Eagles Draft Talk – Quick Hits Edition

Posted: March 31st, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 166 Comments »

Just some quick thoughts on the Eagles and prospects this morning.

More than a few people like LB Reuben Foster and would love to see the Eagles take him. I don’t like Foster as a target. Good player to be sure, but I don’t think he’s worth pick 14 to the Eagles. I’ll write more on him in the future.


The Eagles are bringing in WRs Shelton Gibson and Chad Williams for visits. It really seems the Eagles covet a speedy wideout to add to the passing game. That isn’t to say they might not go for a slower WR if it is the right guy, but they are showing a serious desire to add a vertical threat. Bryce Treggs better be renting and not shopping for a house.


The Eagles had a DL coach in Tallahassee to help workout DE DeMarcus Walker of Florida State. I like this quite a lot. Walker is flying under the radar a bit right now, but had a great season and has good pro potential. He is 6-4, 280 and can rush off the edge or up the middle. Real interesting guy who could be a target in the 2nd or 3rd round.


I have no idea what is going on with CB Teez Tabor. He ran 4.62 at the Combine. That kicked him out of 1st round talk. Wait for his Pro Day, we all said. He ran 4.75. Ouch times infinity. He’s out of the 2nd round now. Heck, he won’t be on all 32 draft boards. I love the kid’s game tape, but I’ve never seen a good player run this poorly. I don’t know what to say.


Dalvin Cook re-ran the 40 at his Pro Day, but skipped the other athletic tests. Weird. He struggled in those tests at the Combine and I thought for sure he’d want to improve them. With all his issues, I still don’t know if he goes in the early part of the 1st round.


The Eagles need a #3 QB. There isn’t anyone in this draft class I’m enamored with who would be great value. The team did have a workout with Nathan Peterman of Pitt. Good player. Is he worth the Eagles spending a mid-round pick on? Probably not. If they think he’s great value, okay, but I don’t think that’s the case. C.J. Beathard could be available late. He would be an interesting target.


The more I think about DL Chris Wormley from Michigan, the more the idea grows on me. He’s 6-5, 297 and a really good athlete. Having him and Fletcher Cox attack up the middle together would be a lot of fun to watch. He wouldn’t be ideal against the run, but Beau Allen can be the run specialist.


One late round player I do like a lot is Patrick Gamble from Georgia Tech. He is 6-4, 279. That’s not an ideal build for a DT, but this guy is disruptive and has a lot of potential. He’s hurt right now so that lowers his value, but he is talented.


The Eagles have shown a lot of interest in RB Matt Dayes from NC State. But what about the studs, turds and other good players that everyone talks about as early targets? I think the Eagles want to take a RB early. However, other teams don’t always cooperate. They have a nasty habit of taking players the Eagles want. That happened with OL in 2014 and 2015. It happened with DTs last year. The Eagles are smart to have some targets in the rounds 4-6 area.


166 Comments on “Eagles Draft Talk – Quick Hits Edition”

  1. 1 Buge Halls said at 8:49 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    So glad the Teez Tabor to the Eagles in the 1st round talk is over! 3rd round sounds good.

  2. 2 nickross23 said at 8:57 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Teez Tabor’s only hope now is to become the Anquan Bolden of Corners, slow 40 time with an outstanding pro career

  3. 3 Dominik said at 9:05 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I get what you’re saying. Thing is, it’s bad to be a slow WR, no doubt, but you can find other ways to find seperation. As Boldin did. He is slow, his 40 time isn’t a fluke, he just found ways to be effective (really effective).

    But as a CB, how do you want to cover 4.4 (or 4.3) WRs with a 4.6 40? I get it with a 4.54, like Sherman ran, f.e. (he’s also 6’3, even though he only had 195 pounds at the Combine) and good Safety help. But covering faster players is different than getting seperation against faster players.

  4. 4 nickross23 said at 9:22 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I’m not comparing Tabor and Bolden, and i well aware that it’s easier for wr to succeed with a slower 40 time… he’ll you can’t touch em after 5yrds anyways lol, and im not advocating the Eagles take him.i get why the 40 is important in regards to certain positions. All i was saying is that he better be confident in his abilities to handle this glaring short coming since having a respectable 40 time is part of the job requirement that the NFL wants out of their prospects.

  5. 5 Rellihcs said at 11:11 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    But I’m not convinced he’s a slow corner. He ran slow a few times. That’s what he did then, not what he can do as a football player in football games….

    Just sayin…

  6. 6 Dominik said at 11:45 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Running in shorts is different than running in pads in a game situation, yes. But he’s also not kind of slow (4.57 or something like that), he’s awfully slow for a CB at his size who wants to play in the NFL. And most alarming is probably his time getting worse after a disappointing Combine. There’s something wrong here, mentally or physically. Will cost him a boatload of money, that’s for sure.

    Now, with Mills we know his Combine speed is his game speed. We don’t know that with Tabor, yet. But draft is about risk/reward and the risk of him being slow as sh*t is just there.

  7. 7 Rellihcs said at 12:27 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I hear you. And I’ll trust the pros on this one.

    But to me it sounds like “smart guy, performs well at work, I’d hire him in a second” “But boss, he was really poor in the SATs and GREs”….

  8. 8 Dominik said at 9:01 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Will be interesting to follow Tabors career. He has really good tape. And he faced SEC prospects all the time. But: even his combine 40 is 0.01 slower than Mills 40. Mills also faced good competition in the SEC (what was he, a 3 year starter on LSUs loaded Defense?). And besides from his speed, Mills is a good athlete. Just look at his graph.


