A Tale of 2 Jeffs

Posted: February 11th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 115 Comments »

Jeffrey Lurie wants the Eagles to get back to being a title contender. He knew that meant getting a QB so he backed Howie Roseman’s aggressive moves last year to land the Eagles Carson Wentz. Now Lurie wants to give his young QB some weapons.

Could Jeffrey Lurie back the move to sign Alshon Jeffery? They disagree on Jeffrey vs Jeffery, but if they can agree on a contract, that would offer a significant boost to the Eagles passing game.

NFL insider Jason La Canfora says the Eagles are interested.

But (DeSean) Jackson isn’t the only option. Several league sources anticipate the Eagles being in on Alshon Jeffery (Bears) and Philadelphia was aggressive in exploring trade options in-season on other receivers as well, like Torrey Smith (San Francisco), and they need to add more than one pass catcher this offseason.

La Canfora is friendly with Roseman so anything he writes in regard to the Eagles has to be taken at least somewhat seriously. Obviously Roseman isn’t going to fully give the Eagles offseason plans away to someone in the media, but he might at least offer some hints.

Jeffery does make sense. He is big at 6-3, 230. Some NFL sites list him at 6-4, but he measured 6027 prior to the draft. That is 6-2 and 7/8. I doubt he’s grown an inch since hitting the league. He has 33-inch arms. That and his frame give him a big catch radius. And Jeffery isn’t just big on paper, he plays to his size. There is nothing more frustrating than a big guy who plays like he’s 5-11, right DGB?

Jeffery will turn 27 on Tuesday so he is still very much in his prime. He is a very good player. I don’t think you can call him great. Guys like Julio Jones and Antonio Brown are at another level. Still, Jeffery is good enough to build a passing game around.

2012 – 89-1421-7
2013 – 85-1133-10

Those are big time numbers. Watch him play and you can’t help but be impressed.

Doug Pederson has talked about his preference for big WRs. If the Eagles did sign Jeffery, they would have a big group. DGB is huge. Jordan Matthews has good size. Nelson Agholor would be the runt of the group and he’s 6-0, 198.

The downside to Jeffery comes down to 2 things. He was suspended 4 games this past season for a PED violation. As the Eagles saw with Lane Johnson, the next suspension can be a situation where the player doesn’t think he’s doing the wrong thing, but it can devastate the team. Jeffery seems to be a solid veteran player so I wouldn’t anticipate him doing anything to risk that situation.

The other issue is cost. The Eagles don’t have a ton of cap space. Signing Jeffery will eat a lot of that. I know the team can be creative if they want, but the Eagles don’t sign players to crazy deals that create huge issues down the road. The Eagles might feel WR is such a need and that Jeffery is such a quality target that it is worth it to go get him.

La Canfora does mention in the piece that a lot of NFL people think the return of DeSean Jackson is a near lock. Obviously the team isn’t likely to get both. Jackson would cost much less, but he’s not as good a player at this point. He’s also older. Recently Jackson has been talking a lot about his desire to stay with the Skins.

We’ll have to wait and see what happens.


La Canfora has another piece on free agency and talks a lot about the Chiefs.

They have a pair of big time free agents in NT Dontari Poe and FS Eric Berry. The Chiefs want both back, but they don’t have much cap space. They will be cutting RB Jamaal Charles to help the situation.

I wonder if they will consider cutting Jeremy Maclin.

If he hit the market, the Eagles could have some interest in him. He will turn 29 this spring, but is a high character, quality veteran receiver. He’s being way overpaid right now and is coming off a down year.

Jeffery is in a class by himself. If the Eagles can’t land him, they will need options.


Cold blooded.


115 Comments on “A Tale of 2 Jeffs”

  1. 1 Anders said at 3:34 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I take maclin over Jeffery consider the price

  2. 2 Media Mike said at 7:10 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    And if the price was the exact same for both I’d still take Jackson over Maclin.

  3. 3 Anders said at 12:04 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    I’m still mad at Kelly for breaking up the most dynamic collection of playmakers I have seen on the eagles

  4. 4 greenblood0118 said at 12:47 PM on February 14th, 2017:

    You guys have such short memories. Jackson was a bad effort, whiny player who consistently disappeared in big games and half-assed it many times and didn’t fight through contact…no thanks.

