Q & A
Posted: March 22nd, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 207 Comments »You guys have asked some questions in the past week or so and I’ll address as many as I can.
Do you think the Eagles draft Dalvin Cook at 14? No, I don’t. I am not a big fan of spending 1st round picks on RBs. As I’ve written here, Cook is the kind of special player that could make me make an exception to that. He was a great player for Florida State the past 3 years and would be a terrific fit in the Eagles offense. But…there are just too many issues with him. Character. Medical. Fumbles. Bad showing at the Combine. Cook is incredibly talented, but you want a pick that high to be someone you’re really comfortable with.
All that said, I am judging things from the outside. The Eagles met Cook. They talked to him. They had their doctors check him out. They could come away from that feeling different. It is possible he will be in the mix at 14, but I think that is a long shot.
What will happen at RB? Howie Roseman talked about aggressively addressing the position. That doesn’t mean pick 14 will be used. Heck, that doesn’t even mean it will be a 2nd round pick. The Eagles are checking out a lot of RBs and they will have a few targeted. They might like a guy who is going to be a 4th round pick. Or they might hope Cook slides into the 2nd round and they’ll go get him. They know it is important to find a talented RB to pair with Wentz. They will choose a few and hope to land one of those guys.
Wouldn't you rather have McCaffrey? Better in every combine metric, had better hands and route running https://t.co/ASb3o41NhC
— Andrew Reichel (@Andrew_Reichel) March 18, 2017
McCaffrey is a terrific player and he would be a real interesting addition to the offense. I know some people doing mock drafts have had him going to the Eagles at 14. I like McCaffrey, but I just don’t know that he’s the 14th best player in this class. That feels a bit rich to me. You question the wisdom of using a pick that high on a RB. The argument for him is that he also is a gifted receiver and returner so he can handle multiple roles. I would be surprised if the Eagles went for him at 14.
In regard to character questions, didn’t the Eagles show you what they think by signing Mike Vick back in 2009? Fair question. The answer is yes and no. That did show that Jeffrey Lurie is willing to keep an open mind and take chances on players. At the same time, Vick was coming out of federal prison. He had paid for his crimes in a major way. That’s different that hitting a woman and facing relatively minimal repercussions.
Also, the Eagles didn’t invest anything in Vick. He didn’t cost a draft pick. He was cheap to sign. If the Eagles spend a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on a turd and he gets in trouble, that’s essentially throwing that pick away. That can hurt a franchise for several years. I do think Lurie will have an open mind and listen to his football people, but this is a very different situation.
@lawlornfl if Revis is willing to play for the league minumum signing him should be a no brainer for the Eagles, no?
— C (@ChriseNYC) March 21, 2017
Won’t happen. Revis wants good money. I’ve read somewhere that he won’t play for less than $8M per year. I could be off on the amount by a little, but it was a report I saw recently. I have no interest in Revis at that kind of price. If he was available cheap, maybe. Honestly, though, the Eagles really should focus on finding long term solutions at CB. The constant shuffling of starting CBs is bad. They need to find a couple of guys they can play and develop. There would be some growing pains, but that would really benefit the team in the long term.
@lawlornfl Hi Tommy, any chance the Birds are expecting Alex McCalister to step up and contribute this year?
— Haiku Sports Guy (@HaikuSportsGuy) March 20, 2017
I’m sure the Eagles would love McCalister to take a big step forward. He has a terrific frame and he has bulked up from last summer. I do not know if he is big enough and strong enough to handle NFL blockers. McCalister is a natural pass rusher and showed good potential at Florida so there is something to work with. This isn’t hoping some slappy at the bottom of the roster magically finds talent. McCalister does have NFL ability. It would certainly help if he could contribute this year.
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A few of you have asked about pass rushers in the 1st round. I think there is a decent chance the Eagles take a DE. Derek Barnett from Tennessee is the most logical target, due to value, fit and the whole package. I will write up a post on DEs that the Eagles could consider at 14.
I know a lot of people think the Eagles will go CB at 14. That is a great fit in terms of need. The Sidney Jones injury takes away a player who would be the right value. I’m not sure about other CBs being worth pick 14.
I will say that the more I watch Marlon Humphrey from Alabama, the more he grows on me.
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Report on the Sidney Jones injury:
“His surgeon, Dr. Robert Anderson, wasn’t as certain about when Jones
will return but acknowledged the possibility of a 2017 return. The
injury isn’t as severe as some Achilles tendon injuries can be,
according to the report. Jones suffered a higher rupture of the tendon,
rather than an “insertional” tear that can require a longer recovery,
Anderson told USA Today.”
The higher the year the more blood flow, the more blood flow the quicker the recovery. High enough and it eventually becomes a muscle tear instead of a tendon. That’s excellent news for Jones
Would you sleep with an ugly girl who’s got a nice character?
Is it closing time?
