Chasing Nick

Posted: March 13th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 241 Comments »

Monday turned out to be a busy day for the Eagles.

Wow. Lots of stuff going on there. I love the addition of Foles. He had an amazing 2013 season, but that proved to be an anomaly. Foles isn’t a guy you want as your full time starter. That said, he can be a terrific backup. I think Foles is a major upgrade on Chase Daniel. If Wentz has to miss a game (or god forbid multiple games), Foles is a QB I’m comfortable with. You don’t want him out there for 16 games, but he has proven he can be an effective starter in the NFL.

Daniel wants to start. He wanted out of Philly so he could go pursue a chance to play. I get that. I also think he’s a bit delusional. Jalen Mills has his finger wags. Daniel has his desire to start. We don’t know how his release is going to help the Eagles financially.

Let’s hope some other team signs Daniel to a solid deal. That will free up some more cap room for the Eagles.

There is no question the Eagles are tight against the cap and this is going to be a challenging offseason because of that. At the same time, the Eagles are outstanding when it comes to the cap and contracts so I trust them to work through this.

The key thing to remember is this…every weakness, hole or issue isn’t getting settled this offseason. And that’s okay. The Eagles are building something. That takes time. They have the franchise QB. The other stuff can be worked on.

Let’s go back to Foles for a second. Doug Pederson was his QB coach when Foles got drafted. Pederson worked him out prior to that draft and really liked him. Beyond that, everyone in the organization loved Foles during his time in Philly. He was a terrific teammate. The Eagles wanted to keep him, but Chip Kelly needed Foles to make the Sam Bradford trade work.

The Eagles come out of that with Wentz, Foles, a 1st round pick and Bradford as a distant memory. That worked pretty well.

Foles struggled with the Rams, but that is a dysfunctional offense. No QB seems to play well there. Foles needs a good OL to be effective. He didn’t have that in St. Louis, but will in Philly. I think he’ll also benefit from having good offensive coaches. The Rams staff was just not good.

*****

The Eagles had a visit lined up with CB Kayvon Webster, but he signed with the Rams on Monday night. He would have been an interesting veteran corner to add to the mix.

The Eagles will continue trying to find a veteran to help there. I wrote a bit about what’s left in FA for PE.com.

*****

We thought this might happen.

Good luck to him in KC. Wasn’t a great player, but was darn good and a terrific person from everything I’ve heard.

*****

The Eagles love speedy WRs. Torrey Smith is fast, but Ross is on a whole other level. The Eagles will seriously consider him at 14.

If he is still on the board at 14.

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  • truehaynes

    Would we take John Ross at 14? I don’t see Torrey Smith sticking around and j matt is a jag

    • RC5000

      Matthews is not just a guy. That’s absurd. At first I thought you meant he was going to be traded to the Jags.

      • truehaynes

        I’m sorry I just don’t agree. He doesn’t really do anything well. Hands are fine, but hes prone to big drops. Rarely makes plus catches. Timed speed doesn’t translate to the field. Only thing he has going for him really is his size which he only seems to use as a runner. Hes certainly not worth bringing back at anything close to 10 mil a year. Yeah he’s had good stats but thatsaonly because of volume. Also it really seems he onyl ever really gets open on crossers. He had the one fade against the browns. I don’t remember ever seeing him open up his route tree, or really beat a good corner off the ball. Look at his highlights, he doesn’t do anything on a high level

        • truehaynes

          I’ve wanted to like him since he was drafted. Thought he would do big things. Now I’m hoping we trade him before he walks for nothing

          • truehaynes

            He honestly looked a lot better his rookie and sophomore years which is weird. I think if you switched him out for Ross Davis or Williams our offense would be better this year

        • Stephen E.

          “JAG” is someone who catches 30 balls for 400 yards and 1 TD… not Jordan Matthews.

      • truehaynes

        Jag is the wrong word but hes not worth keeping around for the long haul

        • ChoTime

          Just barely above JAG, but not much IMO.

    • jordan is one the best slot Wrs in the game. he will only be better with alshon and a deep threat around

      • PacificPurl

        Besides being an excellent teammate and outscoring DJax during his rookie year, people who actually make their living in football have noted that the slot receiver is often one of the smartest players on the team. Sorry for the poor sentence structure. 😉

    • Anders

      Ross injury history scares the shit out of me.

      Ross makes Michael Vick and McNabb seems like healthy players. He even give Ryan Mathews a run for his money

      • Insomniac

        He has average hands too.

      • Ankerstjernen

        Yup. Too risky at #14. Much rather have a big physical receiver. that 4.22 is not as great of an asset when you are facing 2nd and goal. Desean taught us all that.

      • Media Mike

        This x 1000000000

        I’m tired of guys, and draft picks specifically in this town, laying down on the job and not playing.

        • CrackSammich

          I’m guessing you work an office job?

          • Media Mike

            I’m guessing either

            a) Once again you take a topical statement I make and choose to make it personal because you’re a complete piece of human excrement.

            b) you really don’t care to ever see a player you’re excited your team drafted actually play.

            In either case your personal attack replies to my topical statements are quite a unique form of douchebaggery.

          • CrackSammich

            Just a common thing around here for folks that have never played a contact sport, and certainly not as their sole form of income, to make judgment statements about a person’s work ethic when they literally can’t perform their job due to injury. I’m excited to see players play, but I’m also empathetic to the fact that everyone except Danny Watkins has been dreaming of playing in the NFL their entire lives and want to be out there more than you want them to be out there. But still, you’ll have Mr. first time long time caller on WIP and internet tough guys on every forum calling them accusing them of “laying down on the job” from their cushy office chair at the job that won’t be taken away from them if they twist an ankle getting out of their car tomorrow.