    I see potential in the slot for him, he just can’t play outside because his game speed is pretty much his 40 time (at least for my eyes). Too slow.

    Tabor doesn’t even have the other athletic traits Mills has (31 vertical vs. 37 for Mills, f.e.). Measurables aren’t everything, of course, but he could be the biggest loser from showing up at the Combine ever. Of course professional scouts had concerns about his speed before the combine, can’t imagine it any other way. Maybe he never was a true 1st rounder for the league, just for the media. But his lack of athletism is really alarming. I don’t even know if I’d want him in the 3rd. 4th round could be a good risk/reward spot. But you really have to trust your eyes (as an Eagles scout and/or Douglas) even in the 4th imo.

  9. 9 nickross23 said at 9:13 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Hes a zone corner all day but a move to Safety could maybe get him back to stay in the conversation of rd 2. His ball skills and ability to jump routes to make its are very impressive. Slow 40 time or not he makes plays.. but i still don’t like my DBS running in 4.7s

  10. 10 meteorologist said at 11:48 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I’m not saying he isn’t a good athlete but that graph is not proof. That graph is comparing him to safeties.

  11. 11 Dominik said at 4:43 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Oh, didn’t realise that. Thanks for noticing.

  12. 12 nickross23 said at 9:04 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Watch a lot of CFB, and FSU football so I was surprised to see Walker measure to be around 6’4 cuz i thought he was borderline 6’2 watching at home. His last two years where incredible with the sack numbers, but i still think he’s an late 2 early 3rd guy. Just doesn’t show that elite level burst around the edge, that I want to see from my DE. To me he has alot of Brandon Graham in him… which isn’t a bad thing though. To me I think he’s best as a situational rusher as a 3-tech. His speed power and quickness is tailor made to go up against interior lineman

  13. 13 Dominik said at 9:09 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    So, Brooks is probably staying.


    Ideally, he can battle with Mills for the Nickel DB/Slot CB position. And if he loses the job, he’s still a good STer. For 1m (it’s more or less the veteran minimum) that’s solid value imo. Have to see if he’s healthy, of course.

  14. 14 xmbk said at 9:13 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    He’s probably battling Robinson for the slot. The team has set themselves up to draft BPA, I could easily see only 1 top CB getting picked. Which is fine, provided they get studs at other positions.

  15. 15 Dominik said at 9:34 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Robinson isn’t a good CB, don’t get me wrong, but at least he has the speed to play outside. I really want to see Mills in the slot only. He gets burned a lot outside.

  16. 16 xmbk said at 10:44 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I can’t say I disagree, but that’s from the outside looking in. There is so much more that goes into a coach’s decision. Just seems at this time that they are prepared to roll with Mills outside. I’m sure that’s in pencil, though.

  17. 17 Dominik said at 11:49 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Kelly/Billy D cared too much about size for CBs. I’m glad those parameters are gone. Can be 5’11 (or even 5’10), if you can cover, that’s ok imo.

    With Schwartz, I’m scared he may cares too little about speed. I’m very much a speed guy for WR and CBs, so maybe I’m extreme in my view, too. But please, Mills really is too slow for the outside imo. And the thing is, you can’t teach speed. It is what it is for him. He can improve in the mental areas of the game, but 4.61 ~ game speed isn’t good enough in the NFL, I don’t care about the scheme. Hope Schwartz sees it that way, too.

  18. 18 xmbk said at 4:20 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Top line speed gets overrated. Acceleration, agility, short area speed – those are more important in football, imo. Not that it doesn’t matter at all, but even for cb and wr the other stuff is more important. People talk about Desean’s speed, but his acceleration and quickness were probably more important, the way he tracks and adjusts when the ball is in the air.

  19. 19 Dominik said at 4:46 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    You’re right that agility and short area speed is more impotant for a CB than straightline speed. But straightline speed can be a killer for outside CBs nonetheless. For Mills, it’s not good enough imo.

    I don’t care much about straight line speed for Slot CBs. That’s why I see potential for Mills there.

  20. 20 Rellihcs said at 11:10 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    With all due respect, talking about position battles within position groups at this time of the year is just ridiculous. We need to add a lot to the CB group and who fits best where is a conversation for mid august, not late march.

  21. 21 xmbk said at 11:42 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    That’s the thing, the team probably hopes to add a lot, but looks like they’re preparing for that not to happen. Which is smart.

  22. 22 Rellihcs said at 12:07 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Agreed. I think they need to add at both outside and clot, and maybe some “we’ll have to see where their best spot is”.

  23. 23 scratcherk said at 10:36 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Brooks was playing well before injury, I’m fine with that.

  24. 24 Sb2bowl said at 10:37 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    At that rate, he’s worth keeping around and it gives him more time to rehab before the season starts. He knows the scheme, so that’s not a concern even if he’s held out until training camp.

    He suffered a pretty horrible injury, but if the Eagles are willing to keep him around at a reduced rate, both sides win. Hopefully he can come back and add veteran leadership, depth, and knowledge of scheme to the young/new guys coming in. There will be a bunch of them.

    To me, Mills doesn’t fit the typical slot/nickel CB profile- one of his best assets is to get physical at the line of scrimmage, and redirecting WR routes to throw off the timing. Playing him specifically in the slot negates his ability to get “hands on’ as most slot receivers are off of the line of scrimmage.

    He’s got the mental makeup to take on the games best. That’s important. He doesn’t get flustered when a big play is made against him. Hell, last year Jeffrey burned him badly on a double move and when they went after Mills again on a quick hitter with no outside help, he made the tackle 1 on 1. That takes balls.

