Moving Up?
Posted: April 7th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 212 Comments »The Eagles won the coin flip and secured the 14th overall pick. That’s a terrific spot to be in such a deep, talented draft.
Howie Roseman isn’t afraid to move up or down if he wants someone or feels the value isn’t there. He made the huge move last year all the way up to the second pick so the Eagles could draft Carson Wentz. Will there be anyone he covets this year?
Marshon Lattimore is my top rated CB. There is some talk that he could slide a little due to some injury questions. I’m sure the Eagles love him as a player, but have no idea if they have any concerns with him or not.
We know the team had a visit with Jamal Adams, the star DB from LSU. The team checked out the top trio of receivers. We don’t know who they love, but they’re at least interested in all 3. We think the Eagles brought in CB Gareon Conley for a visit.
The Eagles could covet any (or none) of those guys.
Last year the Eagles had to pay a king’s ransom to move up. They won’t be making a move like that this year. I do wonder if the Eagles could call up the Buffalo Bills and talk. Sean McDermott needs good LBs. His projected starter at WLB is Ramon Humber. The Eagles could offer him Mychal Kendricks. I think Kendricks would be a player that McDermott could love. He would instantly be the most athletic LB on that roster and would be a big help to their Nickel and Dime packages.
Would adding a player like that be worth moving back 4 spots?
The Eagles are going to have good choices at pick 14. They would be even better up at number 10. The Eagles could also talk to the Saints about a swap involving Kendricks to get to pick 11.
If you could clear up some salary cap space and move up to get one of the best corners in the draft at the same time, that would be a pretty darn good scenario. Moving Kendricks would create a hole on the roster, but the Eagles aren’t going to play him much this year so signing a cheap vet or adding a late round pick there is a reasonable solution. There is always the concern about Nigel Bradham getting suspended or what happens if either of the LBs get hurt. Kendricks is a good insurance policy.
Those are the kinds of tough decisions GMs have to make. You are going to be thin somewhere. You can’t be 2-deep at every spot on the roster. Going thin at LB to help bolster the DL and secondary does make sense. If Hicks and Bradham do stay healthy, you’re good to go at LB. Depth would be the issue.
I don’t think the Eagles want to move back, but if a team made a good offer and the Eagles were just dropping back a handful of spots, they would stay inside the Top 20. There could be some wisdom in that. Some people have pointed out that moving back didn’t work in other drafts, but that usually involved the Eagles going from 22 to 26 or from 25 to 31…something like that. If you stay inside the Top 20, you are likely to land a player you have a high grade on.
If I had to guess, I’d say the Eagles are likely to stay put. 14 is a good spot and the team doesn’t want to give up picks. But nothing is certain with Roseman running the show. Joe Douglas and his guys scouted and identified the key targets. Now Roseman has to help the Eagles land as many of them as possible. That could mean going up or down.
Stay tuned.
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With all due love Tommy
But moving up 4 spots has an equivalent value of a mid 3rd round pick. I highly doubt the Bills would solely accept Kendricks in such a deal. Heck the Eagles might even struggle to get a 5th round pick for Kendricks.
Not sure that you can use that kind of logic for these trades, most people would have thought that Miami did not get value for the move down from 8 to 13 when they traded for Kiko and Maxwell.
Not sure if anyone actually hugely values Kendricks at the moment and unless someone does then i cannot see this kind of trade going down, but if anyone thinks Kendricks can be a good starter in their scheme – as he has shown in the past, then i think this kind of trade would make sense.
Most Philly fans had written off Kiko as having value, too. It kind of was a precursor to the Osweiler deal. Miami had the cap space, worked out for both teams.
so you’re saying — there’s a sucker born every minute …
Value is subjective.
So. Is. Opinion.
In this brave new world, so are facts.
Especially fake ones.
McDermott may value Kendricks a tad more than other due to his experience in the system. Maybe Kendricks + 5th gets the deal done.
Maybe. I just hope that we won’t spend an additional 3rd round pick if the Eagles decide to move up.
There was nothing on the board for Kendricks, kelce, chase, barwin, etc. If there were decent deals to be had they would have been done. Hopefully draft goes well. Howie did better moving chips guys than he did his own guys
Exactly.
Theoretical value charts are rules looking for exceptions. But likely there would be a sweetener in that deal.
Yes sure. It will have to be more than just a sweetener. Maybe three spoons of sugar will do it.
Well, also depends on what is available for the Bills to drop down and who the bills actually want. But in a vacuum I agree with you.
I would be on board if the Eagles send Kendricks + 3rd + 1st to the Panthers and select Lattimore, Adams and maybe Barnett (Thomas will be loooooong gone). I am starting to think that not even 1 QB is going to be select in the top 15 and this is going to destroy our options.
No thanks. Eagles have too many holes that they have the luxury to spend 2 early picks on 1 player who’s got hammy question marks.
I’m not trying to be a hater, but you seem like you have a pretty confident idea of what will happen in the draft. In my experience, human beings SUCK at trying to accurately predict the draft. Just saying, you might want to have a more open mind about what could happen.