            And hey, like the last time I called you out on something, maybe you aren’t the person I’m raging against. You sure do sound like him, though.

      • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

        Let’s not exaggerate, here.

        Ryan Mathews had far fewer injury concerns coming out of college than Ross does.

  • Mac

    There is an alternate universe where Al Davis is still alive and trades his entire 2017 draft to select John Ross with the Brown’s #1 pick.

  • very happy to have foles back. if carson was to get hurt i still will have a certain level of confidence we will win.

    bears are dumb as rocks for spending money on glennon and not signing foles.

    • Media Mike

      Not as dumb as the Bills for keeping Tyrod Taylor, but certainly dumb.

      • nah tyrod is better than glennon. could be better than foles

  • bubqr

    Seeing Bennie Logan signing with the Chiefs and Chase Daniels costing 7M against the cap makes me sad. Had we not signed this ridiculous deal last year, we could have kept Logan easily with that money.

    • Anders

      At this point last year, we had Sam Bradford and nothing else (Sanchez does not count)

      • kajomo

        Shhhh. Facts don’t matter.

        Real GMs have crystal balls. Howie doesn’t that’s why he sucks.

        When Chase was signed who knew we would even have a shot at Wentz. Bradford had a crazy injury history and needed competition. Additionally we were installing a new offense, which Chase just happened to play in. The move made sense at the time.

        I give Howie credit for re-assessing the situation, improving the QB position, and freeing up future cap space now. Many GMs would let their ego get in the way of making such a move.

        Also ask yourself this question. Are we more likely to win a game with Bennie/Chase or Beau/Foles? Bennie is not that hard to replace. Good, quality back up QBs are difficult to come by.

  • Flyineagle45

    J Matt can kick rocks I can’t wait until we did ourselves of our while old wr situation. Every game that AG’s has 2+ drops he should donate that game check to charity.

    • Media Mike

      I like Matthews a lot, but the fact that he simply cannot play anywhere other than slot is really limiting. I’d rather see him flipped for a 4th rounder (that can become a 3rd by hitting some benchmarks) than lose him for nothing to another team as a 2018 FA.

  • Insomniac

    I think Ross is just here for more probing on his medical. I don’t see us taking him at 14 unless Doug’s new offense will be vertical passing.

  • Ankerstjernen

    With the way these corners seem to shake out – lots of 1st and 2nd round talents, maybe not a lot of clarity who is actually going to be better – would this be a kind of draft where the top ten on our board is gone at #14 and we simply try and trade back into the mid 20’ies and just pick whatever CB is there that we might have picked at 14 anyway? Adding a late 2nd in this draft would be huge, and you might end up not really missing out on much moving back ten spots in the first if you are still going to pick up a cb there.

    • Media Mike

      I can’t endorse a trade back in round 1 this year after reading that Kempski article about 19/20 being the Rubicon that we can’t cross.

      • Ankerstjernen

        Yea. That was an interesting one. But you have to assume that the breaking point is different for every draft class. Hm.

        • Media Mike

          Yeah, I just have nightmares still of New Orleans jumping us to steal Cooks the year we got stuck with Marcus Smith.

      • kajomo

        I think the depth in CB and DE plays into a trade back. There isn’t much separating Gareon conley, Kevin kibg, Fabian Moreau, Teez Tanbor, and Tre’Davious White. If you love one get him, but if they all have similar grades add an extra pick and take the best of what is left.

        • Media Mike

          I really wish the league forced each team to have a league monitor in their respective draft rooms and made them release their grades on each player a week or so after the draft was over so we could really dive into evaluating how appropriate it was to do what you’re proposing or take a guy by staying put.

        • meteorologist

          Need someone willing to trade up…

        • James Skip Carl

          Adoree Jackson

          • Media Mike

            Didn’t I see him getting abused by Ross and Godwin this year?

    • meteorologist

      Get an elite talent at 14. Not just looking for corners here. If there is no elite talent left.. who would want to trade up anyway? Takes 2 to tango

      • kajomo

        It could be WB, RB, or S that a team covets. Just because there is a player not at the top of our board doesn’t mean another team doesn’t see it differently. Scheme has a huge impact on each team’s draft board.

      • Ankerstjernen

        True. But teams have different priorities and draft boards. Last year we were the team movign up to draft a QB that our trade partner didnt think was worth it. Happens all the time. Maybe someone wants to move up to 14 to draft Ross who they think is a real game breaker, and we can add a second round pick by moving back a little. Titans at 18, lions at 21 could be very interesting in that scenario. Chiefs at 27 is sneaky, so is Green Bay at 29. If Oakland falls in love with a CB that we are not super high on, they sit at 24. And at that spot, could we be looking at the same player anyway, like Humphreys, adoree Jacksopn, keving King, or the deep Dl or DT 1st rounders or some other talent that is being pushed down like OJ Howard, Ramzcyk, etc. I just get the feel that maybe you want to pick top 12, or you might get the same player at 24 as you do at 14.

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  • Media Mike

    Players we can trade; Kendricks, Kelce, J Matthews, Agholor, Barbre.
    Players we still need to cut; R Mathews

    So we can go player for player trade (i.e. the Fuller flip) or player for draft pick to free up some cap.

    I’m a little stung by not getting Webster. I though we were going to get a solid starting QB for a very low cash investment.

