As the Wentz Turns

Posted: November 7th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 215 Comments »

Carson Wentz is having an amazing sophomore season. His team is winning (8-1). He leads the NFL in touchdown passes (23) and has a passer rating of 104.1. There are a lot of people who think he should be the league’s MVP.

Not everyone loves Wentz.

His two most infamous critics are Scott Kacsmar of Football Outsiders and Cian Fahey. They really didn’t like him a year ago, but have eased up a bit, begrudgingly giving Wentz some credit. Still, it feels like pulling teeth to get them to acknowledge anything positive.

Many Eagles fans know who these guys are and hit them up on Twitter after every Wentz TD pass. Kacsmar and Fahey seem to think they are being asked to admit Wentz is the best QB in the league. Eagles fans can be a tad aggressive at times so I get some of this. But these guys bring this upon themselves by playing the semantics game to the nth degree.

The Eagles scored 51 points against the best defense in the league. Great showing, right?

True. That isn’t an amazing stat line. But what about scoring all those points?

Okay…

So now the standard for Wentz is matching one of the greatest QBs of all time in a game from arguably the greatest QB season in NFL history. Seems fair.

The funny thing here is that Kacsmar hated Wentz initially because he saw him as a dink and dunk QB. He likes air yards.

Wentz did throw a lot of short passes last year. He was a rookie, playing most of the year without his RT, and had the weakest set of weapons in the league. Of course you are going to throw a lot of short passes. This was a fair criticism, but Kacsmar rarely seemed to give it context. This year Wentz is 8th in the league, averaging 7.8 yards per passing attempt. The Eagles are a terrible screen team so most of the big plays are due to air yards. I guess we’ve moved on from that criticism.

Kacsmar has made sure to point out that the Eagles have benefited from turnovers. They have had more drives start in the Red Zone than any other team and Wentz has 5 TDs on those drives. Those are “easy” TDs. It is fair to point out Wentz has benefited from those situations. If we take them away, Wentz is still tied for 2nd in the league with 18 TD passes. That’s impressive, right?

Here’s the bottom line. Wentz is a good QB having a terrific season. Kacsmar doesn’t care for him. Wentz just isn’t his cup of tea. He also doesn’t care much for Tom Brady so this isn’t some anti-Eagles agenda. Scott is a smart analyst and pretty good writer. Eagles fans piling on him at every opportunity doesn’t help matters, but Kacsmar just comes across as way too obstinate on this subject with the way he finds the negative angle to nearly everything Wentz does.

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Fahey really doesn’t like Wentz. He detailed all of his flaws back in March of 2016.

One player who Fahey loved was Vernon Adams. From the gridiron masterpiece “Vernon Adams Deserves to be A First-Round Pick in the 2016 NFL Draft”.

Jared Goff and Carson Wentz are considered the top two quarterbacks in this class. One of them is most likely going to be the second-overall pick for the Cleveland Browns or the seventh-overall pick for the San Francisco 49ers. Both could even go in the top 10. Neither should though.

Goff and Wentz are both closer to the perception of what makes a good NFL starter inside the league, but Adams is the better prospect. On first viewing, Goff appeared to be the best prospect. It’s easy to fall into that trap. Adams is shorter and plays in that Oregon system so the first viewing of his skill set can be misleading.

Adams was not a 1st round pick. The NFL didn’t think as highly of Adams as Fahey did. He is now in the CFL, as a backup. Adams went 1 for 3 for 8 yards this year.

Anyone who writes about draft prospects is going to be wrong. I thought Kevin Kolb was going to start for the Eagles and be a good QB. I liked Danny Watkins and thought age was the only concern with him. He was one of the safest picks in the draft. I just knew Matt McCoy and Ryan Moats were going to be stars for the Eagles. Loved those guys. Oops.

When you’re wrong, admit it and move on.

I always say that I hope I’m wrong when I rip a draft prospect. I would rather my opinion be wrong and that kid get to live out his dreams.

Fahey watched Wentz as a rookie and wasn’t impressed. He wrote about him this summer, comparing Wentz to Blake Bortles.

Nothing about Wentz’s rookie season suggested he fit Lurie’s definition of a franchise quarterback: “someone who has the physical talent, the mental leadership qualities, and mental toughness to be a consistently winning quarterback that puts you in contention to win a championship. He has to have that ‘it’ factor. The single most important trait is the mental fortitude to handle the challenges that face a young quarterback. He has to be a smart quarterback — in today’s NFL, quarterbacks have to routinely make intricate decisions in 2.5 seconds or less.”

Sure, Wentz could get better. He might actually turn into the generational talent he’s often described as, but there’s no rational reason to expect him to.

The funny thing is that a lot of people who watched Wentz play last year felt just the opposite. There was evidence that he could take a big leap forward. Obviously you had to have an open mind. If you expected him to fail, that’s what you were going to see. It wasn’t as if Wentz was great in the month of December and announced to the whole world that he would become a star QB this year. It was more subtle than that.

*****

Leave it to Derek so summarize things brilliantly and succinctly.

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One storyline we’re starting to see is that Doug Pederson does too good a job designing and calling plays. Almost any QB could make this play, right?

The NFL will adjust to these plays and then Wentz will be exposed as the mediocre player he really is.

Bullshit.

That play is a designed RPO, but exactly how is that different from a QB getting outside and then making a defender choose whether to come after the QB or stay back in coverage? The RPO is designed, but the concept is the same. And Wentz has shown he is very good on making touch throws to targets on the move while he is on the move. Not everyone can do that. Wentz has made similar plays before.

Offensive and defensive coaches have been playing cat and mouse games for more than a century. Defenses will adjust. Offenses will adjust to that.

If Wentz only made plays like this, I would say this is a valid criticism, but that’s just not the case. He hit Trey Burton for a 27-yard TD on a sluggo route, something that all teams use. Last week Zach Ertz caught a short TD on a play-action pass. That’s Football 101. Last week Wentz hit Mack Hollins for a 24-yard gain on a Bang 8 route. Don Coryell and Norv Turner have used that over and over for 40 years.

Mixing a traditional NFL playbook with some college concepts is a good thing. It helps the QB adjust to the NFL quicker. You don’t want to rely on those plays too much. At some point you must be able to execute base plays that work due to precision timing and execution. “Gotcha” plays should be a tool, not the foundation of the offense.

*****

Evaluating Carson Wentz is tough. Eagles fans just haven’t seen anything like this. Peak Ron Jaworski or Peak McNabb weren’t this good. Vick gave us an amazing ride for part of a season in 2010, but even that was different.

Wentz is not the best QB in football. Aaron Rodgers is still the king of the mountain. Tom Brady is still a freak. Drew Brees is having a great year and will be a HOF’er. After those three, I think it really gets down to style points. What kind of QB do you like? How important are intangibles?

Russell Wilson has a Super Bowl win and does some amazing things, especially behind a terrible OL. Dak Prescott, Jared Goff and Wentz will always be compared closely because they came in at the same time. Deshaun Watson looked freakishly good before he got hurt.

There are some terrific veterans having up and down years. Cam Newton, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford are inconsistent this season. Young guys Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Derek Carr have all been slowed by injuries.

If I have to pick a guy to win one game for me, I’m probably going with Brady. If I’m picking a QB for the next decade, I’m going with Wentz. You can also make a compelling argument for Wilson, Prescott, Goff or Watson there.

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As much as Eagles fans love Wentz, it is good to have some people who don’t like him. It helps to have informed opinions from those who see things differently to provide some perspective. It is a shame that some of those people seem to take things to the other extreme.

Imagine one of the critics looking at the stats below and trying to find the negative slant to that.

Wentz is good.

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215 Comments on “As the Wentz Turns”

  1. 1 Smoky said at 12:42 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Maybe great

  2. 2 Charlie Kelly said at 12:55 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Wentz is good?