Of course you could be right, and I could be an idiot.
You are right, normally human beings are wrong and I am expecting that I am an idiot and 3 QBs are taken inside the top 14, but it not seems the case.
When you study the tape, you do not see Watson, Trubisky or Kizer being worth a high pick in this Draft. Excluding 2011, human beings have been accurately guessing the QB situation on the Draft. I do expect the same this year, but I am a open mind guy.
Oh yeah, i agree about the QBs this year. Just not sure about who will pick who when.
They’re also really poor at it.
You people seriously need to get over Barnett. He would be a reach at 14 nvm trading up for him. He is a target if we trade back and even then there are likely better targets.
I disagree. Heavily. I don’t think he’d be a reach. I think he’s a stud DE. The criticism on him is similar to what people said about BG and look at him now.
BG is. 5-7 sack guy. I like Brandon, but would not call him a “stud”.
Barnett is a high floor low ceiling type guy. Safer pick than most, but he will never be elite. We have enough decent guys. We need a difference maker at 14. That makes his poor value in my book.
I’d encourage you to refine your valuation of pass rushers – sacks are great. But they only tell part of the story. BG is (consensus) one of the elite pass rushers in the game, and he effects plays on a consistent basis, in the run game, with pressures (that don’t result in sacks), and with sacks.
If you look at dunks only, Steph Curry is a pretty poor NBA player.
I’m not stupid and know sacks aren’t the only way to judge DEs. They do matter though. What if the Patriots almost sacked Matt Ryan and the falcons were able to kick a FG.
BGs lack of burst prevents him from finishing plays. He isn’t elite. Von miller is elite. Justin houston is elite. BG is a good starting DL. That is probably Barnett’s ceiling due to his physical limitations. Certainly not the worst outcome, but guys like that aren’t how you build a championship team. We need another elite player on this D and Barnett won’t cut it.
Fair enough. I can’t agree though.
He would be good value at 14, but I don’t think the team is leaning that way, based on acquisitions.
Which acquisitions? Long? I don’t think that changes anything. I think we could really use a top notch DE early in the draft. I’m fine with using any of our first 3 picks on one if they believe he’s a stud prospect. Certainly they have the flexibility to focus on other areas, but Schwartz D flows through dominant, deep D-lines.
Certainly not impossible. But they’ve thrown a lot of resources at the DL.
To me if all you’ve thrown at the DL is a lot of resources, you haven’t thrown enough. Ever.
I agree that another stud DE would be great, and that DL is a key group. But it’s also important to remember that it’s a limited resource game, and you take from Peter to feed Paul. The DL is upgraded over last year at 2 of 4 positions. If they like Barnett, I’m all for it. He fits the system well. They are in good position for BPA, but I have to admit I would feel best if we fill the CB hole.
Fair enough.
At 14: A reach / good value. … now there’s a nice market
I would be disappointed if We drafted him. I am pretty confident he will fall further than 95% of eagles fans expect. Probably outside the top 20. NFL teams like talent, athleticism, and upside. DB has production and talent, but he is lacking in athleticism and upside.
Barnett is also super redundant. We have plenty of average athletes at DE right now.
I will happily take that bet. I also think that Fletcher Cox, as well as all opposing OCs and QBs would laugh at your opinion.
But to each their own…. I guess
Ha why would Fletch even have an opinion? Barnett couldn’t hold Cox’s jock. Cox was a raw high ceiling guy. He was the exact opposite type of prospect to Barnett. Lane Johnson was a similar type of prospect. Barnett is more a “safe”, but not elite type pick.
Fletch knows DL which is why I said that.
Didn’t know he was such a good talent evaluator
Much as I like Adams, I’m not keen on giving up the 3rd and 14th for him. Definitely not for Lattimore, even if he did drop that far.
Still don’t see Eagles not walking up to the podium at HOME on days 1 & 2 with their draft cards. Too big a PR debacle before the home crowd with wide -spread booing. Eagles aren’t trading away a 1st or 2nd day draft pick to move-up. Other means are probably in play, but not passing up a pick in the first 3 rounds.
I’d want to punch baby seals in the mouth if we traded a first and a third for Barnett.
It reminds me of the old movie Soapdish, where the TV executive said “This is a very tough decision. But I’m paid $3.6 million dollars a year to makes these decisions, so here’s what we’re going to do…”
Actually moving up in such a deep draft makes a lot of sense. Due to the depth, it shouldn’t cost much to move up a few spots if the team they swap with figures the player they want will still be there at 14. Not trading down makes sense for the same reason.
Buy when other people are ready to sell low, and sell when others are will to buy at a premium.
the lesson of Trading Places
I was thinking 2 AM barroom dynamics, so your example is better.
Even if QB’s drop, at some point there will be a run. So if they don’t improve the choices at 14, they will likely help someone drop to 43.
Kendricks to Buffalo in order to trade picks? From your fingertips to God’s ear, Tommy. And maybe they throw in a 6th?
