Jeffery and Jeffrey 4 Ever

Posted: December 2nd, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 79 Comments »

We heard rumors that the Eagles were hoping to extend one more player during the season. That’s a done deal.

Cool.

Jeffrey hasn’t been TO, Pt. 2. He isn’t putting up phenomenal numbers or dominating opponents. But he’s also not TO off the field.

Jeffrey is the Eagles best receiver and he’s playing his best football the past three games. Going 43-619-7 for the season is hardly spectacular, but 15-203-4 over the past three games is pretty darn impressive. Those would be TO type of numbers.

Carson Wentz and Jeffrey haven’t always been on the same page, but they seem to be getting there. Jeffrey does seem to have the full trust of Wentz. AJ is a target on 3rd downs and in the Red Zone. Jeffrey is the one guy Wentz will throw to when he’s tightly covered.

While Jeffrey hasn’t been dynamic on the field, he’s also not been an issue in the locker room. He is not a diva WR. The Eagles have great chemistry right now and Jeffrey is part of that. He isn’t chirping in Wentz’s ear about getting more throws or whining to the media about catches. After playing on some bad Bears teams, Jeffrey is happy to win games more than just piling up numbers.

The Eagles faced somewhat of a dilemma if they didn’t make this move. Torrey Smith will almost certainly be cut in the offseason. If the team let Jeffrey leave, they would need to replace two starters, with only Agholor returning in the slot.

Mack Hollins looks like he will be a starter next year. He’s 12-191-1 so far. Those aren’t compelling numbers, but he’s the #4 WR. AJ had 24 catches as a rookie and he started six games so rookie production doesn’t tell the whole story about the future. Hollins certainly has shown the traits that you want in a starting receiver.

The Eagles could spend their 1st round pick on a WR, but Howie Roseman has pointed out that rookie receivers are generally not productive. There have been exceptions, but not many in recent years. The Eagles want to be a top flight team next year. Counting on a rookie receiver wasn’t the way to go.

The Eagles could have targeted someone in free agency, but you roll the dice. Do you get Robert Woods or do you get Terrell Pryor? And chances are you would be spending big money. Why not spend the money on someone you already know, as a person and as a player?

Bringing back Jeffrey gives you a good corps of players. Jeffrey, Hollins and Agholor will likely be the starters. Marcus Johnson and Shelton Gibson will be role players and depth. The Eagles will bring in more players to compete.

But that’s next year.

For now, the Eagles have let a star player know they value him and want him to stick around. That will make him happy. It will certainly make his QB happy. And with the chemistry on this team, it will likely make plenty of his teammates happy.

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  • Eric Berinson

    This is OK, but if I had a choice at this point, I would have signed Bradham.

    • Duracell

      I wouldn’t be upset if they resigned Bradham, but count me among those who think spending $8m per year on a linebacker is not the best use of assets. I still hope they keep him beyond this year, but Jeffery is much more important to this team.

    • xeynon

      Nah. Bradham is a nice player but I don’t think outside linebacker is nearly as critical position as wide receiver so unless you’re talking about a Derrick Brooks-caliber player there I don’t think it’s worth spending big money.

  • Masked Man

    Cool list of everybody under contract for 3+ years now:

    Carson Wentz

    Alshon Jeffrey

    Mack Hollins

    Zach Ertz

    Nelson Agholor

    Lane Johnson

    Brandon Brooks

    Halapoulivaati Vaitai

    Corey Clement

    Wendell Smallwood

    Fletcher Cox

    Timmy Jernigan

    Destiny Vaeao

    Derek Barnett

    Vinny Curry (maybe)

    Jordan Hicks

    Jalen Mills

    Rasul Douglas

    Sidney Jones

    Malcolm Jenkins

    Rodney McLeod

    Jake Elliott

    Also in house:

    Jay Ajayi

    Ronald Darby

    List Courtesy of CVEagles @BGN

    • Duracell

      I think that’s wrong about Nelson (under team control for 2 years). I’m also hoping that we can add Graham to that list soon.

      • Masked Man

        I didn’t check the list for accuracy. Cut and pasted it. I was thinking Nellie has 2 more years. Is that what you believe? Is there a 5th year option with his rookie deal?

        • Howie Littlefinger

          Yeah the team has an option for his 5th year because he was a first round pick

    • Someguy77

      Curry has had a nice bounce back year but he isn’t an elite or consistent pass rusher. He’ll either need to redo his contract this offseason or find a new home.

