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Posted: April 3rd, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 227 Comments »

Jonathan Allen is one of the best prospects in the upcoming draft. He has production, ability, size, character…everything you want. Unfortunately, he also has arthritic shoulders. We don’t know exactly how serious this is, but it obviously isn’t ideal in a kid just heading out of college.

Without the shoulder issue, Allen would be a lock to go Top 5. He still might go that high. But it is possible that Allen could slide. If he is on the board at 14, do the Eagles take him?

The key to this would be the fact that they would have to be comfortable with his shoulders. If they have any real doubts, pass on him and go to the next prospect. If the Eagles have a solid medical grade on him, then you move to the discussion about whether Allen is the right guy to take. It would be incredibly tempting to want to line this guy up beside Fletcher Cox every week.

And the play of the year.

I mean…wow. Just wow.

By the numbers. Allen is 6-3, 286. He hadΒ 12 sacks in 2015 andΒ 10.5 sacks in 2016. That is excellent production from a college DT. He isn’t a great athlete at all. His workout numbers are pedestrian.

I think Jim Schwartz would love Allen because of his ability as an interior rusher. Getting to the QB is the key to Schwartz’s defense and the best way to get to a QB is up the middle. As good as Bennie Logan was, he wasn’t a gifted pass rusher. I think that is the key reason the Eagles were willing to let him go. They wanted him back, but he wasn’t a guy to break the bank on.

One of the other benefits to having a guy like Allen in Schwartz’s scheme is that it would make stunts and loops even more dangerous. Vinny Curry and Brandon Graham have both played DT in the Nickel. Fletcher Cox can line up anywhere. Those guys could fly up the field or you could have then running twists and stunts and giving blockers fits.

Some of you will respond that the Eagles need DBs more than DL. That’s true. But what if no CB is rated as high as Allen? Don’t force picks due to need. This is only the 1st round. The Eagles could add Allen and get CBs in other rounds.

I doubt Allen slides down to pick 14, but if he does, I would have no problems with the Eagles taking him. Any time I have a chance to add a pass rusher, I’m all for it. The Eagles had 33 sacks last year. Adding a disruptive force like Allen would boost that total. It would also take pressure off Jalen Mills, Patrick Robinson and whatever rookies are on the way.

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227 Comments on “Slider?”

  1. 1 Weapon Y said at 12:08 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Allen is no. 1 on my big board. This would be a dream come true (with the caveat that we could be taking an injury risk).

  2. 2 Mac said at 12:47 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’m no doctor, nor do I play one on TV… but the arthritic shoulder issue scares the crap out of me. For this “top 5” level talent to fall all the way to 14, 9 other teams will have to have had a medical evaluation that told them to pass.

    Plus, as D3FB pointed out in the last thread Allen creates an issue with the deployment of DT resources on this team. As I recall, the Detroit Lions (under some hack named Jim Schwartz) had Suh and Fairley at DT. I was nearly 100% certain at that time that those players together would help to put that defensive unit over the top. Oops…

    2011: Suh 4.0 Fairley 1.0 Record 10-6 (Wild Card loss to Saints)
    2012: Suh 8.0 Fairley 5.5 Record 4-12
    2013: Suh 5.5 Fairley 6.0 Record 7-9 (Schwartz fired Dec 30th)

    Conclusive evidence that Allen shouldn’t be the pick at 14? Probably not, but I thought it was worth consideration.

  3. 3 Media Mike said at 4:59 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Thank you. “Doesn’t pair well with Cox” is all I needed to read in the last thread to allow me to pass on Allen.

  4. 4 A_T_G said at 7:43 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I had a swimsuit like that once.

  5. 5 xmbk said at 5:54 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Not sure what this is showing?

  6. 6 Mac said at 9:28 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Sack total for each player and team record. It’s open to anyone’s interpretation as to whether it’s meaningful or not. Just wanted to point out that two elite DTs have been paired, by our very own DC in recent history. So, we can look at the results.

    If memory serves correct, I believe those Lion’s defensive units were plagued with poor DB play… so the comparison could be even more frighteningly similar.

  7. 7 Sb2bowl said at 9:43 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Fairley didn’t live up to his draft hype, and has only really gotten into his groove with the Saints- though he’s never been the monster people imagined he could be in the league.

  8. 8 xmbk said at 10:42 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I would say there are a lot of other moving parts to a team. Those totals are solid for DT, though certainly not spectacular. But remember, he doesn’t blitz.

  9. 9 Mac said at 1:51 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    That’s part of my concern… I don’t happen to believe that adding a new improved DT is what our Dline needs. My opinion is that the only way we’ll see a serious improvement will be upgrading at DE (and I think that may even be a help to Curry, as he can get back to the utility role of rushing from DE/DT situationally). I believe one DE position is ok with Graham, the rotational guys are ok/good with Curry/Long, and DT is great with Cox, and doesn’t matter much for the other spot. Adding one higher tier edge rusher will put the unit up a notch. Adding a high tier DT will just keep things about the same as we saw last year.

  10. 10 xmbk said at 2:00 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    It’s a legitimate opinion. My preference would be for a top DE as well. My thought on Allen is that he can be a star player, and those make a difference at any position. But someone like Jamal Adams would probably have less upfront impact, due to depth at the position. Long term, he could have as much impact on a team as anyone in this draft.

  11. 11 Peter Smith said at 9:36 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I think he is suggesting that even stud DTs in Schwartz’s system don’t guarantee success. Ignores the Lions’ offensive woes but he is just throwing it out there as some food for thought.

  12. 12 Ryan Stocker said at 10:12 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Fairley was a massive disappointment though for his first few seasons. He had effort and conditioning issues and it plagued his play. Obviously that could happen with Allen too, but it’s not guaranteed or anything. But the same could be said about any prospect brought in.

  13. 13 Mac said at 10:23 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    You’re Fairley certain it was a lack of effort?

    I kid, but yes, that’s worth mentioning.

