More on the OL Depth
Posted: March 12th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 100 Comments »
Last year Howie Roseman loaded up at QB. That is the most important position in football and he was tired of seeing the Eagles not having enough talent or quality depth at that position. Roseman spent big to re-sign Sam Bradford. He then spent big to add Chase Daniel in free agency. Roseman worked his way up from pick 13 to number 2 overall so the Eagles could add a true franchise QB in Carson Wentz.
Some people were critical of the moves. That was a lot of money and resources to pour into one spot, even QB. Roseman felt different. He looked around the league and saw that it was the haves and the have nots. You either have a QB or you don’t. That sounds obvious, but look at a team like the Jets that keeps trying to find a QB, but won’t aggressively solve the problem. They’re stuck with a bunch of question marks or wasted picks.
Roseman’s aggressive moves ended up paying off for the Eagles. He traded Bradford for 1st and 4th round picks when the Vikings were desperate due to injury. Daniel helped teach his new team coach Doug Pederson’s offense. Daniel also helped develop Wentz. It’s hard to quantify the value of that.
One thing that hurt Wentz last year was inconsistent OL play. The original starting line was fine, but things changed when Lane Johnson left for his suspension. His replacement, Big V, got hurt and missed time. LG Allen Barbre missed 4 starts. RG Brandon Brooks missed a couple of starts. The Eagles used 5 different players at RT. I’ve never heard of something like that.
The inconsistent line play hurt Wentz and the Eagles. With Wentz being such a valuable commodity, Roseman decided to spend a lot of resources on the OL. The Eagles flirted with trading Allen Barbre, but decided against that. They considered cutting Jason Kelce, but now have decided against that. They signed Chance Warmack and re-signed Wiz to improve the depth of the interior of the OL.
Part of the thinking has to do with money. The Eagles have loaded up on O-linemen, but the deals are reasonable. Look at some of the deals given out this year.
OG Kevin Zeitler – 5 years, $60M
RT Riley Reiff – 5 years, $58.75M
LT Matt Kalil – 5 years, $55M
OG Ron Leary – 4 years, $36M
LT Andrew Whitworth – 3 years, $34M
C J.C. Tretter – 3 years, $16.75M
That is crazy money. And not all of those guys are good players. Kalil has been a mess at times.
Brandon Brooks seems cheap at $7.2M this year. Barbre is making $1.95M. That’s peanuts. Kelce at $6.2M is reasonable in context. Warmack is slated to cost $1.51M, which is cheap. Wiz can make up to $3M per year.
The Eagles are prepared to keep their deep OL together. If the right offer comes along, Roseman has the flexibility to make a deal, just like he did last year with Bradford. I’m not saying that some team will give up anything serious for someone like Barbre or Kelce, but the right offer might pry them away. The Eagles won’t be cutting Kelce or Barbre. After looking at the draft class and the free agent market, they decided to keep their guys and build up the OL. The Eagles are in a position of strength in an area where many NFL teams struggle.
Roseman now has a good situation. He can go into the season with the deepest OL in the league or he can entertain trade offers. But he’s not going out and shopping his guys. Teams are going to have to come to him.
The Eagles have flexibility up front. Not many teams are that lucky. We’ll see how this plays out over the next few months.
@geoffschwartz Eagles put on a zone blocking clinic vs the Ravens. Love what the C & RG do to 98 here. pic.twitter.com/2YcIQebJfZ
— michael crawford (@abukari) December 21, 2016
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The report about the Eagles offering Malcolm Jenkins for Brandin Cooks seems like total BS https://t.co/m3VdvERVBD
— Brandon Lee Gowton (@BrandonGowton) March 12, 2017
The Saints leaked a report that the Eagles offered Malcolm Jenkins, a 3rd and a 4th for WR Brandin Cooks. I cannot see the Eagles making this as a serious offer. I guess it is possible they threw various scenarios at the Saints to get an idea what the trade would really take, but even then it is hard to imagine the Eagles would mention Jenkins. The defense struggled last year when he went from S to the slot and Jaylen Watkins took his place. I don’t think that’s a guy you want to move, even for a really talented young receiver.
Plus, Jenkins is a team leader and a high character guy. The Eagles just had to cut Connor Barwin. I don’t know that they would want to get rid of Jenkins at the same time. Losing MJ would hurt them on and off the field.
