Breakfast With Doug

Posted: March 30th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 89 Comments »

The NFL owners meetings were held this week in Phoenix. Jeffrey Lurie spoke to the media for about a half hour on Tuesday and Doug Pederson spoke to the media at breakfast on Wednesday for an hour or so. Let’s focus on Pederson and what he had to say.

First…there were no bombshells or nuggets of serious interest. You can watch the talk here at I would advise you to skip that. If you want to watch something exciting that takes place in Phoenix, watch the movie Sicario. You’ll only get half-way through in an hour, but it is a brilliant film and you’ll happily spend another hour to finish it. The film is incredibly intense and you can think of it as offseason practice for watching Eagles games that come down to the final possession.

Back to Pederson. I thought he made one really good point about Carson Wentz.

“So for him to just be able to exhale, catch his breath, come into this offseason knowing that he’s the starter, not having to guess if he’s going to be the starter, it’s big for him. It’s part of his maturity. It’s part of the growth at that position and we definitely want to see incremental process. It’s not going to be an overnight change, obviously, but it’s going to be that each day we’re getting him ready to go for day one, for opening day.”

As simple and obvious as that sounds, I think there is real value in Wentz knowing he’s the starter. He will work with the first unit all spring and summer. He knows to carry himself as the leader of the team. He knows he has to be ready, mentally and physically. When you are third on the dept chart, things are more complicated. You don’t want to step on any toes. You have to be somewhat deferential. You also find yourself throwing a lot of passes to guys that will be washing Jimmy Bama’s car a few months from now. Being the starter changes your mentality and places you in the best environment.

Pederson talked about the need for a break from football.

“It’s like I tell every player. Get away. Relax,” Pederson said. “I don’t want to see you, you don’t need to see me. Get out of the building, go on vacation, heal up, rest, do all of those things that you need to do and be ready to come back fresh on April 17. Take some time for yourself. For him it’s hard because he wants to throw every day. You say take some time away and don’t touch the ball. Come back ready to go, and we’re excited.”

Compare that to Bill Belichick’s message.

Obviously Belichick doesn’t mean that to be taken literally. He even takes a few days off. But he wants his championship team to avoid relaxing or letting up so he is sending a strong message with the “No Days Off” chant.

When you compare that to Pederson wanting his 7-9 team to get away from football and come back refreshed, it looks awkward. They are very different situations so this isn’t an apples to apples comparison, but I just find the messages interesting.

From what Doug said, it sounds like the Eagles will be open to adding a player with character concerns, possibly a star like Dalvin Cook or Joe Mixon. Pederson didn’t get into specifics. He doesn’t want to give away the Eagles draft plans. He just said that something like this is possible, but there needs to be the right fit. I think he means the player has to fit the scheme, the player’s personality has to fit the locker room and the value of the pick has to make sense. We aren’t going to know anything for sure until late April.

Pederson was asked about going to Los Angeles, where the Eagles have two road games this year. He explained that the Eagles did request they be back-to-back so the team can stay out there. Will find out if that happens in a few weeks.

There was a strange moment when Jeff McLane asked Pederson about his scouting report on Alshon Jeffrey. Pederson basically said that is proprietary knowledge. McLane then asked for a few comments on the star WR’s game. Pederson awkwardly said a few things about him. Then he compared it to evaluating O-linemen and flew off with a list of key things to look for in a good blocker.

That was a softball from McLane, not a gotcha question. I have no idea why Pederson gave such an odd response.

McLane did ask a tough one about why the Eagles gave a high tender to TE Trey Burton with such a deep draft class of TEs. Why spend that money? Pederson talked about Burton as a key STer and overall good player.

Jimmy Bama asked about Halapoulivaati Vaitai as a future starter. Pederson said he showed “dynamic” potential last year. I thought Big V had a solid rookie season, but you have to put disclaimers around him. He played well “for a rookie”. He played well “under the circumstances”. I do think Big V showed the potential to develop into a future starter, but I didn’t see anything dynamic about him. To be fair, I haven’t watched tape of him in a few months. Maybe I’m overlooking something.

Pederson had plenty of praise for Isaac Seumalo. That’s a guy who doesn’t need disclaimers. He was impressive and did show the potential to become an outstanding starter.


Les Bowen’s take on Doug’s talk

Jeff McLane’s take


This is great.


