Heaven and Hell

Posted: December 10th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 275 Comments »

The Eagles beat the Rams 43-35. Yay.

The Eagles clinched the NFC East title. Yay.

The Eagles are the #1 seed in the NFC, with a game lead. Yay.

But…Carson Wentz got hurt.

There are no amount of accomplishments that will offset that.


We won’t find anything out for sure until Monday. You can pray for a hyperextension or something like that, but it seems like this is probably going to be a ligament injury from the all the stuff we’re hearing. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, as  the saying goes.

Nick Foles came in and played well enough for the Eagles to win. He led a FG drive. He hit Nelson Agholor for a huge completion on 3rd down that basically sealed the game. This team can win games with Foles.

Can they win in the postseason?

That’s a hard question. We need to see how Foles plays as the starter. He’s smart. He’s experienced. Has a solid arm. But Foles isn’t a guy who can put the offense on his back the way Wentz did. Foles will need good OL play. He will need a running game. He will need receivers to make plays.

Foles is the last QB to start a playoff game for the Eagles. He started against the Saints in January of 2014 and threw a TD pass late in the game to give the Eagles a 24-23 lead. Some jerk named Darren Sproles had a big KO return and the Saints then moved down to kick a FG as time expired. Foles wasn’t great, but did leave the field with the lead.

The point of that isn’t to tell you “Don’t worry, Foles will be great!”. Clearly he’s not Wentz. At the same time, this isn’t Koy Detmer. This isn’t Chase Daniel. Foles has started and had success in this league. He has played in some big games. He’s won some big games. He’s got playoff experience.

Doug Pederson would not say anything about the injury after the game. He did say that Wentz celebrated in the locker room with his teammates. Everyone was happy about clinching the division.

Will the Eagles add a veteran to be Foles backup? Pederson said Nate Sudfeld would have that role, but you have to think the team would consider adding someone with experience.

If this is an ACL, what does that mean for next year? Let’s worry about that when we know for sure what’s going on. For now, let’s focus on 2017.

There is plenty more to talk about with this game. This was a huge win for the Eagles. It was going to be tough even with Wentz the whole game, but losing him and still finding a way to win says a lot about this team.

The Eagles are a good football team.

The Wentz news is depressing and there is no escaping that. Pray for good news on the injury front. But be ready to pull those Foles jerseys out of the closet and let’s see if he has any of that 2013 magic left in his right arm.


275 Comments on “Heaven and Hell”

  1. 1 Wrongthink said at 8:59 PM on December 10th, 2017:


  2. 2 Guy Media said at 9:01 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Gutty win pulled out in a strong manner at the end of the game. I just didn’t care for the soft BS that led to that point. Way too many self inflicted injuries (pun fully intended) that led that game to be far too close. D lacked discipline for most of the game, bad tackling especially, and the offense left too many points on the field.

    But I’l take the win. Foles going 3-0 vs. trash down the stretch isn’t out of the question. Beating 4 seed Seattle here with Foles isn’t going to be a tall order, but beating Keenum here the next week wouldn’t be per se.

  3. 3 ChoTime said at 9:38 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    If we get the first seed, getting to the SB doesn’t seem impossible. I guess we’ll see how much of this team’s success was Wentz and how much was due to roster+coaching.

  4. 4 Guy Media said at 9:39 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah, I agree completely.

  5. 5 Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran said at 10:14 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I totally agree because the NFC seems wide open.
    However, actually winning the SB seems like a pipe dream given who will likely be there.

  6. 6 ChoTime said at 12:05 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Yeah, I didn’t really want to project that far. But given just what happened to the most important person on our team, it’s not possible (not hoping for it) that it could happen to the most important person on their team… or they could just lose. they do that sometimes!

  7. 7 Tumtum said at 11:17 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I dunno if it is that cut and dry. Lost one of the best LB in the league (Were there 5 MLB playing better than Hicks?), the best LT in the league and perhaps the best QB in the league (hope to god not..but..). At some point something has to give. I wouldn’t put on my flame pants should the worst happen. Oh yeah and some guy named Darren Sproles.

  8. 8 soundbonz said at 3:17 PM on December 11th, 2017:

    Uhh…the Rams are pretty good. Better overall team than Seattle. Make no mistake – this was a playoff game with playoff game atmosphere and opponent. We won. This team can do this. Next man up – for real.

  9. 9 sflomenb said at 9:01 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Just feel terrible. Dream season despite all the injuries. This was the one we couldn’t afford.

  10. 10 SteveH said at 9:26 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Same. I feel like a pet died or something.

  11. 11 SteveH said at 9:02 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    So what’s the absolute best case scenario injury wise here? Assuming it’s not a torn ACL, and it’s not something as minor as a hyperextension.

  12. 12 xeynon said at 9:04 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I’d guess something on the order of 4-6 weeks. So, very survivable. If they can secure the bye they’d have him back in the playoffs.

    I wouldn’t bank on it though. We need to plan on the assumption he’s gone for the year.

  13. 13 SteveH said at 9:05 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I’m thinking more of type of injury. I don’t know the technical terms for all the different kinds and grades of knee injuries.

  14. 14 xeynon said at 9:08 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Nor do I. We’ll have to leave that to the doctors.

  15. 15 Ark87 said at 9:13 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    no need for anyone to plan for anything, MRI will be done before anyone needs to do anything, then plan based on accurate information

  16. 16 xeynon said at 9:15 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    For the team yeah.

    I’m speaking more from a fan’s perspective – we need to plan emotionally by deciding what we will consider a successful season and what we won’t. 🙂

    Before I would’ve been pretty disappointed if they, say, lost the NFC Championship game at home. I won’t be now.

  17. 17 Tumtum said at 11:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Or deep bruise maybe. So glad out guy likes to go diving around.

  18. 18 ACViking said at 9:03 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Eagles’ record with Foles in non-garbage time in 2013-14, 2017:



  19. 19 Guy Media said at 9:06 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    He’s a functional NFL QB. You can’t do certain throws with him, but the weapons AND CALLED RUNS should all be in place to get this team into home field advantage.

  20. 20 xeynon said at 9:07 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Foles isn’t bad. You could do much worse for a backup QB.

    The problem is, going from Carson to him means we’re going from probably the best QB in the NFC playoff field to unquestionably the worst.

    It’s a huge downgrade and I don’t think we can realistically expect anything more than maybe one playoff win at this point. Anything beyond that is absolute gravy.

  21. 21 SteveH said at 9:09 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    IDK, I’m not a Case Keenum believer. I think Foles is on par with him.

  22. 22 Guy Media said at 9:13 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Did Keenum ever go 27-2???????????? DON’T THINK SO!

  23. 23 xeynon said at 9:13 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Assuming what we’re seeing this season is the Keenum equivalent of Foles’ magical 2013 season, you may be right.

    Not sure I think that though. And I’m pretty sure Keenum is what will prevent the Vikings from winning the SB if anything does, so even if Foles maybe is almost as good as him it doesn’t change my assessment of the Eagles’ chances very much.

  24. 24 Mr. Magee said at 9:47 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Pure delusion

  25. 25 ChoTime said at 9:48 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    We’ll see what Dug can come up with. He’s shown himself to be a pretty creative playcaller. Foles has proved he has something, but obviously he’s not going to carry the team on his back.

  26. 26 meteorologist said at 9:03 PM on December 10th, 2017:


  27. 27 Guy Media said at 9:05 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    That’s manly.

  28. 28 xeynon said at 9:05 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah that’s not good. I’m not that Twitter NFL doc (David Chao or whatever his name is) but I don’t think a knee buckles like that unless there’s a torn ligament involved.

  29. 29 Guy Media said at 9:06 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Chao is crazy accurate on diagnosing injury from tape and doubly so when estimating recovery time.

  30. 30 Jernst said at 9:05 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Knees don’t do that when all the ligaments are intact. Best case is LCL, most likely is ACL

  31. 31 Duracell said at 9:07 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I’m not even remotely optimistic, but I play soccer and my knee has done that multiple times. I’ve never needed knee ligament surgery.

