Name Chasing

Posted: April 12th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 173 Comments »

The Eagles should trade for Richard Sherman!!!

No wait, what about Joe Haden?

Feel free to insert the name of another star player. Any way you slice it, these don’t sound like good ideas. The Eagles are in the process of trying to build a championship team. Draft picks are crucial to that process. You don’t want to trade picks for veterans unless the price is right.

Richard Sherman is still a darn good CB. But he’s also 29 years old. And the fact Seattle is either shopping him or actively listening to offers tells you they are open to dealing him. Why would they do that? He’s a declining player (from great to very good at this point) and this draft class is loaded with CBs. Seattle can draft a couple and hope to find a younger, cheaper CB who can take his place.

I think the Haden thing is pure speculation, but that’s another bogus idea. He will turn 28 this spring, but has only played in 18 games over the past 2 years and his play is declining.

If either of the players was available for the right price, I’d be fine with taking a chance on them. Trades can be beneficial when trying to build a team. Where would Seattle be if they hadn’t dealt for Marshawn Lynch? You have to remember that Seattle gave up a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick to get him. That is worlds different than pick 14 overall.

If the Eagles were coming off a couple of outstanding seasons and it felt like the team was just one player away from getting to the Super Bowl, that would change the equation. That’s not the case right now. The Eagles situation in 2017 is going to heavily depend on how Carson Wentz plays. If he takes a big step forward, this team can be a contender. If he is inconsistent, the team will likely be the same.

I know some people will make the argument that the Eagles would be better off with Sherman or Haden than Danny Watkins, Marcus Smith or whatever bust you choose to insert in that scenario. The draft is risky. No question about that.

Those people fail to mention the Eagles could land the next Fletcher Cox or whichever star player you want to insert in that scenario. If you hit on a 1st round pick, it can be huge for your team for a while because you add young, cheap talent.

I miss the days when Jerry Jones would trade for Roy Williams, sign Terrell Owens and covet every star player on other teams. He’s backed off that now and lets his football people focus on the draft. Dallas has hit on some key picks and built up a strong OL and very talented offense, all home grown. You have to trust your football people to draft and then develop players.

I’m all for using trades and free agency to help your team, but you want to build the bulk of the roster using the draft. That means keeping your picks and taking chances. There will be some busts. But if you hit on enough of them, you can build a really good team. The Eagles have a good core in place. They need another draft or two to help push this group over the top.

Unless someone has a fire sale, this just isn’t the time to be dealing for veterans.

*****

When I mention the Eagles are building, some people take that to mean that winning is somehow not to be expected. That’s not the case at all. The Eagles were building in 2000 when they won 11 games and even a playoff game. They were building in 2001 when they won 11 games, the division title and reached the NFC Championship Game. You can build and win at the same time.

I expect the Eagles to be a playoff contender this season. I don’t expect them to win 13 games and be the #1 seed in the NFC. It would be great if the team is ahead of schedule and that happens, but a lot of things would need to go right.

You don’t want to count on all those things happening.

The organization has preached patience this offseason because they are taking a long term approach. If the Eagles did want the best possible team for just one season, then trading for Sherman would be the smart move. When you are trying to build a team that can sustain winning for several years, you have to balance being patient and aggressive.

The Eagles aggressively went out and got Carson Wentz.

This year they are trying to be patient as they try to build around him.

But the goal is still to win games. This isn’t about stockpiling talent for some magical year in the future. The Eagles want to win. They want to be a playoff team this season. They are keeping one eye on that and one eye on the future. With young stars like Carson Wentz and Fletcher Cox, that is absolutely the right thing to do.

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  • bushisamoron

    Agree. Chasing a players history with draft picks and dollars is the recipe for mediocrity.

    • wee2424

      That or straight disaster.

  • GermanEagle

    My apologies if my previous comment re the Sherman trade scenario caused Tommy to write this article.

    Mea culpa.

    • A_T_G

      I guess you noticed that if you unscramble all of the capital letters in the article, it spells “GERMANEAGLE NEEDS ROOT CANAL WITHOUT ANESTHESIA.”

      • A Roy

        Is it possible German Eagle = GEAGLE?

        • Sb2bowl

          No way- not enough raNdoM capital lettErs

          • A Roy

            I was thinking an alter ego. Calm. Rational. German. as opposed to the excitable boy…with a bow to Warren Zevon, RIP.

          • Mac

            Being an Eagles fan with mental illness is so commonplace they’ve made a movie about it.

          • MattE

            HAHAHA, ^^ this is great

        • A_T_G

          Thems fightin’ words, son.

    • TommyLawlor

      Not you. Various people getting too hyped on thoughts of Sherman.