    I concur.

  3. 3 scratcherk said at 9:21 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    you should take that analyst’s job

  4. 4 Eagles4life said at 1:14 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I think the real criticism should be can wentz and Doug be able to sustain this level of play over the course of the season into playoffs and into next season and beyond? This season most definitely because of how they have handled each and every game so far! Against Panthers was probably the biggest game of the year so far and see how it turned out! Success in playoffs remains to be seen and we have every reason to believe Eagles can go far into playoffs because of two major checks we have going in favor and that is running the call effectively and stopping the run! Having QB playing at an elite level is icing on the cake!
    As long as Wentz is healthy and he has a good supporting cast around him, Eagles will be contender year in and year out.

  5. 5 sonofdman said at 1:47 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    For a supposed numbers guy Scott Kacsmar is full of shit. Over and over again he discounts certain numbers Wentz puts up and then compares the remaining numbers to other QBs’ total numbers. That is just terrible statistical analysis. I thought the point of use statistical measures and analytics is to find objective measurements. You lose all credibility when you constantly play with the numbers to try to prove a subjective opinion. What a hack.

  6. 6 It Ain't Easy Being Green said at 4:05 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    He’s probably a money-ball guy in the vein of Sashi Brown who can’t understand the eye-test and intangibles. The most stubborn of these types have their own hierarchy of stats are more important than others and would die by their own system than realize the methodology is flawed. Even Sashi admitted yesterday that the Wentz ordeal is now a learning experience for them so they don’t repeat the same mistake. Wentz could win 5 Super Bowls but if his completion percentage and YP/A isn’t >65% and >8.0, he’d be mediocre by these knuckleheads’ standards.

  7. 7 sonofdman said at 4:33 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    That’s what I thought last year when he insisted on the importance of air yards while ignoring the context. But now it seems like he is so committed to concluding that Wentz isn’t good, he is willing to use any methodology and discount any stat (including air yards) as long as he can reach the desired conclusion. I would probably have more respect for him, if his ridiculous opinion was based on some objective measurement/methodology, no matter how flawed.

  8. 8 Gary Barnes said at 11:43 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    SB are not won by QB. Football is a team game and the team wins SB. That is the root of the whole fallacy of these media “experts” evaluating Wentz or any other QB in a vacuum. Along with Wentz, our defense, ST, OL and run game all are major reasons we are doing so well so far. Focusing just on Wentz is silly.

  9. 9 Tommy L said at 9:43 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    “SB are not won by QB. Football is a team game and the team wins SB.”

    Good for you. Quintessential team game.

  10. 10 Ankerstjernen said at 6:28 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    The whole “lets subtract five touchdowns from his total for some arbitrary contextual reason and then compare the remaining number to every one elses full totals without context and then cherry pick a single new variable to rank that pool of players to prove an overarching point about ability”-excuse for a statistical analysis is literally laughable. As in, I was laughing into my coffee cup over how pathetic it was. Just ignore this man.

  11. 11 sonofdman said at 8:00 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Yeah, that is exactly my point. What a joke.

  12. 12 Average__Joseph said at 10:00 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Remember, French entomologist August Magnan wrote the bumblebee’s flight is not possible. To him also, the “statistical analysis” was more important than the “eye test.” Who knows maybe Kacsmar and Magnan are related.

    A little something to think about.

    Just An Average Joseph

  13. 13 It Ain't Easy Being Green said at 4:12 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    There are so many variables year-in, year-out in the NFL, that I think that we almost HAVE to win the Lombardi this year. How many teams have we seen make it one year, and then for a variety of circumstances, are mediocre-to-bad for X amount of years afterwards? Look how far the mighty Falcons of last year have fallen with virtually the same players. A new OC and a slumping defense, and now they’re well behind the Saints and looking disjointed. Who’s to say that they’ll get to another Super Bowl anytime soon? Barring any more injuries, we have to mash the accelerator and just be as aggressive as possible. We’ve become hot enough that we may not have our OC, DC, and ST coordinators next year. Win now or never.

    Go Birds.

  14. 14 Forthebirds said at 9:58 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I agree with the now, but not the never. When you have an elite QB and great or really good Olines and Dlines, you are building a team that can compete for several years. i think the eagles are building such a team. Yes, a lot can happen. We’ve already lost Peters, Hicks, Sproles, and Darby( for half a season). But here they are at 8-1 and winning by double digits. I’m not saying they’re going to be the next Pats. But this is a young team and i believe it is going to make the playoffs multiple times. That said, nothing about the future is a given. Win now. This is our year.

  15. 15 D3FB said at 1:07 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    The beauty of having a 24 year old franchise QB is we’ll have more shots at it.

  16. 16 Insomniac said at 4:19 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Dougie is for real
    Wentz is for real
    Howie is for real
    Joe Douglas is for real

    The entire organization seemed to take a giant step towards the right direction. It’s a good time to be an Eagles fan and hopefully better times ahead.

  17. 17 Guy Media said at 5:42 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Fahey and Kacsmar need to capitulate or be run off of Twitter!

    Also, if the Eagles make a Super Bowl, there are several members of the media who should be so harassed and heckled in public that they’re unable to do any outdoors broadcasting during Super Bowl week. The Eagles fan base ran Merrill Hoge out of Jacksonville in 2005, we’ll have to do the same with Rodney Harrison and Skip Bayless as well.

  18. 18 GermanEagle said at 6:00 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Thanks Tommy for bringing back Matt McCoy nigtmares.

    On that note: I’m not always right, but never wrong.

  19. 19 Forthebirds said at 10:10 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    and even when I’m wrong, I’m still righter than you are (not you personally).

  20. 20 ColorSgt said at 6:37 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I am not familiar with these guys. Do they work for the Browns?

  21. 21 or____ said at 7:36 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I believe the correct answer is “not even”.

  22. 22 sonofdman said at 7:59 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Ha!

  23. 23 Rob Jarratt said at 6:50 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Should we care at all about how Wentz stacks up with the other quarterbacks in the league? I don’t. It’s way too early in his career to make a judgment. All I care about is how he leads the Eagles’ offense and how he fits in as a teammate. His humility and self-deprecation is infectious and should not be discounted. Team culture is a big factor.

    The most important “statistic” is how Wentz wins games. All I care about is W-L.

  24. 24 usmcnole said at 7:26 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Well said. This team has a solid character as a whole and much of that, I believe, is from Wentz and his style of leadership. The team believes in him and he believes in his teammates

  25. 25 Corry said at 7:41 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Yeah, I don’t care much about how national pundits feel about the team. I’m enjoying the ride, and it’s been awesome so far.

  26. 26 Insomniac said at 6:52 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Nick Wright has a very punchable face.

  27. 27 Forthebirds said at 10:05 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    And a head made for nuggies.

  28. 28 Dave said at 7:21 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    It seems like a lot of people judge Wentz based on stats and film-breakdown of his throws. The most important characteristic he has that very few others do is the study habits that lead to the pre- and post-snap reads.

    Lots of guys have great arms, Brees, Brady, and Manning separate themselves from the pack by preparation and understanding of the defenses they face.

    Wentz’s mechanics will surely get better over the next few years, but his understanding of defenses is what has me most excited about his future.

  29. 29 A_T_G said at 7:44 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Hey Tommy, I hope you don’t mind if I share this with the two analysts on Twitter. It is certainly more persuasive than the 140-character “You are an idiot” messages they typically receive.

  30. 30 or____ said at 7:50 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Was it you or AcViking that Kempski posted in an article the other day?

  31. 31 Bert's Bells said at 7:55 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    It was an AC “memory lane” stat.

  32. 32 or____ said at 9:33 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Oh right.