  14. 14 cloudkill22 said at 12:17 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    How many times do you think Howie/Joe has asked Schwartz this question in the last few months:

    “OK, Jim, if these guys fell, which one will have the single BIGGEST impact on our defense right away?”, and then listed names like Allen, Foster, Thomas, Reddick, etc.

    I don’t rule out Howie jumping us up a few spots even. Man, 14 is such a great spot. We’re so used to being in the 20’s and just missing out on elite picks. This month is going to feel like a year waiting….

  15. 15 rls255 said at 6:52 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I was wondering about jumping up a few spots as well, especially if Allen starts to slide. The shoulders definitely scare me but the prospect of adding him to our DL is tempting. Think of how many sacks our DEs gained off penetration from Cox and Logan over the past couple of years. In that way, getting another inside penetrator may free things up for the guys on the outside. Tempting…..

  16. 16 cloudkill22 said at 4:53 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Looks like we just got a guy to fill that Logan spot. And in fact, somebody who’s had pretty consistent numbers the past couple years (13 sacks).

    Now, give me Foster, Peppers, or Reddick as the non-cb 1st rd wildcard for this Eagles defense.

  17. 17 Sb2bowl said at 7:48 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Gotta get in front of the Saints and Browns (11&12). Browns are the wild card as they can add talent at any position, and the Saints because our team needs are very similar. Bills at 10 have potential, but that would take probably our 3rd this year.

  18. 18 Mac said at 12:50 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Strong play for Alshon, mildly amusing play for Torrey Smith… both on shortish prove it type deals.

    My magic 8 ball results are a bit confusing, but does this hint that the Eagles are looking at the 2018 WR class with more interest than the 2017 class?

  19. 19 Media Mike said at 5:09 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    That’s one way you could look at it, but I think they’re not going to turn down player upgrades at any position excetp QB in this draft.

  20. 20 Mac said at 9:29 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’m sure they want more weapons (anywhere), and really almost desperately want to pair Wentz with young weapons to grown with him… But they’ve also got to be looking at the long game for team development. Do you have any hot WR prospects for the next class?

  21. 21 old duke said at 8:51 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    WR this year – RB (Saquon Barkley) in 2018.

  22. 22 Mac said at 9:34 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Any mid rounder WRs you like in particular?

  23. 23 old duke said at 9:48 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Oh yeah – many of them. One in particular I like is Ryan Switzer, UNC. He is a Cole Beasley clone – a waterbug, that drives defenses nuts. Also, Taywan Taylor, K.D. Cannon, Chris Godwin, Josh Reynolds, Chad Hansen.

  24. 24 bubqr said at 4:50 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Beside the shoulder issue, what scares me the most is the combination of him benefiting from the talent on the Alabama defense + his measurables, that are not pedestrian but incredibly bad for a potential top5 pick: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/jonathan-allen

    You better be VERY confident in his game tape translating, because that’s some awful numbers all across the board.

  25. 25 xmbk said at 5:58 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    It’s likely that some team will have that confidence level before 14.

  26. 26 meteorologist said at 11:34 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    That is vs Defensive Ends… Jonathan Allen is a Defensive Tackle..

  27. 27 Media Mike said at 5:00 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’m curious to see where Allen goes; I hope it is to a team that takes him instead of Corey Davis!

  28. 28 Media Mike said at 5:27 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I passed on the human hamstring injury (Lattimore) and OJ Howard to take Humphrey.

    Round 1 Pick 14: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama (A)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (B-)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah (A)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU (A)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Matthew Dayes, RB, NC State (A)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Calvin Munson, OLB, San Diego State (B)

  29. 29 Sb2bowl said at 7:51 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I enjoy these simulations- amazing how 1 early pick changes the entire complexity of the draft later.

    The nfl should have a “fan vote” option when teams are on the clock. Of course it wouldn’t matter, but it’d be interesting to see what the masses believe.

  30. 30 Mac said at 9:32 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    They can’t do it… the millions and millions of votes for a punter by fans who hate the Cowboys and Patriots would be too embarrassing for the league.

  31. 31 Sb2bowl said at 9:44 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Sure, but it’d be fun to see the results and it would give the fans another opportunity to “feel connected” to their organization.

  32. 32 Mac said at 10:07 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Oh, I agree it’d be great. I just couldn’t turn my smartassery off on that one.

  33. 33 Sb2bowl said at 10:11 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Imagine an idiot owner taking a kicker in the first round!

  34. 34 Media Mike said at 6:39 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    They are a lot of fun.

  35. 35 Mark said at 7:58 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Was John Ross on the board when you took Humphrey?

  36. 36 Media Mike said at 6:39 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Yes. I don’t consider Ross worth it at 14.

  37. 37 Mark said at 7:04 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’d have booed…… πŸ™‚

    I think he’s Joey Galloway. Once every 20 years. Injury is my only concern with him.

  38. 38 old duke said at 8:53 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Excellent!

  39. 39 Dan said at 9:36 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Hate it. Huge reach for Humphrey no way he is an “A”, OG isn’t a need and not even for BPA. And to pass on Lattimore and Howard is just crazy.

  40. 40 eagleyankfan said at 11:17 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    if the place that gave the ratings gave true scores – nobody would do it

  41. 41 Media Mike said at 6:37 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’ve received a ton of Cs and Ds from that simulator as well if it thinks I’ve reached or taken too many guys at that position.

  42. 42 Media Mike said at 6:39 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I understand the difference of opinion on Humphrey completely. I’m not sure how reach-y he is at 14. You very well may be right.

    Howard is a tough guy to pass up for sure, but Lattimore can F off. I’m not trying to worry about him laying down on the job with bad hamstrings. If one more young player from our teams misses more significant time with injuries; I might wind up in jail after I snap. I’m really sick of it.

  43. 43 GermanEagle said at 6:32 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Is it just me that most of the so believed top 5 prospects in this draft all have some injury (or other) concerns?!

    The more I read about this draft the less thrilled I am.