This offseason, I’m not trusting anything we’re hearing out of New Orleans.
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Quick draft update.
Per source, UW CB Sidney Jones tore his Achilles tendon at UW pro day today. Recovery time 6 months.
— Dave Softy Mahler (@Softykjr) March 12, 2017
Jones was a legitimate possibility for the Eagles at pick 14. This hurts, but the good news is that this is a deep group of CBs so there will be others to target. Still, you hate to lose such a talented prospect, and of course you feel terrible for the young man. His future looked incredibly bright until yesterday afternoon. Now there is a lot of mystery about when he’ll be drafted and how he’ll play.
A lot of people are saying the Eagles should draft Jones in the 2nd or 3rd round. Let him recover for a year or half a year. Then you might have a steal on your hands.
That sounds good, but recent “redshirt” picks have not worked out so well. SF took several guys like this and it really hurt that team. RB Marcus Lattimore is done with football. Tank Carradine has one career start and 4 sacks. The Eagles used a mid-round pick on Jack Ikegwuonu, who had torn his ACL. He never got back his pre-injury form. The Eagles used a 5th round pick on Cornelius Ingram, who had a torn ACL. He re-tore it in the NFL and lost his dynamic athleticism.
There are some cases where this works, but I don’t think the Eagles should take Jones unless they feel very strongly that he’ll make a good recovery. If the Eagles were coming of a 3 or 4-win season and had a long way to go, it might be worth the risk. I don’t think the Eagles are that far away from being a good team so they should focus on players who can contribute sooner rather than later.
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The Saints are complete trash for inventing that stuff with Jenkins. If/when we play them again I’d like to see one of our players take out Sean Payton on the sideline.
How does it benefit the Saints to leak that they could have gotten a better deal than the shitty deal they got?
They got a pretty good deal — it is still a first rounder for Cooks.
I’m not sure how that leak helps them though. Sure almost amounts to tampering with the Eagles on the other hand. Maybe out of spite, for something that happened during talks? Seems unlikely, but…
Agreed. My first reaction was Sean’s nose is really out of joint.Sounds like he felt he had been”jilted” in trade talks w/ Eagles and was seeking revenge. Maybe he misjudged the Eagles’ interest/need/motivation & was left “ar the altar” when they went in another direction. HR did say that AJ arrangement came together quickly (as in “out-of-the-blue?).
They leaked that they had pick 18, and a handful of better trades than they took soooooo (files under Mickey Loomis is a moron)
“WE” ? You don’t play for the Eagles, so SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RETARD
Joe Banner “Guarenteed” that the Browns would spend a pick on injured Sidney Jones….. Makes a ton of sense
Yeah, they have a lot of picks, I could see it.
Unless they trade a lot of them for Garappolo, in which case the Patriots could make that pick…
Thankfully we aren’t legit Super Bowl contenders this year or Id be throwing up at the offseason the Pats are having. those Pigs got
Dwayne Allen TE
Brandin Cooks
Friggin Kony Ealy
Stephan Gilmore
Those pigs are making me sick. IF Browns give the Pats a bunch of premier draft picks for Jimmy G They will be so stacked
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I’d like to see Bellichik trade for Mykal Kendricks and get his career back on track. I’d be down to either swap Kendricks straight up for Kyle Van Noy, or do something like Kendricks and a 5th round pick for a 4th round pick and a future 7th. Then again if Schwartz ISNT even going to play Kemdricks, might as well trade him for whatever we can get unloading his contract
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“WE”? Another DICKHEAD who thinks he plays for the Eagles. RETARD!!
Something’s got to give on the O Line. The team doesn’t have enough money to sign a CB, let alone another running back or depth anywhere else.
Kendricks, Kelce, Matthews would free up somewhere around $10M. That’s more than enough to sign some bargain vets for depth on defense.
(but Kelce of course is an offensive lineman, ostensibly we aren’t moving any wink wink)
Of course I’m not comfortable with our depth throughout our defense or our starters at CB. But, you can’t fix everything in one offseason’s first wave of FA. Anyone, acting upset that we finally put some resources (albeit cheap resources) into giving ourselves WR and Oline depth is nuts. Having this kind of experienced starter quality depth, some with huge upside like Chance, at the bargain prices Howie paid is fantastic.
