Updating the OL Situation

Posted: August 21st, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 150 Comments »

The Eagles made an interesting move on Monday.

Tobin had played both LT and RT this preseason. He’s played various positions in his NFL career. He’s not a guy you want as a full-time starter, but Tobin has value as a backup and spot starter.

That’s pretty good value. Seattle will likely have a pick late in the round, but you can still find quality players in the 5th round.

Let’s look at the Eagles OL as I see it now.

LT Jason Peters ………. Dillon Gordon
LG Isaac Seumalo …… Chance Warmack
C Jason Kelce ………… Stefen Wisniewski
RG Brandon Brooks … Dallas Thomas
RT Lane Johnson …… Halapoulivaati Vaitai

Out: Taylor Hart, Darrell Greene, Victor Salako, Aaron Neary, Tyler Orlosky, Josh Andrews

The Eagles want Big V to be the swing tackle, the guy to backup both Peters and Johnson during games. If someone is out for an extended time, the team would have to decide the best course of action.

I have Thomas making the team in this scenario. That’s far from a lock. He’s played better than I expected, but hasn’t wowed anyone. Andrews is the last remaining Eagle from the 1960 title team, or at least it seems like that. He’s been hurt this summer and hasn’t gotten substantially better in the past few years. The coaches tend to love him so that gives Andrews a chance. Plus he can play G or C.

Salako isn’t good enough for OT in the NFL, but they could try him at OG and see what he does. Orlosky has potential and could play C or G. He could win a job in the next 2 weeks, but it won’t be easy.

The Eagles could also go with just 9 OL and then carry some of those guys on the practice squad.

Dealing Tobin was smart. He was going to leave as a free agent after the season if he played here this year. You get something for him now from a team that was desperate for OL help. The Eagles have good starters and like several of their backups.

*****

Practice Notes from MIA vs PHI

Fran Duffy

Jimmy Bama

Jeff McLane

Brandon Lee Gowton

Sounds like Wentz had a strong day of practice. And that Alshon Jeffery dude is okay too.

Brandon Graham and Jordan Hicks both suffered injuries on Monday. Sounds like nothing too serious.

Joe Walker is playing MLB with Hicks out. That could be a good thing. The Eagles need to figure out if they’re comfortable with Walker as the backup MLB or if he’s still a project because he’s coming off an ACL and has no experience.

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  • Howie Littlefinger

    I guess I like this. I mean if Tobin is starting we are probably losing anyways so……..

    Can we trade Blount for a 2nd?lol

    • Guy Media

      Depends what you’ve rolled into your Blount.

    • Ark87

      You would need to add a draft pick bridge the value gap. I’d say a 2nd should square it.

  • philllyfanatic

    Great move. We need more ammo for next year. The cost of moving up from 32 to Saquon Barkley is gonna be really expensive. In Howie we trust!

  • CrackSammich

    I’m supppper bored at work, so I broke down Sturgis’s numbers based on the game log and Kemspki’s practice notes and compared them to the 2016 league average(Source: http://settingedge.com/40pluskicks)

    Granted, it’s practice, and summer, but he’s skirting just above league average. I don’t think Sturgis will be the reason we lose games this year.

    http://imgur.com/7YGfMjL

    • CrackSammich

      lol @ me not realizing the spell check lines carried over.

      • DrGeniusPhD

        add to dictionary

        • A_T_G

          I wouldn’t trust Kempski in my dictionary. Ignoring might be a better course of action.

    • Anders

      Only on an Eagles blog will you find guys breaking down practice FG by distance and then comparing em to league average

      • Buge Halls

        One of many reasons why the “block” feature is awesome!

      • Dragon_Eagle

        One of the many reasons we love it here. Excellent stuff.

    • Guy Media

      Sturgis always comes off worse in my mind than his numbers show for the last two years because he missed easy kicks early in both of his seasons here. He’s really been more than good enough however.