      • GermanEagle

        Ha! Seems like ze German got away with murder. 🙂

      • scratcherk

        mikey miss perhaps? his infatuation with sherman is infuriating.

      • A Roy

        URLAKKERZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • wee2424

          I love it.

      • ChoTime

        Did someone on this board want him? If so, I missed it…

  • Ryan Rambo

    Interesting……ran across this and thought I’d share!

    https://youtu.be/1J_SbFJgNos

    • Bert’s Bells

      Hoyer is brutal.

      • A_T_G

        Jimmy had a video of every throw to Jeffery last year. Cutler is not great, but after he went down it became absurd. At least three times Hoyer threw a quick out, behind the line, to Jeffery and couldn’t put it within his catch radius.

    • A_T_G

      Good stuff…for us.

  • nopain23

    Reading the tea leaves it appears that at 14 none of the defensive stalwarts will be there . BPA would most likely be the top 3 WRS and Mccaffrey.

    A co worker ( who is a CFB fanatic ) made a revealing comment yesterday. He said Mccaffrey has the best hands in the draft. Dude catches everything and rarely fumbles if ever.

    How many drops and inopportune fumbles have tormented eagles fans over the years? So the question is . Is the 14th pick in the 2017 draft worth selecting a player with the best HANDS. Couple that with uncanny elusiveness and incredible vision. Throw in high football IQ and a tireless work ethic. Top it off with no medical red flags nor off the field issues.( to the best of my knowledge)

    That might be a player I’m willing to take at 14.
    Not a huge mccaffrey fan but i’m warming up to the possibility of taking him at 14.

    • Green Sea Turtle

      I like watching exciting Eagles players, and the most exciting in the past 25 years or so have been Westbrook, McCoy, McNabb, Cunningham, Sproles, Dawkins, and White. Five of those seven made defensive players lose their shoes. Three of them could catch as well as run. Yeah, I’d be up for McCaffrey if he has a chance of looking like that.

      • wee2424

        Jackson and Vick.

        • ChoTime

          Yes.

      • TexColoradoTheArizonaAssassin

        T.O. was exciting both on and off the field.

    • Bert’s Bells

      He’d probably fumble on the one yard line in a one score game to determine the NFC East. Because Eagles.

      • Rellihcs

        Boooo

        • Bert’s Bells

          NFCCG?

          • Rellihcs

            I hate that attitude. That’s all. I generally hate negativity about football in April too…

    • Sean Stott

      McCaffrey is Lesean McCoy mixed with Julian Edelman. It’s going to suck watch him getting picked in the top 10 and missing out. He’s a game changer…

    • Mr. Magee

      No way is he worth the 14th pick. And only way there are no defensive stalwarts available is if no QBs are taken in the first 13 – I’d say that’s about a 50/50 proposition.

  • kajomo

    Can someone please explain to me what they see in McCaffrey that would make them want him over Dalvin Cook?

    To me Dalvin is far and away the better prospect. At this point I honestly don’t care about his off the field stuff. He seems to have his shit together now, is a hard worker, and a good teammate.

    Christian McCaffrey is not one of the best 25 players in this draft and certainly not worth #14. I agree that an versatile weapon at RB could transform this offense, but Cook would be the answer there.

    CM would be a big time reach and is against everything this organization has been preaching all offseason. They want the BPA and brought Jor Douglas in to help ensure they do that. I don’t see how anyone could honestly feel CM is the BPA at 14.

    • Rellihcs

      Yes. What I see in McCaffrey is an (his) agent who sees an opportunity to drum up a lot of buzz and potentially maximize profits.

      PS – Scott Stott might be the agent…

    • A_T_G

      The off field stuff does bother me. I want guys I don’t feel slimy rooting for, even more than I want to see them get a ring.

      Besides that, though, here is from Walter football:
      Strengths-
      Fast, explosive play-maker
      Slashing back
      Very sudden
      Patience
      Excellent vision
      Rare feel, instincts as a runner
      Very good knee bend, body lean
      Great elusiveness to dodge tacklers
      Consistent sources of big plays
      Threat to rip off a long gain on any touch
      Elusive runner
      Great cutting ability
      Finishes runs well
      Can get yards after contact
      Soft hands as a receiver
      Great route-runner
      Quickness to get open
      Very good at getting separation
      Excellent run-after-the-catch ability
      First-step quickness
      Second-gear speed
      Sudden
      Big-play threat
      Tough enough to run the ball between the tackles
      Explosive burst at the second level as a runner
      Dangerous in the open field
      Experienced and successful against good college programs
      Makes big plays in the clutch
      Durability
      Ready to contribute immediately
      Intelligent
      Hard worker
      Team leader
      Competitor
      Pushes his teammates to be better

      Weaknesses-
      Lacks ideal bulk
      Can he handle a big work load of carries in the NFL?
      Some teammates don’t like how he pushes them

      It’s not like there isn’t plenty to like. RB probably isn’t the call on round 1, but if it is I hope this is the guy.