  25. 25 Ryan Rambo said at 1:17 PM on March 31st, 2017:


  26. 26 Stephen E. said at 2:09 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Ultimately, a “highlights” video with 0 INTs is disappointing.

  27. 27 Jernst said at 11:04 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I dunno…I was pretty disappointed by the fact that the first 6 plays on his “Highlight” video were completions to the WR he was covering.

    If you’re a CB and your own highlight video opens with 6 straight “highlights” of you tackling the WR after already giving up the completion, you might want to cut it down a bit…maybe a 6min youtube video isn’t for you.

  28. 28 Sb2bowl said at 8:01 PM on April 1st, 2017:

    “The (s)Wag”

  29. 29 Ray888 said at 9:27 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Is there really some 27 more days of watching “grass grow” ahead before the draft begins? Not that I’m putting your posts in this category, Tommy; you’re the last read at nite and the first read in the AM. Thanks for being there!

  30. 30 P_P_K said at 9:34 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I agree with your basic sentiment, it’s a slow time of the football year. I disagree with your grass metaphor, though, at least geographically. We’re watching the snow fall here in VT, with forecasts of over a foot coming down.

  31. 31 Ray888 said at 11:34 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Barrier island off Charleston, SC here – sweating in the hot sun. First spring w/o the 100 ft driveway in Philadelphia.Replaced it with 50 of drive way in Maine where we are headed next week. Only expecting 10″ tonite; there still are 30″ of drifted snow left over from the last blizzard. Our grass should be middle of June.

  32. 32 P_P_K said at 11:57 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    We have four seasons in VT: Snow, more snow, still more snow, and mud season. What’s grass?

  33. 33 Ray888 said at 4:17 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    2015 had an all time record annual snow fall for Maine. That was pretty steady from December on. This year had a slower start, but February & March have had one major storm after another. In one 8 day stretch, there were 42″ of snow. There’s no time to clean up from one major storm before another hits.

  34. 34 P_P_K said at 8:15 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Cool to know there are more Eagles fans up here in Northern New England. At least some of us are sane enough to hate the Pats.

  35. 35 Bacon & Iggles said at 3:09 AM on April 1st, 2017:

    #Facts. Though, the winters here definitely aren’t what they once were.

  36. 36 P_P_K said at 10:12 AM on April 1st, 2017:

    That’s indeed a fact. The guys I know who plow for a living have been hurting the past couple of years.

  37. 37 Bacon & Iggles said at 2:20 PM on April 1st, 2017:

    No doubt about it! Also many, many people I know had given up & sold their snowmobiles over the last few years. This was really the first decent snowmobiling season we’ve had in the last several. In Central Vermont, anyway.

  38. 38 P_P_K said at 4:08 PM on April 1st, 2017:

    It’s funny you bring this up. After that 3ft storm, I found a guy and his son stuck on their snowrigs. Dad was so excited it finally snowed that he forgot to check the oil level in his snowmobile. Fried the engine

  39. 39 Bacon & Iggles said at 3:08 AM on April 1st, 2017:

    Yup, sure is at that. And the snow is falling pretty good here in South Barre tonight. :-/

  40. 40 P_P_K said at 10:13 AM on April 1st, 2017:

    I was in your neighborhood last weekend. I didn’t see any Eagles flags. Did I miss your house?

  41. 41 Bacon & Iggles said at 2:17 PM on April 1st, 2017:

    You were? Right on! My Eagles flags are flying to be sure. However, they are on the interior of my house so some “peeping tomery” would’ve been required to see them unfortunately. LOL

  42. 42 nickross23 said at 9:39 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I know the RB position has been talked about at nausea, but i was truly surprised at the results of D’onta Foreman’s preference at UT proday. Checked in at 234 and ran a 4.45 looked good in position drills.. missed the combine and its like he’s a forgotten man. Then there PSU Chris Godwin blows up the combine but hasn’t generated buzz since… i can’t wait for this daMN draft to be over and done with lol

  43. 43 Mac said at 2:02 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I get nauseated every time people talk about taking a RB at 14.

  44. 44 NittanyEagles said at 9:40 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Grambling State WR Chad Williams (@go_10_) vs LSU CB Tre'Davious White Pt.2 #SeniorBowl pic.twitter.com/CnjSJzf0lM— Nittany Eagles (@NittanyEagles) 2017年1月26日

  45. 45 Dominik said at 9:41 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    I found hope for Tabor (and the team that eventually drafts him). Josh Norman had a really freaking slow 40 time also (4.66). Didn’t know that. Makes more sense now that he was a 5th round pick.

    He’s really comparable from a height/weight/speed/vertical standpoint. And he’s a good CB in the NFL.



    Altough, to be fair, Wikipedia has Normans 40 time at 4.57. Don’t know which source took which time (Pro Day vs. Combine).

  46. 46 Jernst said at 11:25 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    There’s always going to be that one outlier who breaks all trends. You should never base your strategy off that one exception to the rule. Josh Norman is such an outlier that’s hard to put into terms exactly how rare someone with his speed having that kind of success is besides saying, he’s simply the only one to do so in the last 20 years. And, by a wide margin too. The next slowest successful CB you can point to literally runs a tenth of a second faster than him.

    Here’s a great analysis of all corners taken between 2001-2010, that breaks down the correlation between 40 time and success in the pros at the CB position.

  47. 47 Dominik said at 9:08 AM on April 1st, 2017:

    I’m totally with you on that one. I just thought there would be NO CB as slow as Tabor who had sucess in the NFL. Obviously Norman is the outlier and you shouldn’t build your team around that, but at least there’s an outlier, compared to nothing.