    • ChoTime

      Well done, I posted this a day or two ago and it got lost in the shuffle:

      “His [Sturguis’] performance has not really varied that much [in response to a poster’s contention that his preseason performance was worrying, and that he “improved” from when he was a Dolphin]. When he kicked 76% as a rookie, as opposed to 85% last year, he missed a total of **two more** field goals.
      He’s improved every season in terms of overall %.
      Kickers do not get a good enough sample size to really judge how good they are. The cycling through them is more like shuffling the decks on the Titanic than anything worthwhile.
      Sturgis attempted 41 FGs last year. Compare the NBA, where Steph Curry attempted 1443 FGs, and 362 FTs.
      Sample size is why we know Steph is a great shooter, and why we judge placekickers superstitiously, when they happen to hit on or miss important shots which are essentially random.”

    • A_T_G

      I love this place so much.

      Nice work. Add in the handicap of using a backup holder and I think we can put our fears to rest.

      • CrackSammich

        It was a 48 yarder that he missed in game. Granted, it’s a kick that an NFL player needs to make, it’s not exactly a chip shot.

    • Sb2bowl

      You spelled “sooooooopppppper” incorrectly. Otherwise, good work.

  • Mitchell

    Next move will be trading the newly acquired 5th and a 6th to move uo into the 4th round. My philosophy would be to dump as many 5th,6th and 7th rounders to just keep moving up. You’re selecting from a larger talent pool. Let the dredge fight over the low rounders.

    • Ray888

      Plus with a better over-all talent level now, it gets harder for lower level draft picks & UDFA’s to make the team. Fewer glaring needs points to adding more quality & less quantity.

  • GermanEagle

    Eagles will win the super bowl. Yes I’m drunk. But who cares?!

  • Greg Tulino

    Anyone concerned with the fact that our vaunted D line got gashed today in the run game in today’s joint practices? Also read that Jay Cutler carved up our secondary in red zone drills today. Hopefully just one bad practice for the defense. Priority #1 is always stop the run!

    • Anders

      You know that majority of drills favor the offense right? The only drill that does not favor the offense is 1v1 at DLvsOL.

      In a run blocking drill, the Eagles aint going to do anything to counter double teams, on how to re-direct the runner with a blitz etc. So it means its pretty much 6 vs 4 and the LBs hope to fill a single gap.

    • CrackSammich

      I’m not sure where you’re getting this info. Duffy’s practice notes read like a love letter to the D line, and the BGN collection of tweets says we had a pretty good showing against their passing game. I started to copy and paste examples, but it was almost the entire articles.

      • Greg Tulino
        • D3FB

          Well there’s your first mistake

          • Sb2bowl

            ESP and ESPN both suck; whenever I see those letters, I automatically assume it’s going to blow and I look elsewhere.

      • Greg Tulino

        ESP noted- “While Wentz was busy carving up the Dolphins’ secondary, the Eagles’ run defense was busy getting almost as equally dominated on the other side of the field.
        The Dolphins ran the the ball at will against the Eagles, with the Miami offensive line creating massive holes throughout the 11-on-11 team drills. Although the teams were not tackling to the ground, it didn’t seem like the ability to do so would have made much of a difference.
        For a team that is going to live and die with their defensive line this season, seeing them struggle on Monday was not a good sign. “

        • kajomo

          No Graham or Hicks today, so no i’m not worried

        • phillychuck

          It’s ESP, read it like opposite world.

    • Guy Media

      No, it’s practice.

    • Buge Halls

      Anybody concerned that you’re that concerned about a freaking practice?

      • or____

        I am. And subjective second hand reports of practice none the less.

      • Stephen E.

        We talkin’ ’bout PRACTICE. Not even a game.

  • Guy Media

    “Dealing Tobin was smart. He was going to leave as a free agent after the season if he played here this year.”

    Exactly. I cannot stomach losing UFAs for nothing if we can trade them before their FA year starts for something.

  • Guy Media

    So with a 1, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, and a 6 in next year’s draft…………………..can Kendricks plus some combination of 4s and 5s get us a 2 or a 3?

    Would y’all do Kendricks and a 4 for a 3?

    • kajomo

      I think a trade down in round 1 may be a better option. Trade down a few slots to pick up a lye 3rd. You can then use some of the other picks to move up in round 3 for a targeted player.

      • or____

        Do both maybe

    • phillychuck

      Kendricks and a 4 should get a second rounder. We underestimate how good Kendricks is b/c the scheme doesn’t really fit him and takes him off the field a lot of the time.

