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Posted: October 13th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 461 Comments »On the road. Short week. NFC opponent with 4-1 record. Questionable officiating.
The Eagles had a lot to deal with and they showed a national TV audience just how tough this team is. They won a tough, physical game where both teams really battled. This game had the feel of January football. There was a lot of sloppy play, but I think the short week was responsible for some of that.
This wasn’t the prettiest win. The Eagles had so many chances to put the game away and just couldn’t do it. You do have to give some credit to the Panthers. They’ve got a strong core of players that has won a lot of games in the past few years. Those guys don’t quit and Cam Newton can make spectacular plays.
Somehow, the Eagles came up with an answer every time they had to have one.
This team is learning how to be good right before our eyes. They showed us hints last year, but couldn’t put things together. This team is more talented and experienced. It is also deeper, which was crucial tonight with injuries causing problems throughout the game. The Eagles were competitive in 2016. They are finding ways to win in 2017. They are 5-1.
The run defense was incredible tonight. A quick glance at the stat sheet shows Carolina with 80 rushing yards. But Cam Newton had 71 of those. The rest of the team had 14 carries for 9 yards. That is some serious run D. The Eagles front seven just dominated the line of scrimmage and hit RBs in the backfield over and over and over.
The D-line showed how good they can be in this game. There weren’t gaudy sack numbers, but Cam Newton threw 52 passes and only completed 28 and only got 239 yards. That is less than 5 yards per pass attempt. The Eagles collapsed the pocket over and over and over. Cam got loose and ran on some plays. He also got hit as he threw and that led to some errant passes, one of which Rasul Douglas picked off. That pick set up a TD that tied the game and the Eagles never looked back from there.
Fletcher Cox drove his blocker back into Newton to affect that throw and create the turnover. Cox had missed the last 2.5 games and he proved to be a difference maker tonight. I don’t know if the Eagles win without him. He pushed the pocket over and over and over.
Nigel Bradham had a huge game for the defense. He was in on 10 tackles, had a TFL and 2 PDs. Several of his tackles came on 3rd down situations and he got the runner or receiver down short of the sticks. Those might as well be takeaways. They get the ball back to the offense. Bradham was all over the field and that was important with Jordan Hicks missing due to an ankle injury. Mychal Kendricks got a lot of playing time and led the team with 15 total tackles. Good thing the Eagles didn’t dump him for a late round pick in the spring. Kendricks has been terrific this year.
It is easy to look at the Eagles offense and think they had an off game, but then you remember that Carolina was 3rd in defense coming into this game. The Eagles finished with 310 yards and 28 points, and did all of that without Lane Johnson. Halapoulivaati Vaitai started at RT. He made some mistakes, but played well enough for the offense to move the ball and score points.
Carson Wentz was up and down, as the Panthers blitz got to him early on. That led to some quick decisions and bad throws. Wentz still was pretty good on 3rd downs and the Eagles were 2 for 2 in the Red Zone. You don’t have to be perfect if you make enough key plays. Every time it felt like the game might be slipping away, Wentz made a big throw.
Eagles WRs combined to go 12-186-1 and they made some big plays. Alshon Jeffery delivered a 37-yard reception down the left sideline. Nelson Agholor caught a short pass over the middle and turned that into a 24-yard TD.
And I think we have to give Jake Elliott some credit. He was 2 for 2 on FGs, but I think his presence has an affect on the team. Anytime the ball crosses midfield, it feels like the Eagles are in scoring territory. It’s like having an Easy Button for the offense. All you need is a play or two to get to midfield and you think you’re in range. We’ve seen teams in the past where you needed to get to the 25-yard line to be comfortable.
This game presented a lot of tough questions and the Eagles were able to come up with the right answers. They are now 5-1 and have a couple of extra days to get rested up before they start getting ready for a rematch with the Skins.
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It gets even crazier when you realize that 8 out of those 9 rushing yards were on an end around, the Carolina running backs were 13 carries for 1 yard all game. Just dominant run D.
15-1 Super Bowl
“You want answers! I’ll give you answers…”
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lmfao
would be better if wentz didnt look goofy AF lol
In general, that’s true, but oh well
I know but he is kinda goofy looking in real life lol
Yo, Cam should start wearing a cape during pregame. Go full heel.
And hopefully somebody could light it on fire.
Carson Wentz would never do something so ill-mannered.
Team showed a lot of heart today. I dont think they win this game last year.
Heck, they don’t win the Chargers or Skins games with last year’s team either. They are a legit, contending team this year for sure.
we are going 13-3
we gonna win it all!!! we gonna win like 10 and a half super bowls this year!! boom!! yeah i said iT!!
Glad to see you’re not irrationally exuberant.
only rational exuberance over here!! time to celebrate!! we are on our way to being the 1st team to win multiple super bowls in one season!! its crazy!!
Time for me to admit that Wentz is a franchise QB. He missed a few throws, but played very well considering the pressure in his face.
More wins than the rest of the NFCE combined with a Redskins sandwich in between 11 days off and a bye week to coincide with our corners getting healthy is a fantastic feeling.
Morelli and his crew can eat my ass. Go Birds!
Those refs need to eat a trip to the unemployment office.
“Jake Elliot’s only what 10/12 with a 61 yard winner?”
Marvin Lewis on former Bengal great Jake Elliot
Jake Elliott! DILLY DILLY!!!!
If I’m going to be honest, Newton had a TD on that other-worldly dive and stretch, but that wouldn’t have mattered if a defensive PI had been called on a pass to Jeffery, or if an offensive PI had been called on whoever it was that grabbed Douglas’s arm.
Not sure there was a way to tell that the ball actually crossed the pylons in bounds. In addition to the feet not hitting before the ball crosses the plane (which they did not here), the ball must also be in bounds when it crosses the plane, I’m pretty sure. Not sure there was a definitive view to determine that last part.
Yup, Donny had a TD back in the day where he dove on an angle out of bounds. The the rule back then was that the goal line “extended around the world”, meaning as long as you didn’t touch out-of-bounds before the ball crossed the imaginary goal line (even if out of bounds), it was a TD.
Romo incorrectly stated during the replay that the goal line extended around the world, which is incorrect. I can’t remember the year the rule changed.
Are you sure that rule has been changed? I never heard that.
In 2007 the NFL changed the rule requiring the ball must be inside the pylon.
The ball must be inside the pylon if the player isn’t. If the players feet are inbound then the ball may pass outside the pylon.
As I grasp the most cosmic aspect of NFL rule book, the ball does not technically have to cross the goal line plane (which goes on for infinity) within the pylons as long a the airborne layer was 1) in bounds when he went airborne and 2) the forward position of the ball when the airborne player does land is across the (infinite) goal line plane. I don’t think the ball needs to be anywhere near the pylons if the player is in possession and crosses that plane.
that seems incredible stupid to me. You shouldn’t be able to score an out of bounds TD 3 feet outside the cone.
That did actually use to be the rule; a ball was marked at the spot where it was when the player touched out of bounds, regardless if the ball itself was out of bounds. So logically, when that happened at the goal line, that still broke the plane. The rule changed in 2005 from the looks of it, so that when the ball itself crosses out of bounds first, that is the spot. For the end zone, it must cross over or inside the pylon.
No the infinity rule is gone. The ball is also now required to break the plane in bounds. If the ball itself crosses out of bounds before the player himself is out of bounds it gets marked there. I quoted the rule below.
I will defer to your certainty, but I find it curious that Nantz and Romo did not seem to be aware of the end of that infinity thingy.
Yeah, seems like the “goal line goes around the world” thing was drummed into us so long that we’ve all internalized it. This article from 2007 says it changed “two years ago”, so I guess the infinity thing hasn’t been the rule since 2005.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-071226askjerrymarkbreit-story.html
The rule is:
Item 2. Runner Out of Bounds. If the ball is in player possession when that player goes out of bounds, the out-of-bounds spot is the forward point of the ball when the ball crosses the side line, or, if the ball does not cross the sideline, the forward point of the ball at the instant the player is out of bounds.
So, once the ball itself fully crosses out of bounds, it’s marked at that spot, unless the runner was out of bounds earlier. That means the old logic for breaking the plane is now gone; the above rule translated to the end zone is now:
Article 1 Touchdown Plays. A touchdown is scored when:
[…]
(b) a ball in possession of an airborne runner is on, above, or behind the plane of the goal line, and some part of the ball passed over or inside the pylon; or
(c) a ball in player possession touches the pylon, provided that, after contact by an opponent, no part of the player’s body, except his hands or feet, struck the ground before the ball touched the pylon; or
So, they do consider the pylon special, even though it is technically out of bounds itself — if the ball crossed even over the pylon that play was a TD, since Cam himself was not out of bounds. But if it did not cross over the pylon, then it should have been ruled short, since it crossed out of bounds beforehand. It was close, but there was nothing remotely definitive to me in the replays. You probably needed an overhead shot of some kind.
