTime

    I’m always uneasy about these guys that want big guys or tough guys. How about, get really good football players? I don’t think any GM says, “I want to build a team around small-framed, powder-puff, low-effort divas.”

    • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

      A) Mental toughness is a huge component of being a good football player. It’s why I always believed in Graham, and have no faith in Agholor.

      B) This philosophical stuff applies more to the later rounds, when you don’t know if the people you’re picking will be “really good football players.”

      C) Chip loaded the team with powder-puff guys, because tough guys don’t give respect until it’s earned.

    • Tumtum

      Maybe what we need around here is a few fastballs.

      • ChoTime

        Little, weak fastballs, or big, tough fastballs? 🙂

  • daveH

    Im trying to go back 6 years of discus comments to see what i wrote about Brandon Graham. .. i know i thought JPP was my call … i know i accused andy of outsmarting everyone … i dont think i was bashing him …

    • PacificPurl

      People have been bashing Graham this year because he doesn’t have an enormous number of sacks. Like Benny and a few others. They do their jobs.

      • BobSmith77

        Who has been bashing Graham? He was the Eagles best DL this year including being their most consistent one. He was also by far their best pass-rusher.

        This was the first year I thought he really lived up to some of his draft hype with a great season.

        I would give him an A/A- this year.

    • Cafone

      I’m fairly certain I was on the Graham’s side the whole time. I think it’s stupid when players get labeled busts when they have an injury. That also means I was on Nate Allen’s side but that didn’t turn out quite as well.

      • Ankerstjernen

        Throughout the years is has been part of the conversation that he has been getting a lot of pressure on a per-snap basis. I think, even with the critique, there has always been plenty of people who was willing to argue about his potential, because it was always kind of there, to see. In small samples, obviously. With Agholor, this has not exactly been the case.

      • Tumtum

        Nate Allen is at least an NFL safety. We werent the only team who considered him a starter either.

      • A Roy

        I’ve was glad they chose Graham over, well, anyone else available. I watched him absolutely destroy Penn State the fall before he was drafted.

      • daveH

        I think and hoping i was w BG.
        How about Agholor?
        Easy to root for Ags but Tough to believe he will turn it on .. antonio Brown just scored and he was a 6th roundrr!!!

  • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

    He wants players who hate losing more than they like to win?

    Get out of my brain, Joe!

    Chip never acquired those guys (and dumped most of the ones he inherited), because he’s a terrible leader, and guys like Boldin demand that their respect be earned, and aren’t afraid to question coaches.

    Chip prioritizes people who will listen to him unquestioningly over people who can play football well.

    • PacificPurl

      Oh please. You loved him for 2 straight years when he got winning seasons out of players who had been chosen by someone else. And like Tommy said, firing coaches after a couple of years is counterproductive. Again, look at the Steelers. Three, that is 3, coaches since 1972. Been to the playoffs nearly 30 times, I think,. Six. That’s six, Super Bowls. Aiming for 7 again this year. Consistency.

      • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

        And then he drove off all the players who won him those games…and replaced them with a bunch of soft, shitty ones who were nice to him.

        He’s a shitty play caller, talent evaluator and leader of men, which is why he’s the only Eagles coach between 1986 and 2015 who failed to play in multiple playoff games…and why he couldn’t improve on Jim Tomsula in SF.

      • Media Mike

        1 and 13/16th years. The Dallas choke at the end of year two when that team wasn’t up for a must win game ended my love of him.

      • Greg

        Chip was an experiment. He had a good offense and inherited great players. By his 3rd year he got rid of the good players and failed to replace them. Plus the NFL adjusted to him but he proved that he couldn’t adjust to the NFL. 2 year success is meaningless in the NFL which is basically your argument above. When chip proved to be the NFL failure that he was (i say “was” because he will never coach in the NFL again) the Eagles moved on… Not because they are dumb and want to change coaches quickly, but because chip was a franchise destroyer.