      • Guy Media

        He takes himself off of the field a lot of the time as well, so that might reduce his value.

  • Guy Media

    Without having guys I wanted stepping up to force their way onto the roster (Green / Orlosky), I’m ok with keeping 9 on the 53.

  • Buge Halls

    Reports I read said Tobin likely wouldn’t make the team any way, so it’s nice to get some value for him instead of just letting him walk.

  • Gary Barnes

    They finally moved on from Tobin, about time. He likely was not making the roster anyway so getting something for him is good.

    Hicks banged up again? Wow, he continues to worry me. We need Walker or some other LB to make a strong claim to that backup role and be ready.

    Pats have such a weak division and have for so freaking long. Bills are rebuilding for the 34th time this decade, Jets continue to blow and the Dolphins are mediocre. Pretty nice to pad a record with 4 or 5 easy wins.

  • DJH

    This won’t be for everyone but I post it here for those who might be interested. An amateur analyst takes a look at Wentz’s first year and comes away very unimpressed. He concludes that Wentz, at least his first year, showed no signs that he could be a good, let alone great, QB.

    He seems to have based that conclusion solely off of negative plays based on the context of Pederson’s “simple” scheme. That is, he doesn’t highlight positive plays and decision making. I’m not sure if basing conclusion just off of negative plays is solid analysis, but perhaps valid conclusions could be drawn this way.

    In any case, it’s a sobering read. Take it for what it’s worth.

    http://presnapreads.com/2017/08/22/carson-wentz-blake-bortles/

    • Anders

      That guy thought Carson Wentz should have been UDFA in last years draft and have 99% of Eagles twitter blocked because we didnt agree with him.
      This is the same guy who think Sam Bradford is going to be MVP and Tannenhill is just this ” ” close to a break out year

      • DJH

        I see. However I would like to see a different analyst address the author’s concerns about Wentz’ arm strength and accuracy. I wasn’t under the impression either of those were concerns, especially the first. I’m hearing good things about both from eagles beat writers this preseason.

        I don’t anticipate Wentz’ developing into the next Rodgers. I’ve always thought of his ceiling as a better Flacco. Is that fair? Is there a better comp?

        We need Wentz to run a west coast offense which I think he can do. And we’ll have a stout, aggressive defense. He’s not gonna be a Brady, Rodgers, Luck, or Brees.

        • Anders

          There is zero arm strength concerns with Wentz.

          Wentz will have his accuracy problems from time to time where he will sail a pass.

          • Ark87

            yeah the only time I really saw Kempski say something that seemed super crazy and click baity is when he said he was hearing the Eagles don’t like Desean Jackson anymore, coming off a career year. He acknowledged it’s nuts and dumb, but seriously, he’s hearing it, he insisted. And he was right.

        • Tumtum

          All you need to do is watch the touchdown pass from week 1 to know arm strength is not an issue. He shrugs an unblocked blitzer (pretty easily) and barely steps up and just flicks the ball 20 yards down field on a dime.

          Sure not the best display, but guys with questionable arms don’t do that. Just the most recent thing I have seen that counters arm strength concerns.

        • ColorSgt

          Its a flawed analysis if he only looked at negative plays. Guess what, you get a negative conclusion. No need to address garbage.

      • Dave

        His writing style is modeled to stand out against the grain and generate page clicks, à la Kempski. Not my cup of tea, but others may like it.

        It’s a shame he didn’t at least get a minor in statistics to go with his journalism degree. Cherry-picking bad plays/stats is about as useless as cherry-picking good plays/stays.

        • Anders

          How is Cian in anyway the same as Kempski?

          Kempski is never about page clicks. He draws stick figures for god sake

          • Gary Barnes

            Every reporter or blogger are aware of and concerned about page clicks since traffic is one of the main ways to evaluate them and raise their profile. Part of Kempski’s schtick to drive traffic are the stick figures and other forms of humor etc.

          • Anders

            Still, its not like he is Stephen A Smith just going for reactions or Cataldi.

            Also while people get mad at Jimmy for reporting things he hear, he has been pretty good so far. Remember how mad people got after he suggest Jackson might get cut? He even said there was a great chance Matthews would get traded and the same with Kendricks (which has been reported that the Eagles did in fact try to trade him)

          • Gary Barnes

            Agreed, Kempski is a lot more subtle and grounded than the shock jocks like Cataldi and Smith. I think humor is a good way to attract readers.

