More Eagles Draft Talk
Posted: April 23rd, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 115 Comments »
The Eagles want to add CB help in the upcoming draft. The top 2 CBs are Marshawn Lattimore and Gareon Conley from Ohio State. The problem is that both CBs are virtually a lock to be taken before 14. I would be shocked if either guy fell that far. I would be ecstatic, but it just isn’t going to happen.
The Eagles have been meeting with all sorts of CBs. This tells me they aren’t going to force the issue by taking a CB at 14. They will take the best player. With Conley and Lattimore gone, that isn’t likely to be a CB. The good news is that this draft is filled with talented CBs. The Eagles can move down if they want. They can get CBs in the 2nd, 3rd or possibly even 4th rounds.
The nightmare scenario is that there’s a run on CBs and the Eagles don’t end up with the players they targeted. That’s possible, but doesn’t seem likely because the team has been looking at so many CBs. They have checked out playmakers, athletes, big guys…you name it. They don’t seem to be overly picky right now. And that’s smart.
Does sound like the Eagles love Gareon Conley. Joe Douglas certainly does.
“The public has just caught onto him,” Douglas said. “Our staff did a great job getting Conley on the board early. Unbelievable talent. With Gareon, the speed jumps out; the length jumps out. One of the best leaders on their team.”
If you’re doing a mock draft, you better have Conley going off the board early.
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I wrote about Joe Mixon last night and that upset some people. I knew that would happen because he is such a hot button topic.
Some people took my piece as a defense of Mixon. That wasn’t the case at all. My point is that I think you are smart to figure out if he’s a kid who did a horrible, horrible thing or if he’s a bad kid that you want nothing to do with.
I can’t make that call without talking to him and doing all the background research that NFL teams do.
I struggle when it comes to the subject of character. I’d love the Eagles to have nothing but nice guys. But that team just isn’t going to win games. The Chiefs have Tyreek Hill, who choked his pregnant girlfriend, out there making big plays. The Cowboys best player is rookie Ezekiel Elliott and he appears to be a mental midget who does whatever he wants. There are some questions about him assaulting a woman.
Teams have to decide who is a bad person vs who made a bad mistake, but is truly sorry for what he did and can be a functional part of a team. And teams have to figure out which people/incidents they can live with.
I personally hope the Eagles don’t draft Mixon because I don’t want to have to deal with the blowback. I went through that with Michael Vick and it was no fun. That’s more about my personal convenience than any moral high horse.
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A few of you have asked about Alvin Kamara, the star RB from Tennessee. He will likely be a 2nd round pick. There is no question that he is a really talented player. Kamara is a gifted runner, receiver and returner. The problem I have is whether he can be a starter or is he strictly a role player. He played 2 years at UT and never had 20 carries in a game. He only had 15 or more in 5 games.
I've been on the Alvin Kamara train before a lot of ppl
It would be tough seeing us get him b/c his stock is high now
But he can do it all pic.twitter.com/7UglhV2Utv
— Ur Opinion Overrated (@TheLakeShOwKinG) March 8, 2017
I do think he’s a RB, but he can play in the slot at times. The Eagles don’t have to land a RB who can carry 25 times a game, but I do wonder if Kamara is too much of a role player.
Part of the reason he didn’t get a ton of carries is that UT also had Jalen Hurd at RB for part of those 2 years. Maybe Kamara is just waiting to be unleashed at the NFL level.
Curtis Samuel is a similar player, but I see him more as a slot receiver who can line up at RB. Kamara is 5-10, 214. Samuel is 5-11, 196. Samuel is faster and more explosive. I could see the Eagles having interest in Samuel because of his speed and ability to play in the slot.
Curtis Samuel #JBB pic.twitter.com/HG7H9vmOEm
— Tyler Dickson (@TDGawd) April 15, 2017
There is no doubt this offense needs playmakers.
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Joe Douglas and Howie Roseman talked the other day about changes in the grading system. I don’t know exactly what they are talking about because I’ve never seen any Eagles draft grades.
Roseman used to refer to having players graded in certain rounds. I don’t know that was exactly the case or something he said to help the media and fans understand. If he said “We had Bennie Logan graded at 5.94” that wouldn’t mean a thing to anyone outside the NFL scouting world. Much easier to say we had him as a 2nd rounder.
But Roseman did say there was as change.