  33. 33 or____ said at 7:49 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’d be funny if there were stats for analysts/writers/guys on the internet. Like these two, would have very low completion percentages, butt-fumbles galore, probably greater INTs than TDs, but perhaps absurdly high 2nd down yardage stats or something like that.

  34. 34 xmbk said at 7:58 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Whatever happened to actually watching a guy play and maybe understanding the game enough to trust your eyes? There’s a place for analytics, but if you use them too much, that place is Cleveland.

  35. 35 Dave said at 8:04 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    On the flip side to that coin is the Josh McDaniels/Chip Kelly mantra of “the guys just knows how to win”, hence Tebow’s repeated chances at the QB position.

  36. 36 xmbk said at 8:16 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    That’s not the flip side, that’s believing in magic. If your eyes can’t see the difference between what Tebow did and what Wentz does, you need to stop writing professionally about pro football.

    What Wentz does pre snap is so beyond his years. He’s a huge part of why the run game looks so good, and it’s not just because they have to respect his arm. He’s constantly running into the D’s weakness, or audibles out of running into strength. He has Peyton/Brady potential in that regard.

  37. 37 Dave said at 11:01 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I think you missed my point.

  38. 38 Ark87 said at 8:05 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Damn this was frustrating to read. I’ve heardrum of them, but I tend to stay àway from guys like this.

    It’s fine to throw out an unpopular opinion, by all means shoot your shot.But don’t make a outdated opinion your hill to die on. You are in the industry of analysis, you take a limited amount of data and observations and make a subjective projection. If you don’t update your opinion as new data and observations come in, or only cherry pick the data and observations that support your original thesis, you kill your credibility. Ironically you do this out of some sense of pride and want to save face. But this type of stuff wrecks your reputation.

    Lombardi is doing the same thing with Doug. https://twitter.com/ringer/status/904373448889122817

    Irony of irony. The Eagles were right and Lombardi is wrong. Now everyone wants to know, “When will Lombardi admit his mistake”

    Great rule though, the sooner you admit your mistake the better off you’ll be. Hardee the follow than it sounds, it seems.

  39. 39 Corry said at 8:52 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    The worst part of Lombardi’s take is that lifespan of almost every coach ends in being fired. Unless you coach the Steelers or are Bill Belichek, you’re going to end up fired. So when it inevitably happens to Doug, Lombardi will pipe up with: “SEE?! I TOLD YOU SO!”

  40. 40 Ark87 said at 9:17 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Let’s see, if we get to the Superbowl, win or lose, assuming 1st or 2nd seed, then he coaches a full season next year. 3×16=48 +3 post season, boom 51. Then we let him have it. Doug could help us out a bunch by winning a superbowl this year

  41. 41 or____ said at 9:35 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Haha, Very funny.

    That way we can maybe get a Lombardi win AND a superbowl trophy.

  42. 42 sonofdman said at 12:28 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I actually listened to some of his video thing yesterday where he talked about the Eagles and Rams to see what he would say about Pederson. He didn’t mention Pederson at all. He said Wentz is great, the Eagles defense is great, and maybe the Broncos defense isn’t as good as everyone thought, but didn’t give any credit to Pederson or mention him at all. When they started talking about the Rams, the first thing Lombardi said is that Sean McVay is doing an amazing job of having his team prepared and is definitely the coach of the year. So he isn’t still bashing Pederson, but it was noticeable that he went out of his way to not mention or give any credit to Pederson for how the Eagles areplaying.

  43. 43 Ark87 said at 1:04 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Yeah, I actually listen to all the Ringer NFL podcasts. That one issue is glaring though. We hit him hard after every win. And he always has some nit pick and hur hur hurs and Tate is a coward, kind of Billy Bush’s along with it.

  44. 44 sonofdman said at 2:56 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Yeah, I didn’t know who the other guy was, but he definitely let him skate on what seemed like a glaring omission.

  45. 45 Ark87 said at 7:57 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I much more enjoy Mays and Clark, 2 very different guys who are more than will to just hard disagree with each other if it comes to it (though the show isn’t designed to generate those disagreements). But even they have kept their heads down when it comes to that coaching topic. This is the first week they acknowledged that the success the Eagles have had will earn Doug accolades. But yeah, aside from that it’s a good set of podcasts, it’s even actually kind of fun when Lombardi is a complete tool to a team like say, the Browns.

  46. 46 A Roy said at 1:06 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’s like watching McClane when he’s on Sportsnet…any mention of Howie getting credit requires a knee jerk reaction to real and imagined mistakes he thinks Howie’s made. I just ignore those who refuse to be swayed by facts. (That’s why I don’t bother arguing politics anymore.)

  47. 47 xmbk said at 8:08 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    In other news… Benching Fournette was a brilliant move, for several reasons. If the Jags pull it together for a stretch run, Coughlin/Marrone deserve credit right here.

  48. 48 or____ said at 9:36 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Hindsight.

  49. 49 xmbk said at 10:34 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    No, it was always a good move. Losing would have led to criticism, but that just makes it an even better move, having the balls to make the call.

  50. 50 begatts6174 said at 8:10 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Tommy, any idea how many drives started in the Red Zone via a defensive turnover, and how many the Eagles offense (Wentz) converted? is it 5 for 5??Good teams and good QBs take advantage of those opportunities and cash in. The Eagles overall are about 72% this year in the Red Zone and 90% over their last 3 games (100% vs. Broncos, Sunday). Good teams cash in and Wentz is the biggest component of that success.

  51. 51 Buge Halls said at 8:26 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I have never heard of either one of those guys. They really don’t seem to competent if they can’t admit that Wentz is have a great year – not just a great sophomore year – a great year, period. They almost remind me of Skip talking his Cowpukes bull!

  52. 52 Buge Halls said at 8:33 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I just love he he destroys the little geeks arguments one by one!

  53. 53 Forthebirds said at 10:06 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I remember a coach saying, “you are what your record says you are.”

  54. 54 Masked Man said at 8:34 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    If Wentz threw 4 TDs on 4 passes, then our offense would be tremendously efficient.

    Why criticize Wentz if he takes less passes to get the job done? It’s kind of stupid. Wentz only needed 15 completions on 27 attempts to make 4 TDs.

    Yay! We win. Go Eagles!

  55. 55 kajomo said at 12:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Not to mention AJ dropped 2-3 passes on him.

  56. 56 eagleyankfan said at 8:36 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Writer A has a job and that job is trash/play devils advocate/be a ‘shock’. I don’t understand why people would even follow them. I’ve never heard of those guys. Doesn’t a good defense(giving offense more time in red zone/other side a field) and a good QB = winning football? (and those guys are complaining/using that as an argument against Wentz?)
    …..
    They were the only people last year screaming Wentz isn’t worth the move up. A LOT of people here didn’t like it either. Let’s not act like they were the only 2.
    …..
    I’m no pro evaluator. I watch and make up my own opinions. Watched Wentz last and after only a few games sent a text to a friend — Wentz > 5. Of course he argued(rightfully so) cause he’s still a rookie. My mind was made up then and how Wentz is progressing is pretty amazing – beyond my expectations. Watched GB young qb last night – he’s a mess. The game is too fast for him right now. Someone posted numbers on him and said it’s a big improvement. Numbers don’t matter. He was pretty bad and has a long way to go….
    …..
    Does managing a game count as a way to ‘measure’ a person? If so – those 2 are not paying attention….

  57. 57 Tom33 said at 9:22 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Yeah – I’m not sure why anybody cares what these 2 guys think. I do see the arguments on Twitter though and find it amusing.

    I’d rather listen to the NFL guys who play and coach with Carson, or the NFL guys who play and coach against him. I think there is a consensus that he is a good player who has the chance to be special.

  58. 58 Ark87 said at 9:29 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Getting tired of hearing about barely beating the Giants on a miracle kick, as if that game wasn’t going into overtime if we missed. Giants were at least competitive back then too. But no, now people act like the quitters who played last Sunday against the Rams would have beat us if not for a crazy field goal.