  32. 32 GENETiC-FREAK said at 9:13 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Your knee does that buckling laterally? Thats no good man. Your knee is a hinge. Its not suppose to go that way lol

  33. 33 Jernst said at 9:54 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    You’re knee may buckle. Mine does it all the time. But, I assure you that the structural integrity of your knee does not fail causing the left side of your knee to open up like it does in that video.

  34. 34 SteveH said at 9:04 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Tip of the hat to Foles for pulling out the win btw. I don’t know why but I have confidence Foles will be competent for us.

    I did get a glimmer of enjoyment after we stuck the win after the Rams were celebrating like they were the hottest shit in the world there in the 4th quarter when they took the lead.

    It’s kind of glorious really, because you could see they thought they were asserting their dominance over the conference, and then we slammed the door on their faces.

  35. 35 Mr. Magee said at 9:49 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yes, not unreasonable to expect ‘competence’ from Foles. As long as you don’t expect anything more, you won’t be disappointed.

  36. 36 Guy Media said at 9:04 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The Eagles have endured countless QB injuries since 2005. Eli’s undeserved avoidance of injuries needs to end this Sunday.

  37. 37 SteveH said at 9:06 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Side note: We’re now 4-2 against teams with winning records. Fuck off everyone calling us frauds because of our schedule.

  38. 38 Someguy77 said at 9:07 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I feel like I did after watching Paup crumple Cunningham in the pocket in the ‘91 opener.

    Never the same QB in Philly after that even if it took the crushing defeat in Dallas in the ‘92 playoffs to officially close the door on the Cunningham/Gang Green era.

  39. 39 Guy Media said at 9:08 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Especially due to cheap ass Braman running all of the talent out of town.

    But I’d counter that Cunningham’s best season was with the Vikings in 98.

  40. 40 SteveH said at 9:08 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Well at least Wentz will recover from this. Thank god for modern medicine.

    You know it really is remarkable that with all the things we’re capable of with technology, we’re still unable to do jack shit if we tear a ligament.

  41. 41 Someguy77 said at 9:11 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Recover yeah but he’ll likely lose some of that espaceability in the pocket.

    Jaworski has been mentioning all season long how many hits Wentz has been taking and that he needed to reduce them. It finally caught up to him today.

  42. 42 Guy Media said at 9:12 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    play calling
    play calling
    play calling

  43. 43 SteveH said at 9:12 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I doubt that, people come all the way back from ACL tears all the time these days.

  44. 44 Someguy77 said at 9:15 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    You never return at 100%. Not how it works although you can get very close.

    The bigger issue is that if it is an ACL Wentz likely misses a portion of next year and isn’t full strength to 2019. This team has been built with an eye to try to win a Super Bowl under his rookie deal through 2019.

  45. 45 xeynon said at 9:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Meh, the “you have to win under a guy’s rookie deal” stuff is overrated.. the Seahawks with Wilson and maybe the Ravens with Flacco are the only teams that really did it that way over the past decade. The Packers, Patriots, Broncos, Saints, Colts, and Steelers all won with veteran QBs on mega deals.

  46. 46 Someguy77 said at 9:21 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah but they gave up higher picks to get Darby/Ajayi and constructed a few contracts with that time frame in mind including Jernigan and Jeffrey

  47. 47 xeynon said at 9:22 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    They can adjust to that stuff.

    Having a franchise QB solves a lot of problems and by the time Wentz’s deal is up they will have had a chance to restock the roster with some cheaper talent.

  48. 48 SteveH said at 9:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Wait what? In 9 months Wentz should be pretty much back to full strength.

  49. 49 Someguy77 said at 9:20 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    It takes longer than that. Hopefully if he has surgery he is ready for the first preseason game.

  50. 50 SteveH said at 9:21 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Am I living in an alternate universe or something? 9 months should be just about right for recovery from an ACL.

  51. 51 ChoTime said at 9:41 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    They’re probably talking about how some people say it takes much longer to “really” feel comfortable with the knee.

  52. 52 Dan in Philly said at 9:13 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Carson Wentz possibly tore his ACL and stayed in the game to throw his 4th TD of the game and franchise setting 34th of the season on it last, which proved decisive. Dude is tough as nails.

  53. 53 xeynon said at 9:21 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    He did.. I just hope this doesn’t become his version of the Donovan-four-TDs-on-a-broken-leg game (ie an incredible, gutsy performance that presages an injury plagued career).

  54. 54 ChoTime said at 9:42 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    so on that one play, he probably stayed in the pocket because his knee was hurting, not because of new-found maturity, amirite?

  55. 55 xeynon said at 10:20 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Could well be both, but yeah, not having the scramble in his arsenal made the decision for him.

  56. 56 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:33 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    It explains why he didn’t run for the TD there, too. A number of people commented on that on that series.

  57. 57 Fufina said at 9:13 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Wiz needs to be healthy for Foles to succeed. Nick can deal with pressure on the outside, in fact he has a pretty good feel for pressure and does that Brady step up in the pocket to get time really well.

    What he cannot deal with is pressure up the middle as he needs to be able to step into throws for his arm/mechanics to work – as soon as he is throwing off his back foot you are looking at ints and missed throws.

    His 27-2 season he had the best OL in football and balled with it, but as soon as interior OL play broke down and DC’s started running things like Double A gap blitzes Foles really breaks down. Hopefully with Kelce back at all pro health and level, and Wiz/Brooks playing great, and the best coaching staff and game callers he has had in his career, we can get a little bit of 27-2 Foles not 2014 and 2015 Foles.

  58. 58 SteveH said at 9:14 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I want us to pound it with Ajayi. Ajayi looked awesome today for the life of me I can’t understand why we keep giving Blount so many early game touches.

  59. 59 Guy Media said at 9:14 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Might have prevented something else today.

  60. 60 SteveH said at 9:15 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I don’t blame Doug for throwing it from the 5. That’s a reasonable passing down.

  61. 61 Guy Media said at 9:16 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Not that play in and of itself, but I’d imagine the pass rush would have been more subdued if more running had taken place prior to that point.

  62. 62 SteveH said at 9:16 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    It wasn’t the cumulative hits that mattered (though those sucked), it was just the very specific way that Wentz’s legs got sandwiched on that scramble.

  63. 63 Guy Media said at 9:17 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Also true, but if the Rams are scared of us running…….they might not have gotten the same pass rush that flushed him into running it himself.

  64. 64 Fufina said at 9:17 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Ajayi hasn’t played in a west coast system before as far as i know. He has a limited set of plays the coaching staff seems comfortable running with him at this stage in the season.

    Also Blount is averaging 4.7 yards per carry this year so he is hardly a bad option, and Clement keeps making plays as well.

    Obviously Ajayi is the most talented back but i seriously doubt they are not using him because they are idiots.

  65. 65 Guy Media said at 9:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    How about they just keep the same dude in for several consecutive run calls if that dude just got a good run?

  66. 66 fran35 said at 9:34 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I think they are scared to use Ajayi because he is a major liability as a blocker in blitzes. That is kind of limiting in a West coast offense

  67. 67 Guy Media said at 9:14 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    back pedal
    back pedal
    back pedal

  68. 68 GENETiC-FREAK said at 9:15 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Exactly! Wasnt fooled by Foles the first time he was here just because he starter again im not gonna be fooled by wanting him to be good now either.

  69. 69 Guy Media said at 9:17 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    That wasn’t my point necessarily, I was saying what happens if you call too many passes with him in there and the interior O line is soft.

  70. 70 GENETiC-FREAK said at 9:19 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Oh yeah n that lol

  71. 71 Someguy77 said at 9:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Amazing how bad Seumalo was today.

    His game against the Chiefs’ was one of the worst ones by an Eagles’guards and he looked like he was getting beat today nearly every other play.

    Injury dam finally broke today and destroued the Eagles’ 2017 hopes of doing anything meaningful in the postseason.

  72. 72 Fufina said at 9:21 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Dunno, there is a non zero chance Wentz has a partial tear or hyper-extension and can be back in 5 weeks to play in the playoffs.