They needed to have prepped for that nonsense running better than what occurred. I’d hate to have wasted an overall great effort by allowing that turd to hog any more of the spotlight with preventable trash.
I don’t think you can justly criticize their performance against the run. Newton picked up some yards, but as a team, they didn’t break 100. That’s some good damn run defense against a run heavy team.
I love how after Cam’s TD, he gathered everyone together for what looked like a group TD celebration, only to just have them all there so he could grin at the camera by himself and do his bullshit Superman routine. What a team guy.
they scored a TD on the very next play. So it didn’t matter.
I didnt watch the game, but can somebody explain to me why on the delay of game/Barnett penalty, why it wasnt offsetting?
That confused the f out of me, too.
I decided to read up on it.
Because delay of game is 5 yards and roughing the passer is 15 yards, the 5 yard penalty is declined and the 15 counts (it goes both ways, so if the defense goes offside (5 yards), but the offense commits a 15 yard penalty on the free play, the offense gets the 15 yard penalty instead of the free play)
Section 3 Fouls by Both Teams
DOUBLE FOUL WITHOUT CHANGE OF POSSESSION
Article 1 If there is a double foul (3-11-2-c) without a change of possession, the penalties are offset and
the down is replayed at the previous spot. If it was a scrimmage down, the number of the next down and
the necessary line is the same as for the down for which the new one is substituted.
15 YARDS VERSUS 5 YARDS
Exceptions:
(1) If one of the fouls is of a nature that incurs a 15-yard penalty and the other foul of a double foul
normally would result in a loss of 5 yards only (15 yards versus 5 yards), the major penalty yardage is
to be assessed from the previous spot. See 4-8-2-c-Exc. 2 and 14-1-9-Exc. 2 for dead ball fouls at the
end of a half.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/17_Rule14_Penalty_Enforcement.pdf
yea found it. The crazy thing in theory, the defense can commit offside (5 yards and a free play by the offense), but if they commit a 15 yard penalty on the free play, the offense gets 15 yard penalty instead of gaining 5 free yards.
how does this work when the 15 yard penalty happens after the play has ended? the refs SAY that they blew the whistle, so anything that happens after that is after the whistle and after the play has ended. I don’t see why they wouldn’t take both penalties.
PS i think cam went boneless, but the DL did come in a little hot.
They definitively blew the whistle – it was very audible on the broadcast. Simply a stupid, inexcusable, play on the defense’s part.
yea, i was confused about that. i thought that i heard the whistle over the TV, and my audio quality was a shitty stream. i wish we could learn more about what happened from the players point of view, but thats probably best left between the team and maybe the league if the team wants to complain about it.
didn’t help that Cam sat there bouncing on his toes pretending to look to throw. 10 min later when it was flipped Carson threw the ball down.
The worst part was that wasn’t a penalty and Cam totally flopped to try to draw the flag. They need to remember that and get their money’s worth the next time that have that clown lined up.
Worst officiating ever. I’ve seen better officiating with Tim Donaghy.
No doubt. Those refs needed to be jumped by Eagles staffers after the game.
I usually don’t complain about the refs becasue it usually goes against both teams. But last night there were two (that I can remember) blatant holds against Eagles receivers that weren’t called (not to mention all the Panthers holding on the line) and at least two phantom PI calls against the Eagles. Horribly bad calls all around.
“Pete Morelli has a called 40 penalties for 396 yards against the Eagles vs. 8 penalties for 74 yards in the last 4 games reffed by him and his crew.”
(Not sure who to credit for the math, stolen from reddit.)
He can drop dead.
I really hope they don’t try to come after Barnett for a suspension or fine for that late hit.
He will get a fine, but its not a suspension
He should appeal, pointing out there was no whistle and no flag until after the hit.
Nfl can just say “so what? That officiating crew doesn’t count for legitimacy…”
Eagles fans trolling the Cowboys message board LOL!!
http://boards.dallascowboys.com/topic/79176-eagles-are-so-good/page-1
And in the wake of the Zeke suspension and the big win in Carolina, I missed this yesterday:
DRC suspended indefinitely by the Giants.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000860334/article/dominique-rodgerscromartie-suspended-indefinitely
Is he still any good? Can we take him off their hands, and do we want to?
No thanks. He’s ok as long as the team he’s on faces little to no adversity.
I’ll chip in for a box of crayons.
I thought it was surprising that he actually cared enough to have a confrontation.
Today coach Pederson and the coaches have a lot to be proud of. And the front office has a lot to be proud of as well.
The Eagles are a strong deep team that can win in a lot of different ways. They’ve faced a lot of tests through 6 weeks. And as Tommy wrote, they provided answers at every turn.
Big “WOW” to the Philadelphia Eagles today! Go Eagles!
Wow, embarrassing Twitter lead from the Panthers official site:
“The Eagles took advantage of #Panthers injuries”
http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Rapid-Reactions-Eagles-fly-past-Panthers-/9d6a17c5-fc44-41ca-86be-e0e254043374
Saw that. Hard for some to believe the better team won.
Well, to be fair, the Eagles were completely healthy.
LOL!!! Exactly! F*ck those bums!! We WON!!!
Missing our best CB and our starting MLB, who left mid-game (just like Kuechly).
Injury narratives piss me off. Reporters act like teams only need 22 star players and if any get hurt then they make excuses. Kuechly was out so that’s why ertz went off. No, depth is just as important as your starting 22.
This coming from the **** team that injured McNabb 30-60 seconds AFTER he scored a TD?!
On the Morelli officiating crew:
“Pete Morelli’s crew in last FOUR Eagles games
Philly penalties – 40 for 396 yards
Opponent penalties – 8 for 72 yards”
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/10/13/16468440/eagles-pete-morelli-crew-beat-panthers-philadelphia-carolina-officiating-flags-calls-stats-nfl
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/918791709739364352
What a great position the birds have put themselves in. A long rest to get healthy before 3 straight home games, all of which we should be favored to win. If we beat the Skins and take care of business against the 9ers we will be sitting at 7-1, 3-0 in the division, and 6-0 in the conference. That pretty much locks up the division before we even have a chance to play the cowboys.
Not to mention playoff seeding!
East Rutherford, NJ (AP) -A seven-year old boy was at the center of a New Jersey courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him.
The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulation requiring that family unity be maintained to the highest degree possible.
The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried and said that they also beat him.
After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.
After two recesses to check legal references and confer with the child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the New York Giants, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.
thank you tor that hahahahaha
You’re welcome.
Oh, man, you got me hook, line and sinker. Good one.
Sorry to be this guy (but no, I’m not sorry). Please don’t ever joke about child abuse. Or condone/spread jokes about child abuse.
There are plenty of ways to be happy for the giants stinking other than (albeit indirect) normalizing/minimizing/softening the concept of child abuse?
No offense taken.
Maybe German Eagle should put a trigger warning on his jokes for the perpetually aggrieved virtue signalling crowd.
Maybe he should apologize to the imaginary child that wasn’t actually abused? Do you really think German Eagle is condoning abuse by making a joke?
P.S. – I was abused as a child, and I laughed. Am i able to make jokes about it because i am an oppressed victim class now?
Free speech all around. Yes you’re able. Just expressing my opinion.
I’m a Social Worker so I personally hold this ethic very seriously, and wish most if not all would too.
But to each their own.
I did not expect that response. I agree about free speech, and understand why that would get you upset. I worked security at the DCPP (formerly DYFS) so i have seen (And lived) that world.
As Eagles fans we are all brothers, I hope i didnt come off too ferocious there. Let’s celebrate a good win and much needed 10 day rest for the birds.
Cheers and go Birds.
Why does this or___ guy have so much sand in his cupcake?
GE is now 3-0 when going out. Thank me now.
Thanks, but I’m not going to give you the same reinforcement for being scared/negative prior to the game…
Bad sleep?
Ha no. Too little sleep sure. I just noticed that you were predicting bad outcomes yesterday if I remember correctly.
That was two weeks ago mate. 😉
I do need to go back to sleep for sure. Wish my boss felt that way… oh well..
And grateful that you were wrong about Fletch. Dude was ballin’ last night.
I’m not always right but never wrong.
Scarlet Begonias
I hate complaining about the refs especially after a win, but Morelli’s crew should be suspended. The NFL should also look into their crew especially after the stats that were reported this morning. Calling 20 times the penalties on the Eagles is unacceptable.
I guess it’s news to some people here that Morelli has Vegas connections and tries his best to make sure Vegas covers.
Patently awful officiating. Disgusting, actually.
Great game, great win, and I actually got to watch it, appendix-free!
How do you know that? Any references?
Ah, the joys of “this user is blocked” bliss….There’s room over here for you…
Am I blocked?
Not by me.
DRAT!
Ha, if I had said yes it couldn’t possibly have been true.
Lol this guy blocked me for what?
I don’t remember you doing anything wrong. 🙂
Another game that feels like the Eagles dominated, yet “snuck” away with the win! Same thing happened against the Chargers & Giants. I love the winning, but I don’t think my heart can take it! Might have to get some blood pressure medication from my doc!
