Eagles Make a Big Trade

Posted: August 11th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 208 Comments »

The Eagles got better at CB on Friday. And we finally found out about Jordan Matthews’ future. It’s in Buffalo, at least for the next few months. Howie Roseman dealt Matthews and a 2018 3rd round pick to the Bills for CB Ronald Darby.

There are a lot of angles to this deal. Let’s break them down.

The most basic is that the Eagles are better at CB, which was the weakest position on the team. Darby instantly is the best CB on the Eagles. You might not love Darby. You might not love the compensation. But he does make the Eagles better.

Darby has started 29 games over the first two years of his career. He has 33 passes defensed, which tells you he can make plays. Darby ran 4.38 at the Combine. He has a 41.5-inch vertical jump. That shows you he is a fast, explosive athlete. That is something the Eagles lacked even in their young CBs. Watch the speed Darby shows in this clip.

And this play shows his recovery speed, after being caught off-guard at the snap.

Darby had a terrific rookie season and looked like a star in the making. Like so many Bills teammates, he had a disappointing season in 2016. The Eagles see a 23-year old CB with good ability and dynamic speed. He’s also still on his rookie deal so he is a great fit financially. This is a player the Eagles are happy to roll the dice on.

Giving up Matthews wasn’t easy. He was the best player from the 2014 draft class and was highly thought of by everyone in the organization. Carson Wentz loved Matthews, making it even tougher to deal him. This was all about money.

Jimmy Bama is the first person I heard talk about the difficulty of re-signing Matthews. We were at the Senior Bowl and the subject came up. Jimmy thought it could be a real tricky situation. Matthews was the only good WR on the roster at the time so I didn’t really buy his argument. The Eagles would figure something out. But Jimmy did make a compelling case.

He said that Matthews’ agent would push stats and look for a big payday. If you go by the numbers, Matthews does look incredibly good.

Anyone who has actually watched all those players would tell you Matthews is by far the weakest player listed. That doesn’t mean he’s bad. Clearly, Matthews is a good NFL receiver. The problem is that he’s not a playmaker. He’s not a weapon coaches have to gameplan for. He doesn’t require the best CB to cover him. He isn’t a WR that you build a passing game around.

If you had a star receiver and Matthews was your #2 or #3 guy, that would be a good set-up. But he would have to be paid like that. Matthews agent is going to look for big bucks. He’s not worth that. The Eagles weren’t going to pay big bucks to keep him in March so they were going to lose him after the season. By dealing him now, they get something in return.

The Eagles could only make this move because the young WRs stepped up and played so well this spring and summer. Nelson Agholor will be your primary slot receiver for now. Mack Hollins looked great in the opener. Bryce Treggs now has a real shot to make the team. Marcus Johnson wasn’t able to play vs the Packers, but he’s been really opening eyes in the offseason.

Greg Ward could be an ideal slot receiver. He was up and down vs the Packers, but has been a pleasant surprise this summer. Donnel Pumphrey also factors into this. The Eagles want to mix him into the offense. He can catch the ball out of the backfield, but can also play in the slot.

Not all of these players will work out as hoped, but there is a real chance the Eagles could build a young, talented receiving corps with these guys. There is risk, but a reasonable one because so many of the young players have impressed to this point.

As much as giving up Matthews hurt, losing the pick was almost as painful. The Eagles are already missing their 2nd round pick in 2018. You hate to be without a 2nd and 3rd rounder. But think of it this way. The Eagles just used a 3rd round pick on CB Rasul Douglas. Would you rather have him or Darby? I would take Darby, the young, talented CB with actual NFL experience and some production.

What does Darby mean for the future?

Sidney Jones
Ronald Darby
Jalen Mills
Rasul Douglas
C.J. Smith

That could be a pretty good quintet of corners. You can’t get by with one or two guys these days. You need options. The Eagles now have a young, talented group that could play together for a few years.

There are still plenty of question marks. Jones could have injury issues. Darby could struggle like he did last year. Mills could continue to be inconsistent. Douglas might never adjust to the NFL. Smith could prove he’s in over his head. None of these players is a slam dunk.

But that’s life in the NFL. There are no sure things. You take chances on players you believe in, guys that you think can succeed on your team.

Howie Roseman and the Eagles took a chance today, but if this move works as they expect, it could help this team to be better in 2017 and into the future.


208 Comments on “Eagles Make a Big Trade”

  1. 1 Ray888 said at 11:21 PM on August 11th, 2017:

    I can’t stop recalling the Dick Clark Show – Mary, South Philly; Sue, Fishtown; and RON, DARBY. At least that’s the way I remember it.

  2. 2 daveH said at 2:20 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Is there a Don Cornelius in the league ??, Blavitt, Jerry ?*

  3. 3 Ray888 said at 10:11 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    I’m picturing Blavitt driving around CC & S. Philly in what I believe was a “Cord” convertible. Not sure I ever knew what “the geater with the heater” really meant.

  4. 4 ChoTime said at 11:21 PM on August 11th, 2017:

    Fuuuurrrr… never mind.

    I love this trade. JM is just not a difference maker, and they took a shot at getting one at our weakest position. Well done.

  5. 5 Insomniac said at 12:54 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    I love the trade. Darby and Jones both have #1 CB potential. Darby did have a down year but how much of it can be accredited to a dysfunctional Bills organization remains to be seen. Ideally he improves with a much more stable team and front 7 so we don’t need to draft more CBs again.

    I think people are falling into the a pitfall when trying to access what Jones could be. He has a much longer road than Darby does right now. He has to gain 10-15 pounds without slowing down. That’s much easier said then done since he has that achilles injury that might rob him of some speed. If Douglas is playing well then there’s absolutely no rush to put him on the field. So unless Jones can unseat Darby immediately, then he’s probably going to be the #2 CB until he’s either good enough or Darby sucks/gets way too expensive.

    With all that being said, Darby can make up for that lost 3rd round pick by giving us more Eli face/OBJ tantrum gifs.

  6. 6 CrackSammich said at 1:20 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Howie seems to like to exploit how much other GMs over value draft picks.

    Yeah, it sucks not having a 2nd or 3rd rounder next year, but Jernigan the last draft and Darby this coming draft were far better than what we would have gotten in the 3rd round. And better yet, there’s no projection because both have already had results in the NFL.

    I look forward to Howie fleecing whatever shitty GM decides they’re the new Hinkie. And I don’t for a second mourn the loss of picks when we already got a proven player for them. Trust the Process, but exploit the Process better yet.

  7. 7 Guy Media said at 6:12 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Especially because these last two guys were acquired while on rookie salaries and seem to fit our system.

  8. 8 Ray888 said at 7:25 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    1. Lock-up your own good, young players early; trade for others’s good, young players who weren’t locked up early. 2. Trade your player who doesn’t fit your new scheme (Rowe); acquire player who doesn’t fit other’s new scheme because of coaching changes (Darby). A couple of ways of looking at what HR’s doing and may continue to do.

  9. 9 bsuperfi said at 9:03 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    I that’s right that we’re exploiting the overvaluing of picks. But it’s also worth noting one major weakness of the strategy: we don’t keep players on rookie deals as long if we give up picks and get players toward the end of their contracts.

