Dorenbos Disappears

Posted: August 29th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 132 Comments »

I didn’t anticipate this.


Dorenbos is one of the key Eagles. He’s been here for more than a decade. He’s truly beloved and a great ambassador for the team and the league.

But business is business. Dorenbos is a 37-year old long snapper. Those guys get replaced at some point. Age catches up to them. The fact the Eagles dealt him for a late round pick in the future tells you they were probably going to cut him. The fact they got anything for Dorenbos is surprising. Trading for an aging specialist isn’t a common event.

I’m not going to lie to you and tell you I’ve had a chance to study the snappers this summer. I haven’t. Honestly, I forgot that Dorenbos got hurt late last year and missed games. That opened the door for Rick Lovato. He was the snapper for three games and has been with the team since. Lovato has played in all three preseason games this year.

The scouts and coaches must feel his snaps are as good or better than Dorenbos’s. The Eagles would only make this move if they felt Lovato could be a good replacement. That’s not a sure thing, obviously. Any time there is change there is risk. Again, you have to keep in mind that this move was going to be made at some point. Father Time catches up to everyone.

The Eagles were going to move on from either Dorenbos or Lovato this summer. After watching both men play and looking at the big picture, the team decided to go with the younger player. Maybe he can be a long term solution the way Dorenbos was, and Mike Bartrum before him.

Dave Fipp is the best STs coach in the NFC and I’m willing to trust him with this move. The Eagles aren’t making this move without him being on board. That doesn’t make it any tougher to see something like this go down.

My favorite Dorenbos memory is this video he did for the Eagles players show. He and David Akers go head to head snapping the ball in the locker room.

Who won?


132 Comments on “Dorenbos Disappears”

  1. 1 BlindChow said at 12:47 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    DORENBOS (holding up Howie’s card): Is this your card?

    HOWIE: …


    HOWIE: …


    HOWIE: you are so fuckin’ traded

  2. 2 A_T_G said at 7:23 PM on August 29th, 2017:


  3. 3 Greg Tulino said at 12:58 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Wishing JD the best. This move was all business. I am setting the over/under on remaining Howie Trades at 1.5 before the season starts. I am taking the over. I see 2 more trades. I would not be surprised if we traded for a RB or traded Kendricks or a defensive tackle now that Beau Allen is back. Are you taking the over or the under here?

  4. 4 Someguy77 said at 1:34 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I’ll take the under but he could easy make 2 more deals especially to pick up more draft pick ammo for next year.

  5. 5 Guy Media said at 5:11 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Kendricks would be great. The victory lap trade would be Curry to New England!

  6. 6 tag1555 said at 8:44 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Have to admit, though, that Kendricks really has risen to the challenge this preseason. I don’t know if Schwartz just doesn’t think he’s a fit for the scheme, but its hard to argue with all the plays he’s made.

  7. 7 Bert's Bells said at 1:03 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I’m sure we’ve all seen a ton of people complaining about this that didn’t even know Dorenbos finished the season on IR. Not saying that everyone needs to be up on the bottom of the roster and specialists, but it makes me think about all the other things people gripe about and how they probably have no clue what they’re saying.

  8. 8 A Roy said at 2:13 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Likeable guy. Probably a decent number of people with his jersey on game day. Understandable. Getting anything for him was a good job by Rosen.

  9. 9 Guy Media said at 5:01 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    That was kind of a stealth injury last year as they were out of playoff contention and I don’t remember any bad snaps.

  10. 10 Bert's Bells said at 8:23 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    The game with no LS was a classic.

  11. 11 John Luck Pickerd said at 9:47 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Haha, the best was when Trey Burton came in and managed it pretty well. It reminded me of Mark Simoneau coming in to kick for Akers, albeit much different but both were in emergency situations.

  12. 12 Gary Barnes said at 8:15 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Complaining about other people complaining has always struck me as funny

  13. 13 Bert's Bells said at 8:23 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I’m all for idiots outing their own jibber-jabber.

  14. 14 ChoTime said at 1:13 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Not me, it irks me. I hate when people complain about people complaining. I am hereby going to complain about people complaining about people complaining.