    • Ankerstjernen

      What do you imagine we can get for Agholor? If you cant trade Barwin…

      • eagleyankfan

        Kicking tee?

        • myartz04

          No way.

        • Ankerstjernen

          Sure. I’d prefer a veteran at that position anyway. You know, one with both feet solid on the ground.

      • Media Mike

        Draft bust for draft bust trade. A few of the writers (or maybe it was Greg Richards) were tweeting that Kendricks to Chicago wouldn’t work for Fuller because of Chicago’s current ILBs so Agholor would be cheaper than Fuller and give Chicago more time to figure out some things.

        • Ankerstjernen

          I actually really liked fuller in his rookie year. Remember being angry with my friend who is a Bears fan because they got him ahead of us. He flashed. Wonder what has been holding him back. I wouldn’t mind getting him on the cheap at all. He can be our version of Eric Rowe. Except, wait… Aw, now I made myself sad.

          • Sb2bowl

            I really liked that one Td pass that Nelson caught, maybe we can just show the Bears a loop of that one play and hope they don’t notice?

      • P_P_K

        Too bad Chip isn’t still in the NFL or we could get a couple Pro-Bowl vets and first round picks.

  • Media Mike

    Round 1 Pick 14: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 16 (MINN): Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 11 (BUF): Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (B-)
    Round 3 Pick 22 (MINN): Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Jordan Morgan, OG, Kutztown (A)
    Round 5 Pick 11: ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama (B-)
    Round 5 Pick 12 (BUF): Dan Skipper, OT, Arkansas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (B)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Javancy Jones, OLB, Jackson State (B)

    Corner is really starting to give me ulcers because I’m not quite sure who we can add that will be lockdown at 14 or good enough later on.

    • eagleyankfan

      I really don’t read what you list(nothing personal) however I’m willing to bet that Eagles draft more defensive players than offensive ones…and I have absolutely 0 evidence to back that up.

      • Media Mike

        No worries on that, the draft simulators are understandably not for everybody.

        And you very well could be correct on the O v. D mix. Drafting D heavy wouldn’t shock me at all.

    • Sb2bowl

      Sometimes that’s how these boards go- thank God they aren’t for keeps. We probably need to bring in 3-4 new secondary assets in and after the draft. But we also need youth along the line, despite the gluttony of assets currently on the roster.

      I love the Davis pick. Personally, I think he’s going to be a legit #1 in the nfl within a few years.

    • Jernst

      Yes please!

  • Dominik

    Not blaming anybody, in particular at least, but those are the kind of guys you can’t sign when you’re in cap trouble.

    https://twitter.com/DanGrazianoESPN/status/841505357511901184

    Huge bargain for the Falcons. Elite STer and solid #3/4 WR. Could have really used someone like that. And yeah, the Falcons were in the Super Bowl, but they have 3 good WR in Jones, Sanu and Gabriel (one would assume they sign Gabriel long term, the other two are already signed long term). One would have to imagine him being interested to come to us for about the same money, with a better outlook for playing time.

    Tommy mentioned him. We don’t know the money yet, but he would have been someone to take a chance on:

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/841485509268496385

    Also an elite STer.

    I really hope they restructured Daniels contract before they cut him. Would be a pretty bad move if not. Daniel and his new team have no interest at all to give the Eagles cap space back. They could find a way (minimum base salary, good signing bonus, f.e.) to give Daniel money and let the Eagles cap pay for it.

    We improved our back-up QB, yes, but there has to come out more for us financially than 1m cap space with 7m dead money. I like having Foles back, but you shouldn’t pay a fortune on an already tight cap for this improvement. Daniels release should pay for that (and then some).

    • scratcherk

      I think if we wanted those players, we could have found a way to make it happen

    • eagleyankfan

      Eagles were ranked #1 in special teams. Not sure why you’re stressing “elite STer”. He has 14 and 11 catches the last 2 years(for whatever reason). He wouldn’t start over the Eagles top 3. I’d rather Eagles look to the draft to find a WR for the roster.

      • Dominik

        See my reply to myself, I mixed up Andre Roberts and Andre Holmes.

        But in general, an elite STer at the WR position would help us. DGB und Agholor sure must learn how to play ST, because they have to play there. But you’re not automatically good at ST just because you have to play it.

        Jeffery won’t play Teams at all (I assume), I don’t know about Smith and Matthews. Back-up WR normally have to play ST. Holmes would be elite at it + a nice #3/4 WR.

        But like I said, I mixed up Roberts with Holmes, no idea why.

    • Rellihcs

      Those signings are what matters for serious contenders. We are building a team around Carson. It’s not something we are missing out on. If we have great success this year – great. But we are building for when Eli actually retires, for when Brady retires…etc… The differences about “putting us over the top for peak performance in the short term” are really not necessary and shouldn’t be the focus at this time anyway.

    • anon

      Agents probably won’t let anyone talk to us b/c we have no cap.

    • Mac

      Marcus Cooper (another lower tier but potential starter) signed with the Bears.

      Looks like we’re going into the draft with “glaring hole” as the starting CB.

      • Media Mike

        Don’t discount swinging a trade for one or two.

        • Mac

          With any other GM, I don’t know that I would buy it. But Howie seems to have a way of making trades work. It shouldn’t be impossible to find a team that needs a Center or LB that has a third decent outside CB.

    • Dominik

      Sorry guys, I made a mistake. I mixed up Andre Roberts with Andre Holmes. I actually have no idea if Roberts can play. I just know that 1.5m would be a bargain for Holmes. My bad!

      • Media Mike

        At least it wasn’t Andre Rison.