No worries, BH! 🙂
The referees were the equalizers in the game. Mike Kendricks said: “If you change just a couple of those calls, this is a whole different game.”
What kind of game? A one-sided victory.
This is a dominant win by the Eagles. But the dominance is masked by effect of a 125 yard disparity in penalty flags, not to mention several huge “no calls” in the Panthers’ favor as well.
But it’s great experience to press through that, keep cool heads and get the win. In the long run, the refs may have helped this team. Go Eagles!
Needs to be a new stat: 10 penalties 120 yards AND interception taken away.
Tony romo is the best announcer since Madden. My daughter understands football better after watching it.
This was Tommy Lawlor style, smash mouth, everybody injured kind of game. At end eagles dared cam to throw and he couldn’t do it.
I don’t think panthers scored without a turnover or HUGE penalty.
I’m glad I didn’t discover that Tony Romo is a very likeable dude until the end of his time in Dallas.
I never really hated Romo the person. In fact I remember several games where he was the last player on the field giving 100% when the rest of his team seemingly packed it in for the day. Untimely mistakes aside, I think he was a decent to good QB during his prime. (Thankfully little playoff success as a Cowboy 🙂
Enjoying his commentary thus far and loved the comments about playing against the Eagles D, “You’re gonna get beat down all night, just accept it and keep playing…” I’d would only suggest slowing it down a little bit at times, but that’s kinda ticky-tack as his energy coincides with crucial plays or interesting insights, so it works.
I always respected the guy. Undrafted to Pro Bowl QB shows a lot. Plus he was inches away from making the endzone on that botched hold. Makes me like him even more -try hard for the Cowboys, yet still fail spectacularly.
It’s funny because even his mistakes are super informative. He was going on about the left-footed punter giving Carolina an advantage, not knowing that both teams have one. Still, I learned something.
I feel morally obligated to dislike all cowboys players. When I accidentally stumbled across a Romo interview session it was in his 2nd to last year playing football. He just came across as a really nice guy who is trying to play his best football. ugh. Hard to dislike a guy like that.
I always had a soft spot for him. Dude is a warrior.
This was my first time hearing Romo announce to be honest. My girlfriend and I really hate most of the announcers on Football, it was refreshing to hear someone intelligently explain football. We were shocked to see the graphic “Tony’s take” and i then made the connection who it was.
Great work Tony!
Is anyone familiar enough with League protocol to know if the Eagles can somehow formally request a review of the officiating? There’s no way it ever ends with the NFL declaring officiating prejudice or anything, but perhaps a review would reveal that something is amiss and at least result in Morelli’s crew not working the Eagles anytime soon.
They can submit a formal complaint – but nothing ever happens. Let’s just hope we don’t see that crew if the Eagles make the playoffs!
I wouldn’t expect anything to happen but I hope the team submits the complaint. At least put the NFL on notice and raise some red, um, flags.
The only way anything happens is if the New York Times gets Morelli on tape getting a hummer from the Panthers cheerleaders while signing a notarized document that he’s going to call the game for Carolina.
That would make my day.
The former head of officiating for the league was partying with prostitutes on the Cowboys party bus and the league didn’t seem to concerned with that.
In fairness, the only prostitute we can be certain was on the Cowboys’ rolling massage parlor that day was Blandino himself.
Given the abysmal Thursday night games so far this season… I think the league may have actually required the officials to “slow down the Eagles” this week. They came into this game with an agenda of throwing flags.
I’m not sure anyone thought the Eagles were going to run away with this one, though. If they were trying to balance out the play, it seems like they would have targeted the Panthers more, as they were considered the favorites.
When you combine it with Morelli’s Eagles-Lions game last year, this seems like something else entirely…
Whatever the cause: I don’t appreciate it at all.
Such frustration.
Much why.
Pete Morelli’s name is being mentioned in the same breath as Tim Donaghy’s an awful lot lately. That’s the last thing in the world the NFL needs right now. If the commissioner had an ounce of sense, he’d clear his desk and get to the bottom of this.
It’s happened before with his crew. They’ve been suspended games before due to their performance.
Thanks for the heads up. I hadn’t realized this but easily tracked down the details.
The dude is 65! Players get old and become announcers (Tony Romo), announcers get old and get replaced (Phil Sims). Let’s get Pete on SS and Medicare and off the field of play.
We have to accept some of the blame for letting Tommy do his in home Lasik procedure.
There may be a formal process but the real way to get something done is for Lurie to threaten to burn the HQ to the ground. He’s not great at throwing his weight around like some of the other owners, but he could queitly make sure Morielli or his crew don’t come near an Eagles game for a few years and when they do they are so scared that they call a game in the Eagles favor.
I hope Lurie gets his mojo around in some way. I’ve got to believe that any reasonable person in the League office would look at the data and conclude that something is truly amiss.
Holy cow… I am so glad the Eagles didn’t even have to consider the possibility of wasting a pick on McCaffery. Seriously, the panthers spent a first round pick for Danny Woodhead.
I agree to a point though. If they had a better OL for running the ball, he might be much better. It’s not like Stewart is running well….
I was so frustrated by people slurping McCaffery before the draft. He is a move/matchup player that should have been a 3rd round pick. People get too caught up in college production some times.
The guy caught 10 balls for 56 yards last night. He didn’t show any type special explosiveness.
Injuries aside, Danny Woodhead is a fantastic football player. If you could guarantee his level of production (again, injuries aside) from every first round pick, you’d take him every single time.
McC is a good football player too. He was in his sixth nfl game, playing the best front 7 he will see all year, maybe ever. They were absolutely spectacular last night.
Even Romo was drooling over them. One of the best parts of the coverage last night was romo talking about how our defense was clearly better, but he had to jam the comments between playcalls of Wentz getting sacked and hit repeatedly. We were punting from our own defensive red zone before he finally shut up about the Eagles pass rush.
Nobody can run behind Carolina’s line right now. Nobody can run on the Eagles. And please note that when everyone on his team had the dropsies, McC had 10 catches, and he, not the 6’5” 1st round pick WR, caught a TD. And remember that chip scheme that Romo kept pointing out, the one that kept working, that was McC too.
It’s hard to get big yardage when you first have to chip BG, then catch the ball at the LOS, then escape a minimum of two tacklers that have you absolutely bracketed by the time the ball gets to you.
I don’t know why I got all defensive there lol. I’m not a McCaffrey fan, and I don’t own him in fantasy.
I’m 100% with you here. Don’t care about the guy one way or another but your assessment abides.
Just looked like what I thought he would in the NFL. Too small, and not shifty enough to be a fantastic gadget player. They kept forcing the ball to him, and I’m not sure why.
It blows my mind that they didn’t keep throwing to Benjamin. He should have had 20+ targets. I honestly think Cam was trying to be fancy and spread the ball around. He definitely did not take what the D was giving.
Yep, as Tony pointed out… the difference between a QB and a super talented athlete. It’ll be interesting to see if Cam ever transitions to being the former.
That’s the offense now. They want to dump the ball to Mac so they can limit hits on Cam. But they will run QB sweeps…
When Cam won MVP he was holding the ball and buying time for his WRs.
We only spent a 4th round pick on him this year!
I would’ve been ok with McCaffery in round 3.
It’s okay, we have Pumph to fill that role.
I hope January football never, ever looks like last night’s game. It was phugly football. Just another example of why Thursday night games are anathema. Players do not have enough time to recover and prepare. The resulting sloppy play is no surprise.
I’ll take the win, but too many games that look like that are the path to the NFL losing their fan base.
I know that is the go-to knock against Thursday Night Football, but I didn’t see that last night.
The defenses were both dialed in, knew their assignments and attacked the line of scrimmage without having breakdowns in coverage. There was like one missed tackle all night.
The offenses struggled to protect the QBs, but due to the talent differential not sloppiness. When each QB had time, they were deadly and when they didn’t they both tried to work some magic.
What part of the play did you think was sloppy? Officiating doesn’t count.
Not sure we were watching the same game. That was good football last night, and surprisingly so, given that it was a Thursday. That was two good teams with tough defenses beating each other up.
https://sports.good.is/articles/young-eagles-fan-trolls-cam-newton?utm_content=inf_10_81_2&c=tse1&tse_id=INF_4c4c0100afaa11e7952ec9abf6008d70
Awesome. “Real boys fall on the football.”
Still drunk and probably time for another beer soon!
you have the magic touch this season. keep doing the good work
My kidney begs to differ..
I know some folks are anti complaining after a win, but I sincerely hope that Wentz gets a chance to talk about his life, his back, and his knees with Ertz and Barner. They owe their QB a better effort than what he got last night.
Ha. I am hoping for better protection for Wentz too. I had plenty of thoughts last night bout how I would be perfectly happy with drafting OL with our top 3 or even 4 picks next year.