“Part of bringing him in here is trying to change what we’ve done, and trying to get better. It started when we hired him, about using a different grading scale, and getting us all acclimated into the way he talks about players and he grades players,” Roseman said. “We have tremendous trust in Joe and his ability to put (the draft board) together. I think it’s been a really fun process. It’s really rejuvenated a lot of guys, including myself, who have been here for a while.”
And Douglas added this.
Douglas: "Our system isn't based on rounds our system is based on what fits best for the Eagles"
— John Barchard (@JohnBarchard) April 20, 2017
I’m not sure exactly what this all means. I do think you have to grade players very specifically. Mike Mayock loves 280-pound DEs who can play the run. I prefer pass rushers. I would hope my scouts and his scouts would grade players differently because of what we were looking for. Maybe in the past the Eagles graded in a more generic way.
It will be interesting to see if this draft feels different because of Douglas and the changes he has made.
At the end of the day, it boils down to picking good players. The Eagles have done that in some years and whiffed badly in others.
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Mixon got me thinking about redemption and players saying what a coach/GM/owner want to hear.
Mike Vick hit rock bottom, reflected on his life, and vowed to make a change. It seems apparent he did just that.
Zeke seems about as dumb as a box of rocks. That’s OK if he can stay out of trouble. He still has an investigation hanging over his head.
Guys like Randy Moss and Pacman Jones seem like genuine assholes. I would say Mixon isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Pacman when it comes to doing bad things.
Ray Rice has remorse. He reconciled with the woman he hit, married her, and speaks to college athletes as a precautionary tale. http://pagesix.com/2017/02/11/ray-rice-now-speaking-to-college-athletes/
I think what the team really needs to know is that Mixon is not someone like the guy in this picture. Three teams gave him a chance, including Bill Walsh.
https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/49ers_Lawrence_Phillips_ap_img-1440×756.jpg
Some kids like MIxon learn from mistakes, take their second chance and run with it growing into model citizens. The problem is that there are also kids like Mixon who when you give them a second Chance they make a jerk off out of you and the opportunity you gave them can turn out to be you enabling them. none of us have any idea which group Mixon will fall into without knowing the kid, but when it comes to the Eagles and Joe Mixon, I think the Eagles have earned the benefit Of the doubt because Lurie’s Eagles have been very selective about what people they gave a second chance to and it really hasng blown up in their face unlike Franchises like the cowboys who have drafted scumbags Who continued to be Scumbags turning jerry Jones into an enabler.
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Because Lurie has a pretty clean history when it comes to who he gave a second chance to, I think they earned the right to trust that they did their homework and know the people they bring onto their team until proven otherwise. Where as teams like the cowboys can’t make that argument yet they will never refrain from drafting scum.
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I don’t like what Mixon did, but typically you only make peace with your enemies, just like you only give second chances to people who did bad/hurtful things you don’t agree with. So with all the work that goes into the NFL background checks, if the Eagles decide to give This kid a chance, then I’ll give him a chance until Lurie’s Eagles prove to be a poor judge of charechter which has not been the case. There is no point in trying to judge a kid I don’t know, I’ll leave it up to the pros until the Eagles prove that they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this sort of thing. I won’t buy a Mixon Jersey but society is better off if Joe Mixon makes the most off his opportunity and grows into a good man and productive member of society.
This is a true story I am not proud of. I have several younger sisters and we argued incessantly when we were younger. One time during a heated argument, One of my sisters moved like she was going to knee me in the groin. I punched her in the upper abdomen and she crumpled to the ground. I felt REAL bad but was even more upset when she was hospitalized for a week with a kidney contusion(bruise) and urinated blood for a week. I was 16 yo at the time and I thought my parents were going to kill me. I seriously considered running away from home. My parents saw that I was upset, and never reprimanded me, never said a word. I learned you don’t hit women under any circumstances. Fortunately nobody videoed it 40 years ago and it never came up in a med school interview later in life. I made a horrible mistake, was fortunately forgiven(my sister and I are very close to this day). I was given a 2nd chance. Maybe we should give this kid a chance, or at least some team will. If he is remorseful, I wish him well.