(2) 5’s do equal a 10
Am I drunk? Is she?
The correlation between alcohol and the beauty…
Between Saturday night and Sunday morning…
Question . . .
What’s the exit strategy?
My only question is how many times has she been struck with the ugly stick?
Few things: “This isn’t hoping some slappy at the bottom of the roster magically finds talent.” LOL I like Humphrey as well. Besides Jones, before he got hurt, I think Humphrey was my favorite at CB in round 1. One of two mocks you’ll see from me until the draft: 1. Corey Davis WR/ Marlon Humphrey CB – Could see a DE here too and honestly its just the best player. These two are my favorites for round 1 beside Solomon Thomas but I doubt he drops that far.
2. Quincy Wilson CB – Solid overal corner who is probably a bit better than Teez.
3. Ahkello Witherspoon CB-Super stick corner with terrible tackling. If he could wrap up he would be a high second or a first.
4. Daeshhon Hall DE – Seems like a bit of a project with a lot of upside. LONG DE
4. Dawuane Smoot DE – Played better last year than the most recent but still an interesting prospect.
5. Brian Hill RB – Big back, good speed, decent agility.
6. Justin Senior OT – Seems to need help with technique and size but has potential. Not sure where the OT situation is at with Lane, JP, HPV, Gordon but why not add another?
7. Stevie Tu’ikolovatu DT- Big ‘ol boy at 330 but he’s older for a prospect at 26 BUT he is a Pacific Islander so….
I hear Danny Watkins was a 26 yo Samoan Fireman….. no confirmation of the Samoan part though.
I heard he was a first responder during the fire at Father Time’s residence and in a gesture of gratitude, Watkins is still a 26 y/o fireman….
I’m really favoring the idea of taking a WR (or even TE is the team thinks he will be a play maker) in round 1. My fear is that one way or another Alshon does’t return tot he team in 2018 (due to injury, suspension, or just not playing well) and the team is left with a pedestrian receiving core again.
I like your double dip at the DE position; especially if they can grow into the roles in rotation with Curry, Graham and Smith.
Wilson doesn’t seem to like contact, and that may be a hang up to drafting him; say what you will about Mills, but he’s not afraid to mix it up. Like the Witherspoon pick as well– for both of these guys, if it can be fixed with “motivation” and coaching, go for it.
Again, I’ll be the Corey Davis drum. If he’s there, that’s my guy. If we are unable to land him, hopefully we can invest a pick by Round 4 on another developmental guy that can be groomed to replace our soon thinning WR corpse.
Given these descriptions, I’m doubting they take these CBs. I think Schwartz prefers “competitors” at CB who relish contact over guys who cover well but don’t really like contact. Given the way the offseason has worked so far, it really looks like CB may be a spot where Schwartz is willing to go “cheap” so that he can focus resources down the middle (DT, MLB, S). Even DE is somewhat devalued – I think the wide 9 is an attempt to squeeze performance out of lesser assets. Just my guess at what they’re prioritizing. I’m eager to see what the draft reveals about the type of team they’re trying to build.
Wilson has no problem with contact and its not that Witherspoon is contact adverse, he just doesn’t know how to tackle. It’s not that he isn’t willing, he literally doesn’t understand angles.
You are correct when you say that Schwartz wants to build the middle of his defense. In this scheme, corners are important but they are not the MOST important. Pressure from the Front 4 and LB’s to fit in behind the line. Safeties to clean up.
Corners are important and hopefully we draft 2 or 3, but I’m thinking that’s more from a fan perspective rather than a scheme/coaching preference.
Baby steps at CB I guess, we’ll go from can’t cover or tackle to maybe can’t cover and tackle.
That’s how all the prospects in the draft are. NONE of these guys have shown the ability to cover in the NFL. Even Lattimore and all you’ll get out of him is covering a go route for 2 games, get beat a town underneath and then miss 7-10 games a year with hamstring problems….
I don’t know about that. Lattimore, Conley, and Jones have. Humphrey has to some extent. I really don’t like Quincy Wilson. Stiff hips and can’t tackle is not someone who I want on the team.
Jones=>Humphrey>Conley>Lattimore IMO. One is out with Achilles, one is a possibility, one isn’t good enough for 14 but won’t last till 11 in the second and one is a athletic project.
Lattimore >> Jones > Conley >>> Humphrey. Lattimore is the unanimous top CB in the draft. Jones isn’t worth picking until the 4th now. Conley and Humphrey are guys I would trade back for.
The only CBs who I would take in the 2nd are Moreau, White, King and Awuzie.
Not sure Wilson gets to us in the second.
Seems like a prime candidate for the 15-25 range.
Nice to see Big Stevie on here!
Stevie T gets my vote just because I’d like to hear announcers avoid pronouncing his name. It would also be cool to see if it fits on the back of his jersey.