  59. 59 Average__Joseph said at 9:52 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Great article but I have to disagree with part of this statement about Mr. Kacsmar, “Scott is a smart analyst and pretty good writer.” He may be pretty good writer to some but I do not believe he is a “smart analyst.” His style is to have a conclusion based on his own arbitrarily chosen data and then work back to a theory…that’s not the way “discovery” works. If he were a coach he would be more Chip Kelly than Doug Pederson.

    To quote Quint from Jaws: Well it proves one thing, Mr. Hooper [Kacsmar]. It proves that you wealthy college boys don’t have the education enough to admit when you’re wrong.

    Just An Average Joseph

  60. 60 SJHaack said at 9:56 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    The thing that’s frustrating is by his own metrics, Wentz is hovering near a Top 5 quarterback this season, and it’s a Top 10 offense.

    The fact Kacsmar doesn’t like Tom Brady either is pretty telling. The reason he doesn’t like Wentz?

    He’s a Steelers fan. Tada!

  61. 61 Bert's Bells said at 10:12 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I don’t like Brady either, but he’s an amazing QB.

  62. 62 Fufina said at 11:11 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Yeah any line of QB analysis that comes out with not rating Brady as one of the greatest of all times is probably pretty flawed.

    If Brady wins 5 super bowls without lots of air yards then perhaps its not that important….

  63. 63 Philadelphian said at 9:58 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    I think it comes down to ego. When you make a prediction whether someone is good or bad, your ego gets in the way if proven wrong.

    Anyone using a HOF QB as a barometer to how good a 2nd year QB is today, is obviously not able to be subjective.

  64. 64 Seth S. Scott said at 10:10 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    nice writeup, criticism is always a good thing…especially when you can prove it wrong. If they are right, welp, you’re a human being and you can continue to work…..as Wentz and all the Eagles have this year (and offseason).

  65. 65 mtn_green said at 10:48 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    Saw Doug added Andy Reid style jet sweep plays.

  66. 66 Gary Barnes said at 11:32 AM on November 7th, 2017:

    If we win something significant this year, Wentz and the team will get their kudos. It is likely the last thing on his mind and should be for us fans as well. Winning takes care of all – I dislike the media game of “who is better” and “who was right”. It will be taken care of on the field and will be clear as the final scoreboard.

  67. 67 kajomo said at 12:47 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I agree Wentz doesn’t even think about this stuff, but why shouldn’t we do so as fans. Fan is short for fanatic. We are supposed to be crazy, irrational, and loyal to a fault. I don’t have to keep focused and play in Sunday’s. I get to be excited and support my boy Wentz any time I want. It’s what fandom is all about

  68. 68 Gary Barnes said at 7:13 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I did not mean to preach; absolutely do whatever makes you happy. I’ve just been burned too many times to ride the roller coaster anymore. I watch all the games and follow the team eagerly, but block out all the media hype/criticism and ignore the football talking heads who have little clue as to what is going on or why in my experience.

  69. 69 Dragon_Eagle said at 12:14 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Bye week sucks.

  70. 70 Ark87 said at 12:22 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’s not so bad, 1 week per football season we get to kick back and make fun of everyone elses’ team. And as a bonus we get to sit in the glow of 8-1 an extra week.

    I like to watch Eagles games alone, because all my friends could give less of a crap. This week I can go troll my Bears’ fan friend and Jets’ fan friend. Good stuff.

  71. 71 Dragon_Eagle said at 6:36 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    No, it sucks. I have no patience. Only thing good about it, is that its shorter than the offseason.

    But, yeah, will enjoy watching others lose and mocking rival fans – because I can. Still sucks, though.

  72. 72 Ark87 said at 7:19 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I know you have the same unhealthy relationship with the Eagles that I have because I’ve watched you ritualistically predict the Eagles getting blown out for weeks. It’s finally a week you don’t have to smother you hopes and dreams to protect yourself from disappointment. You get to watch other people have their hopes and dreams smothered and then exploit their vulnerability! Maybe enjoy some football on the side. For one week, that can’t be all bad.

    I’m totally kidding, I get bored of the bye week about 2 quarters into the 1:00 games. Not really a whole lot else to look forward around the league besides the Eagles this year. A few weeks ago, with a win firmly in hand, I got to sit back and watch Russel Wilson and Deshaun Watson light up the world, that was good stuff. Doesn’t look like I have anything like that in store this weekend.

  73. 73 levdog said at 5:54 AM on November 8th, 2017:

    We get to root for Atlanta against Dallas.

  74. 74 Mac said at 1:04 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I disagree… The timing of this year’s bye week is fantastic, and I hope the players all take the necessary time to let their bodies heal up before the final push toward the playoffs.

  75. 75 ChoTime said at 11:45 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Remember what happened the last time we had time off? I didn’t like that movie.

  76. 76 Mac said at 12:38 AM on November 8th, 2017:

    You mean the horribly timed week 4 bye… Followed by 10 weeks without Lane? I have a feeling it’s going to be different this year. Carson is different, this defense is special, and it’s Dallas week.

  77. 77 ChoTime said at 12:21 PM on November 8th, 2017:

    I meant earlier this year, after the Carolina game. It took us about a half to get our s__t together.

  78. 78 Someguy77 said at 12:30 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Kacsmar reminds me of a sell-side analyst who made a pretty pronounced call on a company and refuses to change his story even if the evidence is mounting that it was a lousy prediciton.

  79. 79 Someguy77 said at 12:32 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-roster-stocked-players-who-have-something-prove

    Interesting article although bringing in a number of FAs like the Eagles did this offseason doesn’t normally work out all that well (see Dream Teams I & II).

  80. 80 kajomo said at 12:44 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Or the Giants

  81. 81 DJH said at 12:35 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    This is the part that really interests me:

    “The NFL will adjust to these plays and then Wentz will be exposed as the mediocre player he really is.

    Bullshit.”

    I read after the Broncos game that Wentz was even more changes at the line than he normally does. This was against the #1 defense.

    Forget all the stats (which are amazing for sure), if Wentz is consistently able to get the offense into the best play and protection based on what he is seeing from the defense, then this bodes incredibly well for regular season games going forward, but most importantly playoff games.

    I’d like to hear more about this. This is what excites me about Wentz. Our offense has good RBs, TEs, and WRs. We appear to have a coach and a QB who know how to use these weapons on a play-by-play basis to attack a defense. That’s dangerous.

    Is this what we are seeing unfold, or have Wentz and Peterson simply not met a good, prepared defense yet?

  82. 82 DJH said at 12:47 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Another element of Carson’s game beyond the stats that I’m excited about is that—with a small sample size if we don’t include college—he seems to shine when the game is bigger. The Sunday night game against Washington for example of even the Broncos game. Again this bodes well for the playoffs. If this pattern holds, rather than see him step back in big situations we may see his play—and the play of those around him—elevate.

  83. 83 Masked Man said at 3:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Doug n Carson are going to slice and dice that Dallas D all day

  84. 84 Masked Man said at 3:47 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    That RPO is an equalizer. Run Pass Option gives the offense a real time opportunity to adjust to what the defense is doing after the snap and during the actual play.

    RPO takes away the D’s ability to trick the play caller on the field with disguised coverage looks. The more options the offense has, the easier it is to defeat the defense.

  85. 85 kajomo said at 12:43 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I’m done being moderate conservative about Carson. He has ath football IQ of Peyton and the physical skill set of Big Ben. Barring a crazy injury I fully expect Carson to have a HoF career. I know some will call that crazy, but his trajectory and his obsession with improving leave me with no other conclusion. Go Birds

  86. 86 Masked Man said at 3:43 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    And Wentz executes slick offensive game plans like Brady.