  5. 5 Greg Richards said at 3:35 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    Cutting Maclin saves KC $5.2M in cap room but generates $7.2M in dead money. Looking at thier roster, the two guys most likely to be cut to save money are Nick Foles and Jamaal Charles.

  6. 6 Sb2bowl said at 11:04 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Foles is gone or restructured. Charles is gone. Poe will be a challenge. Maclin may be let go next year, but he’s probably safe this year for the reasons you stated.

  7. 7 A Tale of 2 Jeffs - said at 3:38 PM on February 11th, 2017:

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  8. 8 Fufina said at 4:08 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    Jeffery is the easiest ‘fix’ to our WR core. He is probably the only no.1 WR in free agency, and as set of 3 primary receiving options of Jeffery/Matthews/Ertz is a pretty damn good. You can then draft and hit on one of a couple of mid/late WR’s, see if either of DGB/Agholor can get their acts together, with a WR spot that is ‘free’ for you to try and develop a better option over the next 2-3 years.

    But Jeffery is going to be hugely overpaid. He is going to cost $16m a year or maybe more, and is probably going to give you $10m a year of production at best. Realistically he is going to probably get 3 years worth of effective guarantees, meaning you are pretty sure you are going to pay him nearly $50mil for 3 years and then cut him even if he is a good player.

    Fortunately the Eagles have a cheap QB situation – especially once they move on from Chase next year and can get a younger/cheaper back up, so you can overspend somewhere else and still have the chance to be competitive.

    Personally i wouldn’t do it, i would spend that $$ at CB instead, draft 2 CB’s in the 1st 3 rounds and try and make the defence elite, and hope your young QB, with some mid round projects and one of DGB/Agholor can do enough to score 20 points and leave the rest to the defence. If things turn out a mess again at WR, then you can spend $$ fixing the problem in a much better FA class in 2018 and spend more high draft resources on the position.

  9. 9 Dan said at 4:02 PM on February 13th, 2017:

    There is no way he is going to get 16m a year. The highest paid WR right now is AJ Green at 15 per. He isn’t the same type of WR as Green, Brown, Jones. You are probably looking at something between 12m and 14m, which is still probably too much for him considering our cap space and needs.

  10. 10 Gary Barnes said at 4:41 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    Again, WR is not a primary position and should not be the highest priority for the Eagles.

    I hope to goodness Lurie, Roseman and all the rest understand this. Signing Jeffrey to a massive FA contract would not only be stupid, but it would blow our cap and not allow us to fix the positions that actually matter most – CB, OL, DE.

    There is a mythology in this town about WR that I think is linked back to TO. Many credit him alone for making that 2004 season possible, but forget that Westbrook was healthy & dominant, the OL was healthy and very good, McNabb was playing very well, Kearse was a big DE addition, the defense overall was very strong and our ST played lights out. They also forget we won 2 playoff games WITHOUT TO on the field.

    Teams do not need to have a dominant WR to win consistently or challenge for the trophy.

    QB, CB, OL, DE are all more important This is again why the Eagles must have a strategic plan and stick to it. If they continue to make bad mistakes, I hope Lurie will be able to see that and hold them accountable. Lurie picked these guys and obviously needs to give them time to show what they can do, but if it fails again, he may need to hire a proven experienced President to run football operations and have them take the reins in hiring a GM, HC and the rest.

  11. 11 John Galt said at 4:55 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    Your post is well thought out, and you make some good points. I agree on the positions you list being more important. However, I would argue that to be successful on offense in today’s game, you have to at least be competent at WR and the Eagles are absolutely not. Also, having a guy that demands coverage makes the game so much easier. I think that has changed since 2004. I think there is a legitimate case to be made for and against Jeffery (I happen to like him), but they have to address WR and rookies are hit and miss. I don’t want to blow the cap either, but this is the position the team finds itself in, so hopefully Howie can work some magic in that regard.