89 Comments on “Breakfast With Doug”

  1. 1 scratcherk said at 8:49 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Posted this on the old thread:

    Heres a good primer for CBs in the draft. Could cross them off one by one as they go off the board:

  2. 2 Rellihcs said at 9:06 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    With all due respect, the source is a college kid with, zero qualifications… Not a pro in any sense whatsoever…

    But a list it is…

  3. 3 scratcherk said at 9:10 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Dunno, but I’ve liked some of his previous breakdowns. And it’s better than I could do…

    Looking forward to D3’s list tho.

  4. 4 xmbk said at 12:33 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    His brief synopsis on each player is better than some “pro” writers I’ve seen. It’s a solid working list.

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 8:43 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Thank you for posting. An interesting read to add to some others.

  6. 6 Rellihcs said at 5:49 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    This list mistakenly omits Rasul Douglas, if I’m not mistaken..

  7. 7 D3FB said at 9:09 AM on March 31st, 2017:


  8. 8 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 9:20 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Doug’s still just not great with the press. Says weird stuff sometimes. Doesn’t seem to be a bad coach, this just isn’t his strength.

  9. 9 Sb2bowl said at 9:33 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Kinda like Tabor on anything other than practice or the playing field in games- can bring it when stakes are high, but testing isn’t really his strength.

    If he’s there in the 3rd, he’s worth the risk. The kid can play football, but he tests like hell. You don’t suddenly lose that………. unless you do.

  10. 10 Ark87 said at 9:27 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    On the “knowing he’s the starter helps”

    I don’t buy it, never bought it.

    It sounds like good logic but I haven’t seen it have a demonstrable positive effect pretty much ever. Didn’t work for Kolb. Didn’t work for Vick. Didn’t work for Foles. And we all know McNabb got complacent to the point of being uncoachable. Vick plead all day long that Chip’s competition was dumb and hurting his preparation for the season. But he never practiced better. If not for his durability problem, he was having an up year.

    I’m not saying Wentz will regress, I just think the idea that no competition will help is hollow coach-speak.

  11. 11 eagleyankfan said at 9:56 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    I thought it all the incredible tutoring of 1 year from Chase will be the cause for all the great things Wentz will do(insert rolling of eyes)….I’d imagine knowing he’ll be throwing to AJ instead of the ‘all thumbs club’ will also help his mental prep…

  12. 12 ChoTime said at 12:04 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    haha, yeah, Chase the QB whisperer.

  13. 13 Howie Littlefinger said at 6:12 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Hey u guys are so hard on Chase. He’s a starter and he knows it….

    Also he probably believes wresting is real

  14. 14 Sb2bowl said at 9:32 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Tommy- While I agree on your premise about the difference in coaching styles, the fact that their quarterbacks are in two totally different stages of their career has to be considered. Brady, as we all know has been at this a very long time. Wentz just finished his first year in the NFL, not including the draft/evaluation season. It’s a grind.

    Doug could be looking out for his pupil- take some time off, refresh, regroup. Go be you for a while. The professional aspect will be developed over time, not in one off season. Also, Wentz may have taken some time to recharge, but I guarantee that kid was working to become the best professional athlete that he can possibly be………. while maintaining the instruction of his profession at the same time.

    Brady knows how to recharge, take time for himself, and get away. He’s used to the daily grind. “No days off” is a bullshit chant- that may be true for the coaches, but as you pointed out- even the craftiest take time for a Cav’s game once in a while.

    For a first year NFL QB that started 3rd on the depth chart (as you stated), became a starter 8 days before the season, and started every game including all but 2 or 3 snaps on offense- getting away is probably the best advice a person could give him while he navigates his first off season waters.

    I’m excited for the future, and I hope that Wentz progresses the way that his ability suggests that he can. While he doesn’t have McNabb’s athleticism (in his youth), Wentz has intangibles and leadership skills that Donny sorely lacked. Also, his football IQ seems to be extremely high- they will differ in career interceptions as McNabb chose to kill the worms of Lincoln Financial, whereas Wentz will probably pick off a pigeon or two with his desire to take shots down the field.

  15. 15 scratcherk said at 9:37 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    You draft pundits think Charles Harris will be available in the second? Also, is he going to be Vinny Curry 2.0?

  16. 16 DaO_Z said at 3:47 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Charles Harris 3 cone 7.47…..Bennie Logan 7.53….Vinny Curry 6.9… He has the agility of a DT at a DE’s weight…

  17. 17 kajomo said at 5:43 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Sure if you want to rely only on the numbers. He looked very good in LB drills at the combine.

