He Made It!!!!!!!!!

Posted: September 24th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 384 Comments »

Jake Elliott hit the 61-yard FG to beat the Giants.

I’ve been watching Eagles football for a long time and I’ve never seen a moment like that. Game-winning FGs, sure. 61 yards? That’s what opposing kickers do to the Eagles. So cool to finally be on the fun side of one of these moments.

Crazy game with some ugly moments, but the Eagles came up big at the end. It was great to see them make clutch plays and come away with the win.

Eagles 2-1
Giants  0-3

It wasn’t perfect, but it was a great outcome.

Now let’s hope some of these injuries aren’t serious.

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384 Comments on “He Made It!!!!!!!!!”

  1. 1 Sean Stott said at 4:48 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    first

  2. 2 BobSmith77 said at 4:49 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Fast thoughts:

    – Wiz is going to be starting LG for the forseeable future
    – Eagles seemed to try to do what the Lions did last week to the Giants and it worked until Hicks and especially Cox went out; pass rush just disappeared and the Giants’ began attacking the middle of the field aggressively.
    – Peters had a gutty performance playing on a really bad ankle and held JPP in check
    – Mills stinks but Schwartz putting him on 1-on-1 coverage in most of the 2nd half was just baffling when the Giants kept going to him play after play; Schwartz has shown me little ability to adjust to in-game situations like that since last year
    – Giants had no answer for Ertz all day long despite putting a few different players on him
    – Smith and Agholor should start losing PT to Hollins next week.

  3. 3 BobSmith77 said at 4:50 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Pederson is fortunate the Eagles’ pulled this game out.

    His play-calling/decisions were really easy to pick apart or question starting with the 4th and 8 gambit and through the 2nd half.

  4. 4 Insomniac said at 5:10 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It was like 2 plays out of what 70+?

  5. 5 D3FB said at 5:50 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    No he’s dumb because he called the play for Ertz to fumble.

  6. 6 sonofdman said at 6:01 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He really should have used the Ertz fumble play at a less crucial part of the game. Not the right spot to call for a fumble in a tight game in the fourth quarter.

  7. 7 D3FB said at 6:09 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I’m just glad he called for the missed field goal early in the game. Kept the makes in his back pocket. Savy move.

  8. 8 Crus57 said at 6:12 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Think he’s overdoing it with the injury plays though, I know you go with what’s working but it’s counterproductive at this point.

  9. 9 Ark87 said at 7:06 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I really liked the quick pass to Burton drop and get destroyed by 2 defenders immediately call. A lot of lesser coaches would have had him catch it and lose yards. Doug understands that it’s a game of inches. He’s got good instincts.

  10. 10 Forthebirds said at 5:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    going for it on 4th and 8 was beyond dumb.

  11. 11 xeynon said at 5:45 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    4th and 8 was a dumb decision but on the whole I thought the playcalling was very good today. They moved the ball against a very tough defense, they got the running game untracked, and they picked up critical yards when they needed them down the stretch. Other than that one dumb decision I don’t see too much to question here with Pederson’s game plan.

  12. 12 Ankerstjernen said at 7:42 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    4th and 8 at the 48 yards line is a good play to go for it acconding to the math.

  13. 13 xeynon said at 8:10 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yeah I saw that. But it’s close enough that in this case, with these variables (our offense not playing well, their defense being very good against the pass) I thought it tips it over into bad decision territory.

    Not going to crucify Pederson for it but I thought it was overly aggressive.

  14. 14 FairOaks said at 8:23 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Depends on your model. An older NYT model (which they lost the rights to use) linked above said it’s not.

    In isolation, I can see going for it. With a lot less time on the clock, or even a lot more, I would have been OK. But the extra distance seemed to be the difference needed to ensure the Giants would not score before the half. They were moving the ball but in small chunks to that point.

  15. 15 Someguy77 said at 9:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    2 plays before the missed FG including going deep on 2 and 6 and then a WR screen that gained them nothing.

    This game this year reminded me a lot of Pederson last year vs Giants. The week before Pederson got blasted for being too conservative with Boys in 2nd half especially after the Eagles had taken a 23-16 lead early in the 4th qtr.

    The following week Pederson decides to go for it 4 times on 4th down and only converts once in a loss.

    Last week Blount didn’t get a carry and Pederson had the extreme run-pass ratio. Pederson got criticized for it all week so this week he goes out of his way to give the ball early and often to Blount and go with an extreme run-pass ratio (highest in his tenure yet here).

    I do think Pederson responded to the public criticism he got in both occasions and it did effect his game plan the following week.

  16. 16 Ark87 said at 4:58 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t hate Mills. He’s ok sometimes, but him 1 on 1 with one of the best players in football is just not good. Then again maybe that’s how desperate the secondary situation was, yikes either way

  17. 17 A_T_G said at 5:07 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    To be fair, there is at least even odds that Maragos was tasked with help and he is just too bad for anyone to recognize it.

  18. 18 sonofdman said at 5:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    he is bad at anything that is not special teams.

  19. 19 Ark87 said at 7:01 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t get why they keep him playing center field, I guess his strength is “keep everything in front of him and let him crash down on the action”

    So they aren’t running the ball, Malcolm is actually covering someone one on one which Maragos certainly cannot do, so that leaves no choice but to have Maragos back there even though he’s a liability in coverage.

  20. 20 scratcherk said at 5:24 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    thought mills did fine with the coverage he was assigned…

  21. 21 Ankerstjernen said at 5:26 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Agree, except, I don’t think Mills stink. He lacks long speed, we all know this. But there are things he does well. In this game he seemed to have been instructed to play with a big cushion. Probably the logic, if you are Schwartz, is that you’d avoid the long plays because your defense can hold up in the red zone where there is less space for the offense to work with. So he is essentially being asked to give up a number of completions and the onus is on him to make good tackle. I think he mostly did that well.

  22. 22 Dave said at 4:51 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    This is too good not to repost on the new thread.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKhEMGDXkAcd0bY?format=jpg

  23. 23 Tumtum said at 5:07 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Oh, everyone will be seeing it for a long time 🙂

  24. 24 Sean Stott said at 4:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    ODB does such a fantastic job being hatable.

  25. 25 BobSmith77 said at 4:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I would love to see this game recapped with the ‘many faces of Eli’ including after the game-ending FG.

    You wouldn’t even need commentary or titles.

    Credit to Fox to have a lot of ‘Eli face’ shots especially on the cutaways to commercial.

  26. 26 Dave said at 4:56 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    knock knock.

    who’s there?

    Owen.

    Owen who?

    0-3!

    https://media.tenor.com/images/7536b8a98bc831d350a9d36779453f60/tenor.gif

  27. 27 Tumtum said at 5:06 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yes! Most important these guys aren’t out long!

  28. 28 SteveH said at 5:08 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I want to hear Merril’s call of the game winning field goal. I bet he just about blew out his vocal chords.

  29. 29 mtn_green said at 5:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He did!

  30. 30 AddictedToPhilly said at 5:11 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    My favorite part of the field goal (other than winning of course) was watching Beckham watch helplessly as it went over his head. Very talented individual, but man is he detestable

  31. 31 mtn_green said at 5:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Booya!

  32. 32 Insomniac said at 5:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    https://streamable.com/ryue2

    Merril’s cast of the kick.

  33. 33 A_T_G said at 5:21 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    For what it’s worth, analytics side with Doug’s decision…
    https://twitter.com/kurt_bsh/status/912019432611991552

  34. 34 Allen3000 said at 5:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    We had like 50 yards passing at that point in the game and there was no reason to be confident that we would convert in that situation.

    And then we draw up that crappy play which just exacerbated the issue and gave the NYG great field position with about 2 mins on the clock.

    Donnie Jones is an accomplished punter. I’m confident he could have pinned them down near the 10 or at worst, forced the touchback.

    I can’t imagine there are many good coaches who would have elected to go for it in that situation given our personnel and performance to that point.

  35. 35 A_T_G said at 5:46 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Personally, I do not disagree with you. I said so before the play was run.

    But, the response to similar comments on Twitter…
    https://twitter.com/kurt_bsh/status/912024135529836546

  36. 36 FairOaks said at 6:12 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I didn’t like it mainly because of the time on the clock. Giants were driving but they were taking a lot of clock to do it. Given the time and the distance difference, I thought that making them really earn the points before halftime was by far the better call. If there was significantly more time, or less time, on the clock I could see going with the bot. Doubt that bot takes into account the time left, plus expectations of what the other team can then do.

  37. 37 D3FB said at 5:48 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It’s risky but if Wentz does pretty much anything other than get his ass sacked it’s not too bad of an outcome.

  38. 38 Allen3000 said at 5:57 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yeah, I guess the sack just makes it all that much worse. I wouldn’t have disagreed with the play call so much *if* our passing game wasn’t so erratic and ineffective to that point.

  39. 39 D3FB said at 6:09 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    They weren’t actually doing too bad

    15 called pass plays
    8/12 71 yards,

    2 sacks, 11 yard scramble

  40. 40 xeynon said at 5:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I’d argue that you HAVE to factor in game situation (our D playing well at that point, good Giants’ pass rush, etc.). But in any case, if you’re going to go for it, the play has to be designed so that you don’t give up a sack.

    Still, I’m glad to know Doug is analytically minded. He’s clearly not afraid to be criticized and that is a trait which all the great coaches have (not saying that he’s great, just that he shares that trait with those who are).

  41. 41 D3FB said at 5:55 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The play was designed to not take a sack, Carson stood there, didn’t see anything and instead of forcing it (ok outcome) or arm punting (ok outcome) or throwing it away (ok outcome) he took a sack.

  42. 42 xeynon said at 6:14 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Fair enough. Didn’t see the play live (I got home just in time for the goal line stand at the end of the first half).

  43. 43 D3FB said at 6:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It was one of his read one, read two, ahhhh fuck, sack plays rather than bad protection. As long as he learns from it situationally that an arm punt or forced ball is ok, it’s all good.

  44. 44 xeynon said at 6:44 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yeah, the #1 thing for me this season is not even making the playoffs, it is Carson learning from experience and improving in the mental side of the game.

    He clearly has the physical talent and basic psychological makeup to be an elite QB. Couple that with the smarts and game awareness and we’ll have 10-15 years’ worth of chances to win with him.

  45. 45 Ankerstjernen said at 7:46 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    This will be an overlooked point this week for certain, as people will blame the playcall. If your young QB would have just thrown the damn ball down the field this all looks different. This was sort of a tiny rookie moment by Wentz, one that Im sure he will learn from. (If you are running a plah in stead of punting, you might as well try a low percentage deep throw.)

  46. 46 CrackSammich said at 7:18 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Ha @ “arm punting” .

    It would be awesome if his third read on that play was “Throw it directly at the deep safety”. The WIP callers would lose their mind.

  47. 47 D3FB said at 2:20 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    It actually should be. Db’s are wired to want to grab it.

  48. 48 FairOaks said at 6:49 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Interesting in that the NYT used to use a different model, but the guy was hired away by ESPN apparently. According to the model then, 4th-and-8 from the 43 was a recommended punt.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/upshot/4th-down-when-to-go-for-it-and-why.html

  49. 49 Ark87 said at 5:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I thought the refs were pretty solid today, and downright sharp at times, how the hell did they catch Gerry holding Qualls from getting off the field?

  50. 50 Insomniac said at 5:33 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    They caught him grabbing Qualls arm.

  51. 51 A_T_G said at 5:44 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I think he is marveling that they noticed.

  52. 52 Dave said at 5:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Rewatching that field goal from the side angle I realized the ball was closer to the goal post than Mills’ coverage of Beckham all day.

  53. 53 big Jes not here for grammar said at 7:50 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He had good coverage on both Td catches actually if he gets there .05seconds dinner on first catch he pushes Beckham out before for gets feet down second one he was on him just great catch. Rest of the day he was playing off basically allowing the quick catch for minimal gain just get the immediate tackle.don’t get burned deep . Seems that was what was asked of him as thatwas what he continued to do with no reprimand. Guessing if Mcleod is in then he would have help over the top and would be jamming (which he is good at )at the line. Sucks being this depleted in our secondary . this Defense could be great if health

  54. 54 Dave said at 8:09 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    His first TD pass he was not within 5 yards of Beckham when the ball was in the air. I watched the replay again. Not sure how that was good.

    The 2nd TD he was beat again over the top. He was holding Beckham’s arm. If Beckham drops it, it would have been a PI in the end zone.

  55. 55 kajomo said at 5:23 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t be get the hate for Jalen Mills. We know who he is. Probably best as a #4 who is forced to start due to injuries and lack of options. That said he did his job for the most part. He gave up a lot of catches, but they played way off and he contested just about every catch. I’d rather have him than Maxwell, Nnamdi, Carroll, McKelvin, Fletcher, etc.

  56. 56 A_T_G said at 5:26 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yep, exactly. And if he ends up in the slot with Darby and Jones locking down the edges, he could be a legit asset.

  57. 57 Rob Jarratt said at 5:27 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I agree with you, k. It’s the typical Eagles’ fans’ zeal to find a scapegoat. I’ll take Mills on the field any day. I like his tenacity. All he had to to was to cover one of the best wide receivers. Cut him some slack.

  58. 58 sonofdman said at 5:32 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I like Mills. He competes like crazy. He is not that great but he plays hard and is not intimidated.

  59. 59 Dave said at 5:43 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Can you name any player on defense that does not play hard and is intimidated?

  60. 60 A_T_G said at 5:47 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    DRC

  61. 61 Dave said at 5:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Lol, you are correct. How about a player on the Eagles.

  62. 62 A_T_G said at 6:07 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I would say it is safe to assume all the other healthy guys are at least one of less great, less competitive, or more intimidated.

  63. 63 Dave said at 6:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    As AC would say, that’s speculation.

  64. 64 A_T_G said at 6:38 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Based on evidence: the coaches decided he is the no. 1 cb.

    What alternate conclusion do you have of Mills in comparison to his peers, and what evidence supports it?

  65. 65 xeynon said at 6:42 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    This is the thing that always gets me about fans criticizing every single coaching decision.

    Coaches (1) know way more about football than we do, (2) have access to way more pertinent information than we do, and (3) have way more riding on the outcome than we do (a loss is just a one week bummer for us, it could get these guys fired).

    That’s not to say they don’t make questionable decisions from time to time or can’t be second guessed, but the working assumption when evaluating any coaching decision should be that there’s some kind of logic behind it.

  66. 66 big Jes not here for grammar said at 8:05 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Exactly and let’s not forget if douggy plays scared he don’t go for it on the other2 4th downs and we lose two TDs . got to take the good with the bad I love Doug’s aggressiveness and his attitude.

  67. 67 big Jes not here for grammar said at 8:05 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I hate his WR. Screen calls though

  68. 68 Dave said at 6:54 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The evidence is clear that the Eagles do not believe Mills is a #2, let alone a #1 CB. The Eagles traded for Darby and drafted Douglas and Jones for a reason.

    By your methodology, Maragos is the Eagles #2 safety.

  69. 69 A_T_G said at 7:04 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The stipulation was out of the healthy players. As AC would caution, careful reading is important.

    Today, of the healthy options, Maragos was the #2 safety.

  70. 70 Dave said at 8:17 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Your argument is invalid.

  71. 71 A_T_G said at 10:39 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Is that because it agrees with the coachs’, or is that merely coincidental?

  72. 72 Dave said at 7:22 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    My bad, I meant to attach this pic;-)

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/061/297/nickcage.jpeg

  73. 73 sonofdman said at 5:48 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t doubt that Maragos plays hard, but he did not look confident and one could argue he was intimidated.

  74. 74 Dave said at 5:54 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    If he learned to way his finger after every drop, would that make him appear confident.

  75. 75 unhinged said at 5:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    When a ball carrier was coming straight at Deion Sanders, he routinely disappeared.

  76. 76 since1961 said at 5:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    There’s a fairly long list of former Eagles CBs meeting that description.

  77. 77 sonofdman said at 5:57 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    This

  78. 78 Dave said at 6:05 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    On the current team.

  79. 79 wee2424 said at 10:43 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I can name a few past CBs we have had in very recent memory.

  80. 80 Dave said at 5:40 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t get the Mills love, is it because he was a draft pick? I don’t care how hard he tries or his confidence. Bottom line is that he is slow and he will never get faster, which will always be his Achilles heel. Mills is a liability every snap he takes in the secondary.

  81. 81 xeynon said at 5:49 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He’s fine as a 3rd or 4th corner. Matching him up one-on-one with OBJ is just dumb on the coaches’ part, it’s not his fault if that turns out badly.

  82. 82 Dave said at 5:56 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He had Jenkins playing over top all day with the exception of the end zone.

  83. 83 xeynon said at 6:00 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The end zone was the only place where Beckham killed us.

  84. 84 Someguy77 said at 9:08 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    After the game, they did say they were doubling ODB almost all day.

  85. 85 Dave said at 9:15 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    So why no press coverage if the safety was over the top?

  86. 86 unhinged said at 5:55 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t want him as a #1, but the dude had 12 tackles today. He’s not a great CB, but the league is full of not great CB’s who don’t seek contact.

  87. 87 D3FB said at 5:57 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He’ll compete, he’ll tackle.

    Lockdown corners are great but people act like there are 64 of those guys.

    He’s got value in this league.

  88. 88 big Jes not here for grammar said at 8:09 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Think he would be good in the slot where his top end speed isn’t nearly exposed . or maybe if they played quarters on his side with competent safety help over the top he wouldn’t have to be worried about being beat deep with speed and could just jam and be physical at the line which I think he has talent at

  89. 89 Dave said at 6:05 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He left 10 yard cushions and allows easy catches Praising him for tackled the WR is rewarding him with a participation trophy.

  90. 90 Crus57 said at 6:07 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    .. that several more experienced and higher paid previous CBs did not earn.

  91. 91 Dave said at 6:17 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    That’s some pretty low standards.

  92. 92 wee2424 said at 10:41 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Created by even worse CB play over the years that have also sucked at our cap resources.

  93. 93 ChoTime said at 6:27 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    True, but there are worse fates. At least making Eli hit those time and time again gives him a chance to mess up. We’ve had worse in this secondary in recent years.

  94. 94 Bert's Bells said at 6:37 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    If he’s calling coverages, you’re clearly underestimating him.

  95. 95 dillinja said at 7:21 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    That was obviously by design though

  96. 96 Someguy77 said at 9:07 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He had 12 tackles today because the Giants finally realized they should abuse him with ODB.

  97. 97 kajomo said at 7:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It’s not love, but you can win with Mills. He competes like hell and we have seriously lacked that over the years. Eagles fans always expect every player to be a star. We all know Mills isn’t that, but he is a competitor and that is a lot better than what we’ve had the last several years.

    Also big picture he is behind Darby, S Jones, and Douglas. I hope he sticks as an eagle for a long time as he will always have a role due to that competitiveness.

  98. 98 Dave said at 8:12 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Seriously, Nolan Carroll competed like hell too. He is also arguably better than Mills. He has better length, height, weight and speed. He has no ball awareness. Mills doesn’t seem to have any ball awareness or his physical limitations prevent him from being in position to make a play on the ball.

  99. 99 kajomo said at 9:01 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yeah I just disagree. As has 4PD and 1 INT in 3 games. He has several tackles for right at or behind the LOS. Again I’m not asking him to be a long term starter. But he can be a key piece of our secondary moving forward.

  100. 100 Someguy77 said at 9:06 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    No he can’t especially not as a starter.

  101. 101 Dave said at 9:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    By my count, he gave up 9 completions for over 100 yards today and 2 TDs. In week 1 he gave up over 100 yards on 10 completions. I’m not sure about last week. Clearly opponents see him as a weak link.

  102. 102 FairOaks said at 9:29 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Sure. He’s undersized and he’s not fast. That is not the combo you want in an outside corner. If you have a bad matchup like Beckham, you probably play soft and try to keep everything in front of you. Which he did, for the most part. There were lots of short passes and he was making the tackles quickly. He did get a couple of PBUs. Odell is a handful for most corners; having Mills press him is likely a recipe for disaster. For a lot of the game, Odell had a number of catches but really hadn’t burned the Eagles. That did change some later in the game, when Cox went out. Mills did lose him on the first TD pass — almost recovered, but not quite. Second one he had terrific coverage — borderline PI — but Beckham made an insane catch. Don’t think anyone could defend better than that. Beckham did get by him downfield on the play that Jenkins committed PI, though don’t think the ball was going to get caught.

    In short, don’t think the Eagles project him as a starter either. Could be good in the slot, and is a good backup it looks like. He competes hard, doesn’t seem to resort to PI all the time, and usually makes the tackle even when giving up the reception. In short, he doesn’t seem to make the big mistake all that often. He’s not a shutdown corner but you need solid guys on the team, and he seems at least that. If we can push him to 4th on the depth chart behind Jones, Darby, and Douglas that is a very good situation. Could deal without the excessive celebrations but there are worse things.

  103. 103 Dave said at 9:45 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He was targeted 21 times. That’s crazy high. Nobody targets a CAB that much unless they see a huge advantage.

    https://twitter.com/PFF/status/912089465472143360

  104. 104 FairOaks said at 10:27 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Well duh. Brandon Marshall was a very good matchup for Rasul Douglas; Odell Beckham is a lousy matchup for Mills. Plus the Giants can’t run the ball. It was the obvious place to go. They did try to throw on Douglas early but gave up on that. How many receptions did Mills give up on those 21 targets? Only the very best CBs give up less than 50% completions when targeted.

    If you have Mills on OBJ, you know he’s going to get some. You just hope to not be burned by the big plays. First TD and Jenkins PI were probably the only really big plays given up. I don’t love the guy, but he’s playing better than he was last year. Wish we didn’t have to start him, but we’ve seen lots worse than him the past few years (including the 2016 Mills).

  105. 105 Dave said at 7:25 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    He has the most target against a CB in 11 years and your response is Well, duh? That’s an insane amount of targets and you have attempted to rationalize it.

  106. 106 FairOaks said at 9:28 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Because that is what Schwartz was giving them, by design. They wanted to throw quickly before the pass rush would get there, and Schwartz had Mills playing off so their best receiver — one of the best in the league — was open on short balls a lot, with by far the most favorable mismatch. And the Giants rarely ran, so lots of passes, with Mills being the worst CB on the field. So, that played into both the Giants game plan, and Schwartz’. The design was to not allow plays like the Shepard touchdown (and the play where OBJ got behind Mills and Jenkins committed interference).

    Nobody is saying Mills is great — just that he does the best he can. He can’t run with ODB so he has to play off and make sure he doesn’t get beat deep. Yes, you give up lots of short passes, but that was the lesser of all evils. By and large he did that, and made the tackles quickly. You just hope to stop them at some point during long drives, which worked OK for a lot of the game. There is no way you would want him covering ODB if you can avoid it — it’s a horrible mismatch — but injuries pretty much dictated that. If Darby was here, Mills is on the bench and we have a much better chance of stopping the Giants. It’s no use having fewer targets just because you are giving up bigger yardage chunks on the targets you get. Mills is not a starter, unless maybe in the slot (which needs more quick than fast, depending on the matchup). But you could do worse for a backup.

  107. 107 Someguy77 said at 9:05 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t either. He just isn’t an NFL-caliber starting CB.

  108. 108 Tumtum said at 9:24 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Since I can only up vote once this 1000x

  109. 109 Forthebirds said at 5:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    haven’t seen an Eagles’ field like that since Tom Dempsey was kicking them with half a foot back in the 70’s. You gotta feel sorry for the Giants. Nah! You don’t.

  110. 110 Insomniac said at 5:31 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Hot takes

    The idea of rotating our LG is madness but it worked this game. Most coaches won’t ever do that.

    Ertz is never going to try to stiff arm anyone again.

    Run the ball more, if we can run the ball for 171 yards on one of the better DLs then we can do it against almost everyone.

    Mack Hollins needs to play more.

    Douglas looks like a solid #2 but come back soon Darby.

    We can’t let Jernigan go. He was less effective with Cox out but he still played well.

    Kendricks and Bradham held it down with Hicks out, I believe both guys are going to be staying an Eagle for awhile.

    Curry screwed up last week but he somewhat made up for it this week with a key stop. He continues to play well against the run but can’t get a sack.

    Safety depth is an issue but we’re down to our like 5th safety. In hindsight, maybe we should have kept Terrance Brooks.

  111. 111 A_T_G said at 5:35 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Curry also got us the sack-robbing holding call to get us the ball back at the end.

  112. 112 T_S_O_P said at 5:40 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The Hogs used to rotate lineman as a way to combat Reggie, and Belichik did a couple of years back in NE.

  113. 113 Fufina said at 5:42 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The Giants run defense is hot garbage. Their LB’s are awful. If you can block their DE’s and get a double on a DT you can pretty much run straight up the gut into their secondary. Which is what we did again and again and again all game.

    Not sure we will always be able to do that 😉

  114. 114 xeynon said at 5:47 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    You’re correct, but Pederson devised a gameplan to attack their weakness and did so effectively.

  115. 115 since1961 said at 5:44 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Before QB headsets I remember more than a few Guard shuttles. Didn’t seem to be a big deal. And neither of our W’s is all that great.

  116. 116 A_T_G said at 5:32 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I wonder if, during meetings, Mills and Douglas celebrate a successful pencil sharpening?

  117. 117 T_S_O_P said at 5:38 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    https://youtu.be/imRaRW4ltOs

  118. 118 A_T_G said at 6:00 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Good call. Our Jake the Peg also seems to have the extra leg trait.

  119. 119 D3FB said at 5:44 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It’s lit

  120. 120 A_T_G said at 5:54 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Bold take, but big if true.

  121. 121 CrackSammich said at 6:12 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    af

  122. 122 xeynon said at 5:58 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Let’s not let this get lost: those looking for a “signature win” from Carson Wentz got it today.

    A good running game certainly helped with those last few drives but he made some clutch plays down the stretch. The game winning FG doesn’t happen without that perfect sideline throw to Jeffery.

  123. 123 D3FB said at 6:00 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    First game winning drive of his career

  124. 124 xeynon said at 6:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Won’t be the last. He clearly has “it”.

  125. 125 Ark87 said at 6:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I’ve been waiting for it. That’s one of those intangible things, which I don’t like to talk about because most of those things are practically superstition, but that one was rattling in the back of my head for a while now.

  126. 126 wee2424 said at 10:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Same. Being such a competitor it has to have weighed in his mind as well. Big for his confidence and his teammates.

  127. 127 unhinged said at 6:08 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Wentz delivered when he had to, and that is gratifying, but the OL and the defense also made some big plays. I think there is a direct connection between strong running and zero picks.

  128. 128 D3FB said at 6:10 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Is there?

  129. 129 unhinged said at 6:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I think.

  130. 130 D3FB said at 6:16 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I think it’s more they went with short underneath stuff in the pass game. They stayed away from the riskier intermediate stuff. Eli’s had no run game and only threw an INT on a dumb ass deciison

    And Wentz’s two INTs this year were a tipped pass and a screen he threw into a defenders helmet.

  131. 131 FairOaks said at 6:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    To be fair, the only two INTs so far this year were on short passes — one to the sideline short, and one attempted throwaway into the ground. Both tipped which was the difference. Not sure the running game would have helped on those, other than simply not throwing as often and thus having less opportunity one goes bad on you.

    Of course running the ball when not effective can lead to lots of 3-and-outs, which also avoids the INTs, but also avoids having an offense.

  132. 132 unhinged said at 6:27 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It’s hard to be poet in a literal world, but how can I contradict a fair rejoinder from someone who has Fair in their moniker?

  133. 133 ChoTime said at 6:26 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Definitely some signs of life, kind of an early Russel Wilsonish game. They were in the position to win it because of leaning on the run game.

    Threw for 176 yards. 5.7/yards attempt. Avoided game-losing mistakes.

    Game manager with an extra gear. Not a bad thing at all for this stage of his career.

  134. 134 xeynon said at 6:36 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He was playing against an excellent pass defense. Wasn’t great on the whole, but the thing that impressed me was that there was no dropoff at all in high leverage moments and he made big plays when it counted.

  135. 135 ChoTime said at 7:31 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    They say young marathon runners have an advantage in they don’t know how much it’s going to hurt. He kind of reminds me of that. 🙂

  136. 136 xeynon said at 8:04 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Great athletes need that ability to ignore the probabilities and push through doubts in a way normal people can’t.

  137. 137 Tumtum said at 9:20 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    You are so hard on Wentz. He has 2 games over 300 yards, and now he is just a game manager after one game where the best way to win was on the ground?

  138. 138 ChoTime said at 9:57 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I think today was a better template for him going forward than having him chuck it like prime Donovan, yes. Use a balanced offense where he can put on the Superman cape _when needed_.

    I don’t think he’s ready to be the engine of a winning offense yet, and I don’t think forcing him to do is going to be good for his development.

  139. 139 Tumtum said at 10:13 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    I agree completely a more balnced approach is needed. I do however think he is the engine and this tram only goes as far as he takes it.

    Anytime you are playing that secondary.. run. It took a fee series to figure it out. Any time you are playing an offense trying to quick game your defense, slow them down.

    Good in game adjustments. Smart for the opponent. I don’t think it means to much about Carson.

  140. 140 suthrneagle said at 6:05 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    did not see the game…followed w/computer
    went to read nj smalls` fans reactions
    anyone care to comment on this guy`s view

    “Officiating ruined this game. The overturned tds were INSANE. Overturning a call on the field recquires irrefutable visual evidence. No way to determine where Shep was at the goal line. Call MUST stand. 7 points. Next play Shep catches ball in endzone takes 3 steps and leaves ball on the ground; incomplete. If that’s in the middle of the field he’s ruled down by contact, no fumble. Apple’s second 50 yard interference call was the worst call of the season. He ACTUALLY was playing the ball for once, both players are fighting with arms at the boundary, and the ball is thrown 5 yards too deep and 5 yards out of bounds, aka uncatchable. Can NOT give them that call. Set up a gift td. Later, Giants are driving. Philly has 12 men on field at the snap. We convert 3rd down easily. Officials call Jerry for delay of game for contacting the DT who is BLOCKING JERRY FROM LINING UP, IS OFFSIDES, AND THE 12TH DEFENDER ON THE FIELD. Undoes minutes on the clock and potential touchdown drive. Get called for illegal shift on final drive. Bad spot on shanked punt. Clock operator leaves 1 second on clock for final FG. HARD ENOUGH PLAYING YOUR OPPONENT IN THIS LEAGUE. Give me a break with this BS “officiating.” “

  141. 141 D3FB said at 6:11 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I live for NFC East Schadenfreude

  142. 142 xeynon said at 6:19 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The sweetest schadenfreude of all is Jerruh-in-his-Skybox-in-the-waning-minutes-of-a-crushing-Cowboys-loss schadenfreude.

    But the irate Giants fan variety is a pretty good vintage too.

  143. 143 D3FB said at 6:21 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Agreed, there’s more giant fan interaction locally but the cowboy fans are truly mouthbreathing knuckledragging dunces.

  144. 144 unhinged said at 6:44 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    There are so many fair-weather Cowboy fans that it mitigates the reputation of their true fans. I detested the Cowboys when they were good, but I find it hard to hate them as much as I can and will always loathe the Giants and Skins. Of course if they win the East this season, it’ll come back to me.

  145. 145 FairOaks said at 6:45 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    They won the East last season. Should have come back by now.

  146. 146 unhinged said at 7:10 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The East has been a modicum of mediocrity for well over a decade in my opinion. I do buy the argument that anything can happen in the post-season, but the last time an NFC East Division winner impressed me was 2004, and I don’t think that is a homer sentiment. The Cowboys have tried to replicate the Jimmy J days of OL beastliness, but they don’t have the ferocious defense to deliver the knockout blow. Don’t get me wrong, I hate them, but the Cowboy fans that I encounter just don’t tweak my ire like NY and Washington fans do.

  147. 147 D3FB said at 8:28 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t know why but Was fans have never bothered me. Maybe because they’ve been consistently bad with flashes of good but they generally seem alright.

  148. 148 Tumtum said at 9:17 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Come to DC. They are insufferable. Not nearly as bad as they were in the early 90s but boy they suck.

  149. 149 CrackSammich said at 7:14 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Ayyyy, DC Eagles fans represent.

    Honestly, I had a blast trolling the Redskins fans last week. They were good sports about it.

  150. 150 Tumtum said at 10:05 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    I stopped going to the games because of random people trying to fight. The old drunk guy taking a leak while I was deciding he was feeling froggy was the nail in the coffin.

  151. 151 A_T_G said at 6:14 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The comment doesn’t say one way or the other, but I am guessing he is a Giants fan.

  152. 152 suthrneagle said at 6:20 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    a N.J. Smalls fan

  153. 153 A_T_G said at 6:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Ah, I thought you were making fun of a NJ media outlet similar to Philly dot com.

  154. 154 suthrneagle said at 6:24 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    no no no…dont the “the ny giants” play in NJ ?

  155. 155 big Jes not here for grammar said at 8:19 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Funny they actually expect you to pay for that drivvel over there now at philly.com

  156. 156 BC1968 said at 6:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Clearly grabbed the guy running off the field, was a clear delay of game.

    The td that was overruled, the ball did not cross the goal line, without a doubt. Now the ball that was dropped when he hit the ground after he caught it inbounds? That’s the right call on a bullshit rule.

    How does he know the shanked punt was a bad spot?

    Illegal shift play, the offense wasn’t set when they snapped the ball.

    Clock operator? That’s called home cooking. Oh well, it happens.

    The pass interference, Apple clearly hooked the arm of the receiver, absolute right call, only question is if the ball was catchable.

  157. 157 A_T_G said at 6:24 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Don’t dignify those deluded arguments with responses. We all know the good guys won in the end.

  158. 158 BC1968 said at 6:25 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    True, I’m just happy and felt like typing.

  159. 159 suthrneagle said at 6:31 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Got an answer I was looking for, cause I only get to see a game when the the tv here puts an Eagles game on…a thurs. maybe,SNF,MNF and maybe a 4 oclock game…very frustrating tying understand whats hapnin thru a computer

  160. 160 suthrneagle said at 6:26 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    thank you

  161. 161 Insomniac said at 6:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He’s a dumb___

  162. 162 FairOaks said at 6:31 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    If honest questions, let’s see.

    1. It was absolutely possible to tell that Shep did not cross the goal line before he stepped out of bounds. Correct call.
    2. Shep took two steps in end zone (valid catch at that point), but the ball coughed up when he hit the ground. Per rule, obviously not a catch. Somewhat of a BS rule, and this is definitely one of the situations which makes the rule look bad, but not a bad ruling itself. And yes, if that happens in the middle of the field, that is an incomplete pass too.
    3. Apple had the arm hooked. The ball was about the right depth and 1-2 yards OB. It was interference, but it may not have been catchable. Borderline; I would not have faulted the refs either way on that.
    4. Delay of game was a great catch by the refs. He was not blocking the Giants guy from lining up — they had plenty of time to get set and hike before Qualls got off the field anyways — and there is no offsides before the players are set. Dumb penalty for the player, but good call.
    5. Yes, illegal shift is in the rulebook. Players were still moving when the ball was snapped (clock was running); easy call. Just think — if the Giants had not spent a timeout to save the 10-second runoff, Eagles would not have had time to get the FG.
    6. Not sure how that could be called a bad spot.
    7. On the 1st down play, it started with 13 seconds left. Wentz threw the ball with 8 seconds left, and the clock did appear to stop as the ball crossed the out-of-bounds, but before it landed. Not sure what the rule is there. But, that left 7 seconds left, which the Eagles got to Jeffery who went OB with one second left (legitimately).
    8. He seemed to miss the bad calls against the Eagles, while complaining about (at least mostly) correct calls against his own team.

  163. 163 suthrneagle said at 6:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    thank you

  164. 164 Dave said at 6:35 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Ditto

  165. 165 Tumtum said at 9:11 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Oh you found the comment by Mr. Salty Pants

  166. 166 meteorologist said at 12:25 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Idk why people think there shouldn’t have been 1 second on the clock there…

  167. 167 wee2424 said at 6:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    And I was forced to watch NYJ/MIA game……

  168. 168 scratcherk said at 7:35 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    gross

  169. 169 wee2424 said at 10:08 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I fell asleep. Woke up, saw the Eagles were up 14 nothing, proceeded to walk outside and talk shit to my neighbor who is a Giants fan. Finished a cigarette, walked inside to see that it was 14-14 on the bottom line. Heard my neighbor knocking on the door and didn’t answer.

    I think he is now hidng from me.

  170. 170 Will Ft. The Roots said at 10:49 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Just leave a note in his door that says “61.”

  171. 171 wee2424 said at 9:31 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Shit… I wish I read that before I left for work.

  172. 172 kajomo said at 7:19 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Hasn’t anyone seen any updates on the injuries from today?

  173. 173 scratcherk said at 7:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    love listening to Romo in the booth.

  174. 174 MFlick said at 7:24 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He probably is only good at announcing during the regular season.

  175. 175 D3FB said at 8:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    “HOW DOES THE HOLDER MANAGE TO NOT FUMBLE THE BALL?!!!!”

  176. 176 Gary Barnes said at 7:24 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Unbelievable….the sweetness of victory and agony of defeat all in one game. WHEW! Thank you Mr. Elliott.

  177. 177 xeynon said at 8:02 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Watching OBJ’s post-game interview… just laughing about his unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and refusing to acknowledge it could have hurt his team. Great player, but what a d-bag.

  178. 178 Jack Waggoner said at 8:20 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I have to admit, the dog pissing celebration was pretty funny

  179. 179 Sean Stott said at 8:42 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I thought it was poorly executed. He looked more like a lizard than a dog. And he didn’t pee on a good part of the endzone.

  180. 180 bsuperfi said at 10:45 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yeah, I mean the call to be a pissing dog was right. Though with execution like that you can’t make even the best call look good.

  181. 181 Tumtum said at 9:09 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Dude the level of crazy he displayed on the sideline after, when no one on his team congratulated him. He is actually off his rocker.

  182. 182 P_P_K said at 9:10 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Hello, T.O. it’s me, Odell. I’m coming over to do situps.

  183. 183 Tumtum said at 9:26 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    T.O: “Oh, ODB? Hell no! You are gonna try to take my face off and wear it like a mask”.

  184. 184 P_P_K said at 9:56 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Steal your face right off your head.

  185. 185 P_P_K said at 8:56 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Great player, but I was hoping for a delay of game penalty when he flopped on the turf after Jenkins PI penalty.

  186. 186 Tumtum said at 9:08 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    What in the hell was that all about even?

  187. 187 P_P_K said at 9:09 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Diva behavior. He got right up after the hit by Jenkins, walked toward the sideline then collapsed on the turf. Aikman said it was probably hear exhaustion. Passed pretty damn quickly as he was back on the field two plays later.

  188. 188 Tumtum said at 9:28 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I would really like to know what he was saying was wrong. Really should of been a penalty. Walking off just fine… you know what? I want to make a million people wait for me to be a baby.

  189. 189 ChoTime said at 9:54 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Millennials tbh.

  190. 190 xeynon said at 10:04 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Almost every player in the NFL is a millenial. Only ones who aren’t really are old QBs like Brady, Brees, Manning, maybe a few specialists. Don’t blame OBJ’s generation for him being a jerk.

  191. 191 ChoTime said at 10:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Hey just joking. Sort of.

  192. 192 xeynon said at 11:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    You may be but I have actually heard dumb sportscasters offer this particular hot take on OBJ more than a few times. Followed by contrasting his behavior to that of other, more low key contemporary receivers, ignoring the fact that those players are also all millennials. It’s just a pet peeve of mine.

  193. 193 ChoTime said at 12:09 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    Some people just seem to epitomize all the stereotypical faults of a particular generation, so it’s such an easy take. Hopefully people know that such generational traits are at best averages and couldn’t possibly predict the behavior of an individual.

  194. 194 Tumtum said at 10:13 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Hey 🙁

  195. 195 Ark87 said at 9:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I thought he was doing the Dawk thing at first. Nope, just being bizarre.

  196. 196 Chris Lindeman said at 8:12 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Caleb Sturgis watched his kicking job sail through the uprights with that 61 yarder.

  197. 197 FairOaks said at 8:25 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Sturgis did get his job in a similar manner. It’s a long season though; you don’t go by one FG (make or miss).

  198. 198 Chris Lindeman said at 8:50 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I dunno. There’s something to be said for being carried off the field by your teammates.

  199. 199 FairOaks said at 9:02 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Did we ever carry Cody Parkey off the field? 😉

  200. 200 Chris Lindeman said at 9:57 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Cody who?

  201. 201 kajomo said at 9:03 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I like Elliott’s leg strength better than Sturgis. If he can become more consistent he isn’t the better and less expensive option moving forward

  202. 202 GermanEagle said at 8:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Stat of the day:

    2-0 when GE is attending his daughters soccer training.

    0-1 when he’s not…

  203. 203 D3FB said at 8:24 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Let’s crowdfund them getting into La Masia

  204. 204 Tumtum said at 9:07 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Does a little of your inner German die every time you say soccer?

  205. 205 GermanEagle said at 9:10 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Lol. Yes.

  206. 206 GermanEagle said at 8:25 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Just finished watching that epic.

    Any injury updates?

  207. 207 scratcherk said at 8:26 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    hicks said he was fine after game. ankle was wrapped

  208. 208 SteveH said at 9:33 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    That’s friggin great news.

  209. 209 D3FB said at 8:29 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Cox apparently had a limp and Sproles did not look good live so that seems like a few weeks best case.

  210. 210 GermanEagle said at 8:31 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I would be shocked if that unfortunate kick to his wrist resulted in a break.

  211. 211 D3FB said at 8:33 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He was just down on the field and the teammates seemed pretty worried.

  212. 212 GermanEagle said at 8:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yes I saw it. However did the x ray results come back positive?

  213. 213 Sean Stott said at 8:41 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The way he went down, and also how he was holding his arm made it look like a knee injury (obviously a bad injury) for a not insignificant amount of time

  214. 214 Ark87 said at 9:16 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Broadcast pointed to the “kick”, pretty sure it got caught between his leg and the tackler and to the full brunt of the hit before limply getting hit by the passing foot.

  215. 215 scratcherk said at 8:27 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    where can we watch postgame interviews? specifically elliots

  216. 216 scratcherk said at 8:28 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    ok its up on eagles.com now

  217. 217 Dude said at 8:43 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Oh you bastard.

  218. 218 scratcherk said at 8:46 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    oops unintentionally hilarious

  219. 219 scratcherk said at 8:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    did dan snyder issue a statement?

  220. 220 FairOaks said at 8:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Joel Embiid (who was at the game) during the kick:

    https://twitter.com/jaythetallkid/status/912058020686942210

    Someone else had a phone camera on Elliott’s parents:

    https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/912072373393862657

  221. 221 Tumtum said at 9:04 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    That is a proud pappa.

  222. 222 Ark87 said at 9:14 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Going to be hard to recognize you without your vivid orange oriole!

  223. 223 Tumtum said at 9:29 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I’ll bring him back after the joy of victory wears off, lol.

  224. 224 ACViking said at 8:36 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Here’s an excerpt from K Jake Elliott’s draft evaluation:

    . . . Doesn’t allow an early miss to wreck his confidence. Has had three of six onside kicks recovered including all three attempts over last two seasons. . . . Never allowed a kickoff return for a touchdown. . . .

    _________________

    (1) misses don’t mess with his head — check
    (2) great at onside kicks — check
    (3) touchback machine — check
    _________________

    Only thing missing from the scout’s report is, Elliot is money from 61 yards with the game on the line.

  225. 225 P_P_K said at 8:54 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I was reading something about his being rock solid from inside the 40 or 45, but his leg strength was lacking beyond that. Kid picked a great time to step up. Big time kick.

  226. 226 Ark87 said at 9:12 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Pretty sure most of these guys these days have the leg strength to get it there, but at some point your accuracy goes to crap the more you put into it. You see a lot of these guys hit very impressive kicks warming up or practicing (I myself got to see a young David Akers absolutely kill some practice kicks when I was a kid). At some point it becomes less about possible vs probable. No way do you go for these artillery kicks if odds are you turn the ball over only a first down away from the other team being in field goal range.

    Anywho, I dunno if Elliot can be a great and consistent kicker, but damn did he come through for us there. That was as clutch as you can get.

  227. 227 P_P_K said at 9:55 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    “That was as clutch as you can get.”
    Truth.

  228. 228 FairOaks said at 9:00 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Yeah, thought about the on-side kick of that report last week. That part is intriguing about him. Doesn’t seem to have the consistent direction of a lot of veteran kickers, but he’s got the leg for it.

  229. 229 Tumtum said at 9:02 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Just don’t put him closer than an extra point.

  230. 230 Ryan Rambo said at 8:40 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    https://youtu.be/-DFrmKeWGuI

  231. 231 scratcherk said at 8:47 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Washington off to an unfortunately good start

  232. 232 Tumtum said at 9:00 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The way Collinsworth is talking about the Skins line in this game, it’s clear his prep work was last week’s game. We made them look like the Giants O-line. We made the Giant’s o-line look like it was from Dallas though.

  233. 233 scratcherk said at 9:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    cooper doing his best ags impression

  234. 234 FairOaks said at 9:14 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    2016 Ags. And apparently he already had six drops before this game, so might even be worse.

  235. 235 Will Ft. The Roots said at 9:49 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Did Ags even have that many drops all year last year?

  236. 236 Someguy77 said at 9:26 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    This was an awesome week if you are an elimination pool:

    – Steelers lose to the Bears
    – Dolphins lose to the Jets
    – Broncos lose to the Bills
    – Ravens lose to the Jaguars
    – Panthers lose to the Saints
    – Seahawks lose to the Titans

    I am in one out of Vegas and it had 202 people had entered. Only 24 people had been eliminated the first 2 weeks. Today 76 people got knocked out already and another 4 will if the Raiders lose tonight.

    Took the Packers and even they barely made it at home where Rodgers has been nearly unbeatable in his career.

  237. 237 scratcherk said at 9:29 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    GB almost lost, which would have taken out 90% of our pool

  238. 238 scratcherk said at 9:29 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Pats too

  239. 239 Someguy77 said at 9:33 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Packers had their share in our pool but Steelers took out their share. A lot of people also got cute and picked the Dolphins this week.

  240. 240 scratcherk said at 9:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Also, makes you appreciate every win. Can’t assume any win. Not sure how ppl thought this was a guaranteed win against the Giants. Divisional game. Desperate opponent. No gimme.

  241. 241 kajomo said at 9:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Raiders not doing their part tonight

  242. 242 Ark87 said at 9:41 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    They’re supposed to roll over for us not the Redskins!

    Same goes for Denver against the Bills. Save your crappy days for us please!

  243. 243 Someguy77 said at 9:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Per ESPN:

    THE MAGNITUDE OF JAKE ELLIOTT’S KICK

    Elliott didn’t just win the game for the Eagles on Sunday — he did so with the third-longest made field goal in the final 10 seconds of a game in NFL history. Overall, it was just the 11th kick of 61-plus yards ever made.

  244. 244 Ark87 said at 9:36 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Per Kempski
    “10) The ‘Big Balls Doug’ Award: Doug
    Pederson would have gotten destroyed by local sports talk radio this week if the Eagles lost this game, due his decision to go for it on fourth and 8 near the end of the first half.

    It was a debatable decision, for sure, but far from egregious. The Eagles were on the Giants’ 43-yard line. If they convert, they’re very likely getting points. If they punt, it’s going to be a low net yardage return, no matter what.

    That call aside, Doug was 2/2 on fourth down conversions, which eventually led to 14 points they wouldn’t have otherwise gotten if Doug were a scared little punk.

    And I guarantee you nobody will mention that. When coaches go for it on fourth down and get it, they never get credit. They only get criticized when it doesn’t work, and that is so far beyond stupid it makes my head hurt. Embrace the aggressiveness.”

    Just mentioning it!

  245. 245 xeynon said at 9:42 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    After watching Pederson’s defense of that decision in his postgame presser, I think I’ve been convinced that he made the right call. He basically said they’ve done the math on this and do everything they can to be prepared for every situation each week, and that he ultimately takes responsibility for the decision and stands by it in this case even though it didn’t produce a good result.

    Sounds a lot like Sam Hinkie. I’m a huge process truster wrt to the Sixers so I can’t be hypocritical here. In any case I like that Doug is (1) prepared, (2) is willing to think unconventionally and trust the math and (3) isn’t a scaredy cat who’s paralyzed by fear of failure or criticism. Those are all great characteristics for a coach to have.

  246. 246 Ark87 said at 9:46 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I love aggressiveness. The data almost always backs it up. Now if he can work on that playbook, talkin addition by subtraction here, he’ll be good.

  247. 247 xeynon said at 9:48 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Most of the play problems have been due to poor execution. I think his play design is solid. Perhaps still on him for calling plays his players haven’t demonstrated an ability to competently execute, but I don’t think it’s a Dana Bible situation where he’s just drawing up plays that have no hope of working even in theory.

  248. 248 Ark87 said at 9:56 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    We over-rely on perimeter plays. We don’t do them well, and we don’t have the guy who can really provide any upside to them. IE a play like that may be designed for a 4 yard gain, but you give the ball to someone dynamic who has the chance to slip a tackle and go 20 yards. That’s a running play in essence. We don’t have that guy, and we don’t do them well.

    The one to Burton blew my mind a little. He dropped it, but there were 2 defenders on him unblocked behind the LOS as the ball got there. That’s a bad play, or maybe it has a situation it could work in, but you should be able to read that at the line and audible out of it. Watching about a dozen of those a game for the 3rd week in a row is driving me nuts. They neither consistently get yards nor have produced an explosive play. I’d much rather run the ball.

  249. 249 Someguy77 said at 10:06 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Burton was a bad play and the continued WR screens on a team that doesn’t have a player who can run them is really frustrating.

    Maybe Hollins can but remains to me seen.

  250. 250 xeynon said at 11:40 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I don’t disagree that the game plans have been overly heavy on perimeter plays, but I have to think at least some of that results from lack of confidence in the interior OL. They looked significantly better today with Wisniewski in there rather than Seumalo or Warmack – let’s see if the improvement persists and, if so, the playcalling shifts to feature more interior runs.

  251. 251 anon said at 12:36 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    4th and 8 is way different than 4th and less than one.

  252. 252 Someguy77 said at 9:38 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Has anybody down an analysis of the production per carry when Wiz was at LG and when Womack was at LG?

  253. 253 P_P_K said at 9:53 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    That was a crazy substitution plan.

  254. 254 D3FB said at 11:51 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Wiz played far better

  255. 255 Sean Stott said at 9:39 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Raiders are getting their ass whooped

  256. 256 daveH said at 9:42 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    our E Z Kill Elliott

  257. 257 daveH said at 9:55 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39731aa476fce11071b6ef60c17fbc72b6a0534f2ca12171e2d3bf63367ce34b.jpg

  258. 258 Someguy77 said at 9:56 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Just baffled by the Mils’ defenders. He is too slow to play outside. Period.

    He gets beat on just about any route and he made 1 play today in the red zone where his lack of speed is negated a bit.

    Maybe he can play slot or the S position but every team should target him early and often.

    Giants targeted ODB just 4 times in the 1st half and for some reason went to Marshall 6 times. As soon as they starting going to ODB in the 2nd half, they moved the ball and it opened up the run game.

    ODB would have had 100+ yards if they had gone more to him in the 1st half and likely won this game.

  259. 259 xeynon said at 10:00 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Nobody’s saying that Mills is anything great.

    Just that you could do a lot worse. And you can. We’ve had plenty of bad cornerbacks who don’t play hard, tackle, or bounce back from bad plays over the last decade here. Mills, though absolutely hampered by his physical limitations, does all of these things. I’ll take that over Nnamdi, DRC, Fletcher, McKelvin, etc.

  260. 260 Ark87 said at 10:03 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I wish DRC was half the guy for us as the guy he was before and after us. We were terrible from the executive level to the coaching level for about a decade when it came to the secondary. Jury is still out of we are going to rebound, but man I sure hope so.

  261. 261 Someguy77 said at 10:04 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    DRC played ok here in his only year here. Nnamdi just was a poor signing all around and arguably the worst high profile Eagles’ FA signing ever.

    McKelvin is hard to judge because he played one leg for almost the entire year. If Fletcher is the bar, that is a very low bar too.

  262. 262 D3FB said at 11:50 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    DRC was here for 2 seasons. He was awful in the slot in year 1, and was part of the “Mile Marker 22 & 23” CB crew the second go around

  263. 263 Will Ft. The Roots said at 10:10 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Why do people keep wanting to stick him in the slot? They have fast Slot Wrs too.

    He just isnt a match for ODB. 3/4 of all NFL CBs probably cant cover ODB one on one

  264. 264 Someguy77 said at 10:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Not just ODB. He gets routinely abused by the team’s opposing No 1 WR.

    Yeah they have fast slot WRs but he isn’t going to have to worry about that many times with guys just trying to get over the top on him.

    Robinson’s lack of speed got badly exposed a couple of times today on slant routes across the middle. He struggled mightily at times.

  265. 265 Someguy77 said at 10:00 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    If you had told me the Eagles would have 0 sacks and only 4 QB hurries today, I would have told you the Giants would have won this game by at least 7 .

  266. 266 P_P_K said at 10:06 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    If Sproles is down for any period of time, what’s your call: More Blount, Smallwood, or Clement?

  267. 267 Someguy77 said at 10:07 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Smallwood. He played well today given his opportunities.

    Pederson did do a nice job of mixing them all in though and keeping them fresh. This Giants’ defense was just flat out exhausted that last drive and the Eagles took it to them.

    One thing that gets lost in all of the shuffle about Pederson and his play calling is just about every week this team has a sizable lead in TOP.

    This week it was 37:32-22:38.

    Just about every game Pedeson has been here they wrack up yards and easily win the TOP.

  268. 268 daveH said at 10:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Chip said TOP don’t matter

  269. 269 Will Ft. The Roots said at 10:08 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Blount and then Clement or Smallwood. I think Smallwood might be the best receiving option

  270. 270 Ark87 said at 10:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Also the only one I saw put up a decent block. Blount is a big dude but I saw someone put him flat on his butt. That’s distressing.

    I say Smallwood should get the majority of Sproles snaps as he is the best rounded back. Had the best production today. Basically means he is the guy that is best suited to take the snaps in situations that we leaned on Sproles heavily.

    Still would like to make a point of giving Blount a non-zero sum of carries, yeesh.

  271. 271 ChoTime said at 10:33 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    They all had their moments.

  272. 272 Insomniac said at 10:39 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Blount needs like 15+ carries. I’m ok with giving the rest to Smallwood since I’m not overly impressed by Clement. Clement could spell Blount if he needs a longer breather.

  273. 273 Someguy77 said at 10:11 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    If the alternatives are this game plan or the KC one, I will take this one every week especially given the current state of the defense.

    Start Wiz at LG and rotation Smallwood and Blount with no more than 13-14 carries for each and mixing in Clement.

  274. 274 Flyin said at 10:21 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I hope the Redskins win tonight. And the young girl that sang the Star Spangled Banner gets a game ball. I detest those that disrespected her and the country as she sang her heart out. Mainly Raiders players were the most disrespectful, Think before how you protest.

  275. 275 Will Ft. The Roots said at 10:30 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Its a protest… its not really meant to appease to your sensibilities.

  276. 276 Flyin said at 11:07 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    So it represents irresponsibility?

  277. 277 Will Ft. The Roots said at 11:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Because you don’t like it? Its not even directed at you

  278. 278 Flyin said at 11:25 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It’s directed at my family which has shed blood to be were we are. My last image of my grandfather is a flag draped over his coffin.

  279. 279 ChoTime said at 11:29 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The American flag was not made for veterans, it was made for Americans. For me and Malcolm Jenkins and you and Colin Kaepernick. Respecting your grandfather and kneeling during the national anthem are not connected. I am sorry that you feel that your family owns the image and concept of the flag, but you do not. I respect that your grandfather served (most of the people in my family have also), but the NFL players’ protest is not related to his service.

  280. 280 Flyin said at 11:31 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Right. It is about the the country the flag represents and the people that gave their time and lives to protect this nation.

  281. 281 SteveH said at 12:12 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    What exactly are people doing to the flag that’s bothering you? Are they taking a shit on it in the middle of the anthem and I didn’t hear about it?

  282. 282 Flyin said at 12:20 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Pretty much.

  283. 283 Will Ft. The Roots said at 11:32 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Its not directed at your family… its not directed at the military. That’s already been said countless times. Its a social issue.

    And that’s why people have defended this country. If those American values aren’t upheld then the flag is just a piece of cloth anyway. I didn’t serve for a flag I served for it is supposed to stand for and that includes things that I dont always agree with.

    These players arent hurting anyone. They are attention to an issue.

  284. 284 D3FB said at 11:48 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    All the players want is for “with liberty and justice for all” to mean something.

  285. 285 or____ said at 11:52 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Uh, no.

  286. 286 anon said at 12:33 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    People are kneeling out of respect for those who had their blood shed.

    Not sure why this was characterized as disrespecting the flag. Doubt any of the players feel like their intent is disrespectful.

    There’s an interesting dichotomy in how people that celebrate other flags are treated as honoring heritage, but people kneeling during the national anthem is treason.

  287. 287 kajomo said at 10:36 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Maybe you should think about why they are protesting.

  288. 288 Flyin said at 11:06 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Maybe they should think about who they hurt with their protest. Take a minute and actually think for yourself for a moment.

  289. 289 kajomo said at 11:13 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It hurts absolutely nobody. This is an extremely passive protest. For all those people who claim to “love” America so much that they are outraged, they sure don’t want to respect the rights and freedoms afforded to all Americans. If you don’t like it don’t watch it. The league, the owners, and the players made it crystal clear today that they will not prevent any player from protesting in this manner.

    I personally am an Air Force veteran and have zero issues with the form of protest. They are bringing to light every day injustices and racism in this country. These players have every right to protest and I applaud them for doing so.

  290. 290 Flyin said at 11:16 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Not all veterans feel the same as you. Just because you feel one way does not make it right or acceptable.

  291. 291 laeagle said at 11:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Just because other veterans feel one way does not make it not alright or unacceptable.

  292. 292 kajomo said at 11:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    The same goes for your views. I’m not complaining about the players who elect not to protest. I am simply respecting the right for each individual to make the decision on their own. You are not.

  293. 293 Flyin said at 11:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I respect them making a statement, however, I do not respect them for being disrespectful. I think Malcom Jenkins has handled it in a pretty respectful way. Some of the other protesters not so much.

  294. 294 Will Ft. The Roots said at 11:26 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Kneeling?

    You do know that Americans burn flags, riot, and gathering outside public officials houses in the middle of the night.

  295. 295 Flyin said at 11:35 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    You do know NFL players are paid employees that are paid extremely high salaries. How do they achieve these high salaries… by fans spending money. If I have to witness disrespect to our country by trying to watch a frigging football game…that is marketing at it’s worse.

  296. 296 Will Ft. The Roots said at 11:36 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Dont watch! Go make a sandwich.

  297. 297 Flyin said at 11:37 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Did the Redskins win?

  298. 298 kajomo said at 11:37 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    So stop watching. Hit the league where it hurts. If you don’t care enough to take a stand maybe your issue isn’t that big of a deal.

  299. 299 Flyin said at 11:41 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I started my monetary stand on the NFL years ago. My spending has consistently gone down over the years with dollars and time spent.

  300. 300 kajomo said at 11:48 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Well if enough people feel the way you do maybe things will change. I think (and hope) you are in the minority on your views. My money is on people standing behind the players fighting for racial equality.

  301. 301 Flyin said at 11:51 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Racial equality I am all for. Some are doing it right and some are hurting the cause.

  302. 302 D3FB said at 11:47 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    But when the owners demand DOD payments for the grandstanding national salutes you weren’t going to quit watching football.

    Interesting.

  303. 303 Dude said at 2:15 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Then your beef is with the NFL/Fox. They’re the ones plastering the protest all over your screen. The players don’t sit in on Fox production meetings.

  304. 304 kajomo said at 11:27 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I suggest breaking it into 2 parts.

    1) the way they protest – obviously you are not a fan
    2) the issues that are protesting

    Too many people (including our president) are too caught up on #1 that they lose sight of #2. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

    I would think any ration person would prioritize #2. Nobody is dying because someone sits or kneels during the national anthem.

  305. 305 Flyin said at 11:48 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Kneeling really gets things done. Let’s all sit back and watch… not much happening, been over a year since Kap. Fuck it everyone kneel, now we’ll see something…

  306. 306 Tumtum said at 11:40 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    It is now a well intention-ed (for the most part) act. Didn’t start out that way. The guys who basically said they didn’t want to be American… yeah they can rot.

  307. 307 laeagle said at 11:14 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Let them know they hurt you and maybe they’ll do something different next time. Maybe they’ll apologize for hurting you.

  308. 308 Flyin said at 11:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    There are smart protesters and not so smart ones. Just like posters on this site. la

  309. 309 laeagle said at 11:18 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Hmm. You’ve really changed my mind. Everything is different.

  310. 310 or____ said at 11:49 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Are those same people hurt by a man proposing?

  311. 311 Sean Stott said at 12:31 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Feels kinda absurd to be lectured about social injustice by an organization who has a team called the Blackskins. Wait no, that would be offensive. They’re just Redskins.

  312. 312 kajomo said at 3:50 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    I agree they should change their name. The players are not the “league” however. They are employees the same as anyone else. The business they are employed by does not always represent their individual beliefs.

  313. 313 xeynon said at 11:46 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I’m sorry you feel the way you do, but this is America. Freedom of speech is our birthright and no form of protest is out of bounds if it is nonviolent/noncriminal.

  314. 314 Flyin said at 12:02 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    So you’re saying I still have the right to not support those who do not support America?

  315. 315 SteveH said at 12:08 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    You sure do. *shrug*

    I don’t think that the people protesting aren’t supporting America, but if that’s your interpretation of what’s happening you’re free to do what you want.

  316. 316 Flyin said at 12:16 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    I actually think the few that started this fiasco are the ones that disrespected America the most. This weekend the masses just jumped in like sheep. Look across the league and you can see those teams, coaches and players that actually had insightful talks about how to handle this weekend.

  317. 317 SteveH said at 12:30 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    You have a strange definition of fiasco my friend. I would contend that a fiasco would be the areas devastated by the recent hurricanes or the genocides in Africa or the Middle East. This obviously means a lot to you, but no one is being hurt by this.

  318. 318 Flyin said at 12:34 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Does Kap have a job?

  319. 319 ChoTime said at 2:27 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    There’s a point at which “Better to be silent and thought a fool, than open one’s mouth and eliminate all doubt” comes into play

  320. 320 CrackSammich said at 6:28 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    You’re really leaning hard on this scoreboard argument. Nobody is denying that the status quo remains the status quo. Big win for the team owners.

  321. 321 Insomniac said at 10:36 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    If we do insist on these random WR screens, can we at least get someone who is fast and is able to break tackles? We don’t really have that on the roster now that Sproles might be out.

  322. 322 Will Ft. The Roots said at 10:38 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I think Doug think he has Andy’s roster with Hill and DAT.

  323. 323 ChoTime said at 10:40 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    “I understand why people are offended by people protesting the national anthem,” Eagles wide receiver Torrey Smith said. “My father served 25 years. When he dies, he’s going to be wrapped in an American flag. But my dad is also out of the Army, and he drives trucks all over the country, and he’s a black man everywhere he goes, and sometimes he has racial incidents still today. That doesn’t protect him, just because he served our country. And I think that’s important.”

  324. 324 Will Ft. The Roots said at 10:45 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    IMHO just kneeling. In the history of America this might be the most passive and respectful from of demonstration/protest we have ever seen.

    Everyone offended by people kneeling for 90 seconds would have had a heart attack during the 60s.

  325. 325 Dude said at 2:05 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    I’m a Marine vet. I mention that solely because I don’t want anyone getting offended on my behalf. It doesn’t entitle me to some blanket respect during the national anthem. Same goes for cops, firefighters, dog catchers, postal carriers, and that construction guy on the turnpike who just leans on his shovel all day. The national anthem belongs to all of us the same.

    I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I’m relatively certain nobody ever joined the military, sacrificed their lives, or earned the Medal of Honor because they care about people standing at a football game. This whole narrative of “protests mean you don’t respect (x)” just needs to die. I swear if I hear one more person say, “But people fought and died…,” I’m gonna melt their face off. They fought and died to kill Nazis, not to regulate anthem behavior.

    Personally, I love the protest. I love to see people exercise their rights, especially when it’s not popular. I love the way they’re going about it. I support their cause (via internet comments, the true frontier).

    What I don’t understand, not fully at least, is why they’re still broadcasting the anthem that way. It’s all closeups on the protesters. Like, before the game the Fox production team gets together and they identify the players who will be protesting. Then they place a cameraman right in their lap, and then they dedicate that opening portion of the broadcast to covering the protest. If this is really hurting the ratings, like I’ve been hearing, then why are they giving it so much camera time? If it’s really hurting the brand and the bottom line, then why aren’t they sticking with wide shots of the stadium? Focus on any one of the fifty service men/women who are holding the flag. Pan the crowd. Show the flyover. Why are they broadcasting their own anti-commercial, so to speak? Why start every single game with the most divisive sports moment In the last couple of decades? I’m getting a concussion just thinking about it. I’m gonna go wag my dog. I mean walk my dog.

  326. 326 Neil said at 4:31 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    To your last paragraph, even if it could possibly be hurting ratings, which I personally doubt, this sort of controversy creates clicks on news stories and opinion pieces, and time spent arguing in comment sections etc. All places where advertisers get to advertise. Whether you think you are happy with the product or not, What really matters for the bottom line is how much time you spend thinking about and consuming it.

  327. 327 ChoTime said at 12:07 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    Thanks for sharing your perspective.

    The networks know where their bread is buttered. I can only surmise they think it’s newsworthy. Maybe they feel it’s a story/narrative that simply can’t be ignored. After all, to ignore such the players’ bold statement would be making their own kind of statement, in a way saying, “no, your lives don’t matter.”

  328. 328 SteveH said at 12:47 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    Sly wag the dog reference.

    My closest friend is a marine, jingoistic stuff drives him crazy as well.

  329. 329 Will Ft. The Roots said at 11:04 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Anyone hear anything about injuries? Guy at Philly voice says Sproles has a broken wing.

  330. 330 kajomo said at 11:22 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    If true I wonder if he decides to come back next year much like Steve Smith did when he got hurt in Baltimore.

  331. 331 Tumtum said at 11:34 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    We need to find a RB off the street. Smallwood is garbage, and Blount shouldn’t be the only option.

  332. 332 Will Ft. The Roots said at 11:35 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    They all looked fine today when they werent getting hit in the backfield

  333. 333 Tumtum said at 11:36 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    They had a nice day. Sure. We really need to get another body in here.

  334. 334 Will Ft. The Roots said at 11:44 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I think 3 RBs is enough.

  335. 335 Tumtum said at 10:06 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Not feeling great. I guess we gotta give them a shot.

  336. 336 Dude said at 2:17 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    The draft is only a few months away.

  337. 337 kajomo said at 11:44 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Smallwood is not garbage. He runs hard and has really improved his Blitz pick up. Not sure he’s a starter, but he is a quality rotational guy.

    Blount looked like he tried today. Too often he just goes through the motions. Not getting any carries last week lit a fire under him.

  338. 338 anon said at 12:26 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    He can’t get any rhythm. It’s clear pederson has some favorites. Putting wiz into the lineup helped a bunch. I also like the rookie that scored the td. Ut mainly Blount should get the rock.

  339. 339 Tumtum said at 10:08 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Like Blount said when a reporter asked him after the game if he gave it a little more: yeah more opportunities.

  340. 340 D3FB said at 11:44 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    We still have 3RBs which is the normal amount.

    If they want a scat back type just style wise, fine but otherwise you’re no going to go get anybody who is any better than the meh group we’ve got.

  341. 341 SteveH said at 12:06 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    What’s Henry Josey doing these days.

  342. 342 Tumtum said at 10:07 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Probably right. I’be just always really not liked smallwood.

  343. 343 D3FB said at 2:23 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    Oh I’m no Smallwood guy. He runs like Ray Charles. You’re still not going to find much of an improvement on the street.

  344. 344 Sean Stott said at 12:16 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Broken wrist on Sproles. Very good news should only miss a few weeks.

  345. 345 DJH said at 11:23 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Al Michaels is so disgusted with the Raiders on this Sunday night game. It’s hilarious.

  346. 346 Insomniac said at 11:37 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    How does everyone feel about Alshon so far?

  347. 347 ChoTime said at 11:40 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Underwhelmed.

  348. 348 Will Ft. The Roots said at 11:40 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I think Carson has missed some chances with AJ. He hasnt turned into Randy Moss but his numbers would look a lot better if Wentz hit on some plays.

    Im ready to give Hollins a legit shot at playing time. Maybe at the expense of Torrey

  349. 349 Tumtum said at 12:14 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    I think Torrey is giving you exactly what you expected. (I agree about Mack though.) A lot of what he is doing isn’t on the stat sheet. He is dropping the ball about like you would expect. Getting open a nice amount. Drawing coverage. I am quite happy with him compared to what we had last year.

  350. 350 Insomniac said at 12:42 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    The deep ball has continued to be Wentz’s huge flaw. I think Doug needs to mix things up to work for Alshon.

  351. 351 kajomo said at 11:41 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    I think we will sign him to a fairly reasonable extension. He is looking like a solid starting WR, but not a star

  352. 352 Insomniac said at 12:40 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    If he continues to produce at the same rate then yea he’ll be a lot cheaper than expected. At the same time he might want to maximize his earnings. Who knows though, if we make the playoffs then maybe he’ll give us a discount.

  353. 353 D3FB said at 11:42 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    Good not great. He’s a professional WR, but hasn’t made enough of the tough catches yet.

    If they had to give him a big contract tomorrow it would be a tough call.

    Hopefully as the season moves on things smooth out.

  354. 354 Tumtum said at 12:14 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Easy call for me 🙂

  355. 355 meteorologist said at 12:17 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Jay Cutler called Devante Parker a faster Alshon Jeffery so..

  356. 356 anon said at 12:24 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Torrey Smith makes him look like an all star

  357. 357 xeynon said at 11:43 PM on September 24th, 2017:

    He’s not T.O. and we’re seeing why he’s a second tier feature receiver.

    He is, however, a vast improvement over what we had last year.

  358. 358 Tumtum said at 12:12 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Pretty much what I expected. He is aight.

  359. 359 Sean Stott said at 12:17 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Every time I look at him he is double teamed.

  360. 360 Mitchell said at 12:30 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    I am pleased so far. I think things heat up as the season progresses.

  361. 361 SteveH said at 12:31 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Not quite as good as I hoped so far, but maybe if he and Wentz get the chemistry going things will improve as the year goes on.

  362. 362 Insomniac said at 12:39 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    It was also a tough stretch of CBs to go up against so far but it does get a bit better after this week. We’ll see.

  363. 363 Flyin said at 12:41 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Well maybe if their monetary wages were more equal they could see eye to eye better. Due to the fact that Ashlon is getting paid more than Wentz creates a disconnect.

  364. 364 Sean Stott said at 12:42 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    You’re kind of looking for people to argue with lol

  365. 365 Flyin said at 12:48 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Just standing my ground.

  366. 366 Sean Stott said at 12:54 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    I mean… you tried to bait people with the income inequality thing. It couldn’t have been more obvious

  367. 367 xeynon said at 11:14 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    It’s ironic that the people criticizing the players protesting are saying “keep politics out of sports” and then come here and drag the discussion off topic by injecting politics.

  368. 368 Tumtum said at 1:06 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    You drinkin?

  369. 369 Dude said at 2:19 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    The red-tie cool aide.

  370. 370 Flyin said at 12:26 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Respect…
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb861f51498550d5de1085782842026700ee0291ccf1a0b0c9740f41f2c2d393.jpg

  371. 371 Tumtum said at 1:03 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    He could be here 🙁

  372. 372 Guy Media said at 4:59 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Playing where and in place of whom?

  373. 373 CrackSammich said at 5:58 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Without a shred of irony, the Right is holding up the Hispanic guy as the arbiter of patriotism.

  374. 374 SteveH said at 12:44 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    He looks whitish though, that counts for a lot. When people talk about deporting Mexicans they’re not talking about people who look like Louis CK.

  375. 375 SteveH said at 12:36 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    So now that the adrenaline has finally worn off and I can think about what happened, the way the Giants attacked us was both predictable and impossible to really do much about it.

    The Giants were going to throw short and fast to neutralize our pass rush and their shitty pass protection. Typically, you’d say play press and force him to the hold the ball then right? But our injuries had us in a bind. The soft coverage was frustrating to everyone, but really it was designed to prevent plays like what happened with Stirling Sheppard’s long TD.

    For most of the game the plan was working, but I think it got even worse once Hicks was out, as he is an excellent pass defending linebacker.

    Chris Maragos is really just not someone you want on the field at safety unless its an emergency, but we didn’t have much choice but to play him all game.

    I just hope we start getting some guys back this week, because we can’t sustain winning with these injuries piling up.

  376. 376 Tumtum said at 1:04 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    They dinked and dunked their way to a loss. If we had even Watkin (i just threw up in my mouth a little), it wouldn’t have been such a close game.

  377. 377 SteveH said at 12:44 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    At a very minimum any combination of Watkins/Mcleod/Graham not being injured stops the Stirling Shepard TD.

  378. 378 Tumtum said at 1:57 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    Probably right.

  379. 379 ChoTime said at 2:25 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Yep, this is the blueprint, and the injuries made it feel like Groundhog Day from last year. Ertz’s fumble really hurt, too. Getting a W on a day like this is a very fine thing.

  380. 380 Masked Man said at 12:59 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Hey everybody! Coming up next:
    @Chargers
    Cardinals
    @Panthers
    Redskins
    Forty-Niners
    Broncos
    Bye
    A win in one of these two upcoming road games, plus three out of four of these home games… That would make for a strong record of 6-3 before the Bye.

  381. 381 Sean Stott said at 1:08 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    Anyone going to LA? How pricy are the tickets?

  382. 382 Masked Man said at 1:20 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    That’s a great road trip. I will be enjoying instant replays on the old flat screen TV though.

  383. 383 FairOaks said at 9:30 AM on September 25th, 2017:

    We are going to need to get healthy though. Neither of the wins were dominant, and we are going to need some of those.

  384. 384 SteveH said at 12:57 PM on September 25th, 2017:

    The Chargers are up and down, the Cardinals are a shell of their former selves, the Panthers don’t scare anyone and they might be down their top 2 offensive weapons, the Redskins we can beat, Niners should be a cakewalk (trap game maybe?), the Broncos do scare me, their offense is nasty when clicking and their D can be stifling.

    I would favor us in all but the Broncos game, but that depends on injuries too.