  12. 12 Gary Barnes said at 5:14 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    Thanks. I agree WR needs to be upgraded and competent. I just think there are other options besides Jeffrey that are not going to blow our cap and can be good enough to improve the position and help Wentz develop. We do not have unlimited resources and there are other positions that impact wins more directly that need improvement.

  13. 13 Insomniac said at 4:59 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I’m pretty sure a position that catches the ball in a pass happy league is considered a primary position.

  14. 14 Gary Barnes said at 5:20 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    smart aleck 😉

    The point is if we cannot cover anyone, do not have an effective pass rush, cannot protect our young QB and cannot open up holes to help a run game, it will not matter how good Jeffrey or any of our WR are….they’ll never see the ball.

  15. 15 Insomniac said at 5:55 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    CB and WR are both priority needs. You can get by with this DL and groom some guys behind it.

    The run game and OL weren’t Cowgirls level but it was able to get the job done most of the time. Could they use upgrades? Sure but they’re not as high of a priority as getting Wentz some WRs before he hates himself and everyone around him.

  16. 16 Gary Barnes said at 6:51 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    Disagree. The OL is the engine of the offense in combination with the driver (QB). Cowboys focused primarily on making a dominant OL which made their QB, his weapons and the defense 10x better. If we want to be an elite team and Wentz to become a true franchise QB, the OL needs to be given a very high priority i.e. major resources. It does not need to be ok or good. It needs to be great.

    A potent pass rush is very important to an effective defense as is pass coverage, in CB, LB and S. We are poor in both areas right now and our defense gets exposed. That hurts our team, that hurts the offense, that hurts Wentz’s development etc. Again, those components need to be great to win consistently, not merely passable.

    A specific and effective plan must be created. Priorities must be set. Budget and cap space must be allocated accordingly. We do not have unlimited resources. Choices must be made that give us the best chance to succeed. Wasting money on big name FA WR is in the totally wrong direction. They very rarely turn out to be worth the cost and is too much of a priority and allocation for that position.

  17. 17 Insomniac said at 7:51 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    And where did that get them? Despite having 3 All Pros on their OL they can’t even make a deep playoff run. The Patriots, Packers, Steelers and Falcons didn’t have a great OL like the Cowgirls yet managed to make it much further than they did. OL is important but at some point there are diminished returns. The only time where the OL looked so vulnerable was when Vaitai had to start. Not many plays worked on his side even when he wasn’t getting beat like a drum.

    No one is arguing about that? You keep arguing that a poor defense hurts the offense but it works both ways. Three and outs killed our defenses during the Chip Kelly era. Not scoring hurts the defense. Not being able to catch a TD that hits you right in the hand hurts the defense.

  18. 18 Gary Barnes said at 8:57 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    They started a rookie QB and RB along with their usual mediocre at best defense. They went 13-3 and missed making it to the NFCCG by a whisker.

    Their OL was the anchor for the whole team and the main reason they went anywhere.

    Dak and Elliott will continue to develop behind that elite OL and, if they finally address their defense effectively (god forbid), they will make deep runs for many years.

    I’m not saying Dez does not help them at all; what I’m saying is that the elite OL helps them more. Dez was there when their OL was just ok and the team went truly nowhere.

  19. 19 laeagle said at 1:13 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Give Dallas their great O line. Then swap their receivers with our receivers. It wouldn’t be the same. Give our decent O-lien their receivers, and we’d have been in the playoffs easy.

    All these things are interrelated, but you can’t downplay the importance of the receiver position these days. Dez Bryant was still making waves when the Dallas O line was shitty.

  20. 20 ChoTime said at 1:14 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    The Cowboys are a bad example. They essentially over-invested _and_ got lucky. It’s worked out well for them, but it’s not something you should copy.

    Reminds me in the NBA when teams were trying to use big SF like LeBron. No, that doesn’t work. What works is _top talent_. That talent just happened to come in the shape of a big SF.