  44. 44 eagleyankfan said at 7:16 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Last year the sense was a team needed a top 8 pick to get the(potential) elite type players and that there was a sharp drop off in talent(again, that’s all talk by ‘pro’ evaluators). I haven’t read much talk about that kind of drop off this year. This prospect could fall, that prospect could fall. I’m surprised there isn’t more talk of teams in the top 10 looking to drop back(maybe there is, I don’t read all that much about it)

  45. 45 RobNE said at 11:45 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    there’s a mathematical proof that applies here where x is Eagles pick

    Players we really want before drop off in talent = x-1

  46. 46 A_T_G said at 11:57 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I think this is the simplified version derived from the original:

    talent + (# of players picked by Browns before ours) = x + (# of Browns picks before ours) – 1

    As we know, you can eliminate the Browns from both sides, and playoff discussions, each spring.

  47. 47 RobNE said at 1:37 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I actually like what the Browns are doing. It’s very Hinkie like.

  48. 48 A_T_G said at 7:36 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    It is true. There are at least 12 guys who are guaranteed top-5 picks, and half of them are injured.

  49. 49 eagleyankfan said at 7:20 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Does arthritis go away? And this kid is how old? I’m all for taking changes — but serious surgeries and arthritis scare me. Huge trust in Dr’s if he drops and Eagles take him.

  50. 50 Anders said at 7:34 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    arthritis is chronic, but its way more common among football (and other sports) players than just limited to the few you hear about.

    For many players its more about pain tolerance. Of course a young guy like Allen will have about zero mobility in his shoulder at the age of 50 if he manage to play many more years

  51. 51 ChoTime said at 12:37 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Chronic and degenerative. However…

    Would you rather get an impact player for a short career or a healthy JAG? Impact players win games, not JAGs. JAGs you can get anytime.

    In the NBA, the Spurs made this decision with DeJuan Blair. They picked up one of the top college players in the 2nd round because the guy had no ACLs. All the other teams were scared off.

    Meanwhile, the guy came into the league and played great for them for several seasons, materially helping an already good team. They unloaded him after a while, so it wasn’t some kind of earth-shattering, Tom Brady-esque revelation, but still an illustration of how good teams operate.

  52. 52 A_T_G said at 12:38 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    If those are the only options at 14, we aren’t doing something right.

  53. 53 eagleyankfan said at 1:23 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    devils advocate … Eagles aren’t ready for that guy yet. Kind of like they aren’t ready for Peters and Sproles. That aside πŸ™‚ .. are you saying the Eagles should take Jones?

  54. 54 ChoTime said at 2:58 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Huh? I just pontificate, I’m not a Decider!

  55. 55 Mark said at 7:33 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Vinny Curry again. Not athletic enough to get to the QB from DE on 1st down and not big enough to play the run at DT. He’ll play 45% of the snaps.

  56. 56 xmbk said at 10:55 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Anything’s possible, but comparing him to Curry coming out is a pretty big stretch. If he drops out of the top 5, it’s due to the shoulders, not his size.

  57. 57 Mark said at 11:05 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I just meant more a tweeter like Vinny. Not sure where he starts for us.

  58. 58 xmbk said at 11:40 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Vinny being able to move inside and out is pro for him, not a con. His performance last year was another issue. Not sure if it was more on him or the coaches, but hopefully Long will bring out the best in him.

  59. 59 Mark said at 12:02 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    the con is he can’t get on the field on first down. He is great when inside 1 on 1 against a guard. He can only do that on passing downs. Hence so little PT with 3 different coaching staffs so far.

  60. 60 xmbk said at 2:09 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Allen would definitely be in on first down. His ability vs the run compared to Curry is night and day. Curry has to rely on his speed to get upfield, lacks awareness. Allen can manhandle blockers, has great vision.

  61. 61 Mark said at 2:30 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I like Allen, just not at 14 for me. I’m not sure he’s going to manhandle the Jason Peters of the world and no killer first step to get around them.

    Great Tape
    Great Character
    Poor Workout and Measurables
    Health Concerns

    I need 3 of 4 at 14, not 2 of 4. But I’ve been wrong before.

  62. 62 xmbk said at 4:01 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Well, if your standard is being able to manhandle Peters, then I’m not sure we’ll ever draft DL in round one. πŸ˜‰

    I think you have to separate DT from DE when looking at measurables. He’s average, not poor. Though you certainly would like to see above average with a high pick. The last point is the big one. I’d be inclined to take a chance with arthritis, no one is drafting guys who will retire with the team any more. I don’t think he lasts anywhere close to 14.

  63. 63 Dave said at 8:25 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Chris Long is my new favorite player.

    https://twitter.com/JOEL9ONE/status/849104180874805249

  64. 64 scratcherk said at 9:13 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Tommy, are you still on board with Allen if he plays the same technique as Cox?

  65. 65 xmbk said at 10:59 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I don’t think Cox has to stay in the 3 to be effective. Allen may very well be capable of moving around situationally as well. I think the real problem is that if he drops to 14, then there are several teams whose doctors red-lighted him.

  66. 66 bushisamoron said at 9:32 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    First round picks are guys you need to be on your team for 8-10 years, not just the first contract. If the medical says he can go to 30 y/o fine; otherwise, pass

  67. 67 daveH said at 12:55 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    The ones that pan out are the ones that cost too much to stay around …

  68. 68 Sb2bowl said at 9:33 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Romo is retiring. Good for him.

    http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017/4/4/15175756/tony-romo-to-retire-from-nfl-go-into-broadcasting-per-report

  69. 69 scratcherk said at 9:36 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    does that alleviate the cap hit at all?

  70. 70 scratcherk said at 9:37 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    nevermind:
    Dallas is expected to designate Romo a post-June 1 release, softening the blow against the Cowboys’ cap this season. Instead of counting $24.7 million in 2017, Romo would count $10.7 million this year and $8.9 million in 2018. The Cowboys would gain $14 million in cap space, but it would not become available until June 2. But after Tuesday, Romo will no longer be with the Cowboys.

  71. 71 RC5000 said at 9:36 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Can’t wait for another ex Cowgirl broadcaster.