And to me that’s not complaining at all.
Truth.
Funny you said that. On the radio this morning, a national program, they said they knew three things: 1. Tom Brady is good. 2. Aaron Rodgers is good. 3. The Eagles OL is good.
Because most of the protection errors came from the oline’s supporting cast (RBs and TEs) I think it’s safe to assume that the Eagles have to get ready for a lot of blitzing next Monday vs Washington.
Yep, that gave us fits and everyone of those hits has a chance to take Wentz out of the game. We will see that game plan for the rest of the year unless we absolutely torch teams that predictably dial up blitzes.
They know, and that’s part of the bonding good teams have. You don’t have to talk about it, they know it has to improve.
Great win, unexpected win and yet I’m still have a couple of worries. So far on the year we’re 3-1 in one score games. That’s good but will we experience some regression towards the mean later on this season? Next season? Or will we continue to gut it out and win? I’d like to see us win with comfier leads more often, that’s what actual good teams do. Not trying to say that this team isn’t good, they’re 5-1 and riding high, but let’s not break out the anointing oil yet. We still have a long way to go before we fulfill our potential.
Now with that being said, we should have won this game by a larger margin. I don’t care how good our front seven is, it won’t matter with a questionable secondary. PI after PI kept the Panthers in it for much longer then they should have been. I know a common retort is that Darby and Jones will be an upgrade over Mills. I believe so too, but I’ve yet to see a timetable for either of their returns and the injury bug can always bite again (knocks on wood).
Correction: “PI” after “PI”.
I thought that Mills getting flagged on the first call was legit, but I couldn’t make sense of the one that was picked. If the ball is tipped at the line, and a safety crashes into a receiver, there is usually no call. So, yes Mills did hit the receiver before he could make a play on the ball, but the ball never got that far.
I can see the first Mills one, yeah. 90% of the time that doesn’t get called because he turned and played the ball. Or 100% of the time if you were a Panther last night.
i thought that there is no flags for PI after a ball is tipped? maybe that rule changed.
i missed the first half, so i’m not sure i know what play you are talking about.
regarding regressing to the mean – don’t forget about this record last year. we were like 0-7 in close games last year. being better at it this season IS regressing to the mean.
Ticky tack PI calls, which weren’t called on the other team.
Well, we probably won’t go 14-2, so yeah I would expect some regression. I doubt the DL and smoke and mirrors are going to save our CBs from being exposed every game we play. I also sort of doubt Dug is going to keep calling games this well… one will expect he’ll have an Andy/Chip moment where he just inexplicably calls the wrong game.
I do think this team is a tier higher than where I had them before the season, which was average.
“Good morning, Ma’am. And isn’t it a lovely morning?”
Are you the one in the middle?
lol
Im jealous of JP’s shoes. Those look like the Paytons from back in the day.
size 18
I’m not. If I was his shoes my back would be killing me.
LOL i dont want to be his shoes man
Amazing. I would LOVE to meet that guy. Where was this?
That photo was taken in front of Prime Mustache, the former restaurant of Brent Celek in Chestnut Street. Unfortunately it is closed permanently now.
Ah, makes sense. Did 687 close to?
Idk. But the greatest night of my lifetime I had at Recess. Hanging out with King Dunlap and Freddie the God Mitchell. And the latter loved my Bavarian snuff. Lol
I heard he’s opening a new one called “past his prime stache”
4 real?!
Who’s the other monster of a man there?
OMG What a Win! This felt so much like a playoff game, I was breathless during the last quarter. Huge game, I absolutely love the fact that these players seems like friends and are playing with such a passion. I love this team. love these players, they deserve it so much.
PS: Eagles have more wins than all the NFC East teams combined! Fly Eagles Fly!
And is al also. .with probably more than 5000 comments melting down the blog boards we are loving this
In other news:
Wentz is a serious MVP candidate.
Well yeah… but TBH I was thinking the same thing about Lane Johnson last night.
That throw on 3rd and long while getting tackled….a freaking rocket low where only his guy had a shot. The one where they hurried up to stop the challenge but didn’t need to. That shit wasn’t human.
With as effective as the hurry up run was, I was kind of disappointed they didn’t just immediately call the same play with the same hurry up component.
So are we all finally at the point where we admit to ourselves openly that this team is lead by one of the brighter young minds in coaching? As a fan base can we all finally put to rest the absurd narrative that Doug Pederson is some no nothing ignoramous, in way over his head, incapable of putting a sentence together let alone a winning game plan? Is there anyone still out there who doesn’t at least see a completely competent and able head coach when they look at him?
Highly doubt most will get there. I think the truth is somewhere in between though.
I think Dug did a good job last year, better job during the off season, and a great job this season.
I’m in his corner (was a big AR fan, and even liked Chip so…) but I want to see a full season at this level before calling him a great coach. Potential is there, and I THINK he’ll be a top HC. But the big part of that is sustaining excellence.
Yeah. He was looking good last year around this time too
Since he’s roughly the same age as me, I can assure you he’s not one of the brighter “young” minds in coaching. LOL.
I think he’s done a very good job of putting a staff together, and for sure he gets his players to want to play hard for him. That said, we are 6 games into his second season and his career record is 12-10, so let’s not start working on his speech for Canton yet.
So, what was Belichick’s record after 2 games? How ’bout AR’s?
I think you meant after 22 games. I thought this was an interesting question so I looked it up:
Belichik: 9-13 after 22 games (13-19 after 2 seasons)
Reid: 8-14 after 22 games (16-16 after 2 seasons) (reg. season; also 1-1 in playoffs)
Yeah…22. I’m okay with Doug.
I actually had an personal LoL moment last night thinking about how some national jerk called him the least qualified coach in the NFL. Right now he is better than Andy the last few years and far better than Chip ever was. Just in a coaching the game sense.
We certainly can’t call him a great coach yet. .but I’m all aboard with that super heads up leadership call on yelling at the refs for his option to replay the down for 2 point conversion. That is no minor thing and really was demonstrative that he has a clue what he wants and what is going on during the game.. that was something that drove me eternally nuts about AR
i imagine the players LOVED to see that too. here’s a coach willing to take points off the board(!) to give his guys a chance at more. thats a pretty high level of trust. you know the players felt it too.
I never thought that “narrative” had much of a following, but I admit that I had questions about DP’s ability to get his players to play to their potential. I also thought that he might be leaning on a developing QB too much, which in turn would impede that player’s development. I am impressed by Pederson’s patience with the running game, but I think I need to see more, like a whole season, before I want him over for dinner. And oh yeah, f^*k Mike Lombardi.
Yeah, I think the “absurd narrative” comment is way out of line, but Dug looks to be a good coach at this point, at least to me.
Like others, I’m not ready to call him great just yet. But I do like what I see so far. I liked what I saw last year, too. He puts together a nice offensive game plan, he delegates well to his DC (like Andy did), and most importantly, he gets his team ready to play for him. You saw it last night, on the road on a short week against another NFC contender. You saw it last year when the team came back strong after its terrible loss to the Bengals. His players are prepared, and they’ve got a great atmosphere and chemistry in that locker room.
Again, I’m not going to say great just yet, but I think we can drop the asinine “Dug” references and the notion that he’s in incompetent buffoon simply because he was uncomfortable in his first press conference.
Can you post a picture of his Eagle SB rings? I’ll wait….At least let him coach a few years and not less than 1.5 season before we have a parade…
He’s been the coach for less than a season and a half and now the criticism has moved to “No Rings”? That alone reveals that he is doing a great job. No one is planning a parade yet. I don’t think Jernst was suggesting a parade when he said that Doug has “one of the brighter young minds in coaching” and that he is a “completely capable head coach.” It’s getting harder and harder for those pushing the “Doug is incompetent” narrative.
So, without winning a SB in Y-1, there’s no coach whom you’d consider to be particularly bright?
Literally, that’s what you’re saying.
It’s funny…all I did was state that I thought the narrative that he was a know nothing ignoramous that was in over his head was absurd. And that I felt he’s proved to be a competent and able head coach and one of the brighter or more promising, young (new) head coaches in the league. Then everyone replies that I need to pump the breaks on his canton speech and calling him a great HC. You guys sure like your strawman arguments, haha. Competent and able.
First time I’ve seen Dougie called “young” lol
Who else enjoyed the Wentz to Jeffrey drop it in the bucket throw last night?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7nrepA-74
To me that’s the first “vintage Alshon Jeffrey” completion as an Eagle. That’s what I said right after it.
I am hoping this is a sign of Wentz’s development… He slings bullets well enough already, but it’s these sweet easy to catch balls with a little bit of air under them that has needed improvement (and screen passes, which in my mind have kind of a similar feel as more of a “touch” pass).
I’m no QB guru, but this had me totally pumped.
To me, that’s more a Wentz good than something special AJ did…
Most definitely. I just meant that to me it’s the prototypical “that looks like Alshon catching it – that’s and Alshon route” pass. It’s the first thing that comes to my mind of memories of him in his Chicago prime.