  21. 21 laeagle said at 1:12 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    It may sound smart alecky but honestly, the league has changed. It is so much more dictated by the pass than ever before. Look at how people treat WRs now in fantasy football, for example. Yes, it’s not really football. But it’s driven by production. The top quality receivers are generating more yards and TDs for their teams than the top RBs. Look at the predominance of 3WR sets. Look at the massive surge in 4000+ yard seasons. It’s an extremely important position. Yes, it’s dependent on QB play, and thus OL play. But without quality receivers, your offense is going to stall against the better defenses come playoff time.

  22. 22 Dan said at 4:04 PM on February 13th, 2017:

    If our WR can’t catch a football, it doesn’t matter how good our OL is, how good our CB are, how great our pass rush is. We will have perpetual 3 and out and bad positioning to put pressure on our defense. See this can go both ways.

  23. 23 Media Mike said at 6:33 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I see where you’re going with WR vs. some other positions, but the Eagles need top tier play makers at multiple positions. I’ll take the impact wherever they can get it.

  24. 24 Gary Barnes said at 7:02 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    The reality is we cannot afford due to the cap structure top tier play makers at every position or “wherever they can get it”.

    Priorities have to be made that allocate more cap space and resources to certain primary positions over other less important ones.

    That is the crux of the issue – What is the Eagles plan to win? What are their priority positions? What do they believe is needed for a roster to be elite? How are they going to allocate their limited cap dollars to build the very best roster possible?

    Under Reid/Banner, their strategic plan and priorities were very clear: DE, OT, QB and CB were the primary positions and it worked quite well for many years. Eagles need to get back to this type of strategic planning and long term vision – it does not need to be the same – they can structure it however they think will deliver the best results.

    I just think a dominant pass rush (DE), good pass coverage (CB), excellent QB protection and run support (OL) and elite offensive driving (QB) remains true today as the best formula to build a roster who can consistently win and challenge for the trophy we all desperately want.

  25. 25 Buge Halls said at 7:36 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    You have to look at what’s available in FA to decide what you target. Good OL rarely hit FA. The draft is apparently thick with CBs and DL. So they address WR in FA and the rest in the draft.

  26. 26 Media Mike said at 7:07 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    What is the Eagles plan to win?
    – draft well so you have stars playing well on rookie deals
    – save top dollar FA contracts for re-signing your own guys who deserve it while letting other teams overpay for the guys you decide aren’t worth what the market says.
    – replace your losses with more draft picks who become low cost starts
    – fill in gaps with FA signings

  27. 27 Buge Halls said at 7:32 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I would argue one of the reasons that B-West was so “dominant” was TO stretching the field and opening up the underneath routes.

  28. 28 Gary Barnes said at 8:51 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    BWest was good before TO arrived and as good or better after he left.

    TO was a very good WR, but he joined a very good team that made him better too. 2004 was great not because we signed TO alone.

  29. 29 Buge Halls said at 12:43 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    And I never said it was. But adding TO opened up the field for him to excel and that can’t be argued. Yes, he was good before and after, but he was great while TO was there.

  30. 30 kajomo said at 8:37 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    If you want to look at just how WRs correlate to winning football games then you are correct. It is not a premium position. However that is not why we need WRs so badly. We need consistency from the WR position for the developement of Wentz. Wentz plays the single most premium position in all of sports. He developement is vital to the long term success of the organization. If that means prioritizing WRs over a more premium position so be it. It’s all about Wentz. The eagles invested to go and get him and now they are going to do everything in their power to make that investment pay off.

  31. 31 Gary Barnes said at 8:48 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I’d argue an elite OL that protects Wentz, gives him time to run the offense and opens holes for a good run attack helps Wentz develop 10x more than an elite WR.

    Using the Cowboys example, who do you think helped Dak more this season to develop – Dez or the OL who protected him, open consistent holes for Elliott and gave Dak ample time to find open targets in the pass game?

    To me, it is clear as day.

  32. 32 kajomo said at 9:01 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I never said we need an elite WR. I said we needed consistency. I’m all for adding 2 guys likes Stills and Woods. We’d still have money to address OL.

    My ideal offseason would be:

    Ronald Leary
    Kenny Stills/Torrey Smith
    Robert Woods

    Go heavy on defense in the draft.

    I don’t want to have to hope players develop on offense while trying to develop Wentz.