      • kajomo

        I’ve discussed the off field issues to death, but I take the position of trusting the Eagles. None of us know many facts and pass judgement on misinformation and speculation.

        I don’t dislike CM overall. I’d love him in the 2nd. Give me John Ross and CM as our first two picks and I’d be thrilled. I would be disappointed with him as our pick at 14. He’s poor value there for a team that desperately needs a talent infusion.

        He is much more of an offensive weapon than a true NFL RB. If we had Josh McDaniels, Sean payton, or Mike Mccarthey game planning and calling plays I’d be considerably more comfortable with CM as the pick. I’m not a Doug hater, but he’s not some great offensive genius. This offense performed the best when Matthews and/or Smallwood ran the ball between the tackles keeping us in schedule. That just isn’t CM’s game. Cook would give us a truly complete RB that is still deadly in the passing game.

        • A_T_G

          I am having trouble seeing how this…

          “None of us know many facts and pass judgement on misinformation and speculation”

          …doesn’t perfectly describe what you did in the earlier post…

          “At this point I honestly don’t care about his off the field stuff. He seems to have his shit together now, is a hard worker, and a good teammate.”

          Speculation goes both ways. Of course he is going to be on best behavior leading up to the draft. I think a guy’s action when he is comfortably secure in his current role is more telling.

          If you want to say trust the team, I am with you. Like I said, I don’t think RB is the pick, and I trust the team with that valuation. Your question wasn’t about value at 14 or RB vs. WR, it was which RB.

          I think McCaffrey is a great weapon with proven production, football lineage, clean character, and would thrive in this offense. As for needing a between the tackles guy…
          “He now has nine-straight 100-yard games, and for a player of his size, he’s proven to be remarkably adept between the tackles and through contact. This season he is averaging 2.5 yards per carry after contact and has forced 53 missed tackles on 260 carries.”
          https://www.profootballfocus.com/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-our-no-1-college-running-back/

          • kajomo

            As to behavior I said “it seems”. I didn’t make a definitive statement like many people here do when they say “I don’t want him on this team” or “he is scum” etc. I said “it seems”. Big diffference.

            Production in college is somewhat overrated because it doesn’t always correlate to NFL production. We see productive players flop and players drafted on potential flourish all the time. It’s what makes projecting draft picks so difficult. CM is a dominant CFB no doubt. Not sure it will translate to dominant NFL back.

            All of this still doesn’t address my question. How is he better than Cook? If you want to talk production, Cook is ultra productive against the best teams in CFB, not the underwhelming PAC12. Cook dominated Clemson and Michigan. CM against Washington, 12 for 49 as a runner. That is the closest thing to an NFL front 7 he faced all year.

          • A_T_G

            No, that was not your question. Your question was why do people want McCaffrey over Cooks. I explained what I like about his game and why I would prefer to see him in Eagles green. I think that exactly answers your question, even if you disagree.

            Second, it appears you are defending your statements as not being speculation because you prefaced them with “he seems…”. I read “he seems” as the very hallmark that what is about to follow is pure speculation.

          • Mac

            Idk about all the other stuff, but when I read this line: “I l’d love him in the 2nd.”

            That sums up how I feel about McCaffery. Especially because my opinion is that he would be a luxury pick with Sproles and Smallwood in house already.

            But… I wouldn’t want any of these RBs in round 1 any more than I want to eat at Arby’s ever again in my life.

          • A_T_G

            Yeah, I don’t think RB is the right pick in the first either.

            And, yeah. Remember when we used to think fast food tasted good? I am embarrassed to admit I had eaten there too many times before realizing the Arby’s-RB connection.

        • FairOaks

          “I would be disappointed with him as our pick at 14. He’s poor value there for a team that desperately needs a talent infusion.”

          but then

          “He is much more of an offensive weapon than a true NFL RB.”

          So, in other words, he could be a talent infusion. Sproles-like, even? If he is the player who could help your team the most, then it’s not “poor value” unless you know you could get him with your second round pick. I think it’s likely a player who could help you more would be available at 14 — so that would also be “poor value” I guess — but he could still very well be a significant talent infusion which helps Wentz a lot, and could have a long career together (unlike Sproles).

          • kajomo

            No matter who we pick at 14 they are likely an improvement on the talent we currently have. That doesn’t make it good value.

            I also said this offense works best with a true RB. If it were up to me I’d cut Sproles because I do not feel we utilize him all that well.