    It’s usually worth the risk in my mind. We have a much better idea what we’re getting with Jernigan and Darby than an untested 2nd rounder. But we need to be careful in the long run not to do this too much. It’ll eat away at the cap at the margins, which adds up over time. And it decreases roster stability if we don’t resign those players.

  10. 10 Tom33 said at 10:10 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Maybe Douglas changes things, but when you consider how absolutely awful the organization has been with draft picks over the past 5-10 years, giving up picks for semi-proven young players seems like a pretty good strategy.

  11. 11 Greg Tulino said at 1:55 AM on August 12th, 2017:


    The Eagles have 4 picks in the 4th round next year. I will bet anyone on this thread a cheese steak , fries and a beer that HR will find a way to get us a 3rd round pick next year. ( Maybe Michael Kendricks and a 4th for a third? Who knows) It’s going to happen one way or the other. I am very excited we were able to obtain a legit young starting CB with multiple years left on a cheap rookie deal to help us compete not only this year for a division title , but also into the future.

  12. 12 Guy Media said at 6:01 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    There will be moves! And don’t forget you could also see Kelce moved in a manner similar to what you suggest for Kendricks.

  13. 13 daveH said at 2:17 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Do we prefer trading with the Bills?

  14. 14 SteveH said at 4:48 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    They’re actually our subsidiary, Eagles north.

  15. 15 daveH said at 9:56 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Air & Land …who iz our ‘sea’ ?

  16. 16 or____ said at 9:59 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Had been the Texans but I’ll go with either WV or FSU now – (Jerningan, Darby, and I think Terrance Brooks were on the same team…). Used to be Cincinnati (U) with Celek, Cole, Barwin, I think one more too)…

  17. 17 daveH said at 1:54 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Yeah the Duck years

  18. 18 or____ said at 2:02 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Of course

  19. 19 daveH said at 10:33 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    The fupped duck years . . .

  20. 20 daveH said at 1:58 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Never realized the Dolphins are the only fish in the league ..

  21. 21 or____ said at 2:06 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Good point. Now I see where you were going with that. But, they ain’t fish…

  22. 22 Tumtum said at 2:41 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Aquatic Mamals, thank you.

  23. 23 wee2424 said at 5:16 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    They are the only marine based animal, but there are no fish in the league.

  24. 24 daveH said at 1:55 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Inventory of High draft picks that don’t pan out. ..

  25. 25 DanJ3645 said at 4:51 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    By getting better on D it also should help Wentz’ development.
    The closer the games the more balanced our offence can be which should reduce the beating he took, compared to last year.

  26. 26 Guy Media said at 5:59 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Less shootouts. Less predictability in having to pass as many times.

  27. 27 Dave said at 7:49 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Sort of like the situation Dak stepped into last season.

  28. 28 Ankerstjernen said at 6:01 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    It seems very difficult now to make the argument, that the Eagles are not significantly improved from last year. Just think about this; The following units appear to have had net improvements added or upgraded during the offseason; WR, CB, DT, DE, RB. Maybe OL (depth at least). If you buy into the idea of Wentz being better in his second year (by all accounts he should be), how is this team not significantly better than the 2016-team? We havent lost any valuable talent at any other spot.

    I think we have to give Howie more credit. He has essentially changed an entire team, flushed out everyone expendable or poor fit and brought in more suitable players on pretty much every position – while also trading up for a franchise QB in the process – in a matter of just two off seasons. I think the amount of change he has been able to bring in just 18 months is extraordinary. If this all works out, he deserves most of the credit out of everyone. With all the talk about how he has managed to escape responsibility under Reid and Kelly, this team, right now, is the one that he has definitely built himself. Its his fingerprints all over it, his decisions throughout. I think this will be his legacy, however it goes.

    The real question with all the changes is weather he managed to find the right coach. We’ll see about that I guess.

  29. 29 Guy Media said at 6:02 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    The best part about the roster is that you 100% know hes’ not done

  30. 30 Jernst said at 6:48 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    People keep forgetting that we’ll have between $30-50 million in cap space next off season….right at the beginning of our super bowl window. We’ll need to lock up Jeffery, Jernigan and Hicks, and that’ll certainly eat into a good chunk of that. But we’re primed for a nice long run with the rest of this teams young core locked up on reasonable deals.

  31. 31 Tumtum said at 2:39 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    You think more trades or biggish FA adds (like late vet cuts) are in the works? Admittedly I didn’t anticipate this, but I don’t feel additional moves are imminent.

  32. 32 ChoTime said at 1:43 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    “If this all works out” is the key part of your post. Flashy trades and remaking the team into something worse or no better is not to be admired.

  33. 33 Ankerstjernen said at 2:03 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    True. But making far-sighted moves acquiring young talent on thin positions of great importance is without paying a ton is.

  34. 34 Tumtum said at 2:37 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Things always seem improved at rhia time of year. We shall see.

  35. 35 Guy Media said at 6:16 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    An underrated aspect of moving Matthews is that they shouldn’t have to play as much “11” to get their best players on the field. Matthews only being able to play slot didn’t allow this team as much alignment versatility as you’d like to see. Now they seem to have a roster where running “11”, “21”, and/or “12” can all happen with greater ease.

  36. 36 Dave said at 7:47 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    I am under the impression that Ertz and/or Burton will be playing the slot quite a bit to get them on the field together.

    I’ve rewatched the 2-point conversion attempt from Thursday several times in slow motion. Ags and Wentz are starting at each other from the get-go as this play was designed for Ags. There are no 2 ways to sugarcoat that that was a simple catch that he let clank off his hands.

    I can see him making plays from the slot, but I would have no confidence throwing him the ball on third down.

  37. 37 bsuperfi said at 8:57 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    That last line is a nice way of putting it. Agholor looks good when he’s moving around–fast, quick, and smooth. His hands are obviously a problem. He’s not who you want catching the ball in traffic on 3rd and 3. He might become an explosive X factor that shows up at random times if we’re lucky. My long shot hope is that he catches some balls early in some games and the season in general, and is like a shooter who makes a few layups to get going.

  38. 38 or____ said at 9:27 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Very well put – and I agree about Dave’s last sentence there.

    But I think that’s fine. You have 17, 82, 10, 86, maybe Johnson and/or Treggs there too or even Ward, plus Celek, Burton, potentially all 4 running backs as reliable third down converters (+ Wentz legs)…. we have an offense where Agholor can be a 1rst and second down “weapon” and primarily that until/if he solidifies himself as a matured, reliable target.

  39. 39 wee2424 said at 5:37 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    You cannot make that a consistent part of your O. Look what happened last year.

    The problem is if you use him more as a specialized WR then more then likely he knows the play is going to him. Everyone does. Will he mentally crumble with the thought of that, and then therefore hurting the team in game due to botching the play?

  40. 40 wee2424 said at 5:29 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    My concern is now that he got all this hype, the position, talk about more playmaking ability versus the starter they just traded away, that he will mentally break down when it’s time to show it.

    Did he drop that pass because the bullets were live in front of millions? The fact that it was for points? The fact that from the snap he knew the play was for him?

    I bet you that play somewhat played in Howie’s mind while finalizing the deal. How could it not?

  41. 41 Gary Barnes said at 7:58 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    I’m mixed on the trade. Loved Matthews and understand good draft picks are valuable, but also understand CB is an important position and we need help there.