        • A Roy

          Doubt we’d get much out of Andre Waters, either, at this point.

      • Tumtum

        I don’t mind him. He is an ok player.

  • eagleyankfan

    Would this mean, they gave him all that money to sign and also told him that he’ll have a chance to battle for starting QB? Then Wentz happened. I thought Chase was a ‘good ol’ boy’ for Pederson as the reason for that overpayment. Now it sounds like a different story…

    • A_T_G

      Maybe. Or maybe it was what they said at the time, but watching Osweilier and Glennon and Hoyer made Chase think, “Why not me?”

      • Ark87

        hell, watching Osweilier made me say that

    • Dave

      Chase was given the same chance to compete with Sam as Sanchez was given. When practices opened, the apparent difference in arm talent was clearly evident with both.

      The main reason Sam was traded was because Wentz was completely blowing away his teammates/coaches with his impressive arm, as well as his leadership and knowledge of the playbook.

      I admire Chase’s confidence, but he doesn’t seem grounded in reality.

      • anon

        i also saw him play in preseason, and when wentz went out w/ a concussion

  • ian_no_2

    Michael Vick 2009, 93.9 QB rating, James Urban, QB coach
    Michael Vick 2010, 100.2 QB rating, James Urban, QB coach
    Michael Vick 2011, 84.9 QB rating, Doug Pederson, QB coach
    Michael Vick 2012, 78.1 QB rating, Doug Pederson, QB coach
    Nick Foles 2012, 79.1 QB rating, Doug Pederson, QB coach
    NIck Foles 2013, 119.2 QB rating, Bill Lazor, QB coach

    • CrackSammich

      fun with small sample sizes.

      Nick Foles 2014, 81.4 QB rating, Bill Musgrave QB coach
      Nick Foles 2015, 69.0 QB rating, Chris Weinke QB coach
      Nick Foles 2016, 105.9 QB rating, Matt Nagy, Corey Matthaei QB coaches

      Foles had a bad year when the team had already given up on Andy, and then a magical season when nobody knew how to defend Chip yet. He’s been garbage to mediocre everywhere else except for one game started in KC

      Michael Vick 2014, NYJ, 68.3 QB rating,
      Michael Vick 2015, PIT, 79.8 QB rating, (im not looking up these coaches…)

      Vick didn’t suck because of Dougie as the QB coach. His wheels had fallen off. His stats show that gradual decline

    • Nailed It!

      Pssst Doug isn’t his QB coach.

      • Rellihcs

        Pssst – good point, as head coach, he’s going to really struggle if he want’s access to communicate with the starting QB.

        Oh well.

  • GordonGekko

    YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDED LOSERS!

    • aron

      your mom is hogzilla

      • A Roy

        It sure looks funny to see you saying that when all I see in the previous comment is “This user is blocked.” Recommend you block him as many of us have already done.

        • Mac

          It’s the modern day version of being a Ghost Writer.

          • aron

            I am a god on this board, you people are stupid, but I aint gordongekko

          • A Roy

            And……you’re now blocked, too. Blockhead.

        • Ark87

          But now I’m curious, I wonder what he is saying to himself. Is it a firm and well thought rebuttal? What if?

        • RobNE

          I actually have both of them blocked already.

          • Ark87

            oh it’s 2 different people I blocked interacting?? Now I really am having regrets

          • aron

            cause you’re a fag

        • Jernst

          Haha was thinking the exact same thing

        • A Roy

          You guys are too funny…although I admit that I’ve considered blocking anon, he does provide some value to my reading the site. Gecko provides nothing but agita.

          • Mac

            Anon =/= Aron although the screen names are eerily similar. Details matter! Haha

          • Tumtum

            Wait one of those in anon… I don’t ever recall blocking him…

          • CrackSammich

            Nope. it’s ARON not ANON. 90% sure that’s intentional.

          • A Roy

            Oh shit….maybe I was thinking about blocking anon because I misread aron. It’s tough when there’s no avatar and the spelling is almost exact.

          • ChoTime

            Yeah, anon is pretty cool AFAIK

          • Tumtum

            Oh yes, 100% blocked that guy

        • Rellihcs

          Ha, I have both blocked so it’s a double – could be same poster for all I know.

          • Tumtum

            I also have both blocked lol.

          • Rellihcs

            Yeah, we’re the smart ones. I posted that before reading down, and wasn’t shocked to find other generally fellow-minded folks who did the same.

          • ChoTime

            Me too! A delicious mystery as to who he’s talking about that I’m fine not being solved.

  • Mitchell

    Personally I’m worried about the CB situation but I think we all have to keep in mind this is a multi-year process and the #1 most important thing is helping Carson thrive. I think the Eagles are doing everything they can to do that! CB heavy draft should equal some young CB’s with whole will gain a TON of experience by starting this year. On top of that I’m pretty sure both Grymes and Smith showed us they can at least play in the league, although it was pre-season.

    • Rellihcs

      Yeah. And I say draft heavily there – stack the deck. Deep at CB? Draft 3 or 4. or 5.

    • Media Mike

      True enough. We all knew they weren’t going to be able to solve every position issue all at once.

    • Tumtum

      I feel like we get at least one starter from the street who isn’t on the team yet. I expect nothing different than we got from any other FA signing recently.

      • eagleyankfan

        Is there a starter on the street — that can fit within the cap?

        • Sb2bowl

          Yes, I can do it. And I’ve never run fast so my hamstrings are fresh.

          • A_T_G

            Look at that, options everywhere.

        • A_T_G

          What is the remaining cap? I might be able to free up my calendar.