I’d like to get a CB in the first 3 rounds, and another Corner in rounds 4 or 5
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Important to get a DT in rounds 5-7 who can prove to form an effective and cheap backüp DT tandem with Undrafted Destiny Vaiao for the next 3-4 years which gives us our best chance at being able to keep the starting DT tandem of Cox/Jernigan in place LongTerm. Can’t extend Beau past this year and also extend Jernigan, and a first or second round salary defeats the purpose of not extending Beau Allen, so they need to find another cheap young destiny Vaiao type giving us two inexpensive backüp DTs that can contribute on sundays when Cox/Jernigan need a breather the next 4-5 years.
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Since we take a DT late in the draft we should add a DE or LB in the first 3 rounds to bolster our front 7 in a division wjth beast RB like Zeke and plenty of potent WRs.
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So im hoping for in the first 3rounds we get (in no particular order)
A DE or LB
CB
RB
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4th round draft our 2nd corner
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Round 5 the cheap DT backüp
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Rounds 6-7 Take the DE or LB we didn’t take in the top 3 rounds, and The best offensive player
And the extra pick can go to whatever position
From the days of Lombardi and Landry, and no doubt before the league was a ferociously growing market, NFL policy was proactively engaged in covering up any and all indiscretions that could trigger negative public reactions. It was standard practice for all franchises to have on their payrolls former police, off duty police, private investigators to preempt publicly recorded criminal investigations, and frontmen to meet the media and play dumb. At this point, anybody who presumes that the “character” issue is a new or recent metric that required being added to athletes’ profiles has to be either naive or willfully avoiding the subject. Like the criminal transgressions of our CIA, the sins of the football ballers are much more difficult for their allies and their daddies and their PR efforts to keep from public scrutiny. Living in the ever-leering eye of social media means every person with a phone is a potential documentarian that can expose every franchise’s and every student-athlete-batterer’s official stories. None of that is to argue that this aspect of the sport has not been there from the NFL’s earliest days.
Football is a violent sport, and violent sorts are often mentally, emotionally and physically cut out to excel at this sport. It may be simplistic to say that football attracts thugs, but what is football if not organized thuggery? Nobody is getting their arm twisted to be a fan of this game, and plenty of well-adjusted, sensitive and compassionate gentlemen are among both the players and the fans. I want my team to be contenders for the Superbowl…period.
I could copy/paste your entire post and change “NFL” to “college football” and it would hold true today. Case in point, the current Baylor University sexual assault scandal playing out in Texas…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_University_sexual_assault_scandal
No question. In no small way that is the lure of money and the depths to which many will descend to get their cut. It is a cultural blight that has the billionaires’ finger prints all over it.
It’s a good point that the most violent sport would attract a non-minor percentage of violent people.
No doubt there was less exposure to the garbage in the past, but I’m glad Goodell is taking some steps to clean it up. I hope the suspensions for off the field transgressions are increased in the future.
It might be nice to have someone with at least a vague sense of a proper punishment to fit the crime to be making those decisions though. Goodell seems hopeless at it.
It is better than it was under Tags, but I agree it could be improved. I think they need to really amp up the suspension for DUI and domestic violence. A LOT.
Tags actually had to come in and clean up one of Goodell’s messes (player punishment in the Saints debacle). He had a much better sense of fairness. But yes, he was from the old school of look-the-other-way-whenever-possible (meaning when not in the news).
The NFL, just like politicians, are reactionary with their rules and punishments…Unless you’re talking about excessive celebration, then they really lay down the law.
Which is one thing they need to call WAY less often. I’d rather see more delay of games for spiking / spinning the ball during the run of play and less penalties for celebrations when a TD has ended a possession.
My dear man (English accent) I believe the word you’re looking for is “reactive.”
‘A reactionary is a person who holds political views that favor a return to the status quo ante, the previous political state of society, which they believe possessed characteristics (discipline, respect for authority, etc.) that are negatively absent from the contemporary status quo of a society.’
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You are correct. Thx, I learned something new today.
The problem is Godell has stopped handing out suspensions and the few he handed out got lost by the league by appeal (only the Brady one stuck)
Mixon has had as good a pre-draft offseason as anyone could have imagined. And that’s not all that easy to pull off (just ask Rueben Foster). It should account for something, and obviously it does ,since he’s gone from borderline undraftable to a certain top 50 pick.
If the victim has made her peace with him, and the kid has shown the discipline and poise to overcome this as he has, I have absolutely no problem with having him on my team.
But we have to now add in the attempt to run the meter maid over with his car. If he’d done the same nonsense with a sworn law enforcement officer; he’d have been shot through his windshield a few times.