    Amazing thing is we need to go 2-1 against a cupcake schedule to guarantee No.1 seed. Not saying its likely, but you do see guys who everyone at the time is sure has an ACL and then they get good news… there is a reason why they don’t diagnose until they have run scans.

  73. 73 Someguy77 said at 9:23 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I like Foles’ chances a lot actually of helping them secure a first round bye. This team is built too to not lean on him too heavily.

  74. 74 ChoTime said at 9:43 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Really? It’s been my impression like 90% of this team’s improvement has been on Wentz. Hope I’m wrong.

  75. 75 Fufina said at 10:27 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Well i think the Eagles with Foles can go 2-1 against Giants/Raiders/Cowboys with their seasons already over.

    And if you have the no.1 seed you get the 4th best team at home with an extra weeks rest. Think Foles can get to the conference game… doubt he can win it honestly but stranger things have happened. Foles can get hot.

  76. 76 Guy Media said at 9:22 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Unless Seattle goes on a run over the next few weeks and gets all the way to the Super Bowl, I’m not terribly impressed with who could be coming to play us here IF (BIG IF) our D plays like it should and they run the ball as much as they need to.

    I think we’re only officially eliminated from any chance of winning the Super Bowl

  77. 77 xeynon said at 9:49 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    If they manage to get to the Super Bowl, anything can happen.

  78. 78 Mr. Magee said at 9:50 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    OL has not played well the last 2 weeks… Would have been a concern even with Wentz in there

  79. 79 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 9:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Season = hobbled.

  80. 80 SteveH said at 9:20 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I’m surprised how upbeat the Eagles players are considering the circumstances.

  81. 81 Guy Media said at 9:20 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah, seems like a good group that way.

  82. 82 xeynon said at 9:23 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    What are they supposed to do, wallow in despair?

    You’ve got to keep fighting.

  83. 83 Guy Media said at 9:24 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    You’d hope, but some teams bag it.

  84. 84 SteveH said at 9:24 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Well you expect them to present as upbeat and say the right things, but I figured it might be a little more subdued.

  85. 85 Mr. Magee said at 9:53 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Were the defensive players upbeat as well? They should be hanging their heads in shame

  86. 86 Guy Media said at 9:26 PM on December 10th, 2017:


    This had better be the last time Seth has to ask this until fall of 2018. Curry, in particular, was running himself all kinds of stupid spots today.

  87. 87 SteveH said at 9:27 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I thought the secondary took some shitty angles too, Gurley was getting outside of them all game long.

  88. 88 Guy Media said at 9:28 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Edges weren’t set properly.

  89. 89 Someguy77 said at 9:27 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    First time all year where the Eagles DL got beat up vs run. Lousy secondary tackling and not being able to play a base 4-3 with a solid MLB hurt too

  90. 90 Guy Media said at 9:27 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah, the D played really soft and stupid football today until that forced fumble drive.

  91. 91 SteveH said at 9:28 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah big ups to Chris Long. Clutch play at a clutch moment.

  92. 92 Someguy77 said at 9:29 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Highlights of the Buffalo game were fun to watch today.

  93. 93 xeynon said at 9:29 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I’m interested to see what Doug does to adjust to the fact that we have a backup QB in there from now on.

    I’m thinking we’re going to see a shift to a more conservative offense, more three-headed monster style run-heavy game plans, more use of play action to set up passes. Try to win games 20-17.

    This will be a good test of the coaches’ ability.

  94. 94 Guy Media said at 9:31 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The D / special teams needs to rise to the occasion as well.

  95. 95 Someguy77 said at 9:32 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Need Wiz and Ertz back. This team can win with them and Foles at QB.

    I miss having the edge on special teams every week though.

  96. 96 BlindChow said at 9:37 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I’m not as optimistic. Foles went in cold and was asked to throw three consecutive passes (a 3 & out, of course), one from an empty set. This, with a RB who was averaging almost 10 yards per carry!

    I mean, maybe they adjust the gameplan with a week of preparation, but the guy doesn’t want to run. Maybe if Nick has a bad week of practice or something…

  97. 97 xeynon said at 9:40 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    They were losing the game. They needed to throw the ball there.

    He made a couple of huge throws that helped them win that game. They quite likely lose that game if not that 3rd down throw to Agholor.

    The idea that Pederson doesn’t want to run the ball is ridiculous. The team runs the ball the 7th most in the NFL with a top 5 QB. His offenses in KC ran the ball a lot. He’s perfectly willing to run the ball when that’s the best option.

  98. 98 Fufina said at 9:45 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I love the calls to run when Vaitai is not a good run blocker, you had Seumalo in at LG, who is an even worse run blocker than pass blocker, so you can only run to the right side of the line… making your run game very predictable. In that scenario, you pass to set up the run, and the Eagles won the god damn game doing it with their back up QB leading them from behind to do it.

  99. 99 BlindChow said at 10:05 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yet when they ran, they kept running left!

    But no, you’re right, definitely no reason to question the playcalling…

  100. 100 xeynon said at 10:10 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    No, they didn’t. They ran far more to the right than to the left after Wisniewski went out.

  101. 101 Fufina said at 10:14 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I remember 2 runs – i mean you got to at least keep teams honest and hope you surprise them… but they seemed to be running outside of Lane the bulk of the 2nd half… almost as if trying to get away from something…

  102. 102 BlindChow said at 10:03 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    They run the ball a lot in blowouts, yes. (You may have forgotten how many blowouts we’ve had this year…) That skews the run/pass numbers considerably.

    They were down by two points with plenty of clock left. Running against one of the worst run defenses in the league was still a perfectly cromulent option.

  103. 103 xeynon said at 10:10 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    They did run it. They mixed runs and passes on those last drives. The one you cite, well, if it’s incomplete on first down, it becomes tough to run after that and a three-and-out becomes more likely, but you can’t call a running play on first down every time. Those things are going to happen.

    As for the skewing the run/pass numbers – every team in the league runs more when they’re winning than when they’re losing so that is a trivial observation. Other than the KC game Doug has not had particularly pass happy game plans this year. They’re pretty in line with NFL norms, and in some cases HEAVIER on running the ball (e.g. the Chargers game).

  104. 104 Fufina said at 10:16 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Also coming out conservative cost them last week. They ran and ran the ball against Seattle the 1st half, were stuck on 3rd and long and couldn’t sustain drives, causing the worst offensive performance of the year in the 1st half offensively.

  105. 105 xeynon said at 10:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yup, but these fans are all about results rather than process and 20-20 hindsight.

  106. 106 Someguy77 said at 9:31 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Agholor had a brutal case of butter fingers on that first INT but bounced back really strong.

    Just really impressed by the type of mental fortitude and growth he has shown this year. Most dynamic playmaker since DJax in open space.

  107. 107 Eagles4life said at 9:32 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Few observations:
    1. We should have been running the ball more with Ajayi from the beginning
    2. Not sure why but our CBs need to press more
    3. Our OL is getting more and more vulnerable to pass rush as season goes on
    4. Getting HFA is absolutely critical now as we will have one less game to play without our starting QB
    5. It’s a little too early to say but a starting caliber G and a T should be the priority in the offseason
    6. This 3 RB by committee isn’t working good as we have neither of the back going in any game for the most part so far
    7. Agholor is the most improved player on the squad by a mile
    8. We need better blocking by RB and TE

  108. 108 Fufina said at 9:39 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Number 2nd rushing team in the NFL, with the highest yards per attempt and the “3 RB by committee isn’t working good” is your take…

    Our 3rd string OG got abused by the best pass rushing DT in football. Wow what a shock, our OL is not still great when we we don’t have a HoF LT, and backups at OG. Wow shocking – same as any other NFL team ever. We still managed to put up 450 yards, and 37 points (none with a short field – all needed long drives since their punter is some kind of monster)

  109. 109 Anders said at 4:56 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    We lost Wiz early. We are still far above league average in OL play. Of course if the right play is there in the draft you take him, but you do not use more money in FA

  110. 110 Someguy77 said at 9:33 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Johnson had his worst game of the year too.