  • nopain23

    With all the signings and trades this season, AJ , ajayi, roby etc what really is the eagles biggest need next season…LB?, OL?….I really see no glaring weaknesses on this team. Far cry from last season. With little draft capital next season I’d say the team is in great shape. Thanks Howie and Joe.

    • Masked Man

      LB OL RB WR TE

      • Duracell

        Yeah agree those look like the draft needs. Obviously depends on who is out there, but I wouldn’t mind drafting 2 OL with our earliest picks.

        • Masked Man

          One Tackle and one Guard?

          Looks like Center is covered.

          • Duracell

            A starter at guard (maybe not year 1) and a depth tackle would be nice.

          • Someguy77

            Kelce is certainly in the running for strongest bounce back year on a team filled with them including Curry, Robinson, Wiz, etc.

      • Howie Littlefinger

        Safety I would say

        Interior OL, Safety, WR,LB, TE

        I’m good with Ajayi, Clement, Smallwood, Pump, (Sproles, Blount)

    • Someguy77

      LB and OL are the two big ones for next year right now.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        I’m with this vote. OL – though Vaitai is turning out to be among the biggest surprises, if a top tier OT is available, grab him.

    • Ark87

      Right now we are in pretty good shape. It will depend on who we decide we can keep and who we have to let go. I get the feeling what is available in FA and the draft will determine who we can afford to let go. So these things will be attached at the hip.

    • CrackSammich

      I would go heavy at OL. 2 of the top 3 picks if possible. A WR high would also be nice. Mack can start, but he shouldn’t be given the job.
      We’ll also need to replace Agholor next year. Absolutely need backups at S, LB, TE.

  • Someguy77

    Yeah the Eagles have a clear need but I’m not crazy about the dollars especially the guaranteed dollars.

    Jeffrey has been good but not great since his 3rd year in the league. Paying him more like he is a great WR (top 15) when he hadn’t been. Also expecting him to stay healthy and on the field which is a pretty dicey proposition.

    Seems like they have identified their core, resigned a few players they think are key, and are trying to maximize their chances of winning at least one Super Bowl under Wentz’s rookie contract.

    This contract is a bit of a gamble but it makes sense in the larger picture of what Roseman is trying to accomplish. Maximizing their chances of winning over the next two years before Wentz’s contract escalated in 2020.

    • Masked Man

      When you look at Dez in Dallas and D. Thomas in Denver making $15m per year, this is a fair deal for Alshon and it buys him a happy home here in Philly where he can win. Money’s not everything. But it’s fair for Alshon at $13m/yr for 4 years on average.

      • Someguy77

        Yeah but those are bad/terrible contracts now and Jeffrey will be 28 next year.

        Seems more like they are trying to maximize the next 2 years and less of a worry about Jeffrey and any leftover guaranteed money in 2020 & beyond.

        As Tommy pointed out, Jeffrey had a lot of question marks coming into this season on and off the field. Supposedly had that nagging foot injury for a while but he had stayed on the field, played through it, and been productive enough. Also hadn’t been a peep about him off the field.

        He isn’t TO but TO is a HOF WR. Even Reese said the other day that the team was privately deflated after TO got injured in 2004 because they knew he was the best player on the 2004 team.

        • Masked Man

          One commenter said that the guarantee number makes this a 2 year $27m dollar deal in reality. Team options beyond that.

          The key might be that Alshon gets cheaper when it’s time to pay Carson in three years.

          And I think people know that Alshon has great talent even though he doesn’t get targeted 20 times a game like some teams might use him.

          Eagles offense spreads it around. On an open market though, Alshon might get $16m/year.. Only takes one team.

          • Someguy77

            As Tommy added, this gives them a bit more flexibility next year with the 1st round pick too (hopefully 32nd pick).

            If they want to move back to grab an extra pick, they can do it or grab the best OL available including even a C if they really like somebody at that spot.

          • Howie Littlefinger

            Maclin is getting 11 mil a year. AJ is getting good value and so are we. It’s not a steal but if the front office and player are happy and the coaches and fans are happy…

            what’s wrong with a win/win?

        • Duracell

          I would have rather had Alshon at $11m per year, obviously, but when you compare it to what other receivers around the league are getting, this deal is fine. Tavon Austin 4/$42m. Desean 3/$33.5m. Jarvis Landry will probably get $12m per year this offseason.