He was just trying to emulate Randy Moss. After all, he’s got a good gig on TV and will most-likely be in the HOF.
“The problem is that both CBs are virtually a lock to be taken before 14. I would be shocked if either guy fell that far. I would be ecstatic, but it just isn’t going to happen.”
“Jaguars rumored to take OJ Howard at their pick”
http://i.imgur.com/2haDtNq.gif
Jags will shock the world and take a QB again throwing the first round into turmoil. I would love it.
That would be excellent. I’m feeling WAY better about our pick at 14 if 3 QBs go from 1-13.
I would not be surprised. Bad teams continue to shoot themselves in the foot when they reach in the draft on top of poor scouting.
Funny you say that since many scouts gave Bortles as the comparison for Wentz last year.
And he still can turn into a Blake Bortles.
The only way I see that happening is if the Browns want Bortles.
Jags take Trubisky or Watson with the 4th pick.
Browns get Bortles and the Jags get the 12th pick.
The Jaguars don’t really need another CB or WR that high so one of them could fall to us. Rumor has it they have Cam Robinson rated as a top 10 player as well. I’d say that’s a great scenario for us.
On the flip side, why is there no talk of San Fran taking a QB? Unless they are trading #2 to the lolskins for Cousins, I could see them taking one. If for some reason they do trade for Cousins, Washington would surely take a QB.
My guess is the inexperience. First time head coach + GM and as well as a dysfunctional organization. Or they’re taking a different approach and drafting one later since that team has a ton of holes.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801972/native/exflorida-dt-caleb-brantley-charged-with-misdemeanor-battery?akapp=mobile&akview=phone&akvideo=on
Some people just don’t get it, What a moron
Yea but there’s no video so the media isn’t making a huge deal out of it.
I don’t care if there was a video or not I’m sick of reading stuff like this, this notion that seeing a video like the Rice and the Mixon video makes the incident worse is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I’m not coming at you, I’m just fed up with stupidity in our society that’s all
I feel you man. The reality is that it won’t be as big of a deal as Mixon’s case so it won’t gain as much attention and awareness to these issues.
This guy must go offsides a lot because timing clearly isn’t his strong suit.
Now that is truly funny, well done sir lol
Seriously though; go hide in the woods in Vermont, visit the quiet beaches of Portugal’s Algarve region, etc. These dudes are hanging out in the wrong spots with the wrong people when they need to be finding ways to minimize their ability to screw up their earning potential.
I think it’s a situation where the stupid ones are feeling themselves a little too much knowing that their on the cusp of making millions and they constantly put themselves in situations where they can get into trouble. There spending money they don’t have yet, there getting into fights with guys in bars, night club or strip joints acting like Mr. BIG Shot. Or they’re going after women with the “don’t you know who I am” attitude and the women either aren’t interested or just don’t care. This keeps happening every year and people aren’t learning from others past mistakes. So see you in round 4 Mr. Brantley you stupid stupid idiot
Sounds like he’s more on the slow side to me.
At least they’re making their idiocy known before the draft so we don’t waste a pick on him
There’s more than questions about Ezekiel. There’s a video of him lifting up an unsuspecting girl’s top in public.
A quick bit on the Eagles strategy; I think they’re doubly full of beans this year.
They must not want Conley, AT ALL, at 14 and are trying to make sure he goes before they pick. Add in all the hemming and hawing about not having enough to trade up, needing to be ok with 14 non QBs at 14, having a “new grading system”, and the like; and I think they’re planning some major type of move that none of us see coming.
Plus 3 people leaking that Mixon is on the board for the Eagles makes me thing that they really want him to go ahead of 43 as well.
They’re being WAY too chatty about guys this year, I think they’re up to something odd.
This happened for Wentz too so no it’s really not out of the norm so far.
That’s a little different because they went up to 2 to get him. They didn’t start talking about Wentz in an obvious manner after they traded into the 2 spot and were 99.9% sure the Rams were going for Goff.
There were rumors of them trading up to #2 for Wentz floating around before it happened too.
That’s true. And there were rumors they were in love with him. But the Conley stuff in the presser the other day was very bizarre.
I don’t think it is. Doug gave Ross some very high praise when some reporters wanted to pick his brain a little. The combine happens and then some people started mocking Ross as a top 15 pick. Some time later there are leaks of Ross being the highest rated WR in the draft for some teams. It’s the media playing catch up at this point really.