    Testing is important if it can be verified either way. His 3 cone was disappointing, but I think he is a better athlete than this enjmber indidcate

  18. 18 D3FB said at 9:08 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Performed much better at the pro day. Matched tape. Seems like he just had an off day in Indy. Added five inches to his vert and went 7.05 in the three cone (which would be 77th percentile for EDGE)

  19. 19 Iskar36 said at 10:21 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Re – Wentz knowing he is the starter.

    Honestly, I don’t buy this makes a difference (positive or negative), particularly in Wentz’s case. For example, you wrote:

    “When you are third on the dept chart, things are more complicated. You
    don’t want to step on any toes. You have to be somewhat deferential. You
    also find yourself throwing a lot of passes to guys that will be
    washing Jimmy Bama’s car a few months from now.”

    This doesn’t match Wentz’s experience last year at all. While sure, he was throwing to third string guys for a bit, Wentz’s attitude absolutely SHOULD have been trying to step on peoples toes and justify being the 2nd overall pick. Wentz as a competitor should have been trying to steal the starting spot. He wasn’t a bottom of the roster type third string QB that would fit what you are describing above. He was brought here with the hopes of being a franchise QB. So he already had the pressure of carrying himself as a leader and being mentally and physically prepared. He would have been a bust of a pick had he done anything else.

    So I don’t buy the logic that it has a lot of value. Just like last year, there is a ton of pressure on him to perform at a high level. Just like last year, he is out there trying to justify being the 2nd overall pick. Just like last year, he is trying to prove he is a franchise QB. The only difference is he won’t have to compete with anyone to do that, but to me that shouldn’t have changed anything about his preparation from his rookie year. To me, that quote from Pederson is nothing more than coach-speak and saying nothing.

  20. 20 ChoTime said at 11:55 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Do you know how hard it is to come up with a blog post every day? 🙂

  21. 21 Iskar36 said at 12:18 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Hahaha. Don’t get me wrong, Tommy is fantastic. But when meaningless coach speak is overemphasized, it is justified to call it out. But yea… not trying to take away from what Tommy does on a regular basis.

  22. 22 Howie Littlefinger said at 6:10 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    I disagree with your post above. Every rookie has to earn his place. Just like when u are the new person at work. U don’t just command respect , it must be earned just like trust

  23. 23 Iskar36 said at 6:40 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Yes and no. You can’t equate Wentz as a random new hire. He was the 2nd overall pick and is a QB on a team that had what was clearly a bridge QB (at the time). Using your at work analogy, it would be more similar to hiring a new CEO to a company. Obviously, they are not simply handed respect, but at the same time, that CEO isn’t just going to act like s/he has to be careful not to step on anyone toes. That CEO is going to immediately come in looking to be a leader from day one and prove they were a worthy hire. That doesn’t mean there won’t be growing pains and things that need to be learned, but the expectation from the rest of the group is that the CEO will ultimately be a leader so all those carrying yourself as a leader, and being prepared physically and mentally all apply from day one.

  24. 24 Insomniac said at 4:52 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    GEAGLE would like a word with you.

  25. 25 ChoTime said at 4:53 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    My screen is happy I wasn’t reading this first thing in the morning with my coffee.

  26. 26 daveH said at 9:16 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Just hope he throws darts and not a huge 360 degree windup

  27. 27 P_P_K said at 10:26 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Wentz can exhale knowing that he now has at least one wr who will hang onto his passes.
    p.s. How much does ‘Bama pay to have his car washed?

  28. 28 A_T_G said at 10:48 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    “No days off!” chanted the crowd of fans…during working hours…on a weekday.

  29. 29 Mac said at 10:50 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    They would’ve all tried to lick their own elbow if Belichick told them to do it.

  30. 30 A_T_G said at 11:36 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    I read that if you lick your elbow and tastes like beer you should drink less of it.

  31. 31 Rellihcs said at 11:44 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    We all should drink less elbows.

  32. 32 Bacon & Iggles said at 12:57 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    You’re good, man. LMFAO

  33. 33 GermanEagle said at 1:39 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    I told you so:

  34. 34 Ryan Rambo said at 2:16 PM on March 30th, 2017:


    Bye Chase!! We hardly knew ya!!!

  35. 35 GermanEagle said at 2:24 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    It’s more like Howie screwed that contract up…for a change!