  33. 33 Gary Barnes said at 9:06 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I’m fine with two experienced and reliable WR to help stabilize that position. We likely do not have enough cap space to do more than that anyway if we plan to address the other holes in a serious way.

  34. 34 BlindChow said at 1:08 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Exactly. With an elite OL, Wentz could easily have as long as 5 seconds before watching a receiver drop the football.

  35. 35 P_P_K said at 1:44 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Hall of Fame post.

  36. 36 Media Mike said at 7:27 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    “Using the Cowboys example, who do you think helped Dak more this season to develop”

    Refs not calling Dalls for holding and reporters treating a glorified game manager like Jr. Joe Montana are mostly who helped Dak.

  37. 37 ChoTime said at 1:09 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Also, there is a difference between thinking a top WR is going to be the savior and shoring up an awful hole.

    Disaster at one position, _any_ position, can doom your team.

    If it is true that WR really is as terrible a liability as it appears, defenses may be getting too much of a break and putting too much pressure on the other parts of the offense for it to be successful.

  38. 38 P_P_K said at 1:43 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    “Pinkston and Thrash were better than what we currently have.”
    Realizing this is true is a huge bummer.

  39. 39 daveH said at 1:26 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    But that 1 highlight reel blows away Agholor career … obvious i know but its racking my brain.. just had to state the obvious

  40. 40 Mr. Magee said at 2:51 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    You’re positional priorities mostly align with the Patriot’s strengths (except for maybe CB), fwiw

  41. 41 Media Mike said at 7:26 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    But didn’t clown Reuben Frank tell me that Eric Rowe was going to the HOF?

  42. 42 Howie Littlefinger said at 6:57 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Its not a primary position until your WR catch like Olineman

  43. 43 BobSmith77 said at 8:19 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    If the Eagles sign Jeffrey and give him a max contract, it will be to me proof that Lurie is taking a very active role in decision-making & player personnel moves which I am very much against.

  44. 44 Media Mike said at 5:59 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I’m still not inclined to pay Alshon, or any other non-transcendent FA, top dollar as a free agent.

    I’d really just rather focus on mid-priced good fit signings to round out how we build the team through the draft while saving the top dollar for our own guys who deserve it.

  45. 45 meteorologist said at 6:23 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    Didn’t he have work ethic / weight issues in college?

  46. 46 Media Mike said at 6:31 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    I was a huge fan of his from South Carolina and flipped out when the Bears took him one spot in front of us in 2012…..but I think he fell to the 2nd because of a bad senior year to the reasons you stated.

  47. 47 D3FB said at 8:03 AM on February 12th, 2017:



  48. 48 Sb2bowl said at 11:07 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Which one is he?

  49. 49 D3FB said at 2:12 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Jeffery- Devin Taylor (Lions DE) – Marcus Lattimore – Melvin Ingram (Chargers OLB)

  50. 50 Sb2bowl said at 3:36 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    That’s insane.
    He’s got twinky level obesity potential once he gets paid. I really hope we go a different direction

  51. 51 Insomniac said at 5:06 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    If he didn’t get fat in Chicago then he might not get fat here too.

  52. 52 Sb2bowl said at 8:32 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Ever date a skinny girl who got fat after marriage? That’s my concern

  53. 53 Insomniac said at 4:10 PM on February 13th, 2017:

    Nope. It’s not like he’s broke now so I don’t think he’ll start slacking off after working for a big contract for a few years. But who knows?

  54. 54 Sb2bowl said at 4:29 PM on February 13th, 2017:

    True, but he’s not $30m guaranteed rich either; but like you said- who knows? He could turn into a beast, or he could flounder and fade away. I tend to think that he’s going to be a bust, but my opinion doesn’t really matter overall.

  55. 55 bushisamoron said at 7:27 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    We have a new personnel team Howie hired. Their job is to find relatively inexpensive talented guys in FA and let coaches coach them up. Anyone can overpay the top guy at any position.

  56. 56 FairOaks said at 9:15 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    La Canfora’s second article mentions that Brandon Marshall may well be cut loose. Although, the Jets may take their time doing so, so he may not be available when free agency starts.