14 seems too high for Barnett. What does he bring that’s different from Curry? Maybe he’s a touch faster.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/derek-barnett
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/vinny-curry
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/2/12/14554500/derek-barnett-scouting-report-production-vs-potential
I mean…you just showed us that he’s more athletic and explosive while dealing with a vicious flu (he couldn’t keep fluids down the day before his workout) than Curry is while totally healthy.
And that scouting report pretty much describes Brandon Graham. Barnett would be a great fit in Schwartz’s defense.
I’m not sold. I like Barnett. He’s a good player. I don’t know if he’s Schwartz’s ideal DE. We have Graham and Curry and that’s a lot of resources tied up in that type of DE.
He doesn’t have elite quickness on tape and many moves. I also think you can do better than Graham at 14 in this draft. I wouldn’t trade the 14th pick for Graham or the rookie Graham..
I would 100% trade the 14th pick for a healthy, not-yet-21 year old version of Brandon Graham, if I had Jim Schwartz running my defense.
That doesn’t sell me. If it’s because of Schwartz , that’s all the more reason you can get a DE later in a deep draft. This was the first year Graham even started close to 16 games and he’s 28.
Yes, Chip Kelly is an incompetent moron whose inflexible defensive “philosophy” sabotaged the team for his entire tenure, by preventing us from maximizing our defensive potential.
What’s your point?
Actually Graham did improve under Billy Davis.
Someone started watching the Eagles in 2013!
Are you kidding? I’d trade pick 14 for a rookie healthy Graham in a heartbeat
I’d prefer to trade back or take a DE later if we’re going DE I’d rather have Trent Cole and Takk McKinley is like a quicker Cole. He needs to add weight but so did Cole. Takk has had shoulder surgery which is an issue but we’re drafting a DE for the future anyway.
Graham’s sacks just aren’t high enough to go ahead of Davis or a CB or trade back and we already have Graham and a lot of money tied up in our DL and nothing in our starting CBs so I’d allocate to CB and edge later. Say what you want about hurries, I want more sacks with a high pick in a great draft. It’s not like Graham is big or versatile enough to move to DT on passing downs so I expect a DE like that taken so high to get to the QB.
Graham’s had 29 career sacks in 7 years . Cole had 68 in his first 7 years.
In my untrained opinion, Graham essentially is Trent Cole with less sacks. Both are great against the run, both get more pressure than you would think from their sack numbers. Both are kinda shorter squatty guys.
I’d love for Barnett to continue that tradition hopefully with more sacks than either of them
I am not high on Barnett. He is a very safe pick, but with limited ceiling. I think I’d take Tak McKinley, Charles Harris, and TJ Watt ahead of Barnett.
TJ Watt is becoming more and more appealing. He will need time to add weight, but he is such a dynamic athlete the pay off could be huge.
I don’t know why but I am wondering if there could be another off the wall pick here. I think that we could be looking at Obi Meliwonfu from UConn. He has incredible measurables and we know how much Howie likes guys who are multifaceted. He could play corner but also slide into FS if Jenkins moves to the slot, is hurt, or loses a step. The Pats and Eagles have spent a lot of time with him and the Eagles were front and center at his Pro Day today. I actually think he’d be a perfect fit for us because he could help cover multiple possible problematic spots on D at once.
If last year proves anything, it’s that Jenkins shouldn’t be playing slot.
Mixon and Vick both plead guilty, and accepted the punishments deemed fitting by our court systems.
Vick was punished much more severely, because running an illegal gambling ring that profits on barbaric animal cruelty is a much more serious crime, and demonstrates far more premeditation, than an 18 year old punching someone (way, way, unconscionably) too hard after they shoved and smacked him.
That was the last post, bro.
WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK, YOU DUMBFUCK!!!
It could be that the BPA available at #14 is a LB and/or a TE. Eagles say they want a difference -maker, implying trading down is less likely. What should they do? And how would this impact the remainder of the draft?
They’ll take who they like better. I doubt Howie, Doug, and Schwartz are happy with the state of the team right now.
I’d guess they would have already traded up in that situation.
Probably have 10 guys targeted at 14. If 7 of them go off the board in the top 10 Howie’s working to move up.
Interesting take, which makes me think that Eagles really want one or two or maybe even three of the lesser QB’s to be drafted infront of them so that no move up is necessary. Ths more QB’s who go early, the better the quality of choices, from the Eagles perspective, at #14.
I’d bet everything that Howie’s hoping for a top 15 run on QBs.
I’m planning on getting thrown off of the internet over electronic harassment of multiple teams if 3 QBs don’t go before our pick.
Optimal 2-3 QBs, 1-2 RBs (I could see the Eagles picking Fournette if he drops to 14, but it is not happening) and 2 safeties (None of the two top safeties should drop anywhere near us) go top 10
disappointed that
self-proclaimed haiku guy
whiffed on his tweet
OT:
What are the odds that Embiid will ever play a full NBA season?!