  48. 48 eagleyankfan said at 10:18 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Don’t pay the Peterman, until he gets you to the other side (of course)
    I’m all for weapons on offense — and it sure feels like the Eagles will draft a speedy WR and RB(?) … sure would like a lot more interest being shown for CB’s though. Maybe there is and they are not showing it. Certainly seems like Eagles want a LB as well.
    we know not all picks pan out – so what is everyone hoping for? at least 1 legit wr and 1 legit corner (or is that asking too much)?

  49. 49 A_T_G said at 10:56 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    In regard to Tabor, is it possible he is just a bad sprinter? We are talking a quarter second difference between being considered day 1 and being relegated to day 3. That could be a matter of he doesn’t know how to launch.

    Does someone who understands the stats more than me know if the 10-yard split and top speed and such confirm that he is actually slow? Game tape seems to tell a different story.

  50. 50 scratcherk said at 11:03 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    also, its not just the 40. He didnt do anything well:


    Seems to suggest lack of preparation for the underwear olympics. As stupid as the combine is, you know its coming so you gotta put the work in to get ready…

  51. 51 kajomo said at 2:49 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Agreed. He’s either unatletic or lacks commitment. Not sure which is worse.

  52. 52 A_T_G said at 3:51 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    That certainly is cause for concern.

  53. 53 ChoTime said at 11:48 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Yes, it confirms he’s slow. It doesn’t confirm that he can’t be a very good CB in the NFL.

  54. 54 A_T_G said at 2:59 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    But I mean, there is a reason sprinters practice their form.

    Pundits seem legitimately surprised by his time. Did his game tape ever show signs that he wasn’t fast enough? Absent that, I still would be interested in having him run some plays with Torrey Smith and see if he can keep up. And to be clear, I am asking because I don’t know, this isn’t a Socrative method question.

  55. 55 ChoTime said at 5:41 PM on April 2nd, 2017:

    I don’t know either. I just always favor production over measurables, myself.

  56. 56 Jernst said at 11:30 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    There’s a huge difference in expected NFL success in CBs who run a sub 4.4 compared to CBs that don’t and there’s another big drop off once a CB runs above a 4.5. In fact, successful CBs that run over a 4.5 are almost unheard of except for a handful of players that have found success at that speed over the last 20 years. A CB that runs a 4.7 40 yard dash hasn’t become a successful NFL player since they filmed in black and white. There will be more than a few teams that remove him from their draft board all together. For him to end up being a successful NFL player he will literally have to be the slowest timed CB to ever do so. That’s not a bet I’d be willing to make with a premium asset.

  57. 57 Rellihcs said at 11:07 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Ah, the part of the year where Tommy goes from “steady, solid gold” to “OM(f)G, this solid gold is so good ***!”

    God I love Tommy and this time of the year.

  58. 58 Tdoteaglefan said at 11:18 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    The Tumbling of Teez is very interesting to watch. Surprising that he ran even slower at his pro day than his disappointing combine performance.
    Also Looking forward to seeing Tommy’s thoughts on Reuben Foster and why he doesn’t like him, he’s one of my favorite players in the draft and I’ve been dreaming of him wreaking havoc in midnight green

  59. 59 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 12:13 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    What’s so strange but is going unsaid — these guys practice before they run. If you’re testing worse than at the combine, then why even run? Was he drunk?

  60. 60 BreakinAnklez said at 12:27 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Or it suggests he isn’t practicing…which is worse

  61. 61 Dominik said at 5:19 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Had the same thought. But: his Combine 40 was so bad, teams would have wondered why he’d not trying to improve on that. It was basically a Catch 22 after his bad combine performance.

  62. 62 nopain23 said at 11:55 AM on March 31st, 2017:

    Foster Is easily Top 5 Talent . Why wouldn’t you want that guy on your team especially of he miraculously makes it to 14. There are probably only 5-6 blue chip players in this draft at best. If one of them makes it to 14 you better ” usain bolt it to the podium and turn in that card!

  63. 63 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:45 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    If people think he is over rated or doesn’t translate to our scheme well, I can understand passing on him. But I’ll be pissed if we pass on a chance to draft any of the 10 best prospects except Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker.
    I’d like to know if the anti Foster folks think he is over rated, or just don’t think LB presents the best value for us at #14?

  64. 64 nopain23 said at 5:55 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Sadly it appears that most iggles fans would rather reach for a DB or RB at 14 than draft an elite prospect of he’said available. So what I am to comprehend is that potentially having 2 stud linebackers would somehow be a bad thing? I guess no one saw zeke running all over our defense last season. Kid has great instincts and hits like a ton of. bricks with a clean injury history. A bonafide 1st RD pick.
    We’re so fortunate to recoup this pick after the wentz deal. Can we please just take BPA( whether it’s foster or someone else) and figure it out later. MS2 is a sobering reminder of what happens when you reach on a player because of perceived need.

  65. 65 GermanEagle said at 12:15 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I don’t think Tommy is aware how many broken hearts he just caused with his Foster comment…

  66. 66 D3FB said at 12:15 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Foster: Austrailian for not on Tommy’s board

  67. 67 GermanEagle said at 12:16 PM on March 31st, 2017:


    I hate Fosters too. One of the worst 3 beers in the history of brewing.

    Flop 3:

    1. Fosters
    2. Carling
    3. Heineken

  68. 68 D3FB said at 12:17 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    After 6 of em they all taste the same

  69. 69 GermanEagle said at 12:31 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Are you referring to beer or girls?!

  70. 70 Rellihcs said at 12:25 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I actually enjoy #3 – it has it’s place. I can think of at least 50 ones that are worse. Think most American cheap domestics, lights, and many others.