          I get where you’re coming from. I don’t think more than maybe 5 QBs should be earning more than $15m per year, and many should probably be under $10m, but that’s just not the reality. We’d be hard pressed to find someone that can match Jeffery’s contribution to this offense for less money. And with T. Smith a near-certain cap casualty, I’d be very nervous having to replace 2 WRs going into next year.

    • ChoTime

      It looks like an okay deal. He hasn’t put up big numbers, but he’s been an effective player, and there’s a good chance the Wentz/AJ connection will improve. More importantly, if you don’t resign him, then what do you get there? Do you get a better or equal player at an affordable rate? (probably not) Do you get a crappier player for less money? (yes, but is what you spend that extra money on going to get you more results for the team than what we have here?) How much is AJ knowing the system and getting more comfortable worth than rolling the dice on a different FA and seeing what happens?

      • xeynon

        More importantly, if you don’t resign him, then what do you get there?

        This is the key consideration people are ignoring. Yes, signing him to a long-term contract is a risk. Signing any NFL player to a long-term contract is a risk, given the rate of catastrophic injuries in this sport. But letting him walk is also a risk. Arguably a bigger one, since anybody you replace him with (1) will also require an outlay of guaranteed money and (2) may not be able to duplicate the kind of chemistry with Wentz that Jeffery is clearly building.

        • Masked Man

          Alshon has proven to be a big play guy who is not a diva. He’s perfect. Can carry the offense at times. Won’t cry if he only catches 3 balls in a game.

    • Jernst

      I hear what you’re saying, but at the same time philly fans blow my mind. When we had a frugal GM in Banner people complained nonstop that we always won the cap space olympics and that they’d rather us spend up to the full cap and fill out our team.

      Now we have a GM that has constructed the unanimously considered #1 team in all of football and has locked up 21 of 22 starters long term and now all of a sudden everyone’s worried about cap space. I just don’t get it.

      • Someguy77

        I wasn’t one of them. Banner was right though including with letting Dawkins go.

        I am not complaining at all about Roseman either. Just saying about this deal.

  • Eric Berinson

    If Jeffrey was not injury prone, the decision would be more clear cut. If Bradham walks, the center of the “D” is Hicks/Kendrick, which is great if/when healthy. Bradham gives the LB depth u need with 3 starting quality youthful vets. My comment is predicated on who is more easily replaced, Bradham, who is there for u every Sunday, or Jeffrey, whose 13 mil may come with weekends where he fails to suit up.

    • Howie Littlefinger

      Bradham plays with heart and soul on the field like I haven’t seen from us since Dawk. I’m not saying he is #20 but letting him walk too would be a terrible mistake.

      Put a cabana Claus in the contract tho 😉

    • kajomo

      I don’t get your objection. We are going to re-sign Bradham at some point too. No way we let him walk. What is the issue with keeping both?

      • Fufina

        Pretty sure we will let him walk. You do not need multiple elite LB’s in this scheme and i am not sure that Schwartz/Howie value LB’s to that extent. We have invested in DT’s rather than LB’s.

        • kajomo

          WE don’t have a bunch of elite guys. Bradham is the closest to elite. Hicks has not proven to be durable. Kendricks does not seem like he’s in the long term plans. Bradham is the key to our LB group. I’m fine drafting a LB to replace Hicks next year personally

    • D3FB

      Jeffery is more important and less easily replaced.

  • Ark87

    It’s such an odd year. This year was supposed to be a stepping stone year to something better. We had a lot of guys on 1 year deals and a lot of guys making too much that we knew we wouldn’t keep beyond this year (so everyone wanted them traded). It was great to be a team in transition when you are projecting from bad to mediocre to great. But we’ve sort of ended up with a team where we spent every penny and it’s all paying off. We’ve captured lightning in a bottle here. It reminds me a lot of the 2015 Panthers. No expectations whatsoever, the O-line had pricey vets were unlikely to live up to their contract. The Secondary was a bunch of no-name mercs scotch-taped together. By all accounts that team was cap-strapped to the max and set to be the definition of mediocre. And then it all came together.