        • Tumtum

          The guy they get may not be considered a starter right now..

    • Insomniac

      Still need a WR just in case Torrey Smith sucks.

      • eagleyankfan

        and in case AJ doesn’t resign….

        • A Roy

          Two different skillsets…both correct, though.

          • eagleyankfan

            might need 2 wr’s 🙂

          • A Roy

            I have to think we’re drafting (probably) one this year and one next. If Ross could sty healthy, I’d be interested, but too many red flags.

    • meteorologist

      See what happened to Green Bay’s young DBs. They got a ton of experience their first couple years. Doesn’t seem to have helped much

  • Tumtum

    Nah Bennie wasn’t great, but he really really worked out for a 3rd round pick. If I recall he was a pick that Tommy wasn’t very thrilled with 🙂

    • Mitchell

      Not sure anybody was.

      • Tumtum

        I recall that sentiment for sure.

    • Anders

      Tommy liked it just never thought they wood draft him because of his height

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Is bennie the best player Howie ever drafted who Howie Couldnt keep past his rookie contract?

      • Tumtum

        Probably. Also probably says more about how we draft.

  • aron

    I am your mama

  • BobSmith77

    Not remotely expecting Roseman to fill in all of the holes in a single offseason. Still a costly mistake though for a team that doesn’t have much cap room left and has no starting options at CB.

    • anon

      the QB situation is silly – i think some more players will get cut or moved, based on the chase situation i don’t think they have any trade partners for kendricks or kelce

  • DrGeniusPhD

    I think Howie let Doug Pederson have Chase Daniel so he could always bring it up in the future if Pederson gets any big ideas about calling the shots on personnel.

  • Anders

    Logan at 8 mill is too much for me. I wonder what poe and hankins is asking for

    • GermanEagle

      Agreed.

      I hope we could get Hankins for 6-7/year?!

    • A_T_G

      Yep. Good for Bennie, though.

      • Media Mike

        Agree completely. I’m glad he got paid, but I think that number is a tad out of line for what we need to pay in tandem with what Fletcher Cox is making.

  • GermanEagle

    Have we traded for Kyle Fuller yet?!

    Most boring off-season day ever…

    • Sb2bowl

      I’m blaming the blizzard

      • GermanEagle

        What blizzard?!

        It’s mostly hail and icy rain here in NYC. Not complaining about the early closing time at 2pm though…

        • Sb2bowl

          I’m near Scranton- we have over 2 feet of snow currently

          • GermanEagle

            Blimey!

        • Gian GEAGLE

          We got a good 6 inches in westchester

    • Mitchell

      If/when that happens I cant really imagine the FA period getting much better. Truly an amazing feat.

  • Mitchell

    How would everyone feel about Cook in the first and Kupp in the second? Saw it in a mock and felt really bad about it.

    • Rellihcs

      Boo and Boo

    • Howie Littlefinger

      This had to be a pre combine mock hopefully

    • Media Mike

      Horrible x 2.

      Cook is a piece of human filth who is a 3x Crimanole loser who really should be in jail.

      Kupp is Jason Avant with some internet fans.

      • GermanEagle

        Kupp is Jason Avant with some internet fans.

        Awesome line there, mate! LOL!!!

        • Media Mike

          Thanks. He just strikes me as a complete at total WR 3/4 type dude. I’m not impressed.

          • GermanEagle

            Internet fans! LMFAO

      • Gian GEAGLE

        if Cook transgressions were on video like Joe Mixons, Cook might not get drafted

    • Insomniac

      I would be disgusted and would start to highly doubt Joe Douglas.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Think Lurie would veto that

    • Gian GEAGLE

      You do realize that Dalvin Cooks behavior problems make Joe Mixon look like a girl scout?
      .
      Highly unlikely that Lurie allows the Eagles to spend the #14 pick on a player who is a walking red flag.
      ..
      Like the player, but I doubt we are ok drafting the person

      • Media Mike

        There seems to be an entire gang toilet (my favorite facilities terms) full of a-holes in this year’s draft.

        • Gian GEAGLE

          Yes sir…. And Im ok taking fliers on kids who made a mistake, maybe two later in the draft, but the Eagles ARENT spending the #14 pick on a walking red flag

      • Mitchell

        Yeh, realize it. You should be asking cbs or nfl.com or whoever made the mock that question.

        • Gian GEAGLE

          Crazy that because There is a video of Mixon hitting a girl, he gets killed in the media while every media dope still has Cook going top 20 and his history is worse than Mixons,
          ..
          I have to assume that the red flags haven’t been factored into Mock drafts yet when it comes to Dalvin, although all it takes is one GM to overlook his heinous behavior or being blinded by his talent… Blows my mind that as recently as last week I heard some think Cook might Leap frog Fournette and be the 1st RB taken which sounds IMSANE to me considering how long his rap sheet is including everything from beating woman, mis treating dogs, burglary, assaults and everything in between

          • Ankerstjernen

            its insane mostly because he is not a complete 3 down RB. He runs away from contact. Doesnt contribute in the passing game. Some poor team will draft him way too early. My money is on the browns…

    • Mac

      Don’t you blaspheme in here.

  • Media Mike

    Draft Tek can S a massive D

    They have us taking
    1-14 Taco-christ (or however you spell his name) McKinley (who even knows when he’ll be back on the field!)
    2-43 Evan Engram (with ZAY JONES on the board still!!!!)
    3-74 Tre’Davious White
    4-119 A’Darius Stewart
    4-139 Ryan Glasgow (Don’t we already have Beau Allen????)
    5-155 Brian Hill
    6-194 Justin Thomas (CB Georgia Tech)
    7 -230 Stevie Tuikolovatu (DT USC)

    This would be a throw objects at the TV type draft; especially with the first two picks.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      “Taco”?? we can draft our very own “Bad Hombre”?