  71. 71 daveH said at 12:30 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Its beer so how much can you really hate it

  72. 72 daveH said at 12:33 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Free icey cold fosters dilemma

  73. 73 Bert's Bells said at 12:50 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    If you want to piss off an Aussie, tell them their national beer is Fosters.

  74. 74 Mac said at 2:06 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I’m shocked that anyone would think of it as a possibility.

    Super long shots @ 14: QB, K, P, LS, LB, RB.

  75. 75 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:15 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Really? You are “shocked” that Eagles fans are showing a lot of interest in a Kid who is
    A) typically talked about as one of the top 10 talents in this draft
    B) out of the top 10 prospects, he is probably most frequently listed as the kid with the best chance of falling out of the top 10 and Possibly beng available at 14
    Pick any of the top prospects and tell eagle fans that there is a chance he will be available at 14, and most will probably be interested except for the fans who put too much emphasis in targeting positions. Jeffrey Lurie spoke some truth the other day in that since you don’t really expect to count on draft picks Til year 3, there aren’t many positions we KNOW we won’t NEED in 2019. Fans who want to contend this year might not like to hear that, but it’s real talk, Only a Moron of a GM (cough Chip kelly) goes into the draft assuming he will get a kid at a certain position who we can assume will be able to start day 1. So if you can’t expect to count On kids Til year 3, does positional needs really matter in the draft? Should be a tie breaker at best
    I don’t know why you would list LB as some forbidden position for the 14th pick. i understand if you think Foster is being over rated and you think we can do better at #14, but if you are ruling him out because he is a linebacker, that I don’t understand. Unfortunately there are only like a handful of kids I seen enough to really be familiar with, so im stuck having to try and go off what I read, so Im in no position to debate if Foster is over rated or not, but If he is a legit future game changer I wouldn’t want the Eagles to pass on him just because LB ISNT the most obvious immediate need
    The Only positions we should take off the board in round 1 are
    QB, Safety, K, P, LS, Center. It’s no secret that we need a few positions more desperately than others, but picking this high, the most important thing is drafting someone who will grow into one of our top players. If that happens, fans will forget all about the fact that they thought we didn’t need a linebacker, which is pretty much what happened with the Jordan Hicks pick that was hated but a few years later he is now one of our favorite Eagles.
    I am curious if it’s just a Linebacker thing for you, or do you think Foster is being over rated?

  76. 76 Mac said at 3:28 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Yep, still shocked.

  77. 77 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:33 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Doubt Bradham will be here in 3 years

  78. 78 Insomniac said at 12:27 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Reposting this since it fits Teez Tabor’s case.


  79. 79 meteorologist said at 7:06 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    #FIVITH lol

  80. 80 meteorologist said at 7:15 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Great link. Really interesting addition to the conversation

  81. 81 daveH said at 12:29 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    The ad says Odell Beckham suspended for 2017… exactly the internet click baitthat defines what sucks and is schit in the internet Game

  82. 82 Rellihcs said at 12:45 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    #russia #oneofthepolitcalpartieswhosnamestartswiththesamefirstletterasthatcountry

  83. 83 aron said at 3:33 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    you’re a democratretardocan, I own you

  84. 84 A Roy said at 4:15 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    It’s such a pleasure when I see “This user is blocked” and know I won’t see an insipid response to your comment.

  85. 85 Rellihcs said at 4:29 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Yeah it’s pretty awesome. I’m in the same boat in this case.

  86. 86 GermanEagle said at 12:45 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Please don’t tell me you clicked !?

  87. 87 daveH said at 7:51 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I didnt click on it but i did google it in case i missed sum pin

  88. 88 Bert's Bells said at 12:49 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    You won’t believe what Eli Manning said about it!

  89. 89 ChoTime said at 2:01 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Odell Beckham suspended and a weird trick that people are using to make millions of dollars at home.

  90. 90 Mac said at 4:27 PM on March 31st, 2017:


  91. 91 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:28 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    generally speaking Im really unfamiliar with this draft class. I can’t even name the top prospect at every position.
    1) Do we have a good idea yet who is expected to be the second CB drafted?
    2) how does the #2 and #3 CB prospects compare with Eli Apple, the CB who was taken last year in the 10-14 range?
    I think going BPA will be a no BRAINER when we are picking at #14, but Are there really two corners in this draft amongst the best 14 prospects? If not, then there is no reason to even bother talking about our cornerback need in terms of the 14th pick. I assume there is no chance the top CB Lattimore last Til 14? If the two safeties Adams/Hooker come off the board before Lattimore, there could be a chance he falls to 9-12 range where the Eagles can give some thought to trading up for him, but I assume that’s probably a pipe dream.
    Im really hoping the Eagles find one The top 10 prospects still available at 14, making it an easy no brainer decision regardless of need, ideally someone who bolsters our front 7 but I’ll take top level talent at any position I can get

  92. 92 Rambler said at 5:50 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    All I can comment on is what I have seen from my Buckeyes… Cannot imagine any scenario Lattimore is there at 14. Not that we have immediate need for a safety, but Hooker will be gone too. I have seen some mocks that suggest Lattimore maybe could slide to that 10-12 range, and if so, not sure how i would feel about the Eagles giving up a draft pick to go up and get him. I would love to see him on the Eagles, just not sure it will be worth the resources to get him. I do like Conley as well… but his weakness is that he is an awful tackler. He probably is not worth the 14th pick, definitely better overall players going to be available at 14. And in my humble opinion, I think Lattimore and Conley have what it takes to be better pros than Apple.

  93. 93 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:01 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Thank you sir. I haven’t seen a consensus for who people think is the #2 CB so I would also assume that there will be better Talent available at other positions at 14. Typically I hate round 1’corners so Id rather just wait Til round 3 for corners Unless there is someone they feel they can’t pass on

  94. 94 Rambler said at 6:09 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I agree, I have not seen a consensus #2 CB either… maybe Humphrey, White, Conley? Obviously the Eagles need new talent at that position, but I do not want them to force it at pick 14, when there probably will be better players available. I just hope they draft at least 2 CBs at some point.

  95. 95 Media Mike said at 6:08 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Conley is interesting. The fragile nature of Lattimore’s hamstrings (thanks to D3 for the head’s up) scares me, but I’d like to see what Conley’s actual value is.

  96. 96 Rambler said at 6:14 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I honestly was surprised at Lattimore’s “rise to the top” after last season. He had a great year and has the requisite build and skills to excel. But you are taking a chance with his injury history and limited experience. Higher ceiling for sure than Conley, but I think you are getting more of a known product with Conley. We shall see.

  97. 97 meteorologist said at 7:24 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Miller has the top tier as Lattimore, Conley, and Quincy Wilson, with Lattimore a lock for the top 5 (Tennessee)

  98. 98 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:37 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Pleased to hear that the Eagles plan on holding onto Ron Brooks. He is nothing special but we have plenty of CB spots to upgrade before we get to upgrading Brooks. I liked the physicality he brought to that nickel spot and he is another quality ST player for Fipp to continue frequently providing us with a special Teams advantage. Doesn’t hurt that he helped free up a couple dollars. Assuming he gets back to preinjury form, I’d keep Brooks until young corners beat him in training camp and takes his job.

  99. 99 GermanEagle said at 1:58 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    To those people considering drafting Tabor. I run a 4.8 and I am much better looking.

  100. 100 Rellihcs said at 3:03 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    and you have the tape he has?

  101. 101 GermanEagle said at 3:05 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Yes. Bar. Tape

  102. 102 lonfident said at 4:44 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Hey, I run a 4.8 40 also. You mean 40 feet right?

  103. 103 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:36 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    As for WR, I don’t THNK we have to draft one, but it wouldn’t bother me if they did especially since now we have a Better environment for WRs in that we have legit starting WRs in place allowing the rookie to develope at his pace unlike what Chip kelly did drafting WR out of neccessity who we had to immediately hand starting job too. At least now if we draft a WR he can start on special teams and work his way up the depth chart until he earns a starting spot.
    We have a ton of size at the WR position already so it makes sense to add a smaller speed Deamon to our WR group.
    But, we have a deep threat in place (Torrey Smith). so are we looking for a Tiny Deep threat like desean Jackson? Or are we looking for smaller quicker targets like Cole Beasly, Wes Welker, Julien Edleman types? this will be Sproles last season

  104. 104 eagleyankfan said at 4:59 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Eagles are spending a lot of time with WR’s to not draft one. I’d feel better if AJ was signed passed this 1 year. It’s funny cause I was wondering if Mccaffery(sp?) would be able to play that role of a Wes Welker instead of a running back. I’m cynical and want a WR drafted just so he takes the place of any of the wr’s from last year 🙂 (not including JM).

  105. 105 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:43 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Yeah McCaffrey being able to possibly fill that Wes Welker role, combined with his special teams ability could bring enough value to consider,at 14, making up for not being a 20 plus carry per week guy.
    Obviously he can be a beast of a weapon catching passes from the backfield, but if he can also function as that Wes Welker slot WR as well as a weapon in the return game, that could bring enough value to the table to consider at #14. I’d rather get that type of value at 14, than an Elite two down powerback like Fournette,
    but it’s probably a long shot that they go RB at 14

  106. 106 Dave said at 5:59 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I think Wes Welker was a product of a specific system, McCaffrey can play in any system. Welker was small and slow. However, his quickness allowed him to thrive running 3 – 5 yards underneath pass patterns.

    McCaffrey is much bigger and faster.

  107. 107 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:14 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Tabor might turn out to be like Burfict. 1st prospect going head to head with Kuechly as best LB. Then bombed combine and interviews.

  108. 108 Ryan Rambo said at 4:15 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Dolphins waived/injured DE Dion Jordan.
    The move saves Miami $3.2 million in cap space. Jordan’s departure was widely expected after missing all of last season with a knee injury. He sat out the year before for violating the league’s PED policy. Jordan, who turned 27 earlier this month, started just one game during his four-year tenure in Miami. The former third overall pick will go down as one of the bigger draft busts in recent memory.

  109. 109 meteorologist said at 4:22 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    This Tabor 40 time stuff makes me want him as a late round steal. He could be a great value in round 3 or later. If we can properly motivate him, he could be an incredible steal. There’s no way he’s that slow with proper training. Just have to figure out what makes him tick

  110. 110 Insomniac said at 4:27 PM on March 31st, 2017:


  111. 111 Dave said at 5:49 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    “There’s no way he’s that slow with proper training.”

    I think that’s the main issue with him. This is a once in a lifetime experience to get drafted and be financially set for life, yet he doesn’t seem to be taking it too seriously.

  112. 112 Media Mike said at 6:07 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    4th round?

  113. 113 meteorologist said at 6:32 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Would be a dream. In the video (5 min mark) he’s chasing a 4.4 guy. Can’t be slower than 4.5 – 4.59 can he?

  114. 114 Media Mike said at 6:34 PM on March 31st, 2017:


  115. 115 meteorologist said at 6:29 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    At 4:59 of this video, you can see his speed vs the LSU WR Chark, who seems to be a 4.4 guy based on a quick google. Tabor has to run through a little bit of interference and is only barely beaten around the corner by Chark. Tabor can’t be worse than a 4.5 guy in “Game speed” can he?

  116. 116 Insomniac said at 6:36 PM on March 31st, 2017:


    No recovery speed at all

    And here’s an example of actual recovery speed of a guy with 4.5 speed.


  117. 117 meteorologist said at 7:03 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    That’s not fair, Tabor slipped

  118. 118 Insomniac said at 7:08 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Sutton slipped too but he still managed to recover and actually stay on the screen unlike Tabor.

  119. 119 meteorologist said at 7:31 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    That was a really nice recovery

  120. 120 GermanEagle said at 4:40 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Case frigging Keesum sign she 1 year deal with Vikings, for $2m plus incentives.

    F u Daniel!

  121. 121 Sean Stott said at 5:10 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Here is the blowhard Mike Mayock talking about Dion Jordan, one of the biggest draft busts of the past decade.

    “This young man, I think he’s got the potential to be the player that I compare him to, which is Jason Taylor, who ironically played for the Miami Dolphins. I also think he looks like an Aldon Smith, and if he puts on 20 pounds on that 6-foot-7 frame, one day he might be as good as a DeMarcus Ware.” — Mike Mayock

    Jason Taylor, everyone. He also is the type of person to use ironically incorrectly, which makes it all worse. I don’t think he thought the Aldon Smith comparison would mean what it actually did.

  122. 122 Dominik said at 5:26 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Everyone makes mistakes. That’s obviously a big miss. But I enjoy Mayocks analysis.

  123. 123 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:52 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    lol 80% of GMs who picked in the top 10 Of that draft ended up with a bust. I’d blame those GMs/scouting departments more than I blame the TV analyst providing his opinion.
    Btw, I don’t know of a single analyst that year who didn’t have Dion as a top prospect. Kiper, McShay and every NFL GM had dion as a top 10 Talemt. so Im not sure how he can single out Mayock

  124. 124 GermanEagle said at 6:03 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    He just happens to not like Mayock that much, mate.

  125. 125 Sean Stott said at 6:20 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I didn’t have Dion in my top 10.

  126. 126 A_T_G said at 10:01 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    When will you be publishing this year’s top 10?

  127. 127 Dominik said at 6:57 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Yeah, Dion is a miss for many, many people. That’s on top of that.

    Have to say, though, the names he threw out were really great players. So even though probably everyone was pretty high on him, Mayock probably was even higher than most.

  128. 128 ChoTime said at 10:59 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    “I really like Dion Jordan’s athleticism, but I’m shocked about this pick,” Gruden said. “When I watch Dion Jordan play, Mel (Kiper), I just don’t see him play. And this isn’t any false information. When you watch Oregon play, he doesn’t play against Cal because he’s hurt. But they play almost like hockey. He plays six plays; he’s out six plays. When you watch Dion Jordan play seven snaps in an NFL game, that’ll be the first time you’ve ever seen him do it. … He’s a great athlete, but there’s a lot of unknown right now at third overall.”

  129. 129 Media Mike said at 6:07 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I do as well, expect when he’s overrating Notre Dame guys, but I did get a chuckle out of this one by Sean.

  130. 130 PacificPurl said at 4:22 AM on April 1st, 2017:

    Everyone makes mistakes. Surely not. Only Howie 5 years ago and Chip 2 years ago. Surely nobody here.

  131. 131 Nailed It! said at 5:42 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    We get it, you do not like Mayock.

  132. 132 scratcherk said at 5:44 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Not sure you understand the difference between potential and results. For instance, I would never have the potential to be Jason Taylor. Mayock is comparing what he sees to other prospects who have come out of college. He is not coaching them or keeping them motivated when they get drafted.

  133. 133 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:46 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Kind of Have to play To even have a chance of becoming Jason Taylor. That was bad because mIami traded up for him, but most teams picking in the top 10 end up with busts Joekel, jordan. Fisher (not total bust, but not worth the top spot), Jonathon Cooper, chance Warmack, Fluker…. BALLERS like Lane Johnson and Ziggy Ansah were outliners from that draft. I’d blame all the GMs who ended up with a bust from that top 10 more than I blame the TV analyst sharing his opinion,

  134. 134 GermanEagle said at 6:02 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Dude. Just leave mike alone. Lol

  135. 135 Sean Stott said at 6:17 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Well I saw skinny-Dion was released by Miami, and remembered that Mayock hyped him up a ton. Then verified that yes, indeed, it was another instance of Mayock gushing over an eventual bust.

  136. 136 PacificPurl said at 4:19 AM on April 1st, 2017:

    There were folks here and other blogs salivating over Jordan in his draft year. Some were still almost begging for him 2 years ago.

  137. 137 laeagle said at 9:31 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    At this point, you’re just embarrassing yourself.

  138. 138 A_T_G said at 10:15 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    The offseason is about projection and guessing. Mayock’s reports tell us the consensus views of the GMs. I think that I should valuable, even if not always accurate.

    Besides, everyone misses, from time to time.

  139. 139 GermanEagle said at 6:01 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Having dinner night. Look what our friends brought: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b5647ed62c89888b6c836fa5064fc72df1e35d5d003264c5ea9429b50b1ce8f.jpg

  140. 140 Rambler said at 8:03 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    FGB… F’ing Gross Beer or Fake German Beer, your choice.

  141. 141 GermanEagle said at 6:11 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Would you spend #14 on Brian Westbrook. In hindsight…

  142. 142 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 6:14 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    If they draft Mac at 14 he needs to be a big part of the offense and every down RB.

  143. 143 GermanEagle said at 6:19 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Again, if he turns out be another B West, would you pull the trigger.

  144. 144 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 6:21 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Not at 14 and with the holes we currently have on the roster. No.

  145. 145 Dave said at 7:37 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Yes, in a heartbeat. In hindsight, I would also take DeSean at 14 too. Too many players don’t pan out at all. Both of those players were impact players.

  146. 146 Media Mike said at 6:16 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    No. Injured too often. And we didn’t have to reach to get him at 14, so why give up the opportunity cost to do so?

  147. 147 Media Mike said at 6:19 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I’m going to put up two drafts here.

    This is the; I’m not passing on Corey Davis, but I can’t figure out how to add any pass rush I like.

    Round 1 Pick 14: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado (B)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan (A)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Julie’n Davenport, OT, Bucknell (A)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Dylan Donahue, OLB, West Georgia (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Aaron Jones, RB, Texas-El Paso (B-)

  148. 148 Media Mike said at 6:33 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    And STILL, can’t get anybody worth it pass rush wise to be available when I pick. This draft would get the phone lines melted on the 2 radio stations with complaints.

    Round 1 Pick 14: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (B)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Zach Cunningham, OLB/ILB, Vanderbilt (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan (A)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Julie’n Davenport, OT, Bucknell (A)
    Round 5 Pick 11: George Kittle, TE, Iowa (B)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Matthew Dayes, RB, NC State (A)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Trent Taylor, WR, Louisiana Tech (B+)

  149. 149 Dave said at 7:37 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    I really want an impact WR in round 1.

  150. 150 daveH said at 8:05 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Who are the first 13 picks &order?

  151. 151 A_T_G said at 9:57 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    So what I am hearing is that we should sign Dion?

  152. 152 SallyForth said at 7:05 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    re. RB’s …

    Every year, there are usually only a small handful of elite RB’s coming out. After that it’s generally a bunch of “Wendell Smallwood’s” (serviceable but not exceptional RBs) available in rounds 3-7.

    Which is to say, that whether there promises to be much, if any, upgrade over Smallwood in those rounds in this upcoming draft is questionable …

  153. 153 D3FB said at 9:27 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Tevin Coleman
    Devonta Freeman
    Jordan Howard
    Kenneth Dixon
    Rob Kelley
    Jay Ajayi
    David Johnson
    Isiah Crowell

  154. 154 GermanEagle said at 7:09 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    If we pick a RB in round 1 then I will drink a beer.

  155. 155 daveH said at 7:53 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    If you’ll drink a Harp, ill buy it. .
    f we don’t pick Anyone in round 1…. ill drink 5

  156. 156 A_T_G said at 9:55 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    If we pick a RB in round 1, I will breathe.

    What does that mean? You will celebrate with a beer? You will punish yourself by stopping after one?

  157. 157 daveH said at 9:57 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Ha!!! You win.
    A beer

  158. 158 lonfident said at 10:33 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    What will you do if we don’t?

  159. 159 GermanEagle said at 9:23 AM on April 2nd, 2017:

    Drink beer.

  160. 160 wee2424 said at 8:53 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Probably already mentioned at some pount, but how would you guys feel about taking a spin on Dion Jordan?

  161. 161 CrackSammich said at 9:02 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    If he wants 1 year, vet min with no guaranteed, I’d love to have him in camp. He wants anything more than that, nah.

  162. 162 DrGeniusPhD said at 10:01 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Isn’t he more of a 3-4 OLB and lighter than Schwartz is looking for from a DE?

  163. 163 wee2424 said at 10:58 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    There is no doubt he would have to get back in shape and gain weight. He clearly wouldnt be starting for us. Would be used more as a pass rush specialist.

  164. 164 scratcherk said at 11:59 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Nah, he was misplaced as a4-3 end in Miami. No reason to repeat the mistake here. Maybe back when we were a 3-4 under chip… He’ll prob go to pats and get 20 sacks next year

  165. 165 TrentColeHamels said at 9:24 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    The TCH Draft Scenario 1.0 (5 Rounds)

    Its a slow Friday in my world, and I thought it would be fun to put together a draft scenario… Feel free to leave your comments / feedback

    R1 – Joss Ross – Offense gets explosive playmaker, with the ability to be a star for years ahead

    R2 – Best corner avail – Teez Tabor, Quincy Wilson, Tre White, Kevin King. One of these guys will be there

    R3 – Sidney Jones (or Fabian Moreau if Jones is gone). Eagles get future starter, maybe can see action later in the season

    R3 – TRADE – Eagles trade 4th rounder and Kelce (or Kendricks) to get back into the 3rd round to draft Kareem Hunt (or insert James Conner or other RB here)

    R4 – Michael Roberts or George Kittle. This TE class is too good to not get one. This is perfect spot to draft Celek’s 2018 replacement

    R5 – Small school DE, who in time will turn into the next Trent Cole (5th round DE steal)

    Pros of this scenario: Eagles get 3 young playmakers to grow with Carson, and 1 potential star in John Ross. Eagles solve corner issue with 2 potential young starters of the future.

    Cons: Eagles value the DL and need depth, not adequately addressed in the early rounds with top prospects. Eagles also need depth at LB and safety, which could be addressed in late rounds or UDFA.

    Let me know your thoughts. Happy Friday!

  166. 166 DrGeniusPhD said at 10:04 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    Maybe the Eagles can bring in Brandon Bridge for the #3 QB spot.