  111. 111 Fufina said at 9:33 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Can we hold off the #HotTakes regarding play calling for the rest of the season? Before today Eagles had the #1 point scoring offence, 3rd in yards/game, 2nd! in runyards/game, an 10-2 record. They were not calling designated QB runs outside of sneaks in any kind of regular basis – and Doug talks all the time about how he wants Wentz to protect his body more.

    Then in the biggest game of the season so far – to effectively lock in a #1 seed – where we put up 37 offensive points (139 rushing and 316 passing) and need to do it to win, we are going to 2nd guess the play calling and game plan? It is utterly ridiculous to me. This is not a juggernaut offense – it has no truly elite play makers, and without Peters the OL is merely good not great, and to be producing like it is almost every week against good defenses means the gameplaning and calling is nothing short of exceptional.

  112. 112 Someguy77 said at 9:36 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Ertz has been close this year and Agholor is dynamic in space. Ajayi gives them a home run hitter even if he struggles at times to find the correct lane.

    Blount has gradually gotten worse as the season had worn on and his lack of speed/agility was glaring today.

  113. 113 Guy Media said at 9:40 PM on December 10th, 2017:


  114. 114 BlindChow said at 9:54 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    “Hope Your QB Makes a Miraculous Play on 3rd and Long Several Times Per Drive” is Not. A. Good. Game. Plan. Their success point-wise today was based in a large part on Wentz’s crazy ability to escape pressure and make throws while getting hit. You may not have noticed, but he was getting hit constantly.

    So what do you do when your QB is repeatedly running for his life against one of the worst run defenses in the league? If you’re Doug Pederson, you CALL MORE PASSES!

    Wentz kept this game close DESPITE the play calling. The Rams were 27th in run defense, and Ajayi was getting 10 yards a pop consistently. Yet they only started leaning on him on the final drive of the game. (Yes, they called three passes in a row on Foles’ first series, coming in cold off the bench. Ughhh.)

    The play-calling is absolutely a legitimate topic of discussion.

  115. 115 Mr. Magee said at 9:58 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Well said. I would also add that the Eagles were bailed out a bunch of times by the officials (about time, but still). Without Wentz, the Eagles literally get BLOWN OUT in this game.

  116. 116 xeynon said at 10:03 PM on December 10th, 2017:


    Without any star skill players other than the QB, and missing their best offensive lineman.

    They are 11-2. They will break the team record for points scored. They were on pace to score 48 points in this game at halftime, against a really good defense.

    I’m sorry, but criticism of the playcalling/game plan in this case is moronic. Absolutely fucking moronic.

  117. 117 Fufina said at 10:12 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I haven’t even dared visit BGN as this is normally the bastion of sanity in the Eagles fandom, and this is pretty damned rough.

    I don’t know what people want – run 35 RB runs every game, and guarantee you will never win a SB since no team has won it that way for 10+ years. You know what does win you SB’s? Having a QB who is playing out of his mind in the playoffs. Wentz got hurt, its like a dagger to the heart for me and probably for our super bowl chances – but you win nothing in the NFL playing scared, and if you try to put training wheels on Wentz to protect him, you take away his ability to go from good to great.

  118. 118 xeynon said at 10:17 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Well said. Couldn’t put it better myself.

    When you have one of the best QBs in the game having him not throw the ball is stupid. It’s leaving your best weapon in the holster. It’s that simple.

  119. 119 ChoTime said at 12:04 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    You just have accept that people are going to passion-post. 🙂

  120. 120 Fufina said at 10:04 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    3rd LG, backup LT – both of which are worse run blockers than pass blockers, in a shootout against the 2nd best offense in football, and you want to go run heavy. Good luck with that, sounds like a way to lock in on that L. Ajayi ended up with 15 running attempts – double that of the other RB’s.

    Putting up 450 yards, and 37 points offensively, against a solid defense tells me you had a pretty god damn solid game plan. What the hell do you think the NFL is? You don’t just put up those kinds of points normally, especially without 1-2 freak huge plays – that the Eagles didn’t have. Did they need their MVP QB to make plays? Of course they did, you do on the road in a the biggest December game in a half decade against the NFL’s 2nd best offense.

  121. 121 Philadelphian said at 9:39 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Obviously, the loss of Wentz is a serious blow, but the fact is no matter who the QB, it has been obvious that the defense continues to struggle against good QBS. Last year, and again this year, a good coach and QB have shown that once they figure out the defense they can beat it. The only way this defense can win is to put pressure on the QB every down, which is something that’s not realistic. It was the pass rush that saved this game.

    Before labelling me as someone who doesn’t understand what happening, consider what happened with Alex Smith, Manning and Phillip Rivers. In Smith’s case the Chiefs took over the game and in the case of Manning and Rivers the QBS started making plays but ran out of time. With Manning, the Eagles won with the 61 yard FG, while with Rivers the Eagles ran out the clock with over 5 minutes to go. If Manning and Rivers got another chance, there was a good chance the Eagles could have lost.

  122. 122 ChoTime said at 9:46 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    It’s true, the D has not been able to stop good QBs.

  123. 123 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:50 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    There are very, very few defenses that can stop the top QBs regularly in the 2018 version of the NFL.

  124. 124 Fufina said at 9:49 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    This game was weird because they couldn’t ever stop the run seemingly, and the giants comeback was due to a fumble giving them a short field to score the 2nd time. Smith hardly lit them up either.

    This secondary is not an elite unit, and without Hicks, there are soft spots in coverage at LB. This is generally a good defensive unit – but they can give up yards if a QB starts dealing.

  125. 125 Philadelphian said at 12:43 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    It seems that as long as the front four applies pressure they are okay, but without the pressure their DBS tend to play too far from the receivers.

  126. 126 xeynon said at 9:50 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    You’re not wrong, but the observation that defenses have more trouble stopping good quarterbacks than bad quarterbacks is not exactly earth-shattering.

  127. 127 Philadelphian said at 12:41 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Yes, real good QBS tend to beat good defenses, but not as easily as what seems to happen to the Eagles. However, good defenses do have a degree of success against even the best QBS.

    Also, middle of the road QBS like Eli Manning and Alex Smith tend to struggle against good defenses.

  128. 128 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:43 PM on December 10th, 2017:


  129. 129 Mr. Magee said at 9:46 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Whether the Eagles can win in the post-season without Wentz is a hard question? Seriously? They might be able to win a game, maybe… But that’s about it. The hard truth is that they are a very average team without Wentz.

  130. 130 Guy Media said at 9:51 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Outside of Seattle every team in the NFC playoff picture is a bunch of douchers. so I still like our chances in the playoffs at home.

  131. 131 xeynon said at 9:51 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    They still have a very good defense and a good running game.

    I don’t think they’re anything other than an underdog without Wentz, but they’re better than an average team.

  132. 132 Mr. Magee said at 9:55 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I wish that were true. And not only was the D awful today, but at times they flat out quit. Did the same thing last year. Not sure what it is, but does not reflect well on Schwartz.

  133. 133 xeynon said at 9:58 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The Rams are one of the very best offenses in the league. They scored 35 points, but 7 of those were on special teams and 7 more were gifted to them with a turnover deep in Eagles territory.

    The D did not play its best game but you have to consider the quality of the opposition.

  134. 134 Mr. Magee said at 10:01 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah, Rams offense is good. My take is this D hangs on a precarious cliff most of the time – against better offenses, they are very, very average. And did you read the part about quitting? Fine if you don’t agree with that assessment (I’m sure you don’t), but I don’t think it’s a good look.

  135. 135 xeynon said at 10:06 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    McLeod gave up on that long Kupp reception which was unacceptable.

    Other than that I don’t think lack of effort was an issue.

    The D on the whole is not the 85 Bears or the 00 Ravens, but few defenses are. Doesn’t mean they suck.