      • Media Mike

        Taco is the Michigan guy, TacoChrist it the UCLA guy. Odd year for names.

        • Gian GEAGLE

          Curious to see the order in how RB come off the board once draft boards are set amd adjusted including red flag behavioral problems
          ..
          Could we see McCaffrey drafted ahead of Cook? Will Cook fall out of round 1 like Mixon?

          • Media Mike

            The order RBs go in this draft is going to be crazy.

        • Gian GEAGLE

          Raekwon McMillan is the player I would draft simply because of his name

          • Media Mike

            Amazing talent the ice cream song is an all time classic. Watch these rap “peoples” get all up in your guts……

            https://i.ytimg.com/vi/io4l1K7t–o/hqdefault.jpg

          • Gian GEAGLE

            Be great to hear the “Ice Cream” music at the Linc every time Raekwon makes a big play… “Ice Cream Man is Coming”(in my best Method Mad voice)

          • Media Mike

            I wish I knew more of Raekwon’s solo catalog.

          • Tdoteaglefan

            Yup! be even cooler if we’d draft the DT Nazair jones and play “it ain’t hard to tell” or “hate me now” every time he makes a sack.
            Shoot lets go ahead and draft Eddie Vanerdooes later on…(sounds close enough to Eddie Vedder) and have a 90’s music revival every time our D takes the field

          • Media Mike

            IN KELLY GREEN UNIFORMS!

          • Sb2bowl

            Release would be a great song for them to run out onto the field to

          • Sean Stott

            I always pegged you as something of an older curmudgeon (not in a bad way that was just your archetype).

            This pick has me rethinking that.

            side note, I love Raekwon and that era Hip-Hop

          • Media Mike

            I’m 40 going on 94 and 14 all at the same time.

          • Gian GEAGLE

            Lol @ “people’s” cough cough N-Bomb cough cough 🙂

        • RC5000

          He goes by Takk. Takk is a tough kid. I think he played with a torn labrum for a season +. He said it was injured in a 2015 game. . Plays like Trent Cole with some quickness. He needs to put on 10-12 lbs. Like him a lot but I don’t know if I’d want him at 14.

          • Media Mike

            I’d be into him for rd 2. I agree with 14 being too rich for him.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    hoping for a heavy defensive draft, draft all defenders and maybe a RB
    .
    Order or NEEDS:
    1) CB, maybe two CBs
    2) DT
    3) DE
    4) Rb
    5) LB
    ..
    Ideally one of those defensive positions will be addressed in round 1 but I hope we go strict BPA at #14

    • Media Mike

      We’re really only “good” at QB and S. Other than that; every position needs an upgrade.

      • kajomo

        Even safety needs depth. John Johnson, Marcus Williams, and a few others should be mid round targets. It’s insurance against injury, age, and allows us to be more creative on the back end.

        • Media Mike

          I agree. Do you like any safety enough to take at 14 however?

          • kajomo

            Malik Hooker is special, but I’d probably look to trade back if that was the case.

            There is some real depth at S. We can get someone in the middle rounds that can start in 2-3 years. John Johnson is a guy I’m really high on.

      • Fufina

        We have a lot of bodies in the interior OL, most of which are on cheap or long term contracts. Brooks, Seumalo, Wisniewski are here for at least 2 years more, Barbre is decent and cheap. Kelce may be traded between now and the draft but otherwise is probably starting at C this year. Add in Warmack and that is 6 players who would have a great chance to make it through camp with their contracts, 3 of which can play center, and 5 of who can play G.

        Which means unless you take an OL early anyone taken 5th and later is going to struggle to make the roster, and as you said there are lots of needs.

        Tackle has a similar issue, this class isn’t good for tackles early, and we have 2 good starters (Peters and Johnson) and Vaitai as depth. Add in Barbre and some younger tackle options not sure we will see OL be addressed much with the team investing twice in the free agent OL market.

        • Media Mike

          yeah yeah yeah, but we’re using Kelce and Barbre to help one of my unrealistic draft trade scenarios that nets us future HOF level players.

          • Gian GEAGLE

            If I had my pick between the two I would rather trade Kelce because he lacks versatility that Barbe provides

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Absolutely especially when talking about the #14 pick, I especially think any position except QB and S are in play.
        ..
        But we have a lot of positions that are deep in young talent, that we still need to evaluate their growth rate before really knowing what we have, can’t really know what you need until you really know what we have. Big picture I think we need more talent everywhere, but I expect to see us go heavy in defense this draft, further evaluate growth rate of young talent and get back to drafting offensive playërs next year. I’d ne surprised if the Eagles draft more than two offensive players unless we acquire more picks
        ..
        There are a lot of young players we think suck as fans, but who I think the Eagles aren’t ready to give up developing them. We like to think we know a kid can’t play if he sucks as a rookie or Sophmore, but there is such a rich history of BALLERS who it didn’t begin to click for until years 3 or 4.
        .
        Torrey and Alshon allow us to further evaluate the growth of Nelson, DGB and Jordan without putting Wentz in a position where he has to count on guys like Nelson and DGB. The ONLY type of WR that makes sense to me spending a pck on this year is a Tiny burner like Ross simply because we really don’t have that type of Player in our WR room (DONT think much of Treggs). Thinking Jordan, DGB and Nelson will get one more year to show how much they can improve before Eagles think of moving on from them
        ..
        With Jason Peters, Lane and Barbie Doll, we are in great position where we can evaluate the growth of Vaitai before deciding if we have to invest in a starting RT next year, and we have plenty of young talent on our bench, never know when a young Lineman is ready to make drastic leaps in developmemt
        ..
        we might have to invest a pick in a RB this year, but my expectation is That we won’t see the Eagles invest many more assets in our offense this year. Thinking we see a draft heavy on defense and get back to building the offense next year
        ..
        But Ultimately as long as the Eagles spend draft picks on kids that can play, I really don’t care what position they happen to play because it will take at least two quality offseasons to get this roster where we need it to be