            Just wanted it to be clear that traffic/clicks are a reality for anyone who has ambitions for staying employed, getting more work and writing for larger audiences on bigger media platforms.

          • Ark87

            he has an irreverence towards football that I think people find refreshing. He’s the exact opposite of blowhards like Cataldi and Smith, like you said. It’s like, Ertz can’t block, that’s not outrageous, that’s hilarious. He’s not self-serious at all. Kempski will tell you in the first line that he’s writing a particular story to get dem clicks (particularly when he makes any list or ranking or prediction, those things are click magnets). Like hey, it’s super dumb to make predictions in February, but clicks. Here goes.

            Tommy takes football very seriously, and we love him for it, because he’s classy about it. And the work he puts into it shows.

            Which is why helmet to helmet must come back, dammit.

          • Tumtum

            Was that the podcast?

          • Ark87

            Yeah, did you listen to it? It got me through the end of the Reid era

          • Gary Barnes

            Agreed

          • Dave

            I don’t dislike or get mad at Jimmy.

            I get it that lots of people like his humor and his throw-shit-against-the-wall-and-take-credit-when-stuff-sticks analysis.

            Like Gary said, he has a schtick, and it sets him apart from all the other writers.

          • Bert’s Bells

            Jimmy has a better than average track record, it seems.

            The last few offseasons he’s posted a comic of what the Eagles will do, and he hits on like 80% of it. And some of his “predictions” aren’t layups either.

          • D3FB

            Jimmy is well sourced.

          • RobNE

            Jimmy likes Elaine

          • D3FB

            ??

          • sonofdman

            Seinfeld reference.

          • D3FB

            Never watched. Thanks.

          • Dave

            Are you inferring his Nostradamus predictions/reading of the tea leaves are based on what sources are telling him is going to happen? If so, what would be the purpose of this tactic by the source?

          • D3FB

            You really need me to explain how sources work?

          • Dave

            I’m not being sarcastic or smart here, I truly would like to know. Is this what’s being taught in journalism programs today, not citing information as from a source, instead passing if off as your own intuition? I always thought journalist were taught to cite their sources (named or unnamed).

          • Eagle Talon

            That’s a great question. Been waiting for the answer for a few hours now.

          • D3FB

            see above

          • D3FB

            It’s a common practice especially in sports journalism if you’ve got something on background, or from multiple non traditional sources to pass it off as one’s own musings or reading tea leaves.

            It’s not always the case but often times well connected reporters have been known to use the format.

          • Dave

            Thanks, that’s real interesting. It just seems downright unethical not to just cite an “anonymous source”.

          • D3FB

            It’s sports. Not state secrets. It’s also how background works.

            This is one of those things where if a guy is actually acting unethically they wont get talked to anymore.

            These things serve the teams interest too.

            If you want to shop a player, but don’t want to be the one who calls and therefore get low balled, you let a local beat know, you tell him that it can’t be a sourced report. He writes it up as musings and people call you.

            I can’t find it but a couple weeks ago one NFL GM said something along the lines of “of course, when a guys name is in the paper as being available you always call just to do your due diligence”

            This is how things work.

            There’s also the case of having heard something from a players cousin, the gate guy at the practice facility, another player on the team, and half a dozen others all at the same time. You can’t print that as a report but there’s enough there to say something, especially if you pass it off as speculation

          • Dave

            Would this be similar to Silva’s recent Tweet that Shady and Tyrod “should” be on the trading block?

          • D3FB

            It might be. It probably got Buffalo a half a dozen calls. That one felt more like him thinking out loud.

            In general with guys who tend to be well sourced it’s kind of like parsing Spadaro. Alot of times you can read between the lines and he’s saying something. Other times there’s nothing there and you have a wall of pictures and string and your girlfriend has left because “this is a disturbing pattern of behavior”

            Stuff around draft time is generally unreliable. There’s so much smoke and mirrors. Guys will have it from sources they trust. They try their best to discern bullshit from fact, but sometimes they are getting played.

            Also theres an insane amount of stuff out there that doesn’t get reported on.