95%
Ha. I would have guessed just the opposite: 5%.
My bad, I misread your question. I read it to say what are the odds he will NEVER play a full NBA season.
Therefore, I agree with your 5%
40%
And by full I mean 60 games or more
I don’t particularly like the idea of a corner who reportedly struggles at what our defense struggled at last year: stopping big plays in the passing game
to the college football experts. “How does Barnette compare to Bosa from last year?
Hopefully not on as many PEDs
Why not? Let him grow until he gets caught- a bunch of the league follows this pattern.
Bosa had better agility times and a more diverse pass rushing arsenal and was a little bit longer.
Both have good hand usage.
I think Barnett has a career similar to Brian Orakpo.
Somebody on twitter the other day made a comment along the lines of Barnett isn’t at the top of the wishlist at 14 but he’d be a solid pick and you could get on board really easily. I would agree with that.
Just curious, who’s at the top of your reasonable wishlist? How far down would Barnett be?
Ranked by preferable outcome using a combination of talent/need/opportunity cost:
Thomas
Humphrey
Mike WIlliams
Trade back to pick up a 3rd and a 2018 2nd and target:
Conley
Awuzie
Brantley
Harris
Ross
Stay put and take:
Barnett
Corey Davis
He would probably be fourth or fifth out of a potential guys who could be there.
Barnett is a B+ pick. It’s a relatively safe pick for a long term above average/fringe pro bowl starter at a premium position.
Thanks, I’m on board with that. I would definitely have to consider jumping on the Roseman bandwagon if he could get Solomon for a reasonable price. I’m fairly agnostic between Humphrey, Barnett, Williams, and Davis.
I am afraid that we will see the following scenario in this year’s draft:
Pats trade Butler to the Saints for pick #32 and then draft McCaffrey with the last pick of the first round.
And BB will keep laughing at all the other 31 NFL teams…
So what?
The Pats are the only team that I see that can get the most out of him.
I think the Saints, broncos, texans, colts, chiefs, packers could also.
Saints, Broncos, and Colts have bad OL so I doubt they want a finesse runner. Andy already has his multi-purpose guy in Hill. Packers could use him but they sort of have the same guy in Ty Montgomery.
McCaffrey should be able to be used like a Westbrook imo.
He will be used in that fashion but probably in moderation. Westbrook had a good frame and low center of gravity so it was harder to tackle him. I can’t say the same for McCaffery.
Yeah he’s a little more compact but I see a lot of similarity with McCaffrey having a tad quicker feet.
https://youtu.be/mVEWZV4akk4
https://youtu.be/m969qFV-rFY
Westbrook had better burst. McCaffery only has average burst which is why I don’t think he’ll ever be a RB1. 40 times can be misleading since Fournette ran slower than McCaffery but not many people were catching him once he hit that second gear.
The play which Westbrook accomplished against the Bucs when he took the dump pass 50+ yards and broke 5 tackles is my all time favorite. Then again, losing on a 62 yard field goal was murderous, especially considering we gave them 30 yards in unsportsmanlike penalties. Sad!
Sproles disagrees that the Saints could get the most out of him.
Most of those teams have zero clue on how to use a RB like McCaffrey.
Outside of Chiefs, Eagles and Pats. I have zero trust in the other teams to fully use him right.
The Packers despite been a WCO team uses their RB so little and cant even use Montgomery right
This is a virtual guarantee. I would put money on the pats running away with McCaffrey and having him run circles around defenses all through next years playoffs.
So if we’re going to build one around Humphrey at 14 (because I doubt Barnett and Davis are there..)
Round 1 Pick 14: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama (B)
Round 2 Pick 11: Jarrad Davis, ILB, Florida (B)
Round 3 Pick 10: Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah (A)
Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M (B+)
Round 5 Pick 11: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B-)
Round 6 Pick 10: Stevie Tu’ikolovatu, DT, Southern California (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: T.J. Logan, RB, North Carolina (A-)
Who is this Corn Elder fellow? I never heard his name before; )
Respect the Elder.
Im just not a fan of Humphhrey at 14. I do not think he is going to be good in this league.
I think he will be the best CB out of this class.
After the Jones injury or b4?
Good question… My view on him was slightly higher than Jones pre-injury. I would have honestly been happy (psyched out of my mind) with either. Now, I’m secretly hoping the Eagles find a way to land both.
This is a lot more reasonable than some of the others I’ve seen you put up. I think Asiata has to slip to 5 for them to consider him the best value, given current inside depth. Switch him with Corn and it’s a wrap. Even better would be Awuzie at 2 and another DL in the 4th.
The “reasonable” level of the drafts really has to do with wherever the site choose to rate the guys at any given point. As it gets closer to draft day, there are less weird outcomes on it.
With Elder and Humphrey ain’t no WR tryna run a bubble screen
As long as that winds up with dead Beckham if the Giants try to run it…………….