One offseason? This is year two of the rebuild 🙂
Obviously adding Alshon was Huge for us, but for me the most exciting aspect of what Howie is doing is his decision to take a flier on a serious yoûng talent in Warmack and I really Love Rosemans decision to keep all this OL talent. We can never have enough. At this point the ONLY OL I would be ok trading away is Kelce because he is the least versatile of all our top 8 OLineman on the depth chart. I can also live with keeping Kelce one more year because you can never have enough talent and deoth in the trenches buf I think I’d be surprised if Kelce is still on the roster week 1
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We are so deep right now that our 2nd team OL might be almòst as good as the Giants starting OL.
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We are like 9-10 playërs deep with legit NFL game experience on our OL, most of which have versatility to play multiple positions, With all that depth that doesn’t even account for the possibility that one of the young 3rd team backups we know so little about could grow into quality players.
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Im still hoping for a miracle like Howie finding a way to bring Logan back, im thrilled about the state of our OL, but the DL needs some serious work if we are going to subtract Barwin and Logan.
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marcus Smith, Means, Alex McCalister…. Hopefully one of those 3 defensive ends make massive improvements this offseason showing they are ready to take on a big role in our defensive End rotation. Probably need to invest a draft pick or two buildiing up the DL
All I want for christmas the next 28 years is for Dillon Gordon to become the second incarnation of Jason Peters.
Hey!!! DICKHEAD!!! “WE” ? You don’t play for the Eagles you fantasy fucking loser.
10 OL is too heavy imo. We went heavy there last year, yes. But that included two players we wanted to develop, but didn’t/couldn’t sign to the PS (Big V, Gordon). I prefer 9 OL on the roster with 7 active on gameday. And with Barbre, Seumalo and Wiz, there is a lot of versatility. Barbre can play any position but Center, Seumalo can theoretically play all 5 positions, Wiz all three interior.
If he doesn’t have a really bad camp, I’d like to keep Warmack. That’s one back-up. The other is Wiz, who’s basically a lock with his contract. Then Big V and Gordon. Those are already 4 back-ups and there is still Barbre, who only has a chance to start if Kelce is traded (I view Seumalo as a lock to start, whether at C or LG, he showed a lot of promise last year imo).
I guess it comes down to Kelce. I get Howie doesn’t want to cut him, but in the end, he has to go. Hopefully a trade works out (late round pick OR a CB). Seumalo Center, Barbre and Warmack fighting for the LG spot.
Gordon and Warmack or Big V inactive on gameday. Wiz and Barbre/Warmack/Big V back-ups.
There’s 6 more months until preseason games begin, and that doesn’t include OTA’s, mini-camps, practice or the rest of the offseason. Things happen. Injuries occur. We’ve seen positions of strength disappear instantly.
Tommy is right- it’s a position of strength and O-lines in the NFL aren’t extremely deep; an abundance of resources will benefit us now and in the future and if a great opportunity arises, we can make a deal.
Another DICKHEARD RETARD USING THE WORD “WE”.
Tommy, I don’t think the current OL depth chart makes much sense during the season, when you need to have some guys be inactive. That would be some fairly competent veterans who would have to sit. Plus, I have to imagine they want Seumalo to start somewhere. Even more, I’m sure they want to keep some of their developmental tackle prospects, and right now most of the depth is the interior — they have Tobin and Big V as backups (fine), but there is risk of not being able to afford Peters next year, and there is always the Johnson PED risk. You would really prefer a developmental tackle prospect on the 53-man who is inactive on game days, and the current depth chart doesn’t give any room for that.
So, I’m in agreement with some other posters that I think the comment about keeping Kelce is more lip service. We may keep him for a while to see how the draft shakes out, but the current structure really doesn’t seem to work for a 53-man roster. Moving Kelce would answer most of the problems.
Of course, there may not be a need to do that before preseason, to see who plays well. But you suspect they want Kelce’s cap space sooner rather than later.