            Again I don’t hate CM. He just isn’t worth 14. Anencephaly my original question is how is he a better choice than Cook. Everyone is so quick to defend CM, but ignores the fact that he likely won’t even be the best RB available, never mind the BPA.

    • Sean Stott

      I think it’s insane to pretend CM isn’t a top 25 prospect. I predict he’ll be gone by the time the Eagles pick, and most likely in the top 10. He’s being underrated.

      • Rellihcs

        You spend a lot of time on message boards for an agent.

      • Mac

        How many scatbacks get drafted in the 1st round?

        • Anders

          Mccaffrey is not a scatback.

          Would you draft Brian westbrook or jamaal Charles at 14?

          • Mac

            I would not.

          • Anders

            Mccaffrey is one of the top athletes at the rb spot in this draft. So if you think he lacks wiggle then the rest is doomed

          • Mac

            I’m not going to say I have any kind of objective measure other than being extremely reticent to spend 1st round picks on any running back. With McCaffrey in specific… things get even more hazy because I think it’s mostly a gut feeling that his amazing college tape will translate into a pretty average NFL career. He’s interesting enough that I would do a 2nd rounder for him (which in my case is relatively high praise).

  • Mac

    Why screw around with an aging average CB when you can draft the one that Seattle wants at 14?

    It’s Humphrey day.

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      I see SEA going after Kevin King

      • Mac

        Sparqy.

        • Will Ft. Daft Punk

          Kid is a super freak. I’m a little down we wont have a shot at him at 43

          • Mac

            Yeah, that would be pretty amazing.

          • Will Ft. Daft Punk

            I really like him. Not even going to hide it. If we took him instead of Humprey, Conely or White Id wouldn’t be upset.

      • D3FB
  • eagleyankfan

    Mention the word rebuild and people start thinking the Eagles are purposely not trying to win games. Of course you’re still “trying” to win games, but if you’re rebuilding, you do not have the pieces in place to contend.
    …..
    Eagles sign a player (example Long) and people think – see, Eagles aren’t rebuilding, they are trying to win now. That’s not the case at all. Eagles would like to build a winning atmosphere. Carry that forward with building the right team. It’s a process. I like to think of it this way. ‘Winning’ isn’t gauged by the win/lose record. Last year got Wentz. Win! Sign key players(Cox). Win. In another year(or 2), the team can be judged by wins and loses. Right now, wins in the record column are a bonus. Eagles have 2 very good young players to build around. Let the team build. Keep ship pointed in the right direction.
    ….
    2017 and 2018 drafts are key. Eagles need to nail a few players the next couple of years. That will lead to expectations of playing deeper into the season …

  • BobSmith77

    Good post Tommy. I am perplexed why fans want this team to trade for Sherman and possibly even give the 1st round pick this year.

    Ditto on winning this year. The goal should be to win 9-10 games this year and make the playoffs at a minimum.

    I don’t want to hear Lurie/Roseman next offseason tout more patience from the fans if this team wins 6-8 games again next year as they continue to rebuild. They refused to state they were rebuilding last offseason even though it was clear they were once they traded for the #2 pick & were gong to draft Wentz.

    • ACViking

      I am perplexed why fans want this team to trade for Sherman and possibly even give the 1st round pick this year.

      Because most fans (i) have no grasp of history, and (ii) are not particularly bright.

      • BobSmith77

        Hard to gauge though how many fans actually want them to actively try and do this.

        I bet it is actually a minority but the journalists who cover the Eagles are drumming up it to fill this dead space right before the draft.

        • ACViking

          Regardless . . .

          Too many fans are not just indifferent about the past but willfully ignorant.

          Combine with beer-fueled judgment . . .

          And you have talk radio.

          • Rellihcs

            Mark Bowden in his book “Brining the Heat”, calls it “id people”.

            I think that sums it up best.

          • Dave

            We’ve come full-circle on our news sources. It used to be you received your news from the radio and newspaper. Then cable television came along and could really provide details to go with the headlines. At first it was fantastic. ESPN, MTV, CNN and others all kicked ass in the mid to late 1980s.

            Fast forward to the television and cable ratings war and we are left with the mighty newspapers providing the best coverage with radio and television misinforming the masses to generate ratings and justify humongous salaries and commercial revenue rates.

            Anytime I hear someone tell me what they heard from WIP, Fox, CNN, Mike & Mike, ESPN, etc., I immediately the them out.

          • ACViking

            Dave –

            Excellent point.

          • eagleyankfan

            fast forward to people hanging onto every tweet by every sports related possible….