  72. 72 Mac said at 10:10 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    It really is a shame that McNabb blew his chance.

  73. 73 Dave said at 10:39 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Who knew being passive-aggressive wasn’t a good quality to have for a broadcaster. Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

  74. 74 Sb2bowl said at 10:57 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Is that a DUI reference?

  75. 75 RC5000 said at 11:50 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Silver lining: At least he knocked the worst color analyst in history Phil Simms out of #1 on CBS.

    I mean no one can be worse right?

  76. 76 RC5000 said at 9:40 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    I thought he retired years ago.

  77. 77 Sb2bowl said at 9:51 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Retiring and being unable to stay on the field are totally different animals.

    As much as I hate the Cowboys, watching him being helped off of the field time and again isn’t what football is about- kind of like watching the remnants of Farve when he was with the Vikings. Nice in theory, but someone is going to get severely hurt.

  78. 78 ChoTime said at 12:32 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    You guys are so gullible. He’s going to pull a Favre and come back to a contendah.

  79. 79 P_P_K said at 3:16 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    To pull a Farve, he’d have to come back and play for another NFC East team.

  80. 80 Mac said at 3:21 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Lots of QB turmoil in Washington.

  81. 81 ChoTime said at 3:51 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Tony Romo coming back to Washington and going full heel. I like it.

  82. 82 A Roy said at 10:26 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Sliders? I thought we wanted Fastballs. For my money, we have had turrible, turrible luck with players that have medical problems. Pass.

  83. 83 A_T_G said at 11:16 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Just no more screwballs.

  84. 84 ChoTime said at 12:31 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    So, it’s kind of like a curse, that if we choose players that have injury problems, they’re going to do worse here than expected? πŸ™‚

  85. 85 A Roy said at 1:16 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Well, we probably have better curses than that. It’s been my experience that we Philly fans can curse with the best of them.

  86. 86 A_T_G said at 11:44 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    So, I created the definitive draft simulation. I am confident everyone will agree about this one:

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 9 (CINN): Fabian Moreau, CB/FS, UCLA (B)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Desmond King, CB/FS, Iowa (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 15 (BALT): Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado (B)
    Round 2 Pick 18 (T.B.): Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado (C+)
    Round 2 Pick 28 (DAL): Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (C-)
    Round 3 Pick 6 (NYJ): Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 28 (DAL): Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington (A)
    Round 3 Pick 43 (NYJ): Chad Hansen, WR, California (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 9 (CINN): Carlos Henderson, WR, Louisiana Tech (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 12: ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 31 (CINN): Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (C)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Erik Magnuson, OT, Michigan (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming (B)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Jeremiah Ledbetter, DT, Arkansas (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Alek Torgersen, QB, Pennsylvania (C)

  87. 87 RobNE said at 11:46 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    and we have no future picks for the next 3 years? Or you traded Wentz?

  88. 88 A_T_G said at 11:47 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    Nope, I didn’t touch future picks. The trade up scenarios the computer offers may be off a little.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/085b9270d263ac3fc1196d720f24fda0b79e588a97d0af22b7995f1e434c704b.png

  89. 89 Crus57 said at 11:55 AM on April 4th, 2017:

    aka the “We need more lockers!” draft, or the “hope you like overtime, Howie” draft.

  90. 90 Sb2bowl said at 12:00 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    You didn’t draft any pure Safeties so I cannot agree with this draft.

  91. 91 Nick C said at 12:01 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    We need more cap room…

  92. 92 EagleOne1983 said at 1:10 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    This feels like the Patriots dream way of drafting…

  93. 93 Ben said at 12:56 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Taking Allen at 14 is more of a dream than reality IMO, as the mocks I have seen has him going in the top 5.
    If he’s there at 14 it means that other teams have confirmed he is damaged goods and in that case, we should not consider him.
    I know this is all speculation, but a realistic pick at 14 would probably end up being a reach if we fail to move up or down.
    I would like to see us move up and get a top corner that fills a position of need, but Lattimore’s injury history scares me and is Humphrey worth moving up for.
    I have faith that Howie will pull off something we will all like.

  94. 94 kajomo said at 1:16 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Myles Jack

    Daquan Bowser

  95. 95 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 1:42 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I think Lattimore is the only “top” CB we will miss out on. After him it really comes down to who teams like more out of Humphrey, White, Conley etc etc.

  96. 96 xmbk said at 2:14 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Agree, if he drops it’s due to medical. I’d be concerned that our docs missed something.

  97. 97 Mac said at 2:26 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    For me round one is shaping up into: trade up for Solomon Thomas or stay put and get Humphrey or OJ Howard.

  98. 98 EagleOne1983 said at 1:33 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    This is probably showing my inexperience in “scouting” but why all the love for Derek Barnett in Tennessee? I know he has a mess of sacks, but so did Marcus Smith. How many are earned sacks (beating his man) and how many are given (unblocked and coverage)?
    I need to start a tally sheet…
    I haven’t watched all of his games yet, but from what I have seen is he is weak at the point of attack. He relies on his speed/first step to run by the OT’s. When they get him engaged he tends to just stop. His bend is ok, but he doesn’t use it to push the edge. I’m not seeing a great future DE, I’m seeing more of an OLB with no displayed coverage ability.

  99. 99 xmbk said at 2:12 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    He’s strong at the point of attack, very good hands. Watch his Bama tape, when they are pretty much gameplanning around him and he’s going up against a 1st round pick at tackle. He’s not perfect, but he still gets a strip sack and a pick.

  100. 100 EagleOne1983 said at 3:54 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    The Bama and South Carolina games are the ones I’ve watched. I just didn’t see much from his game to scream early 1st rounder. I saw talent that needs work and a decent late 1st (25+) or 2nd round pick. I feel the same way about him as I did Brandon Graham back in the day. Solid but I don’t think he’s perennial Pro Bowl material.

  101. 101 Insomniac said at 2:46 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    To answer your question, people fall in love with production. Barnett isn’t perfect but he has things that coaches would label as intangibles. Nose for the ball, feel for the game, and etc.