Solomon Thomas!
That would be epic
I know Conley’s stock has been rising in the public eye, but is he really a lock to be gone by 14?
Maybe / maybe not, but I know the Eagles want him to be taken before they pick or they wouldn’t have been giving such glowing praise of him in the press conference.
I thought the same thing. What are the odds we take an offensive tackle based on positional value and the reality that a good one is really hard to find.
I just get a sense that something weird is up and they’re doing all of this talking to distract from it. OT isn’t really a good play at 14 this year, but who knows.
Yeah I thought that was strange too. Conley was a guy I was going to mention before about guys I’d take at 14. Don’t know if he’ll be there or not. All I can say is this should be a very interesting draft.
I’d be totally cool with Cam.
Peters/Cam/Sem/Brooks/Lane is probably a top 5 OL.
Only downside is it makes the interior OL situation even more ridiculous
Gonna have all the guards. Howie has to catch em all.
It would be bad use of resources given the other areas of need but if you took Cam at 14 and Asiata in the 4th you would have the OL set up for the next 4-5 years.
What are your thoughts on Lamp as a potential target?
G/C only. He’s really good and a pretty safe projection because he’s a technician first but also has the physical ability.
I just couldn’t stomach taking him (even with a tradeback) given our already strong depth chart and the depth of the class. At least with Cam you’ve got your long term answer at T.
The “out of nowhere” move by Howie this year: Draft RT in the first, trade Peters for early/mid 3rd. When I first heard the Peters trade rumor, I hated it. But looking at how the draft is shaping up now, (and given what they’ve done in FA/capwise), I’m starting to think it might be the best move. Still hate the value for Peters, but I think a lot of people are going to be shocked at how little value teams are going to get for moving back in this draft.
I’m watching the Penn State spring game. Although Barkley is not playing, they have an interview with him and have been showing quite a few highlights. Talk about a back with power and “nift”. I’m no scout, but he sure seems like the real deal.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2018RB.php
He’s well thought of
He’s Le’Veon
Took a different approach with this one by going down to 32 by taking 3-12 and 3-39 from the Saints.
Round 1 Pick 32 (N.O.): T.J. Watt, OLB/DE, Wisconsin (B+)
Round 2 Pick 11: Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU (A-)
Round 3 Pick 12 (N.O.): Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (A)
Round 3 Pick 35 (COMP): Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado (A+)
Round 3 Pick 39 (N.O.): Carlos Henderson, WR, Louisiana Tech (A+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A-)
Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)
Round 5 Pick 11: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)
Round 6 Pick 10: Matthew Dayes, RB, NC State (A)
Round 7 Pick 12: Storm Norton, OT, Toledo (B)
That is absolutely horrendous value on the trade down, and would lead to a lot of fans (me included) tossing their remotes through their TVs.
Pick 14 = 1100
Pick 32 = 590
PIck 3-12 = 210 (800)
pick 3 – 39 = 88 (888)
So I lost the trade by 212 points, or an early 3rd rounder. Sadly, it was the best deal offered and I’d take Jones and Henderson over any WR (because Davis was gone) I could reach for at 14 or any other player who happened to be there at 14.
I have good and bad news for McCaffery fans/haters.
https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/856186322305863681
I wonder where that leaves Fournette
The Bucs and Broncos are my guess.
He would really help out Jameis
Yup. In a division where it’s mostly offense, Fournette would kill those defenses and can help keep guys like Matt Ryan/Brees off the field.
Now you bring the safety down and Djax gets loose over the top
You know what, lets hope he goes to the Ravens. I wouldn’t want to play that offense in the playoffs.
That’s nonsense talk. I have a god given right to see Fournette taken before 14.
Bengals are rumored to want him.
Are you taking this at face value?
Yes, until it’s proven wrong.
Here’s another gem I would love to see come to fruition.
https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/855788395368501249
Football gods, please let this happen.
Nice. I think this draft will go unexpectedly both in general and for the Eagles.
Last mock draft on NFLN had SF taking a DE at 2. Not sure why. The 49ers are hurting worse at LB and all over on offense.
Stupid is as stupid does, Forrest.
It’s comically amazing that Cleveland and San Fran would mega reach for massively flawed QB “prospects” in this year’s draft. I just hope Darnold and Rosen don’t go to teams I hate next year.