  15. 15 Someguy77 said at 1:31 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    ‘Random’ is what instantly comes to mind with this trade.

    How many trade comps can you even find in NFL history like this?

    I imagine other GMs being kind of mystified when Roseman was talking to them and him mentioning ‘Oh by the way, you want to trade for a long-snapper?’

  16. 16 CrackSammich said at 1:32 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    This is sadder than cutting Trent Cole. I think sadder than when Celek and Peters retire.

  17. 17 Guy Media said at 5:02 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    At least you could see the Cole cut coming due to decline in production. This one took me totally off guard.

  18. 18 P_P_K said at 3:37 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I just checked and Trent is not signed with anyone.

  19. 19 Brendan Ekstrom said at 1:58 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Love that video with Akers. He will definitely be missed.

  20. 20 Guy Media said at 5:00 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Was Dorenbros snapping that badly and/or did Lovato have any snaps in pre-season games? This is kind of out of nowhere.

  21. 21 Dave said at 7:40 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    The writing has been on the wall for the past 2 seasons.

  22. 22 FairOaks said at 8:19 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    … and then despite all that they gave him a three-year extension during the season last year. Part of the reason people thought he was a lock was that he had a bit of guaranteed money this year. But a trade removes that issue. Eagles will still eat the entire signing bonus as dead cap — still a cap savings overall, though smallish once you add back Lovato’s salary whatever that is. This pretty much had to be that they liked Lovato more, so were going to cut Dorenbos, and Roseman found another job for Dorenbos (plus got a very little something in return, and saved the guaranteed money from the Eagles cap).

  23. 23 Dave said at 8:44 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    As per, savings were identical regardless of whether he was cut or traded:

    2017 Dead Cap: $87,500
    2018 Dead Cap: $175,000
    2017 Cap Savings: $1,000,000

    POST-6/1 TRADE
    2017 Dead Cap: $87,500
    2018 Dead Cap: $175,000
    2017 Cap Savings: $1,000,000

  24. 24 FairOaks said at 7:08 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    overthecap has different values. They have an additional 350K of guaranteed salary this year, over and above the signing bonus (which the Eagles will completely eat, but divided over this year and next). They mention that 1.35 million was guaranteed, but not sure where all of that is. But they have 0.35 of that as guaranteed salary this year, with a cap savings of 825K this year with the trade, and 650K with a post june-1 cut. The numbers don’t obviously add up there either, but sportrac may simply not have had as many details. Obviously, we will have to pay his replacement a salary as well, which will eat up much of that savings.

    In the end, I don’t think this had much to do with the finances (though the trade helped if there was indeed guaranteed money). Probably Dave Fipp had his choice.

  25. 25 kajomo said at 9:34 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I think it’s more about just getting younger. We have an overall young team. Jon’s injury last year opened the door for us to get a look at a younger guy. He will be less expensive moving forward and give us more long term stability.

  26. 26 Guy Media said at 5:06 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    “Maybe he can be a long term solution the way Dorenbos was, and Mike Bartrum before him.”

    Dorenbos was so good, but I think a lot of people might forget how much better Bartrum was. I think Bartrum might have been the best guy to do that job in the NFL in decades. It’s a shame part of the reason they changed the choppy choppy rule on LS’s necks is due to Bartrum.

  27. 27 Tumtum said at 10:56 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I remember when Dorenbos came in to replace Bartrum I just automatically didn’t like him becasue he wasn’t Bartrum.

  28. 28 truehaynes said at 1:32 PM on August 29th, 2017:

  29. 29 truehaynes said at 1:33 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    i wish i could find the video when he scored a td and snapped the ball like 30 yards in celebration

  30. 30 Guy Media said at 5:24 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Thank you so much for sharing this. I remembered seeing it a while ago, but wouldn’t have been able to find it. Bartrum was the man.

  31. 31 Ark87 said at 5:33 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I think Dorenbos will be remembered for his personality. Every other position you can remember for highlights, how good a long snapper is determined by a lack of botched snaps. I think it was Kempski that studied all his snaps from 2 seasons ago, marked that he has actually been pretty inconsistent. Nothing terrible, but notes that Donnie Jones and Sav Rocca before him bailed him out of every rough snap. So yeah, Bartrum was probably better, but Dorenbos was an incredible dude.