          • Dave

            The thing about a Tweet is that you can dismiss it as garbage right after you’re done reading it. With radio and television, it may be dragged on ad nauseam to a allow all the talking heads time to give their inflated opinion on the subject.

            But for many others, your point is well taken…I read it on Twittter so it must be true.

  • Ark87

    Really cool Podcast interviewing Malcolm Jenkins.

    https://theringer.com/ringer-nfl-show-podcast-8695caba0219

    0 football, so don’t look do any. Really about him and his efforts as an activist. Just a great insight into Malcolm and his intelligence and what makes the team rally around him.

    He really gets it, he isn’t trying to just make noise, he is dedicated to understanding police officers, communities and the gaps between them. He is learning about the criminal justice system and the legislatures that can change them. He is actually figuring out what he needs to do to make a difference and it’s pretty awesome. When he talks about it and takes action it just seems possible, as opposed to 2 sides screaming about it makes it seem like an unsolvable quaqmire.

    I know some people are touchy on BLM and all that, but it’s worth a listen, he’s making the effort to see both sides, it’s worthwhile to see his.

    • Mr. Magee

      I guess, if you’re into that sort of thing

      • Ark87

        goes without sayings

    • Julescat

      not worth a listen. Jenkins should stick to football.

      • Ark87

        Why do you say that?

    • P_P_K

      It’s probably really hard for someone in Jenkins position to make a difference. Whatever you say or do, people can discount it, “Ah, he’s just a football player.” He’s obviously a sincere individual doing his best to make the world a better place. Regardless of political opinion, I admire anyone willing to educate themselves, act with integrity, and communicate in a respectful and effective manner. Proud that Malcom is an Eagle.

      • Julescat

        “Whatever you say or do, people can discount it,”

        sort of like the people Jenkins feels fit to criticize?

        • P_P_K

          If I understand you correctly, I agree with you. Discounting people without understanding them is a sign of ignorance.

    • Tdoteaglefan

      I actually listened to this last night, good interview. Have so much respect for him as a player and a man. I have a rule of only getting Jerseys of eagles that were Homegrown, but I might make an exception and get his.

  • GermanEagle

    This is how much it will cost (at least) if Eagles wanna keep Timmy beyond this year:

    Former Giants’ DT Johnathan Hankins, the top-rated available free agent, is signing a 3-year, $30M deal with Colts, source tells ESPN.

    • Insomniac

      We’re going to have to give him a million more per year so he feels wanted here. Gotta learn from past mistakes.

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      Is Timmy on the same level as Hankins, profile wise?

      • Insomniac

        Somewhere near the same level? I think Jernigan is a little better.

      • GermanEagle

        BEtter.

        • Rellihcs

          wHoa maN…

          • GermanEagle

            WhAt’s uP!?

          • Rellihcs

            keviN King’S drAFt STOcK

          • Will Ft. Daft Punk

            Kid is a freak

    • Patrick

      Maybe, but Hankins have been better than Jernigan the past couple of years. Seems to grade out incredible against the run on all sites, and while not many sacks, I think he has quite a lot of pressures/hurries/whatever they’re called. Also, theres rumors about a lot of incentives in that 30M.

      Timmy will have to step it up a lot to get a huge contract if you listen to Ravens fans/writers, but sacks gets you stacks and he is young. Kelce and possibly JP will be of the books next year, could have room to sign him if Schwartz wants him. If he underperforms and plays lazy, Schwartz could be disinterested.

    • A_T_G

      The best part is, the Giants still have a hole.

  • Insomniac
    • Sb2bowl

      Now we can get him in the 4th!

    • laeagle

      Is it just me, or does that headline read like it was written by one of the tentacled aliens in a jar from “The Simpsons”?

      “Player involved in altercation with human female…”

    • D3FB

      :'(

  • Rellihcs

    RBs and bad behavior

    (forgive redundancies if applicable)

    I’m a Pitt Alumn and such I was amazingly excited when the Eagles drafted shady. I was literally playing a gig (funk band keyboards at the time) and had my phone following the draft on the keyboard. I stopped mid solo an ran of stage to freak out when the pick was in.

    Later I developed sincere disrespect for lesean mccoy the person. I was able to still love the player and appreciate him for his amazing talents and body of work on the field.

    Now we’re in the position where AP is a POS. Mixon, Cook. (and of course this extends beyond RBs… see Insomniac’s post directly below..

    BUT – here’s my new justification – and if this is wrong, well it might be… but RBs tend to get a lot of concussions/cte/wear and tear. In the scheme of things were humanists have to really grapple with whether people should be playing violent football at all… well I am fine with the Eagles drafting an a-hole like Mixon because he’s going to get destroyed most of his life doing violent dumb (for his health) stuff on the field, we might as well capitalize off of it in the meantime. I’m not just talking about Mixon.