        • BobSmith77

          Great players? He had great skill players and a quality OL. Rode that to real success in the 1st year in large part due to the injury-free OL and their ability to score a lot of points quickly.

          • anon

            second year? was def not a healthy oline

          • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

            We did have Foles, though.

          • Will Ft. Daft Punk

            He was bad the 2nd year.

          • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

            His second year was also better than Bradford’s 2015, despite never having more than 2 of his starting OL on the field.

            Which doesn’t mean he was good, either.

          • Greg

            I was talking mostly about skill players on offense, it was a much better team than what he left them with.

      • The original AG

        But the Steelers both have had good coaches and good GMs. I understand the consistency argument if you have the people in place, but by that same argument consistency can work against you if you the people in those positions keep making the same dumb mistakes (RE: see Andy Reid).

        I really did like Reid and wanted him to win, but he kept getting in his own way too many times (and still does). Consistency for consistency sake doesn’t always work if you’re main goal is to win a Superbowl.

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    • laeagle

      please stop

      • daveH

        Sofa king irritating i feel it .. is it me or is a new advertisement every 6 comments beyond fun ?? WtF is happening to this schit T Law ?? They better be paying you ALOT

        • Tumtum

          Dude. Let the guy monetize. He could just drop a subscription fee on us. Would you prefer that?

          • A Roy

            Well, if he’s gonna make some money on us, he’d better improve the quality of the comments in this section.

          • Tumtum

            Never mind

          • daveH

            I definitely want Tomy to get paid! !
            But damn, put up some ads that arent sofa king mindless and insultingly idiotic and pure internet trolling schit.
            ..and its as mindless as every 5 comments. . It undermines his intellect.

          • Tumtum

            You can thank Discus for the types of ads you receive. They are actually targeted based on your location, browsing history, etc.

          • daveH

            Just becsuse they use a targeted algo doesn’t mean its intelligent.
            ..
            they bunch whatever associations they want, still doesnt mean i want to see zac effron or honey boo boo
            .
            … it can be argued very easily that T Law now trolls internet bullschit, and by patronizing the site we are complicit.

          • daveH

            But im glad its on discus not tommy. Great point. That i didnt think about.

          • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

            Fuck Disqus.

            That is all.

          • daveH

            I mean these ads, their hollow content and mindless positioning are the definition of internet trash.

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    • Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard

      Tommy has every right to run ads, you entitled prick. xo

      • daveH

        Well if he wants comments… there ya go .. more clicks make him more moola.. every complaint is click bait success.
        ‘Preesh the xo … would also appreciate hearing what honey boo boo looks like now

        • Buge Halls

          Don’t like it, mail him a check. Or stop coming to this page. Do you work for free? Why should he?

          • daveH

            I sent money for his FL recon trip .. did you ?
            If we stop coming here he cant make money ..you get how this works ?

          • daveH

            Its Discus doing it . . You sure he is getting paid ? You know ?
            Cool, i sure hope he is.
            I think the ads slammed into the comments suck.

  • Media Mike

    Hopefully these guys are tough enough.

    Round 1 Pick 19 (T.B.): Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (A)
    Round 2 Pick 19 (T.B.): Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 3 Pick 12: Forrest Lamp, OG, Western Kentucky (A)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 1: Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU (A)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Travis Rudolph, WR, Florida State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 12: Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova (B)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Levon Myers, OT, Northern Illinois (A)

    • A Roy

      The Fabulous (Thunder) Birds comes to mind. Or the Stones if you’re old enough.

  • aron

    all right stop what ya doin, cause Im about to ruin the image and the style that ya used too

    • daveH

      Underwater rhymes .. my favorite track on that album. Yep album.