  36. 36 Ryan Rambo said at 3:03 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Didn’t cost me a penny and he’s gone now. I’ll live. Howie has done far more good than bad when it comes to contracts so I’ll sleep just fine.

  37. 37 GermanEagle said at 3:08 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Of course he did. And I like to praise Howie whenever it’s due. This time, not so much.

  38. 38 Ryan Rambo said at 4:02 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    I’m sure he’s reading your comments, and crying as we speak.

  39. 39 GermanEagle said at 4:17 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Nah he’s good. He did text me.

  40. 40 Ryan Rambo said at 5:22 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    For future contract writing advice I’m sure!

  41. 41 GermanEagle said at 5:23 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Nah. For German beer advice.

  42. 42 Media Mike said at 8:34 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    That’s excessively flippant. Like nobody is allowed to have an opinion on what the team does?

  43. 43 Ryan Rambo said at 12:59 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I’m sorry! Didn’t mean to be flippant MM and GE! Apology accepted! 🙂

  44. 44 Sean Stott said at 3:11 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    I don’t know how you’d do it or if it’s even possible but they shouldn’t have released him if he’d be able to sign for veteran’s minimum (or close). It creates the moral hazard where teams can get him for any price below 5mm, because he doesn’t care he’s getting paid that anyway.

  45. 45 DaO_Z said at 3:54 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    They poisoned pilled themselves, and over estimated the back up QB market….it was still a smart bet that he would get a better contract…

    Didn’t Delhomme do the same thing with the Browns had a 900K base salary because the Panthers were paying him 12 mill anyway…..

  46. 46 myartz04 said at 3:56 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    I think you are forgetting that we signed Chase to come and compete with Bradford for the starting job…Not to just be a backup which makes that a reasonable contract. But then Carson Wentz happened and no way was he going to be actually competing for the starting job thus making it a bad contract in hindsight.

  47. 47 Dave said at 5:04 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    lol, Chase was competing against Bradford the same way Sanchez competed against him. That whole competition bit was just put out there by the team to justify Chase’s inflated coaching/mentoring contract.

  48. 48 GermanEagle said at 5:23 PM on March 30th, 2017:


  49. 49 Dave said at 5:52 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    With that being said, I am happy to have Foles back as a backup. I think if Wentz went down Foles has a better chance to be successful.

    In fact, I really don’t care that Chase fleeced Lurie out of $12M. I would only be upset if he Nnamdi’d the team by taking a huge chunk of change and then laid an egg as a so-called superstar player. He did exactly what was asked of him when he signed.

  50. 50 Nick C said at 4:03 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    And Foles cap number next year is 7.6M. It’s like we don’t want to capitalize on carsons rookie deal.

  51. 51 Media Mike said at 8:37 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    That absolutely sucks. I agree with the folks stating below how well Howie has done on contracts, but this stings a bit.

  52. 52 daveH said at 9:12 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Think his call is that He WILL NEVER HAVE TO PLAY

  53. 53 Tdoteaglefan said at 4:41 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    “If you want to watch something exciting that takes place in Phoenix, watch the movie Sicario. You’ll only get half-way through in an hour, but it is a brilliant film and you’ll happily spend another hour to finish it. The film is incredibly intense and you can think of it as offseason practice for watching Eagles games that come down to the final possession.”

    *raises can of PBR* Cheers Tommy, this was one of my favorite films of the last few years..I’ve watched it 4 times

  54. 54 Sb2bowl said at 5:24 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Excellent movie- no matter where it is when it comes on, I watch it. Del Toro was perfectly cast for that performance.

  55. 55 GermanEagle said at 5:25 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Redbox. Amazon. iTunes.

  56. 56 Sb2bowl said at 9:02 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    It’s on Prime and Sling tv all the time, I love it

  57. 57 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:42 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    They making part 2 as well. Awesome movie!

  58. 58 Sb2bowl said at 9:07 PM on March 30th, 2017:


  59. 59 GENETiC-FREAK said at 1:58 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Yip thats what i read. Not sure if its a sequel or prequel

  60. 60 Dragon_Eagle said at 8:15 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    JimmyBama owns a car?

  61. 61 Media Mike said at 8:42 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Guys from up North need to be careful driving in Bama

  62. 62 Media Mike said at 8:39 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    The Big V situation is interesting. Is he trustworthy enough to slide into the RT spot once they decide to move on from Peters or should we be in the RT market? I wonder what they really think of Dillon Gordon as well.