    That could be an interesting situation… do you avoid the big-money signings right at the start of free agency (i.e. Jeffery), and hope that good receivers become cap casualties later and signable at more reasonable numbers since there will be fewer suitors?

  57. 57 Sean Stott said at 10:43 PM on February 11th, 2017:

    Good question but waiting to cut Marshall is a dick move unless it has something to do with cap hits.

  58. 58 FairOaks said at 9:04 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Yeah… Though they could explore a trade or wait to see how they do in the draft, if there is no roster bonus forcing a move before then.

  59. 59 Mitchell said at 12:54 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    What is the consensus on Rasul Douglass? For a guy so big he sure did get pushed around by DeDe Westbrook quite a bit. Seems soft in the run game and Ed Reynolds will show you what leading the nation in INT’s gets you coming out of college….

  60. 60 Media Mike said at 7:09 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Looks like Tarzan / plays like Jane is your conclusion?

    A lot of the draft guys on Twitter seem to be split on him.

  61. 61 Insomniac said at 3:13 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Not much tape out there on him so I can’t call him soft after one breakdown. I get what you mean, Westbrook does play above his size and he’s not as weak as someone like Djax. There are things to like and not like about Douglas. He doesn’t get off of blocks very well but he’s not afraid to tackle. Seems like he doesn’t want to do the dirty work so I get the soft angle.

    He has plus size and has made plays for his team. Although I would say some of his ints were easy gimmes but some of them were also legit play making. He had some strip fumbles in his career so there’s that too. I’m still on the neutral zone on him, the combine is important for him since I don’t think he has fluid hips or good long speed despite almost running down Westbrook on that screen from 10 yards away.

  62. 62 Mitchell said at 4:57 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Wouldny spend more than a 3rd right now ans that’s still iffy. 4Th and Im good.

  63. 63 Insomniac said at 5:01 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    That’s where he’s expected to go. He has some appeal but he’s more of a guy that you want to groom instead of plug and play.

  64. 64 Mitchell said at 7:48 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Sounds good brother, sign me up then. I was under the impression he was projected in the 2nd or something.

  65. 65 Insomniac said at 4:09 PM on February 13th, 2017:

    I doubt it but some teams might like him enough to draft him there. This draft is so top heavy with CBs that he couldn’t be in the top 7.

  66. 66 Insomniac said at 3:29 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    You should check out Fabian Moreu, he has one breakdown out right now. Wish there was more since he looks pretty good.

  67. 67 LeatherWallet said at 1:30 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Wouldn’t mind bring back Maclin. Solid player he and shouldn’t be too expensive. I think his down year was due to injury (although idk what exactly it was).

  68. 68 Media Mike said at 7:10 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Dollar for dollar I’d prefer Jackson if the price / contract was the same.

  69. 69 LeatherWallet said at 11:45 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    I think the one, maybe only thing Jackson has over Maclin is the ability to be a good deep threat so I think I’d be fine with either one tbh.

    Someone on here mentioned that Marcus Cooper, the Cardinals CB is a free agent. Is he any good? The stats looked good. And I know the Cardinals have a lot of cap room so we might not be able to get him.

  70. 70 ColorSgt said at 8:08 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    I think Ryan Matthews wrote that jeopardy “answer.” My response is when you have the lead at the end of the game don’t fumble because you are too lazy to put the ball in your outside arm. Booing = Justified. I’ll take “Booing: Justified or Not” for $1000….

  71. 71 Media Mike said at 8:16 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Jason Werth – not
    JD Drew – justified
    Kobe – JUSTIFIED
    Norman Braman – DOUBLE JUSTIFIED

  72. 72 ColorSgt said at 11:15 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Roger Goodell at the draft = Justified x infinity.

  73. 73 Tumtum said at 11:35 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    everyone boos him everywhere he goes though. Don’t feel too special on that one!

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 11:39 AM on February 12th, 2017:


  75. 75 Media Mike said at 11:39 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Dallas sucks will need to busted out twice; the 2nd time when Dallas picks and the first time when Garrett is selected at 1 by the Browns.

    Also; “F the Giants” needs to be heard loud and clear.