  136. 136 Mr. Magee said at 10:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Many, many half-hearted attempts at tackling, little effort chasing slow-footed Goff on several plays outside the pocket, refusal to go low on Gurley (he had a career day with the stiff arm), few hard hits on the field (save for a couple from Cox after Goff released the ball and one by McLeod to force a 4th down), DBs nowhere to be found on running plays out wide… None of it will be articulated by any of the talking heads because no one wants to stick their neck out there, but an honest evaluation of the tape would not be pretty. And this is not the first time the guys did not bring it for Schwartz… Not sure what it is he is or isn’t doing, but the EFFORT just disappears sometimes, and today was one of those days.

    By the way, I didn’t say the D sucks, just that they are about average.

  137. 137 FairOaks said at 10:22 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Gurley leapt over one guy who went low.

    But yes, the key to the defense all year has been wrapping guys up. Second week in a row where there were several plays where that did not happen, and some of those were huge plays as a result. But they did stiffen at the end of the game — figured out how to get some TFLs on Gurley finally and held when it was absolutely critical.

  138. 138 xeynon said at 10:25 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    “By the way, I didn’t say the D sucks, just that they are about average.”

    That’s still wrong. Coming into this game they ranked 3rd in defensive DVOA, 4th in yardage allowed, 7th in points allowed.

    They are an above average defense by pretty much any metric you want to choose.

  139. 139 Mr. Magee said at 10:44 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Well I guess you’ll just have to hope the D decides to turn it on for the playoffs then, huh? Either that or hope that they meet up with the Bears in NFC title game, and Broncos in the SB.

  140. 140 xeynon said at 10:59 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    No question they’ll have to step it up to win the SB, but that was always going to be the case, even with Wentz in there.

    But if you’re intimating they only rank that high because of the quality of the opposition, DVOA adjusts for the quality of opponents, and they actually rank higher by it than they do by the standard statistics.

  141. 141 Mr. Magee said at 11:57 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Dude, I give up… wow

  142. 142 BlindChow said at 9:56 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The bigger question is, will they actually use that run game?

  143. 143 wee2424 said at 10:02 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The D makes us an above average team. I’m curious how much losing Wentz impacts the running game. Big V better step up because Foles isn’t nearly as mobile.

    Beginning of the season J. Kempski did this ranking of the top 10 players we could least afford to injury. I think everyone of them has either been hurt for more then 1 game or been put on IR.

  144. 144 xeynon said at 10:15 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Pass protection wasn’t a that big a problem in this game actually. Yes, Wentz got hit a lot, but a lot of that had to do with the fact that he holds onto the ball looking for an open receiver for a LOOOOONG time even when the protection is good.

    Foles can’t duplicate his athleticism, obviously, but perhaps he can somewhat compensate for the deficit there by getting rid of the ball faster.

  145. 145 wee2424 said at 10:53 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah, him doing that is a double edged sword. He can make some miraculous plays happen, but it can also lead to disaster.

    That is part of what makes him great. A gun slinger.

    Seumalo probably assisted in some of Big V’s struggles tonight.

    Could be wrong but I do think Foles has a slow release. He may decide to throw the ball quicker, but he does have a slow release. I think our vertical game may take a hit.

  146. 146 xeynon said at 10:57 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Big V had the one play where he gave up inside leverage to Quinn too quickly and didn’t pass him off to the guard cleanly, resulting in a sack, but other than that I didn’t notice any major hiccups. He looked fine for the most part.

    Seumalo and Warmack were both burn-the-game-film abortions on the other hand.

  147. 147 wee2424 said at 11:53 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Did Warmack play? I missed the first quarter and 6 minutes.

    How did Wiz get hurt? Missed that. Was he a scratch before the game?

    It’s amazing how much Seumalo has seemed to regress from his rookie year. He showed serious potential. I figured with him being a coaches son and such a technician he would simply progress.

  148. 148 wee2424 said at 5:12 PM on December 12th, 2017:

    I wonder if the G was late to getting to him, or maybe it was both their faults.

  149. 149 wee2424 said at 5:18 PM on December 12th, 2017:

    He needs to work on his slants. If I remember correctly he wasn’t very efficient with that pattern. Definitely a staple of this O.

    He may choose to get rid of the ball quicker, but he does not have a quick release. Not saying Carson does either.

    A lot of ppl knocked HR for paying Foles what we did, but it may very well be worth it. Time will tell.

    Think we get a first for Foles if we win or get to the SB? Lol.

  150. 150 phillychuck said at 10:37 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Pick was a dropped pass (well defended) that deflected to a second defender. Not Wentz’s fault, but a really tough catch, too, for Agholor.

  151. 151 Fufina said at 9:54 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    In our house? I think Foles can beat Case Keenum, i think Brees has secretly been having his worst season as a Saint (and before today we have stopped every running attack we face).

    Is it tough to lose an MVP candidate QB – hell yes it is. But with home field and better defensive and specials teams play we can compete with any team in the NFC…. Now i cannot see a world where Foles beats Brady or Roethlisberger in the Superbowl? not really we would need luck… but if bad luck can curse us with Wentz injuries, maybe she can smile on us in the big game.

  152. 152 ChoTime said at 9:59 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Who out there is so formidable? A-Rod’s out. The Panthers aren’t that good. Brees is old. The Seahawks might not even make it, and they’re different on the road.

    This is the year.

  153. 153 Mr. Magee said at 10:02 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    ‘was’ – FTFY

  154. 154 ChoTime said at 10:11 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    *shrug* I’m not ready to give up on it. Like I said, the competition in the NFC is not that scary. Obviously if Wentz is gone, the team will only be a shadow of itself, but a first seed team in a downyear can–maybe–do something.

  155. 155 Mr. Magee said at 10:23 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    That’s fair, And I hope you’re right. In the unlikely event they make it to the SB, it will be the equivalent of David vs Goliath.

  156. 156 xeynon said at 10:30 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I think the difference is if they win it this year it will be a seat-of-their-pants, chew-your-fingernails-off 2012 Ravens or 2011 Giants type run, not a dominant one.

    But it’s still possible. If they hold on to secure the #1 seed they just need two home wins over flawed opponents to get to the Super Bowl.

  157. 157 SteveH said at 9:50 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Am I the only one who feels like those hits were pretty unnecessary? I mean I know they happen all the time and the NFL is all rah rah tough guy yada yada, but I mean Wentz was already in the end zone and you’re hitting him in the knee and calves. You’re not going to stop him or strip the ball or something by smashing his knees when he’s already across the goal line.

    Kind of reminds me of the Rodgers injury. Was it against the rules? No. Did Barr land flat on top of Rodgers when he didn’t really have to? Yes.

    I guess this will always be part of the game.

  158. 158 Guy Media said at 9:51 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I can’t complain about the hit from the Rams end as I want our guys lowering the boom on the QB at every chance they get to do so legally.

  159. 159 SteveH said at 9:53 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    It’s a sword that cuts both ways, as you can obviously see. I don’t mind laying the wood on a QB trying to get extra yardage but Wentz had already scored. That was just a chance to hit a guy legally without really impacting the play in any way.

  160. 160 Guy Media said at 9:56 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The QB running with the ball is generally an abomination, so I really would like to see it happen less. Hopefully Wentz learned something today.

  161. 161 RC5000 said at 10:53 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    You been a fan of the wrong team Mike…Randall, Donovan, Vick, Wentz…

  162. 162 Guy Media said at 5:04 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    No, I’m a fan of playing the game the right way.

  163. 163 xeynon said at 9:56 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Bang-bang plays.

    You can’t blame a defensive player for trying to stop a guy from getting into the end zone.

  164. 164 FairOaks said at 10:17 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Preventing a guy from trying to score at the goal line will almost always be allowed unless it’s obvious the play is over. He fumbled before crossing last week, for example.

    Wentz is getting OK at getting down in the field, but he’s still overly reckless near the goal line. This was no exception. He does fine passing down there, would rather he never ran it unless he has a clear avenue without getting hit. Maybe a QB sneak.

  165. 165 RC5000 said at 10:31 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    It’s unrealistic to think a highly competitive football player like Carson is going to be a puss and not try to score in that situation in a huge game.

    That didn’t bother me he did that.

    Scrambling is a big part of his game too.