So, I think this settles the first round pick discussion. On to round two.
https://twitter.com/nflhumor/status/844675412387123200
Not being a guy who pays attention to the college game this video certainly confirmed where I DON’T want to go in the first.
What if he performs better at his Pro Day? Maybe a Dylan tune?
“Wentz says, “Tum, this running game’s killing me.”
As the smile ran away from his face
“Well I’m sure the OL’d seal ’em off,
If we could just run it to space.”
It could also be taken as a bad omen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J8EGE7FIbA
How do i fix my yahoo password on my Android phone now that ive changed it ? I tried in the settings but i got rejected …
Sorry but this is the only website i ever ever look at
Serious response here, open a free Gmail account. Yahoo has been hacked several times.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699215-2017-nfl-draft-biggest-questions-still-facing-top-prospects
Some good nuggets here, but the thing about Cook is crazy.
If Allen drops to 12-20 area, I hope the Eagles pick him. I trust his shoulders more than Ross’s injury history or Lattimore’s hamstrings.
That’s my sleeper pick in Round 1- Allen is my guy if he starts to slide into the range of 10-12. If he’s there, we should get him. He can be used all over the line, and with Cox they could create match-up nightmares as the season progresses.
I think the 1st round pick is a DT, so Allen makes a lot of sense.
I’ve also seen Brantley mocked to us, but usually later in Round 1 or for a trade up in Round 2. Either way, I think we’ll try to use a premium asset to strengthen any position on the DL and then back fill with BPA/team needs after that……….. love to see us add three prospects to the secondary as a whole.
A lot of analysts and fans are clamoring for 2 starting CB’s. Not going to happen. Mills has one position on lock down, and unless someone severely out plays him or he gets injured before the season- he’s going to be one of our starting corners. Building up the DL will be the first and second priority; everything falls in line after that………. TV analysts and commentators will probably crucify the team for not drafting for team needs, but my hunch is that Schwartz would LIKE a good CB tandem, but he NEEDS an elite defensive line to make the unit work together as it should.
I’m glad the draft will be here in a month; would be a fun experience to go and see in person, but I’ll spend Thursday and Friday night glued to my TV and Igglesblitz instead.
Agree. This team has almost always prioritized pass rushers over DBs (even when putting big resources into the secondary). All things equal the BPA between a DL and a CB is almost always going to be DL.
Maybe not the purest form of BPA, but as far as team construction and make up- we will prioritize asset allocation more towards the DLine rather than CB (as you stated). Part of that is the Wide 9 configuration which (in theory) should funnel the running plays towards the middle of the field rather than outside. The DE’s can protect the CB’s in that regard (as well as in pass rushing situations).
We just need competence at CB, but we need game changers at DL. Most likely the DL would have demolished people last year if we’d had bare competence at CB.
I think it’s more like 35 days, but then who’s counting……EVERYONE!
Even with Mills, there are two other CB positions to fill. The D clearly suffers when Jenkins has to move down into the slot.
I’m not disagreeing with you- we should probably look at adding 3 new CB’s as well as an upgrade at Safety depth. But I don’t see us drafting more than 2 CB’s and hopefully we can land an UFA or two as well.
Jenkins playing Safety is 10x better than Jenkins playing CB/slot.
Right. He’s solid in the slot, but a playmaker when he’s allowed to use his brains and athleticism to read plays and react.
If he slips and the team doctors have cleared him, it would be the best possible pick. But he would have to be in for a visit for this to even be a possibility.
“Howie Roseman talked about aggressively addressing the position.” — I guess they’ve seen enough of Smallwood/Marshall/Watson to know that none of these guys(or a combo of them) can carry this offense. Talk about decimation to a position. Is that to say the starting 2018 rb isn’t on this roster yet? OUCH. But, can’t build a championship level team in year 2. Keep building, address “something” this year in the draft. Address the rest next year. If Eagles some how find 2 players to help out of this draft, I’d be happy.
Let’s not hamstring our defense. #HumphreyforCB2017
No Balls Skills, No Thank You!
This is from Daniel Jeremiah:
Humphrey has an outstanding combination of size, speed and toughness. At his best in press coverage, he is patient and flashes a quick two-hand jam. He has the speed to turn and mirror vertical routes, and he’s fluid to open up underneath. In off coverage, he isn’t as consistent. He plays out of a side turn and has struggled vs. double moves. His biggest issue is playing the ball down the field. He’s normally in position, but he loses too many 50-50 balls to wide receivers. He is an aggressive run defender who has an edge to him after the play is over. Overall, Humphrey has starting ability, but his ball awareness down the field is a major concern.
but he loses too many 50-50 balls to wide receivers
Let’s hope the Cowboys draft him so he’ll match up against AJ…
20 years old.
What does age have to do with ball skills? Either you have them or you don’t.
…And that was how Dave found himself listed on the Megan’s Law List.