The hope would be Sean McDermott sees Kendricks as a poor man’s Thomas Davis instead of Landshark II.
My money is on the latter.
Except Sean would be able to exploit Kendrick’s talents in a JJ type scheme much more than Schwartz does in his wide 9. Ergo more valuable to Sean than to Eagles.
I dont get all this barnett hate. He’s a consensus top 10 pick. If he falls to 14 that’s GREAT value in my opinion. We’re not set at DE. Curry is a question mark. Long is no spring chicken. Mcalister is an unknown and there is the ever looming risk of injury.
I make no secret that at 14 i hope foster is there because i think after myles and adams he’s the best player in this draft.
If Barnett had the combine numbers we all drool over he’s the no. one pick in the draft no question with his production. That’s why he may be available at 14 and if he is turn in the card and move on. We can do a lot worse than take a top 10 talent at 14
For example, like taking a second round talent in the first….looking at you MS2
Consensus from who? I’ve seen no consensus on that and if we are talking about professional draft gurus I’ve seen more mocks where he is out of the top 10 than in.
I dont like you nopain, so just know that from now on
NFL dot com: 21st
ESPN insider: 14th
Matt Miller: 25th
Rob Rang (CBS): 9th
Consensus?
PFF 8
NFL.com brooks 8 jeremiah 9, casserly 9
draftek 7
SI 6
espn mcshay 8
cbssports 8
he’s 11 or at 14 at worst on others for the most part.. Mayock has him ahead of thomas as an edge rusher.
All i’m saying at the end of the day is that we could do a lot worse than Barnett at 14.
It seems like some fans want us to draft a top 5 talent at 14 which is not realistic and i would hate to see us reach for a guy who’s projected to go 20-30 or second round at 14.
nopain23 1, DF3B 0.
I’m on record as thinking he’s a perfectly fine pick. He’s not a reach. He’s also not a guy I’m gonna throw a fit if we pass on.
Who’d be a guy you will throw a fit for?
I don’t know that I have one this year. All things being equal I’d prefer Marlon Humphrey. But I’d really be fine with any of the WR, Humphrey, White, Conley, Barnett or Harris. It’s kind of why I’m team trade back if you can.
I don’t hate him. I just don’t like what I’ve seen on tape for the 14th pick. Just as I didn’t like what I saw from Brandon Graham coming out of college. A solid pick but not worth a high 1st rounder. BG and DB are both high floor and low ceiling guys in my book. The kind of guy I want in the 2nd and 3rd round.
And I like Brandon Graham, but he isn’t a change the game dominant force for 10 years type of guy. He could break out and get double digit sacks the next 3 years, I just don’t see it happening.
I wouldn’t be sad if we select Barnett, just wouldn’t be happy either. It would feel like we chose the solid B over taking a shot at the A+.
I’m sure every team would like to be able to get guys like that in the 3rd. 😉
But you’re right, finding these values later in the draft is what really builds a roster. In the first he’s a solid, safe pick.
I understand. I just don’t want another “safe” pick and get another Danny Watkins or N/A.
Barnett isn’t bad. But I think he’s a 3-4 OLB and could work in a 4-3.
I just don’t think he has the want to, to hit an OL all day to bend and hold that edge.
If all my other wants are gone, fine. He just feels like a “I settled for this” type pick.
Haven’t heard anything bad about his work ethic or football IQ. He fits the wide-9 pretty well, solid edge setter. He’s certainly no Watkins. But I understand the aversion to safe. The flipside is that you have to be prepared for flops if you swing for the fences.
Wentz was a HR, Smith was a flop. I think Travis Frederick was the classic case for taking who you want, don’t worry about whether they are rated 1/2 a round lower. Teams don’t get a pick every 1/2 round.
No argument here but I’m interested to see what A plus talent would be available at 14. While everyone says this is a deep draft there is a clear group of guys who are at the top and it’s not 15 deep.
The rest all have flaws and seemed to be closely ranked. So at 14 do you take a guy with a high floor but low ceiling or vice versa. I’d take the guy more closely ranked to the top guys.which is a B+ to B kinda guy to use your criteria.
I’m hearing fans clamoring for conley and humprey over barnette. i’m not a draft expert but i watched some film and conley’s tackling is atrocious. Yet I get more hate when i suggest barnette over conley. Humphrey’s got the measurables but gets beaten deep a lot. He’ll get toasted by OBJ and Dez all day. Never forget the Saban factor when evaluating Alabama’s DBs.
The problem is that DEEP DRAFT DOESNT neccisseraily mean that it’s deep with Tier one prospects
I don’t know about “consensus” top 10, but he’s solid.
To me this comment is every reason not to take him at 14. You don’t draft “solid” at 14. Go get an impact player even if you need to move up 3-4 spots.
Over/Under: Number of times
“broke Reggie White’s sack record at Tennessee”
is mentioned if Barnett is around @ 14 lol
Definitely over!
Mentioned where? On this board? NFL network? ESPN? Combined?
It’ll be the new “Jordan Matthews is related to Jerry Rice”.