Can’t underestimate the stupidity of Cleveland or other QB deficient teams.
I subscribe heavily to the “don’t believe anything you hear around this time” wisdom.
That would be interesting for Carolina as they’d need to retire all of their read option BS in order to use McCaffrey properly.
Ummmmm no.
McCaffery would be dope in a zone scheme.
They also run plenty of power runs with pulling guards etc.
Even Chip Kelly at Oregon ran a lot of power with a pulling guard. He just got away from it here and began to only run OZR
Yea they are remarkably balanced in their rushing attack
https://twitter.com/JeffRatcliffe/status/841624928843661312
“The good news is that this draft is filled with talented CBs. The Eagles can move down if they want. They can get CBs in the 2nd, 3rd or possibly even 4th rounds.” — going to call BS on this kind of talk. Oh, is that all — the CB’s are so talented it doesn’t matter what round the Eagles take one? Come on. There so many, the Eagles can take their time?
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I can count on 1 hand(hold the applause) on how many teams are ‘ok’ at CB. Leaving 20+ teams who would love ‘talented’ CB’s. I guess the Eagles are the only ones looking though or there are so many, it doesn’t matter.
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Maybe it’s the tremendous track record of the Eagles late picks? Or is it that 2 garbage cans are an upgrade on the Eagles roster and any qualifying CB in the draft is considered ‘talented’?
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I’m not looking for warm bodies at CB. I’m looking for 1(hopefully) that give fits to the big WR’s in the NFC East.
Lattimore, Marshon CB 6’0″ 193 Ohio St. 6.5
Humphrey, Marlon CB 6’0″ 197 Alabama 6.1
Conley, Gareon CB 6’0″ 195 Ohio St. 6.0
White, Tre’Davious CB 5’11” 192 LSU 6.0
Jackson, Adoree’ CB 5’10” 186 USC 5.9
Jones, Sidney CB 6’0″ 186 Washington 5.8
Awuzie, Chidobe CB 6’0″ 202 Colorado 5.8
King, Kevin CB 6’3″ 200 Washington 5.8
Douglas, Rasul CB 6’2″ 209 West Virginia 5.8
Wilson, Quincy CB 6’1″ 211 Florida 5.7
Moreau, Fabian CB 6’0″ 206 UCLA 5.7
Tabor, Teez CB 6’0″ 199 Florida 5.7
Witherspoon, Ahkello CB 6’3″ 198 Colorado 5.7
Tankersley, Cordrea CB 6’1″ 199 Clemson 5.7
Lewis, Jourdan CB 5’10” 188 Michigan 5.6
Sutton, Cameron CB 5’11” 188 Tennessee 5.6
Griffin, Shaquill DB 6’0″ 194 Central Florida 5.6
Kazee, Damontae CB 5’10” 184 San Diego St. 5.6
Are you helping me to educate myself on CB’s? (I hope so, because I love that list and thank you).
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If you’re listing them and telling me they will all be starters(and not just warm bodies) – well, I’m willing to make a bet – and bet my yearly salary. If there are 6 on that list that we’ll hear their name in 3 years will be amazing.
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If the list is that large – are you saying the Eagles can easily pick 2 from that list and we’ll be more than happy with the selections?
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I don’t watch enough college to know that answer. I’m going off odds of any college player being drafted and making the team and being a stud(or even serviceable). The odds of 1st round picks alone are tough enough to predict but to predict 18 at 1 position in the entire draft — is well — impossible….
You’re betting in three years 6 of this years CBs won’t be occupying one of the 96 starting CB jobs leaguewide?
no no. LOL. I’m saying if 6 from that list are still around – and productive(not warm bodies), it’ll be amazing. I’m saying I’m willing to bet my salary on that entire list, being starters in 3 years. I’m almost willing to be 3/4 of that list won’t be starters.
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If those 96 starting CB’s — some are already proven players in the nfl, so the number isn’t really 96. Also, there will be CB’s drafted next year and the following year. Again, knocking that list down.
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I’m saying there is no such thing as a sure thing. The odds of the top 2 CB’s in the draft are not 100% that then pan out. How in the world can I say a list that large will pan out? It’s impossible…
Not all of them will but I’d bet alot of money that 6 of the top 18 (and the list omits guys like Corn Elder and Des King) are at least starters in 3 years.