    Also his wife is hot.

  32. 32 Guy Media said at 5:35 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Yeah, that all makes sense.

  33. 33 Insomniac said at 7:00 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Who’s chopping onions in here?

  34. 34 laeagle said at 12:20 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    It’s just raining on my face

  35. 35 daveH said at 7:17 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Not me in cutting the cheeses

  36. 36 eagleyankfan said at 7:34 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Pederson trying to be a roster ‘shocker’ like CK.

  37. 37 Buge Halls said at 8:54 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Pederson had nothing to do with this – nothing!

  38. 38 Tumtum said at 10:55 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I’m sure this was a group decision. Either the kid was just better or Howie just sort of took an interest in the battle. I like Dorenbos as much as the next guy, but if this kid is good, why not?

  39. 39 SteveH said at 8:09 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I’m starting to get trade anxiety. NO ONE IS SAFE!

  40. 40 Crus57 said at 8:15 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Pretty sure I’m safe. Reckon you might be too.

  41. 41 Tumtum said at 10:53 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Look, if you guys really need to you can trade me to the Patriots. At least I would know my team is gonna win the big one before I go.

  42. 42 P_P_K said at 12:26 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    The Red Sox had the Curse of the Bambino. Maybe you’d bring the Curse of the Tumtum.

  43. 43 Tumtum said at 2:31 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I probably would.. I’m from Maryland like the Babe.

  44. 44 P_P_K said at 3:32 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I sure hope you’re not cursing the Eagles.

  45. 45 daveH said at 7:16 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    You got 2 Lax Championships last year

  46. 46 Tumtum said at 9:13 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I know! People were excited. I thought it was cool. Fun to play boring to watch, like soccer.

  47. 47 daveH said at 10:15 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Oooh, you didn’t enjoy that German Team that won the World Cup ? Too bad; Greatest team to ever step on a field ..any field, any sport … oooo how’s that for an all inclusive heavy statement .. but true.

  48. 48 Tumtum said at 9:20 AM on August 30th, 2017:

    Not really lol. I do like going to soccer bars where they are all painted up and heavily boozing at 9am on saturday.

  49. 49 Ark87 said at 8:59 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I’m pretty sure all New England fans are insufferable (I’m going to set a soap box over here for RobNE to claim if he sees this). So without anyone to trade for, you’re stuck with the Eagles, sorry Tumtum.

    Texans fans seem like the greatest people in the universe. The Oilers left, leaving one team in the state where state pride is everything, and they never became Dallas fans, “nah it’s cool, we’ll watch college and high school ball”. You willing to become a Texans fan?

  50. 50 Tumtum said at 9:11 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Nah, if I’m accepting never winning it all, I suppose I can stay.

  51. 51 Ark87 said at 10:46 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    not to mention, those poor folks in Houston have been through enough these past few days. Would be damn cruel to make one of the poor bastards an Eagles fan on top of all that.

  52. 52 Tumtum said at 9:19 AM on August 30th, 2017:

    To true.

  53. 53 RobNE said at 10:54 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I come here to get away from comments like this. Don’t ruin my safe place.

  54. 54 Tumtum said at 9:18 AM on August 30th, 2017:

    Lol. You are probably dealing with the level of douchery that made me an Eagles fan in the first place. When I was a young Tum Skins were winning Sulerbowls, and there was no team in Md. Not that this is a big state but I was much closer to D.C than Bmore. I hated skin fans, so I pickes their enemy (and under dog…glutton for punishment even then).

  55. 55 ChoTime said at 1:14 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    That’s what GEaglE thought.

  56. 56 RobNE said at 1:47 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    where did he go? and where is ACViking?

  57. 57 Mac said at 2:18 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I heard they stepped into the square circle to try to work out their differences. Because we haven’t heard anything since… I’m assuming the lawyer won.

  58. 58 P_P_K said at 3:31 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I heard it was an octagon and it was the fight of the century.

  59. 59 ChoTime said at 4:11 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Geagle won, but ACViking got him on appeal.

  60. 60 ChoTime said at 4:11 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Don’t know. I assume some of the oldies will come out of the woodwork when the games count. I hope AC and Baloophi are among them.

