An Interesting Question

Posted: February 14th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 246 Comments »

Albert Einstein was a pretty smart dude. He enjoyed “thought experiments”, where he would think about a problem, come up with a hypothetical solution and then try to imagine the consequences, good and bad, of what might happen.

Here is an interesting Eagles thought experiment. Think about the 2016 Eagles. Imagine you could swap out Julio Jones for Nelson Agholor. Or you could swap out Richard Sherman for Leodis McKelvin. Okay, now throw a glass of water in your face and come back to reality.

The question is which player would make the 2016 Eagles better. The team went 7-9 as is. With which player would they have a better record?

I’ll post my thoughts later. For now, I’d like to know your take on Big Al’s Eagles question.

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  • Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard

    Tom Brady

    • Insomniac

      Brady would broke all of our WRs necks himself.

      • RobNE

        He’s just a positive person!

    • A Roy

      The football player or the Madagascar Hissing Cockroach?

  • Mitchell

    Gotta go with Jones on this one. At least, AT LEAST, 2 more games won with a receiver who can catch and ball and with a healthy Julio? I’d give 4 more games. Sherman benefits from a good defense and it can be argued his is not the best CB in the NFL right now. I mean go watch this garbage again to remember just how bad these WR are… to make matters worse, this is the Eagles best one… http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/0ap3000000706151/Jordan-Matthews-drops-almost-TD-pass

    • SallyForth

      Julio Jones is currently the best WR in the NFL. Not much of a “debate” between choosing him or Sherman.

  • Jason A Hines

    I gotta go with Jones too. I think when the Eagles really struggled it was when the offense wasn’t right, in particular the passing game. There also weren’t that many games where the defense just got dominated.

  • John Galt

    Julio. Still would have had Nolan Carroll and jalen mills on the other side.

  • RobNE

    I’m team Julio.

  • daveH

    How can I make a career highlight reel of Ags .?

    • myartz04

      You just did.

  • Brian

    Also going with Julio here.

  • James O’Shea

    I’d go with Sherman. Although I think Jones was a better WR this year than Sherman was a CB (he was injured for long stretches of the year) so ideally we could swap Sherman out with someone else. I think the point of the thought experiment is adding a top tier WR or a top tier CB so I’ll just run with that.

    Jones would have been massive for us on offense for sure but the entire offense had problems. Even our best unit (the o-line) took a massive hit when Johnson got injured. Wentz was inconsistent and had lots of problems even if most of us are pretending like he is the next great GOAT QB. I don’t think Jones could have done enough to make up for all that. I’d say look at Hopkins in Houston for an example of an elite WR being wasted because he has no supporting cast.

    On the flip side, the defense was great at every position except for CB. One elite CB could have helped the other positional units so much too. Giving the d-line that extra half-second would have been monumental for our sack/pressure totals. Hicks and Bradham were great as LBs and we have a good safety pair. It still would have left a whole on the other side of the field but I think Carroll would be ok there and I’m sure Schwartz would give him the help he needed. It’s easier to help out your CBs when they both aren’t liabilities.

    I think an elite CB could have pushed the D into best in the league territory (and teams have won Super Bowls on the strength of their D twice in the last 4 years) whereas I don’t think an elite WR could have made up for the deficiencies on offense.

    • Harry

      I think you make some great points that I mostly agree with here. However, I think that the De’Andre Hopkins in Houston comparison is flawed. Carson Wentz is already significantly better than Brock Osweiler.

      Despite having a far worse surrounding offensive cast than Osweiler, Carson Wentz still performed better than his counterpart in every statistic used to measure a quarterback’s performance. You are correct that having an elite WR with poor quarterback play is not conducive to success but Carson Wentz showed he is miles better than Osweiler (who was benched for Tom Savage at points for this season).

      If Julio Jones were plugged into the Eagles offense this past year, it’s very possible Carson Wentz could showed the success he showed for the first three games, over the course of the entire season. Wentz consistently made Aaron Rodgers like plays in the pocket but had no where to throw the ball once he was free. A player like Julio takes advantage of those broken plays and makes the defense pay.

      Additionally, having Julio as the 1 makes Jordan Matthews a middle to high end no. 2 receiver. Matthews could stick to the slot, which he knows best. Not to mention, Matthews would greatly benefit from the double teams and rotated coverages focused on Jones. Instead of facing the opposing team’s best DB, he would be guarded by the no. 2 and 3 cover options allowing him greater ease to get open.

      Beyond Matthews, Julio opens up the field for (December) playmakers like Zach Ertz. Ryan Matthews, Darren Sproles, and Wendell Smallwood all benefit as well as defenses are forced to keep less players in the box to provide help on Julio.

      Those are just a few things a player like Julio could for the Eagles offense. Combine that offense with their top 10-15 defense last year and you have one very good Philadelphia Eagles team. It’s not hard to imagine a team like that competing with and beating the Cowboys.

      However, only 2 rookie QBs have ever come close to even sniffing the Super Bowl: Joe Flacco (2008) and Marky Mark Sanchez (2009) made the AFC Conf. championship. Both of those QB’s had arguably the best defenses in the NFL, which they relied on greatly. Mark’s QB rating that year? 63.0 – Flacco’s was better at 80.3 but also only had to throw the ball 428 times (Carson had 607 for comparison).

      Add an elite CB to the Eagles D and combine that with a QB better than Flacco and Mark and you just might have your first rookie QB to make it to the Superbowl.

      Ultimately, I think it’s a tossup but I’d rather watch Carson Wentz and Julio than an elite Eagles D.

      Great question Tommy.

  • Insomniac

    WR – Julio
    RB – Jordan Howard
    CB – Sherman

  • Tumtum

    I feel like Julio makes this 2016 team better and it ain’t even close.

  • id go with julio.

    sherman can only cover one guy at a time.

    julio can make more of an impact, esp be a key cog in development of carson wentz.

    • teams can stay away from sherman, we can attack teams with julio

    • Anders

      Sherman might only cover 1 guy, but that means you can double the other guys

    • bill

      A lot of times, a stud WR seems to delay development of young QBs, in that they constantly force the ball there. When the stud WR is no longer there, the QB seems to “mature” and “spread the ball around” better. So it can cut both ways.

      Not saying I wouldn’t love to have a great WR here, but I do think they tend to be overrated by the FF crowd. I’d like to have a group of very good #2s rather than a great #1.

  • holeplug

    Schwartz did an excellent job scheming against #1 receivers this year. #3 in DVOA against them. gave up avg of 79 yds a game.

  • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

    Jones, without question or hesitation.

  • A_T_G

    Because the merits of the other side are pretty well covered, I’ll assume you mean the ideal, fully healthy corner and go with Sherman.

    I think the arguments that Julio can’t be schemed around or that doing so opens up everyone else overlook the converse.

    How many players twisted our defensive scheme and opened up everyone else this year because we couldn’t match up? How many TDs were given up because the CBs weren’t good enough, so the safeties were trying to protect them while also covering the slot? How much better would the defense be if Sherman could shut down the #2, the LBs shut down the run, McLeod doubles the #1 and Jenkins actually plays safety? How many more sacks does this create?