I’d be pretty surprised if Kelce was still an Eagle week 1 because we will want to get Seumalo game Experience this year and Keeping Kelce as a backup this year makes No sense. Now of course we could always leave Kelce at Center for 1 more year and play Seumalo at LG, but that makes little sense to me because Ideally I think the Eagles would love to see a Healthy Chance Warmack kick ass all summer, earn the starting LG spot. Have a good year, emerging and cementing himself as the starting LG for the Eagles past this season. Clearly I think the ideal scenario for the Eagles is for Seumalo to have a great summer winning the starting Center spot, and Warmack proving to be the starting LG of the Wentz Era. If that happens It’s not a big deal to ask Barbie and Wiz to move to the Bench, but it would really make no sense to have Kelce on our bench especially at his current salary
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It would also be ideal if Vaitai makes huge improvements this offseason, playing so well that the Eagles can not justify keeping him on The bench past this next season making it a no BRAINER to move on from the Jason Peters contract after This season.
“WE” YOU DON’T WORK OR PLAY FOR THE EAGLES, YOU FUCKING RETARD.
Agree on Jones.. Bummer for the kid, the Eagles, and the NFL, but I don’t want to take a chance on him (unless it’s very late in the draft, and he isn’t gonna last that long).
Disagree on the OL… Some of what we have is good, some are just guys, but the big picture (which Tommy doesn’t even mention) is that the Eagles cannot afford to keep all of them – due to cap challenges and 53 man roster limitations.
. If there is a god we will get to see Nolan Carroll in a Cowboys jersey being asked to stop Alshon Jeffrey with no safety help. Our Rivals have had potent WRs who been picking on eagle corners for years. Whether it was Nolan Carroll, Leodis, Cary Williams, Bradley Fletcher, Byron Maxwell, NFC East WRs have been terrorizing our corners for yeà rs. Unlike Last year, Carson will no longer be armed with a knife and sent into a gun fight. We finally have our own big Dog WR that can make rival corners miserable.
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Amazing how many players adding Alshon and Torrey can help:
1) Obviously they will be a big help to carson wentz who likes to be aggressive with his throws
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2) Better WRs help the OL because they won’t have to hold their blocks as long to buy time for inferior WRs tryng to get open
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3) obviously dangerous big play WRs can help out your run game because the defense won’t always be able to load the Box against The run and when they do Carson can make them pay with a big play to Alshon
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4) With defenses worrying about Alshon Jeffrey, having to respect the deep threat of Torrey Smith, while also making sure that Sproles gets Enough defensive attention on 3rd down, im really excited to see what possession Wrs like Jordan Mathews and Zack Ertz can do now that they will get so much more room to work because we finally have weapons that need to be respected.
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5)We like to call Agholar/DGB “Busts”, but we don’t talk enough about how chip kelly and the Eagles put Agholar in a bad position before he was ready to handle it. Chip made such a mess losing Maclin and Desean before having adequate replacements in place that we had to draft Agholar and literally ask the kid to fill the starting #1 WR role Day 1 as a rookie. NOT EVERY GREAT NFL WRs was able to handle that role fresh out of college, if we put a kid in a position before he is ready to handle it, I blame the coaches/Front office more than I blame the young WR. Especially since Agholar has been drowning in the pressure that comes with struggling in this city. Adding Alshon Jeffries and Torrey Smith could be the 1 thing that salvages The NFL career of Agholar and/or DGB. Adding Alshon allows those kids to take a step back out of The starting spotlight, catch their breath and work to realize their potential at a pace they Can handle. Don’t get me wrong, Agholar and DGB frustrate me as much as anyone, but it’s so early in their career and we put them in such a dysfunctipnal position that they weren’t ready to handle which means I can’t completely assume that they are hopeless Busts before even giving them a 3rd offseason to work on their craft, and a second offseason to get comfortable im the new offense which can be pretty complicated (west coast offense). Adding Alshon and Torrey could end up helping Nelson Agholar as much as it helps Carson
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6) seems like the plan for this season is to be really really younf at CB, I would like to think that giving kids like Jalen Mills a summer to battle against WRs like Alshon Jeffrey is much better for their development than practicing against Nelson Agholar, DGB, Josh Huff, Chris Givens, Rueban Randle. I’d like to think a summer of young corners having to battle against Alshon will much better prepare our young corners to face guys like DEZ bryant, Terrell Pryor, Brandon Marshall in important division games. Upping the level of competition our cornerbacks face every day in practice has to be huge for the development of jalen Mills and the rookie corners we invest draft picks in
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This is also a simple example of How 1 position can have such an effect on so many other areas, showing how much everything is intertwined in the game of football. 1 really weak and dysfunctional link in the chain can have massive trickle down effects on the rest of the team. Conversly a significant upgrade at one are can help a lot of other playërs at other positions shine
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I just think what Roseman pulled off is HUGE! To significantly upgrade such a glaring weakness without using or trading a single draft pick is just huge for us. The Eagles front office has put themselves in a position where If they can pull one of their better drafts out their ass in April, the 2017 Eagles could be much more competitive than we imagined even tho it will take two really good Offseasons to get the roster to the level we need it to be, but with a good draft we could be a lot closer than many of us anticipated we would be
Damn!! Welcome back.