  61. 61 Ark87 said at 5:22 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Seems like Baloophi stopped coming around last season, I saw him posting a few times on Kempski’s articles. He’s the one that annually organizes the Senior Bowl donation drive, but he didn’t show up this year. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    I think A_T_G mentioned kids or some such being the cause (I might have completely confabulated that). His poetry will be missed!

  62. 62 A_T_G said at 7:08 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    No, you got it right. I think he still reads, or planned on it, but needed to cut back on entering the comments section.

  63. 63 Ark87 said at 5:17 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    ACViking is around, mostly browsing, you see him upvote a post once in a while.

  64. 64 SteveH said at 3:25 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I wonder what my trade value is.

  65. 65 Bert's Bells said at 8:27 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Who else thinks Howie’s gonna turn this pick into a 2022 Fourth-rounder?

  66. 66 Buge Halls said at 8:56 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see him package it with some other scraps in the 2018 draft to move up into the 2nd Round somehow.

  67. 67 Bert's Bells said at 9:38 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    4th Round is where it’s at. /howie

  68. 68 Green Sea Turtle said at 9:25 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Dump Lovato! We want David Akers for long snaps.

  69. 69 Seth S. Scott said at 9:34 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    lol, that video is great!

  70. 70 unhinged said at 10:45 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Is there a designated back-up LS? The Eagles signed Lovato when JD couldn’t go last season. Who will go if Lovato can’t dress for a game?

  71. 71 Tumtum said at 10:52 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Typically there is never a guy with the dedicated position of backup long snapper. There is always a guy or two designated the emergency guy. I can’t remember who it was. Like Celek or Barwin last year.

  72. 72 A_T_G said at 7:00 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    There was some unexpected guy practicing on the sideline, too. I can’t remember who. A cb or something?

  73. 73 sonofdman said at 2:21 AM on August 30th, 2017:

    I think Mack Hollins was practicing in training camp this year.

  74. 74 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:12 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    They’d sign another long snapper, like they did last year. Trey Burton and Brent Celek took over when Dorenbos got hurt in-game last year.

  75. 75 Bert's Bells said at 11:40 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Right. If he can’t dress, they’ll just get a street FA.

    In game, you deal with it. A little more going for it and 2PT conversions if it comes to that.

  76. 76 Tumtum said at 11:00 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    You guys interested in Haden? Me either.

  77. 77 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:12 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    It’s beyond my comprehension why people are upset we got a 7th round pick for a 37 year long snapper who missed a quarter of last season.

    Don’t let WIP melt your brain.

  78. 78 Crus57 said at 11:48 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    I guess because it was kinda out of the blue, we hadn’t heard any rumours the team were unhappy with Dorenbos, and while LS is by no means a prime position it is one that can be vital in certain circumstances (e.g. long kick to win the game in bad weather) so uncertainty there isn’t a good thing.

  79. 79 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 11:56 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    To my mind, the worst uncertainty is not knowing if a 37 year old player in a job that is heavily dependent on continuity can play a full season.

    Obviously, the Eagles know more about Lovato’s performance than we do. A vote in his favor is he played in the team’s last four regular season games. Starting Dorenbos, in fact, would be a BREAK in continuity for our field goal unit.

    And that is all I have to say about long snapping.

  80. 80 A_T_G said at 6:57 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Moreover, he played the last 4 games and nobody seems to remember the change. That speaks well for him.

  81. 81 RogerPodacter said at 2:29 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    i don’t use twitter for myself, but will follow a few people the hard way for news. It really seems like a lot of people are really melting down about the Dorenbos trade.
    people seem to be more upset about losing Dorenbos that Jordan Matthews.

  82. 82 Ark87 said at 3:05 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Sentiment: people liked him. And we live in a hot-take society. It isn’t rocket science.

  83. 83 levdog said at 5:02 AM on August 30th, 2017:

    why would any true fan listen to sports radio in Philly.

  84. 84 Gary Barnes said at 11:52 AM on August 29th, 2017:

    Love David Akers, classic

  85. 85 Ark87 said at 5:54 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Akers in his prime was awesome. Dude would not let you score a touchdown on his kickoffs. He would slide tackle, horse collar, do whatever it took. Was another long-tenured Eagle that it was sad to see go, but at least he had a couple down years so we saw it coming.