I think there are going to be so many great players available to meet our needs in the 15 – 24 range that I wouldn’t be upset at all if we traded back and picked up an additional second or third round pick. One of the top 3 WRs, defensive linemen or corners will drop into the 20-22 range and be unbelievable value. I’d trade back in the first round in a heartbeat this year and add to the second or third round options.
There’s so much depth in the top 100 that I’d like to pick up another pick and I’d also like to use a Kendrick and/or Kelce to move up from the third round compensatory pick that the Ravens sent us.
Sound reasoning. The flip side is that the Eagles have done much more in depth analysis of these guys, and may have one of those corners rated significantly higher. Dropping back and losing that guy may matter more to them than us. In general though, everyone tends to overrate their own magic 8-ball on talent eval, including teams.
The problem as I see it is the Eagles aren’t that close enough to legitimate championship caliber that they can afford to be that in love with only one player. They have cap issues and won’t be able to afford to pay everyone becoming a free agent next year. They need WR, CBs, DE, DT, LB and RB. Take the best available and stockpile picks. We can’t keep Jordan Matthews and Jernigan and Jeffrey and all the other free agents at the end of the year.
From what I’m reading, no chance you get a second in this deep draft for that trade down. Unlikely you get a 3rd. Just like you, everybody sees really large tiers of players with similar ratings. No need to jump up, so no one is going to pay a premium to do it.
Depends on tiers.. It could be really deep with second round tier players, but short on first tier playërs with legit first round grade. Just using a hypothetical example.
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People make the mistake of assuming there are enough first round talemts for everyone with a first round pick To get one,
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It could be a deep draft, but that can mean different thinks. If you can trade up Into a Higher Tier or prospects then im sure there will be teams willing to pay the cost, but if you are picking at 30 and moving up to #24 DOESNT get you into a higher tier of prospects, then teams probably won’t be interested in paying the cost to move out unless they are targeting a certain position which really only makes any sense if you are a legit contender
are we sure that there are 24 prospects with legit first round grades? Typically DOESNT work that way
If McDermitt takes Kendricks off our hands, Media Mike might forgive him for his time as DC here.
Is forgiveness in his skillset? I would be surprised
Let’s put it this way, if this were a LinkedIn profile, I wouldn’t be endorsing that particular skill.
Indeed, but if an employer was looking for sticking to ones convictions and mock draft diligence, i would swear that hiring anyone but him would be a massive mistake.
Yes, although perhaps that’s a charientism.
Perhaps.
Wow, Friday evening is a rare time to learn new words for me. Hat tip to you sir.
Dope.
I had to look it up. From now on, I’ll be thinking of you as Professor ChoTime.
Thanks, gentleman, I acquired that particular gem from The Superior Person’s Book of words, which got me exactly 0 props before tonight. There are some truly delightful words in the English language.
My wife was an English major in college and when she throws out some vocabulary I’ve never heard, I feel like Gomez Adams when he hears Morticia speak French.
Get her the book for her birthday, she might like it 🙂
That’s a really cool idea. I’m going to do it. I’ll be in a constant state of amourism (is that a word?), though.
I would just say “arousal,” but maybe there’s a better word in the book!
I also tried to look it up. Your vocabulary apparently exceeds that of Apple.
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Take more than that likely . . .
I keep seeing all of the interest the Bengals are showing the top RBs. If they end up with one of those them what do you guys think about a late round pick for Jeremy Hill? He’s only 24-25yo and would bring the physicality that we are sorely lacking. He’s terrific in the RZ. He is also in his contact year which seems to be Howie’s MO this year.
Maybe, but there are still great rb prospects in the draft… A lot
You really like to throw words like “great” around a lot of mediocre players. I think Fournette, Mixon, Cook can be great. I personally like Alvin Kamara a bit better than McCaffery, but both are versatile weapons. After that I see a few guys that could be average starters After that it’s a bunch of rotational guys.
I am not saying Hill is great, but he may be more talented than a rookie RB we could get in the 5th. Probably won’t happen, but kind of feels like a HR move.
Great.
“keep seeing all of the interest” — people are throwing darts. Hill is pretty talented young man. Hard to project anyone in the draft is better. My dart says he’s staying in Cinci. My second dart says maybe Cinci leaked a rumor and is doing a bait n switch in the draft? I do like Hill and would have love him here. How many darts do I get?
Standard league rules would allow you 3 darts, but the bigger question would be can you throw toe or heel to the line.
Fran Duffy thinks that Solomon Thomas is more suited to play inside and not be a 4-3 edge rusher. Any thoughts? That would be disappointing if true.
Why disappointing? He isn’t dropping to 14 anyway.
It’s certainly a projection and it will probably take some time for him to adjust since he basically played half his snaps as a dang 1 tech at Stanford but athletically he tested just like Justin Houston
This dude is an edge
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/solomon-thomas?position=EDGE
I thought this was a gem since it wasn’t on draftbreakdown.