          • Dave

            This writing style really puts the onus on the reader to figure out was is from a source and what is merely a writer’s opinion.

            Thanks for all the info, it really is enlightening.

          • ColorSgt

            Jimmy always cites his sources. He doesn’t break many stories… Last one was Jordan Hicks’ broken hand. He cited an unnamed source. I don’t see where you are finding any lack of integrity to his journalism.

          • Dave

            Read D3FB’s post.

          • Ankerstjernen

            Journalist here, perhaps I can help. To your question: No, this is not what is being taught at journalism programs today. What is being taught is to keep reporting and editorials/commentary separate and not conflate the two. Needless to say here, and besides the point, but the line between these two forms of content is becoming increasingly thin and blurred, especially in parts of american journalism (like sports and politics, since these topics inspire tribalism and thed to produce different versions of what can be called objective explanations or measures of relevance). As far as reporting goes, when you have unnamed sources giving you information you should be extremely wary of reporting it at all – this is particularly true if the sources have an invested/personal interest in getting this information out. In practical terms this means that you will usually never report on information from anonymous sources unless you can cooperate it from named sources of from multiple other, unnamed sources independent of the first one. For what it’s worth I think Jimmy is doing an exceptional job of makign it clear whenever he is reporting on information that he is given by sources. He has touched on these things himself, in the comments section and in the chat where he takes question. Among other things I remember him once explaining that the Desean-story was one he wouldn’t report at first, but then more sources cooperated the same story. He has also mentioned stories that other journalists reported, that he didn’t go with, because he couldn’t cooperate it with his own sources. As others have mentioned, I think Jimmy’s track record is very good in this regard – when he reports something from unnamed sources, he always labels it as such, and he is almost always right. Usually he will have more sources and more information about the same thing than makes it into the article for the readers to see.

          • Dave

            Thanks!

            Why not say something along the lines of, I have heard rumblings that DeSean could be released, or something of similar a manner?

            I just find the writing style deceitful. As a reader, I have no idea now who has inside information and who is merely giving their opinion without having background sources.

            As a scientist who must cite everything, it’s very hard for me to understand passing off information from others as my own.

          • ColorSgt

            Are you still refering to JK? He says that exact thing in his chats when he can’t say something for sure.

          • Dave

            I don’t go to the chats. I read the articles and watch the press conferences. This Site is the only comments section i read

          • ColorSgt

            You are missing out my friend. He just did a chat today. http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-chat-jimmy-kempski-08-23-17/

            People ask all kinds of questions and you get a great feel for what’s really going on. I understand why you were turned off. I’d still argue he isn’t one of those writers that just throws stuff out there.

          • Ankerstjernen

            On this we agree. A reporter should, at the very least, never leave any doubt about wether he is speculating/commenting or actually reporting information that he has accrued. This is the line that I was talking about, that is increasingly being blurred. I don’t however think that Jimmy is a bad example of this.

          • Dave

            His DeSean article is the exact reason I don’t read his work anymore. If he would have just clearly stated that unnamed sources have conveyed to him that DeSean could be cut, there would have been no confusion among readers, especially myself.

            Years ago, I used to read Profootball Weekly’s “The Way We Hear It”. It was background rumblings on players and teams. I always found insightful. Now it seems I’m requires to read between the lines with certain writers. I never know their intent.

            Good stuff. Thanks!

          • Ankerstjernen

            That is too bad. Jimmy is the most plugged in writer we have, I think. And he is delightfully straightforward with his assessments, unlike other writers who are also fans of certain players and clearly biased against others. Jimmy even acknowledges that he is not a sports fan, which I think tends to make his reporting better, less emotional. From my experience with Jimmy, if he reports it as a story, it is because he has solid info on it. Whenever he is just speculating, he states quite clearly that he is guessing and doesn’t have sources. I am very rarely in doubt about which it is with him. But I will grant you that it is not always explicit. Its that blurring I was referring to..

          • ChoTime

            Ever writer speaks to an audience. Jimmy knows his audience. So does SAS.

        • or____

          I upvoted you for the rest of the comment, in spite of the Kempski remark which is way off.