I like the WR additions of course, but they are not a sure thing — Jeffery has spent a lot of time injured the last two years, and Smith was downright terrible in SF, especially last year. He was basically Agholor with better speed. He will probably play since you want his speed on the field, and would prefer Matthews in the slot, but it’s certainly possible our WR situation will be even worse a year from now — Matthews and Jeffery move on, Smith stays awful so we cut him, and we have… Agholor left.
Torrey producing would be great, but as long as he still commands the respect of the defense as a deep threat he adds value and can help/contribute to the success of our Offense. You can’t pay me enough to go back and watch tape of that abysmal 49er offense so I have to go buy what Torrey said, and when asked if losing a step contributed to his lack of production in San Fran, he responded that the coverages he faced in San Fran, and opposing #1 CB’s matched up against him showed that it’s not the case. Torrey Smith ISNT a volume WR anyway. HE ISNT a guy who will give us 8 catches per game, his value is Better measured by yards per catch. He is a big play weapon who isn’t g to produce a lot of volume, but who should still bring value because defenses respect the threat of his big play ability. I have a hard time believing that a 27 year old WR already lost a step. His yards per catch even during his two bad years in San Fran is consistent with his big play ability since entering the league:
2016 San Fran 13.4 yards per catch
2015 San Fran 20.1 yards per catch
2014 Ravens 15.7 yards per catch
2013 Ravens 17.4 yards per catch
2012 Ravens 17.4 yards per catch
2011 Ravens 16.8 yards per catch
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If it’s true that opponents still respected him as a deep threat by the coverages they threw at him, his yards per catch is pretty consistent with the rest of his career even tho he played with the worst QB play imaginable in San Fran. Obviously he will need to step up his production (volume) from last year, but it doesn’t have to be by too much and an aggressive QB who loves to throw deep playing behind a solid OL should give Torrey many more opportunities than he got the last couple of years
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For me, I have no doubts about Alshons ability. I view the addition like getting DEZ Bryant without the nightmare personality dallas has to deal with. THE ONLY REASON we had this opportunity to get this caliber of WR is because of his injury/suspension history, The kid accepted a 1yr deal with incentives knowing that missing more games would make it hard to get the type of extension he is hoping for yet he had no problems betting on himself anyway. that excites me. If he is On the field, he is going to be a legit difference maker playing with Wentz
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If Alshon and jordan Mathews have quality season I don’t think you have to worry about them leaving. Now If Alshon misses 6 games to injiry or worse gets himself suspended, then he probably won’t be back next year. but his presence also buys us more time to see what Agholar. DGB grow into before having to invest more premium draft picks in the position, since it’s very early in Agholar/DGB career to give up on kids with so much untapped potential especially when we don’t have their replacements in place
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I dont really view Alshon as a 1yr rental, and im confident that Jordan and Alshon can make enough catches to where Torrey can continue to focus on being a Homerun hitter without worrying about volume of catches. surprised that every eagle fan ISNT thrilled by the moves Roseman pulled off so far
Basically, Torrey is what we’ve all been calling for, someone who has the speed to stretch the field AND the ability to actually catch the ball and punish the defense if they dont respect the deep ball, no disrespect to Bryce Treggs.
Hopefully that addition will leave Matthews and Alshon with more space and leave some distance between the front 7 and the DBs in the running game.
I dont really see Smith having a monster season stats wise either, but his presence could be huge for out offense.
Speaking of Treggs, is Torrey Smith going to cost Treggs a spot on the roster two years in a row on opposite coasts?
Treggs the guy who parties on work nights? Hope so. DGB too.
Treggs not a fa .. hope hope DGB pans out with better leadership
Treggs’ drinking buddy.