I also liked the one where he had his arm held down and the was no flag
He should of caught that.
Nah . That would’ve been an incredible acrobatic one handed catch from a very tough angle with a guy pushing on his other arm.
*should have
Lol so we are now at the point that Eagles WRs should make a catch despite blatant pass interference. Welcome to Negadelphia.
More along the line of thinking that he is billed as a guy who can make the contested catch. He was interfered with but it was pretty standard as far as a football play goes.
I want him making contested catches. Not sure I have really seen it happen.
🙁
That is gorgeous.
That’s a really good pass, but honestly the one that preceded it was even better
https://twitter.com/PatrickMCausey/status/918671462847930368
I’ll argue this was a better play but the pass to Alshon was ore aesthetically pleasing.
Agreed, but the degree of difficulty will win over even the stingy russian judge
But those Russian judges are notoriously prejudicial.
I can dig it.
That is, like, master-level shit there.
I think Wentz is winning you over!
what the?!? I just saw this too. A high compliment from ChoTime indeed.
Now if Shah8 got on here and said the same, that would be something.
Perfect placement, perfect touch.
Today??
Lol. I wish.
Just sayin..
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8666bdd38ab8cd46d09277262cc2054c142e1252884eeee2087dc0d736e9c955.png
Sir, do you have a license to drive this wagon?
Yes. And I’m even insured.
collision? or just liability?
hmm. thats a stretch to a concussion joke that i just don’t have the heart to improve on.
http://i.imgur.com/oCKn4CH.gif
I made a comment about this on the game thread, but can anyone remember the last time we beat a good team in a close game? On national TV no less? We beat Pitt and Atl last year but those games weren’t close.
yeah – that definitely felt like a game they would normally have lost. Especially when the offense started sputtering after that last score. But the defense plays with an edge I haven’t seen since #20 was out there. If Darby can come back and play well they could be very very good on that side of the ball.
I’m goin’ to Darby’s. See you in the playoffs.
A wishing well of crocodile cheers…
unfortunately the Pats game became a nail biter at the end.
Off topic…..
What’s a Trump sandwich? White bread, full of bologna, with Russian dressing. And a small pickle.
And then my escape from reality was ruined….
…and occupying your mind rent free
You do realize not a shred of the Russian stuff has been proven right?
In fact the only thing that’s been verified is that Russia purposefully tried to divide Americans by pushing pro BLM and anti BLM ads, as well as other divisive topics. So basically, you are being mind controlled by Russia.
Well, they do know that Russia actively tried to influence the election, via Facebook, Twitter, and Google, as well as with the Wikileaks steady drip (leaks were traced back to Russia).
All of that is bad. And yet to date, Lord Fontelroy has harsher words for the mayor of San Juan than for Putin, the leader of the country that interfered in our democratic process. So, collusion or not, he does seem to favor the Russian dressing.
The leaks weren’t traced back to Russia. Show me one piece of evidence that verifies that. Please don’t use the 17 gov’t agencies line.
we’ll ask the FBI if they could share some of the raw data b/c someone on IB doesn’t believe them.
Bit look at the statements from those agencies. “We believe”, “most likely”, etc. The best evidence they had was that it was a Russian malware and IP. But those are easily faked. Finally, John podesta used easy to crack password, which, by the way, was shared among many other his employees. It was a big joke, and the Russia bit is only relevant on CNN anymore.
Lots of typos. I’m one handed right now
thanks that clears up a lot. I wonder why all the IC believes such lies.
More deflection. Just defer to the experts right? Those 17 agencies, including the DEA, who say that it’s probably maybe russia.
not responsive. why should I think the IC is incorrect? Because you know more about the evidence? that seems highly doubtful. If not the experts, to whom should I defer?
instead I should believe the president who lies about everything, even things I know at home are lies. Who can’t even fake empathy. Who assaults women, doesn’t honor contracts, sympathizes with Nazis (and is racist himself), who paid $25 million in a fraud claim….I could go on and on. When I look at the IC on the one hand and Trump on the other, taking into account who he is and what he has sacrificed for the country versus the IC and the same, why would I ever believe Trump?
The IC, same one who said Iraq had WMDs?
Thought you were being genuine until you brought up the Nazi bit. Get out of your bubble dude.
So, when someone says “there are good people on both sides”, and one of those sides is Nazis, what are we expected to believe?
You can throw around code phrases like “bubble” and dodges like “WMDs” but again, you’re purposefully and willfully avoiding the very clear points that people are making.
There were antifa instigators on one side (bad people on the anti Nazi side) and people simply protesting the removal of the statue (good people who you are associating with Nazis because you think it makes your point better)
Friendly reminder that Nazis were socialists.
Friendly reminder that your point about Nazis being socialists is entirely an incorrect parsing of the name of their party and utterly irrelevant. East German, for example, in the Soviet Era, was called the German Democratic Republic despite being neither democratic nor an actual republic. This is a very pathetic talking point that is often used to erroneously lump Nazis with the left (never mind the fact that the Nazis abhorred leftists).
Also, please don’t talk about good people lining up in Charlottesville to protest the removal of a statue. That’s not who was there, either at the tiki-lit vigil or the march the following day. Those weren’t good people. Those weren’t Southerners protesting the supposed removal of their legacy. Those were white supremacists organized from all over the country. Those were fucking Nazis.
Also, friendly reminder that despite sounding like science fiction, Nazi terrorists killed an American on American soil and no unequivocal condemnation was offered from the President. What a time to be alive.
He had strong words against the Challenger driver. Selective blindness? Also, if you really believe every single person there who was protesting is also a Nazi, I think we’re done here.
Stop watching CNN.
I don’t believe that every person protesting the removal of statues is a Nazi. I do believe that everyone at _that_ rally was a Nazi. It was entirely organized by Nazis.
Stop trying to justify the unjustifiable.
Stop a ring like our democratically elected president who won in a landslide is Hitler. Shit gets old and ruins any rational debate.
Straw man (I’m just going to start calling out the fallacies of your arguments now)
You keep using that phrase…. I don’t think it means what you think it means
when you make up what my argument is so that you have an argument you can easily trash, you, my good sir, have constructed a straw man. I don’t think your use of the catch phrase from “The Princess Bride” is entirely accurate.
You claimed he supports Nazis. Saying that means you think he’s Hitler doesn’t literally mean that I think you think he is Adolf Hitler reincarnated.
ad absurdum
Whatever dude. Keep hallucinating.
I believe the Romans called this the “whatever dude”.
“Won in a landslide”?
He lost the popular vote. He won the EC because he scraped by in three key states by ~80,000 votes TOTAL. That is not a “landslide”. Do you even English language bro?
Shhh, don’t tell him that the electoral college victory they all like to call a “landslide” was in the bottom 5th of electoral victories all time. Or that the notion of 58% of anything is hardly a “landslide”.
but everything else I said about him is true? is that not enough?
I’m typing this one handed on my phone so it’s not easy for me to expand on every point, but really quick-
The contracts he didn’t honor were for contractors that did a shitty job. I wouldn’t pay either. He doesn’t assault women, he simply stated that women LET him do whatever he wants. Idk about the fraud case. But someone worth billions is going to have a couple of against in his business record.
Wow. I have no response to this. And you want to talk about bubbles and mental gymnastics.
Just, wow.
He’s not the moral leader of the country. Go back to your 95% pro Hillary bubble and keep on peacocking.
Clever dismissal. I’m going to save this one for later, use it myself maybe.
Also, clever dodge. “This thing wasn’t immoral. This other thing wasn’t immoral. Oh, well, OK, but hey, he’s not the moral leader of the country, so what can you expect?”
Sorry if expecting basic decency from elected officials is expecting too much.
As to the concept of bubbles where people are constantly feeding on their own regurgitated ideas, I would like to introduce you, Master Pot, to Master Kettle.
You do not get to dismiss an argument that you can’t actually counter by crying about bubbles. You are a walking, talking lesson in argumentative fallacies. Tu quoque, ad absurdum, ad hominem, straw man, you name it, you’ve covered it.
There’s nothing to dismiss, you don’t even make coherent points. You’ve simply made emotional pleas about Nazis and assaulting women.
straw man
Low IQ idiocy
ad hominem
It’s not worth it. No matter how much crap piles up, his followers will look for an excuse every time. There is literally nothing that he could do or you could tell them that would make them think anything negative about him. I’ve never witnessed anything like this before.
you should let the 15 or so women that came forward and accused him of assault that they let him do it with their permission.
incoming tu quoque in 3…2…1…
All 15 who dropped their case with the ambulance chasing attorney.
there was no case. I don’t think any of them had made any claim for money or criminal prosecution.
Your animus toward Trump should not deepen your trust in his enemies. Trump is a turd, but many of his enemies are elites who have been lying through their teeth for decades, and brought this country to the brink of a global depression, and eviscerated a huge chunk of what was the middle class.
I hear you on that, really. His success is the result of a lot of things that came before him.
Please list identify, by name, these folks.
So, at least for myself, I can better appreciate how to assess your argument work on the evidence (CBO, GAO, Labor Dept . . . i.e., non-Fox News).
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
Please tell my why I shouldn’t use the 17 govt agencies line. Sorry, you don’t get to set the terms by which reality operates prior to refuting or making an argument.
And, while you can faff about waving a red herring about the arguable particulars of one element of my overall point, you are very carefully and purposefully missing that overall point. Why does Russia get treated better than our actual allies, or our actual citizens? Why can’t any condemnation be offered? Not one single word. Instead, he jokes around and shares classified information from our allies with them, unprompted.
I really don’t want to go back and forth, but just a heads up: your arguments are transparent. You’re very carefully, as I said, missing the point. Because you are essentially trying to defend the indefensible.
He signed off on sanctions against Russia. Also the 17 agencies include the DEA and other non relevant agencies.
Who are these allies that trump treated worse than Russia?
he’s never admitted Russia did anything. Go find where he did. We’ll be here. He signed off on a veto-proof bill b/c it looked better than it becoming law without him. Credit: zero.
Trump signed a bill that punishes Russia directly for tampering with our election. Yet you still have to do mental gymnastics to rationalize why your deeply held belief that trump is a racist pro Russian double agent spy idiot president still makes sense.
Google ‘cognitive dissonance’
Trump criticized that same bill and only signed it because it passed with a veto-proof majority.
Boys, the assignment for today: Take the stance of your opponent and write a 300 word essay defending his stance.
does it have to be based on solid logic?
You know, when I wrote that, I hadn’t read all the replies below. It’s been… interesting, you’ll agree? I think I’m going to rescind the assignment, but if you want to still do it for extra credit, that’s fine.
Just wanted to say that this is exactly the right approach. The Russian stuff is important, and regardless of what we each think now, won’t have all the details for decades, if that.
But having some intellectual empathy for those you disagree with in this day and age—I’m not sure if there’s any more pressing problem.
That’s a great plan . . .
But what do you do about FOX News, Sinclair Broadcasting — and likes of Limbaugh, Levin, and the Evangelical right?
You’re obviously right. Some (if not most) major players that have influence are beyond reason. I don’t have any real plan for how we can most effectively promote social change toward a more rational society.
But I guess I’m one of those “meet bad speech with better speech” kind of people. I doubt we’ll fix our problems by arguing it out like rational people. But the alternatives are all imperfect, and I don’t see any that are better.
They are all tolerated and tacitly supported by a broad swath of our ruling 1%ers, and their minions in Washington. They stir the pot, they keep us fighting amongst ourselves, and most importantly they bestow credibility and “reasonableness” upon a corporate-owned media that is a lapdog not a watchdog. Trump is a self-aggrandizing side-show. The lying rogues in DC who man the tiller of this empire need to have joe public believe that we are the good guys, benevolent, righteous, etc. We need to have a military budget larger than the next six largest military budgets COMBINED because we ONLY want to do good in the world. But NBC rather give us a bear in a hammock or a cat in a tree… when they aren’t reporting about the evil Russians, and that crazy North Korean. Real important news will no longer be found in the MSM.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/12/why-north-korea-wants-nuke-deterrence/
Dude, that’s so 1996.
They were simpler times. My senior year of college. Milwaukee’s Best. The worst thing about the President was he was getting some.
Normally this is a valuable exercise. But I can’t bring myself to defend Trump even as an intellectual exercise. He is too blatantly indefensible.
I couldn’t defend him (he’s a sociopath or at least has narcissistic personality disorder), but I could defend people who voted for him (but then I write fiction as a hobby).
That is totally fair. I get why people didn’t want to vote for Clinton and why some of the things Trump said during the campaign did appeal to voters who felt nobody else was addressing their problems and why they might have been willing to overlook his more noxious chacteristics because of that. I can understand why people voted for him and don’t think anyone who did so is inherently deplorable for having done so.
At this point, however, it’s pretty clear Trump is exactly the incompetent, corrupt, narcissistic, patholologically dishonest racist con man his opponents (both Republican and Democrat) criticized him for being during the election season, and that he doesn’t actually give a crap about the problems of people harmed by the opioid epidemic or by the erosion of the industrial job base or by anything else. Anyone who is still reflexively defending him is either a shill or not paying any attention at all to the issues and that’s what I can’t defend.
I think a lot of it has to do with different news sources. Those people are getting completely different narratives than the liberals. We can’t even debate an issue, because we’re working with different information. I see it on Facebook. There are two different intellectual worlds. It’s bizarre, and extremely dangerous.
Google “straw man”
There never were 17 agencies that signed off. Even the NYT which has pushed this narrative acknowledged such. The Russo-phobia is a red herring promoted by the same cabal of perpetual war-mongers who continually justify Israeli aggression, embrace a despotic Saudi Arabia, and want regime change in Syria for the profits of their puppet masters in the oil industry. Iran is an enemy because it is a sovereign Islamic state that does not and will not play ball with the government that has, since it installed the Shah in 1953, sought to dictate the terms of their relationship. Israel is afraid of Iran because it has credibility in the region, even among many Sunnis. So we demonize Iran, go after its ally, Syria and manufacture news about evil Putin. There is a whole group of retired CIA officers who have published a letter arguing that the “hack” – the evidence for which nobody in the public is permitted to see – was downloaded on site, was completed too fast to travel through the ether.
I am no fan of Trump, but the money that owns the two-party sham also owns the MSM. Their consensus becomes conventional wisdom. Social media has exposed the lameness and loyalties of the MSM. It’s all abut the benjamins.
this really has nothing to do with the pure corruption in this administration. So although I’m not sure who I believe, I don’t need this argument to otherwise believe this situation is outrageous.
Actually, they were.
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/samarmarwan/2017/07/11/crowdstrike-helped-trace-the-dnc-hack-to-russia-now-business-is-booming/&refURL=https://us.search.yahoo.com/&referrer=https://us.search.yahoo.com/
Hey, I’m just making a sandwhich here…
Freedom of speech and all that… “life, liberty, and the pursuit of a good sammich.”
“sandwich”
It’s actually spelled: h-o-a-g-i-e.
Paul Manafort (Trump’s campaign manager) was in hock millions to Russian oligarchs. Michael Flynn (his first Nat Sec advisor) was a paid shill for the Kremlin. Don Jr. has admitted to taking meetings with the Russians, the contents of which he lied about at the time.
I don’t want to discuss politics here (I come to this blog partially to get away from them, actually), but I’m not going to let a blatant falsehood like “the only thing that’s been verified is that Russia purposefully tried to divide Americans..” go unchallenged.
and I get yelled at for bring up Yankees? (who by way – beat Cleveland :))
Only because Terry Francona is a sucky bastard. Dude lost like 400 games in 4 years as the Phillies manager. A true villain. Now GO ASTROS!
Thank you for this today. It’s been fun.
So Panthers fans are the dicks today not Eagles fans. Well done those that traveled. That video fires me up though. Nothing I can stand less than tough guys like that.
the spooky thing is the guy who sucker punched video went viral. Now I saw his instagram and address were posted. You can’t get away with anything in an internet world.
Wish I could say I felt bad for him.
From what I could hear (and what others have said), he called the kid a racial slur at which time the young kid started punching him.
You don’t get to punch someone because you don’t like the words that they said, regardless if what those words are.
Hmm. Interesting considering I see no racial difference.
I will say I have been at close games standing a lot and people behind me complaining was really annoying. You are at a sporting event lazy Americans. Stand up.
All the Penn State games I went to the fans only stood during a big play.
I’ve been to quite a few Eagles games and the only time anyone around us sat was if they were too drunk to stand or it was a TV timeout.
Interesting.
I’d argue it goes too far. Maybe not in this case, but it’s gotten to the point where if you say something offensive in the internet people try to get you fired from your irl job.
Pen name bro, pen name.
The fact he got doxxed is awesome.
Now we just need some of their fans to throw snowballs at a cultural icon and our reputations can be redeemed.
Snowballs in Carolina… it’s probably going to have to be beer bottles or batteries.
Cam Newton bobbleheads?
When the head shakes tears come out of the eyes.
You’re now my favorite poster.
Ha, thanks.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/13/eagles-panthers-had-a-strange-penalty-disparity/
This should make some of you happy.
Yeah. The officiating was obviously atrocious to the point of being very suspicious.
Or suspect.
Suspira for Shocktober
That reference is over my head. I didn’t see the movie.
LOL
mrpeepee says:
October 13, 2017 at 11:07 am
Worst non call was the poor Panthers fans hand getting injured when the old guys face attacked it
I’m never happy when my opinion strongly aligns with Mike Florio’s, I feel dirty.
As you should!
Not me, I feel sick. NFL football is one of the last escapes I have that gives me legit joy in this batshit world. Watching Morelli call a game brings me to the inescapable conclusion that somebody is paying NFL officials serious money to manipulate games. When even non-partisan observers (Cowboys fans even!) are seeing the same thing, the conclusion is just that more more inescapable.
The fact that the Eagles still somehow won this game despite an obviously bought and paid for officiating crew has earned them a special place in my heart. I bonded with this team last night more than any Eagles team in a very long time. So, at the end of the day, there’s still legit joy. But the NFL needs to deal with this before someone in the press or the blogosphere decides it’s time to blow the lid off of it. This is the kind of scandal that leaves a permanent mark, and takes years to recover from. The NFL is playing with fire with these officials.
You know. I’m tempted to indulge because it can feel like the world is out to get ya, but sometimes shit just doesn’t go your way. Will the NFL investigate? They should, but won’t. I’ll just call it bad luck until someone proves it wrong.
The numbers on Morelli’s crew in his last two Eagles game suggest something a little more systematic. Other fans have some pretty egregious examples with their own teams (including every Jets fan today). I’d much rather this be a case of human error and/or bad luck, but we have to be realistic about it: tens of billions of dollars are gambled on NFL football every year. Officials are the simplest, most logical, and cost effective way to alter the outcome. It’s easier for me to to believe that a $175K a year official can be controlled than it is to believe ten of billions in gambling revenue are left to chance.
German Eagle made a point the other day that this game is big, but the next game is bigger, and I will be all in on the SB bandwagon if Eagles put down Washington like the mangy dog it is. Cousins is playing well since we last saw him, and their playoff hopes could be severely jeopardized by another loss to us. They will be more desperate, they know us very well, and all of the blitzing that JS called in game one will be no surprise this time around, so that relentless 4-man rush that everyone witnessed last night needs to step it up against a superior OL. They don’t play until Monday night, so hopefully Eagles will have a sound game plan, and deliver a sound thrashing.
Your honorable mention is much appreciated.
In my humble estimation, the Redskins are no worse than the third best team in the NFC. Cousins can be deadly, they have good weapons, and I love both of their lines. They’re a very dangerous football team. Keeping them out of the playoffs is imperative. Beating them on Monday is mission critical.
Tim McManus on Mills P.I. I think one person claimed it was the right call but most didn’t see it that way.
While Mills did seem to make light contact before the ball came down, it didn’t appear Samuel was in position to make a play on it.
Doug’s comment on Morelli’s crew:
This is not the first time the Eagles have been on the wrong end of a lopsided penalty advantage with Pete Morelli’s crew officiating. During Pederson’s day-after news conference, it was pointed out to Pederson that the penalty disparity has been 40-8 in favor of the opposition in the last four games officiated by Morelli’s group.
“Well, I think the league is aware of it,” Pederson said. “I’m not going to get into all that. We have to do a better job. We have to coach it and we can’t be getting these flags. And listen, a lot of them were legit. I’m not saying they weren’t. A lot of the flags last night were legit calls, so we’ve got to do a better job there. For whatever reason, it is what it is, but moving forward we can’t worry about it. Bottom line, we won the game. We figured out how to do that, and that’s the bottom line.”:
http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/252653/historic-penalty-disparity-does-not-go-unnoticed-by-eagles
Thats one prime example of a coach saying, Jesus fuck NFL, would you look and do someting about this shit, without actually saying it publicly.
And yes, we do have to stop committing stupid ass penalties and I dont think theres some overwhelming conspiracy against us winning, the refs just sucked and called a game for the home team.
Right on. Watching it live that’s exactly the impression I got.
I think the last game people talk about with Morelli, was the Lions game last year, where he actually cost us the game, even though we again made way to many mistakes. That was also an away game for us.
Doesn’t have to be corruption, incompetence is still an issue. You just have to look at it, but obviously the NFL won’t do that unless they absolutely have to. Which is what leads to all this mistrust and speculation. Que that Ayesha Curry line about rigging.
Both of Mills’ PI were good calls. However, Alshon was interfered with much worse as his left arm was pinned to his body by the DB.
If the ref is going to be ticky-tacky on PI calls, they have to be consistent for both teams. I clearly saw BG twice being held when Cam was scrambling.
The second was not a “good” call. Since the receiver couldn’t catch it and wasn’t prevented from making a play on the ball since it was short and intercepted, it wasn’t interference. Furthermore the contact was minor. We’ve seen receivers initiate contact and not get called tons of times because it didn’t have an effect on the play.
If they called every technical penalty, I wouldn’t even want to watch sports.
I just rewatched both interceptions frame-by-frame. The 2nd was absolutely catchable by the receiver (if McLeod wouldn’t have undercut the ball for the interception).
Both of the calls made against Mills were due to him putting his right hand on the receiver’s body while using his left hand to try and deflect the pass.
The first PI he had his hand on the receivers mid-section while for the second he had his hand on the receiver’s right shoulder.
Putting your hand on a receiver while using the other to try and deflect the pass is called as PI most of the time. as it is very easy for the refs to see his hand. If I remember correctly, that has been a point of emphasis the past few seasons.
Allowed to have hand on receiver. Not allowed to turn them. Also need head turned, which I think Mills was playing the ball. Therefore, it shouldn’t have been called.
In both PIs, Mills uses his off hand to grab the receiver to hold himself close to the receiver, impeding the receiver’s progress, allowing him to make a play on the ball. That is pass interference.
Mills has done this exact thing many times in the past 2 seasons. The refs know this and call it as such.
Rewatched it. Mills has great position, and is playing the ball. He does grab the back arm before the ball gets there. If it was a one on one situation I’d say its 50 – 50 whether that gets called and I’d lean towards it not being called. However with double coverage, and the throw being short, I think 9 times out of ten that doesn’t get called. Extremely ticky tack.
“Fuck Pete Morelli, get your shit together NFL” – Dougie in coach speak
I am so glad he said something.
Did he actually say this?!
I have been waiting for a statement win over a winning time like the Panthers. The Redskins dont win that game, for example. I am amazed by how far Wentz has come. He is beating the defense with all his options. Hes not forcing much and its working well. Shout out to Howie for getting players and shout out to Dug for not being a big pussy and going for it on 4th and whatever.
I’m sure DP is embracing the compliment.
Thoughts on McCaffrey?
Liked his overall game last night but he doesn’t strike me as a dynamic offense player.
Does a number of things pretty good/well but his lack of size is a real limitation and didn’t seem as shifty as I thought he would be once he received the ball.
He made me feel a lot better about Pumphrey.
I never thought he was a good fit for their offense. He belongs in a wco scheme. I also think people are biased against him as an athletic RB for …. obvious reasons
Didn’t think he was that good in college and didn’t think he was any good last night either.
He was a STUD and practically the entirety of Stanford’s offense. Case in point – Stanford’s offense this year, without him.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3931398/bryce-love
Wait, the guy that took over for McCaffrey is averaging over 10 yards per carry?! Well, that takes some of the shine off Christian.
Ok well I’m gonna go ahead and surreptitiously edit my previous comment about their offense now.
What?
It’s actually 10.5 which is still ridiculous.
The 9 key is awful close to the zero key. I edited it as soon as I posted it. You might need to refresh.
ohh ok gotcha
he looks like he is 12.
Lol. My wife was watching with me yesterday and asked, “why do they have a 12 year old returning punts?”
Westbrook > McCaffrey…not worth a high first round pick as he doesn’t seem to be much of a RB.
Agree. .id rather have our young DE
Great talent, weird scheme fit. I’d like him here.
No you wouldn’t.
He looked like an overdrafted Danny Woodhead.
Slower, less explosive/dynamic Reggie Bush.
Slower, less explosive/dynamic Reggie Bush.
I read this take somewhere before…
I blame disqus
Slower, less explosive/dynamic Reggie Bush.
So nice, you said it thrice?
How do you see him?
Doesn’t look like a tough enough interior runner to thrive as a RB in the NFL. I think he’d be better as a slot receiver.
He’ll struggle until Belichick/McDaniels find a way to get their hands on him.
Panthers’ WR didn’t turn out to be that big of a mismatch as they were big and physical but a better matchup especially for Douglas.
Teams that have a veteran QB who makes quick reads and gets rid of the ball quickly combined with smaller, shifty WRs would shred this defense and negate their greatest strength (pass rush).
One offense that instantly fits that bill is the Run and Shoot Oilers with Moon and the Smurfs. Not really an offense in the NFL today though I can think that really has that exact mixture.
The only one I dread is Aaron Rodgers. The WR’s aren’t an issue, but I just feel like he could shred us. And the list ends with him. Even Brady with small shifty guys like Amendola, I feel like Brady is enough of a statue that we can get in the throwing lanes and collapse a pocket on him.
We have also been abused by Russell Wilson.
Yeah he might be the best in the league at taking a play play where our D-line looks great and puts him under incredible pressure, and he just…escapes, and either gets 15 yards with his legs, or 40 with one of those uncanny deep throws on the run. And even when we do get him, the bastard always gets rid of the ball on the way to the ground and never gets call for intentional grounding because he is either outside the tacklebox or happens to have some shit runningback’s feet within 20 yards of where the ball lands.