        • ColorSgt

          Agree Kempski goes against the grain and presents his content in a much more informal way than traditional reporting. I personally love it, but can appreciate that its not for everyone. Sometimes his articles are sparse because there isn’t much to discuss about a certain topic, however he simply gives it to you straight. He is rarily wrong and he doesn’t report rumors. He waits until he has solid info. Dude knows his stuff too. There is a reason Tommy links his page more than anyone else.

      • RobNE

        Shah8 wrote it?

        • Someguy77

          Haven’t seen him here in a long time.

    • HawaiianEagle

      In that case, I’ll read it when I’m sober.

    • A Roy

      Think I’ll stick to my lyin’ eyes. I’ll trust 50 years of watching football versus #analysis. Wentz didn’t look perfect last year by any stretch, but for a rookie, I liked the combination of elusiveness, arm strength and decision making he showed. In other words, he looked like a QB. If he takes the expected step up in 2nd year, that and the available tools should put him easily in the upper half of the league and, maybe, top 10. Not a given, but the potential is there.

    • ChoTime

      I don’t think you can make conclusions based on examining the bad plays except verifying that yes, bad plays occurred, and they were his fault. For the same reason that you can’t evaluate a player based on his highlight reel.

      We’d need more context to evaluate him. How did these bad plays compare with the bad plays of young Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, or Tom Brady? Are his more numerous; worse? How much of a pass do we give to him because of his youth and the lack of WRs?

      I can understand why a neutral observer would be down on Wentz. He does not fit the pedigree of a QB draft pick, who typically starts lots of games in a good conference. His numbers are bad, reflecting bad results.

      There were flashes of brilliance, but Cian didn’t see fit to highlight those. But who was more brilliant than Michael Vick, and imagine how disappointed Eagles fan would be if Wentz doesn’t end up better than him?

      At this point, it’s not rational to expect he will. But remember, fan comes from the word “fanatic.”

    • D3FB

      Cian’s a hack. He hated Wentz predraft and has doubled down since then. It could be 2037 and Carson could be making his acceptance speech in Canton and Cian would have a “BUT AIR YARDZ DERP DERP HERES 4 GIFS” article up.

      • sonofdman

        Hopefully, the Eagles get to play in the HOF preseason game in 2037 when Wentz is inducted. It will give Josh Andrews an extra preseason game to impress the coaches that season.

      • Sean Stott

        Out of curiosity, would you still have taken Goff?

      • Guy Media

        Cian’s eventual grave site and my morning dump have an appointment scheduled.

    • holeplug

      apparently dude landed an ESPN gig this summer not sure why he’s still hustling this bad. Stop paying attention to him after he wrote that Oregon QB Vernon Adams should be a 1st round pick couple years back. He went undrafted and is currently a backup QB in the Canadian League. Imagine since Eagles have a huge fan base his anti Wentz hot takes get good traction.

    • ColorSgt

      Proof that if you search long and hard enough on the internet you can find an idiot.

    • Guy Media

      The guy who wrote this, Cian Fahey, will hopefully die of some type of very painful malady.

    • Ark87

      I’m a bit late but Patrick Causey did a fantastic look at Wentz here at igglesblitz. Not afraid to take in the good and bad, and put it all in context, if you haven’t read it:

      http://igglesblitz.com/2017/07/evaluating-importance-consistency/

      please do, it’s the best take on Wentz I’ve read so far.

  • daveH

    Hope they are BOTH PLAYING on Dec 3 !!!
    ..
    Was never a fan of them at all for us. . Wish them the best as dudes, they are living the dream lucky to be pro athletes, but will be psyched to see them run on the field when we play. .. Hope we run em both over.

    • Tumtum

      Tobin and who?

      • daveH

        Oh, Barbre .. yep he didn’t go to the sea-ocks .. where did he go as a Howie scud missile ??
        Oh yeah Broncos ..do we play them? ? Wish Howie had sent him to Raiders..that game will be tough

  • RC5000

    Surprised Tommy doesn’t like Salako. Salako showed potential at left tackle granted it’s vs. 3rd stringers but he might develop. He crushed a small 3rd string DE pushing him to the opposite hash mark right before the Gibson P.I. call and he had a solid block on Marshall’s TD run. He showed he could move his feet well for such a massive guy. Might be Austin Howard type. I think he’s a practice squad candidate though there’s a lot of competition for those 10 spots.