  86. 86 Guy Media said at 5:10 AM on August 30th, 2017:

    I just have to block out his last year, and especially his last game, with the team. He was easily the best kicker in franchise history and I loved all of the big kicks he hit over the years. My favorite thing he ever did was when he lit up a group of Giants coaches / players on the sideline on a kickoff.

  87. 87 Gary Barnes said at 12:17 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Draft update after the various trades this preseason:

    2012 draft: Cox, Kendricks, Curry & Foles (traded, brought back as backup) remain; everyone else gone

    *Cox a long term Eagle. Kendricks likely to be gone during or after this season, Curry may be too if he does not perform. Foles may stick around as the backup beyond this year.

    2013 draft: Johnson & Ertz remain; everyone else gone

    *Both long term Eagles

    2014 draft: Watkins (cut, then brought back, about to be cut again) & Allen remain: everyone else gone

    *Draft hanging by a thread; Watkins likely not making the roster and Allen as a backup.

    2015 draft: Agholor & Hicks remain; everyone else gone

    *Hicks a long term Eagle; Agholor’s future depends on this season’s performance

    2016 draft is too soon to fully evaluate yet; Wentz’s development is the major key, but so are Big V, Smallwood, Seumalo & Mills.

  88. 88 Someguy77 said at 5:09 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Subpar drafting the last decade is a big reason why this team has been so mediocre over that stretch too.

  89. 89 daveH said at 7:12 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Really good angle & intriguing … in a sense one can say the entire draft is over valued. . Belichek would have you develop this theory.. if you could trade all your draft picks for triple the number of players it might produce sumpin crazy

  90. 90 Ark87 said at 7:26 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Good stuff, it’s not as horrible as it looks though (still not good by any means). There were 2 regime changes in that time span. So some of the good players just don’t fit ideally anymore so they go in trades or we aren’t willing to pay them market price in FA so we let them walk. The Rowes, Bennies, JMatts, etc. Taylor Hart is technically still here but they have him playing O-line in the new regime, a sure cut.

    2012 is actually pretty impressive, all things considered.

  91. 91 T_S_O_P said at 12:52 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Congratulations and best of luck to Jon, as well as big thanks for not tarnishing the great #46 of Izel ‘Toast’ Jenkins. 🙂

  92. 92 truehaynes said at 1:28 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    does anyone think this might upset guys in the locker room? i guess i cant be sure but i thought dorenbos was pretty damn popular. Also guys must be worried seeing howie trade guys left and right

  93. 93 or____ said at 3:19 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Nope. They know it’s a business.

  94. 94 MunichEagles said at 3:04 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Character gets you faster of this team then lack of talent. Next time I hit F5 we sign/trade Cowboys players because idiots/criminals/abuser is the go-to thing now as the NFL is a copy-cat league.

  95. 95 or____ said at 3:37 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Over a long snapper? Really?

    Talent is one part of it. Character another (Greg Hardy is out of the league for a reason after all – finally).

    But $ is another part. This was mostly about $ and getting younger.

  96. 96 Bert's Bells said at 3:52 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Somebody (sorry don’t remember who —DaveSomething) has laid out a good argument that the cost savings are minimal. So it’s not a financial decision. I imagine Dorenbos has the highest selling jersey in the NFL amongst LS.

    Most likely it comes down to performance. They probably think that Lovato is straight up better. Or they think he’s pretty close but gives them the option of 5 year stability at the position. The old “bird in hand” scenario.

  97. 97 or____ said at 3:56 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Fair enough. But is Lovato not cheaper than having Dorenbos on the team? I thought the comparison was between cutting Dorenbos and trading him. This way we pay a (presumably equal performer) less, and get a pick out of it…

  98. 98 Ark87 said at 4:01 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    yeah, it’s just one of those things. He’s a great guy, would have loved to see him retire an eagle, but waiting for that to happen who knows when is difficult. You don’t get the benefit of a transition. Jon retires, and now we are looking for a new Long snapper. Circumstance made us do that mid-season last year, just so happens we liked what we found (I guess), and someone offered us compensation to tip the scales.