  • P_P_K

    I think the acquisition of young Nick is perfect for him and for the Eagles. Being a backup is just right for a qb with his skill sets. He’s bright, apparently a great teammate, and able to fill in during an injury.

    • Media Mike

      And there are a few people (not me however) who can break out their Foles stuff again.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        I hope we can keep FOles here Longterm past the two year deal, once we become a Perrenial playoff team Id love to have a capable Backup like Nick as insurance in case we ever need a QB to keep us afloat during a playoff team while we wait for Carson to get back healthy.
        ..
        Love to see FOles here for the next 5 years mastering this offense, I think he can be that Jeff Garcia backüp to win enough games keeping us in the mix if we are ever in a position where Wentz has to miss a couple weeks. A solid backup is the difference between staying afloat or wasting an entire year if a playoff team loses its starting QB. I Hope to Have FOles as our backüp once we are good enough to make the playoffs every year

    • ChoTime

      Nick can step in and win a game for you. Not every backup has that ability.

      • ColorSgt

        Yeah I like his odds better than Chase.

        • Mac

          And that other butt fumbling guy.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Be fascinating to be able to see in an alternate Universe to see what the Eagles would look like today from a personnel and salary Cap standpoint had we never handed the keys to our front office to a Novice (chip kelly) for that 1 offseason

    • kajomo

      I’m ok with how things have played out. I think the time away has been a real positive for Howie. Howie 2.0 seems to have left his ego at the door, surrounded himself with talented people, and has a real plan in place. Sometimes you need to take a step back to take 2-3 steps forward.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        I don’t disagree, just thinking that this seems like one of the tightest times I can remember in terms of our Cap space under Roseman, and I wonder how much of that is effected by that one offseason when Chip was in charge? Or if we would be in a similar cap positipn as we are today even if Chip hasnt seized control of the front office for that one offseason.
        ..
        Not a big deal tho, I like the position HOWIE has us in today moving forward

        • ChoTime

          Hard to even think about the cap ramifications, because the player decisions would have been so different. Totally different team most likely.

        • Ankerstjernen

          Its always expensive to change coaches and defensive systems. You need to get more players in FA than you normally would in a short timespan just to man all positions and make the transition. And we just did it twice in a short time. If Doug stays, we will be fine down the road.

    • jaws80

      i hate what Chip did to the team as GM, but even with the guys he let go, the Eagles were not likely to win a superbowl. And Wentz would not be an Eagle now. We would have getting close to too old McCoy and Jackson likely still, with who knows what at QB. Maybe Foles would have started a year or two more if he stayed an Eagle before crashing to the level where he becomes a backup. QB would be, probably Bradford, in some trade last year from whatever team he went to after the Rams wanted nothing more of him.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Went back and watched some of Torrey Smiths highlights from his time in San fran, and while you can only get limited info from highlights, the one thing that jumped out at me is I don’t think I seen a single play where a defender caught Torrey from behind. I don’t know if he lost a step or not, but I couldn’t find any DBs who caught him from behind once Torrey Got in open space.
    ..
    As long as Torrey still has enough speed to constanly command the respect of the defense, he will be a valuable addition creating more room for our other weapons to work with

    • Patrick

      Similarly, I watched condensed offensive footage of like 4 games and it was all it took to drive me insane with their QBs.

      Listen, I won’t argue that Smiths stats in San Fran aren’t awful, they are, but god dammit if Blaine Gabbert didn’t underthrow him when he burned CBs or Kaep didnt just straight up ignore him when he was just wide open around 10 times a game, those thats could look mighty different.

      Infuriating, i’m talking RUN THE BALL ANDY! levels of anger.

    • Sean Stott

      When he was a Raven I always liked him, he plays fast. That was a long time ago though.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Like Samson, he lost his powers when he cut his dreads off

        • ACViking

          Samson didn’t cut his hair off.

          Delilah did . . . that’s a key point of the story

          • jshort

            Could be G’s a snowflake and the Delilah part offends him.

          • Bert’s Bells

            Yup, ancient tribal misogyny in full force.

          • Donald Kalinowski

            To be fair he made up lies about the secret to get rid of his strength and Delilah acted out on those secrets. After the first time he should have know that bitch was crazy. But it continued on until he finally told her the truth. I wonder how good that pussy was. I honestly don’t get what the purpose of that store was.

          • ACViking

            The story of Samson begins with an angel telling his barren mother that she’ll bear an incredibly strong child who’ll save the Hebrews from their enemies — but his hair must never be cut.

            Marrying Delilah — his wife from the Philistine tribe — to learn his secret, at the price of Delilah’s barely veiled sexual favors, represents three failures by Samson:

            The weakening of his intellect, his physical power, and arguably most important, his religious conviction — including his charge to save the Hebrews.