    Per Bowen : Pederson says u don’t make these moves unless you’re comfortable with what you have as reserve OL

    Pederson: next couple weeks big for young OT like Gordon, Hart and Salako.

  • Tumtum

    Orlosky makes the PS no problem, right? We all know Josh Andrews is going to be on this roster opening day, one way or another.

    • or____

      We do?

      • Tumtum

        I guess you couldn’t see my tongue in my cheek.

    • D3FB

      It will be 2042. Robots will rule the world. Josh Andrews will still be showing up to the NovaCare

  • or____

    Eagles wire has a nice tidbit about Dawkins working with Darby after practice. Love it

  • Obama’s son

    Jeffrey, T.Smith and Blount look like FA busts. Smallwood can’t play or stay healthy.

    • bobeph

      your family floated over here on an inner tube

      • Obama’s son

        Don’t get angry because I am right about the Eagles FA.

        • bobeph

          you take man meat in the cheek

          • or____

            Just block him

          • Dude

            Yours is the only the only comment in that chain that isn’t blocked for me lol

          • Guy Media

            x 2

          • Sb2bowl

            Same here

      • Obama’s son

        But I’m right about those 3 FAs so far. There was a reason that CHI let go of Jeffrey despite knowing that they would sign a QB and draft a QB high. Why let him go if he’s good? He’s not anymore. As for T. Smith, Balt let him go to FA because they didn’t see his value after drafting him in the 2nd rd and he was a SF bust. Blount is done, Bill knew that. The reason the Eagles are in this situation is Howie can’t draft.

  • ColorSgt

    No love for Kempski… trolls trolling trolls…. What’s going on here?

  • Dave

    Please tell me it’s true, Sheil is coming back to Philly.

    • Dave
    • D3FB

      Who knows. But he does look pretty Athletic

      • Dave

        More competition for the slot.

        • D3FB

          I’m saying hes more of The Athletic type

          • DJH
          • Guy Media

            Thank you for the link. As I’m already subscribing to use the entire internet for monthly fee on my phone and at home, I’m not totally convinced of the need to fork over even more money. Shame the money I’m already playing for internet access isn’t apportioned to the content providers whose content I consume based on a percentage of time I spend browsing that site. I certainly know Comcast and Verizon absolutely aren’t charging anything near a fair price for the access, they can more than afford to kick what they’re stealing to folks producing content.

          • Bert’s Bells

            As good as Sheil is, there’s so much excellent ad-driven writing for sports I don’t see the point.

          • Ark87

            Oh hell no. Subscriptions are such BS, feels like everyone wants a slice of my monthly income these days. This one at least makes sense, but the one that outrages me is Microsoft Office, crap ain’t changed since 1995, and they charged like 200-400 bucks all along the way. Now they want a subscription. I better end the rant now because I could go on for another 3 paragraphs.

          • Bert’s Bells

            Hear you on Office. Tried switching full time to Google Docs/Open Office but there’s always one or two things (like integration with EndNote) that only Office does. Grrrr.

          • CrackSammich

            A real class act?

          • Guy Media

            If it is paywalled like The Athletic for Detroit; we won’t even know Sheil is back.

          • D3FB

            I’ll gladly pay $50 a year for Sheil, Bo, Godner, Rosenthal, and all the other national writers.

            It’s a smart model. If you don’t incentivize click driven drivel you get better writers doing higher quality work.

            I’m more than happy to pay pocket change monthly for that.

            This is a far superior model to SBNation

          • Dave

            I didn’t know what you were talking about but now do. I see Bu Wulf is heading there too.

    • Insomniac
  • Ryan Rambo

    Question….if another team wants to sign someone from our practice squad, do we have the chance to prevent it? Like cut someone else and promote them to our 53 man roster to avoid losing them?

    • D3FB

      They have to clear waivers when initially cut.

      Once they clear waivers players on practice squads are free agents.

      So lets say the Bills decide on October 10 that they want Greg Ward. They call his agent and offer him a spot on their 53. That offer is then shopped to the Eagles. The Eagles can choose to pay full rookie min to a player to keep him on the practice squad (they did this with Ced Thorton) , they can promote him or they can say bye.