    On offense, we don’t need a Julio, just regular guys with hands. On defense, though, a true shut down corner changes everything.

    • Anders

      I rather Sherman + a steady veteran WR than Jones+scrub at CB

    • Corry

      My only argument with this is that Jenkins not remaining at safety was forced by an injury. Something even the presence of Sherman wouldn’t fix. Now Sherman + healthy players then I may lean towards Sherman rather than Jones.

  • anon

    do we play zone in the back? do we have earl thomas? i’ll take julio

    • sami

      “do we have earl thomas?”

      We damned well should, that’s for sure.

  • Dan in Philly

    I’d love to say Jones, and that would be correct in terms of being the better player right now, but on the other hand, I think about all the very top WRs since Jerry Rice, and I can’t think of one who won the SB, so just on that I’d go with Sherman.

    • Anders

      Outside of Sherman has the top CB in general been the major force behind his team SB win?

      • A_T_G

        Eric Rowe?

        • daveH

          Pat Chung .. 2 rings

  • Rellihcs

    Antonio Brown

  • izzylangfan

    There were 7 games lost by seven points or less. With a stud wide receiver why couldn’t we win five of those games?

    It reminds me of something I read once on how they figure out if someone will be a good spy. They give him a project to accomplish in a group setting. But it’s rigged. The other people keep messing things up on purpose and you see how your subject reacts. So our wide receivers kept messing up and Wentz stayed positive and even got results and improved. That is special. Pair him with a top receiver and great things could happen.

  • greenblood0118

    First of all, Einstein was a plagiarizing schill who couldn’t calculate his way out of a paper bag, so I’d take Tesla all day over him, and also Jones over Sherman, as our horrible wide receivers seemed to affect the game in far bigger ways then our DBs…

    • Buge Halls

      The entire scientific community would argue your thoughts on Einstein’s abilities, but that’s okay.

      • Mac

        I used to think that Political Science was the study of systems of government.

        Now, I’m starting to believe the term may be of more use to describe the branch of Science which has become Political, where ideas are tried in the court of popularity (evidence be damned).

        • A_T_G

          This idea would represent a change in climate, so to speak?

          • Mac

            Aye

        • Buge Halls

          I…uh…okay…

      • bill

        You’ll find many electrical engineers who agree with him. Not saying I do, but I’ve run into them pretty regularly. Tesla was more of an artistic maverick. Einstein was more of a plodding, establishment, basic science researcher. He was small “c” conservative with respect to science.

        Entrepreneurially minded engineers seem to have created a cult following for Tesla, who honestly was a very brilliant, interesting man and engineer, but was anything but conservative in his pursuits.

    • Bert’s Bells

      Tesla didn’t do much math. He was mostly an engineer.

    • ChoTime

      Accompanying your opinion with Fake Facts reminiscent of current US politics doesn’t make it any stronger.

    • Stephen E.

      Tesla was an electrical engineer, not a physicist. Also a genius, but in the practical rather than the theoretical realm.

    • Donald Kalinowski

      I think you have Einstein confused with Edison

  • Dave

    Sherman’s game is predicated on the refs letting him mug receivers while not being called for pass interference. Plus we’re not sure if Schwartz would have some kind of aversion to anything regarding Sherman’s personality, which would cause the Eagles to trade him and start Jalen Mills.

    Julio’s game is predicated on a QB throwing the ball anywhere in his vicinity, regardless who is covering him.

    I’d take Julio in a heartbeat.

    • Sb2bowl

      Regarding personality- Sherman and Schwartz would probably hit it off well; both ooze with confidence and aren’t afraid to show emotion. Sherman, to me, seems like the type of guy that could adjust to most any coverage as long as he can get his hands on the guy early.

      But I still think he’s an asshole and I’d take Julio over him everyday of the week.

  • Forthebirds

    Swapping Ags for a bag of Cheetos would have made the team better. Seriously, if it’s possible to be serious about this, Jones.

  • William Miyazaki

    Why not Devonta Freeman instead Ryan Mathews? Considering Eagle’s pooring WR corp, a better and consistent RB could improve a lot the whole team. Julio would receive 3 man cover all time and Sherman simply doesn’t fit with Schwartz scheme.

  • Rellihcs

    I could make a good argument for Vic Beasley.

  • Corry

    Sherman could make a difference but we still have Nolan “Toast” Carroll on the other side. We’d also still have depth issues and probably still be forced to play Jenkins in the slot.

    Jones, on the other hand, would dictate coverage and probably up all sorts of things for the offense and give the underneath guys a lot of room to operate. Give me Jones.

  • scratcherk

    Lane Johnson, add a few more wins if he didnt get suspended

  • Dave

    Dalvin Cook doesn’t seem like a player Lurie would allow on the Eagles draft board.

    “Teams do have some off-the-field concerns about Cook and his character. He escaped some legal issues last year, but teams say that Cook has an entourage of gang bangers and they worry Cook drinks too much. Staying out of trouble is a concern that teams have.”

    https://walterfootball.com/draft2017RB.php

    • Sb2bowl

      Good point- as we saw earlier, straw can break the camels back. It just happened to be Josh Huff.

      Not that we need choir boys (Chippah, I’m looking at YOU!)- but change and a positive life trajectory seem to be a tipping point for the Eagles organization.

      We took small risks with a couple of guys last year (Smallwood, Mills) and those projections seem to have worked out. That’s why I’m not so sure that Mixon or Westbrook are off of the draft boards come April; of course they’ll need to do their research, but if everything checks out and the value is correct- go for it.

      • Insomniac

        Cook is the biggest risk of all of them to be honest. I’m all for giving second chances but second chances are also calculated risks.

        • Sb2bowl

          Agreed.

          To be honest, that’s kind of why I’m okay with Mixon at this point; not that what he did is okay, but the fact is that it happened over 2 years ago and the video just now surfaced. After the incident in 2014, it appears that he’s cleaned up his act and has made positive strides in life. That’s the type of risk that is worth evaluating, especially outside of the first few rounds.

    • Insomniac

      Cook has always had the red flags. I just find it hypocritical that people want Cook instead of Mixon just because there’s public video evidence on Mixon. Preferably, we don’t draft either of those guys since the team deserves better.

      Association to less pleasant people

      http://www.talgov.com/tpd/news/4526.aspx

      Animal abuse

      http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/florida-state-running-back-dalvin-cook-bb-gun-puppies-chained-no-shelter-punched-woman-071315

      Robbery and violence (although he wasn’t found guilty of punching the girl)

      http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-state-seminoles/os-fsu-dalvin-cook-accused-battery-20150710-story.html

      • Dave

        Honestly, if the team were to take a chance on a major red flag-type of player, I would prefer for it to not be an offensive skill-position player. I want Wentz to have every effort to achieve greatness without having to be a babysitter.

  • xmbk

    Rodgers, just ahead of Jones, a CB, or Khalil Mack. Still the most important position. Nothing against Wentz, but he will get better. Rodgers is already there.