            And when Delilah to cut his hear, it represented the rending of Samson’s connection to God — and with it, his strength, intellect, and commitment.

            So what’s the message?

            At one level, it’s a story that supports the Rabbinic view that Jews should not marry outside their tribe. (The Book of Ezra Chpt 10 likewise supports that interpretation more explicitly than the marriages of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob — each to women of their extended tribe.)

            And at more general level, the story advises to follow God’s law in good faith.

            That’s my take, anyway.

          • Sb2bowl

            Spot on ACV.

          • PacificPurl

            And yet Moses took a Midianite wife, Zipporah and later a Cushite, probably black, woman as wife. When his sister was critical SHE was afflicted with leprosy. Ruth, also non-Hebrew, became the great grandmother of David. Then there’s Rahab, being prostituted by her father and brothers. She chose to believe in the God of Israel and not only saved her family but ended up married into the faith. At any rate there seem to be exceptions to the rules.

          • P_P_K

            Don’t cut your hair? I was a freshman in high school when a senior guy told me to never get an ear pierced because, if done incorrectly, it can cause impotence. Urban legend? Likely, but I never wanted to take the chance.

          • P_P_K

            If we can find a Samson-like character and chain him to two pillars in Dallas stadium, could he bring the house down?

          • Sb2bowl

            Mostly pride, and what not to do in life.

          • PacificPurl

            Samson was a womanizing jerk full of himself. Delilah was under orders from the male rulers, probably a state-owned prostitute.

          • Sb2bowl

            Good catch

  • RC5000

    Back to the Pack

    • GermanEagle

      I looks more and more like the Eagles will go into the draft with a huge hole at CB.

      • Media Mike

        Can’t be worse than starting A-holes at CB like we’ve done for enough years.

  • RC5000
  • Gian GEAGLE

    Packers lost Datone Jones to the Vikings, Like Chance Warmack, Datone is one of those really talented kids who I liked that I wouldn’t mind taking fliers on to see if a change of scenery does them some good. Wouldn’t surprise me to see MIKE Zimmer get some nice production out of the kid
    ..
    Packers are Losing everyone it seems like. Wonder what Rogers thinks about all this. They are going to have to be aggressive in the draft

  • GermanEagle

    So with House and also Webster both gone, I can’t really see any veteran FA out there who could start for the Eagles at CB.

    We have also not heard anything about Poe or Hankins which worries me.

    I’m not ready to push the panic button yet but the Eagles can’t really afford to go into the draft with such big holes in their Defense.

    And I haven’t even brought up RB and DE yet…

    • Donald Kalinowski

      Mario Williams!
      Bennie Logan got $8 million. I wonder what Hankin’s market value is.
      I still can’t take the RB position seriously.

      • GermanEagle

        Mario as in super Mario Williams?! Does he have anything left in his tank?

        I really really hope we can/will sign Hankins for not more than 7/year. He’s 3 years younger and would actually be an upgrade over Bennie.

        • Donald Kalinowski

          Maybe. He did play have a decent season under Jim Schwartz. It would be great to see him take a cheap 1 year deal. But I do wonder if he’s checked out.

    • GENETiC-FREAK

      Morris Claiborne is there. But Eagles are already 7mil over the cap i think?? Really lost on the cap situation lol

      • GermanEagle

        Yeah not overly sold on Claiborne. He was one of my favourite rookies coming out of college but the jury in the NFL is still out on him.

      • RC5000

        Not saying it’s done but Ravens are expected to sign him.

      • Anders

        I think the Eagles have around 10 mill left

    • RC5000

      Verner hasn’t signed anywhere has he?

      • GermanEagle

        Yes I forgot about him. Does he have anything left though??

        • RC5000

          Is he worse than House? They’re both about 28. House was supposedly terrible last year.

    • FairOaks

      I think we’ll be OK on DL, but CB is a concern. Hard to find rookies who can start and play well there. And we need two.

    • RC5000

      This would be very unpopular but is Brandon Carr done? He’s never missed a game in his career. Dallas wants to sign him.
      http://dal.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-New-York-Jets-interested-in-Cowboys-FA-CB-Brandon-Carr-51750322

      • Media Mike

        If the price is right and the contract is short; you’re popular enough with me at this point.

    • scratcherk

      I think trade is the way to go at this point.

      • GermanEagle

        Apart from Fuller, whom ya got?!

        • scratcherk

          No idea. maybe other disappointments like darqueze dennard?

        • scratcherk

          maybe eric rowe is available now that the pats signed a new cb…

          • Mr. Magee

            Lol…

    • Anders

      I think we will sign a guy like Devin Taylor as depth DE.

      Im not really worried about RB. Smallwood, Marshall and Sproles is a fine trio and I rather we not sign anybody in FA and try to target a James Connor type after round 3

  • RC5000

    I missed this from last week but Quintin Demps is still making $

    Terms: Three years, $13.5 million with $5 million in the first year, according to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Caplan.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4705079/quintin-demps-brings-takeways-to-bears-secondary-but-also-age

    • GermanEagle

      Good for him. Always liked him.

    • Mr. Magee

      Incredible. What did we not see in him?

      • Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard

        Injured a lot, also still isn’t that good. Safety talent is just that thin. Cool he’s had such a long career though.

    • iceberg584

      My enduring memory of him will forever be his attempted killshot (unsportsmanlike late hit) on Kurt Warner just before halftime in the ’08 NFCCG. I will also always believe that it was ordered from the sideline.

      • kajomo

        I will always remember him saying if someone told him he would have to compete to be the starting safety he would have tried harder.