What is your definition of balls skills?
I didn’t know their were multiple definitions.
Ball Skills = awareness of where the football is in the air.
Offense – Ags has no ball skills, Alshon has phenomenal ball skills.
Defense – Nolan Carroll has no ball skills, Richard Sherman has exceptional ball skills.
Marcus Cooper = Richard Sherman?
You have part of it right. Ball skills is the ability to play the ball when it’s in the air. It’s the ability to pick the ball off (hands), twisting around to break up a pass (body control) and having a feel of when the ball will arrive if you don’t turn your head around (instincts).
Well shoot if you either have it or you don’t, might as well not put in any work after middle school. Forget the drills and practice, you can’t get better anyway! This is the game against Clemson:https://draftbreakdown.com/video/marlon-humphrey-vs-clemson-2016-2/ Please go to 3:15 and watch him turn and look for the ball. The PI call was bull, he was in position and he made the play. If he can and look once he can do it again. Not sure if I EVER saw Nolan turn. I think part of the reason he needs work is that he can be beat deep due to some footwork inconsistency. However, I went back and watched the 4 games from 2016 and he didn’t give up a deep td against the likes of Clemson (Williams), A&M (Reynolds), Tennessee or Auburn. I’m not gonna say that turning is his strength but I also wouldn’t say its something he can’t get better at.
By that method of thinking, anyone can be a 300 hitter and play pro baseball if they just practice hard.
Theoretically yes. Practically no. Like I said, will ot be his strength? No. Can he get better? Yes.
That same thinking is why teams keep signing Nolan Carroll to be a starter, yet he’s never gotten better at locating the ball in the air.
He’s also almost 30 right? Its a cyclical debate. I respect your opinion and I understand the hesitation with Humphrey.
I guess I just long for the days when we complained why our CBs kept breaking up passes and not getting more interceptions.
Ball skills are just an added bonus. Having a lockdown CB is much nicer than having a decent CB who could get 4-6 picks a year.
He’s not close to lockdown tho..
“In off coverage, he isn’t as consistent. He plays out of a side turn and has struggled vs. double moves.”
We need to prevent 20+ yard big plays that killed us last year. Why do people want to keep hemorrhaging big plays?
It’s what he can be. I doubt he’ll develop ball skills in the NFL.
FYI – Revis has offset language from the Jets. Revis is getting 6 million next year as a minimum.
I doubt anyone will sign him for 8 million. But it is realistic that he could be signed to a minimum or nearly minimum contract since the Jets would be on the hook for most of it.
Except then he would be playing for free, right?
If he is getting 6 million from the Jets, I imagine he set a price for how much learning a new team and new system and another season of punishment is worth to him, and he decided it would take 2 million. If that is his position, he is going to be tough to sway.
Revis and Nnamdi seem to be on similar career arcs. Both were All-Pro at age 29. Both fell off a cliff in terms of production by 31. Nnamdi was out of the league at 32.
Is it mental or physical? Considering Charles Woodson played until he was 39 and Darrell Green until he was 42, I imagine it is more mental.
Woodson and Green were the exceptions. Father time can be pretty cruel.
But yes, the grind of training camp / preseason can be quite harsh, especially when going to an unknown situation on a new team, and having to build relationships with a bunch of new people. If he had been contemplating retirement, the $6 million to simply sit at home must be pretty tempting. And if he’s just playing for the money rather than the love of the game at this point… not sure you’d want to sign him, since he may well not be worth that money.
Woodson and Green were Freaks.
Found this from 2015. They say peak age for CB is 27. After that, play declines.
http://socalledfantasyexperts.com/aging-curve-nfl-defensive-players-dl-lb-db
Here’s one for fun when we signed Nnamdi titled How Do Elite Cornerbacks Perform After Turning 30?
http://thebiglead.com/2011/07/30/how-do-elite-cornerbacks-perform-after-turning-30/
Comparing peek Revis to Peek Asomugha is laughable. Different leagues entirely.
Not sure what you’re talking about, they’re 4 years apart in age. The NFL has not changed much in the past 4 years.
I’m saying that at his best, Revis was probably the best corner of all time, or at least top 3.
Asomugha not even close.
Playing for free; now you’re talking!
If the CB injury trend continues we might end up with a Punter in round 1..
now who’s injured?
Moreau. His injury was worse than previously thought. Torn pectoral muscle.
Okay, so Davis in the first, McAffery in the second, Sydney in the third, Elder and Moreau in the 4th.
2018 = Super Bowl.
Make it 2024.
Too specific. Just draft Mayock’s top rated CB every time we’re on the clock. Easy mode.
Hicks tore his pec and look how that turned out!
Fair enough hairy muff.
How long is the recovery time normally?