    “Your teams racist” at Washington would be good even if you don’t agree with ripping their mascot.

    This is an ALL PHILLY ONLY event. Rivals not welcome.

  76. 76 Media Mike said at 8:18 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Just ran through another mock. I’m still in search of what CB I can get in round 1 that will be a shutdown player beyond criticism.

    Round 1 Pick 19 (T.B.): Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan (A)
    Round 2 Pick 18 (T.B.): Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple (A)
    Round 3 Pick 12 (N.O.): Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 11 (N.O.): Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida (A)
    Round 4 Pick 33: Tanzel Smart, DT, Tulane (A)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Jordan Sterns, FS, Oklahoma State (B)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Ezra Robinson, CB, Tennessee State (B+)

  77. 77 Sb2bowl said at 10:57 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    If we can trade down 5 spots and pick up a 2, I’m all for this. I really don’t think there is a sure fire CB without question marks in this draft. Jones has playmaker, but he’s skinny. Real skinny. The more I read up on Ezra, he’s questionable because of his tackling.

    Elder is climbing up my board, so is White just from a competitive standpoint. Gonna give up some plays to the WR’s in the East, just have to fight through it and keep playing.

  78. 78 Media Mike said at 11:40 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    the extra two for trading down really the value of the 5 spots (it is worth pick 78), but I can’t say no. So if you take Reddick off and put in a different guy in round 3, we can figure it out.

    And good to know we’ve got our eyes on other CBs.

  79. 79 Sb2bowl said at 11:49 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    I’m not sure where Reddick would fit for us, but we need LB depth. Schwartz played Hicks at WLB the last game, and I think he’s a better fit there (kinda like Lee in Dallas) so we will need a thumper at MLB in our scheme.

  80. 80 Media Mike said at 9:28 AM on February 12th, 2017:




    I need y’all’s help.

    Where is the shutdown corner in this draft? I’m comfortable with who should be available later in the draft from a talent perspective at other spots, but I need the CB is going to shut Odell Bitchum, Felonious Dez Bryant, and the respective POS fanbases in NY and *Dallas the hell up for good.

    Who will be our “Island” guy?

  81. 81 Sb2bowl said at 10:52 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Maybe White from LSU. Hard to find lockdown CB’s and even harder to afford them after their rookie contracts. I think Mills has one spot on hold, but we need another outside CB and probably slot CB. Plus depth.


  82. 82 Media Mike said at 11:41 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Nice mix of guys, but I’m a tad leery of Douglas due to some of the stuff Mitchell had up down thread.

  83. 83 Sb2bowl said at 11:44 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Agreed. Outside of the CB position, I really liked how this turned out.

  84. 84 Insomniac said at 2:48 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    He didn’t really get pushed around, I only counted him getting beat twice by Westbrook in that game. Westbrook is strong for his size but Douglas does have an issue with getting off of blocks. He’s not afraid to tackle but I wouldn’t say he’s in love with hitting people.

  85. 85 Media Mike said at 2:50 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Good to know, thank you.

  86. 86 kajomo said at 12:52 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    I think the 2 with a real shot are Marshon Lattimore and Sidney Jones. I think Lattimore may be a better pure coverage guy, but Jones is such a playmaker. I think Jones pretty close to perfect for Schwartz’s defense.

  87. 87 Forthebirds said at 9:55 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Whether or not the Eagles try to sign Jeffery will depend on who they decide to release. Barwin is a foregone conclusion. They probably would not resign Logan and Peters would have to agree to restructure his contract. My point is, and I apologize if it’s too obvious, signing a player like Jeffery depends on an overall strategy. Then again, Howie likes to make a big splash in free agency. Stills is the value pick if he is available.

  88. 88 Tumtum said at 10:43 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Had to turn off the Alshon highlights after he made 15 RAC on a slant. I won’t be lured in by this temptress. He has a very long history of soft tissue and muscle injuries and can’t be trusted.

    Am I being too hard on the guy…Mike??

  89. 89 Ryan Rambo said at 10:45 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    I’m not Mike, but NO you’re not. At his best, he’d be a wonderful addition, but when you consider how long he’d be on the field before another frustratingly long injury and the likelihood of that is about 99% IMO, then no.