    We all love – and should – the Connor Barwins, Malcom Jenkins, types. And there’s awards for being a good person in the NFL – that’s amazing and should we hold those people in higher esteem than the a-holes? HELL YES.

    But to me, I feel like I can justify jerks because we’re really using their quality of life risking behavior for our own ishts and giggles anyhow.

    Maybe this is perverse of me… but I would be OK seeing Mixon or the likes in Eagles green because I’ve long past the part where morality is a big part of my belief in sports.

    Heck, I hate “god and guns”, but I’m a Carson Wentz Zealot…. so I compartmentalize those things anyhow….

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      The strangest justification I’ve seen for Mixon. If you dont like the guy then dont like the guy. No reason to wish brain damage on a guy for something he did a day after his 18th birthday. I dont like Mixon but I think thats taking it too far.

      And if you ok with the Eagles taking him then fine. Either way the sun is going to rise.

      • Rellihcs

        Yeah, I’m weird. Can’t argue with that.

        I don’t wish brain damage on anyone, but more and more I feel like it’s closer than not to a given for nearly all football players. I think everyone can agree on Mixon that he probably will play football for some team, probably for a while. So the brain damage thing isn’t really about whether he’d be playing for the Eagles or a different team…

        • P_P_K

          It’s an interesting theory. I’m thinking it’s also a personality thing. To be a successful rb at the D1 or pro levels, you have to be convinced you are the baddest mofo in the land. Maybe head injuries compound an existing personality trait?

          • Rellihcs

            Fascinating. Complex neuropsych research project ideas….

          • P_P_K

            We’ll be the first Iggles Blitz posters nominated for a Noble Prize.

          • Rellihcs

            Deal

            And ChoTime and I can play the after party.

          • P_P_K

            Play that funky music ’til you die!

          • unhinged

            But not for spelling.

          • laeagle

            Except German spelling

          • P_P_K

            You got me.

          • A Roy

            I assumed it was intentional. Too bad he copped to a misteak.

        • ChoTime

          BTW is there evidence RBs take more pounding than other positions? Linemen are getting hit by other 300 lb men every play.

          • Rellihcs

            Good question. I have no clue.

          • wee2424

            Yes, but they are generally bigger then their opponent on the other side, or at least close to the same size. Furthermore their arms ussually take most of the shock.

            A RB is generally moving at a higher rate of speed, the body or legs ussually is the part taking the hit. More often then not the RB is getting hit by players larger then him, and ussually hit by more then 1 player. As a RB your head also gets hit more often.

            I would say RB takes more of a beating.

            Compare the shelf life of a RB to a linemen. Granted that comparison isnt very accurate because being a RB requires athleticism which you lose through age, but the punishment of the position has alot to do with it.

          • ChoTime

            Consider that linemen usually hit other linemen. Each one is absorbing the explosive impact of another 300 lb dude every play. And even though their arms take the first contact, the force still conducts shock through the whole body, and the head still moves violently. I have heard that the micro-impacts might be even worse than the dramatic ones, and I also knew a trainer who told me the average lineman played with a ridiculous amount of stress fractures (20 or something?) in a season.

            RBs may have shorter careers because they are small guys who rely on speed and top athleticism, and those attributes begin to decline, shockingly, at about age 23-24 IRRC. Of course injuries are a part of that decline.

            I don’t know the answer, just throwing it out there.

    • Insomniac

      Indirect sadism?

      • Rellihcs

        Perhaps. Selfish transferred schadenfreude advantageousism?

        • GermanEagle

          10 Punkte for spelling Schadenfreude correctly.

    • unhinged

      Awesome! I can easily picture the look on the drummer’s face when you abruptly ran off stage. Anybody in the audience who found that amusing probably concluded you had to pee and couldn’t wait.
      On the subject of RB’s, do we need one? Yeah, but I hope your rationale for picking an a-hole is pre-empted by a resolve to NOT take an RB early. I think a very good OL and a run of the mill RB fares better than a great RB behind a so-so OL. We need a game-changing CB, LB or DE. A dynamic TE or a future Dawk would win my approval.
      On the ethical suspension or circumvention involved in signing POS players for the sole purpose of glory, I’m neutral. Being ANY kind of a fan of this game entails a gaudy amount of hypocrisy when you consider whose interests are being served, whose bodies are being abused (the same ones whose lives are being prematurely terminated), and who are the happy to be scammed. On balance, there are 31 winners every season, and they definitely do not care what we think.