Torn pec? He’s looking at 6 months to a full year off to recovery. Takes a while depending on where and how its torn. If he tore it doing bench press, he may be back by the late middle of the season.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000674312/article/desmond-bryant-tears-pectoral-muscle-has-surgery
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/05/football_players_ever-inceasin.html
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2016/8/2/12353850/bengals-rookie-cb-william-jackson-iii-has-torn-pec
In other words:
Red-shirting injured rookies will. not. work.
Probably; if he’s there in the 4th, maybe he’s worth a shot. From what I can tell its 6-12 months, depending on the severity. In his case, I’d have him wait a full year- the learning curve plus rehab would be a lot for anyone to overcome, especially a rookie.
Trust the process..
Depends on the injury. Torn Pec not as big of a deal as taking a guy with a shattered knee.
The Pec will be fine in year 2 while the knee injury might never heal(lattimore, The LB the Cowboys drafted).
Depends on how bad the tear is. We wont know until the report comes out. Pec tear is much less severe than an Achilles which is good for him.
Jim Mora – his injury isn’t anything serious
He has a torn pec. Thanks Jim.
Or a harmonicist…
(What? That’s a word. I am almost certain.)
Well, you coulda gone with “Mouth Organist.”
Let’s stash this one away, ,just in case he ends up on a division rival.
Better than being a pianist.
Well written again Tommy and thanks for the continued content you provide.
Speaking of the RB position, I share the same sentiment that you should never draft one in the first round, unless he is a once in a decade type of talent.
However with my very untrained eye, I thought and still think that Fournette is that type of talent, and not Cook or Mcaffrey.
His highlight reel is amazing and beyond what I saw in the other two backs.
I could see Mcaffrey in the second if he’s still there at pick 11.
Curious thought in regards to 1st Rd Selection:
RB – Avg. Career Length & RB – Average “Bust” Potential if drafted (out of league after rookie contract)
CB – Avg. Career Length & CB – Average “Bust” Potential if drafted (out of league after rookie contract)
I feel I see more CB Draftee Busts than any other position. CB I feel is more of a resource dependent position, meaning you need to throw as many bodies at that position annually to dig up talent year in and year out. IMO I think a 1st Rd. RB may be more of a “lock” in terms of a player at least having a mediocre career.
Sidenote: The indicating factor that increased career length of any position significantly is a Pro-Bowl nomination according to some quick Internet research.
from now on Im gonna proofread your crapola, til then Im watching you
excellent, I could use a proof-reader (one or two words?)
Did you ask Trent Richardson for his opinion on that? I know it is easy to point out one huge bust, but there is more than that at RB. While the bust rate isn’t consistent from position to position, the potential is always there.
What I don’t think is disputable is that the RB position is more dependent on the players around the RB than any other position. A great RB with a terrible OL (Todd Gurley) just cannot perform at an elite level, while an average RB (Darren McFadden 2015) with an elite OL will be towards the top of the league. This is the reason that I don’t believe in investing 1st rounders in the RB position. Even Zeke Elliot is no guarantee to be great every year – if they have a rash of injuries on the OL, or the QB play is so bad that teams can stack the box, he will be an average RB. Get a guy in the 4th that can be 90% of Dalvin Cook, invest in the OL (like we have done) and be done with it.
Ok, naming a player that busts at a position doesn’t mean anything, there is a bust at every position in the first round that has been drafted in the first round. What he is saying is what position is more likely to be a bust. You say Trent Richardson I say Dee Milliner.
Didn’t read past the first sentence I guess
Looking back over the past few years, it seems like 1st Rd CB’s have been very successful or very bad.
ultimately I am saying CB has been OVER-DRAFTED in recent years vs. RB being UNDER-DRAFTED in recent years, mainly just due to the valuation of RB in the league, but because there are so few workhorse RB’s anymore, doesn’t that mean a generational RB talent should be worth more in terms of the whole position group, i.e. I think there are more #1 Capable CB’s in the league now than there are workhorse type RB’s.
If you could be sure that any of these guys were a generational talent, then sure. But you cant be. As a matter of fact there is pretty much a consensus that none of them are better than last years first rounder – Elliott.
You acknowledge that there is a low valuation of RB in league these days. That means that people who know a lot more about football than any of us agree that the position just isn’t worth that kind of investment (with the caveat that if you have an outstanding OL and good QB and you think you are a RB away from a juggernaut offense you may pull the trigger on the RB)_.
I believe the reason that the position is valued that way is because the performance of the RB position is so highly dependent on the performance of other positions. If you have a great OL and decent WR’s and QB you can put a league average guy back there and get 95% the production of the best back in the league. Therefore – concentrate on building up those other positions where that isn’t the case and put an above average guy back there and you are in great shape and can spend that first rounder somewhere else.
So doing a little reading on Christian McCaffrey. He was 5/8″ taller than Shady and the same weight but yet I keep reading how he can’t be an every-down running back.