  • eagleyankfan

    I haven’t gone through all the comments so this may have been addressed already. Wasn’t Douglas hired after the JS? What if JS doesn’t prefer the kind of guys Douglas wants? What if they don’t fit JS scheme? I’m sure those two guys talk, I’m just curious if those guys are on the same page….CK demanded a different defense. AR made JC a DC. Just seeing if they are avoiding those pitfalls again…

  • BobSmith77

    If it was any consolidation watching the Lions-Seahawks game yesterday, the Eagles would have taken a similiar beating if they made the playoffs instead of the Lions losing by that game by at least 10+ points.

    Of course, it would have brought the same level of complaining from the majority of Eagles’ fans about how competitive this team, another season they didn’t win a SB, etc.

  • BobSmith77

    Never understood the ridiculously simplistic ‘big guys beat small guys’ cliche Kelly used at times.

    It always left me wondering ‘ok’ I guess if nothing else is considered but so generic as to be basically meaningless.

    Kind of ironic too that he brought in Sproles and he was arguably been their best offensive weapon at times during in 2014 and 2015 too. Always thought he was an interesting fantasy option in SD and NO but really learned to appreciate him more & more.

    If anything what Sproles did this year at his age and with the injuries he suffered didn’t get appreciated enough by Eagles’ fans. Argue there wasn’t a tough guy on the Eagles this year on a ‘pound for pound’ basis.

    • PacificPurl

      Maybe re-read the sentence about Douglas wanting BIG tough strong etc.

      • BobSmith77

        Again just more of a cliche. What team doesn’t largely want ‘big/tough/strong’ players at a number of positions?

    • ChoTime

      Exactly. We all would like players to be big, tough, high-character, big hands–in addition to being fantastic football players. It’s the “fantastic football player” part that is priority.

      • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

        I mean, there are plenty of guys like Danny Watkins with all the talent in the world, but no grit.

        If you’ve got similarly-ranked players, erring on the side of someone with an obsessive desire to be the best, even if they’re an asshole, is a very real strategy.

        • ChoTime

          Sure, for a tie-breaker. But again… kind of a no-brainer, really?

          • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

            You’d think…and yet people spend high picks on guys like Sam Bradford, Nelson Agholor and Eric Rowe.

          • ChoTime

            I guess, but they were thought to be talented at the time.

  • scratcherk

    Antonio Brown on pace for 1000 yards this game

    • daveH

      6th round pick

  • BobSmith77

    Steelers’ fan showing how savvy they are. Roethisberger asked for one thing this week for fans to be very quiet when the Steelers are on offense and it was eerily quiet on their first 2 possessions.

    Nice to have a play maker at WR too. Brown has had 2 long TDs already with huge YAC and yesterday both Hopkins/Baldwin played huge roles in their teams’ victories.

    Don’t need a Top 10 WR to win a playoff game but certainly a No. 1 better than Matthews to win. Matthews is a poor man’s Baldwin at best.

  • BobSmith77

    Tommy – Can you write a blog posting on Kenny Stills this week? Intrigued by what other who are a lot more salary savvy on here about contracts think he’ll get along with if he is a decent fit here.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/19964/mailbag-dolphins-wr-kenny-stills-makes-a-lot-of-sense-for-eagles

    • Dave

      I like Stills but the problem I see is the contract he will demand. Another #2 receiver last year, Mohamed Sanu, signed a $32M contract with the Falcons. Although they are different types of players, Stills wouldn’t have the luxury to play beside Julio Jones and would be expected to be something more than a #2. Then JMatt, also a #2 receiver, would require an even bigger contact.

  • GordonGekko

    I think Douglas and the other guy that came along with him will be an upgrade in the draft room, but Howie will still make the picks

    • A Roy

      I have no problem with that. Howie’s strength is valuation. Douglas’s strength is supposed to be Evaluation. That should be a good mix if egos and whiny coaches are kept in check.

      • GordonGekko

        Yes, I agree.

      • Dave

        Couldn’t have said it better.