    Roseman has been heavily involved in the recent failures at CB so I hope Darby works out and becomes the #1 we have not had since Samuel. The good news is he is young, shown some production already and is still on his rookie deal. That is a different approach for Roseman who previously has gone with mediocre vets and/or long shot youngsters.

    If Darby excels here, it will be a win and should help our D reach the next level of consistency and reliability. Hopefully, that will be the case. I wish Matthews the best in his career except, of course, versus the Eagles. πŸ™‚

  42. 42 Patrick said at 10:32 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    The only real issue I have with the trade, is the assumption both with fans and apparently within the team, that Agholor won’t be the absolute detriment he has been for his entire career.

    I get that the team probably talked to JMatts reps and figured out that he is looking for a big deal that we won’t, and probably shouldn’t give him. A WR who actually can’t catch probably isn’t worth that deal. I get that even with Matthews, we probably aren’t gonna win a ring this year, and its good to get value if he is gone anyways. I get that Jmatt might be a little overrated, can’t play on the outside or against top CBs and probably has some inflated stats. I get that CB is a real issue, a premier position and that you have to give something to get someting. I get that Agholor has looked good in camp.

    But jesus fucking christ, its Nelson Agholor and its fucking camp. Ags has been thrash for basically his entire pro career, and lo and behold he can’t even perform in a pre season game. If JMatt has inflated stats, shouldn’t Ags have them too? I really dont get how people think that he will suddenly be awesome or even somewhat decent in the slot this year. What possible reason is there to support this? I hope Agholor becomes the real deal but theres literally no evidence that its even a hope or a prayer right now, its likes more like an impossibility. I think theres a much bigger chance that we’ll succeed with Mack Hollins on the field, and he is a freaking midlevel rookie.

    Overall, im very happy with the trade, but I have to admit i’m also sipping the Darby koolaid since his rookie season, and yes I was one of the people who thought he should have been given the nod for DROTY over Peters. But theres not a doubt in my mind, that our passing offense got much worse with the trade. Hopefully, Alshon and Smith and the draft picks makes us better than last year, but we would have been better with JMatt, who I also think we will really miss in the locker room.

    I won’t say this is Ags’ last chance, because im not eating 2,5 million in dead money by cutting a 1st round draft pick, which will still happen if we cut him next season. Buuuut, now is the time to fucking start producing Nellie. Because theres is also a real possibility that Torrey Smith really was as bad as his years in SF suggested and that Alshon gets injured which would of course leave us with… Nelson Agholor – WR1…. The horror!

  43. 43 or____ said at 10:34 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    We have zero players that can play in the slot other than Agholor, so you have a good point.

    It’s not about Nelson. At all in my opinion.

  44. 44 phillychuck said at 12:16 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Ertz, Burton, Pumphrey, and Ward all can play the slot, with it arguably being the best position for all of them.

  45. 45 or____ said at 12:21 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Exactly (i was being sarcastic). And so can all the other wrs, save for maybe Treggs. Good teams use their #s 1 and 2 wr in slot a fair amount.

  46. 46 ChoTime said at 1:41 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I agree that this wasn’t about Ags. It was about our cornerbacks being a dumpster fire. You can live without WRs (see: Eagles, 1999-2003). You can’t live without CBs.

  47. 47 or____ said at 1:48 PM on August 12th, 2017:


  48. 48 Rob Jarratt said at 8:53 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Just for kicks, I went to an article by Marcus Hayes on philly.com just to gauge commenters’ reactions to the trade vs. here. My conclusion: there is a great divide among Eagles’ fans. There are the usual suspects who make one of two sentence comments such as “Roseman stinks. He gives away valuable draft picks for what?” Then there are deeper thinkers here who understand that having four picks in the fourth round next year will absolutely translate into getting back into the third round at the very least.

    Why do I even bother with philly.com? I must have sado-masochistic complex.

  49. 49 ColorSgt said at 10:28 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Gave up Phillydotcom a week after Jimmy Bama left. I would read these terribly depressing articles and then his stuff would balance it all out. But after he left it was rough over there. Hayes is the worst. Tommy and Jimmy are really all I read. They know their stuff and always keep it interesting.

  50. 50 Rob Jarratt said at 1:34 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Thanks for your implicit advice. I need to go the Jimmy Bama.

  51. 51 ColorSgt said at 6:00 PM on August 12th, 2017:


    Here is the origin of Jimmy Bama. Enjoy.

  52. 52 Mr. Magee said at 4:02 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    THAT was an awesome read.. thank you for the link.

  53. 53 Obama's son said at 9:33 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    A day short and a dollar late. Reuben Franks is a nasty looking FAT SLOB.

  54. 54 dandynator said at 9:43 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    tbh i’m really liking this trade. even thought he was a good player never great enough to be a 1 and always would have a key drop at one time or another even at his peak. runs 4.5 or more Always in the slot and really elite cbs could shut him down easily. To me this is once again great stuff from the main man himself HR

  55. 55 or____ said at 9:45 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    BGN has some interesting jersey # updates with Darby’s new one, Blount and Terrance Brooks making changes. I love this stuff, and say what you want about that site, they are good for instant updates/always satisfies the dopamine hit addiction that modern internet engaged fans are afflicted with (self admission no doubt).

  56. 56 or____ said at 9:54 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Re the mini-controversy about Treggs whining and/or having a hamstring injury – he’s reportedly out of practice today due to sore legs… so there’s that… (doesn’t really decide it one way or another IMO…

    I love that there’s a pick on the BGN live tweet stream of Ronald Darby talking to Sidney Jones at practice today!!! So “the future”.

  57. 57 nathaniel driver said at 9:56 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    This may have been mentioned before, but another aspect about bringing in Darby is that with (hopefully) improved coverage, our front seven should be able to bring more pressure and be more effective in getting to the QB. I hope this helps stop the firmula of opposing teams throwing short passes all day to negate our pass rush.

    I like JM, but it doesnt seem likely we would invest the money in bringing him back, so trading him for a corner we sorely need seems like a pretty smart move. Put me in the optimistic category.

  58. 58 xmbk said at 10:14 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Coaches all over the league are getting on their GM’s, wondering why they can’t get their biggest hole filled like Howie did.

  59. 59 Rome said at 11:02 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Ummm… lol?

  60. 60 Allen3000 said at 11:32 AM on August 12th, 2017:


  61. 61 Dave said at 12:33 PM on August 12th, 2017:


  62. 62 Seth S. Scott said at 10:15 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    love this trade, especially after seeing this:

    Sidney Jones

    Ronald Darby

    Jalen Mills

    Rasul Douglas

    C.J. Smith

    The future of this group could be really good and especially them all being rather young and talented. If Jones pans out and Darby/Mills are our solid 2/3 it could make the same transition our WR group did this offseason from last year.

  63. 63 Rome said at 10:58 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    If ever there’s been an example of the old chestnut, “there’s lies, damn lies, and then there’s statistics” Jordan Matthews’ stats would be the ideal. I’m not saying he sucks or anything like that. He’s a capable NFL receiver. But if his agent is looking for money that is anywhere close to what his stats indicate they should be, I’d say regardless of whatever the Eagles got back in return for him is a win.

    I loved Darby coming out of FSU and his play in 2015 certainly shows he’s got the ability to be a front line starting CB on a good defensive team. The Eagles front seven and safeties constitute just that. All in all I love the trade. Matthews will be missed but he’s anything but irreplaceable as a starting slot receiver, and make no mistake about it… that’s exactly what he was with Smith & Jeffrey as the starters outside.