  87. 87 BrettConnolly said at 10:35 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    That is crazy, but because of how unique a skillset he has, he has the ability to reach any goal he sets. Especially agree with your point about his dedication to improving.

  88. 88 cshav10 said at 12:44 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Sunday’s game – where he got rid of the ball fast and kept the offense moving – was another “check the box” moment for him. Fast decision making is a huge part of being an elite QB in this league.

  89. 89 wee2424 said at 1:11 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Wow. That block (punch) by LJ on Miller was soooooo sick.

  90. 90 Bert's Bells said at 4:02 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Speaking of punches, it’s absolute malarkey that AJ Green isn’t suspended.

    Goodell drops the hammer for ticky tack scuttlebutt, but going McGregor after the whistle is somehow acceptable?

  91. 91 meteorologist said at 4:10 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    AJ was ejected. Mike Evans wasn’t

  92. 92 Bert's Bells said at 4:25 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Still, he ought to be suspended for closed fist punching.

    Evans’ not getting tossed is beside the point.

  93. 93 FairOaks said at 12:14 AM on November 9th, 2017:

    Closed fist punching a helmet hurts the puncher more, usually. Rather dumb thing to do.

    In general, if you get tossed from a game, you are much less likely to get a further suspension. He deserves a fine in addition though. Track record is also taken into account — AJ Green is apparently among the more mild-mannered players in the league normally so it was a huge shock to see him react like that.

  94. 94 Ankerstjernen said at 6:09 AM on November 8th, 2017:

    Also, as a WR, punching a dude in the helmet is just plain stupidity. There is no way he can hurt the other guy, who is wearing A HELMET. But there is a fairly good chance that, if he lands a proper punch, that he will break his hand. Hard to catch the football with displaced fingers.

  95. 95 Sean E said at 1:23 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’s a lot of fun watching someone in a severe state of cognitive dissonance. The FO writer made a huge bet, arguably risking his reputation on his criticism of Wentz. Any piece of evidence that goes against his position is explained away or ignored. His brain will not allow him to admit that he isn’t a good predictor or evaluator, because that is part of his identity.

    I’m one of the lucky people who get to watch this almost ever day, because I did not risk my reputation on proclaiming that Trump can’t win the election. The people who globbed onto that narrative are still, to this day, inventing reasons why they were actually right. They will literally hallucinate that we have an incompetent President, who is stupid (yet won the election), did it at less than half the price that Hillary paid, and is also a Russia-sympathizing neo-Nazi who hates POC and LGBT even though he has explicitly said he wants to help them. It’s a lot of fun!!!

  96. 96 kajomo said at 1:30 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I think we can all agree Trump is nowhere as good a president as Wentz is an NFL QB.

  97. 97 Julescat said at 4:14 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Wentz for Mount Rushmore?

  98. 98 Bert's Bells said at 1:33 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    STFU with the Trump bullshit.

  99. 99 or____ said at 1:34 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Which is why I’ve had this guy blocked for months.

  100. 100 Bert's Bells said at 1:34 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    A little politics is natural, but c’mon man.

  101. 101 or____ said at 1:38 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Perhaps, and it’s been quite a while since I’ve actually seen one of his posts, but I believe it was far from “a little politics”.

  102. 102 Sean E said at 1:40 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    You blocked me because you don’t like hearing dissenting opinions. Living in your little bubble must be great.

  103. 103 laeagle said at 2:53 AM on November 8th, 2017:

    I’m thinking you have the right of it. Different points of view are great, so long as they’re not delusional, cultist, and brazenly stupid.

  104. 104 Sean E said at 1:39 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Kind of funny how you guys bring it up any chance you get, but when it’s thrown back at you you have a tissy fit. Man up, stop crying.

  105. 105 Bert's Bells said at 1:45 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Boo Hoo.

    If we were looking to bring up the handsy landlord at “any chance” an article about a guy who can’t admit he’s wrong would have been the perfect place.

  106. 106 Sean E said at 1:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Handsy Landlord is pretty funny. Especially funny since so much of Hollywood spoke out against him, while so much of Hollywood was molesting people.

    edit: in all sincerity, Handsy Landlord is up there with “Crooked Hillary” in terms of nicknames.

  107. 107 Bert's Bells said at 1:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Well he is a reality TV star, and the movie industry is full of immoral rapists, what’s your point?

  108. 108 laeagle said at 2:52 AM on November 8th, 2017:

    Oh please stop with that ridiculous right wing talking point. No one can talk about how “handsy” is bad because look, there are handsy people on the “left” (all of whom have since been pretty much run out of their careers and are now facing legal battles).

    If you really thought being “handsy” was so terrible, you wouldn’t have voted for the guy who boasted on tape about what he could do with his hands. Spare us if we’re not really buying into the strength of your moral outrage.

  109. 109 laeagle said at 11:30 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It truly is funny how we bring up that thing you just brought up. Amazingly funny.

  110. 110 ChoTime said at 1:51 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Anyone who hangs their hat on a politician has just impeached their own judgment as a citizen.

  111. 111 Sean E said at 1:53 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Not hanging my hat, merely using him as a great example of inducing cognitive dissonance in people. This article is about cognitive dissonance. I thought it was an interesting parallel, especially considering, statistically, 82.3% of you voted against him.

  112. 112 Bert's Bells said at 2:00 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I think you mean 53.6%

  113. 113 Sean E said at 2:04 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    IDK just going off of Philadelphia districts numbers,

    Vote by county
    Philadelphia
    Trump: 108,748
    Clinton: 584,025

  114. 114 Bert's Bells said at 2:07 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    The people on this site are from around the country. 53.6% of the country’s voters didn’t want Trump.

  115. 115 Sean E said at 2:11 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’s a shame Trump lost the contest that he wasn’t participating in. Too bad for HRC that she won a contest that was meaningless.

  116. 116 Bert's Bells said at 2:38 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Whatever.

  117. 117 ChoTime said at 11:44 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Pretty much all humans have cognitive dissonance, because we make up our minds first, then search for evidence to back up what we already thought. That applies to you just as well as those who seem to amuse you. Have you spent any time trying to figure out your own mind?

  118. 118 Ankerstjernen said at 5:24 AM on November 8th, 2017:

    I like how you use the term cognitive dissonance to defend the moral qualities of a president who, on a daily basis, is violating the basic moral codes and laws of your society. But I do wonder if the irony is apparent to you. I am guessing not.

  119. 119 Bert's Bells said at 1:57 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Unless it’s Pat Paulsen!

  120. 120 laeagle said at 11:31 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It sounds like someone lost an argument with his social studies teacher and has decided to take it out on us.

  121. 121 Masked Man said at 3:42 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    (You can find posters with common interests on Breitbart or the Hill.)

  122. 122 Sean E said at 3:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I prefer not to hide in an echo chamber.

  123. 123 Ark87 said at 5:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    “who hates POC and LGBT even though he has explicitly said he wants to help them.”

    That’s a bit too naive to take seriously. Even Trump supporters know he’s a lying nasty SOB, you voted for him because he’s your lying nasty SOB.

    Oh my gosh you guys, a politician on the campaign trail explicity says he wants to help people of color and LGBTQ. Why did he try to ban transgenders from the military. Oh my gosh I just completely misread him! As a draft-dodger he was just following the golden rule, he didn’t want to serve so why would a transgender want to, he was doing them a favor by relieving them of duty! And he just wants people of color to stay away from America via wall and travel ban for their own good! And golly, I bet jolly Don hated police violence against people of color, which should be reserved for the people of color who are thugs (nazis though, don’t judge, some of them are fine people), until those sons of bitches started disrespecting the military! Don’s definitely never disrespected any POW’s or gold star families, and can’t sit by idly while others do. You know what, now that you pointed out that some guy begging for votes explicitly said something, it puts all of his actions in a completely different light. /s

  124. 124 Sean E said at 6:28 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    People with disabilities aren’t allowed to serve, does that mean that anyone who is in support of that is anti-handicapped people?