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      I think Howie will Douglas do his thing. He might have final say but I dont think he is going to come in and disregard Joe’s scouting work. Somebody has to have final say in the process

      • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

        Yup. Joe’s job is to find out how good each player will be in the Eagles’ schemes.

        Howie’s is to answer the question “How much net value will each of these similarly ranked players add to our roster, relative to options later in the draft…and will the cost of trading up/gain of trading down be worth the change in value from this round’s pick?”

        Those are completely different skillsets.

  • anon

    whose name am i hearing a lot this game? Alonso, Alonso, Alonso.

    • PacificPurl

      Maybe Alonso and Maxwell and Murray were good choices after all. They just didn’t want to be in Philly.

    • daveH

      I watched 1st 5 min .. saw kiko as last guy in on every pile. . 6TH Rounder Antonio Brown owning people right and left …
      ..but sounds like i better turn the game back on

      • Will Ft. Daft Punk

        You do know that Antonio Brown is the best WR in the NFL, right?

        • daveH

          Uh, yoo asking me to say I Do

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Steelers are dirty bastards. I hates ’em almost as much as I hate the Cowboys, Patri*ts, and Giants.

    • anon

      i mean if that was BG on Romo, i’m clapping.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Well, yeah, that’s totally different of course.

        • anon

          will say you can see after that hit a change in swag of steelers defense, they’re trying to crush people on every tackle.

    • Buge Halls

      Saw at least three plays where they lead with their head to the other players head. Dirty as the old Raiders!

  • A_T_G

    Compared to Wentz, Moore looks like he is running through wet concrete.

    • Dave

      I his defense, he does have a concussion.

  • BobSmith77

    So much for the dogs getting so much love this weekend. Getting crushed and I didn’t understand it especially the backups playing (Raiders/Dolphins).

  • BobSmith77

    Steelers were the one team who played this weekend who I thought had a decent shot to go to the Super Bowl. Crushed a mediocre Dolphins’ team even more than I thought they would. Reminded me of years’ past where the Dolphins would go on the road with Marino in the cold only to stumble.

    Arrowhead isn’t nearly as tough to win as it used to be and the Steelers were the one team I really liked to go to Gillette Stadium & possibly beat the Pats.

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      I think the Steelers, Chiefs and Pats all have realistic chances to win the SB.

      I think every team left in the NFC has a chance to get there as well.

    • anon

      that offense is scrazy

    • Dragon_Eagle

      I would add the Packers and maybe Seattle to that could win the whole enchilada list. Packers have been hot and hopefully the crush the Giants today. Seahawks, if that running game really gets on track would match up well with Dallas.

      • Media Mike

        I LOVE Seattle, but they’re terrible on the road this year. I don’t see them winning at Atlanta.

    • Media Mike

      The Steelers are going to get slapped in KC next week. Their soft o-line is going to get exposed out there.

      And now Ben is in a walking boot.

      • BobSmith77

        If Big Ben isn’t healthy, then no. They have been just snakebit with key offensive injuries the last few years in the playoffs.

  • anon

    Can i get mad at howie for not picking bell? Or antonio brown?

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      Might as well get mad at him not drafting Shermqn or Norman.

      I’d be more concerned about them straight blowing picks(Marcus Smith II) than missing guys the rest of the league missed.

      • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

        Especially since we had Shady at the time.

  • Will Ft. Daft Punk

    I think ODB is going to run wild

    • Tumtum

      He is going to have his yards. I think the Pack give them the business though. Well… I hope they do.

      • Will Ft. Daft Punk

        GB better figure out that secondary. I dont think the Giants’ WR are going to keep bailing them out.

    • anon

      It’s nice when the times runs an article about how prolific you are.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    go pack. ugh.

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      Collins was beat too

      • Media Mike

        Collins is WAY overrated. He can’t cover worth a crap, but got a lot of highlights this year due to good corner play and pass rush forcing bad throws.

  • The original AG

    Sounds like Joe Douglas is the key to success. The Eagles haven’t generally drafted guys like that under Howie, and the last time Howie wanted to bring someone in with that type of attitude – it was a subpar CB named Cary Williams.