    I’m with you on not loving Barnett. His game has never been about being a great athlete. He’s a good technician and plays with good balance. His first step isn’t that explosive and he’s not that strong. Compile that with his short arms and his value coming from just his college production, it makes for an overrated prospect.

  102. 102 EagleOne1983 said at 3:57 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Thanks. I’ve always loved the draft and am actually putting in time this year to watch more tape (not the highlight reels) and get a feel for players.
    Just wanted to get some other perspectives to see if I was missing something.
    If the Eagles draft him, I hope I’m wrong on him being overrated.

  103. 103 Media Mike said at 6:34 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    A buddy of mine said he read a long article explaining that Barnett’s production is often based on guessing snap counts rather than winning 1 on 1 match-ups; that’s not ideal.

  104. 104 Jason said at 1:43 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    If Fanspeak gives me Lattimore at 14, who am I to say no?

    14: R1P14 — CB MARSHON LATTIMORE, OHIO STATE
    43: R2P11 — CB TRE’DAVIOUS WHITE, LSU
    74: R3P10 — EDGE JORDAN WILLIS, KANSAS STATE
    118: R4P11 — WR CARLOS HENDERSON, LOUISIANA TECH
    139: R4P32 — RB JAMAAL WILLIAMS, BYU
    155: R5P11 — DL CHARLES WALKER, OKLAHOMA
    194: R6P10 — LB JALEN REEVES-MAYBIN, TENNESSEE
    230: R7P12 — OT JAVARIUS LEAMON, SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

  105. 105 Mac said at 2:02 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Talk to the hamstrings.

  106. 106 Insomniac said at 2:36 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    They said replace me with your hamstrings.

  107. 107 Mac said at 4:09 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    If you’re going for wild surgery options… why stop there? Myomer cable hamstrings all the way.

  108. 108 Jason said at 2:43 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Ice up, Son!

  109. 109 Mac said at 3:01 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Hamstrings can be pretty convincing when they argue that it’s time to sit down.

  110. 110 Fufina said at 3:09 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Roster Move: #Eagles acquire DT Timmy Jernigan and a third-round pick (99 overall) from BAL in exchange for a third-round pick (74 overall). pic.twitter.com/4OTcRwMjGV— Philadelphia Eagles (@Eagles) April 4, 2017

  111. 111 scratcherk said at 3:11 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    interesting.

  112. 112 eagleyankfan said at 3:12 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    curious on cap ….

  113. 113 Sb2bowl said at 3:14 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    $1.4m cap hit this year, final year of deal.

  114. 114 Fufina said at 3:14 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Costs almost nothing on the cap – Ravens eat his remaining signing bonus and his annual salary is just $1,017,669 this year, meaning it adds about ~$500k to the salary cap.

  115. 115 Sb2bowl said at 3:23 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    So, who pays the prorated bonus of $377k (rounded up)? Would the Ravens, since he was their pick- or is that transferred to the Eagles since he is under contract with us now?

  116. 116 scratcherk said at 3:29 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    pretty sure ravens do.

  117. 117 D3FB said at 6:46 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Ravens

  118. 118 Insomniac said at 3:14 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNN

  119. 119 Tdoteaglefan said at 3:37 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    SWEET

  120. 120 GermanEagle said at 3:10 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Eagles traded for Ravens DT Timmy Jernigan, per source.

  121. 121 Sb2bowl said at 3:12 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    No shit. 25 spots in the 3rd sounds like decent compensation, but Douglas was with them when the Ravens drafted him.

    I go do work for 15 minutes and this happens. That’ll teach me

  122. 122 Fufina said at 3:17 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Is an interesting trade – compensation for the trade is worth a goodish 5th round pick which for a 2nd round pick who put up decent production so far in the league seems ok value even if you only have him 1 more year.

    Ravens know what they are doing but the Eagles front office obviously know the player and like him so it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

    Regardless it really helps bridge our DT issue this year, and with the addition of Long we wont need to force picks on the DL.

  123. 123 Sb2bowl said at 3:21 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Considering he was drafted at #48 overall a few years ago- and we don’t actually have to give up a draft asset (just selection number) this is a great move by both teams.

    Jernigan didn’t fit their long term plans, and we need a guy that can play the 1 technique with some fight. Seems like a good marriage, and as you pointed out- we know him as a player thanks to Douglas.

    With the DT market being what it was last year, there looks to be a flood of talented options on the market next year which should create a favorable atmosphere to resign him if they choose.

  124. 124 Dave said at 4:39 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    When I checked the trade chart, that works out to a late 3rd/early 4th as compensation.

  125. 125 Media Mike said at 6:32 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Correct. 116 point difference (220-104) = pick 96.

  126. 126 eagleyankfan said at 3:16 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    somewhere – Media Mike stands up and slams down on his desk knowing he has to now re-do all those mock drafts…

  127. 127 Sb2bowl said at 3:21 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    He’s not the only one πŸ™

  128. 128 Media Mike said at 6:31 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    That’s fine; because the simulator will adjust.

    I’m more annoyed that we didn’t get him cheaper.

  129. 129 Insomniac said at 3:17 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Jernigan > Bennie.

  130. 130 Mac said at 3:23 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    What’s the oral surgery du jour?

  131. 131 GermanEagle said at 3:27 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Gym. πŸ™‚

  132. 132 Mac said at 3:38 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Glad to hear it.

  133. 133 GermanEagle said at 5:21 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Maybe my temporary crown made this trade happen.

    Wait what happens if I get my permanent zirconia crown next week…

  134. 134 Insomniac said at 3:16 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I brought up Jernigan as trade target awhile back, maybe Tommy or someone who does watch Ravens football can elaborate some more on his game now.

  135. 135 Sb2bowl said at 3:17 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I wonder if Tommy can get Joe Douglas to come on the board and discuss him as a prospect? Maybe he can make his user name Doe Jouglas so we don’t know it is him?

  136. 136 Insomniac said at 3:18 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    What does Howie need to make this possible?