    Expecting the US Gov’t to pay for gender reassignment, and the related nonsense that goes along with it is ridiculous.

  125. 125 Ark87 said at 6:37 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    You’re so right, oh my gosh, how was I so deluded. Transgenders are like handicapped people. So clear now.

    Why should Americans pay for anything a veteran might need. You know what, now that I look at it, get all the moochers with their medical and mental health nonsense they need to keep them combat ready to die for your freedom the hell out, shut down the VA and Tricare. I prefer the heroes that don’t ask anything of their country in return. It’s just good business sense!

  126. 126 Sean E said at 6:41 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    You’re acting as though real medical and health issues for veterans are comparable to a mental condition telling you that your penis needs to be chopped off.

  127. 127 Ark87 said at 6:56 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    So right! The military totally doesn’t accommodate non-combat related medical and mental health expenses like asthma, near/far sightedness, depression, ADHD and so on. Tricky veterans. Abusing the system, putting their life in harms ways to game the Americans out of their tax dollars. Nice try! The Donald is on to you! Once he takes care of those pesky judges, he’ll find something that is truly best for LGBTQ, he explicitly said so.

  128. 128 Sean E said at 6:59 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Real Health Issues

    Asthma
    Non 20/20 vision
    Depression
    ADHD

    Not Real Health Issues

    I am actually a girl not a boy, please pay to chop off my penis

    Super simple stuff

  129. 129 Ark87 said at 7:03 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I trust you. I’m sure you’re totally qualified to de-legitimize transgenders. What are you, a doctor? I can tell! It shines through. Maybe a psychiatrist? The scholarly research you’ve probably done, you just can’t hide it.

  130. 130 Sean E said at 7:05 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I’m not delegitimizing them. They can do whatever they want, I just don’t want to pay for their completely elective operation. I also don’t want to pay for soldier’s tattoos or breast enlargement surgeries. It’s really not that complicated.

  131. 131 Ark87 said at 7:06 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’s so clear now.

  132. 132 RobNE said at 9:46 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    This is not about money. The pure corruption taking place the tax bill the healthcare bill etc. the money spent by us for trump going to his properties every weekend dwarfs the cost of transgendered military. There’s no reasonable argument that this is about the money but all this other stuff is ok.

  133. 133 RobNE said at 7:44 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    What has he done for gay rights? Done. Not said. Done.

  134. 134 Julescat said at 6:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    false narrative alert

  135. 135 Ark87 said at 7:37 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    The alert has been raised! Where’s the fake news son of a bitch at, I’ll give him what-for!

  136. 136 ChoTime said at 11:41 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    How did you make the “T’s” bold, and does that signify something in particular?

  137. 137 Ark87 said at 12:33 AM on November 8th, 2017:

    I know a few basic functions but I’m novice I’m not sure this will show. Thow these: around b before whatever you want to bold and around /b after. Same with i, for italics, u for underline, etc. I wanted to bold the T in LGBTQ because I wanted to highlight a relevant part of the quote before I made a point on trumps attempted action against the transgender folks who serve in our military even though he you know, explicitly expressed how much he cares about them.

    The whole thing was sarcastic and jerkish all the way through on my part. Thinking about deleting it, really not the atmosphere I want to contribute to here. I just got worked up. I work in the mental health field and one of my colleagues specializes in transgender/ gender non-conforming clients, in NC the bathroom bill state. And people acting like being transgender is elective sets me off, like anyone signs up on a whim for the daily humiliations and degredations because they thought being the other gender would be fun, needs to get a fucking clue. They haven’t seen a 19 year old kid on the verge of suicide grappling with this, make the transition, finally feel right inside their own skin just to commit suicide because of cowardly bullies. It’s one of those things where if you’re not transgender, you’ve never had to question your gender identity so sheer lack of imagination means you’re incapable of empathy, but people are shitty so they lack sympathy too, taking every chance to shit on an easy target and assume the worst of someone’s character. Even if they risked life and limb for your freedom.

  138. 138 ChoTime said at 12:23 PM on November 8th, 2017:

    Thanks, dude! It is a shame how people always need to find an other to denigrate, an enemy to dehumanize. It’s truly chimp behavior (btw, see Chimp Politics, by Haans der Waal, which was recommended reading by Newt Gingrich).

  139. 139 Ark87 said at 1:11 PM on November 8th, 2017:

    No problem! I’ll have to check it out

  140. 140 RobNE said at 6:08 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Most of us saw Trump for who he is before the election. He hasn’t changed.

  141. 141 Sean E said at 6:32 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Yea, he made it really clear for everyone. America First. Super simple stuff.

  142. 142 unhinged said at 7:10 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Take away a military budget larger than the next 6, unrivaled military power globally, and we are fast becoming a former empire. Donald can do nothing to change that

  143. 143 Sean E said at 7:24 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I understand that sentiment but it’s simply not true. Empires conquer countries, then claim them as colonies.

    Invading a country because its leader poses a threat to your own, then (at least attempting) to work with their people to set up their own democracy, that is not controlled by the USA, is simply not colonialism or empire building. You can argue with whether or not intervention should be our policy, but empire building is not the case.

  144. 144 unhinged said at 8:45 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Are you a HS freshman? Did I use the word colonialism? We are global bullies. Nobody is a legitimate threat to the U.S, military. You’re living in an empire. Accept it. The media that your guy likes to call “fake” is an owned tool used to keep the government suitable for popular consumption. We embrace the two biggest violators of international law in the middle east, and we demonize the most progressive Islamic nation on the planet…for the very reason that it will not do business with a rogue government that stands for nothing but its own domination. We have persisted in trying to remove Assad in Syria, despite the overwhelming evidence that the “civil war” there was an American instigated fabrication.
    Are you watching the news on North Korea? Are you aware that the rush to tackle the mad Kim Jong-un is a last ditch attempt to demonstrate American power? The guy is not mad. North Korean spies in Seoul lifted plans between Washington and Seoul to “decapitate” (i.e. assassinate) Kim Jong-un. He knows that the great empire doesn’t fuck with nuclear capability, so he went out and got it…for DEFENSIVE purposes. He isn’t going to back down, and we are not going to force his hand. If Trump tries to initiate a nuclear attack, his generals will stop him. And China sees all of this which is why Kim Jun-un still breathes. If you think your country stands for good in the world you are deluded.

  145. 145 Gary Barnes said at 7:20 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It is a lie, friend, just like everything else he says. He is a demagogue, pure and simple. It is Trump First always.

  146. 146 RobNE said at 7:43 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Which part of America is he helping?

  147. 147 unhinged said at 7:00 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Trump may know how to win an election but your kidding yourself if you think white supremacists and neo-nazis aren’t core members of his voting base. NFL players who protest (predominantly black) are “sons of bitches” and nazis screaming “Jews won’t replace us” (all caucasian) are “good people”. And from the guy who candidly said, “Who knew healthcare was so complicated?”, whose most used word is “very”, who has the vocabulary of a lazy fifth-grader, and who has threatened EVERYONE who has ever criticized him publicly….yeah, competency is definitely in play.
    Angry whites, having screwed themselves by buying into the lies and manipulation of Limbaugh and Hannity, voting right, feeling the rug get pulled out from under them, doubled down on the con artist. Did you like how he cleaned the swamp? He sold his base a pig in poke.