Eli Apple vs Corey Davis (Disclaimer: sadly it’s not in English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJCvJyTh0tk
Jernigan – just jumped up my ‘I really like this dude’ chart. Liked what he had to say and the way he said it…I can see why the Eagles like him…
Wow, yeah, he f-ing nailed that. Impressive. And if it wasn’t sincere, I have to give him maximum respect for the acting job.
I’m impressed by his gold teeth.
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How does soemone even afford that?
You gotta hit up Johnny Dang
You can get a top and bottom grill for under a grand if there’s no diamonds.
I don’t really know why I know this, but yea, I’ve looked into this.
http://www.tvjohnny.net/product_info.php/gold-grillz-gold-teeth-tvj-3005a-p-12834
Oh, that s__t’s only 10K, azwhy.
why – why would anybody want that? Well, aside from Goldmember…
Yeah his press confrences got me hype. Seems like “he’s about that action Boss”.
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He basically retains Logans stout ability against the run while providing an upgrade at pass rush. Think the Ravens are going to miss this Kis and there is a Chance the best of Jernigan will take place in an Eagle jersey. Hope we can retain Jernigan and Alshon past this season
Tim Jernigan press conference……(Good watch)
https://livestream.com/accounts/8109350/events/2963279/videos/153608041
I must admit I am with Eskin on this one:
“The more and more that I hear certain things, I just don’t think it’s going to be the Eagles [who draft Joe Mixon]. Now if he gets to the seventh round, which is impossible to happen, the Eagles would certainly think about it. Maybe even the sixth round, but he’s not going to get there either.”
“The Eagles had a workout scheduled for Joe Mixon. I don’t know what happened, but I know it was, I believe — well, it was cancelled. I don’t know if it was rescheduled or not. There are people obviously from the team that have spoken to him. In the course of going over everything in the draft, you want to speak to him.”
That means you’re not drinking enough. Or need to see a doctor. Or both.
Got drunk last night. And today my permanent crown. I’m good thanks.
You can’t get it crowned yet. We still have roster holes!
I got 30 more teeth.
“but I KNOW it was, I believe” … what?
If you are wondering what kind of person Jernigan is – or if you are just having a bad day – go check out his presser. I guarantee you will feel a lot better, fi not downright giddy. That dude is smart and well informed but more than anything he just radiates confidence and commitment like I have rarely seen. We dont know how his play will translate yet, but his personality is exactly what we want here.
Off subject (maybe far off subject), PFT suggests that there may not be “bad blood” between Simms & Nantz, but there was “bad air”. You can’t made this stuff up! “Hard to believe , Harry”. Actually, I thought they worked reasonably well together and better than a number of other pairings.
Doesn’t pass the smell test.
I see, you sir, have a “good nose” for picking up on these details.
Simms is a really bad commentator
I would rather have Joe Buck as a colour guy than Simms, because as annoying as Buck is at least he doesn’t leave me feeling dumber than when I started watching.
Joe Buck is not a color guy, he does play-by-play. But you’re right, he probably would still be better than Simms as a color guy.
In boring draft news today..
Derek Barnett ran a 4.89s at his pro day for those that care.
Tre’Davious White ran 4.55s at both attempts at his pro day.
Browns are rumored to love Corey Davis and might draft him at the 12th pick?
Teez Tabor says he had a minor hammy injury (phantom injury?) which is why he ran so slow.
Dane Brugler has his big board and position rankings out
https://imgur.com/a/JS576
White is my favorite CB in the draft not named lattimore nor jones.
thanks for the link didn’t realize barnett is only 20!!! so he dominating CFB as a teen and has plenty room for growth.
Wonder who the last 4-3 DE to run 4.89 or worse to be drafted top 15? I can’t happen very often.
Bosa ran 4.86
Had a great rookie year even after missing a lot of training camp.
Interesting. I’d love to compare their 10 yard split and agility tests, but too lazy right now. That still has to be fairly rare.
Bosa was more agile I looked a few weeks ago.
I know you said you are fine with Barnett. I personally wouldn’t absolutely hate it, but I’d be a bit disappointed because I feel his ceiling is too limited for pick 14.
Do his testing numbers bother you?
A bit. But they do match the film (I thought he would have been a bit heavier). He’s not explosive but he can bend the edge. He’s solid against the run. How good he is going to be is going to depend on how many moves he can learn. Right now he really only has the one. But he’s got good pad level and hand usage so I’d feel confident he can pick up others.
If you said you can have Derek Barnett or Jordan Willis, I’d take Barnett.
A guy whose testing numbers bug me way more is Chris Godwin. He went 4.4 and a 4 flat shuttle (that’s jitterbug slot time) he should have been cooking dudes in college but his tape was that of a contested catch possession guy. Those numbers bamboozle me.
I’m inclined to believe that something was up with Tabor, numbers really don’t make sense. Though I was also willing to attribute it to smoking instead of training.
It just doesn’t make any sense. If he knew about it beforehand why would he still run? I highly doubt his agent would tell him to run if he wasn’t 100%. He looked fine during the pro day runs too.