  64. 64 ChoTime said at 1:40 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    He’s accumulated lots of volume stats, similar to Sam Bradford. It doesn’t add up to winning football by itself. Like in basketball, you want your good shooters to get the shots, but a bad shooter can get 25 points if he keeps chucking.

    There are other stats that show he’s not in the company of those other players.

  65. 65 bsuperfi said at 11:26 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    Question for the group: If Jones and Darby lock down the 1/2 CB spots in the long run, does Jalen Mills have slot potential? I see Mills as a competitive dude who’s a little slow but scrappy and mentally tough (I mean, the adversity/failure he fought through last year was serious). I like him as a player on the team who sees the field, if not as a starting outside CB matched up against Dez, Odell, and the like. But I don’t know if he has other skills he might need to play the slot well. Any thoughts?

  66. 66 Nick C said at 11:38 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    I was chastised over at PV yesterday for mentioning the same thing. I think Mills and Douglas are both better suited for the slot. Because of that I just believe, “Slow corners belong in the slot!”

  67. 67 kajomo said at 12:28 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I think Mills would be a good slot. He is scrappy and a willing tackler as well.

    Douglas would struggle in the slot. His length will make it tough to keep up with guys like Cole Beasley.

  68. 68 Dave said at 12:30 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Jenkins plays the slot and has similar length. Not sure why being over 6′ would hurt.

  69. 69 kajomo said at 12:34 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Douglas is 6’3″ and is much more “leggy” than Jenkins. In the slot where WRs consistently have a 2 way-go you need agility and COD more than size or speed. Douglas belongs on the outside where he can use his length and the sideline to minimize throwing windows.

  70. 70 Dave said at 12:52 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    IMO, I disagree. It still comes down to whether the slot is playing zone or man and the type of slot receiver.

    JMatt and Fitz are much different to cover than Beasely and Edelman. It’s all about matchups. It is the reason why JMatt was expendable and Pederson may be using Ags, Pumphrey, Sproles, Ertz, Burton or Hollins in the slot.

  71. 71 Insomniac said at 1:29 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Fitz is one of a kind. Matthews can barely beat 5’10 slot CBs.

  72. 72 Dave said at 1:58 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    On top of that, Fitz spent the first 10 years of his career on the outside. Arians moved him to the slot in the past few years.

  73. 73 bsuperfi said at 3:58 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    This makes sense. While Fitz isn’t exactly standard, the slot WR position is characterized by shifty guys and sometimes big physical ones (maybe even an H-back type player). So, change of direction is big time. Physicality and toughness are important. Instincts are important in an area of the field where things happen quickly and traps are often sprung on defensive players. Ideal slot CBs can deal with all of this, but there just aren’t a lot of them out there.

    All that said, Mills might be a decent choice. But his role would certainly change from week to week depending on matchups and gameplanning.

  74. 74 wee2424 said at 5:48 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    Agree regarding Mills. I just think his skill set due his weakness’s make him a better nickel then. He seems physical enough to play in the middle, and I don’t think he suffers from lack of quick feet.

  75. 75 Dave said at 12:28 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Douglas has ball skills and height. Mills would ideally be relegated to the dime/backup.

  76. 76 Insomniac said at 1:30 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Douglas isn’t a slot CB, he needs to work with the sideline to maximize his length/talents. Mills probably can’t be a slot CB if the current trend of super quick slot WRs continues to grow. IMO, he’s more of a safety than a CB.

  77. 77 Tumtum said at 2:28 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    In my uninformed opionion I think RD’s long legs make him a poopy slot choice.

  78. 78 Tumtum said at 2:26 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I think smart people projected the slot as his best fit. I personally am unqualified to make that assesment, though the alignments with him in the slot this spring back that up.

  79. 79 Allen3000 said at 11:31 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    I more warm than cold on this trade, but don’t get this outpouring of Howie love/hate. I guess I’m in the minority of Eagles fans who are just lukewarm on Howie.

    On one hand, I can’t deny that he generally does a good job of going out and signing/drafting the guys that seemingly fit our system. We’ve done a decent job of landing more high profile free agents through the years, and players tend to enjoy their stay with the Eagles.

    However, it’s impossible to overlook our team’s lack of success over the last half-decade plus. No playoff wins in nearly a decade. Only 1 NFC East crown in the past half-decade plus.

    And the irony of the latest trade, is that we had to give up a high draft pick AND a proven commodity at WR. We’re still paying an extremely high price for Howie/front office’s poor job of bringing in productive & reliable starting CBs. No one is asking for Bobby/Troy or Sheldon/Lito, but at least 1-2 homegrown servicable CBs over the past 5 years??? That shouldn’t be THAT difficult of a task. And look at what we’ve gotten from those outside free agents we brought in through the years.

    Again, just don’t understand the high praise (likewise, don’t get the vitriol either).

  80. 80 Ankerstjernen said at 12:31 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I think you have to consider that Reid was really the one in control and Kelly had a flawed philosophy that hurt the team. I know, I know, there are so many excuses for Howie in this regard, but they are also valid. What you have to look at is; How effective has he been in bringing in the players the coach wants and how good has be been at getting rid of the bad fits and managing the cap? In this regard I think he has done much more good than bad. We cant fault him for the Chipism, but we can give him credit for making an absolutely brilliant three-legged move-up for the best QB in the draft when a lot of other teams were in better position to do that while not giving away a lot of picks and still bringing in other players of worth; Last years draft class looks very promising so far but more importantly he managed to get out of all the horrible contracts from the Chip era and replace them with better players almost without a noticeable down-season. I dont think people realise how hard this is to do. Think about other teams that suddenly have to change coaches, change systems, change defensive fronts and are without a franchise QB. This usually means to or three years of being awful while paying off dead money and trading away entire drafts for the chance at a young QB. With Howie, this whole transition has felt like a speed bump and we are already in the mix as a playoff team on the rise just judging the talent on the team. We have yet to see how far this goes, maybe the ceiling for this group is too low to go all the way. But what he has pulled off so far in terms of positive change – no other GM in the league right now operate with this kind of efficiency.

  81. 81 ChoTime said at 1:38 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    He makes splashy, bold trades in a league that historically disfavors them. In some of these trades, the Eagles have seemed to get great value. He’s been able to reconfigure the team unusually rapidly.

    Like Hinkie, I think the unusual nature of his style draws much of the praise. Also like Hinkie, there have been no notable results in the WIN column.

    There’s a case to be made that all he’s done is reshuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic, after he helped steer it into an iceberg.

    If Wentz works out, all will be forgiven. If he doesn’t, he’ll be remembered as a failure.

  82. 82 Tumtum said at 2:23 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Think you are in the silent majority.

  83. 83 ian_no_2 said at 11:41 AM on August 12th, 2017:

    If you are rebuilding, all moves should be evaluated on the basis of long term ceiling and the likelihood of attaining that ceiling. This trade would not have happened if Patrick Robinson played as if he had a chance to be a serviceable stopgap. If Jernigan has a good year he can get a big contact in free agency. Darby has two years left on his contract. Both have been inconsistent, and that means the likelihood of following a good walk year with more of them after the big contract has been demonstrated to be lower. A draft pick gets you four years and a chance to lock up the player for longer.