Yeah just commanding the defenses respect with big play ability will help our offense, but as aggressive as Wentz is its likely that Torrey will get a lot more big play opportunities that he got in Chips offense last year.
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Alshon and Torrey also both bring size that should help us down in the Redzone where we struggled last year. I think going from last years WRs to this years Wrs is going to be a huge difference
I’m sorry but to paraphrase the Daniel signing:
‘Terrible. Awful. No good signing. Wasting needless cap salary dollars.”
Think the best thing that can happen this season is by the end of the season we realize that we already have the 5 starting OL of the Wentz Era already on the roster. Maybe some no name 3rd string young OL improves and proves to be a starting Gem, but our best odds of already having a quality starting OL of the future in place would Probably be something like:
RT Vaitai
RG Brooks
C. Seumalo
LG Warmack
LT Lane Johnson
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Hopefully Warmack plays like a beast in Camp earning the starting job and parlay it into a big season solidifying himself as the starting left Guard of the Wentz Era
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Obviously Lane and Jason Peters will start at Tackle, but hopefullyVaitai looks really good and shows so much growth this year that they can no longer justify keeping Vaitai on the bench past This next season
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Seumalo proves why the Eagles are a big believer in him as our future center
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As for this season,Lane/Brooks and Warmack/Jason Peters can form some really fun powerhouse run blocking tandems..
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Out of the 5 OL drafted in The top 10 of the 2013 draft, Only Lane Johnson and Eric Fisher are still on the team that drafted them. Joekel is on his way to Seattle, Chance is in philly with Lane, Jonathon Cooper has been on like 3 teams alrady I don’t even know who’s roster he is on now
Vaitai needs a big off season n season to show hes starter material.
Cooper was with the Cowgirls last season. FA now.
If he continues to exhibit the growth rate he showed over the course of his rookie year that should be enough to warrant projecting him into a starting role in year 3. We will probably continue to add OL via the draft we just need to take a break from drafting OL this year to build up the defense. Barbie also has shown to be solid at RT
Maybe Wiz starts C n Seumalo goes RT? He played better than Vaitai when he had to cover.
With the OL stacked with bodies i think Eagles could go into this draft without drafting a OL.
Interesting
I don’t think he’s a genetic freak enough – arms might be too short and he might not have ideal height either to play there. I think you want him on the interior.
Sem can play tackle in a pinch but he’s much better suited for the interior.
I thing Vaitai played really well. He needs to get stronger and experience will come with plying time, but I think he showed enough to make you optimistic. I think he’ll be an improved player this year. The pt he received last year was invaluable.
The odds are low, but I would like Dillon Gordon to end up being the second coming of Jason Peters so next year they can play Gordon at LT and keep Lane at RT.
I’d generally like to come out of this season with almost all of the early wentz era starting offense in place. On top of o line, I want to have verified WRs and rbs (i.e. Smallwood plus one). There will obviously be changes every year here and there, but I want to know the core.
Hopefully we’ll have a good sense on defense too after this year. Though with all our needs here and heavy reliance on the draft, I’m more skeptical.
My biggest disappointment this offseason has been people calling him Big V instead of HPV.
Come on man – a virus that actually make people sick, and isn’t even his initials? Not funny, not at all.
Its pretty funny though.
shutup
But how do you know it’s not his initials?
Besides: Halapoulivaati. You’ll never find a hard-to-spell name that shrinks more perfectly into a ready acronym than this. Time to take it back from that pesky virus!
In 20 years we won’t even hear about the Papilloma virus anymore. Guardisil is going to eradicate the strains that cause cancer and along with that, cervical and throat cancers.
My understanding is that Guardasil only blocks some of the more common strains. It’s going to be kicking around for a while yet, especially with the anti-vax people continuing to carry it.
Thats right it covers the most carcinogenic strains (16,18, cant remember the other 2). Those strains count for something like >95% of cancer cases. There are a TON of various HPV strains, I think over 100 but only some cause cancer. As far as anti-vaxers, i would like tp think the numbers are declining. Also, the anti-HPV vaccines are approved for girls 12-26 and also for young boys. It is sometimes difficult to have tje conversation with parents because they think by giving the vaccine, they are promoting sexual activity.