  • bdbd20

    Definitely Julio.

    Not only with the explosive plays, but the impact on the running game. Teams would have to keep at least one safety deep.

    All of a sudden, we’re running well and controlling the clock. Defense is rested and the game is shortened. We did this so well against ATL and MIN.

  • Mac

    First, I’d like to acknowledge the greatness of this question because of it’s open ended nature. Football isn’t played in an ivory tower by philosophers where hypothetical conditions are perfect. All players have warts, and those warts affect the outcome of football games. Because of this, I have respect for all the answers that address the specific players in question: Jones and Sherman.

    However, we cannot actually have Jones or Sherman. So, the folks who chose to answer the question in the hypothetical context are making great arguments based on their football philosophies about whether an abstract elite WR or CB would make this team better.

    Conclusion: before I even attempt to post any answer to this question, I’d like to raise a glass (well a mug of coffee) to our host, T Law, for giving an excellent discussion starter. And tip my hat to the many excellent comments already here.

    • eagleyankfan

      The Almight says, “Don’t change the subject, just answer the fuckin’ question.”

      • Mac

        On the basis of the players themselves: I happen to think Julio Jones is the better player/greater difference maker.

        I think Jones is the more gifted athlete, better teammate, and posses the ability to force the other team to react to him more than Sherman does.

        From a team impact on the field aspect: The difference between the Falcons with healthy Julio vs. Falcons without healthy Julio seems to be night and day. Seahawks with gimpy Sherman vs healthy Sherman seemed fairly similar… but no one else in the NFL gets away with holding and interfering with WRs the way Sherman does. I have a hard time believing that Sherman’s elite ability to cheat the system works in Midnight Green.

        • Sb2bowl

          Well put, and I agree with you on all points.

          And be careful with tipping your coffee on your hat, that’s a euphemism for something greater.

      • Mac

        From a theoretical angle: I prefer the hypothetical shut down corner.

        Raw physical prowess I would argue is more important on defense than it is on offense. For this simple minded reason: the offensive players have the mental advantage on every play. They know where the ball is (probably) going and (approximately) when it’s going there. That tremendous advantage can only be nullified by the three main weapons of the defense: a great play call by the coach, quick reaction time by the player (from mental practice or quick twitch response), or some other physical edge the defensive player has (speed/strength). In the one on one world of DB vs WR, quick twitch muscle, speed, strength, and mental acuity all help a WR… but are even more important to the DB because he starts every play at a disadvantage.

        The greatness of any defense is defined by it’s ability to change the game. Turnovers are created by either outstanding defensive play or offensive blunder. The ability to intercept a pass (and potentially even turn that interception directly into 6 points without the offense taking the field) is one of the greatest plays any player can make in football. Any time you can steal an opportunity from your opponent in the red zone, give your offense great field position, or score points when you’re on defense… you have something amazing.

        From a strategy gaming point of view, the football field can be viewed as kind of a blank slate. “Anything” is theoretically possible within the boundary lines. The advantage of the Elite WR is to open up areas of the field that your team can’t normally access (like DeSean with deep speed or Plaxico Burress with vertical height). The ability of a shutdown corner to take a way part of the field, or eliminate an offensive player from the game entirely is awesome. You mean to tell me… that one player on my defense can nullify one of the other team’s 5 offensive weapons? I can’t possibly sign up for that fast enough as a defensive coordinator. The luxury of such a player is a big part of the reason why Rex Ryan has had success as a defensive mind: He had Ed Reed in Baltimore and Darrelle Revis in NY. That translates into some level of almost guaranteed success for your team in every football game. Forcing the offense to react to an element of your defense is part of what makes a defense elite. Forcing a defense to react to an elite part of your offense on the other hand… is what defense’s deal with every game (and why the elite QB is the most dangerous man on the field because he is the most difficult elite offensive player to deal with).

    • A_T_G

      This response scares me. Not the sentiment, with which I agree, but the visual imagery.

      First, football played in ivory towers would hold an astronomical risk of concussion injury for players and egress concerns for fans in case of an emergency.

      Second, the idea of raising a mug of hot coffee with one hand while simultaneously tipping ones hat with the other is begging for severe burns.

      Safety first, man.

      • Mac

        Your deep concern for the well being of others is as impressive as the sharpness of your wit.

      • ChoTime

        I disagree. Players would play more carefully in ivory towers–would dive less, not attempt so many rapid changes of direction, not fight for extra yards unnecessarily. The overall impact would be less injuries.

        • A_T_G

          Maybe we have a different impression of the description. I am imagining the players as mere guests in the ivory tower – there to entertain.

          Your characterization – no rapid changes, staying upright, not fighting for small improvements, basically maintaining status quo – sounds like they live there.

        • Ankerstjernen

          At this point, are we all just ignoring the terrible practice of black market ivory trade and the immoral killings of elephants for the tusks only, that this scenario entails?

          • ChoTime

            We’re just here to talk about sports, who cares about the ten thousand elephants we killed to make our corporate entertainment stadium!?

          • Ankerstjernen

            I would personally strangulate every single last elephant in this world with its own trunk if it guaranteed an eagles championship.

      • ACViking

        ATG:

        If I was a player in an ivory tower . . . screw the game.

        I’m taking the ivory and re-selling it.

        SAVE THE ELEPHANTS!!!

        • laeagle

          By selling the ivory, you would be continuing the market for ivory, and thus endangering those very elephants you purportedly wish to save.

          Better to buy the ivory to take it off the market, then destroy the tower completely, with acid or a nuclear blast.

          Now that I think about it, that might increase the scarcity of ivory even more, and thus drive up the number of elephant killings. What to do, what to do…

          • ACViking

            LAE:

            Interesting argument.

            I was thinking that I’d be flooding the market with ivory.

            And since building towers of ivory in the US is illegal, it’d help save some elephants.

          • A_T_G

            I think the point is moot. Before the towers are finished being constructed, elephants will have been poached into extinction in the effort. Only then will league officials realize they could have synthesized ivory all along.

            The realization will provide limitless homogeneous, flawless ivory which can be created in any shape. As big box stores begin offering ivory…everything, traditional ivory is viewed as quaint, problematic, and undesirable.

          • Sb2bowl

            Nothing illegal ever flourishes in the USA. I think you are on to something.

  • eagleyankfan

    JJ. He’s a beast. That’s for 2016. Now and future, not that I’d cry is JJ was here but I’d like the Eagles to find their own players and identity. I like players that are drafted and spend careers with their own teams. If HR/Pederson find that WR — all the fans will love you forever. Keep drafting Huff’s and Agg’s and we’ll forget your name by 2019.

  • Sb2bowl

    I think Jones is the overall better talent, and person. Sherman is a “me me me” type guy- Julio projects as the ultimate team player, willing to put himself on the line to help his team win.

    With what we do, and the weapons we have (Ertz, Sproles, Matthews) on offense, Julio makes a greater impact when compared to the scrap heap we have in our corner back depth.