    There are few, if any, precedents for teams that rebuild without relying on the draft. The Broncos had a few big years assembling a roster around Peyton Manning through free agency and trades. The perennial Lombardi trophies have their own story of their draft, whether it’s the number of players in New England and Green Bay or the quality of Seattle’s. Buffalo is doing what a rebuilding team does. The Eagles front office has managed to get fan approval by lowering the perceived value of draft picks and then trading them to fill holes in the roster not filled by free agency and lower-expenditure reclamation projects.

  84. 84 kajomo said at 12:24 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I completely disagree with your idea that Jernigan and Darby are reclamation projects that are unlikely to hit their ceiling.

    Balt has had salary cap issues since they extended Flacco. With so much money going to their NT they realized they would not be able to re-sign TJ due to the big contract he would demand.

    Darby was a casualty of a new regimen in Buffalo. They are, as you say rebuilding, and SM seems to prefer some more length on his CBs.

    Both of these players seem to be better fits in Philly than the situations they are leaving. If anything we can expect them to perform better here than in their previous stops.

    Additionally HR has made these moves (and the Wentz move) without leaving the cupboard bare of draft picks. We are still in position to continue to improve this team through the draft. My money is also on a trade down in round 1 next year

  85. 85 Dave said at 12:27 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I agree completely.

    Darby is at his best in man coverage, not zone which SM wants to employ.

    Jernigan is at his best attacking, not playing 2-gap like he was in Baltimore.

  86. 86 ian_no_2 said at 1:43 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    You guys argue fairly well like lawyers for a client which is why the question of one or two years rather than four is not considered and you create excuses for the bad performance of Jernigan and Darby. If the players had longer contracts, then trading for them after down years may be smart.

  87. 87 Ankerstjernen said at 1:57 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Obviously these moves can turn out to be bad. We will see. In this regard, we can both be proven right or wrong.

    The point I was trying to make is that Howie at the very least seems extraordinarily efficient at getting a hold of the players that he and the scouts think will improve. And without depleting the teams resources. He must be one of the best cap guys out there and sure to be the most adept at figuring out soft spots in the trade market. The question with him was always talent evaluation, but this is where coaches, scouts and schemes play a larger role.

  88. 88 Dave said at 1:59 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Jernigan never had a bad year. Not sure why you think he did.

  89. 89 ian_no_2 said at 2:53 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Saw his snap count go down from 2/3 in the first half to 1/2 in the second. Tells press “β€œI feel like last year I came up a little bit short.” After you cut someone’s playing time before a walk year they get a team picked widely for last place to trade up for him. Did you not know this? Your argument seems to hinge on pretending this never happened.

  90. 90 Dave said at 4:44 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Let’s look at the rest of the quote…”I feel like I had a good year, but to my standards, I don’t think it was enough.”

    Did you not know this? Your argument seems to hinge on half a quote.

  91. 91 ian_no_2 said at 7:00 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    His standards and feelings don’t match. Does Schwartz have a drill for that?

  92. 92 ian_no_2 said at 8:13 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    + his playing time. Your assessment of his performance isn’t shared by the player and his coaches, but that’s not worthy of mention to you.

  93. 93 kajomo said at 2:15 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    There is not doubt that trading for players with only 1-2 years left on their contracts is not the best long term strategy for building a roster due to the stress it places on the salary cap. However, if used wisely and strategically it can be a way to add more talented players than that pick would have likely landed. Players’ value depreciates the further they get into their rookie contracts and our trades reflect that. Again we still have plenty of flexibility to continue building our team primarily through the draft.

    You just seem to be misinformed that TJ and RD are declining players coming off bad years. They are ascending players coming to what appears to be a better fit.

  94. 94 ian_no_2 said at 2:56 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    “Players’ value depreciates the further they get into their rookie contracts and our trades reflect that.” What the Eagles traded for one year of Jernigan and two years of Darby was around where they were originally picked for a four year contract.

  95. 95 kajomo said at 3:26 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    You are just flat out wrong.

    We traded down in round 3 for TJ. That is a difference of maybe 4th round value. We also didn’t pay Bennie Logan so saved money in 2017 with this move.

    We gave up more for Darby because he has 2 years left on his deal, but it still falls short of the 2nd round pick used to draft him. If you don’t think there is a big difference in those draft slots do some research. The likelihood of finding g good players falls drastically each round.

    You are also ignoring the fact that draft picks do not guarantee you will get a quality NFL player. We traded for proven commodities. That has to be counted into the equation.

  96. 96 ian_no_2 said at 3:38 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    “around where they were originally picked” + you get two years rather than four and one year rather than four. If you don’t think you can draft well you might as well throw in the towel at being anything but a team that makes the Cowboys and Giants sweat a little.

  97. 97 Dave said at 12:26 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Jernigan has been consistent, just under-utilized in a 2-gap system. He was getting paid whether he stayed in Baltimore for his 4th year or not.

    Robinson has been a disappointment as a former 1st round pick starting only 49 games over 7 seasons playing for 3 teams. It was highly unlikely he was going to be serviceable.

    Howie is trading for young players with high upside, not over-the-hill vets.

    New England has traded many times and gave up draft picks. Considering they have been a contender for the past 15+ years, I’d say the precedent has been set.

  98. 98 ian_no_2 said at 1:40 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    The Patriots trade picks for players who can make them a Lombardi contender that year. Even so, they are among the league leaders in starters acquired through the draft. They also make trades like Seymour for a first, which turned into Nate Solder and Dont’a Hightower through the draft. The long term reclamation projects are guys they pick up off the waiver wire.

  99. 99 Dave said at 2:00 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    “Even so, they are among the league leaders in starters acquired through the draft.”


  100. 100 ian_no_2 said at 2:46 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    here’s an article from last year saying they were 4th best


  101. 101 Dave said at 4:49 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    What do all the top 10 teams have in common…a franchise QB (Kaep appeared to be with Jim Harbaugh accounting for most of their win % in the past 6 years).

    Having a franchise QB changes everything a team does because their high draft picks don’t get used in QBs with a high bust rate.

  102. 102 ian_no_2 said at 6:15 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Of those ten teams, only the Ravens traded up for their QB (to the late 1st round).

    All of them had an 86.5 rating up to or during their 25yo season. Brees is the only to not reach that by his 24yo season despite starting (Wentz’ age last year, when he was 79.3).

    Those ten QBs at 24, + Wentz:

    Wilson 102.4
    P. Manning 94.7
    Flacco 88.9
    Luck 87.0
    Brady 86.5 (first year starting)
    Ryan 80.9 (after 87.7 the previous year)
    Wentz 79.3 (at 24)
    Roethlisberger 75.4 (after 98.1 and 98.6 the previous two years)
    Brees 67.3 (104.8 at 25)

    Kaepernick (5 attempts, then 98.3 as starter at 25)
    Rodgers (28 attempts, then 93.8 as starter at 25)

  103. 103 ian_no_2 said at 11:49 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Put Colts ahead of Bengals on that chart.. Dalton was 80.4 (Pro Bowl) as a 24yo rookie and 87.4 at 25.

  104. 104 ChoTime said at 1:35 PM on August 12th, 2017:


    You get a QB and then there are several ways to get better. The common denominator between NE, GB, and SEA is not their drafting but the fact they have franchise QBs. We might have one.