  99. 99 Someguy77 said at 5:08 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I doubt it comes down to performance that much either. Even if Dorenbos had a slight edge in camp, going with a guy who gives them long-term stability who they think is a capable starter makes perfect sense.

    Fools on sports talk radio are getting worked up over nothing.

  100. 100 A_T_G said at 6:46 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I think that last part is the key. Greg Richards drew the same conclusion on Twitter and it rings true. If you have a guy you like, there is no way to stash him. Go with Dorenbos and you are committed to finding a new guy in one offseason with no contingency plan.

    On a larger scale, we want Howie working thus way. As fans, we get to be sentimental. We want Howie laser focused on improving the team now and moving forward. Joe Banner built his best teams when we were calling him a heartless skinflint. If Howie can get a 2nd rounder for Swoop, he should start looking for a younger, cheaper bird.

  101. 101 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:09 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Just a question. But does LS make tackles on ST. Like punt coverage. Snap ball then run up field for coverage. Wondering if this was a factor as ST during preseason been below Fipp standards. So that youth n able to get down field might have gave Lovato the nod over Dorenbos.

  102. 102 Ark87 said at 4:23 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Not really supposed to, Dorenbos was always getting into the action which is how he got hurt. That’s a no-no in a situation where you have no back-up. That cost us a game last year, which is kind of nuts when you think about it. So yeah, you run down to be a body, but you didn’t make the squad for you athleticism and the team can’t afford to lose you.

  103. 103 D3FB said at 6:20 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    They do occasionally but they tend to get mugged right off the line.

  104. 104 TO BLACKS said at 6:16 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Risky move!

  105. 105 bobeph said at 8:50 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    you’re a meat stick,

  106. 106 daveH said at 9:13 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    What’s with the sudden rash of blocked viewers .. must be the darkside of increased igglesblitz fame

  107. 107 ColorSgt said at 12:07 AM on August 30th, 2017:

    I think those two might be the same 15 year old kid.

  108. 108 D3FB said at 6:26 PM on August 29th, 2017:

  109. 109 KillaKadafi said at 6:33 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I agree, if he had been cut along with everyone else prior to week one, the reaction would have been minimal.

    By giving him a send-off the Eagles actually opened the door to the negadelphians.

  110. 110 Ark87 said at 7:10 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Sure people are sad because they really liked Dorenbos and that’s fueling some ridiculous hot-takes, but the backlash “nobody even noticed he was on IR last season” (Yeah we totally didn’t notice losing a game to a division rival last season because we were having LS tryouts on the sidelines), “nobody would have noticed if they didn’t announce the trade”, “nobody would notice if he had been cut before week 1 with everyone else” is getting tired. Crazy and emotional, generally yes. Acting like we don’t pay attention, like we’re Cowboys fans or something, please. Half of us are so crazy we don’t just pour over our own roster transactions, we are eyeing everyone else’s for players we covet.

  111. 111 D3FB said at 10:15 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    If your LS gets hurt in a game you have in game tryouts no matter what.

    Let me put my statement another way, I forgot Lovato existed. It took me a good 5 minutes to realize that he was the same guy from last year and I had no clue he was even in camp. And I have opinions on Victor Salako.

    I’m saying that if no one had said anything, he was cut during the big one and no one wrote specific story on it, 95% of fans wouldn’t have realized it until Lovato had a bad snap and I would have had a “wait that’s weird where’s Dorenbos moment” in week 2 or 3.

  112. 112 Ark87 said at 11:15 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    On the LS in-game try out: what I meant is it was hard to not notice him getting hurt last year, that was a crazy game.

    As for Lovato, I definitely had no idea that was his name. Or that he was in camp. In a world that there was no news, and no internet (that’s key, this place has people that will watch any trailer frame by frame in hopes of spoiling a show/movie, also apparently I notice ACViking activity by noticing his up votes), there would definitely be an in game, “wait who the hell is that?” moment Followed up by “where the hell is Dorenbos”. And then people would get sad.

    The key point at the crux of it and agree with: there will probably be next to no noticeable impact on the field.