  • ChoTime

    Great question, Tommy! I go back and forth, but I’m going to choose the corner mostly to go against the grain.

    We have a monster DL and good talent at LB and safety. We have one terrible Achilles’ heel on D, and that’s the corners. Plug the biggest hole with an elite talent, and we are in the top 5 Defense in the league, maybe higher.

    Change out Ags for JJ, and you just turned an awful WR corps into a decent one. Not good. The D will have to account for JJ, and that will give other guys opportunities–guys that have proved they can’t catch or do anything with their opportunities.

    Turning a good D into an elite D is better than turning a bad O into a less bad O.

    • Tumtum

      Doesn’t bother you that Sherm is going to pretty much line up on the left side of the defense every play and that’s it, and Julio is going to get moved everywhere and be asked to do many different jobs?

      • Will Ft. Daft Punk

        I’m taking Julio unless Earl Thomas and the SEA pass rush is coming with Sherman

        • ChoTime

          The pass rush and safety play is going to look a lot better with Sherman here.

          • Will Ft. Daft Punk

            I think Julio would change the Offense more than Sherman changes the Defense

          • ChoTime

            Fine, but what do you think about my point that taking one unit to elite is more important than one to average?

          • Tumtum

            I think that could work for some teams I think for this team improving the offense would of been more beneficial.

          • Will Ft. Daft Punk

            Normally I would be on the elite D side of the conversation but our offense was downright terrible at times. We invented the 6 minute and punt the ball drive.

            Defense was at least average most of the time.

  • A Roy

    Well, based on draft value, Jones was selected #5 and Atlanta gave up a 1, 2, 4 in 2011 and a 1 & 4 in 2012 to move up and get him. Sherman was a 5th round pick.

    Based on how he would’ve impacted the 2017 Eagles, I’d take Jones in a heartbeat. Wentz would’ve learned more. Matthews and DGB would’ve been significantly better. Agholor? Nah. Sherman would’ve merely shifted the focus to whichever CB had the bad luck to be the starter.

  • Julescat

    a competent ref and the Eagles beat the Lions

    8 – 8

    • A_T_G

      The choices were Julio Jones or Richard Sherman. You can’t just make up mythical creatures.

      • Sb2bowl

        Demogorgon

  • ColorSgt

    Jones. The offense was stagnant at times this year. The D was serviceable.

    • Ryan Rambo

      “The D was serviceable.”

      That’s what she said.

      • ColorSgt

        What she thought: The O didn’t really show up.

      • Mitchell

        She told me it was above and beyond serviceable, commendable, if you will.

        • ChoTime

          “Satisfied With the D” was the name of one of Tommy’s posts, I believe.

        • Ryan Rambo

          Ha! I hear ya man!

  • Outtenbucks

    Neither would have contributed to a mark in the win column. Jones wouldn’t have made Wentz a cleaner Pocket and Sherman wouldn’t have generated pressure on 3rd down (or any down for that matter).

    • Ryan Rambo

      Both of those positions (WR or CB) can still easily impact a game-winning or game-losing play though right?

      • Outtenbucks

        Oh absolutely. If Julio Jones is the man reaching for that catch against Seattle instead of Agholor, I believe it’s a catch. That drop deflated the whole team. Maybe we pull that win out. If Sherman is helping cover Green Bay’s WRs maybe we have a better chance.

        But so many of our losses (Washington and Cincinnati come to mind) were such total collapses that having one, or even both, I don’t think would’ve mattered a whole lot. But who knows

        • Ryan Rambo

          We have a lot of areas to improve. It’s gonna be an interesting off-season for sure between FA & the draft. I hope we can make some savvy moves that get us headed in the right direction. I’ll take an impact player anywhere we can get him, won’t even be picky lol. There should be some very talented guys available when we pick.

          • Outtenbucks

            I agree. I can’t wait to see what this offseason brings. You’re right to want impact players, that’s what this team needs. And we have a good number of picks to stock our depth and a stocked front office picking the groceries. Could be fun!

        • xmbk

          Washington losses were both by less than 1 score. Just 3 losses all season by more than 7, and one of them was Seattle. Not saying one player gives them the SB, but clearly they were not far from the playoffs.

          • Outtenbucks

            I agree they weren’t far off. But the first Washington loss was more than just us needing one more drive to win the game. It wasn’t a shootout. Washington just didn’t need to score more than they did. They outplayed us.

            Now, does adding a premium player at any position help us immensely? Yes absolutely. I actually think if we had a premium pass rusher it would have pushed us to .500 at least.

            But I just temper my expectations if we were to hypothetically trade for one of those players, or say, add Alshon Jeffrey, for example. I wouldn’t expect that move alone to translate into a mark in the win column. I’d be nice to have, but this team needs work to win those games, and more work to be labeled a competitor.

          • Tumtum

            Agreed. They need to show it to be labeled a competitor and there ain’t no 2 ways about it.

          • xmbk

            Agreed, I just don’t see a scenario where Jeffery is worth what he costs.

          • A_T_G

            If we swap Sherman for McKelvin, do they start McKelvin in that game? Because that is a definite Win for us if they do.

        • Tumtum

          Really it was just those 2… I might even give you the GB one too. 5 games were decided by a touchdown or less. Hell the Ravens game we didn’t even bother actually taking to a meaningless overtime.

          Cheer up man…this team ain’t as far off as it feels.

          • Sb2bowl

            Considering we played 4 right tackles, multiple guard lineup changes, multiple mid-later round picks, had WR’s that couldn’t catch the ball, and started a rookie QB that played for NORTH DAKOTA STATE UNIVERSITY who had 8 days to prepare as our starting QB— I think we are going to be okay.

            You are correct Tumtum; every team has challenges and warts. When one gets corrected, another one comes up.

          • Outtenbucks

            You know, you may be right. Maybe I should cheer up! I’ve been less hopeful than most on the 2016 team. I had them as 8-8 at best before the year started. But the team did play better than I anticipated, especially considering we started a rookie at QB who didn’t see a lot of preseason reps. Thanks for cheering me up!

    • ChoTime

      A few of our losses were one-play losses. An upgrade at either position would most likely have moved the meter in the win column.

      The fact that we lost some games by a large amount doesn’t mean we didn’t lose some by the barest of margins. You could lose 100-0 and that has no bearing on the other 15 games.

      • Outtenbucks

        Yes. We are going to lose games. No matter what.

        The way I read the question was replace Agholor with Julio Jones. Or, replace McKelvin with Richard Sherman. All other things, events, play calls, players, refs, all remaining the same, I don’t think it would’ve resulted in more wins.

        • Tumtum

          Yeah Julio def would of held (having no impact on the play) on the Ertz long touchdown that lost us a game all by itself. Nahhh man.. think it through. Julio at least would of certainly had an impact on the win column.

          I can at least accept someone making an argument against Sherman possibly not changing the Ws and Ls. Hardly seems reasonable to argue that about Julio.

          Remember though, this isn’t even answering the question he asked.

        • Jernst

          All Julio has to do to give us an extra win is make one play in one of our many close games that puts us into FG range on a drive that we otherwise punted on. It’s not like we were getting blown out all year.