I don’t fear Wilson, but I agree with you, he is one of the most frustrating players to watch this team play.
I’m a huge Wilson fan, but you’re 100% right that it’s annoying to play against him.
I agree with your conclusion. I think Cousins will be more problematic than was Newton, because he is more disciplined and quicker to release. I’m not equating him with Warren Moon or Kurt Warner, but ‘Skins will be a tougher game to win, I believe.
Can we split the difference with Darby back and the refs not sucking as much as still call it a win?
You’re discounting the great job the LBs have been doing.
Not saying the defense is unbeatable, but if a team is trying to feast on slants and 8 yard digs all game they’re in for a tough one.
Last time people thought the Run and Shoot Oilers would be a problem for the Eagles defense, Jerome Brown summed it up best saying “They brought the house and we brought the pain.”
*I am not trying to argue with your point with respect to the current defense, I just wanted to use it as an excuse to bring up the House of Pain Game.
Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLzkBm9Ljhg
Love it.
I’m not sure if you have heard of this team called the Patriots.
I doubt they will be relevant much longer since they got rid of Bledsoe and are starting some QB who was drafted in the sixth round.
I’m glad you came out of your coma. Hard to Kill.
You mean the Russian agent?
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f15dc9c91c238f1ecf62a0b5e2e3866d84e20d45d729c8226df51c874f89bfa8.jpg
Of course
Nothing better than a self-proclaimed “weapons expert”.
Though my favorite Seagal story is the one from a producer who met him in his trailer to discuss something. As he came in, Seagal was putting down a script and wiping a tear away from his eye. He says to the producer, “that was the best damn script I ever read.” The producer, interested, says “yeah, who wrote it?”, to which Seagal replied, “I did.”
Ah, I remember when Buddy Ryan coined the term “chuck and duck” when referring to the run and shoot offense.
Mills was fine as well, but the refs had in interesting view of what constitutes DPI.
“Hey @Giants let me know if you need an interim wide receiver!”
— Former NFL wide receiver Terrell Owens.
“@Giants hey big head”
— Former NFL wide receiver Chad Johnson. Owens and Johnson are looking to jump on a unique opportunity as the New York Giants lose their top three wide receivers in the same game. (Terrell Owens, Twitter; Chad Johnson, Twitter)
PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN!
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/week-quotes/2017/week-quotes-october-13-2017
Giants NEED to do this!!!
This would be amazing!
I think they might still give Mills fits lol
pretty much the only way to make them giants watchable at this point lol
TO bet can still play. . Never thought they much of Chad when he was playing
I can’t possibly think of anything that could top the entertainment value of TO & Chad doing NY. Unless it was Dallas.
This must happen. The world will be a happier place (outside of NYC).
What if they bring Randy Moss with them?
Navorro Bowman released. Agent is Rosenhaus. I used to love him but I’d think he may want an opportunity to start and too much $. Good vs. the run but obviously injuries have been an issue.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000860799/article/niners-release-veteran-linebacker-navorro-bowman
If he can take Maragos’ place on special teams, maybe.
Smells like a Patriot. Maybe a Bronco.
Dallas fans are wanting him bad. Jaylon Smith has not been impressive. Looks like that extra 1st round pick was a bust!
(Though I should probably wait until Sidney Jones plays before I gloat…)
I don’t like him in a 4-3 at this point in his career given his injury history. I think his best fit is with a 3-4.
I saw a quote from a coach he faced this year said he can still tackle, but not really run any more.
We had a slew of injuries last night, I’m not on twitter, anyone hear any news on any of them. Anyone hear what kind of damage we can expect?
Hicks is OK and not walking with a limp last night in the locker room. Pederson said he was OK in his press conference today.
Last night on Twitter it was said the Maragos tore his PCL and will be lost for the season. Pederson said they are waiting for test results.
That’s mostly good to hear, anything on Jernigan?
Also I know Bradham finished the game, but sometimes they can get a painkiller with those stingers and keep playing to finish the game, then miss a week. He ok?
Lastly, the man, Fletcher Cox. Felt like he might have hurried back to partake in a big game. Saw someone working on his back a bit. Hope he didn’t set back that leg injury at all either. Hoping 11 days of rest and he is back to 100%
I know Jernigan was limping in the locker room, I didn’t hear what Doing said about him.
Fletch said he went really hard the first few plays of the game and he was pleasantly surprised that he felt no issues with his calf.
Don’t know anything about Bradham.
The only RIP level news was Maragos. I’m assuming we won’t hear more of consequence until Monday or Tuesday, as a lot of the guys are probably on mini-vacations.
That’s too bad about Maragos. Special teams ace. I think he might be on the last year of his contract. If so, this could be it for him and the Eagles.
https://overthecap.com/player/chris-maragos/2149
They just extended him, so at least he got paid a 2nd time.
Hicks left game but is reportedly fine. Bradham came back in on the next D series. BG is fine. Minus Maragos (I’m not sure of injury or severity) we came out unscathed.
We made Casey Matthews twin brother look too good last night
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Luke’s backup was some country singer looking inbred.
Aha
Mayo. . His scraggly hair and gut seemed to be on my screen to much. .
Lol he does look like Casey. He lost though.
Yeah, that guy wasn’t that good.
Mayo? Homie couldn’t even catch up.
Yes thats why he is twin brother of the wrong brother, brother Casey
LA Eagle doing strong work today.
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/13686389/aim-for-the-trolls-kill-the-trolls.jpg
I think I’m sufficiently deescalated from last night to really more enjoy the win now. Winning that game was a good feeling. The level of screaming needed for the refs blowing calls and our D losing contain on Cam had me worked up into a fever pitch.
But wow, we’re 5-1 and I can sit here and say we’re really looking strong to take a stranglehold of this division.
I didn’t scream at all last night. . Cent like we were playing solid and to our ability, as opposed to past games that often feel like we’re trying to f it up
Cam did a lot with his legs, but 3 picks and the man was absolutely battered until he reverted to total trash burning down every chance his team gave him on the last 2 drives.
Have not heard anyone fluffing Cam today. Just, Carolina has no run game and you can’t win with Cam throwing 50 passes. That has to be somewhat satisfying.
You’re correct on both counts, but I cannot stand seeing that clown mug for the camera after rushing TDs / gains. I just thing that we’re entitled to a 2004 season NFC championship game Vick style boxing in of every running QB we face.
fair, I was definitely wishing we had a spy on him for that drive that was capped off with an awfully defended option TD run
Yeah, I was livid over it. But as you said, his fluffers have been silenced.
Here’s my question, for every read option play ever run, why not just have a guy assigned to clobber the QB, just in case. What ref, he really sold it. Sure you might let a RB go for a decent yardage pickup but I guarantee you no one lets their franchise run more than a couple of those a game on you.
Remember when they were hitting Bradford in preseason? Seems like you should be able to hit these guys bc the time you don’t they kept it.
He waives away his teammates to celebrate alone .. great playerbut Altlime Doosh
Our DL had a lot to do with that. Give those guys credit.
Cox caused the first pick. And Rob caught a dropped pass on the second one. On the third Cam either threw the wrong route or KB ran the wrong one; but the DL was closing in on Cam . He really only had time for that one read.
Need to beat the Skins on MNF and even then to early to think about a ‘strangehold’
They beat the Skins on MNF, win 2 of the next 3 before the bye, and beat the Boys right after the bye in Dallas then you can start talking ‘strangehold.’
So, the hangover has almost worn off. Hair of the dog – having another Hop Devil now.
Yet I’m still giddy – really, that’s the best word for it. And stupidly so.
We just beat a really good football team on a short week and it wasn’t fluky. We were the better team. You could see it. AND…..we beat the Zebra-Panther team up. AND …we’re not yet a full strength.
Now, we’re going to start (hopefully) getting healthy with 10 games left in the regular season.
Dallas and NY are imploding.
Life is good.
Philly dilly.
Oh, I like that.
You won the internet today sir. More accurately yesterday but w/e.
saw Howie Littlefingr saw ” Philly Philly” .. liking that a bit better
Lol was too hung over to understand what he meant.
It takes a true gentleman to voluntarily divert such a prestigious award to someone else though….
That’s why we love the site. . Tommy writes like we all think; and we share great inspirations in the comments
Philly Philly to that sir.
You finally kicked Debbie Downer to the curb.
I thought it was a reverse jinx.
the sucker punch guy was arrested
Syracuse upsets Clemson. Penn State should go to #2 unless they get screwed.
What happened o Chis Maragos last night?
Just saw a quick breakdown on Facebook by Geoff Schwartz of the target to agholar in Arizona. Cardinals had one more coming than we could block and kelce managed to block the unblocked defender with one arm while still blocking his DT. Just an incredible play from a player i have wanted teplaced for two years.