    Donald was a pro-choice liberal who had advocated for gun control decades before he saw the visceral disgust among many white voters with a black man in the WH. He was wily enough to run with the fabricated birther BS, which resonated with that same bunch. He ran an anti-establishment, populist campaign while Julien Assange and Edward Snowden exposed our media as lapdogs for a thoroughly imperial government that cares only about global domination and gives empty lip service to democracy and the American people. He needed the apocalyptic Steve Bannon to give his con the accouterments of a developed worldview, but he only cares about saying “I win”.

    https://harpers.org/archive/2017/09/w-w-e-the-people/

  148. 148 Sean E said at 7:05 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    from below,

    “Yes, because advocating for gay rights is a great way to pull in the racist conservative vote. Even in your hallucination, your logic makes no sense.”

  149. 149 laeagle said at 11:28 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Oh just go away. You talk about cognitive dissonance and then have a hard time trying to reconcile what people actually say about Trump into something you can process, justify, and belittle. Just, simply, stop.

  150. 150 laeagle said at 11:29 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Oh, and lest I forget:

    strawman

  151. 151 ChoTime said at 1:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I’m not really interested in Fahey or Kacsmar–the only times I’ve even seen their articles were when Eagles fans are linking to them and rebutting them (nevertheless, good article, Tommy, nice mix of facts and topicality).

    The thing is, football is a complicated, team sport, everyone from the Cleveland Browns’ legendary numbers guy to the drunk at the bar has his own opinion, to which he is unreasonably attached, and there’s no reason to assume those opinions should all be the same.

    I happen to think Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers are significantly better QBs than Tom Brady. Reasonable minds disagree.

    I happened to think Goff was a better bet than Wentz two years ago. That looked very stupid last year, both in a knee-jerk, unfair way, and by how Goff put up literally the worst advanced stats in history for a rookie QB. You had people saying that Goff was not only too small, but he had a bad attitude and was an asshole. Now it’s not looking so dumb. Maybe in 3-4 years, we will have a better basis for comparison. Even if the results are different from what how I would have laid down my money, doesn’t mean I had a stupid opinion. It’s a preference whether you choose physical upside or demonstrated competence.

    Not having read Kacsmar and Fahey much, I find the hate directed toward them rather silly. For whatever reason, they don’t think Wentz is that good. They back it up with the reasons and the numbers they find compelling. They will be proven wrong, in a few years, or they will be proven right. According to both traditional stats and the advanced stats I value (ironically, the Football Outsiders stats), he is playing at a high level this year. Maybe not the _highest_, but certainly high enough.

    Keep in mind, the guy put up average stats last year and average wins. He’s played great for half a year. The people who imagine their eyes are more skilled than NFL GMs, analysts, and other fans say he’s a lock for the HOF. Okay… myself, I’ll let him perform at a high level for more than half a season, maybe see how he does in playoff games against other top teams, before I crown his ass.

    As it is now, I am just enjoying the magical season he’s having, his physical charisma on the field, the way this team seems to come up with a solution to every problem that pops up (there have been many), and Wentz’s demeanor as a nice guy. I know that guys who flash sometimes fulfill their potential, and sometimes that it was just a flash in the pan, so I’ll hold off making predictions or saying he’s definitely the best QB in the league and all that.

    I’m just going to enjoy the ride, and hating on the doubters isn’t part of my enjoyment.

  152. 152 Bert's Bells said at 1:58 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I don’t think anyone outside the Boston area would take Brady over Rodgers or P. Manning if you’re picking a team one by one. Brady’s still great by any measure.

  153. 153 Tom33 said at 2:50 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    for the record – my all-time QB’s are:

    1. Montana
    2. Brady

    Other guys were certainly more talented, but these 2 guys just won.

  154. 154 Dave said at 3:49 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Only one person on your list was caught cheating, twice.

  155. 155 Insomniac said at 3:58 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Does throwing to the GOAT WR who was also cheating count?

  156. 156 Dave said at 4:03 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Nope.

  157. 157 RC5000 said at 2:52 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Speak for yourself.

  158. 158 Bert's Bells said at 3:04 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Woah!

  159. 159 RC5000 said at 8:19 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Good answer!

  160. 160 BobSmith77 said at 6:55 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Brady over Manning hands down. He’ll have the longer career and his postseason numbers are just simply superior.

    I’d take Rodgers over Brady is we are going with raw ability and skill set at their respective peaks. Rodgers had mobility and arm strength Brady didn’t have.

  161. 161 P_P_K said at 4:34 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Haters gonna’ hate.

  162. 162 laeagle said at 11:26 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Brady: grace under pressure. Also a perfectionist.
    Manning: not as graceful under pressure, but probably the best student of the game.
    Rogers: most athletically gifted, plus traits of the other two.

    Wentz has a bit of all three. I’m not going to put him at their level without more consistency and a larger sample size, but the early returns are very promising.

  163. 163 ChoTime said at 11:40 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I wish we could re-run Brady and Manning’s careers by switching their coaches. I don’t know how it would play out, but I sure wish I could see it.

  164. 164 laeagle said at 2:49 AM on November 8th, 2017:

    That would be fun. It’s that kind of variable that makes comparing QBs such a crapshoot.

  165. 165 RC5000 said at 2:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    OT – I wonder how this affects Luck moving forward? Brees had a torn labrum too in his throwing shoulder caused by a hit. Chad Pennington ‘s career ended bevcause of it but he reinjured his and didn’t have a big arm to start with…

    Hall of Fame coach Tony Dungy said Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay told him that quarterback Andrew Luck’s injury is “inside his head.”

    Dungy made the comment Monday during a live look-in at Dan Patrick’s radio show during its television simulcast on the Audience Network.

    “I don’t know what’s going on there, I really don’t,” Dungy said during the look-in. “Is he going to play? Jim Irsay made a comment about six weeks ago, ‘You know, it’s inside his head now.'”

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21328927/tony-dungy-jim-irsay-thinks-injury-andrew-luck-head

  166. 166 Sean E said at 2:49 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Jim Irsay is a drunk, pill-popping, DUI-committing asshole. Hate that guy.

  167. 167 Masked Man said at 3:37 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Andrew Luck has taken a beating in a few short years. He could be gun shy now. Happens to some QBs. Remember Donovan McNabb?

  168. 168 Sean E said at 3:41 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    The poor guy hasn’t had a real O-line since he was at Stanford. Their roster has exactly one blue chip player, and it’s Andrew Luck. That they could blame Luck for anything is absolutely insane.

  169. 169 Dave said at 3:47 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    If there is anyone on your team that you don’t goad into playing hurt when the injury is career-threatening, it’s your franchise QB. This whole story is confusing.

  170. 170 Dave said at 3:45 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Roy Halladay? Say it ain’t so!

  171. 171 Nailed It! said at 3:47 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Hope it wasn’t him.

  172. 172 RC5000 said at 4:06 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’s kind of weird for us to be hoping someone else died.

  173. 173 Bert's Bells said at 4:42 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Not if you’re hoping for Curt Schilling.

  174. 174 RC5000 said at 4:49 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Come on dude.

  175. 175 sonofdman said at 4:55 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I should not have laughed at that..but I did.

  176. 176 Benny6968 said at 3:52 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Will somebody tell me what a “Cian” is?
    And beyond that “Kacsmar” sounds more like a test they give to pregnant women.
    Neither so called expert analyst is worth anything if they are not man enough to admit when they are wrong.
    If these fools continue to proclaim that Wentz is average, they are only hurting their own “brand”, as nobody would want to take advice from anyone who can’t see that Wentz is not only very very good, but a special player as well.

  177. 177 Bert's Bells said at 3:57 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’s a pretty common name in Ireland.

  178. 178 Dave said at 4:07 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Cian is the same type of person as Skip Bayless. They believe any exposure is better than no exposure.

  179. 179 Ark87 said at 5:10 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    That’s the name of the blue toner in my printer maybe?

  180. 180 Nailed It! said at 4:18 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Man, Doc put this city on his arm those special years. RIP.

  181. 181 GermanEagle said at 4:27 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    RIP.