          • Outtenbucks

            Yeah, I agree, I just don’t think improving the play of our WR solely will improve our record last year by a single game.

    • Tumtum

      I could not disagree anymore. Wentz had a pretty damn good pocket all year compared to most QBs in the leauge, not to mention his ability outside of the pocket. As Cho said before too, if we just win those 1 play games who knows how last season looks.

      You should at least answer the question. Thought experiment needs data.

      • Outtenbucks

        Hmm, you’re right I didn’t answer the question.

        In a situation where adding one of those two players does in fact increase our win total, which do I add?

        Julio Jones all day! And all night!

        I adore Wentz’s ability out of the pocket, and yes our o-line played better than most did, and I think they were universally underrated. And yes, in those one-play games, if we had either of these players, things could be much different. Just the confidence the team would have alone.

    • Jernst

      We lost multiple games by less than 3 points, and even more by 1 score or less. You don’t think Julio makes a single catch all year in one of those games that buys us a field goal?

  • Ryan Rambo

    The New Orleans Advocate’s Nick Underhill reports the Saints and impending free agent Nick Fairley have mutual interest in a new contract.
    After playing on back-to-back one-year deals with the Rams and Saints the past two seasons, Fairley is looking to cash in with a multi-year deal after another strong 2016. He recorded 6.5 sacks and 47 combined sacks, hits, and hurries, grading out as PFF’s No. 8 pass-rushing interior lineman. Underhill thinks Fairley could be seeking $9.5-10.5 million annually on his new deal.

  • 89tremaine

    Khalil Mack or a healthy JJ Watt. The D was so much better when the D-Line was putting constant pressure on the opposing QB. I don’t think a single WR or RB would have made a huge difference in the offensive production. A QB like Brady or Rogers would have been a huge upgrade over Wentz, but all he can do is put the WR in a position to make a play. Wentz did a pretty good job of that and the WRs let him down.

    I’ll take a stud pass rusher over a stud corner any day.

    • xmbk

      I would pick a healthy Watt right after Rodgers. Wentz did a good job, Rodgers would have done a better one. He definitely would have finished a few of those drives that Wentz didn’t.

      • anon

        Rodgers has built a ton of chemistry w/ his receivers. Have to remember that Wentz was 3rd string until right before the season started.

    • Sb2bowl

      If I had the choice, I’d go with Mack. Healthier at this point, younger and a bit more explosive overall (though by not much).

    • Sean Brock

      Mack, Graham and Cox would absolutely wreck the league. I think Watt is better than Mack but Mack would fill a bigger need imo. With everyone healthy the dine is Graham, Logan, Cox and Mack. That’s just not fair.

  • daveH

    AE was PSD.

  • izzylangfan

    How far away are the Eagles from having a lights out defense? Because if it’s one DL and two CBs they could get those in this years draft.

    • BobSmith77

      Assuming they don’t lose Logan and that there defense stays as healthy again next year.

      Their defense lost almost no starters to injury last year.

      – Barwin, Cox, Graham, Bradham, Hicks, Carroll, Jenkins, and McLeod all started and played 16 GS last year.

      – The only starters who really missed any time were Logan (3 games) and McKelvin (4 games). I guess you could add Brooks but he was a nickel corner.

      • Will Ft. Daft Punk

        I would add Brook with the amount of 3 WR sets team played. Losing our stating slot CB changed the way we played defense for the rest of the year

        • BobSmith77

          Their pass defense completely collapsed because a token journeyman CB got hurt? That always struck me as a case of the ‘boying crying wolf.’

          • sonofdman

            Losing their journeyman CB also had the effect of turning their pro bowl safety into an average slot CB and replacing him with a below average backup safety.

          • Will Ft. Daft Punk

            It forced Jenkins to play Slot CB which made worse us at Safety and in the slot. It was never about losing Brook’s skill, its about losing a body.

    • Anders

      I honestly just think it is 1 CB. Because it allow to Mills to play the nickle/dime and give the DL ½ a sec more

  • Nick C

    Julio, and I don’t think it’s close. His threat all over the field opens up Ertz in the middle and underneath. Opens up JMatt in the slot. Opens up NA to drop a few more wide open passes, and most importantly opens up the running game, which makes everything work better (Lane Johnson also does that); Sherman would help, but most QBs would just throw at Carroll or Finger Wag.

  • Outtenbucks

    Hmm, you’re right I didn’t answer the question.

    In a situation where adding one of those two players does in fact increase our win total, which do I add?

    Julio Jones all day! And all night. And not because yesterday was valentines!

    I adore Wentz’s ability out of the pocket, and yes our o-line played better than most did, and I think they were universally underrated. And yes, in those one-play games, if we had either of these players, things could be much different. Just the confidence the team would have alone.

  • Jernst

    Julio and it’s not even close. The defense occasionally got decent CB play throughout the year and was a functional group in most games despite the glaring weakness at CB. The WRs were completely nonfunctional all year and in every single game and you could see they clearly held the offense back.

    Plus, you can avoid a Richard Sherman and still pick on the other 2 CBS if they’re atrocious. A defense can’t “avoid” Julio Jones. They have to confront his talent. And, 90% of the time he’s going to make a big difference in the game.

  • BobSmith77

    How about the obvious one – Murray for Mathews. Still think this team wins at least 9 games (maybe 10) with Murray instead last year.

  • ChoTime

    “Who is the player most likely to breakout in 2017? (Last year’s winner: Thomas Rawls)
    6.6% Carson Wentz, QB, PHI
    6.1% Malcolm Mitchell, WR, NE
    4.4% Jared Goff, QB, LARM
    4.4% Paul Richardson, WR, SEA 3.9% C.J. Prosise, RB, SEA
    3.9% Josh Doctson, WR, WAS
    3.3% Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, NE?
    2.8% Derrick Henry, RB, TEN
    As usual, votes in this category were all over the map. Carson Wentz narrowly ended up on top of the heap, which sounds like good news — until you look back at past winners of this award. I’m grateful for each and every person who reads anything on Football Outsiders, but man, you guys have had some rotten luck picking breakout stars. The best of the lot was probably Jay Cutler, who won this award in 2007, or maybe 2009 winner Michael Crabtree or 2010’s Sam Bradford. Otherwise, you’ve got names like Matt Leinart, Anthony Gonzalez, LaMichael James, and Cordarrelle Patterson. And then there was 2011.”

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/2017/2016-football-outsiders-awards

    • BobSmith77

      Choose – None of the above.

      • ChoTime

        Ouch! There’s a chance Wentz has a good year.

        • BobSmith77

          More a reflection of the skill talent he’ll have next year as well as Pederson’s play calling.

  • James Adair

    Julio Jones

  • GermanEagle

    Shady + DeSean reunion in Philly?! That would be borderline awesome.

    • P_P_K

      Like Einstein said: E=MC2
      E(agles) = M(ake a deal for guys)C(hip got rid of)2

      • GermanEagle

        Very intelligently played, sir.