    Howie has a huge challenge ahead of him. The team as we know it right now, he will not be able to keep together. He is currently identifying the foundation of this team and locking it up long term. Then let a lot of valuable contributors and role players walk, and fill those gaps with bargain bin vets and guys on rookie deals. The team is indeed in transition, and that was great when we weren’t on top of the mountain. Now it’s a perilous balancing act on the peak, but I think Howie is enjoying himself.

    • HawaiianEagle

      Well, in the immortal words of Jake Taylor, “we’ll, then I guess there’s only one thing left to do…”

      • Ark87

        As Al Davis famously finished his sentence, “Just win baby”

    • Jernst

      I’m not so sure about not being able to keep it together. Wentz, Ajayi, Clement, Vaitai, Peters, Wis, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson, Ertz, Agholor, Hollins, Curry, Graham, Cox, Jernigan, Long, Barnett, Hicks, Kendrick’s, Darby, Mills, Jones, Douglas, Jenkins, McLeod are all under contract for next year and the vast majority for additional years after that.

      This past offseason we signed Alshon, Blount, Smith, Wis, Warmack, Long and traded for Darby, Jernigan and Ajayi and we ended up with more cap space at the end of training cap than we had going into the offseason.

      In the next year or two this team is going to get out of the high cap numbers for Peters, Celek, Burton, Kendricks, Sproles, Foles and potentially Curry opening up plentyof cap space. This team is in excellent position moving forward.

      • Eric Berinson

        Do u really wanna let Peters walk (cut him) if he wants in next year? The example of moving on from a future HOF (20) did not sit well with the fan base, & even management admitted it was a mistake. Same could apply to Sproles.

        • Jernst

          Do I want to? No. Not at all. But, I’m just being realistic that at 36 years old he’d be the oldest human ever to return from a combined ACL/MCL tear to continue performing at a high level as a LT. Chances are his career as a player is over and his career as a coach is just beginning. If he wants to come back and give it a go at LT or possibly as a LG and doesn’t mind taking a pay cut to do so I’m all for keeping in. But, he has to prove that he can come back full strength in 8 months from a pretty bad knee injury at age 36 first. In that case I think the decision will be made for us.

          But, if he wants to come back and physically can, then we keep him. Regardless my statement that “over the next year OR TWO” Peters’ high cap number will go away remains true. Do you really think Peters is going to come back from injury at age 36, play two more years at a high level and then sign an extension at age 38. At some point in the very near future whether it’s this coming offseason or next, Peters is going to retire.

  • Ian Keenan

    Tied for seventh in the NFL for WR salaries, with enough guaranteed that they can’t get out easily. DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Demaryius Thomas, Dez, TY Hilton, Alshon Jeffrey. I’m saying that as with Jernigan, that’s too much, a situation where the player has all the leverage in a position they were unable to address in the draft. If you’re not getting much quality in the draft, then cap space becomes important.

    I like this a little better than with Jernigan because the prices may indeed get high this offseason for WRs and it’s perceived that having Jeffrey has made Wentz much better, even if the chemistry hasn’t been great and a similar or slightly higher figure may net Sammy Watkins, Terrelle Pryor, or Davante Adams.

    • laeagle

      Wait, what? You don’t like this because it’s less than what it would cost to sign Terrelle Pryor? That’s crazy.

      • Ian Keenan

        Reread, concentrating on the whole paragraph.

    • Someguy77

      Contract to Jeffrey is constructed very similiar to Jernigan with them both bringhetthrough 2019 now at least.

      Paying

    • ChoTime

      Another case of us overpaying because of bad drafting in the past. But it seems to me Howie’s playing the cards as best as can be done at this point.

      • or____

        Is there specific bad drafting you’re referring to here?

        • Someguy77

          Agholor but it is a bit of a stretch to say this move in particular was due to bad drafting.

          • ChoTime

            Actually, we lost two excellent WRs, then spent top draft picks attempting (and failing) to replace them, and AJ’s one year deal and this extension all followed.

          • meteorologist

            Maclin and Djax were good, certainly not excellent WRs.

            Djax was the best in the league at going deep, but that doesn’t make him an excellent WR (see playoffs vs Saints). Maclin was well rounded but has fallen off tremendously since…

          • CrackSammich

            I think Maclin’s death is a little overblown. He’s had Alex Smith and whatever’s left of Flacco throwing to him. I’d love to have him back next year if the contract is right.

          • Masked Man

            Maclin had three knee surgeries… You like him that much? I’d rather go with a draft pick these days.