  137. 137 Sb2bowl said at 3:21 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I wonder if he likes chocolate pudding, Ray Ban sunglasses, and Megan Fox?

  138. 138 Insomniac said at 3:22 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    So uhh does anyone know any budget Megan Fox lookalikes?

  139. 139 GermanEagle said at 3:26 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    So if my memory serves me well Jernigan might be the only one of many guys basically on a 1 year deal the Eagles actually CAN extend during this season.

  140. 140 Nick C said at 3:56 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    They can extend all of them if they wish. Only players you cannot extend are tags and veteran mins.

  141. 141 GermanEagle said at 5:13 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’m afraid that’s not true. I’m 99.9% that you can’t extend AJ during the season.

  142. 142 Insomniac said at 3:31 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    For what it’s worth, Jernigan was projected to be a low first round pick in 2014. I loved his power and motor back then. He has short arms that made me question if he could be a 3-4 NT back then but seems like it hasn’t bothered him much as a 3-4 DE.

  143. 143 GENETiC-FREAK said at 3:32 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Jernigan an Eagle damn not bad news to wale up to. Eagles have really addressed all positions of need this offseason in some capacity. This up coming draft is going to be a defining one. Gonna be good!

  144. 144 Sb2bowl said at 3:59 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Not only is he a good prospect, we didn’t give up too much to get him. He should hold up at the attack point very well, and he should offer more in the way of pass rushing compared to Bennie.

    I didn’t think we could get him without giving up a pick. This makes me happy.

  145. 145 GermanEagle said at 3:33 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    So let’s trade for Kyle Fuller and Draft here we come!

  146. 146 Nick C said at 4:19 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Agreed. And get picks for Kielce/Kendricks this year. Am I being too greedy?

  147. 147 GermanEagle said at 5:17 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    No. Who ya kidding mate?!

  148. 148 Nick C said at 4:15 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    OTC recently did a Free Agency review of us and grade of “A-“. They applauded pretty much all of the moves except for signing Foles (which I agree with). His numbers really balloon next year. But it is good to hear they liked the rest of the moves. Also liked the Jernigan trade, which obviously is not included.

    https://overthecap.com/free-agency-review-philadelphia-eagles/

  149. 149 Insomniac said at 5:05 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    With the addition of Jernigan, it’ll probably be safe to say that we’re not going to take a DT in the first 3 rounds. Jonathan Allen is a great prospect so if he slides to us then maybe a team that wants him can trade up for him.

    The only downside is that Jernigan needs to be locked up long term (sorry D3 looks like we might have to pay our NT). I think he’ll get something a bit north of what we offered Bennie (9mil a year).

  150. 150 GermanEagle said at 5:18 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Not sure about the ‘north of $9m’ that may take it to extend him, but I’m definitely on board to not draft a DT in the first 3 rounds in this year’s draft.

  151. 151 Insomniac said at 5:29 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    You think he’ll get more or less?

  152. 152 GermanEagle said at 5:31 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Well, I stand corrected.

    After reading more raving reviews about him your prediction might be spot on after all. Good job mate.

  153. 153 Insomniac said at 6:02 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I still think Hankins will set the market for DTs. Jernigan will probably get something near that range if not more.

  154. 154 GermanEagle said at 6:08 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Yes but not sure if it helps Hankins the longer he’s on the market.

  155. 155 Insomniac said at 6:29 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Yup but I’m not complaining. He could make Jernigan cheaper for us.

  156. 156 Media Mike said at 6:23 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Agree on draft and shame on having to pay north of $9 mil; barf.

  157. 157 GermanEagle said at 5:19 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I feel sorry for Tommy. Timmy was definitely a bad Timing for his article today.

  158. 158 Ray888 said at 5:22 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Remember it was if they’re OK medically w/ his shoulders; maybe here’s the answer.

  159. 159 Ray888 said at 5:29 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Prior years seem to have brought these depth players who don’t force Eagles to draft for need earlier in free agency. This year there are 3 late in the process. Is this totally a function of cap space or is this more analytical in accessing what could be available in the draft?

  160. 160 Media Mike said at 6:22 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Making up for bad drafting. They simply don’t have a lot of cost contained high quality players right now.

  161. 161 Tdoteaglefan said at 5:34 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    The first “not breaking our neck trying to draft a DT in the first 3 rounds draft”

    Your score is: 12276 (GRADE: B+)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 14: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 11: TreDavious White, CB, LSU (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Elijah Lee, OLB, Kansas State (B)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Sean Harlow, OG, Oregon State (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Stevie Tu’ikolovatu, DT, Southern California (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 12: KD Cannon, WR, Baylor (A)

  162. 162 Media Mike said at 6:21 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’m not looking forward to seeing who comes off of the board between 74 and 99 now.

  163. 163 Sb2bowl said at 9:09 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Just add Jernigan to that list and it’ll lessen the blow.

  164. 164 Dave said at 5:53 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’ll just leave this here…

    https://youtu.be/3U9N2l3Sy6s

  165. 165 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:55 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    He doesnt sound happy lol

  166. 166 Dave said at 5:59 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    That’s because they’re turning into the effin Orioles!

  167. 167 Insomniac said at 6:01 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    He’s also grossly misinformed. Jernigan hasn’t made a pro bowl nor are we getting their 4th.

  168. 168 GermanEagle said at 6:06 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    While moving down 25 spots in the 3rd round doesn’t sound much, the Eagles actually gave up a late 3rd rounder for Timmy. At least according to multiple draft value charts…

  169. 169 Media Mike said at 6:21 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Pick 96 equivalent. So if he’s here beyond a year; it’s a good trade. If he’s not; they gave up too much.

    Good football player for our scheme and I honestly saw him as a 4-3 guy coming out of FSU anyway.

  170. 170 GermanEagle said at 6:59 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Yes agreed. A third rounder for a 1 year rental would be steep. However I believe that they will extend him

  171. 171 A_T_G said at 7:10 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    So moving from mid-third to late third is the same value as another late third pick? That sounds like the trade value chart is a little out of whack there.