        • P_P_K

          It’s all relative.

    • Sean Stott

      On one hand, yeah, it would be cool. On the other hand, we didn’t win with them before, why would we expect to now with a few extra years of wear and tear and age on them?

    • BobSmith77
      • Bert’s Bells

        It’s nice of her to explain a super obvious Thomas Wolfe title.

        • ChoTime

          Maybe she’ll make another one explaining the “can’t step in the same river twice” quote with a similar bizarre expression on her face.

    • eagleyankfan

      Given the perceived direction of the Eagles – this wouldn’t make any sense. Youth movement and player development doesn’t = Shady + Desean.

    • xmbk

      Only if awesome borders stupid. 😉

      • Mac

        There is a fine line between genius and insanity.

  • mark2741

    Lane Johnson for the guy that replaced him. Seriously. They were playing great until Lane went out.

  • aron

    ooooooooooh that smell, can you smell that smell

  • BobSmith77

    “Kiper has the Eagles taking WR Mike Williams in his latest draft. In Kiper’s mock draft, Washington cornerback Sidney Jones, Florida State running back Dalvin Cook and Alabama tight end O.J. Howard will all be there for the taking. Same for fellow wide receiver Corey Davis, the 2016 Mid-American Conference Offensive Player of the Year who finished his career at Western Michigan as the NCAA’s all-time leader in receiving yards (5,278).”

    http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/20205/carson-wentz-eagles-get-receiver-in-kipers-latest-mock

    • xmbk

      Yeah, Tennessee is interesting because they have very similar needs. I could see them taking 2 DB or 2 receivers in the first. If they go DB with 5, one of the wideouts likely slips. I think they take Howard second, he just fits them so well. They are also in the same situation of trying to develop a young stud QB. We’ll see what they do in FA.

  • BobSmith77

    Roseman offseason plan now:

    Heavy on the ‘Shawns’ – ‘LeSean, Desean, and Alshon’

    • Sb2bowl

      No to Alshon, but I like your thinking

      • Nick C

        No to the other two.

        • Sb2bowl

          Jackson doesn’t seem like a bad option at this point, depending on his asking price and how the market gets set.

          Shady– I’m indifferent about, doesn’t matter to me. If it happens, the money has to work, and by that I mean about $2.5m per year.

    • Fufina

      Trade a 4th round pick for Maclin and Howie can bring the whole crew back together….

      • Nailed It!

        Then trade our 2nd for Andy Reid and we got our selves a team!

        • Mitchell

          You think that’d be enough? We should toss in next years 1st too!

  • Mac

    Fair.

  • Nick C

    Bouye not expected to receive Franchise Tag… I think we will go after him or Alshon. Probably not a situation where we could afford both.

    • Insomniac

      No more expensive one year wonders please.

      • Nick C

        I hear ya. But if we went by that logic we wouldn’t draft anyone either. Bouye looked good when you turned on the tape. May he be a bit of a product of a good front 7? Sure. But we have one as well. We need young guys this team can build around. And if we go into the draft needing 2 WRs, 2 CBs, starting DT, starting DE, 1-2 LB (Kendricks gone, Bradham will be suspended), replacement Tackle for Peters next year, starting RB, starting OG, and depth across the board we are in trouble. We need to address some areas legitimately. Stopgaps don’t solve the problems they just create the same one next year. An infusion of talent in FA and the draft is what I am hoping for. But if we still need 2 corners, or 2 WRs I think that will cause us to force addressing those areas at the cost of getting great players elsewhere.

        • A_T_G

          I had forgotten all about the possibility that Bradham could still face discipline.

        • Insomniac

          A 10+ million CB who just put together his first good year on a talented defense is way more riskier than drafting a high pick CB that may or may not work out.

          • Fufina

            Is it? lets say we pay him $12m a year with 2 years guaranteed. If he under performs that contract what exactly is the long term damage? $24mil of cap over 2 years or about 7% of the cap during that time. Bouye even if he significantly under performs his contract will probably be better than most of the guys you can sign on cheaper deals like McKelvin types.

            The advantage of a Bouye type is he actually has the potential to out perform his contract, since his limited experience will push down his price. It will be a tough evaluation but i think it is more important to hit on draft picks (who are here for 4-10 years and have 4 years of very cheap salary) than missing on 1-2 free agents.

          • Nick C

            This is what I am thinking as well. Although the contracts could get really bloated this year with teams like CLE having over 100M in space.

          • Insomniac

            That’s assuming he’ll agree to our terms. I would much rather spend money next year on a more established big name FA.

      • Dave

        I can’t upvote this enough!

        • ChoTime

          Did we… get expensive one year wonders at some point? I’m drawing a blank here.

          • Fufina

            I was thinking exactly the same thing, so I just went through last 10 years of big free agent signings, and the closest thing to this is Maxwell – although it would be fairer to call him a 2 year wonder honestly (and he has been ‘fine’ in Miami… which suggests it was as much the situation as the player)

          • Dave

            Byron Maxwell, 6th round pick, 17 starts in first 4 years, 12 starts in contract year

            AJ Bouye, UDFA, 19 starts in 4 years, 11 starts in contract year

            Maxwell got benched in Miami. He played well later in the season though. He was an absolute bum for us who only signed in Philly for the money.

          • FairOaks

            He played pretty well for us. Our best CB last year, and better than what we had this year. He just wasn’t great and he was being paid like a difference-maker, which he wasn’t. That, and the 2017 cap ramifications were hideous enough we had to ditch him a year ahead of time.

          • Dave

            I think his biggest issue was his attitude and non-competitive nature once he got paid. He seemed like the CB version of Jay Cutler.

          • ChoTime

            I get that most free agents are overpaid, of course, it’s just the “one year wonder” thing that threw me. I agree that Maxwell pretty much fits the bill. I wonder if they’re also thinking Sconces.

          • Dave

            Byron Maxwell

          • unhinged

            Free Agency is a time for decent players to get paid, and for desperate franchises to overpay. Namdi stands out in my mind as the most expensive disappoint to don Eagle green, and it points to the mindset (or lack thereof) in the Eagles FO. Banner was gone, Roseman was still pretty green, Jim Johnson was gone, and AR was the de facto GM ( and his feel for defensive talent was practically nonexistent). Compare that to AR’s signing of Jon Runyan or Ray Rhodes’ signing of Troy Vincent. Those were savvy assessments of team’s need and player’s ability. I think Schwartz has displayed good understanding of need and ability, and DP may have had something to do with the Brandon Brooks signing, and HR seems to have gained more perspective, so maybe the current Eagles can use FA successfully (for a change).

          • A_T_G

            But Nnamdi was the consensus best CB in the league for multiple years before FA. He was the opposite of a one hit wonder. Use him as a example of not paying any free agents, but he does nothing for the argument against guys with a short resume. If anything, he is an argument for signing the young guy, because clearly it is all a crapshoot.