      • Rellihcs

        Ha, the drummer was cool about it and understood, not so much for the guitar/bandleader. He’s a pats fan so his opinion doesn’t matter anyhow…

        RBs – yeah I was merely prepping myself mentally in case it’s Mixon or McCaffrey (not the off the field part but RB early), or Cook… I would be ecstatic with Hunt, Kamara, Perine, Connor, Dayes, and really several others… I’d prefer they focus on D early unless Corey Davis or Oj Howard is available (or I’d be OK with Ross).

        But yeah, you put it very well – “Being ANY kind of a fan of this game entails a gaudy amount of hypocrisy when you consider whose interests are being served, whose bodies are being abused (the same ones whose lives are being prematurely terminated), and who are the happy to be scammed. On balance, there are 31 winners every season, and they definitely do not care what we think.”

    • P_P_K

      If you were in Spinal Tap, the drummer would have exploded.

    • ChoTime

      Hmm, there’s probably lots of things wrong with this line of thinking, but I can sort of see your angle.

      Play that funky music, white boy!

      • P_P_K

        Lay down the boogie…

    • D3FB

      You’re a Pitt alum and would rather have Mixon at 43 than Conner at 99?

      • Rellihcs

        I’d be happy with either. And for value – yeah Conner at 99 for sure. But I think Mixon is a better RB than Conner.

  • iceberg584

    I’m not sure if it was mentioned around here yet, but Tom Modrak died a couple of days ago. He was let go when Andy Reid took over GM duties in 2001, but (and this is topical to Tommy’s post) I don’t think he gets enough credit for his role in building those Eagles teams of 2000-2004.

    • Bert’s Bells

      Didn’t see that, and I check the obits almost every day. Thanks!

      • GermanEagle

        I did post it here two days ago.

        • Bert’s Bells

          I only read posts under your GEAGLE account.

          • GermanEagle

            Ha! But these are shorter…

      • eagleyankfan

        good lord — how old are you? Reading the obits was something people did before the Internet… 🙂

    • johhnyblaze

      I think he’s pushing 30, not sure how he’s been playing

      • A_T_G

        I don’t think this is where you wanted this reply.

        • Mac

          It was close enough for government work.

  • johhnyblaze

    McCourtny released by titans

    • Mac

      Interesting… Here’s the problem I have with this idea: I have a good friend who is an actual living breathing Titans fan. His main complaint about the team is DB. So, I’d be skeptical.

    • nopain23

      titans have been a good trade buddy for the the eagles lately. strange howie couldnt finagle a trade sending them kendricks for mccourtny.

      on the other hand…mr. lattimore meet your new defensive coordinator dick lebeau.

      • Mac

        The 2nd part of this message is very real. They can have him and those hamstrings.

      • A_T_G

        He was due 7 million this year and discussions to renegotiate broke down. I don’t think the value was there.

  • RTP210

    Apparently Sherman is the one seeking a trade, not the Seahawks so the implication that they’re aware of him trending downwards and trying to dump him is kind of unfair. Having said that, we shouldn’t trade for him.

    • Mac

      Sit Ups in Seattle!

    • laeagle

      Schefter posted that a couple of days ago, and it’s shocking to me that no one else is picking up on that angle of the story. Not one article since then has talked about that; everyone is still assuming that this is something that the Seahawks are doing. I find that fascinating.

  • laeagle

    Are we at the point where we’re ready to start posting our ideal pick at #14, with (brief) reasons? If so, I think this should be your personal ideal pick. Not who you think the team _will_ pick, but who you think they _should_ pick (most mock drafts fail to make that important distinction). This will also be affected by who you expect to be available, so it’s not completely pie in the sky. Think of this as a horizontal mock draft instead of the vertical ones we see from everyone else.

    For me, it’s John Ross. I expect Davis to be gone by then, as well as CBs who are significantly better than those available at #43. I don’t like value on the RBs or the DL. I also think Ross brings a dynamic element to this offense, especially when (not if!) we sign Alshon long term. Alt pick, if available: Humphrey.

    • AddictedToPhilly

      I think I’d want OJ Howard.

      I’m not really a draft expert, but from what I’ve read, the CB’s aren’t worth it at 14, the WRs all have some issue, besides maybe Davis (Ross – injury, Williams – too slow), but as you’ve said he’s probably gone by then, and I’ve generally soured on him from what I’ve read, and then some of the other suggestions (Foster, Mixon) have some off-field issues that I’d rather avoid.

      I don’t think I’ve heard a single bad thing about Howard, though, other than he is a tight end, and that position isn’t really worth pick 14. But if he is really as good a blocker and receiver as I’ve heard, he could be a great pickup for the offense that is being built around Wentz (which is what I think the focus for the offseason has been, building around Wentz to give him a decent offense to grow in). Even if we are currently fine at TE, I think it would be worth the pick, if he’s still there (as I said, I’m not a draft expert, so I don’t really know where he is currently projected, but I’ve definitely heard him in the conversation).