Human beings make bad decisions. He just doesn’t look 4.7ish on tape.
Interesting. After Lattimore looks like no CB worth 14. And he has Quincy Wilson in the 2nd-3rd round as a SAFETY
Wilson can’t even tackle so putting him at safety is throwing him into the fire.
I saw Pro Football Weekly put Akhello Witherspoon at Safety.. I may have to stop buying their draft guides just for that..
It might be a good idea actually.
What? He’s a horrible tackler. That’s the only reason he’s not considered a top CB prospect because his cover skills are sweet
That was meant for not buying the PFW guides,
For Whatever this Domo tweet is worth:
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“Just 11 of Myles Garrett’s 31 sacks came against SEC Teams, while All but 4 of Derek Barnett’s 32 sacks came against SEC teams”
Fast forward to September, please. I neeeeeedta see Eagles football.
I would settle for August and the sugar free Football that is Preseason.
The worst part of the year is after mini-camp. soooooo boring. Second worst is after we’re eliminated from playoff contention. Yeah…. I’ll let myself out now.
Just think, for Browns fans those two time periods overlap.
as weird as it seems – this is the exciting times of the offseason…boring times ahead…
Economist does a nice job of summing this up.
“To bring the Raiders to Las Vegas, Nevadan taxpayers must contribute
$750m, a record subsidy, of the costs for the new stadium, which will be
collected by raising hotel taxes. This is in keeping with a history of
billionaire owners demanding that municipalities pay for a new or
improved stadium and then threatening to leave—as the Raiders have done
in Oakland, making them the third NFL franchise to opt for relocation in
15 months—if their requests were not met. Indeed, local taxpayers still
owe $95m for the renovation of the Coliseum stadium in 1995, which
brought the Raiders back to Oakland after a stint in Los Angeles. From
2000 to 2010, 14 NFL stadiums were built, with the public financing 44%
of costs for a total bill of $3.9bn. No other tax scheme redistributes
money to billionaires in the same way with such questionable public benefit.
There is no evidence of taxpayers gaining benefits to match this outlay,
despite the extravagant claims of owners about the economic benefits of
a city hosting a franchise. The executive director of the Coliseum
Authority in Oakland recognises as much, saying
that it would be “financially to our benefit” if the Raiders left as
soon as possible, and that housing the team costs the stadium $1m a
year, even excluding the renovations necessary to entice the franchise
back in 1995. The notion that taxpayers funding stadiums is a “Field of Schemes” is well established;”
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2017/04/raiders-and-pillagers
so the casinos and organized crime will now have a direct link to pro football.
I do wonder if Roseman is thinking too about the fact that the Eagles don’t have a 2nd round pick in 2018 and that he’ll be looking to trade back somewhere early in this draft to try to recoup a 2nd pick or add another 3rd round pick:
Eagles 2018 picks:
1 – Eagles’ own pick
3 – Eagles’ own pick
4 – Eagles’ own pick
4 – (Acquired from Vikings as part of the Sam Bradford trade)
4 – (Acquired from Patriots for Eric Rowe); This pick will become a third-round pick if Rowe plays in at least 50 percent of the Patriots’ defensive snaps either in 2016 or 2017
5 – Eagles’ own pick
6 – Eagles’ own pick
7 – Eagles’ own pick
The Eagles own the Vikings first rounder so it didn’t matter if they won or lost the last game, right?
Yup. Beating the Giants only hurts a little bit in later rounds. And we just traded back in the 3rd anyways.
It was the best of both worlds, being able to root for your team without having it hurt your first round pick
Except…Cleveland has their pick and they have Minnesota’s. Last game cost Phila only in later rounds.
But wouldn’t you rather the Browns pick at 10 instead of 12?
Your right.
light years ahead and soooo many things can happen. Guessing HR finds away to get into the 2nd round. That’ll be year 3 of the draft for the HR/Pederson combo, and we shouldn’t put a ‘must nail’ draft but it’ll be a very important year for Pederson/HR(et al).
If Bradham were suspended, and given he’s a FA in 2018, then perhaps we’d need to keep Kendricks after all. Or do we trade Kendricks, then draft someone early-ish to replace Bradham next year? Or re-sign him to starters money? It’ll be interesting to see if LB is addressed at all – adding or subtracting players.
Looking at the pre-draft list of players who’ve visited for a workout, it doesn’t seem like the Eagles are working out many LBs, so maybe they aren’t concerned about Bradham long-term.