  166. 166 FairOaks said at 10:39 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    It is, but he hasn’t been terribly successful at it, and he’s gotten creamed. He has honestly improved a lot, but the lure of the goal line is still pretty strong. He doesn’t seem to have the Cam Newton instinctual ability to avoid the big hits in traffic though. He’s gotten creamed more than once at the GL this year. It wasn’t third down either. If he has an angle to the corner, fine, but don’t try to jam it in between defenders I don’t think.

  167. 167 bsuperfi said at 10:52 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Yeah, his risk/reward calculus is still off. He takes serious hits down there and can’t do it. And he’s at the goal line doing this a lot because he’s a great offensive player.

    Maybe Wentz needs to put himself in a better position by scoring more off long bombs.

  168. 168 RC5000 said at 11:00 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Then the defense doesn’t get off the field.

  169. 169 bsuperfi said at 4:47 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Wentz will have to start putting more hang time on his passes to compensate. More overthrows might be the way to go.

  170. 170 xeynon said at 9:54 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Whoever it was that was joking about the Nick Foles Revenge Game or saying the best Eagles play is Foles taking a knee in the victory formation… ugh.

  171. 171 Guy Media said at 10:01 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Hey Wentz is hurt but at least the Sixers are on a win streak, the Flyers aren’t in last place, and the Phillies easily acquired Mike Stanton given the low ball offer the Yankees put up that was very easy to beat………………………….


  172. 172 Eagles4life said at 10:12 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Officiating was pretty bad today but at least we got the better of them!

  173. 173 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:25 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Dear God If Carson can play at some point this season I won’t masturbate for 6 months.

  174. 174 HawaiianEagle said at 10:28 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    That’s the only way to have sex with someone I truly love.

  175. 175 Greg Tulino said at 10:26 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Great news. The Eagles are one play from Nate Sudfeld as our starting QB in a home playoff game.

  176. 176 FairOaks said at 10:34 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Maybe keeping him will be one of the most important moves of the year.

    Let’s hope not.

  177. 177 DJH said at 10:34 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The #Eagles believe QB Carson Wentz injured his ACL today vs #Rams, but initial tests don’t definitively show a complete tear, sources say. MRI tomorrow will tell the story. They’re not giving up hope.


  178. 178 xeynon said at 10:35 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    That’s a sliver of hope.

  179. 179 Anders said at 4:53 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Partial tear still needs surgery. The hope is its only a hyberflexion and with 5 weeks of rest he can be ready for the play offs

  180. 180 xeynon said at 10:38 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    O/T, but WTF were the Texans doing allowing Tom Savage to go back into the game today after he was seen lying on the ground convulsing following a big hit?

    The league has gotten better about protecting these guys from themselves and with trying to reduce the brutality of the game, but they still have a ways to go.

  181. 181 Donald Kalinowski said at 10:42 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    You do have to appreciate that if you had taken yourself from 2014 and watched this game on mute in the last 5 minutes you would be pretty thrilled.

  182. 182 xeynon said at 10:55 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Big picture, I am still very optimistic.

    Wentz is a great young player and is only 24. This injury looks like a crushing blow for this season, yes, but you have to remember there aren’t many rosier situations for a football team to be in than having a 24 year old franchise QB. They should have a decade-long window of contention ahead of them.

  183. 183 bsuperfi said at 10:47 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I’m still not sure exactly what we have in Foles. He had that great season, but we all know he wasn’t that good. Kelly’s offense was new and hot, the skill players were great. Foles isn’t nearly as bad as he looked on the Rams. We know what happened to QBs on the Rams in those days.

    My guess is that Foles could start for a handful of teams on the league and do well in the right situation. I bet the Jags would be thrilled to have him and could make some noise in the playoffs with him behind center.

    The Eagles as a team are tough and resilient. They won’t be as dynamic, but they’ll probably still score a bunch of points. If the O-line can keep Foles fairly clean, I think they can go to the Super Bowl with Foles. That’s really the big next question to me: How will the line play with the injuries on the left side? Can they keep Foles clean and open up holes for the run game to keep some pressure off Foles?

    If the line can do this, they’ll win as a team. Not what I would call likely, but not completely far fetched.

  184. 184 xeynon said at 10:53 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Sounds about right.

    Foles would be one of the worst starters in the league, but he’s one of the best backups.

  185. 185 RC5000 said at 11:09 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I can’t say I’m as optimistic. Not with Peters out and this OL that is inconsistent against good teams.

  186. 186 ChoTime said at 1:59 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    I agree about Foles, I don’t think the book is written on him yet. Possibly he’ll turn out to be a starter-type QB in the end.

  187. 187 Ankerstjernen said at 6:25 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Foles is far from Carson Wentz, but he has to be just about the best back up QB there is in the league. He would be the starting QB this year if he was on: The Bears, Jags, Browns, Dolphins and possibly Colts, and he would certainly be starting over the likes of Savage and whoever the 9’ers started the season with. With their play this year you could make the case that he might have been an improvement over Eli and Flacco just going on his resume from his time with us. He is a statue, lacks elite traits and arm talent and has flawed footwork that leads to ints under pressure, but he is probably a starter in this league (albeit a low-end one). That is quite good to have as your backup. If you have a great team and smart coaching staff around you, you can win some games like that (see: McCown 2017, Firzgerald 2016,)

    What you can’t do is win the superbowl.

  188. 188 DJH said at 10:48 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Lost in all the commotion is the fact that the Eagles got a lot of calls today. Not that I’m complaining.

  189. 189 xeynon said at 10:52 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Home-away-from-home cookin’.

    I didn’t see any egregious blown calls.

  190. 190 kajomo said at 10:56 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The penalty on Donald on the FG sticks out.

    Thought the personal fall on Trumaine Johnson was rocky tack as was the PI on Mills.

  191. 191 Duracell said at 11:01 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I thought 95 did hit Lovato while his head was still down, they just called it on Donald.

  192. 192 A_T_G said at 12:08 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Yeah, me too. He pushed off of his helmet in a sad attempt to jump 4″ off the turf.

  193. 193 RC5000 said at 11:03 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    i didn’t think Johnson personal foul was ticky tack. He shoved Jeffery and looked like he was taunting. We’ve gotten that call against us a few times in the last few years .

  194. 194 xeynon said at 11:04 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The Donald penalty was clearly a foul, Buck and Aikman noted that.

    The Johnson call, it’s impossible to know since we don’t know what he said to Jeffery. There are certain purely verbal things I believe refs are given the discretion to flag for unsportsmanlike conduct for (slurs, etc.).

  195. 195 laeagle said at 11:42 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    eagles were victims of consistently bad spots all day. Some were crazy. One went their way, by two yards, that shouldn’t have.

    I never realized how much you’d notice bad spots when watching the game live. but sometimes it’s painfully obvious. When a whole crowd of people is down at one point, but the ball mysteriously moves 2-3 yards in either direction.

  196. 196 Anders said at 4:52 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    I thought Lane’s holding on Wentz TD run was BS. Most OL’s get away with way more holding on a regular play

  197. 197 Rob Jarratt said at 11:12 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    All of a sudden, even with clinching the East and getting some separation for the #1 seed, the game against the Giants takes on special meaning with Foles at QB. This week will be the biggest challenge Reich & Co will face. With no depth on the left side of the offensive line, Wiz has to play. In addition and most important, Reich has to mold to offense to Foles’ strengths and away from his weaknesses. Finally, the defense needs to step up bigtime from the beatings it’s taken out West. Schwartz needs to tighten things up on that side of the ball.

  198. 198 Tumtum said at 11:14 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Let’s be honest. If the Carson injury is serious, this becomes last year’s team.

  199. 199 or____ said at 11:16 PM on December 10th, 2017:


  200. 200 Tumtum said at 11:19 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Oh, but yes.

  201. 201 or____ said at 11:21 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Im not saying the team doesn’t sink to a lower level, but no on defense, no at skill positions, and Foles is fundamentally different than rookie Wentz

  202. 202 Tumtum said at 11:24 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I’ll give you that. The performance from the corners is def better. Goode might make up for that in a bad way though.