      The other one I’ve heard that intrigues me is McCaffrey, but there have been a lot of raging debates about whether he is even a first round pick. I personally like the kind of player he is described to be, so I guess he would be my alternate pick, but I completely understand all of the arguments against him, so it would definitely be a risk.

      • aron

        I cant believe some of the stuff you post, you should give up

    • Insomniac

      Nope. It’s still up in the air for me between OJ Howard or a trading down for a CB if Lattimore is gone.

    • kajomo

      Dalvin Cook or John Ross. We need a game changer on offense

    • eagleyankfan

      Impact player. Don’t care who he is offense or defense. I guess it’s easier to say who I don’t want. I don’t want an ‘old’ senior. (didn’t they do that years back with a lineman?). I want someone who is going to start – now. Not saying he has to be dominant – but someone who can come in and play and grow with the team. What scares me about CB — few years ago — pick number 19 — Giants select Prince. (bad memory – Watkins drafted ugh). (Side note – fun to look at old drafts – 2011 – year Gabbert/Locker/Ponder drafted in the top 12)

    • xmbk

      I guess Davis. But no matter what there will be some good players to choose from at 14. Depending on the team’s background research, I would be happy with any of the following: Foster, Humphrey, White, McCaffrey, Barnett, any of the three wideouts. If someone drops, great. But trading back is definitely preferable to trading up.

  • scratcherk

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d0267ae0cdb9a3a1925338b3b75024718d9555035497095e6f3a7bf8e9e9751e.jpg

    Chalk time with my daughter today… I really need the draft to get here quick…

    • A_T_G

      Wow, she is pretty good. How old?

      • scratcherk

        4…

        • scratcherk

          I worked her black chalk down to the nub, not sure she appreciated that.

        • A_T_G

          Hmm, I would have guessed at least 6.

          No, actually I am dumbfounded by people like you that can take some chalk and create that on your driveway. If I did something half that good I would be setting up a canopy over it while I researched clear concrete topcoats.

          • scratcherk

            lol

    • GermanEagle

      That is awesome mate. I am 38 years old and whenever my twin daughters who are 34.5 years younger than me asking me to draw a dog the result rather looks like a weezel without legs.

      • wee2424

        Im 28 and i still draw stick figures.

        • A Roy

          Must be Kempski

        • GermanEagle

          Hey JiMmY

        • P_P_K

          Minimalism.

          • wee2424

            Nice way to put it.

  • scratcherk

    Interesting that kiper mentioned today that Humphrey love may push lattimore down the board. Also that he wouldn’t be shocked if Conley is picked before lattimore

    • Insomniac

      That would be somewhat surprising. His hammies must be a real red flag.

      • scratcherk

        Draft him at 14 and pump him full of smoothies!

        • Insomniac

          I wouldn’t complain. Depends on what smoothies though, those avocados can get really expensive.

          • Sb2bowl

            If the Eagles can afford Megan Fox to serve as Tommy’s personal maid, I’m sure avocados won’t be much more expensive.

      • Will Ft. Daft Punk

        Draft him and get started him on a Yoga and swimming program.

  • Gary Barnes

    Agree the draft should be the main focus of roster and talent acquisition, but, that said, this also highlights again the crucial importance of drafting effectively which has not been the Eagles strong suit for most of their recent history. This is why Roseman’s admission he needed help and the arrival of Douglas are so vital. They will get it fixed or be replaced, simple as that. Get it done.

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  • Tdoteaglefan

    Just viewed an interesting 3 rd Mock.

    It had us trading up for Marshon lattimore. We had traded our #14 (1100 pts) and # 74 (220) to cincinatti for their 9th (1350)

    In the second round we recouped a third rd pick by trading back. We traded #43 (470) to denver for their 51 (390) and. # 101 (96). With pick 51 we take Sidney Jones and then D’onta foreman in the following round.

    How would everybody feel about that scenario?

    • xmbk

      We don’t have 74 anymore.

    • D3FB

      Don’t have the pick.

      Hate Foreman.

      Between Lattimore’s hammys and Sidney’s Achilles they’ll play like a combined 4 games this year.

      • xmbk

        Hate Foreman for the Eagles, or in general?

        • D3FB

          Yes

  • xmbk
  • Rome

    I can’t think of fewer things that would be dumber than giving away the farm for Richard Sherman. He’s on the decline, he makes a gazillion dollars and every time he opens his mouth, he causes or invites controversy. The Eagles are trying to build a team around Carson Wentz and Richard Sherman would be the ultimate band-aid acquisition. Pass.