  182. 182 RC5000 said at 4:30 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    It’s devastating news. RIP Doc.

  183. 183 P_P_K said at 4:34 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Crap. One of my all-time favorite athletes and, from all I heard, a good man.

  184. 184 RC5000 said at 4:35 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    The Pasco County sheriff knows him pretty well and is delivering a great eulogy.

  185. 185 sonofdman said at 4:54 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    On my god. That is terrible. RIP Doc.

  186. 186 Guy Media said at 5:21 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Yeah, I especially feel bad for the kids he’s been coaching.

  187. 187 RC5000 said at 6:26 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Tre Sullivan is back…on practice squad. Don Cherry is gone again.

  188. 188 Dragon_Eagle said at 6:46 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    So, here’s a bye week topic for ya.

    Who tries to hire away Frank Reich to be their HC?

    Everyone is, understandably caught up, with worrying about Schwartz. However, if I’m replacing my HC and I’m a team likely drafting in the top 5 trying to grab a future franchise QB, I want the kind of HC that has the experience and acumen to develop that future QB the way Philly has developed Wentz.

    Follow-up question: Should we be worried?

  189. 189 iceberg584 said at 6:55 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Nope, because that opens the door to promoting DeFilippo to OC.

  190. 190 unhinged said at 7:15 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I think De Filippo would go first. Didn’t the Eagles quash a proposed interview for him last year?

  191. 191 Fufina said at 7:23 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I think both Reich and DeFilippo will be Head coaches… but Schwartz will remain.

    Problem is nearly a dozen franchises need to develop a QB either right away or soon, and no organization has better developed a QB from year 1 to year 2 than the Eagles with Wentz. Add in the record and on field performance, and the fact that they both have good coaching backgrounds – i think they both get picked up.

    Is it a problem? I don’t think so honestly. I imagine a lot of talented QB coaches or fired OC’s will want to come in and coach Wentz and be part of a good team, so we should be able to find west coast coaches who will be able to help Wentz continue to improve.

  192. 192 Ark87 said at 7:26 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Not worried about the offensive staff that much. I really think the design of the offense and upbringing of the QB’s is Doug’s baby. That being said, the guys that turn ideas into reality can be incredibly important. For all I know, everything Doug wants may be impossible without a great staff to implement it.

    My bigger concern lies with Schwartz. Guy has a huge ego and swagger (in a great way that is essential to his success), it’s just hard to see him wanting to be subordinate for much longer. Don’t see anyone else that can take these line concepts and make the best run defense in the league out of them. The last jackass that tried was a complete friggin disaster.

  193. 193 RobNE said at 7:41 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Maybe win a playoff game first before worrying?

  194. 194 kajomo said at 8:02 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I’m not worried about losing Reich. We would just promote DeFillipo. That may be best case scenario actually. I think DeFillipo leaves for and OC job and Reich stays.

  195. 195 RC5000 said at 8:17 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Nah. We have Duce or DeFilippo to supplement Pederson.

  196. 196 ColorSgt said at 9:16 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Hopefully this isn’t an issue until February. I’ve thought about it and started to worry, but you know what? Screw it. These guys are here this season and its awesome. I’m not gonna ruin this by worrying about a future where lots of things can happen. Its like how my wife would ruin a perfect fall day by thinking about winter coming.

  197. 197 D3FB said at 1:23 PM on November 8th, 2017:

    I’m not sure Reich get’s hired away. He’s kinda old for a first time HC.

    DeFilippo is gonna be a head coach next year.

  198. 198 BobSmith77 said at 7:23 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Wentz has come along much faster than I thought he would but a lot of credit goes to Roseman who really upgraded the skill personnel and the coaching staff which after the Week 2 loss put him in a much better position to succeed with more balanced play calling.

  199. 199 Fufina said at 7:26 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I really don’t think that was the cause. The OL struggled with any chemistry first 2 weeks, all the pulls and motions that make our run game hum just were funky the first 2 weeks. If you cannot run the ball you should pass it. Passing to open up the run works just as well as the other way around if that is what a defense is trying to take away.

  200. 200 Someguy77 said at 9:48 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Don’t know if the OL struggled with chemistry since 4 of the 5 same starters were back from last year.

    More that Seumalo was so bad, especially vs Chiefs, and not using Blount/getting away from the run game too quickly in the Chiefs’ game.

  201. 201 Ark87 said at 8:30 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Was listening to a podcast (think it was Ringer NFL show), and they were having fun with the Dolphins and the Ajayi trade. Yeah, that message was sent loud and clear, act up and you will be shipped off to a super contender immediately. I hope Ajayi learned his lesson. Way to make a stand Dolphins.

  202. 202 DustyRyder71 said at 9:09 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    He’s not, he’s a television personality. The networks have figured out that the Eagles’ fan base is the most committed and engaged fan base in the league, so every show has to have a Philly antagonist so their rants will go viral. Cowherd, Bayliss, Wright, these analytics schmoes… the pattern is becoming obvious.

  203. 203 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:14 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    This article by Kempski: http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-are-dominating-trenches/

    Our run game is dominant on both sides of the ball. This fact plus we just added a stud RB gives me more confidence than anything else that we’re built for January.

  204. 204 Ryan Rambo said at 9:50 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    https://youtu.be/f4w7xM3hDio

  205. 205 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:51 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Was just watching that. F’n awesome.

  206. 206 Ark87 said at 9:58 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Knew the MMA training would eventually come in handy. Kinda looked like it hurt, I know this wasn’t a penalty, but I wonder where the line is where a ref says, woah buddy you can’t be doing that, that man is a father (actually I don’t think he is, but research attempt reveals a dope middle name, B’Vsean), 15 yards.

  207. 207 Ryan Rambo said at 10:13 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Lol that middle name sux. How do u even pronounce that?

  208. 208 Ark87 said at 10:21 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    hmmm BuvJean (claude van damme)???? Parents definitely picked the right first name. I feel like all middle names are a result of a shit-head mother in law. Middle names are like an appeasement name. Or maybe it was his dad’s name and mom said hell no my son is not going to be B’Vsean Miller III

  209. 209 Ryan Rambo said at 10:25 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    LMAO

  210. 210 daveH said at 10:14 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Well it is a progressive move but i don’t think it’s violent ..i think Vonn tried a spin and Lane accelerated the spin by pushing him the Direction he was going …

  211. 211 DJH said at 10:16 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    I just keep watching it over and over. Would love to see it in slomo

  212. 212 Ryan Rambo said at 10:24 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Here you go sir….

    https://youtu.be/ydZcHLJry-o

  213. 213 anon said at 11:41 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    Wentz looks great but theres’ a high variance in QB play year to year – see 2016 vs 2017 matt ryan. 2015 vs 2016 cam newton. 2013 vs 2014 foles, etc. Really need to capitalize when things are going your way.

  214. 214 RC5000 said at 11:43 PM on November 7th, 2017:

    He’s better than those guys but you always want to capitalize if you’re an 8-1 team for sure.

  215. 215 Renan said at 12:07 AM on November 10th, 2017:

    If someone thinks C. Wentz is not the MVP, then he’s a hater with an agenda. Even if he thinks, Wentz is a top 5, top 3 QB this season.
    If someone thinks he did not have a dominate game against Denver as the score suggests, then he’s also a hater with an agenda.
    If someone thinks Brady is not the GOAT, then he’s a hater with an agenda. Even if he thinks he’s a top 5, top 10 QB of all time.

    Thats what I read on the replies. And it makes no sense.

    Some Eagles fan were angry because Aaron Schatz voted Brady for the midseason MVP.

    If people don’t know about DVOA, they should take a look how is calculated before they judge. It has done a pretty job to evaluate teams, offense, defenses and QBs on the last 30 years. And right now Brady is the #1 and Wentz is only #8.