    • anon

      given the rest of the cbs, including fletch id go so far as to say cary was “par”

    • Tumtum

      The worst part is that Cary was better than probably anything we have had since him.

      • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

        Cary was a thoroughly fine CB. He’s the same guy as Carroll and McKelvin (who actually has a similar mentality to Cary).

        He just talked a lot more, so people thought expected him to be better than he is.

        • Tumtum

          He loved to talk, I’ll give you that.

        • Tumtum

          I just want Sheldon Brown and Lito Shepard back.

          • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

            -So say we all.

    • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

      I mean, Cox, Lane and Boykin (and occasionally Kendricks) play with swagger, and a bit of “fuck-you.”

      The choirboys were almost certainly a Chip edict, judging from he fact that Marcus Peters wasn’t on our draft board.

      • anon

        boykin??

        • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

          Thought he should have been picked in the second, and did push-ups any time he missed a pick.

          Kid played with a chip and a half on his shoulder.

  • anon

    giants can’t possibly win can they?

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      I dont see why not. As soon as they offense stops holding back the D i think they can blow the doors off

  • Buge Halls

    “In short, the Ravens have a vision and they stick to it. They play the long game.” Don’t tell that to Philly fans – most of them think you can rebuild a team in one year with a new coaching staff. About 1/2 the city wants the Eagles to clean house again!

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      Fan base has no patience.

      • anon

        to be fair we have a ton of patience.

        • Will Ft. Daft Punk

          Everyone is already trying to send Pederson into the Sun

          • ChoTime

            Everyone? That’s kind of emo.

          • Will Ft. Daft Punk

            Didn’t think i needed to explain hyperbole

          • BobSmith77

            That would be incredibly expensive and the state/city can ill afford that.

        • BobSmith77

          No they don’t.

          I do want to see the Eagles’ fans and just how much patience they have after winning a Super Bowl.

          To the Phillies’ fans credit, they did not boo Lidge in 2009 despite one of the worst seasons by a reliever in the past 50 years.

          • anon

            i’m saying we’ve never won and we’re still one of the most rabid fan bases

      • aron

        this fanbase?, Patience, really? what year of rebuilding are we in now? patience?

  • sonofdman

    That was awesome! Go Packers!

  • Will Ft. Daft Punk

    That should never happen

  • scratcherk

    Lol f u giants

  • FairOaks

    McCarthy gave it right back, kinda, by going for an ill-advised 4th down attempt at midfield. Just punt it there, make the Giants go the whole field.

  • Will Ft. Daft Punk

    Randall Cobb wasn’t on the boat 😀

  • scratcherk

    Love how boatgate will be in full effect this off-season for the giants

  • scratcherk

    Seems so simple, why can’t our receivers do that?

  • Dragon_Eagle

    I will not miss ODB during the offseason.

    • kid

      I second that

    • anon

      odb only 30yds receiving in first playoff game must not be a true no. 1– says all djax detractors

  • Nick C

    Watching the NFL of late and seeing the push offs and pick plays these wideouts get away with… it really is whoever can get away with the most OPI every game. It’s becoming almost unwatchable…

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      Depends on the refs… there is no consistency with PI and OPI

    • Tumtum

      Not just that. The DPI is getting crazy too. First or second GB possession of the game, and AR overthrows Nelson. He sees that he can’t get there, holds up, Jenkins runs into him, DPI on 3rd down…just like that.

      • Sean Stott

        Makes games unwatchable imo

  • Dragon_Eagle

    I must have missed something, what’s this boatgate referred to in the comments below?

    • scratcherk

      Lot to cover, just Google “giants boat”

      • Dragon_Eagle

        lol

  • SteveH

    I came here to just say one thing: Go home Giants, 1 and done and Dallas you’re next!!!