Cordrea Tankersley CB Clemson: -6’1″ running a 4.4 with 32 inch arms. -Clemson plays a lot of cover 2 man and for the most part, CT is a “sticky” corner who is always in the WR face. He’s aggressive and it can sometimes give him trouble down the field, however, I do wonder how many of the flags called on him were due to reputation from the year before. -He has the speed (4.40) and I believe it shows up on tape. -although he doesn’t always get his head around he is able to. -Isn’t necessarily the most agile cb with a clunky back pedal and average change of direction skill. -I think his instincts are actually fair to good. He is able to come up and make contact with WR as soon as the ball touches their hands on curl routes. -He has a knack for being around the ball and generating turnovers with 8 in two seasons. -Tackling is fair to good for a CB although it is clear to see lack of effort at times. – Defends well in tight spaces and is an asset in RZ defense. Overall I think CT is a tall, long cb who is able to “stick” to WR. He has average ball skills when going deep and due to his lack of an elite track may never be a “#1” CB. However, if he can continue to develop his knack for turnovers it could be his calling card. Fran Duffy stated in a recent video that Schwartz like to run a lot of zone coverage’s and I do think CT could work in them. Keep the ball in front of him and let the turnover instincts take over. CT is a solid corner and will probably get drafted in the second round. I wouldn’t mind the Eagles taking him with the 2nd or even trading back a bit if they think he would still be available.
At this point, I feel like any 2 CBs picked between rounds 1-4 will be adequate starters and an improvement over last year. So many CBs in this draft projected to be decent players, I really hope we land at least 2.
Has speed but is a well below average (22 %-tile) NFL athlete https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/cb/
His 3 cone and vert certainly arent terribly umpressive
Those numbers were a bit concerning, but his length does help negate some of those issues. I think he will be a quality starter that. Could help solidify one of those CB positions.
Imagine how fast he could run if he used his legs instead!
i lol’ed
He’s also 24 in November.
If we don’t go CB round 1, I’d imagine Tankersley and Awuzie are at the top of the board at 43.
I like king and sutton…would stay away from adoree though
Des or Kevin?
kevin
I just don’t know that Schwartz will vibe on a guy that doesn’t tackle.
I agree..but he has the measurables and temperament that remind me of sherman. He can definitely grow to be a solid #2 corner.
Does that mean Conley is off the board too?
I don’t know that they’ll be off the board but I think Schwartz would want to get in the room with them and see what makes them tick.
Agree 100%.
recency bias — but what sticks out with desmond king is his shaky senior bowl. did it expose flaws or did he just have a shaky game?
Didn’t watch the game. IIRC he was a little up and down during the week. I don’t think he’s a great option outside in alot of schemes. Cover 2 certainly he could. He’s not a guy you’re going to leave singled up against 9 routes all game long.
His best fit to me is as a guy who lets you stay in nickel as your base, or as a Malcolm Jenkins type safety who can drop into the slot in subpackages.
If Solomon Thomas is there at 8 do you trade up? How about 10?
14 to 8 would take at least a 3 and something else. To 10 should only take a 3 this year
Thomas seems to be a better Vinny Curry. He’s better suited rushing against guards than tackles.
If all the defensive studs are gone but Howard and the top 3 WRS are still available. Do the iggles go Howard and now forge a lethal 2 TE set offense with Ertz and him , do we go with the human bullet with a scary injury history or the 2 red zone threats Davis or Williams.
Personally I’d go with the most talented option with no injury history and that would be Howard. The run pass opportunities in the 2 tight end sets would be phenomenal cause dude can block and pass.
I have ben advocating this as well. IF Howard really is this generational talent at TE, and great value at 14, you could just get him and create a 2 TE offense with ertz next year after celek is out. Depends on the coaches scheme of course, but it could be pretty great. Think hernandez/gronk, but, you know, without the murderous psychopathy.
Ertz should be as much a factor in draft decisions as he is on the field.
So not much of a factor in the first few rounds, but heavily involved in the last few rounds?
Heard a few beat reporters who think this draft is too deep with TE to not come away with one at some point in this draft and considering Celeks age, and Burtons expiring contract it would make sense even if they have to carry 4 TEs on the roster for one year.
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Im a firm believer in any position can be weaponized and make a tremendous difference if you have a special enough Player. If Oj Howard Is that legit special game changing Talent, I wouldn’t have a problem with It
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Do Ertz and Howard have skillsets that can compliment each other well enough like the Pats had with Gronk and Hernandez? Or are their skillsets redundant enough to make the value we get out of going TE in round 1 problematic?
See, this is why it’s easy to hate the Cowboys. Headline on ESPN site is about whether Romo deserves to be in the Hall. Just wow.
I know, he hasn’t even broadcasted a single game yet and they already want to shrine his a$$.
http://www.nab.org/events/awards/overview.asp?id=1926
He is considered much better than he was just because he played for Dallas and had a very high career passer rating.
He made 4 Pro Bowls in 10 years, which correspond to the only 4 years the Cowboys made the playoffs. He also sat on the bench for 3 years (including this past season), which many include to make it sound like he had that passer rating over 13 years.
Romo is similar to McNabb. If either would have won a Superbowl, they probably would be in in the HOF. I would consider Romo and McNabb better than Eli, but with his Superbowl wins, Eli seems like a shoe-in for the HOF.
I was joking about him being in the HOF of broadcasters.
Actually, I think Romo is a true HOF talent for QBs. I think he was greatly underrated for most of his career. If he’d had just a bit more talent around him, they’d have won lots of games and he’d have the wins to go with the stats.
Oops, I thought you meant Football HOF.