    Of course draft picks are important resources, and the Eagles have been nothing better than mediocre at their picking (one reason they have been a mediocre team).

    Blowing things up is not the only way to build a team. Lots of crappy teams pick from the top of the draft all the time and never get any better, despite getting the best players. Obviously the FO wants to win some games on the way to the inevitable Superbowl march. I am not fully on board with the 1-year deal thing, but it’s not an objectively wrong strategy. It’s a balancing act.

    The results will tell.

  105. 105 ian_no_2 said at 1:39 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    This illustrates perfectly the mentality I’m describing. “nothing better than mediocre at their picking” “I’m not fully on board with the one year thing” “inevitable Super Bowl march.” “might” have franchise QB. You do have a potentially better than average QB who lacks the supporting cast and is under too much pressure. You have to pick well to make the Super Bowl.

  106. 106 ChoTime said at 1:52 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Mentality? What’s your point?

  107. 107 ian_no_2 said at 3:06 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    The last sentence of my original post.

  108. 108 ChoTime said at 3:49 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Okay. It’s not exactly controversial, though?

  109. 109 ian_no_2 said at 4:03 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    You’re being a good Philly fan.

  110. 110 ChoTime said at 3:21 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    Ok. I hope you got whatever you were looking for out of this.

  111. 111 Tumtum said at 2:12 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    You have to draft well to win the Superbowl, need to research this.

  112. 112 ChoTime said at 2:18 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I found this article by an analyst employed by an NFL team with some interesting thoughts (and charts) about drafting.


  113. 113 Tumtum said at 2:19 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    The Front Office is running a business, not a team. Going 0-17 is bad for business. I also hope you know that the pats have their iasues with the draft just like everyone else. FA is why they won the last 3. They sell vets on taking no money to win and it works. Sorry, no one else has that pull. The Eagles used to..no more.

  114. 114 ian_no_2 said at 3:05 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Agree with the first part: if you have awful CBs rather than middling CBs it’s a long 16 games. That’s what I think this trade is about. However, it’s another nail in the coffin of the future.

    Last year the Pats had 12 starters from the draft and 27 members of the roster.

  115. 115 ian_no_2 said at 3:18 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    + we’re focusing on the Pats because of the teams I mentioned (and the contenders I didn’t mention) that’s the example that best suits the cherry picking you guys are doing, except it’s a case of using the draft well and trading picks, signing FAs that help you win the postseason that year.

  116. 116 Tumtum said at 6:30 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I personally think we over paid, but to call it a nail ING coffin is an over reaction. If the dude starts here for 10 years, I think the price is fine.

  117. 117 BobSmith77 said at 2:04 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    A few things this trade tells me:

    – It is ‘playoffs or bust’ this season. Roseman hadn’t come out with any public expectations on the upcoming season but the later offseason moves including the Blount signing and this trade indicate Roseman wants and thinks this team can make the playoffs. Maybe even win the NFC East and get a home playoff game for the first time since 2013.

    It wouldn’t be surprisingly if Roseman is feeling a bit of heat from Lurie too. Last year was a rebuilding year even if the Eagles wouldn’t publicly use that word. This season marks 10 seasons since the Eagles last won a playoff game (2008). Signing some of the veteran short term upgrades to make the playoffs reminds me of what Snyder used to do with the Flyers with mixed results. Lurie must be itching to win a home playoff game again and tired of seeing the Eagles home annually in January.

    Pederson isn’t going to get fired at the end if this season if they don’t make the playoffs but I can’t him getting beyond next season either if they don’t.

    – Schwartz continues to exert a lot of influence on personnel moves. From all of the things I have read on Darby, he seems much more to the temperance and skill set of what Schwartz wants in a CB. I get the sense Schwartz told Roseman that the group they had early in camp was insufficient. Schwartz was pretty vocal the first 2 weeks in camp about how his CBs were performing poorly to the beat reporters.

    There is some speculation that the Eagles still might look on the waiver wire for more CB help but I think Schwartz has the guys he wants – Mills and Darby on the outside, Brooks in the slot. I bet Robinson gets cut too when they finalize cuts for the 53-man roster Labor Day weekend.

    Given all the money the Eagles have put into the DL and resources invested in the defense, Schwartz should give them a Top 10 defense on most metrics barring a ton of injuries.

    – Put or shut time for Pederson too. On paper at least, this team addressed every glaring weakness from last year. It is also a deeper team too. Wentz had a full season and offseason to absorb this scheme and work on some of his defencies from last season.

    Coaches and young QBs have tended to take notable jumps in the 2nd full season together. Pederson isn’t likely to get fired unless this team goes 4-12/5-11 but expectations I bet internally now are 10-6 and a playoff appearance this year. Maybe even a NFC East title with 10 or 11 wins.

    It is a reasonable expectation. I see this as a 9-10 win team and one that should make the playoffs baring a ton of injuries.

  118. 118 suthrneagle said at 3:36 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    …and bust is a bit extreme. otherwise

  119. 119 Tumtum said at 7:03 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Not a bad perspective. I personally can’t get any real feel what they will do this year. My boy Carson sure was fun to watch for 30 seconds on Thursday though.

  120. 120 CrackSammich said at 7:56 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I don’t see this is a win now move. Darby is young enough that he can be considered part of the rebuild.

  121. 121 BobSmith77 said at 2:12 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    As for this trade, I like it even with the 3rd pick being tough to give up. This team needed at least one adequate outside CB. Get one hopefully for 2 years as well as a good idea of they should extend him long term. Always better and easier to extend our own players because of the detailed knowledge the team and coaching staff had about a player.

    It places a lot more pressure on Jeffrey to be healthy and command some occasional double teams. Obviously puts pressure on Agholor too but i have little faith he’ll step up and I bet his PT gets usurped by others as the season goes on. Agholor might be better but I see his hands continuing to be a real issue including in tight coverage and the red zone.

  122. 122 BobSmith77 said at 2:19 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Love the talk in Boston about if the Pats can go 17-0 again. Some crazy hubris.

  123. 123 ChoTime said at 2:26 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Back in the 2005ish era, Eagles fans thought we were guaranteed a spot in the playoffs.

  124. 124 RobNE said at 3:26 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    That’s not equivalent.

  125. 125 ChoTime said at 3:48 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    No, but just as deluded, in a way, as the next ten years showed.

  126. 126 kajomo said at 3:29 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I don’t get why people hate the Pats and Brady. I love good football and think Brady is the man. Guy is the best QB in the history of the game in my book and is married to a super model. Haters gonna hate I guess.

    That team is stacked. I don’t think 19-0 is out of the question. Normally a division rival would steal a game or 2 from them. Thai yearbthe Jets and Bills are in tank mode while the Dolphins had to bring Cutler back off his couch.

  127. 127 suthrneagle said at 3:32 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    because he and they blatantly cheated

  128. 128 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:02 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    More than once and those are only the ones we know about.

  129. 129 kajomo said at 4:37 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Fair enough. I still like Brady.

  130. 130 Someguy77 said at 5:00 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Like Brady? I’m mixed. He kind of turned into an elitist asshole and doesn’t seem to have the same rep among Boston fans he once did. Inevitable though with marrying a Super Bowl and being such a vanilla personality

    Brady is the best player in NFL history and if he continues performing at this level for another 2-3 years it won’t be close.