Take the 2013 class (top 100)
Millner- Bust
Hayden- Bust
Trufant- Stud
Rhodes- Stud
Slay- Pretty Damn Good
Banks- Started a bunch first three years now a warm body
Amerson- Busted in DC now a solid starter
Jamar Taylor- low level starter
Robert Alford- Good Starter
Dwayne Gratz- Bust (probably won’t make our team)
Leon McFadden- Bust
Honey Badger- Stud
Blidi Wreh Wilson- Bust
Logan Ryan- Good Starter
Kayvon Webster- Fringe Starter
That’s more than 6
D3FB – question for you — we all know the odds player actually panning out. Eagles need 2 starting CB’s. If that list is that good — would it be crazy for the Eagles to draft 3 cb’s and hope 2 of those 3 pan out? Would it be insane to use 3 of 8 pics on CB? Or draft 2 and hope 1 of those 2 pan out?
I think ideally you spend one of the top 2 picks on one and a fringe top 100 pick on one. If you want to spend a late day 3 pick on another one who has good traits and can be a ST guy with some lottery chances, fine.
Triple dipping is hard because you’re gonna have issues with roster churn and getting guys enough snaps (plus just opportunity cost.
If one could become a safety and one is most likely a slot it’s a little more doable but still not ideal.
Fascinating to know how Joe Douglas has changed the metrics and their weightings of player rankings and the draft board.
Joe’s new system is scaled on numerous metrics with a weighted average. The players are ranked in order highest to lowest. Howie’s old system used numbers letters and colors for grading. A “G” ranked higher than a blue crayon, but a pink marker was higher than 3 H’s. Get it?
No trades, stick to the board draft.
Round 1 Pick 14: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 11: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama (A)
Round 3 Pick 35 (COMP): Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF (A-)
Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): D’Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A)
Round 5 Pick 11: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (B+)
Round 6 Pick 10: Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Elijah Lee, OLB, Kansas State (B-)
I like this except for Foremen. Most of his tape is him running right into people and falling down immediately.
We must not be seeing the same tape man.
Love it, but OJ will be gone by 14, unfortunately.
Amazing as it seems, every team in the league has made some good picks and whiffed badly on others. For example, the Steelers are often praised for picking 4 HOFamers in 1974. They also picked another 7 (I think) who never played a single game in the NFL. Guess nobody is perfect.
Really should only be 2 HOF players from that draft because Swann and Stallworth don’t belong in the HOF.
Unfair, PP. Back then the draft went deeper than today’s 7 rounds. I don’t recall how much deeper, but, let’s say that those who didn’t play a down in the NFL then would be today’s undrafted free agents.
I don’t know the numbers either but I think back then kids finished college before being drafted(well, at least a larger percentage than today)
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Really the goal of any draft is the hopes to get that 1 stud and that’s more miss than hit…
I would love the Eagles to take Gareon Conley at 14, but the Eagles almost never take CBs in the first round. In the last 50 drafts they’ve only taken three. One was Lito in ’02 and the others were Ben Smith and Roynell Young who were both hybrid S/CBs.
What does how we drafted Ray Rhodes or Buddy Ryan has anything to do with the year 2017?
It doesn’t but it’s interesting info.
best week of the ‘off season’ is upon us. After this week, boredom sets in. Time to ask a little more specific questions about real possible targets.
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama— is he basically the only touted player with zero concerns with injury/off field stuff? If he is there at 14, does the pick become BPA or need? If he is there – I don’t see how the Eagles pick him with TE (probably) being the position with a top level starter and more than capable back ups. If he’s there, I’d be shocked if they pick him. (not disappointed – just shocked)
Trey Burton and Zach Ertz should not stop you from drafting anybody and 100% not if the guy is one of the best TE prospects in a long time
I can only throw darts(ideas). Eztz is pretty darn good. Need a pass rusher, need DT, need 2 CB’s, need RB(although I’m ok with that position this year),. If Eagles have 8(?) picks and at least 5 extremely in need positions, can they pass on all those positions and draft a position that you already have a top 10 player? Howard better be Gronk like….
Howard projects to be like Jason Witten.
Wentz need weapons, with Howard you give him one of the best in the draft.
The Eagles will pick a NIGGER with the 14th pick!
What round do y’all think nacho libre will be selected?
Kamara looks like he’s running in sand.