    • Tumtum

      I said all year that I thought Dallas and the Giants were frauds. At least one of those things proved true! Really starting to wonder about the other..

  • aron

    she doesnt like the tough guys, she says that theyve got brains all where they sit, they think they’re full of fire, she thinks they’re full of s–t, she doesnt like the rough guys

  • Media Mike

    Not to open a can of worms from lower down the thread, but I don’t mind the ads on here chopping up the comments. I like using this commenting platform because I don’t need to have a f-ing Facebook account to do so.

  • Media Mike

    Ha ha ha ha; that root beer headed POS Beckham just rammed his head into the wall in Green Bay and then must have used some brass knuckles to punch a hole in the wall.

    • iceberg584

      And in his press conference, he blamed basically everybody but himself. The media for making the boat thing a distraction, the defense for giving up 38 points. I’m going to enjoy watching his career self-destruct and take that team with him.

      • Sean Stott

        He dropped a few balls too

    • Sean Stott

      Too bad he missed the stud and just hit sheetrock

  • BobSmith77

    Another lousy round of Wildcard games. Hope that the Divisional Round of playoffs is notably better.

    My ideal scenario is that Prescott throws a really early pick 6 and Jones goes completely insane with Romo being inserted in the game. Romo struggles, get injured, and Prescott comes back in to be ineffective as the Boys lose yet another home playoff game by 10. Aikman complains the entire time about Jones and what he is doing.

    • A_T_G

      Throw in a sideline tiff between Eliot and Dez over who should be getting more balls at the other’s expense and I’m in.

      • BobSmith77

        That would be a nice capper by Dez proceeding to go nuts, shove Garrett down and create an offseason of chaos in Dallas.

    • Donald Kalinowski

      My ideal scenario would be that Prescott plays well but loses. Romo gets traded to the Texans in the offseason, Prescott gets exposed the following season while Romo wins a Super Bowl

      • Howie Littlefinger

        U mean while Romo loses a Superbowl to the Eagles

  • A_T_G

    Wow, that playoff run for the Giants was more like a three hour tour.

    • A Roy

      The weather started getting rough. The tiny ship was tossed.

    • laeagle

      Strangely, the wide receivers all brought a full wardrobe.

  • BobSmith77

    So much for vaunted ‘Playoff Eli.’ 8-4 in his career in the playoffs but all those wins came during the ’07 and ’11 Super Bowl runs.

    He hasn’t won squat in basically 5 years and one of the reasons I bet against the Giants today. Thanks Eli including 1-2 appearances of the infamous ‘Eli’ face.

    • anon

      hard to diss a dude with 2 rings

      • BobSmith77

        I’ll diss him. Eli is the spectacularly average QB who just caught lightning twice in a bottle on a team that won those years because of their defense.

        • anon

          i’d take that in an eagles qb

    • Tumtum

      Green Bay is a buzz saw man. They are our hope to beat Dallas. They have their flaws, but they are rolling so hard.

  • BobSmith77

    Pats opened at -16?! vs Texans and has already moved to -17 at one sports book.

    Can’t remember an NFL playoff line that big. Ridiculous.

    • Sean Stott

      Feel like it’s still not enough

      • BobSmith77

        Basically like an outtake from Bloodsport where Chong Li (Belichick) beats the crap out of some generic novice in 2-3 moves & just smirks afterwards.

        • laeagle

          I want to know what team is the monkey guy who gets one-punched by JCVD.

    • iceberg584

      The 1994 49ers were 18.5 point favorites over San Diego in the Super Bowl.

    • Tumtum

      Would you bet against it? 🙂

    • CrackSammich

      Always take the dog on lines that big. Always. Sports are weird, and that’s a huge cushion.

  • anon

    4 years later and dolphins still haven’t dropped dion jordan

    • Insomniac

      He’s still in the league? Luckily we dodged that bullet.

      • Sean Stott

        You know that if he was there at 4 we would have had him over LJ