Maybe someone who understands the team dynamics can help me understand. If the team wants to pay Daniels 7M to be Wentz’s personal assistant and help him develop, why don’t they make up some coaching title and have him do that? Is there a CBA advantage to him being a player? A psychological one?
The psychological one is that Daniels has a higher salary than Pederson, probably by a few million.
Uh, I believe that Pederson actually also wants him to be the backup QB. Like – it’s not 100% mentor, 0% backup. Even if it’s the value the serves knowing the offense running the 2nd team in otas and training camp etc…
Chase was on the team before Wentz was a thought. Its nice to keep thinking that he was brought here to help Wentz. He was brought here cause hes Pedersons guy. Its great that it worked out that he can help Wentz though…some things have a funny way of working out….
Exactly. He is paid well to play at a high level, should he be needed to. Nothing else.
yes, but he sucks
We dont know that yet …hopefully we never find out while hes on the Eagles 🙂
The mentor thing is BS.
Preach. I’m not sure which is worse – everyone saying “mentor” for this guy or the rumors about ‘teams lining up to trade for him because said team will draft a young qb and will need Chase to mentor him’…
CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora reports Markus Wheaton’s contract with the Bears amounts to a one-year deal at $6 million.
The full contract is for two years at $11 million with $5 million guaranteed, and apparently $6 million in year one. It sounds like the second year on Wheaton’s deal amounts to a team option. So the Bears gave Wheaton a deal similar to Brandon Marshall’s, who landed a two-year, $11 million contract from the Giants with another $1 million available through incentives. Reports out of Chicago had the team struggling to woo free agents due to organizational instability coming off a 3-13 season. The Bears were forced to severely overpay backup-caliber players Wheaton, CB Marcus Cooper, TE Dion Sims, and QB Mike Glennon.
Nice….
Philadelphia Eagles WR Dorial Green-Beckham sees model to follow in Bears’ Alshon Jeffery…Aaron Kasinitz | akasinitz@pennlive.com
September 18, 2016
http://www.pennlive.com/philadelphiaeagles/index.ssf/2016/09/philadelphia_eagles_wr_dorial_1.html
A lazy bum in college that turned out to be pretty good in the pros? Please do start now DGB.
Seems like DF3B’s started Kyle Fuller rumour is making its rounds slowly..
Count me in on the ‘Kendricks for Fuller’ trade bandwagon.
Just posted that too… Thumbs up
Interesting…..
Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says……
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/terrelle_pryor_came_back_to_th.html
Interestingly dumb if you ask me. So he said no to a multi year deal paying him $11m/year?!
But sure if that will come back to haunt him..
Sounds like D3’s idea of Kyle fuller trade is picking up steam in the media
Jones wasn’t the best athlete and he’s light for an outside CB. The injury is going to hurt him a ton since he needed to gain 5-10 pounds and he’ll lose some athleticism.
He’s gonna have no problem gaining weight with a torn Calcaneal tendon!
I wouldn’t doubt it. There’s another breakdown on Moreau out if you still want to get a feel for him.
What I like: Big physical dude with tons of speed for his size and in general. That int from the zone was BEAUTIFUL, loved it. What I don’t like: Those hips are TIGHT and I’m afraid he’s gonna get burnt deep especially if he doesn’t turn that head! Overall: Like him in a zone, especially early in his career until he can loosen those hips up, until then give him a bit of help over the top on suspected deep balls. Wouldn’t take at 14 (which you know) but would consider in the 2nd/3rd but the physical traits may not let him last till the 3rd.
I think his hips are ok, not the best but good enough for his style of play. I agree with you on the zone part, I think he’ll be able to play on an island once he gets more experience since he uses the sidelines very well.
My biggest knock on him is his lack of aggressiveness. Despite being strong, he still goes for a strip instead of tackling. He labors through some blocks and drag tackles guys. Maybe he isn’t so strong after all?
I’m getting impressions of Xavier Rhodes from Moreau so maybe that’s why I’m high on him.
They are ok but look at like the first two snaps of that USC game…. Woof!!!!
Jones weighted 186 at the combine. The important was the been over 180 (he was reported as under 180 during his college days).
I still wouldnt take him before round 3 now (no way to know at the draft how well the achilles is doing)
If we trade Kendricks for Kyle Fuller, Haason Reddick just got very enticing at 14.
I dont understand why people are so enamored with drafting a LB high. First it was Reuber Foster, now Reddick who both have in common that they cant cover very well straight out of school.