    Given the option, would you not trade every pick we have for two picks at the end of the same round?

  172. 172 Media Mike said at 7:15 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Early 3rd to beginning of 4th is worth end of 3rd. Not every round is that quirky. 99 is essentially the 3rd pick of the 4th round if there aren’t any comp picks in that year.

  173. 173 GermanEagle said at 7:17 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Yes that’s why I always think the draft value chart is only here for comparing purposes, rather than for a driving business decision factor anymore.

  174. 174 Anders said at 3:30 AM on April 5th, 2017:

    Imo those charts overvalue draft picks.

    This calculator is based on historic career value on picks
    http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-pick-value-calculator/

  175. 175 SteveH said at 6:24 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Wait, what did we give up for Jernigan? I’m totally lost and blown away by this news.

  176. 176 Media Mike said at 6:28 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    We dropped from 74 to 99 in round “3.”

    We gave Baltimore our pick in the 3rd and got their comp pick back. We gave up 116 points in the deal or appx. pick 96.

  177. 177 Insomniac said at 6:28 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    We get Timmy and just a swap of 3rd round picks this year.

  178. 178 Media Mike said at 6:30 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    To be 100% honest

    – I’m glad we added a good player
    – I’ll be irked if he’s only here for a year
    – I’ll be irked if he cost too much to retain
    – I think he’ll be really good here
    – Because every deal is measured vs. AJ Feeley for a 2nd; I was upset we gave up pick 96 value (given Jimmy’s contract status) rather than Kelce, Kendricks, or one of our extra 2018 4ths.

  179. 179 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 6:42 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Weren’t they prepared to pay Bennie 7-8M a year? If the guy plays well i think the team will attempt to resign him.

  180. 180 Media Mike said at 6:43 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    If you can get him in here for 5 / $35 mil; that’s all good if you have cap hits of $3, $5, $7, $9 and $11 from 2018-22

  181. 181 BobSmith77 said at 7:02 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    There were reports the Eagles had offered him a multi-year deal midseason that Logan turned down. Just didn’t see any firm dollar terms associated with it but only loosely speculated.

  182. 182 BobSmith77 said at 6:44 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    They had a huge ‘need’ there and still have a bunch of holes to plug on this roster. Can only do so much in one draft.

    This is where the Eagles really lean on Joe Douglas and what if he thinks this is a good player for the scheme & to fill their need.

    Almost need to make another one of these types of moves at CB too because the prospect of Mills starting outside next year is terrifying to me.

  183. 183 Media Mike said at 6:51 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I 100% understand that and like the player we got; I’m just cheap and want surety.

  184. 184 BobSmith77 said at 6:57 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    This to me is part of where I don’t necessarily understand what the Eagles are trying to do next season.

    They did give up a fair amount of value here to fill an immediate need next season but I would be surprised if this is a long-term solution at DT.

    If Lurie and Roseman are pressing for patience this offseason (including the real possibility they might not make the playoffs again next year), why make this trade?

  185. 185 Media Mike said at 7:13 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Fair question.

  186. 186 D3FB said at 6:57 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    He may be here long term but my initial thought was the Eagles are going hunting for 2019 comp picks. Even assuming they retain Alshon

    – Timmy Jernigan
    – JMATT
    – Trey Burton
    – Nigel Bradham
    – Beau Allen

    – Chance Warmack
    – Marcus Smith
    – Najee Goode

  187. 187 GermanEagle said at 7:03 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I cant wait for 10 extra late 3rd rounder who then all turn out to become a poor man’s version of Curtis Marsh…

  188. 188 D3FB said at 7:11 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    If they get one or two dirty cheap starters and a couple key contributors for very little money from 2019-2022….

    You know, when we’ll be in the prime of our window.

  189. 189 GermanEagle said at 7:16 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Sure. Understand your reasoning. Not sure if we will get away with cheap starting DTs in real life though.

  190. 190 D3FB said at 7:50 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I think they treat it alot like G. Hope the guy you brought in gives you a tough choice to make, meanwhile hope you stumble onto something from a day 3 guy, and worse case accept you’re going to have to address it in the draft next year.

  191. 191 xmbk said at 7:11 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I’m glad you put a space before the last 3 names. πŸ˜‰

    Doesn’t really seem to be in Roseman’s nature.

  192. 192 D3FB said at 7:12 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Happened incidentally but worked out well.

  193. 193 Media Mike said at 7:13 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    That makes sense; as long as we don’t see Howie purchase all of those possible 2019 comp picks into oblivion with too many 2018 signings.

  194. 194 lonfident said at 8:42 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I doubt any of them will get really good contracts. So we’ll get some pretty bad picks. And we’d have to sign a good amount of free agents to replace our losses. I don’t think anyone’s strategy is to get comp picks.

  195. 195 D3FB said at 8:47 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    You don’t think any of them are going to get good contracts?

    Really?

    -Jernigan and JMatt are probably both 8mil a year minimum
    -Burton, Bradham and Allen all probably get 5ish a year

    -If Warmack is good he’s worth 8mil a year
    -Smith and Goode probably sign non min contracts which is all you need for a seventh round comp

    If they draft well this year they can prefill some of those holes. Others can be filled in the draft next year. We will sign some guys back but you could easily pick up a handful of comp picks.

  196. 196 lonfident said at 8:56 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Too much risk to be a way to help assemble a team, in my opinion. All those guys would have to have pretty good years.

  197. 197 Anders said at 3:27 AM on April 5th, 2017:

    GB, Pats, Ravens etc. have done it for years.

    Teams like the Pats even sign veteran to contracts so that even if they cut em (decline team option) to get more comp picks

  198. 198 xmbk said at 10:26 AM on April 5th, 2017:

    You really think Howie has the discipline to sit on his hands? I suppose it’s possible.

  199. 199 D3FB said at 1:09 PM on April 5th, 2017:

    Normally I’m against the “don’t trade him you’ll get a comp pick” because we only have two or three guys walking. We have enough guys walking that even if we go pick up a big name and one or two others you’re still looking at a bevy of comp picks.