  90. 90 Dave said at 11:07 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    According to the sports injury predictor website, outside of Sammy Watkins, Alshon is tied with Dez with having the 2nd highest risk of injury for NFL wide receivers at 83%. For comparison, DeSean is only at 40% while Kenny Stills is at 32%.



  91. 91 Media Mike said at 11:37 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Listen, you can’t pay top dollar for less than top production and top availability.

  92. 92 Ark87 said at 1:40 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Yeah, getting serious Byron Maxwell vibes off of this one. Maybe he’s really good or was really good but not great before. But after you pay him a ton of money? I don’t like the practice of overpaying, and I don’t trust a player after they get paid top dollar.

  93. 93 Ryan Rambo said at 11:29 AM on February 12th, 2017:


  94. 94 Media Mike said at 2:04 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Love #4 – trade trade trade.

  95. 95 Sb2bowl said at 11:42 AM on February 12th, 2017:

    Went CB early, then backfilled with talent/needs. Probably what we will need to do to massively upgrade our talent (which is needed).

  96. 96 Media Mike said at 2:11 PM on February 12th, 2017:


  97. 97 Fufina said at 3:38 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Would be a fantastic draft. Assuming we signed a good CB in free agency we suddently have 3 guys in White, Lattimore and Mills to fight for starting and nickle CB spots, and even have the quality to possibly play some dime coverage.

  98. 98 Sb2bowl said at 8:25 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Gonna be an interesting wait until draft weekend

  99. 99 soundbonz said at 1:43 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    If you talk to fans in Chicago, they think Jeffery is the most overrated Bears player. Although not involved in unseemly activity, he does have the rotten ‘me-first’ attitude and shuns all team activities except the ones he will be fined for not attending. He’s not a team guy. I’d pass on him in a heartbeat. Jackson is too, but we know the devil Jackson is and he isn’t all that bad.

    You won’t see Jeffery at any voluntary team workouts or minicamps. Of that you can be sure.

  100. 100 truehaynes said at 3:01 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    My ideal off season. Sign 2 starting corners. Draft 7 corners. Repeat every year until we atleast have one starting corner

  101. 101 Media Mike said at 4:21 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Here you go

    Round 1 Pick 15: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (B)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (B)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Fabian Moreau, CB/FS, UCLA (B)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Marquez White, CB, Florida State (B)
    Round 4 Pick 33: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B-)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota (C-)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Treston DeCoud, CB, Oregon State (D+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Ashton Lampkin, CB, Oklahoma State (C+)

  102. 102 Sb2bowl said at 8:23 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Why no trades to draft more CB’s?

  103. 103 Ryan Rambo said at 5:00 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Haha!! That would SUCK!!!

  104. 104 BobSmith77 said at 8:17 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    What is a defensive formation called with 7 DBs?

  105. 105 Ryan Rambo said at 5:46 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Eagles must choose wisely to fix their cornerback problems


  106. 106 Media Mike said at 5:54 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Just stay out of the Maxwell level deals for anybody except your own guys if they’re worth it; and keep trying to upgrade.

  107. 107 Ryan Rambo said at 6:02 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Do you think any of the above would command a Maxwell type deal? I like any of these 3 guys as part of our redo @ cb.

  108. 108 Sb2bowl said at 8:21 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Maxwell didn’t command that deal, but we overpaid to get him. If we don’t make that mistake again, we will be okay

  109. 109 Ryan Rambo said at 5:53 PM on February 12th, 2017:


  110. 110 Nick C said at 7:41 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    Catches better than our wideouts.

  111. 111 Ryan Rambo said at 8:05 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    We should sign him partly so he can shame those guys a few times a day in practice. Give him some snaps at WR lol!

  112. 112 Sb2bowl said at 8:35 PM on February 12th, 2017:

    He would have experience playing with Rodney… Could be a big benefit

  113. 113 Ryan Rambo said at 5:56 PM on February 12th, 2017:


  114. 114 Ryan Rambo said at 5:58 PM on February 12th, 2017:


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