    I totally get the move and support it. My devil’s advocate argument: If you can pick up a serviceable LS off the streets mid-season (is that normal?), what does long-term viability matter if it’s easy to find a LS at any time. And you aren’t freeing up much cap. And the product on the field is probably the same either way. You basically end up having a clear-cut price tag on “really good dude who does a ton for your city with no real on-field draw-backs”: 7th round pick. Kind of an icky feeling.

  113. 113 FairOaks said at 7:17 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Not after the America’s Got Talent bit. People liked the guy a lot, and sounds like he was fun in the locker room.

    That said… it’s the NFL, and everybody’s time comes sooner or later. If Fipp preferred Lovato, then that’s basically it. Locker room is great, but on the field performance trumps everything. [Youth and cost also matter, but don’t get the feeling they did much here.]

  114. 114 daveH said at 7:21 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    We notice here. . We notice Geagle disappearance and low levels of activity from ACV … see awesome discussion below

  115. 115 A_T_G said at 8:17 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    That Tyler guy has great perspective. I should follow him.

  116. 116 D3FB said at 9:56 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    He’s got a new job so much less time for fire takes unfortunately.

  117. 117 ColorSgt said at 6:48 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    This was a tough one for me. Dude had a really rough life and has turned it into a positive with his motivational speaking, magic, and NFL career. He’s got some amazing stories including how he got on a roster in college. I’ll be a fan of his for life.

  118. 118 A_T_G said at 7:31 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Absolutely. He is one of the most heartwarming success stories in sports. He is appreciative, and kind, and fun. He is exactly what you hope every guy for whom you root would be.

    He is also at the end of his career in a job with zero security. He had (and has) the option to retire but decided to continue in another city. Good for him, but I get it.

  119. 119 Insomniac said at 7:28 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Are we desperate enough to try to reclaim another OL project in Cameron Erving if he’s cut? I think he still has great upside and he’s still relatively young at 25.

  120. 120 CrackSammich said at 7:59 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    If some other team is cutting him, I don’t know that he’s that much better than the guys we’ve got that we’d make room for him.

  121. 121 Insomniac said at 9:34 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Josh Andrews needs competition man.

  122. 122 CrackSammich said at 10:35 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    In the unemployment line?

  123. 123 D3FB said at 6:14 PM on August 30th, 2017:


  124. 124 Ark87 said at 7:37 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I’ll miss Dorenbos, great Eagle, particularly off the field. Just an amazing guy.

    But serious question: has anyone ever drafted a Long Snapper since it became a specialist position? 7th round pick ain’t much, but is it the most anyone has ever spent on a Long Snapper?

  125. 125 A_T_G said at 7:41 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I think NE drafted one in the 4th the other year, but to your point, it was noteworthy for a reason. And the guy was younger than 37.

    Possibly, the Pats drafted a guy in the 4th because they found themselves in the situation we are trying to avoid.

  126. 126 Ark87 said at 7:45 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    a 4th!? That’s nuts! Did he do anything else, was he good in coverage or something? I guess why not, Belichick regularly accumulates about 37 mid-round picks, at some point I’m sure he runs out of players that he wants.

  127. 127 A_T_G said at 8:37 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I was close. From Wikipedia:

    Cardona was drafted in the fifth round (166th overall) of the 2015 NFL draft.[3] He played college football for Navy. He is only the fourth player designated as a long snapper ever to be drafted, and the second highest-drafted long snapper in NFL history, after Ryan Pontbriand.[4] With the Patriots, he won Super Bowl LI over the Atlanta Falcons.

  128. 128 Ark87 said at 8:37 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    I edited my comment right when you posted this lol.

  129. 129 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:29 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Wishing all the best to Jon Dorenbos. Well respected. High character individual. Did his job. Represented us well. Guy should never have to pay for a drink in this town ever again. Good luck to him.

  130. 130 Corry said at 9:44 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Ok but seriously, do we have a back up magician on the team?

  131. 131 Ryan Rambo said at 10:04 PM on August 29th, 2017:

    Yep! McGloin! He can give fans indigestion just by taking the field. WALAAAAA!!!

  132. 132 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:26 AM on August 30th, 2017:

    Howie Roseman.