  200. 200 xmbk said at 1:25 PM on April 5th, 2017:

    So you’re saying Howie can get his fix and Douglas can still get his comps? Win-Win.

  201. 201 D3FB said at 3:18 PM on April 5th, 2017:

    DESMOND TRUFANT COME ON DOWN!

  202. 202 D3FB said at 8:48 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I just find it amusing how on one hand everybody wants to go “Look Joe Douglas’s impact!” and then dismiss comp pick theory which is what Baltimore loves to do

  203. 203 lonfident said at 8:51 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I won’t argue but it’s not like Baltimore is the gold standard either

  204. 204 sonofdman said at 12:27 AM on April 5th, 2017:

    Good point.

  205. 205 Sb2bowl said at 9:57 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Going to need cheap labor when they start working on the contract extension for Wentz

  206. 206 ChoTime said at 12:16 AM on April 5th, 2017:

    So sign a bunch of good/decent players on 1-year deals, let them go, thereby hollowing out the team, and then get a bunch of compensatory picks? For a team that’s average at best at drafting?

  207. 207 D3FB said at 1:11 PM on April 5th, 2017:

    Warmack isn’t good. He’s pure boom or bust. Jernigan is the only good player brought in for one year (Alshon too but he’s in the keeper bin)

    Hollowing out the team?

    Watch this:
    4th: Elijah Lee LB Kansas State

    5th: Xavier Woods S LA Tech

    6th: Michael Roberts TE Toledo

    7th: Trent Taylor WR LA Tech

    That’s without touching the top 4 picks.

    And you add a DT in FA and hope that one of him or Destiny can be the backup 1 tech next year and know you have to draft one in 2018.

  208. 208 ChoTime said at 3:29 PM on April 5th, 2017:

    Er, are you saying the Eagles are going to draft 4 starters in rounds 4-7 this year?

    And that signing Alshon for a 1-year deal will give the Eagles a significant advantage in resigning him?

  209. 209 D3FB said at 6:04 PM on April 5th, 2017:

    No but I’m saying you could draft a LB who can play the Will this year and take over for Bradham in nickel sets next year, a 3rd safety to groom and take over for Jenkins when he’s gone, a TE who has some catching ability and the frame to be an inline blocker (ie a suitable TE2 with Ertz) and a jitterbug slot WR.

    And yes I would say it does.

  210. 210 Media Mike said at 6:52 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    New mock incoming reflecting today’s trade.

  211. 211 Media Mike said at 6:52 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    And here is who we didn’t get from 74 through 98

    Round 3 Pick 14 (78) (BALT) Giants: Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan
    Round 3 Pick 15 (79) (MINN) Raiders: Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
    Round 3 Pick 16 (80) Colts: Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma
    Round 3 Pick 17 (81) Redskins: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida
    Round 3 Pick 18 (82) Broncos: Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington
    Round 3 Pick 19 (83) Titans: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State
    Round 3 Pick 20 (84) (T.B.) Chiefs: Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida
    Round 3 Pick 21 (85) (DET) Patriots: Adam Bisnowaty, OT/OG, Pittsburgh
    Round 3 Pick 22 (86) (MINN) Raiders: Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee
    Round 3 Pick 23 (87) Giants: Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU
    Round 3 Pick 24 (88) Raiders: Gerald Everett, TE, South Alabama
    Round 3 Pick 25 (89) (HOU) Seahawks: Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
    Round 3 Pick 26 (90) Seahawks: Rayshawn Jenkins, FS, Miami (Fla.)
    Round 3 Pick 27 (91) (K.C.) Buccaneers: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia
    Round 3 Pick 28 (92) Cowboys: Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State
    Round 3 Pick 29 (93) Packers: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma
    Round 3 Pick 30 (94) Steelers: Alex Anzalone, OLB, Florida
    Round 3 Pick 31 (95) (ATL) Dolphins: Ryan Anderson, OLB/DE, Alabama
    Round 3 Pick 32 (96) (N.E.) Lions: Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
    Round 3 Pick 33 (97) (COMP) Dolphins: Anthony Walker Jr., ILB, Northwestern
    Round 3 Pick 34 (98) (CAR) Titans: Josh Jones, SS, NC State

  212. 212 A_T_G said at 7:01 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I was working on a trade scenario where I ended up with all of those picks.

  213. 213 Media Mike said at 7:12 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I once did a spite draft where I took every trade down offered until there were no more offers to be made. It took forever, gave me crap players, but was totally worth it to see that many names.

  214. 214 Rellihcs said at 8:21 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    You sir have an addiction.

  215. 215 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:01 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    IM ok with it. With got a starting DT and still have a 3rd round pick. We go back 20 spots but we dont have to use a pick on DT.

  216. 216 A_T_G said at 7:16 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Following that logic, we essentially gained a pick, since we don’t need to use one for need.

  217. 217 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:27 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Using Cowboy logic… he’s only 24 so that essentially another 2nd round pick.

  218. 218 xmbk said at 7:08 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I like those top 3, pretty reasonable. A RB in 3 or 4 at this point is no longer a luxury.

  219. 219 Media Mike said at 7:11 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    I couldn’t get a RB I liked to fall to a spot I wanted. Major failure.

  220. 220 Ryan Rambo said at 8:13 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    No worries. Barner will get cut and return to us!

  221. 221 bill said at 9:53 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Sprinkle!!

  222. 222 SteveH said at 7:01 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Dream scenario was Jonathan Hankins, but I’ll take it.

  223. 223 xmbk said at 7:06 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Given economic realities in the NFL, I greatly prefer this result.

  224. 224 GermanEagle said at 7:15 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Jimmy Tergins is younger. I’ll take him.

  225. 225 Media Mike said at 7:17 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    And not tainted with the stench of the New York Giants

  226. 226 GermanEagle said at 7:19 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Steve Smith, anyone?!

  227. 227 A_T_G said at 8:32 PM on April 4th, 2017:

    Preparing for some big plays…
    https://youtu.be/RPbyZuXNMUk