  131. 131 Rob Jarratt said at 4:55 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    It’s a really tired narrative, eagle from the south. They still have to play the game and execute. So, in your world, they have cheated at least four times in over a decade in order to win Super Bowls. Hmmm.

  132. 132 suthrneagle said at 5:24 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    tapes of evidence were admittedly were destroyed,by the commissioner….proven eaves dropping of opponents locker rooms…broken communications of opponents during games…etc…is it really necessary to continue your defense of admitted cheaters?

  133. 133 RobNE said at 8:47 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    There’s space on the spectrum between they cheated and all of their wins would have never happened.

  134. 134 Jernst said at 3:28 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    They’d be a great team without the cheating. That’s the part that’s infuriating. But, they’ve been CAUGHT cheating multiple times. I doubt they’ve been caught every time they cheat. Watch the second half of that Super Bowl against the birds. After being completely shut down the entire first half, they suddenly came out in the second half and were calling our plays out prior to the snap according to our players and systematically marched down the field for two quick scores, always seemingly calling the perfect blitz beating screen every time we sent anyone. The next year they get caught filming the other teams defensive signals, breaking them down during halftime and calling the perfect plays against the defensive plays they knew they were facing. If you don’t hate a team that pulls that shit, you’re a really tired narrative.

  135. 135 suthrneagle said at 2:39 PM on September 28th, 2017:

    why then was he fined $500,000.00—for not cheating

    sorry it rook 2 months to answer; just now saw your response

  136. 136 Rob Jarratt said at 3:52 PM on September 28th, 2017:

    Wow, that was a long time ago. Scrolling up to the subject of the day, it pains me to recount the Darby trade, but only because he’s injured. Hopefully, he and a gaggle of defensive stalwarts come back to play sooner than later.

    I wasn’t saying he wasn’t find. I was only arguing, in essence, that you still have to execute at the highest level on the field to accomplish what the Pats have done in this century.

    How far south are you? I’m holding up my end of Eagle fandom in Maine.

  137. 137 suthrneagle said at 4:01 PM on September 29th, 2017:

    Sao Paulo ,Sao Paulo;Brasil

  138. 138 Nailed It! said at 3:59 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Fuck Nazis, that is all for today.

  139. 139 GermanEagle said at 4:41 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Thank you.

  140. 140 Sean Stott said at 4:57 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Agree. Shame Antifa terrorist group had to get violent though.

  141. 141 Nailed It! said at 5:02 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Please do not respond to me again.

  142. 142 kajomo said at 6:42 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Now we know where his love of Christian McCaffery really stems from.

  143. 143 Sean Stott said at 8:05 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    The guy that I called would get drafted easily on top ten and half of you thought Philly wouldn’t take him? Lol don’t be so biased by your liberal stupidity.

  144. 144 kajomo said at 9:21 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    It was a joke. Not as big of a joke as your “I have inside sources” bit.

    I have no polical affiliation. I am intelligent enough to know right from wrong. Anyone who celebrates the days of slavery and hates others because of the color of their skin is a down right moron. Can’t believe it’s even still a discussion.

  145. 145 Sean Stott said at 9:23 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Ok well I agree with everything you just said. As an aside, I thought the inside sources thing was very obviously a joke.

  146. 146 Sean Stott said at 7:56 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Shut up whiny baby.

  147. 147 bobeph said at 8:20 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    nailed it is a flamer from east LA, you obama loving flamer, move to the other side of the tracks, you crack, yo

  148. 148 Sean Stott said at 8:21 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Figured he was from Philly, in the 95% Hillary bubble. Guess he was more of a ‘gimme free shit’ kinda guy from LA.

  149. 149 laeagle said at 3:28 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    It’s so funny, being from Philly and living in LA, that nothing you say is based on any objective reality.

    Hold on, I’ve got to go outside. The “free shit” delivery van is here.

  150. 150 Nailed It! said at 5:07 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    A Nazi literally murdered someone in a terrorist attack on US soil
    at a rally for a Confederate memorial and all you can say is Antifa are the terrorists. Get. the. fuck. out. of. here.

  151. 151 Tdoteaglefan said at 6:03 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Exactly, those “people” who want to make excuses for terrorist cowards like that need to be wiped off of this earth

  152. 152 BlindChow said at 9:58 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    So this is the kind of person who types “First” in a comment section. Color me surprised.

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  154. 154 laeagle said at 3:27 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    I want to create 100 accounts to add to your upvotes.

  155. 155 Nailed It! said at 6:42 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    edit: 3 people were killed.

  156. 156 CrackSammich said at 7:12 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Irresponsible reporting: 1 person was killed. The other 2 dead were in a VA State Police Helicopter crash that was covering the event, but it’s really, really unlikely the protesters shot it down or something like that.

  157. 157 SteveH said at 9:53 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Yes, CNN continuing to disappoint as a centrist outlet. Being a journo major it’s very discouraging to have a deeper understanding of why these organizations do what they do.

  158. 158 CrackSammich said at 10:13 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I work in an operations center that has all of the news networks on at one time (13 TVs on in front of me). Fox is saying 3 dead, 15 injured. MSNBC is saying 1 dead, 35 injured. I think CNN was reporting 3 dead, but then clarified where each died. This idea that one, and only one of the networks is the sensational one is ridiculous. That said, Fox is consistently the worst with CNN trying hard to outdo them and never quite getting there, and MSNBC only looking good by comparison to the shit show going on on the other two. For example, Rachel Maddow is a very biased commentator for MSNBC, but when compared to the standard guests on the other two networks looks positively neutral.

  159. 159 SteveH said at 10:34 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I hope I didn’t insinuate that I thought that any network is “better” than any of the other networks. It is very entertaining to watch simultaneous coverage on the different networks.

  160. 160 RobNE said at 8:51 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Ok this UVa grad is blocking you. Bye.

  161. 161 Sean Stott said at 9:08 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    For what? Free speech is a right of every American whether you agree or not. Antifa incited the violence. But block me all you want, sorry for my wrongthink.

  162. 162 A_T_G said at 9:38 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Free speech is a right. Choosing not to listen to willfully biased rhetoric does not violate your right.

    Killing someone with your car does violate their rights, FYI.

  163. 163 RobNE said at 9:53 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    You are blaming these people for ramming themselves into this moving car.?


  164. 164 laeagle said at 3:24 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    Seriously. Why in the hell did that have to happen in Charlottesville? What a sad day, and made sadder by an unnecessarily wishy-washy response.

  165. 165 Julescat said at 1:44 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    interesting to see what the official inquiry says about that.

  166. 166 Bert's Bells said at 9:51 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I guess you’re Profa.

  167. 167 Guy Media said at 11:43 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    Wow! That’s good.

  168. 168 laeagle said at 3:23 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    Call me disappointedly unsurprised you’d take that stance.

  169. 169 jaws80 said at 1:57 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    Sean Stott, that is a pretty extreme response. A response a nazi sympathizer would make. If you are a nazi sympathizer, (a very, very un-American, un-Patriotic thing to be), I wonder why you hate America so much, why you spit in the face of the veterans who fought defeating Nazis?. If you are a Nazi, if you do your little nazi salute to pictures of Hitler in your bedroom, then you know who you are, and you know your “Shame Antifa terrorist…” statement is the least extreme response you wanted to make on this board. If you want to be a nazi, then go to stormfront and be a nazi. If you just want to be an asshole go post on a cowboy board and be a cowboy fan.