I do find his profile at Mockdraftable interesting as his 2 most-comparable
https://www.mockdraftable.com/embed/christian-mccaffrey?position=HB&page=GRAPH
https://www.mockdraftable.com/embed/christian-mccaffrey?position=HB&page=MEASURABLES
https://www.mockdraftable.com/embed/christian-mccaffrey?position=HB&page=COMPARISONS
Spoiler:
Both Smallwood and Barner are on that list- quite amazing. Never figured out why Barner wasn’t more of a factor on the field- always seemed like there were glimpses of talent but he would always work himself off of the field.
On a related topic– Who returns kickoffs for us this year? Barner took over for Huff, now they are both gone. Smallwood had that TD against the ‘Skins, but he looks to be one of the primary RB’s in the rotation; do they risk him to injury on returns?
From the roster as it stands it’s Smallwood. Unless he turns into Brian Westbrook “injury risk” shouldn’t be a factor. E.g. Sproles will still be primary PR.
We’ll probably see a rookie compete for the job too.
Doesn’t Torrey Smith return kicks? He might get a shot, along with Smallwood, McAffery, and Corn Elder.
I see what you did there
No. I don’t think Torrey has ever returned kicks. 2 in his career
“The return of the (boy)king”
Nelson Aglohor. Time for him to step up.
I don’t know if I’d be able to watch games with Ags trying to catch kicks.
Shady has been injury prone as a lead RB.
huh? Maybe after leaving Philly
He was banged up here too.
Id rather have TJ Logan because he can be had in the 4/5th round. Similar player with more speed. I don’t want any RB at 14.
If Foster is there at 14 how do you pass on on Luke Skywalker..I mean Kuechly 2.0???. Dude is arguably the best player in the draft. No way he makes it to 14 but one can dream.One thing is I know you can’t teach instincts . See ball get ball. That’s foster. I would love to have “controlled chaos” on this team. Let’s hope teams ahead of us overdraft the QB’s and push Foster down .Looking at you Jets, cardinals and 49ers and Browns.
But just like Carolina did in the Kuechly draft I think Cincy will screw us .
No thanks
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Alshon calling out BLG. I like him even more now.
https://twitter.com/TheWorldof_AJ/status/845052595693637634
Wasn’t BLG, read more carefully.
Ditto
“After reading this tidbit about Jeffery, I can’t help but wonder if the advice Schefter gave him influenced his decision to sign a one-year deal with the Eagles.”
This quote is from BLG, not Schefter.
What is a BLG?
Brandon Lee Gowton. He runs bleedinggreennation.com
Gotcha. I’m familiar with him, but had never seen him referred to via BLG.
lol, I though you were joking when you asked who BLG was.
much better websight than this pile of dooky thread
From the Google…
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Beat Lazy Giants
Could be Eagles DE Brandon Lee Graham (yes thats his full name)
BLG is discussing the MMQB article that tells the story about Alshon calling Shefter. It’s pretty clear that Alshon is referring to the MMQB story and not to BLG (a pretty low level Eagles blogger) who happened to write a small post about that story.
The Igglesblitz’s armchair GM mock draft compilation so far.
D3FB’s mock draft
1: Marlon Humphrey CB Bama
2. Caleb Brantley DT Florida
3. Taywan Taylor WR WKU
4 Daeshon Hall DE TAMU
4 Wayne Gallman RB Clemson
5 Corn Elder CB Miami
6 Xavier Woods S LA Tech
7 Ifaedi Odenigbo DE Northwestern
UDFAs
Harvey Langi LB BYU
Brandon Bell LB PSU
Brady Gustafson QB Montana
Kyle Kalis G Michigan
Andreas Knappe T UCONN
Anthony Wales RB WKU
Bug Williams WR UNC
Wiliam Likely CB Maryland
Scott Ordnoff TE PItt
Insomniac’s mock draft
1. OJ Howard TE
2. Fabian Moreau CB
3. Joe Mixon RB
4. Taywan Taylor WR
4. Daeshon Hall DE
6. Carlos Watkins DT
7. Jalen Reeves-Maybin LB
Trades
Mychal Kendricks and a 5th for Kyle Fuller.
Jordan Matthews for a mid-round conditional pick in 2018.
Mitchell’s mock draft
1. Corey Davis WR or Marlon Humprhey CB
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Ahkello Witherspoon CB
4. Daeshon Hall DE
4. Dawuane Smoot DE
5. Brian Hill RB
6. Justin Senior OT
7. Stevie Tu’ikolovatu DT
You might need to drop Moreau due to the injury.
Never!!!!!!!! I’ll probably make a new mock this weekend.
Sorry, I meant to say drop him a round lower.
Id be happier w OJ or Corey D over Brother Marlin .. 3 more beers please
Same here.
Daeshon is. On a quick look, the only dude on all 3 …
Daeshon Hall is an athletic project DE, he already has a NFL body. He does somethings well right now but he needs a lot of refinement. High upside DE that could become a good starter one day.
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