  63. 63 GENETiC-FREAK said at 8:46 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Im interested to see how much Gordon has improved this year or if he can make some noise. Eagles must have thought alot of him for keeping him on the 53 instead of PS.

  64. 64 Media Mike said at 8:51 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Yup. I need to see a return on that investment.

  65. 65 D3FB said at 8:56 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    If all he ever becomes is a usable depth piece it’s a homerun.

  66. 66 D3FB said at 8:59 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    RT FA market next year is shit. It’s basically just Morgan Moses.

    Vaitai’s probably best as a high end swing tackle but he could become an average starting RT. If they decide to go with Vaitai they’ll at least add a mid round pick next year to challenge him.

  67. 67 Media Mike said at 8:51 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Look kids; a real life piece of human excrement.


  68. 68 Insomniac said at 9:28 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Maybe someone more talented at googling can find me an actual reason for Mixon’s suspension in high school and not just assumptions. Other than that there’s nothing new and the article seems just like click bait to me.

  69. 69 Media Mike said at 9:34 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Even if one thing is off, there is too much smoke around this guy. I can’t feel safe drafting him at the spot where he’s likely to go.

  70. 70 Insomniac said at 9:43 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    “Molitor’s lawyers told the detective that Mixon has a history of violence and was ejected from a high school game for punching another player and was suspended the next game.”

    Well I could only find this after 15 minutes of googling.

  71. 71 Rellihcs said at 5:32 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I disagree.
    With all due respect, we have all seen how you can go from zero to sixty (million) when it comes to opinions of players, and hold that forever.

  72. 72 Mac said at 12:55 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I had to keep reading to find out whether you were referring to Mixon, Mercedes Benz, or both.

  73. 73 Caveman_Bob said at 1:12 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I just re-watched the video of Mixon’s 2014 assault on the woman. It was much worse than I had remembered. There’s plenty to be said for second chances, especially for things that are done in the heat of the moment and regretted later, but I seriously hope we don’t draft him.

  74. 74 xmbk said at 5:47 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    You don’t have to go past last fall. With an NFL career just around the corner, he tore up a parking ticket, hit the lady in the face with it, and drove his car at her to make her move.

  75. 75 Crus57 said at 8:26 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Well, if worst comes to worst and we do draft him, at least we can justifiably boo him 24/7.

  76. 76 A_T_G said at 9:12 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Okay, I never heard of this guy. What can you tell me?

  77. 77 Media Mike said at 9:16 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    I think people starting talking him up after the senior bowl and/or combine.

  78. 78 Media Mike said at 9:19 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    I’m cherry picking the negatives, but he looks to be kind of stupid playing deep.

    “WEAKNESSES Leggy and gets feet bundled up when asked to turn and sprint. Lacks desired instincts and will play with slow eyes at times. Has to see ball in the air before charging over to help on deep throws. Inconsistent with coverage responsibilities from high safety. Takes time to diagnose play-action. Rub routes found him near goal line. Can take inefficient paths to the ball that get him there a step too late. Would benefit from high-pointing rather than waiting on throws.”

  79. 79 Media Mike said at 9:24 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    And that stuff seems to be contradicted by better coverage shown at the senior bowl from what I’m reading here.

    he’s 4th on their list.

  80. 80 A_T_G said at 9:44 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    So either a late bloomer that will benefit from pro coaching or a frustating bundle of athletic potential that will never come to fruition?

  81. 81 ChoTime said at 9:46 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    or maybe a shark in the water.

  82. 82 BlindChow said at 10:09 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    The latter if he’s drafted by us, the former if anyone else drafts him.

  83. 83 Ryan Rambo said at 1:00 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Sad but true. 🙁

  84. 84 Insomniac said at 9:38 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    Well his name is Obi if you didn’t know. I don’t think he plays at his tested times but I’m too dumb to know if he does.

  85. 85 PacificPurl said at 4:46 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Obi Wan knows to take the high ground. Or gain a strategic position against opposing wide outs. Or not.

  86. 86 D3FB said at 8:54 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Think George Illoka with freak athleticism.

  87. 87 ChoTime said at 9:45 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    At first I thought you were making a Nate Iloa reference.

  88. 88 衣皇后 said at 10:59 PM on March 30th, 2017:


  89. 89 BobSmith77 said at 2:09 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    There really wasn’t much of substance in anything that was said by Pederson or Lurie especially if you follow this team closely.