Romo had major gaffes that defined his career. People forget about them and see his QB rating and gave him a ton of sympathy for the late career injuries and pity party because he got replaced by Dak.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/no-9-tony-romo-biggest-blunders-gallery-1.1974173
On the road traveling, so have no idea if this has been covered. Article in NJ sports.com has projection of many trades at draft including:
1. Kelce to Chiefs for a 4th
2. Kendricks to the Bengals for a 4th
OT: This is genius. Go here and scroll down where these guys make up captions about the various players. Totally non-Iggles, but so worth it. There are some funny mofos out there. #wisdomofcrowds
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/4/8/15227692/skeleton-crew-spurs-beat-mavericks-in-a-basketball-ish-kind-of-game
I enjoyed Jernigans pressconfrence:
1)’Interesting to hear how higly he thinks of Jason Kelce calling him one of the best centers He has faced because of how well he moves
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2) can’t help to get excited about how Genuinly excited he seems to get to play in an attack scheme for the first time ever, Talked a lot about how teams always wanted to use him to keep the Linebackers clean and it’s going to be exciting to see what unleashing this kid and łet him focus on getting in the backfield every play looks like
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3) Schwartz told him he was going to have a big year and that he has plans for him
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4) Called Fletcher Cox a “Dog” and is excited about playing with him. Talked a little about how it’s going to be hard for teans to double team either of them because of the others ability to win 1 on 1’s. He called another one of our defenders a dog too, maybe BG?
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5) Either he took coaching from his agent serious, or he Genuinly sounds like someone who is all about football and winning
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6) every top defense has:
A big ass Samoan
Someone with log dreadlocks
Player with a Gold Grill in his mouth, Jernigan fills our gold grill quota
dreads too, no?
Yes sir, But I think Brooks or someone on our defense already fill the dreads quota?
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Any big ass Samoan’s with gold teeth and dreadlocks available in the draft? That’s what I call “Checking all the boxes”
We could use a Polomalu set of hair for sure, especially with the Red Rider nursing his long locks/transparent pectorals.
Im not very familiar with the first round defensive end talent that will be available this year, but I would think the Eagles would be very interested in adding another DE at some point in the first half of the draft! Possibly as high as #14. It looks like we are going to be really young at Cornerback which means extra pressure on The DL to generate enough pressure to compensate
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Its been forever since The Eagles really drafted a premier edge terror in round 1, I don’t see how anyone could complain if the Eagles go that direction. If we could land an elite pro bowl talent with The 14th pick, few positions would provide more bang for our buck than a premier defensive end.
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BG, Jernigan and Cox are certainly 3/4th of the ELITE DL needed to counter some of the OL and WR firepower we will face in the NFC East, we really need to upgrade the other DE spot whether it’s by drafting a DE or guys like Curry/MS2 start producing at a higher level. We are so close to having an Elite Defensive Line, It would be a shame to not take the final step. Our DL Depth is solid, we just need to get more out of the starting DE opposite of Graham. and upgrade Kendricks our #3 LB and our Front 7 should be ready for battle
Would love Barnett at 14. Then each of our DLineman would have the potential to destroy their matchup on any given play
Always like game breakdowns more than highlights. This is a good one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtDT6fEJXnE
Its Lattimore vs Oklahoma. Lots of good prospects in the game breakdown tho that could possibly be in play for Iggles. Lattimore, Conley, Hooker, Mixon, Perine, Westbrook.
Domo: “11 of Myles Garrett’s 31 sacks came against SEC competition, while 28 of Derek Barnett’s 32 Sacks came against SEC competition”
That stat has been a round all offseason. If anything it shows that stats like these don’t matter because Garrett is the vastly superior prospect.
Beau Allen suffered upper body injury while working out.
That doesn’t sound good. How long will you miss time with a torn pec?
For a big DT like Beau that’s PUP list at the minimum.
If he misses the season though it will be a non football injury and he will play 2018 on the last year of his rookie deal.
Damn. So No comp pick for him in 2019..?! I kid I kid…
i dunno…but This is exactly why going DL in the firrt round is a sound strategy and not a waste of resources as many believe on this forum. Hoping those arthritic shoulders scare off some teams and allen drops to us
Going DL is never a waste of resources.
I still don’t want Allen.
Eagles defensive tackle Beau Allen suffered an upper body injury in the chest/pectoral area last week, according to sources. The injury is expected to require surgery.
The Eagles had no comment.
Allen’s injury occurred while working out on Thursday, so it happened after the Eagles acquired defensive tackle Tim Jernigan.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Eagles-DL-Beau-Allen-suffers-upperbody-injury-while-working-out.html
So this is what happened to those extension talks. Sucks but certainly not the end of the world at this point. I just hope its not the end for Beau.
Tony McDaniel , age 32 who was on Seattle 3 of the last 4 years and had 43 tackles last year is still out there if they want a stopgap backup insurance. Not much out there that would be better than a JAG but cheap.
Upper body injury? I didn’t even know he could skate!
Probably out for the year. Especially at that position