  203. 203 Insomniac said at 11:18 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Nah, we have WRs this year. Whichever QB is starting is going to get creamed if Wis isn’t back. Pretty sure Big V is getting exposed (not surprised) as well so there’s that too.

  204. 204 Tumtum said at 11:20 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Maybe I am in the minority but I thought last year was a good team over-all. Just super average and not outstanding in any way.

  205. 205 Ryan Rambo said at 11:20 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Last years team doesn’t win the game tonight.

  206. 206 Tumtum said at 11:22 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    The game was won on a throw to Alshon Jeffery. Not by Foles.

    People get to caught up in the record of last year’s team. They were solid.

  207. 207 Ryan Rambo said at 11:34 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Defense had a bit to do with it as well as a no quit attitude. They could have easily packed it in after Carson went down. It’s been “next man up” all season. Sucks it had to involve Carson this time.

  208. 208 Tumtum said at 12:24 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Well yeah. Offense wise. Chris long gets a game ball for sure.

  209. 209 Philadelphian said at 12:53 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Actually, I believe the defense felt they owed it to the offense because the defense played poorly until late in the 4th quarter.

  210. 210 xeynon said at 11:54 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Last year’s team was pretty good according to DVOA. They were extraordinarily unlucky with losses in close games.

  211. 211 Someguy77 said at 12:33 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Better than that because the skill position players are improved especially WRs. DL and secondary are better.

    Question is can they win 2 home playoff games in the NFC to reach the Super Bowl with Foles at QB? I say ‘no.’

  212. 212 ColorSgt said at 12:41 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    I think he gives them a chance. It’s definitely going to be tougher though.

  213. 213 Philadelphian said at 12:51 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Not unless the defense plays a lot better.

  214. 214 Someguy77 said at 12:58 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Defense didn’t play well in the 2nd half but I thought that was in part due to McVay’s play-calling adjustments (going back to Gurley and using the run to set up the pass).

    Eagles not having faith in any of their MLB options really hurt too. Rams proved today you can run against this defense especially when they use that Big Nickel formation.

    If you look at the overall box score, Rams weren’t that impressive although they ran the ball incredibly well.

    Watkins was kept in check and Kupp’s big play was because of lousy coverage & effort by McLeod.

  215. 215 BlindChow said at 2:28 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Dead on about McVay. Imagine a team that starts running more in the 2nd half…against the best run defense in the league…and has success.

    Now imagine a team that is playing the 27th best run defense in the league, and calls 51 passes…

    This is why the Eagles aren’t going anywhere in the playoffs. The QB won’t even matter…

  216. 216 Guy Media said at 5:01 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    “Defense didn’t play well in the 2nd half but I thought that was in part due to McVay’s play-calling adjustments (going back to Gurley and using the run to set up the pass).”

    So what was Schwartz doing?

  217. 217 anon said at 4:12 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    how meta, by losing carson we’re as good as a team with carson?

  218. 218 kajomo said at 11:28 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    What is up with wis? I haven’t seen anything about his injury

  219. 219 laeagle said at 11:41 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    I heard ankle during the game

  220. 220 CrackSammich said at 11:34 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    If only there were a starting quality QB with deep playoff experience just sitting on the street right now.

  221. 221 CrackSammich said at 11:47 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    For real. Sign Kaep tomorrow. He can be playbook ready by the postseason.

  222. 222 Sean E said at 11:51 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Kinda hard to utilize a west coast offense when your QB telegraphs the throw via a baseball pitcher windup.

  223. 223 Tumtum said at 12:22 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Purely from a football standpoint I feel like this is one of the few offenses that could support a different talent like Kaep with some degree of success…..maybe.

  224. 224 TXEaglesFan said at 11:55 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    Not sure if the media circus that will follow the team is anywhere close to worth it. Is he even in football shape?

  225. 225 Guy Media said at 5:00 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    No thanks.

  226. 226 xeynon said at 11:53 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    If it were the middle of the season, I’d say sure, go for it. But as is, I’m not sure there’d be time to get Kaepernick ready. He hasn’t played football in almost a year and we’d be looking at a little over a month to prep him, then throwing him into the cauldron of the playoffs.

  227. 227 Tumtum said at 12:17 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Yeah man let’s sign the most controversial figure in pop culture today. How could that possibly go wrong?

  228. 228 anon said at 4:11 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    He’s not very good.

  229. 229 PudgyPanda said at 4:41 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Actually he followed Nate Boyer advice and started to kneel.

  230. 230 Guy Media said at 5:00 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Running back? We hardly use the ones we have.

  231. 231 Sean E said at 11:55 PM on December 10th, 2017:

    With Vikings losing to a shared opponent, we now have them beat on tiebreakers if it comes to that. We are effectively a game and a half ahead of Vikings for the #1 seed. That’s good, because we will need it.

  232. 232 FairOaks said at 12:16 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Yes, today’s games completely flipped the tiebreaker scenario (as well as us gaining a game on Minnesota).

    I think it’s basically like this — with one more win, we guarantee a bye. With two more wins, we guarantee home field.

  233. 233 Sean E said at 12:18 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Wonder what the team does if they clinch #1 seed in Week 15…

  234. 234 FairOaks said at 12:22 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Wrap the starters in bubble wrap, me thinks.

    2004 Eagles clinched with two games left — Reid played the starters a series or two in game 16, but pretty much sat them both games. He sat several starters in 2013 in Kansas City.

    Will be interesting to see if Pederson agrees with that approach. Though Foles could possibly use the practice either way, though. But you surely don’t want him injured.

  235. 235 Fufina said at 5:25 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Think you ‘rest’ the defensive starters, and play the 1st team offence. We need chemistry fast between Foles and his weapons, and he has not generally been throwing to them much. I think we might see a bigger role for Hollins and Burton, because they are solid players and Foles has been throwing to them all season in practice.

  236. 236 xeynon said at 7:21 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Yeah, I agree with this.

    We can’t afford any more injuries, but we need to get Nick in a starting groove. Having him play a few low pressure shootouts to build chemistry and timing with the rest of the offense under real game conditions could be more valuable than avoiding the risk of further injuries on the offensive side of the ball.

  237. 237 Guy Media said at 5:35 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    And I think the Vikings take a loss vs. Green Bay and Mr. Rodgers.

  238. 238 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 12:12 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Time to sign G.J. Kinne.

  239. 239 Guy Media said at 5:35 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    We hardly use the running backs we have.

  240. 240 A_T_G said at 12:16 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    The obvious guy to sign would be Prince Harry.

  241. 241 Someguy77 said at 12:38 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    TEs did have 3 TDs today but man Celek looks old. He isn’t even a consistently good blocking TE anymore.

    Kind of reminds me of the last year Avant was here. Technically he is very proficient and able but just has athletically can’t cut it anymore.

  242. 242 BlindChow said at 1:21 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    TE’s had 3 TD’s in the first half.

    Not sure why they mostly disappeared from the game plan during the second half. Maybe the Rams adjusted, but that should have left some other openings. Perhaps they realized the Eagles weren’t going to run, so they started concentrating on coverage instead…

  243. 243 Someguy77 said at 12:44 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Robinson has come back to earth the past 2 weeks as well. Awful on a few tackles today in run support even if his coverage seemed ‘ok.’

    Happily will move Mills inside (he can’t cover outside) to the slot CB next year or even possibly consider moving him to S.

    Rams were targeting McLeod a fair amount today and besides the nice stick on 3rd down & fumble recovery he struggled in coverage. He had a rep as a fierce some tackler including in run support but haven’t seen any indications of it since he has been here.

    McLeod is likely here through next year given his contract but easy to see him be a strong cut/restructure in 2019.

  244. 244 Someguy77 said at 12:51 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    The DEs collectively this week seemed to have their worst game of the year by far.

    Yeah Long had the huge play in the 4th quarter but the outside contains seemed awful and they weren’t able to generate enough of a consistent pass rush for the first time all year.

    Only DL who seemed to generate consistent pressure today was Cox especially when he got matched up in 1-on-1 with the Rams’ C who he beat a few times.