      It’s also up to the player to decide if they want to go. Even on the PS you may be in a better spot long term at the moment than the new team presents.

      • SteveH

        Do you think PS players deserve better pay? The way they get jerked around and the uncertainty of whether or not you’ll ever get a roster spot seems pretty ridiculous to manage. They’re certainly not impoverished, but at the same time there’s no guarantee that they’ll be employed week to week and they still have injury risks. Plus they’re putting whatever other career ambitions they have on hold.

        I kind of feel like PS players are the forgotten child when it comes to NFLPA negotiations.

        • Bert’s Bells

          Yes. Pretty much every NFL player (and trainer, and groundskeeper, and T-shirt salesman) deserves better pay.

        • D3FB

          They should proabably be paid minimum and treated as roster players 54-63. They won’t cuz the owners are cheap pieces of shit.

          A guy one the PS will make about 120K a year (and I can’t recall but it may be contractor wage too which would double suck).

          That’s nice money don’t get me wrong, but people forget the kind of expenses these guys can run just to keep the dream alive.

          They owe their agent 15k to repay him for the combine training, plus whatever other fees. Some of these guys have to maintain multiple residences. Supplements and nutirion aren’t cheap. They may have to use whatever meager savings they can put together to wait it out if things don’t go right the next year.

          It’s tough. People think they get alot but in reality it’s roughly equivalent to just getting a pretty good job out of school, and they have to pivot and restart in a few years.

          • SteveH

            Right, it’s the extra expenses plus the fact that they often get jerked around that make me think they really get the shaft… I imagine the carrot on the end of the stick of course is the dream of making it. I think the NFLPA should do more for the people at the bottom of rosters, but of course they got taken to the woodshed in the last round of labor negotiations.

      • Ryan Rambo

        Ok! Awesome! Thanks D3FB…..that is something I’ve wondered for a long time now. I appreciate the explanation!!

  • SteveH

    Foles missing the 3rd PS game now… If this continues and he can’t be counted on as our backup QB, an interesting scenario happens.

    There’s no way in hell we keep McGloin as our backup, and the best quarterback left on the market by far is… Kaepernick.

    We’ve made controversial moves before, most notably a fresh out of prison Michael Vick, so… Do we pick up Kaep? I would like to think Lurie would be willing to make that move despite the heat that would surely come.

    • or____

      I would be fine with kap but don’t see why its needed. Foles will probably be fine by game 1

      • Ark87

        Yeah, It seems like if they wanted him to go out there today, he’d be out there. Seems cautionary, or rather they feel he’ll be better off in the long (looking past pre-season) run. As you said, by week 1, he will be better off. And even then the odds of being called on in week 1 is quite low.

    • unhinged

      I have no evidence to corroborate, other than the massively inflated egos and sibling rivalries displayed by the club of 31, but the fact that he remains unemployed suggests that an oath has been sworn, a pact has been reached, and he has effectively been blackballed. It is like when Muhammed Ali was sentenced to prison. All he had to do was recant, and the sentence would have been lifted. The club of 31 will quash the agreement the second Kaepernick quietly communicates that he will forever stand for all anthems.

  • Ryan Rambo

    The Florida Times Union’s Ryan O’Halloran “guesses” the Jaguars are shopping Allen Hurns on the trade block.
    Hurns has yet to play this preseason despite being relatively healthy. He missed a bunch of action last season due to a severe hamstring strain. GM Dave Caldwell just signed Hurns to a “five-year, $40.6 million” deal last June, but he appears to already be falling out of favor with guys like Marqise Lee playing well last season and rookie Dede Westbrook impressing this summer. Hurns likely wouldn’t fetch much in the trade department coming off a really down 2016.

  • Ryan Rambo

    Philly Voice’s Jimmy Kempski expects rookie Donnel Pumphrey to be inactive at the start of the season should he even make the 53-man roster.
    Pumphrey was drawing all the praise early in training camp, but the pint-sized one-dimensional pass catcher has predictably struggled mightily in preseason games. A subpar athlete, relatively speaking, Pumphrey has caught seven passes for 32 yards and rushed seven times for two yards. Kempski wonders if the Eagles may even try to stash Pumphrey on I.R. as a rookie.