Meanwhile we run mostly 2 LBs, and one of them is Jordan Hicks who people just wanted to move out of the way for a rookie to play MLB, fuck no. We lack depth behind Hicks and Bradham, but it’ll have to be a freaking special talent at OLB for it to make any sense to take a LB with #14, and that guy has to have good coverage skills.
Also, if we trade for Kyle Fuller, best case scenario we still only have one CB who is actually decent on the outside. Not good, not great, average and decent. Against our division.
There’s not going to be a CB at 14 that’s going to be a slam dunk either so why reach? Reddick looked okay in coverage and that’s already plenty considering the way he was used. He already has the tools and instincts so that’s not going to be much of an issue if he gets coached up. It’s like you have this mentality where guys can’t improve in the pros or something.
Have you considered that Kendricks just wasn’t good enough to be on the field? LB is a need, the only LB that will be here in 2 years will be Hicks. Reddick can be special and that’s good enough for me.
It’s fair to have the impression that guys can’t improve in the pros, considering how few times we’ve seen it lately on the Eagles.
So true.
Clocks ahead all .. good luck in the storm
Favorite CB for the lower mid rounds is Ahkello Witherspoon out of Colorado: He’s 6’3″, 200lbs, with 33” arms, 4.45 40, a 40.5 inch vert and a 6.93 3 cone. Those are impressive physical traits. Pros: Very “sticky” with WR not getting much separation at all. Agile feet and smooth back pedal, especially for a man his size. EXCELLENT in the PBU department with 23…….. that led the nation last year. Turns and looks for the ball downfield. Saw him cover a variety of routes and have success, He doesn’t seem like there is a particular route he is poor at. Has a tough attitude and learns from mistakes. Cons: Dude sucks at tackling….. If I had to score him out of 10, I’d give him a 2 or 3. It’s almost like he doesn’t understand angles in the open field. I saw this because when he can use the sideline as help, he doesn’t really have any issues. Even with all his PBU’s, he only had 3 int’s in 3 years. I watched him play against Washington and I picked this game in particular because you get to see him play against Ross.https://draftbreakdown.com/video/ahkello-witherspoon-vs-washington-2016/ First play, PI on the safety but AW runs step for step with Ross on a 9. :48-Lines up on Ross and covers the curl beautiful, if the ball comes there, its getting knocked down. You also notice how he doesn’t need to play way off even with how fast Ross is making it easier to cover the curl. 1:14 Cover Ross on the Go route again. No separation. 1:36 Shows how crappy of a tackler he is. Has a chance to stop the td but lets the runner bowl him over. 2:17 gets burnt by Ross for the dropped td throw but learns from this mistake later. 2:45 Washington tries to get it to Ross in the RZ again with the same route but AW doesn’t give it up this time. Overall he seems like a CB you can leave out on an island against a variety of WR. I feel like his ability to learn from mistakes as showcased above is very appealing. He is a garbage tackler but you pay CBs to stop the pass and with 23 PBU’s thats what he is going to to. He doesn’t draw PI calls and in the passing game he is ALWAYS around the ball. I would feel comfortable with a 3/4th on this guy because his pass defense is really impressive. However, you will gamble a bit on whether or not you can teach him how to tackle.
I haven’t watched any of his tape yet but he sounds like a #2 CB.
For him to be a “#1” I feel like he needs to have just a little more i.e. more ints, a bit better tackling, some sacks, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLtxQ5W5hHM WATCH HEATH EVANS BENCH THE WORLD!!!!!!! Where do I sign? Shut up and take my money Heath!!!
Already blocked.
I figured but you can still click the link to YouTube, right?
On NFLN awhile back. Too many bench presses drains blood from the brain, right?
no PEDs testing for commentators?
Looks like Pats couldn’t ship butler b/c he wouldn’t sign his tender
I am bizarrely overjoyed by this. Love me some Nickfolsian Dynamite. As Schefter suggests it probably means we have a trade in place for Chase.
Wentz better watch out.
Farewell Chase, we barely knew ye
Nick Foles returns from Wentz he came.
Suddenly, I am wondering if the Foles rumor are true or not… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/32be4b2e2001667e5e52bdec80db8443babcbf808b041fe8db6549b7ff41f928.png