          • unhinged

            I think your first point is both provocative and questionable. I was emphasizing the insight of the franchise doing the buying, and making wise decisions. Namdi was celebrated and well respected while in Oakland. He maintained very high status for EIGHT seasons, playing man coverage. He had a lot of wear on his body. He never had to play zone, which was what AR and his DC of the month were using frequently after Jim Johnson died. It was a lot of money for unreasonable expectations (he said in hindsight).

          • Fufina

            Banner was still running the show in 2011 when we signed Nnamdi

          • unhinged

            Given that he made a hasty retreat soon after that dream team season, I think HR was highly involved in that FA. Either way, the FA was buggered by distraction, incompetence and rose-colored glasses. AR was most responsible in my view.

  • laeagle
    • Insomniac

      He’ll probably want to go play for a contender at this point of his career. He’ll probably go to the Patriots on a cheap deal or something.

      • laeagle

        He did play pretty well under Schwartz, if I recall, and he’s not exactly a hot commodity these days. Maybe he comes here on a reasonable deal, like McKelvin or Bradham.

        • Insomniac

          He did but I’m not sure if he’s in our best interest right now. We’ve already invested heavily into the DL and Williams seems like he’s already declining.

    • Nick C

      Dolphins creating real close to 50M in space. Who are they targeting?

      • Ryan Rambo

        Kenny Stills and defensive end Andre Branch are headed to Free Agency and both Landry and Reshad Jones will be FA’s next year so they have some bills to pay lol.

  • Mac

    The nickel standard FA list: (criteria: meets a team need, offers the hope of being better than nolan carroll, not going to break the bank)

    1. Kenny Britt
    2. Marquise Goodwin
    3. Stephon Gilmore
    4. Marcus Cooper
    5. Bennie Logan

    • Dave

      Gilmore and Bennie will surely break the bank.

      • Mac

        I thought Gilmore might be a stretch (I don’t think he’ll be the MOST coveted CB FA this year)… but if you want me to go super cheap I will take Tramon Williams.

        Logan, is he valued outside of Philadelphia? Let’s assume he is. Then I would go with Devin Taylor.

        • Dave

          I’m just under the assumption any good player is going to get way overpaid in free agency. Gilmore and Bennie are both good, not great players.

          I’ll only be upset if we sign Carroll again.

    • D3FB

      Britt (7-8 mil), Goodwin (2mil), Gilmore (12mil) and keeping Logan (7mil) plus Keenan Robinson or Paul Worrilow (2-3mil) is pretty much what I’ve come to view as the optimal FA season.

      • Anders

        You prefer Britt over Stills or just think Stills wont come here for that type of money?

        I also hope Gilmore will cost more like 10 than 12

        • D3FB

          I think it’s easier to compliment Britt (big physical downfield target) than Stills.

          Gilmore wants $14mil and there’s a lot of money out there. I think he’ll get at least 12.

  • A_T_G

    So, we all are over the Terrell Pryor idea now, right?

    (For those not on Twitter, every third tweet I read seems to be another former teammate sharing how much of a jerk he is. College teammates, former Browns, Pacman Jones (yup, even him) calling him garbage then shouting into a trash can looking for Pryor.)

    • Insomniac
      • Dave

        Adam Jones… I’ll take “pot calling the kettle black” for $500 Alex.

        • Insomniac

          Not going to disagree there but that was funny.

        • Will Ft. Daft Punk

          Jones is the juice that sits on the bottom of the trash

  • GENETiC-FREAK

    Free Agency 2017 Target/Wish list

    Thought I would have a good look at who is out there.

    Checked out players and positions I think are needed and are a scheme fit. Filling as many holes they can now will give the Eagles the more flexibility going into the Draft.

    Also I didn’t look at older players hitting 30 or over.

    Had pros and cons but would have been a whole article worth so just ranked them as top 5 options.

    WR –
    Obvious positions of need. Wentz needs weapons. Eagles WRs couldn’t win enough of their matchups, they couldn’t get open consistently and couldn’t catch the ball. Also lacked that vertical threat.

    1. Alshon Jeffery, Bears, Age 26 Ht 6’3 Wt 213
    2. Kenny Stills, Dolphins, Age 24 Ht 6’0 Wt 195
    3. Robert Woods, Bills, Age 24 Ht 6’0 Wt 190
    4. Markus Wheaton, Steelers, Age 26 Ht 5’11 Wt 189
    T5. Kendall Wright, Titans, Age 27 Ht 5’10 Wt 191
    T5. Cordarelle Patterson, Vikings, Age 25 Ht 6’2 Wt 220

    CB –
    Eagles CBs really struggled this season. Which I think translated to the DL not generating enough pressure or getting home enough. Not much of an improvement or any from last year. Carroll looked to have declined. McKelvin was a band aid and now the Eagles ripped it off. Brooks got injured early. Bright spot was finger wager Mills but not too bright was his lack of speed.

    1. Stephon Gilmore, Bills, Age 26 Ht 6’1 Wt 190
    2. A.J Bouye, Texans, Age 25 Ht 6’0 Wt 191
    3. Logan Ryan, Patriots, Age 26 Ht 5’11 Wt 195
    4. Morris Claiborne, Cowboys, Age 27 Ht 5’11 Wt 192
    5. Trumaine Johnson, Rams, Age 27 Ht 6’2 Wt 208

    DT –
    Logan will probably command some big coin in the market with the ability to play NT and DT. Eagles need to inject as many bodies and youth into that position. More pressure is needed from the interior and the DL as a whole.

    1. Nick Fairley, Saints, Age 29 Ht 6’4 Wt 300
    2. Karl Klug, Titans, Age 28 Ht 6’3 Wt 278
    3. Courtney Upshaw, Falcon, Age 27 Ht 6’2 Wt 272
    4. Kendall Reyes, Chiefs, Age 27 Ht 6’4 Wt 300
    5. Stacy McGee, Raiders, Age 27 Ht 6’3 Wt 310

    DE –
    As we saw the Eagles DL just didn’t get enough pressure. Cox was getting doubled or even triple teamed and the rest of the DL apart from Graham got little to no pressure at all. Good to stop the run but the Eagles CBs had no chance out there. Barwin looks like he’s on the outs. Just like the DT position more bodies in there the better. Someone needs to step up.

    1. Jarvis Jones, Steelers, Age 27 Ht 6’3 Wt 248
    2. Alex Okafor, Cardinals, Age 26 Ht 6’4 Wt 261
    3. Damontre Moore, Seahawks, Age 24 Ht 6’5 Wt 250
    4. Cornelius Washington, Bears, Age 27 Ht 6’4 Wt 292
    5. Barkevious Mingo, Patriots, Age 26 Ht 6’4 Wt 240

    G –
    Not a position of need but it is a position with some questions. Wiz is a FA. Babre was rumoured not to be safe along with Kelce. Seumalo is there but does he play G or C. Brooks was a big signing last year so I don’t think Eagles will spend big again at the position.