    I suspect you are not a nazi, so i am worried that you do not even know that your statement, made in defense of one side of a political spectrum, defense of conservatives maybe, defense of a president maybe (certainly legitimate things to defend on any board), is actually a defense of nazis and a defense of what nazis and Hitler did.

    Even if you are very right wing (again, a perfectly legitimate thing to be), your response as an American to Nailed It! should have been “Fuck Nazis!” If there is one thing that should unite the left and the right, like it did in WW2, is “Fuck Nazis!.”

  170. 170 Julescat said at 3:41 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    George Soros was an actual Nazi sympathizer. now he funds anti-fa

  171. 171 Guy Media said at 12:25 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    Thank you for posting this. I’m not going to join into the nonsense below, but thank you for posting this.

  172. 172 Someguy77 said at 4:49 PM on August 12th, 2017:


    There are some hits and misses here but this is absolute gold (and it was still up as two weeks ago when I went to a Phils’ game):


    The Eagles have these giant wall by pictures at the Club Level of the car Linc with words like β€œPassion” and a picture of a fan, β€œIntensity”and an image of Brian Westbrook. When Chip Kelly was fired from the Eagles last summer, the Eagles removed his picture under the title β€œPreparation” and replaced him with a random man grilling chicken. You can see how it used to be a big picture to the right They never put Doug Peterson on the wall. The Inspirational Chicken Man remains.


  173. 173 Joe Lawrence said at 5:53 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    To be fair, chicken man’s recipe card is about 4x as complicated as Chip’s gameday play sheet. I also heard that the marinade is at least 48 hours. Chip just hit the Xerox machine on Sunday morning and headed out.

  174. 174 BobSmith77 said at 6:12 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Unlike Inspirarional Chicken Man who believes you need special seasoning to make his recipes work, Kelly believes any old common condiment will do for his recipes.

  175. 175 Tumtum said at 6:39 PM on August 12th, 2017:


  176. 176 SteveH said at 7:09 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I feel like Lurie hated Kelly far more than he could ever like any other coach, so I think the removal of Kelly was out of spite. I can see him ordering his minions:

    “Scrape all traces of Kelly’s presence from this place.”

    and then hissing and stroking a cat or something, because in my head Lurie is like a bond villain when he’s angry.

  177. 177 Bert's Bells said at 9:51 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Whole article is solidly hilarious.

  178. 178 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:13 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    Oh cool. The 2017 versions are out. These are highly entertaining. Be sure to read the ones for our NFC East rivals.

  179. 179 BobSmith77 said at 6:15 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Depends on how far Wentz progresses. He was mediocre at best last year and need him to take a notable jump this year for them to make the playoffs (let alone make noise).

  180. 180 BlindChow said at 7:03 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Hey, did you ever Game Pass working? I still can’t get the videos to start

    on my desktop (but the app works on my phone…).

  181. 181 Ryan Rambo said at 9:17 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I watched it Thursday on my laptop.

  182. 182 Ryan Rambo said at 9:22 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Found this online…..hope it helps brotha!!


  183. 183 BlindChow said at 9:55 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Ah, thanks, but I saw those and tried the suggestions, without luck. :/

    I did all kinds of experiments with my antivirus, firewall, different browsers, etc… I even meet all the system requirements. I may have to contact them directly.

  184. 184 GermanEagle said at 5:55 PM on August 13th, 2017:


    Which app are you using on your phone? The gamepass app is not longer supported in the App Store??

  185. 185 BlindChow said at 11:58 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    I’m using NFL Mobile on Android. Didn’t have any problems. Just choose “Games” or “Game Pass” from the menu.

    I did discover one bizarre thing on desktop today. Game Pass worked just fine using the in-game Steam web browser. Not sure how familiar you are with Steam (a computer game download service), but when you run a game you’ve purchased through Steam, you can open up a browser to access the internet. I went to the NFL website and was able to watch all the games just fine.

    I assume it works with free games as well, so theoretically you could download Steam, run it, download a free game, start it up, open the browser, and watch all the Eagles games you want. Ha.

    But apparently it’s using an old version of the Chrome browser (not sure which version), so if you can find an older version of Chrome somewhere, perhaps that will work just as well…?

  186. 186 Flyin said at 9:38 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    It seems if I make a comment at this hour… Tommy will post a new post within minutes. Reminding me of the EMB (Eagles Message Board) of the thread killers (TKs). There were other factions of course. Just curious if anybody here remembers those times…

  187. 187 scratcherk said at 9:45 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I remember TATErs.

  188. 188 Flyin said at 9:48 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Taters were often abused by WU.

  189. 189 Flyin said at 9:50 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    GE99 (Tommy) was one of the first to get utmost respect.

  190. 190 ChoTime said at 3:18 AM on August 13th, 2017:


  191. 191 Kevin K said at 9:47 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Tommy, I don’t do heroin, because I’m smarter than that. But you are my first bookmark every day, because you are pretty much the same effect I imagine it to be. The harsh reality of a cruel world melts into a fuzzy halo of OK-ness. You’re way too optimistic, and very likely 100% wrong, but for now, you make it all go away. Bless you, sir.

  192. 192 SteveH said at 10:02 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Hehe, I love the contrast between I love your stuff and reading this gives me the warm and fuzzies, and you are probably 100% wrong.

    Love me some Eagles content from Tommy though. I also read almost every day and feel grateful that Tommy has enhanced my understanding of football and provides a place that discusses the game in a slightly more rational way than the average forum.

  193. 193 Flyin said at 10:09 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Too optimistic because he puts intelligence thoughts and opinions about players based on his seasoned seasons following the Eagles? The intelligent person evaluates from the mass of plays unseen by the average fan and forms their own opinion on the collection of accumulated plays.

  194. 194 daveH said at 11:01 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    I tell every philly person i know about this place

  195. 195 Ryan Rambo said at 10:14 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Where the heck is GEAGLE at?

  196. 196 Flyin said at 10:17 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Have you tried contacting Prophet?

  197. 197 Ryan Rambo said at 10:28 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    No sir lol. But he’s probably busy with work. Hope all is well with him.

  198. 198 Bert's Bells said at 10:21 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Driving the POpemobile to Buffalo?

  199. 199 Tumtum said at 11:12 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Love him or hate him, there has been less to discuss the last month or ai without him.

  200. 200 ChoTime said at 1:42 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    Certainly less words typed.

  201. 201 CrackSammich said at 10:29 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    So if we field Darby, Jones, and Brooks as our CBs next year, all of our CBs will finally have dreads.

  202. 202 daveH said at 11:00 PM on August 12th, 2017:

    Real dreads or extensions ?? ??

  203. 203 Guy Media said at 11:42 AM on August 13th, 2017:

    I don’t believe you’re allowed to ask that.

  204. 204 daveH said at 3:08 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    Fundamental prison etiquette.
    ..or else, one just knows

  205. 205 Insomniac said at 12:54 PM on August 13th, 2017:

    Our version of the no fly zone, the dread zone.

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  207. 207 Obama's son said at 9:26 PM on August 13th, 2017:


  208. 208 Obama's son said at 4:20 PM on August 14th, 2017: