More on Warmack
Posted: September 4th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 107 Comments »Chance Warmack made the Eagles roster. He also got an extension.
The #Eagles 1-year extension for G Chance Warmack is worth up to $5M, source said. The base value is $2.5M — big jump from $ 1.51M in 2017.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) September 4, 2017
On the surface, that seems crazy, but the Eagles do have a plan.
They haven’t made this public, but if you study their actions the plan is to move Isaac Seumalo to C next year and then Warmack will compete for the LG spot. By giving him a deal structured this way, it sure seems like they think Warmack would be the LG.
Warmack was a terrific prospect coming out of Alabama. I had him as my top rated OG and he was taken 10th overall. He started 46 of the first 48 games he played. Warmack had some good moments, but was inconsistent. He only started two games in 2016 and got hurt. He didn’t play well when he was healthy so the Titans let him walk.
The Eagles signed him for depth and as a reclamation project for OL coach Jeff Stoutland, who had coached Warmack at ‘Bama. The hope was that reuniting with the coach who got the most out of him would make a big difference.
Warmack played LG and RG this summer. He was up and down. He is a good run blocker, using his size and strength to control defenders and get movement off the ball. Pass protection is where he struggles. Warmack can look really good when he’s playing with balance and gets his hands on the defender. He has 34 3/4-inch arms and can use that length to keep rushers from getting into his body.
The pass protection struggles are due to a couple of issues. Warmack doesn’t always use good footwork. He can get off-balance and then ends up reaching for the defender. That negates his size and strength. Warmack also doesn’t always use his hands well. He has a bad habit of grabbing the rusher. That leads to holding penalties and missed blocks.
If the Eagles can clean up his pass blocking by next spring, Warmack could be a solid starter. There are no guarantees that will happen, but he is a talented player. This isn’t a complete reach.
.@chancewarmack and Stefen Wisniewski run a clinic on how to execute a combo block..shoulder2shoulder and foot2foot..this is a beautiful pic.twitter.com/N5u01IMcaP
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) August 18, 2017
Good job by the LG (Warmack it looks like) to get a push. Clement finishes pic.twitter.com/IjttCkxtSY
— Tyler Jackson (@TjackRH) August 18, 2017
Chance Warmack (RG) pancakes Mike Daniels. Run gets blown up bc Celek & Seumalo. pic.twitter.com/348BHVazEx
— Kyle (@IgglesNest) August 11, 2017
Shot 11 – Rookies RBs got a lot of work. Variety of runs in the playbook, all were open for them. Decisiveness on display by Clement here x4 pic.twitter.com/0FeJIQAyKm
— Fran Duffy (@fduffy3) August 25, 2017
Doug Pederson likes big, physical OL. Warmack is exactly the kind of blocker he wants. I prefer more athletic OL, but I do appreciate that Pederson has a specific type of player he wants. That indicates a plan, a philosophy, the kind of long term thinking I like in a coach.
Time will tell if the plan for Warmack was smart or simply chasing the past.
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I haven’t addressed the Mike Lombardi-Doug Pederson comments yet.
Brandon Lee Gowton has Lombardi’s comments here.
Lombardi is a blow-hard who says over the top things to get attention. Frankly, I don’t understand why people keep giving him a job. There are times when he says things that are factually incorrect. He rarely offers truly insightful comments.
His comments on Pederson leave out a lot of key points. The team declined as the season went on…it almost seemed to coincide with the Lane Johnson suspension. Hmm. All Lombardi saw was the losing streak (9 of 11). God forbid you put any context into your research.
There are plenty of reasons to be critical of Pederson and I’ve got concerns on whether he’s good enough to help the Eagles become a serious contender, but Lombardi’s comments are dumb.
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Sometimes, you just gotta take a Chance.
I’m jealous; congrats.
Especially when you strap em up to go to war, Mack.
That fruit was hanging so low, it was brushing the ground. Nevertheless, upvoted.
Well said
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So, you’re telling me there’s a Chance??!
Takeachancetakeachance takeachance chance chance
Getting Seumalo into center for as many years as we can keep him on that rookie deal is really good cap management if we’re subtracting Kelce’s cap hit and adding one for a rookie.
Personally, why wait until 2018. Put Kelce on the bench and start the process this year. Warmack may be a better guard than Kelce is a center. Semaulo is absolutely an upgrade over Kelce.
To quote John Madden, you could put a bag of nickels at center and be ok. I think he said that during one of his rants about Hank “Honeybuns” Fraley.
Not just losing Lane Johnson, but losing a ton of people on the OL in general. We were operating with a MASH unit at OL for half the season and still finished it out 7-9.
Pederson might not work out but there was nothing about last year that made me think he was a major problem. I actually give him some credit for getting us as far as we did, considering the circumstances. Quality wins over Pittsburgh and Atlanta in meaningful games? Doesn’t sound like a team with a headless chicken for a leader at all.
There were some bad losses too, we did finish 7-9 and lost 9 of the last 11. That is a pretty bad run and it was more than just the LJ suspension. It was a flawed team certainly, but Pederson’s play calling, game planning and in-game adjustments were far from consistent. We need to see improvement in those areas with the better personnel.
His play calling is somewhat consistent. Did it always produce like the way we wanted to? No, but not all of it was his fault.
Agreed, not all his fault since execution of the plays is on the players on the field although they need to be prepared properly by the coaches. However, there is room for improvement in the play calling. It’s a process.
An interesting thing to watch will be how well they perform in no huddle vs huddle. If Wentz calls better plays than the coach then maybe just let him call his own plays all the time.
Yeah, I don’t know. You flip the switch “the wrong way” when you lose a top QB, not when you lose a pretty good RT.
Basically, the league figured the Eagles out, and they had no counter. But they ended up around where they deserved, anyway.
We lost more OL than just a pretty good RT though. Anyone else remember 4th option RT Matt Tobin with a sprained MCL on the last drive against the Redskins?
I don’t put much stock in the league “figuring us out” either. The OL got real shaky, Wentz regressed some in his mechanics, Nelson Agholor had a meltdown… There was a lot going on there.
Yeah, but that’s life in the NFL. We’ve actually had borderline freakish good health.
Once teams realized the offense was just short passes to crappy receivers, yeah I think they got figured out. Once teams realized the eagles CBs were awful and our DL was great, they adjusted.
We didn’t have a counter for either move. We seem to have improved in both areas.
The ability of our players dictated small ball on the O.
No amount of scheming was going to fix the CBs last year. And Doug hired a good DC and allowed him to run his scheme. Not really sure what Doug did wrong on D last year.
I don’t know that he did anything wrong. The ability of your players dictates what you can do (you can’t polish a turd). Some say he was too aggressive on his playcalls, but I disagree. The smart play for a weak team is to take chances. The strong team can play by the numbers, because it has the advantage on every play.
How dumb are NFL teams that it takes 6 weeks to realize the Eagles offense would be short passes to cappy receivers?
It’s probably a simplification of what happened.
Tommy tends to error on the side of being polite. Good to see him call a spade a spade.
Dear Mike Lombardi,
Your grade: F
Your comment is childish and unsubstantiated. Those are not thoughtful words of an informed writer presenting an intelligent position. If you hope to be a professional commentator or journalist, you will need to present your case with greater clarity and depth.
signed, your Professor in Journalism 101
I’m channeling Jim Mora: “Journalism!!…JOURNALISM??? Are you kidding me??….JOURNALISM???? I’m not sure he can write a paragraph…
I read a comment on Twitter earlier today that said that in the last 3 years, Lombardi went from the NFL front office, to the NFL Network, to FS1, to The Ringer. He’s washed up.
Dear PPK,
I have it on good authority that the qualities you like so much aren’t what sells.
Signed,
Peter King, Steven A. Smith, Bill Simmons
The journalism professor and the marketing professor are seldom in agreement.
Word, Lombardi is a hack and it’s been well documented through his stays in the league.
Yup, both Peters and Kelce are going to be up soon. So, Warmack to LG with Seumalo shifting to C, Johnson to LT and Big V to RT seems to be the plan as of now.
Not sure they are planning the Peters switch next year, to be honest. That may be a wait-and-see on how good Peters is this year. But the Kelce could surprise as well, but they are making sure they have a contingency in place. Sounds like Pederson does not want Kelce, though if Peters is still playing at a high level, I’m sure he’s fine there.
At age 35 with the recent injury history, Peters should be on one year decision cycles IMO. I agree it may not be next year, but they have LJ and Big V when they are needed. In the meantime, they get to test if Big V is the future RT they want.
Either way, in likely 2 seasons, the OL will change 4 spots if that plan is real. I cannot remember how long Brooks’ contract runs for, but he stays at RG under this scenario.
I’m surprised JP held up as well as he did last year. I’m not expecting him to stick around in 2018 but I’m wrong a lot.
Peters could probably play until 40.
I suspect that Johnson to LT and Vaitai to RT is a contingency plan, and could happen. But looking at the Eagles template since Lurie bought the team, I expect them to do everything in their power via FA or trade to bring in an elite talent, hopefully good enough to replace Peters at LT so they can leave Johnson at RT.
I think Johnson is definitely the LT of the future, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see us snatch the top FA tackle.
Howie is playing moneyball with these guys on one year deals. I like it.
Think the move is great, regardless of outcome. Only thing that would have made it better is finding a way to con his agent into signing a 2 year extension.
There is no 2018 guaranteed money, so if he under performs you just cut him after camp or force him to taker a paycut. If he is able to be a starter then you get him for a bargain contract in 2018. Not only that but if he has a good camp you can probably get a longer term contract signed before the start of the season at a bargain rate.
If there is 0 guarantee, then why do they even sign? Essentially you are just giving the Eagles the right to squat on you even if they know they are gonna cut you.
Maybe it makes it easier to get a loan.
Sort of a scary thought.
Stuff like those Lombardi quotes are why I don’t bother paying attention to national sports media anymore.
Why limited it to just ignoring “sports” media?
Most of my typical media is also of the local variety. Unfortunately, I do have to read some national/international stuff to stay up to date.
Primary sources are always better than some talking heads interpretation of what was said. If you read the actual statement you don’t have it filtered thru a third party’s lenses.
Hey thanks, Dad. Would have never known that without you.
Just because you and I have been fortunate enough to be exposed to a good education does not mean that everyone has in today’s world. There well could be other readers who may benefit from hearing this. No need to take it personally.
Sorry to sound annoyed. Just come here to escape that sort of discussion.
I hate the way Lombardi had to pepper in a tryhard Trump insult. What a tool.
Trump sucks. That was the only redeeming part of his comments.
You really should respect the opinions of the literally millions of retards that voted for Trump.
2 sketchy nonrespected candidates bringing out the full retard in the entire nation.
Hopefully Trump does to Wash DC what the Sex Pistols did to music … (not what Chip did to the Eagles)
So let’s see if I can sum up: we all think Lombardi doesn’t know anything about football ( a field he’s worked in for over 30 yrs) but the 2 of you think he’s a political heavy-weight ( where he has no gravitas). Huh?
It doesn’t really take a political heavyweight to recognize the fact that the President of the United States is an absolute moron.
I didn’t realize you could become President as an absolute moron. That’s even more impressive if true.
You aren’t alone.
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/904866718039760896
Same polling that predicted a Hillary win? What was it, 98% or something?
Nope. Polling predicted that if you ran the election 100 times Hillary would 72 of them. The polls projected the popular vote accurately.
Polling continued to be very good in the last election. The way people understand them continues to be flawed.
See WSJ’s column by Peggy Noonan on why pollsters & analysts are regularly getting it wrong in today’s world. To win NY, MA, & CA by whopping margins means nothing if one losses in most of the remaining states. If you go 16-0 in your division but lose in the SB, you still lost, no matter how you spin it.
Two reasons embedded in your reply why “democracy” and “representation” in the US are farce. 1) the all too easy sports analogy. 2) more importantly -the 3/5 value of people in NY, MA & CA. America is phony AF.
It’s a republic w/ an electoral college. Learn the rules of the game before you complain!
I understand the rules. I understand what “republic” means and I’m not dumb enough to go around saying “republic not a democracy! LOLZ!”.
A “republic” is a government that reflects the people (res publica). The United States is clearly not a republic despite what you choose to believe.
My copy of the Federalist Papers must be different than your copy.
I’m sure Hamilton, Madison and Jay would be totally into doubling down on a dysfunctional system which alienated 70% of the population.
Dysfunctional system is apt. Which in he view of many is why the election went the way it did.
Not going to argue that at all.
My point here is that the polls were -by and large- accurate. This is not a political point, but one of fact.
The two of twelve major polls which pegged Trump as the presumptive winner were actually farther off from the vote tally than the others. These are just facts.
Now you can say people read the polls wrong -that’s a valid position. But they read them based on the information they had based on about a century of demographics. Even with that, pure numbers people like Nate Silver still forecast a 30% chance of a Trump victory. You give me 30% on a longshot I’ll take that bet.
Back to the point -the polling wasn’t wrong. Our reading of the information in the light of the rigged system was wrong.
The polling was completely wrong. Trump won in a landslide.
You clearly don’t understand what you’re talking about.
Go back and read the polling. Look at the archives on the 538. They got the vote totals right. They modeled dozens of scenarios and found Trump winning around 30% of them. The election fell into one of those scenarios.
Don’t blame the polling when you don’t like it, don’t say the polling is wrong because you’re listening to pundits who don’t understand it, don’t claim to understand it when you clearly have made no effort.
Polling is a sampling of those expected to vote based on previous election expedience. Pollsters missed a whole group who hadn’t been voting lately, were feeling ignored by both parties, and were motivated to make changes. So they backed a non-traditional candidate. Many see this as exactly the same thing as 8 years ago with Obama. He was a freshman Senator with limited experience. But people wanted a change.
But the polls got the numbers right. They said Trump could win in the fashion he did. They said Clinton would get 2 million more votes -she did.
The problem is not with the polls, your “group that hadn’t been voting” STILL didn’t vote in the election. Turnout was lower than ever -again, not a representative republic by any stretch.
You really do live in ignorant darkness. Sad!
I can completely understand hating Hillary. She was so unlikeable and the democrats grossly underestimated how much Americans would mistrust her.
That said I do not understand how anyone can think Trump is a quality president. The guy is a joke, a bigot, and just flat out the wrong guy for America right now. I swear republicans back him, not because of who he is, but simply the party he represents. To me that is idiotic. (And I’m not a democrat btw.)
It’s like loving Casey Matthews just because he wears an eagles uniform. He was unqualified, lacked ability, and sucked as our starting MLB. We as “eagles nation” hated that guy. I wish our contry could have such unity.
The problem is that a large number of people hate the USA because of Trump, and they’re expressing it with violence, vandalism, and general belligerence. That’s like a “fan” hating the Eagles because Casey Matthews is on the team. That’s really where we were. And while we need to respect those who want to replace the crappy linebacker, I will never respect anyone who wants to set my home on fire.
“I swear republicans back him, not because of who he is, but simply the party he represents.”
Actually, that is not idiotic (in this case, it may be, but not as a general rule). Informed, or even semi-informed voters understand that the party platform represents their interests to a far more reliable degree that the vagaries of what they may think they know about an individual. Parties have consistent stances on the issues. If you care about global warming, separation of religion and government, reproductive rights, and social safety nets, you need to be voting Dem, regardless of whether the candidate happens to have much charisma. If you care about keeping the current power structure, strong-talking blustery authority figures, pro-business policies, and keeping minorities in their place, you should vote Rep, even if Garrison Keillor goes Red.
People who don’t understand statistics shouldn’t talk about them.
“Absolute” is probably a bit strong, don’t you think. While I applaud your taste in sports sites (namely this one), perhaps one should consider widening one’s sources of other news. It could be enlightening, just like this one is on football.
Can’t wait for him to reduce corporate tax rate from 35% to 15%. That will be like getting 30% more net income. Doesn’t suck to me.
if he hurts everyone else and corrupts the office but you make more money, then it’s great I guess.
As if you don’t operate on a daily basis in your own interest.
I’ve never heard of a leftist complaining he makes too much money. Because if you think you do, the way to solve the problem is to become a philanthropist, not demand that the government take other people’s money. It’s sociopathic.
I’m not worried about Pederson because if he sucks, you fire him. The Eagles have a structure now that doesn’t completely revolve around and depend on their head coach. They’d still have Roseman making deals and Joe Douglas running personnel and possibly even still have Schwartz running the defense.
This structure may not appeal to some prospective head coach candidates in the future, but I don’t want a head coach that can’t work in this system. I don’t want a head coach that’s going to come in and blow everything up leading to another rebuild, then another rebuild when that guy gets fired.
While the current setup makes Pederson expendable, it also puts him in a position to succeed by trimming his list of responsibilities. All he really has to worry about is the offense.
It’s a super weird set-up. Pederson is the weakest (by authority) HC in the league.
No that is Jason Garrett by far.
Garrett has — at minimum — a degree of seniority.
Vance Joseph? Could name a few others. If there is a strong GM with a relatively new coach, the coach is not going to have much personnel authority. It’s not *that* weird of a setup.
Elway is a bigger fish than Roseman, but point taken.
Todd Bowles
Poor Todd!
Understand the rationale behind the Womack extension but it strikes me way too much as a move where Roseman is enamored way too with the ‘high profile’ guy.
Finding is a starting G isn’t easy but not that impossible either.
C’mon, he’s being coached by his college coach who now has several years of pro experience. I think Roseman/Douglas have an informed opinion of Warmack’s potential. It’s not like they gave him a Vinny Curry deal.
Potential based on his time at Alabama? He was below average to terrible in Tennessee. It wasn’t like he had to deal with health-related issues or a scheme that was necessary ill-suited for his ability.
Just has been a lousy pro for 4 years and the Eagles suddenly think they can turn into a decent starting G? I wouldn’t bet on it.
Pats tried the same with Cooper last year. He stunk in preseason, got past on the depth chart, and the Pats never looked back releasing him on Oct 8th.
Cooper and Warmack just keep getting opportunities because they were drafted in the Top 10, had impressive college resumes/game tape, and did well at the combines.
That was 5+ years ago though which is a lifetime in the NFL. Neither is that old but neither has ever amounted to anything in the NFL either.
Just another lesson on being weary of drafting a G with a Top 10 pick.
That’s what I thought too when they originally signed him, but then the Eagles offered him a one year extension so it looks like they disagree.
I didn’t even know there was a position for hot country singer on the team. I, for one, applaud this move.
The last time we hired an unqualified coach, he was barely a QB coach for the Packers. How did that work out?
The last time we hired a super qualified football genius, he was going to revolutionized the NFL with his uptempo offense. How did that work out?
That’s a good point, DE. It’s about the man. Not the resume of the man.
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Off topic: So theAthletic.com/Philly went live today. The first couple of articles by Kapadia and Wulf have been quite good. It is a pay site which I hate (in$ider is awful) but I have faith in Kapadia to provide excellent articles.
i’m waiting to hear more about this before i jump in. do they offer some kind of free preview week or something like that?
It seems the first couple of articles are not behind the pay wall and the also offer a 7 day free trial
https://theathletic.com/philly/
i’ll have to bookmark it to come back later. I’m hoping to check out some post-game highlights/reviews as part of the 7-day trial.
I *think* they’ll give you 30 days for a reduced price.
They are offering the first month for $1, so that would include four sets of post-game articles and such…
Not sure if getting that rules out the $12/year plan, which is also currently being offered (much cheaper than the $5/month price I saw being talked about). That supposedly includes a 30-day free trial too, so that might be your best bet.
looking at https://theathletic.com/plans/?source=header
all i see are two options – $8/month (monthly) or $4/month (annually) [$48/year]
am i missing a different subscription page? $12/year is pretty close to impulse buy territory
by going to one of the pages, i see a $1/month thing. But if i click subscribe/choose this plan/whatever, it tells you this:
“Your card will be charged a sum of $47.99 for a annual 30d for $1 subscription. ”
so now im just confused.
Also, theyre ripping you off by $0.11. $3.99 x 12 is only $47.88. weird…(not that 11c really matters lol)
The offer I saw was at the bottom of Sheil’s Derek Barnett article (I assume it only shows up if you don’t already have a subscription). I took a screenshot (below).
It’s misleading, though. Once you click through it does indeed list $60 as being the whole year price. Not sure if it’s a poorly-worded ad or an attempt to mislead potential customers…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8020a4f975815aeab19445aa31966bb2994d7644c2ffb6bfff3dc2e7c3a82a8e.jpg
I paid because I love reading all of the Philly writers and I already paid $3 for Derek Bodner’s Patreon