    1. Kevin Zeitler, Bengals, Age 26 Ht 6’4 Wt 320
    2. Larry Warford, Lions, Age 25 Ht 6’3 Wt 317
    3. Ronald Leary, Cowboys, Age 27 Ht 6’3 Wt 320
    4. Chance Warmack, Titans, Age 25 Ht 6’2 Wt 323
    5. Jonathan Cooper, Cowboys, Age 27 Ht 6’2 Wt 310

    LB –
    Eagles have a stud in Hicks. Bradham played solid to last year. Goode is a FA. Kendricks is on the block. Walker is coming back from injury. Grugier-Hill is a ST player. Leaving the Eagles with an empty cupboard at LB.

    1. Dont’a Hightower, Patriots, Age 26 Ht 6’3 Wt 265
    2. Zach Brown, Bills, Age 27 Ht 6’1 Wt 248
    3. Kevin Minter, Cardinals, Age 26 Ht 6’0 Wt 246
    4. Manti Te’o, Chargers, Age 26 Ht 6’1 Wt 241
    5. Arthur Brown, Jets, Age 26 Ht 6’0 Wt 240

    FB-
    Finally a position Eagles haven’t had since Weaver. We have one on the roster. Not many hitting FA but the ones that are, are the best in the league. Could only name 4 because the others are 30 or over.

    1. Kyle Juszczyk, Ravens, Age 25 Ht 6’1 Wt 240
    2. Patrick DeMarco, Falcons, Age 27 Ht 6’1 Wt 234
    3. James Devlin, Patriots, Age 28 Ht 6’3 Wt 255
    4. Zach Line, Vikings, Age 26 Ht 6’1 Wt 233

    If Eagles can come away with some of these names i think we will be strong heading into the Draft and into the season.

    • Insomniac

      Jarvis Jones? Dude has .5 more sacks than Bennie does in their career.

      • GENETiC-FREAK

        I dont think he will break the bank. All the DEs i mentioned i think could come cheap. Jones i want to see him with his hands on the ground. Playing 3-4 LB might not be his fit anymore.

        Low risk high reward options i went for at that position.

        • Insomniac

          I don’t think there’s a high reward option for him. He’s not talented enough to play in the NFL.

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            Has to be talent if he was originally projected to go in top 10 then slow combine dropped him late 1st.

            Theres also the other 4 options lol

          • Insomniac

            The Steelers would love to have that pick back, as would the Broncos when they drafted Tebow.

    • Julescat

      Manti Teo?

      that guy is always hurt

      • GENETiC-FREAK

        Hes played more than he has missed. He is talented, has a high football IQ and shows leadership. Bodies are needed.

        • Julescat

          he has missed 50% of his games including the entire 2016 season

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            Played 38 of 68 games. Hmmm just a lil over.

            But lets not get caught up on just the one player.

            Sio Moore was a guy i had but his play they say has declined.

            Te’o play hasnt declined just his health lol

        • Dave

          Ran a 4.82 at combine and is recovering from a torn Achilles. He is a MLB only.

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            Thats cool. Demaco Ryans was in the same boat then became a fan favourite and key cog of the LB unit.

            Not saying hes coming here to start or anything. But i would rather have him than Tulloch?

          • Insomniac

            I think we were high on Joe Walker before he was done for the season. If we’re going to bring someone in, I would prefer to take Zach Brown and plug him into WILL.

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            Yip Joe Walker i have a feeling they are going to plug him outside of Hicks maybe..

            Zach Brown i liked before Titans let him walk. His price could be high this year. Played lights out.

          • Insomniac

            4-3 OLBs don’t seem to get big contracts. If we trade Kendricks then I think we can give Brown $5-7 million a year.

            http://overthecap.com/position/4-3-outside-linebacker/

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            Hmm interesting thought they would get paid more.

            Maybe a chance then.

          • Dave

            DeMeco was a 2 time pro bowler and brought in to start. I don’t see Mantis playing special teams.

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            The main point is Eagles need bodies. Inject talent, youth. They cant just go into the Draft with nothing left in the cupboard know what im saying.

            Hicks is the only player i see secured his spot. Flood the position with talented bodies. Someone is going to want to claim a 53 man spot whether it is to start or play ST.

          • Dave

            I agree we need some depth. I just think there are better choices than Manti. Guys who are always injured tend to be always injured.

    • A_T_G

      Great work. Lots of interesting names on there. Nick Fairley is a player I would rather not see on the Eagles.

      • Mitchell

        Are you positively or just Fairley certain?

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      Im starting to like Robert Woods and Wheaton as options for Wentz

    • Mitchell

      A fan-post section for this site would be on point. Could far exceed any other Iggles related fan-post content, imo.

  • Insomniac
    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      I was hoping Zay Jones would stay under the radar. People were talking about Ford early on but I havent heard his name much recently.

      A late round WR I’m hoping for is Josh Reynolds

      • Insomniac

        Same but then he blew up the Senior Bowl by making everyone look bad there. I like Reynolds too but the more I watched him play the more questions that were left unanswered.

        I think Stacy Coley is going under the radar right now. He’s fast, has solid hands, and has good RAC skills. He could be the deep threat that we need if we pass on Reynolds or any FA speedsters.

    • A_T_G

      I don’t remember ever seeing that many examples of body control in a video clip that didn’t involve a stage and a pole.

    • Mitchell

      Which one talks about Jones? Both are about Ford.

      • Insomniac

        None of them! The post is about Ford.

        • Mitchell

          My bad, I read the original comment as both has some love. Gonna check out Ford now.

          • Insomniac

            Jones has the more reliable hands but lets face it he’s arguably the most reliable guy in the draft. Ford is more athletic and has a higher ceiling. I think they’re both good prospects and would love to get both.

            The double move on Sutton was great but like you said he couldn’t finish the play. I would have to give credit to Sutton for a great recovery and a hell of a breakup too. Matt Waldman broke it down best.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMu2F0A27c

          • Mitchell

            I love me some Matt Waldman. Good breakdown. I would have to agree that Ford has the higher ceiling and he makes some pretty damn good catches in other tapes but also some more drops than I would like. I just feel so burned by all these dropped passes that I may be going to far on one end of the spectrum. In my personal opinion I like Jones better but I can see the allure of Ford as well.

          • Insomniac

            Yea I know how you feel, I’m also sick of easy drops and I’ve been wanting someone like Zay Jones for a long time. Ford needs to work on his hand strength and maybe improve his catching technique. He lets the ball beat him up a little and would benefit more from catching the ball cleanly so he could use his athleticism.

    • Yes, please! I love Isaiah Ford in the 2nd/3rd round; I really hope the Eagles pick him and get good players at other positions earlier in the round.

      Considering the depth in this draft, I kinda want the Eagles to trade down, as in Scenario 1 at http://weapone.blogspot.com/2017/01/mock-draftwith-twist.html

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  • BlindChow

    Brandon Albert was reported to be cut by the Dolphins, but once the word got out they decided to hold onto him because teams were interested in trading.

    Just thought I’d mention it for all those people who insist that “knowing he’s going to be cut” means a player can’t be traded because his current team has no leverage.

    • daveH

      Brandon Albert Einstein. . Entitled An IQ

  • A Roy

    And besides, it’s NORMAN Einstein.