  245. 245 Mr. Magee said at 2:11 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Yup, looks like an easy road for them.. So exciting to see Brady and belichek win another superbowl

  246. 246 Guy Media said at 4:58 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Seth Joyner went off on the DEs

  247. 247 Someguy77 said at 1:09 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    A few weeks ago, Gurley and the Rams’ running attack went nowhere vs Vikings and Vikings kept the Rams’ offense well in-check (24-7).

    Today, the Vikings couldn’t stop the Panthers rushing the ball all day including Newton, gave up over 200+ rushing yards, and lost 31-24.

    With Wentz almost certainly done for the year, it basically is the Pats and then everybody else. Steelers are talented but highly erratic and I can’t see the Jags going into NE and knocking them off despite how well they have played (won 6 out of 7 and easily might go into playoffs winning out to finish 12-4). Bortles just isn’t good enough.

  248. 248 anon said at 4:08 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Right now we are the Jags

  249. 249 Ankerstjernen said at 7:01 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Our defense is not that good. But then again, Foles>Bortles.

  250. 250 Masked Man said at 1:26 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Only two things are important now.
    1) See how Carson is in the morning.
    2) Play the Giants next week.

    That’s it. We are getting way ahead of ourselves with any other comments. Who said it’s over?

    With a first round bye, you only have to win two football games to get to the Super Bowl. Two games.

    That can be done. There’s nothing to say this team can’t win two home games. Even without Carson.

    Let’s see how we are doing in the morning… Go Eagles!

  251. 251 xeynon said at 7:18 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Agreed. First order of business is to lock up the bye/HFA.

    Once that’s done, we can worry about how we win in the playoffs without Carson.

  252. 252 Someguy77 said at 3:17 AM on December 11th, 2017:


    Help me Nick Edward Foles, your my only hope!

  253. 253 laeagle said at 3:19 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    It’s bittersweet, and we’ll see what the full story is tomorrow, but man, that was a fun game to go to. It was as much a home game as any I’ve been too in the Linc or Vet. They just needed the announcer to get his head out of his ass.

    Fun crowd. TONS of Eagles fans. The fight song after TDs was off the hook. 3rd down, you could see Goff get affected by the noise. The fans really did their part.

    Eagles fans can be terrible (though I can say that about most NFL fans). But today, Eagles fans were great. Way to represent, way to make a difference.

  254. 254 Frencheaglesfan said at 4:26 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    This was a game where the O stepped up for the D. Amazing play by Burton, Alshon, Torrey, Agholor, Clement, Ajayi and the Oline (Donald was not as dominant as he normally is). I’m devasted though. It’s rainy in Paris today and like the french poet Paul Verlaine said: “it rains in the city like it weeps in my heart”.

  255. 255 SundayAfternoons said at 8:06 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Donald didn’t have outrageous numbers but watching the game, there was a clear difference in play calling once Wiz went down, and there was a lot more pressure on Wentz and Foles too.

  256. 256 Frencheaglesfan said at 5:27 AM on December 11th, 2017:


  257. 257 xeynon said at 7:16 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    To be fair anyone is going to struggle to walk down steps with one of those stiff knee braces on, even if he’s totally health.

    But yeah, I am prepared for the news that he’s out for the year to come later today.

  258. 258 Guy Media said at 5:27 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Just ran a version of the playoff machine with
    Eagles – 1
    Vikings – 2
    Saints – 3
    Seattle – 4
    Rams – 5
    Falcons – 6

    Green Bay (10-6) and Carolina (10-6) just miss out.

    In that scenario, I’d call for us to once again lose to Seattle sadly.

  259. 259 xeynon said at 7:29 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    I don’t think Seattle is guaranteed to beat LA, either next week or in the playoffs. Having now watched both teams in back-to-back weeks I’m more impressed with the Rams than I am with the Seahawks.

  260. 260 Dragon_Eagle said at 7:03 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    If we’re going to do any real damage going forward with Nick Files, we need Wiz back. Want to hear the diagnosis and prognosis for him almost as much as for Wentz.

    We can win in January if the rushing attack becomes the focal point, takes pressure off Nick, and we execute. Won’t happen with Chance or Seumalo.

  261. 261 T_S_O_P said at 7:08 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Was about to ask the same question. Was Wis’ injury concussion?

  262. 262 A_T_G said at 7:42 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Ankle. Strangely, as the storyline developed of pressure on Wentz and Donald beating Chance, Sem like a pair of drums, they never talked about it.

  263. 263 A_T_G said at 7:42 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    So our only chance is no Chance? Sounds very Philly.

  264. 264 eagleyankfan said at 7:03 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    I guess we won’t see anymore tweets about how the Eagles can’t beat a team > .500.
    Guess we’ll see posts about this this team now compares when RC went down or when 5 went down. Can’t wait for those…..
    Never been so bummed about beating a good team, on the west coast – to clinch. Mother F#%#%^.

  265. 265 T_S_O_P said at 7:31 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Yes, Bryce Paup is still a fresh wound that has just lost a little of it’s scab.

  266. 266 daveH said at 7:18 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Tossed and turned since 5:30 this morning.
    Kept thinking of similarities to RG3.

  267. 267 xeynon said at 7:27 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    You can stop tossing and turning. There aren’t any meaningful similarities.

    RG3 was a true read-option QB who relied on the threat of the run to excel, and he also tried to rush back (coming back in week 1 after being hurt in the playoffs). And he had a coaching staff and front office that didn’t look out for his long term health.

    While mobility is a really nice addition to Wentz’s game, he’s not dependent on it to the same degree. He really functions fine as a classic drop back pocket passer. They’ll have to do a better job of protecting him if he loses a bit of his speed next season as a result of this injury, and/or incorporate more quick throws to get the ball out of his hands quickly, but even if this is an ACL tear it’s unlikely to be more than a temporary setback for a player like Wentz.

  268. 268 daveH said at 7:59 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Wasnt getting that specific… love your anslysis .. just watching another big healthy kid get ruined in this league is bad enough

  269. 269 xeynon said at 8:58 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Agreed, there’s no getting around the fact that it sucks. Injuries are one of the worst parts of this sport.

    I just want to counter the negativity a bit. There’s no question this is a big blow for this season, but I see some people talking about this like it’s a franchise-crushing setback and that is overblown IMO.

  270. 270 daveH said at 9:29 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    Love me some Foles, but nfl & college injuries are demoralizing ..

  271. 271 SundayAfternoons said at 8:04 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    fack it! Call up Vick. Call up Tony Romo. Call up CK.

    No way in hell we’re riding with Foles for the next 12 months. I refuse to believe that.

  272. 272 A_T_G said at 8:28 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    As much as this sucks, the aura of Carson Wentz will only grow from this. Breaks the season TD record on 4th down playing on a torn up knee before walking off the field and to locker room? That is a tough SOB.

    Knowing now, you can see he is hurting on the 4th down throw.

    And as awe inspiring as it is to see him walking around the party and off the plane, it worries me. If it was a sprain, i.e. a partial tear, would they be more caution with immobilizing it? It kind of seems like the treatment for an injury that is as bad as it is going to get. Any of our medical guys have an opinion?

  273. 273 Fufina said at 10:34 AM on December 11th, 2017:

    As #Eagles QB Carson Wentz is set for his MRI, the team doesn't know his status. If they have a Ryan Tannehill situation from last year, remember: Tannehill practiced before the playoffs, could've played if the #Dolphins had advanced. pic.twitter.com/rlRYyKuqW3— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 11, 2017

    God waiting for news is the worst… its the glimmer of hope that always kills you.

    If it isn’t a full tear Wentz should have 5 weeks to get right for the playoffs – think Foles should be able to go 2-1 against teams not in the playoff hunt

  274. 274 Corry said at 12:12 PM on December 11th, 2017:

    Pederson announced that Wentz is done for the year.

  275. 275 Fufina said at 12:25 PM on December 11th, 2017:

    Who has me some Nicky Foles YouTube highlights to watch. Ideally a nice HD 5-6min highlight package of the 7td game i can watch on repeat all week to condition myself into feeling hyped for the rest of the season.