          • CrackSammich

            ¿Porque no los dos?

            Maclin is a quality wide receiver that hasn’t played well for a few years and will be cheap. Those guys are worth the money for the experience and some can surprise you. You can say Torrey Smith, but I can say Chris Long, Evan Mathis, Patrick Robinson.

            And yeah. If we can’t put priority resources towards a position, I would love for Howie to address every single hole on the roster with a bargain bin vet and a rookie. Maclin + a rookie + Hollins battling for WR2 would be great.

          • Masked Man

            OK. Two knee surgeries.

            Just saying that after all that, Maclin is much more a band aid than a building block.

            We can use a band aid from time to time. But an old band aid like Maclin? Too much water under the bridge.

            It takes him too long to get started each year. Then he wears down as the season goes on now…..

            His upside is all used up. That’s football!

            But another guy would be another situation altogether, like Long or Smith.

        • CrackSammich

          Take a gander at the 2011 draft sometime. The only thing we got of value out of that one is Kelce in the 6th fucking round. The only other player still in the league is Dion Lewis.

          Marcus Smith. Rowe.

          • Masked Man

            Crack you’re still worried about 5-7 years ago going back to the Andy years and the first Chip year?

          • CrackSammich

            Considering the 2012 draft is the bedrock of our team right now, absolutely. Also, that was Howie. But I’ll go down the list for you:

            2010: BG, Coleman in the 7th. Out of 11 picks. You can give credit for Allen, Harbor, and Cooper, but nah. Keep in mind as well that BG wasn’t great until his rookie contract was up, and Kurt Coleman was nowhere near his probowl days. Terrible.
            2011: Kelce in the 6th. Terrible.
            2012: Cox, Curry, Kendricks, Foles, with Boykin, Dennis Kelly, and Bryce Brown all playing meaningful snaps and flipped for assets. HOF worthy draft!
            2013: Johnson, Ertz, Logan (RIP). Good.
            2014: Jordan Matthews (RIP) and Beau Allen in the 7th. Terrible. You can make an argument for Watkins and Hart, but you’d be wrong.
            2015: Hicks, Agholor. Bad, only because we didn’t even score any back of the roster guys. Rowe was a waste of assets and the other 3 never played a snap.
            2016: Wentz, Mills, Vaitai (Seumalo? Smallwood? Walker? too soon to tell) Great! The other 3 working out could make this rival the 2012 draft.
            2017: Signs are good for Barnett, Hollins, and Douglas, with Jones yet to play.

            If you’re looking for 2-3 quality starters every year on rookie contracts with a couple back of the roster dudes giving you contributions, you can see why we were terrible for a few years. To answer the question of, is there a specific bad draft? Yeah, a couple. And do Chip’s draft classes matter? Yes. A lot of those guys should still be here on rookie contracts.

          • Masked Man

            Hey CS!

            I thought I was nutso for football. Bro-Slice, you got too much time on your hands, man.

            You still think about all that stuff from back then??

      • Masked Man

        Ian says above that Alshon is tied for 7th now with these guys out ahead of him:

        “DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Demaryius Thomas, Dez, TY Hilton, Alshon Jeffrey.”

        But Antonio Brown is also making $19 million this year. That makes Alshon tied for 8th. He’s a top 10 guy.

        Sammy Watkins is unrestricted next off season, I believe. Big WR contracts again this off season.

        We got Alshon at a nice price.

        • Someguy77

          He isn’t a Top 10 WR.

          • Masked Man

            Well he’s in a tier above Desean Jackson and Terrelle Pryor who are in that 10-12 million per year range.

            There will be some new contracts signed this off season that push Alshon down to maybe a top 12 payrange.

            Feel better? ;-]

    • D3FB

      And in 18 months he’ll be like the 15th highest paid WR.

      Both players got paid fair value.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Good move. I think Tommy’s point about the draft can’t be understated. This move keeps us from the temptation to draft a WR over BPA.

    If Wentz & Jeffrey get better than they have been over the last 3 weeks, look out NFL. And all signs, their work ethic in particular, point to that happening. They could be something like Rodgers-Nelson or Manning-Harrison. Just 2 guys that always make that crucial 3rd down or backbreaking play.

  • meteorologist

    DGR up

  • Jernst

    Best team in football has 21 of 22 starters locked up for next offseason. If anyone has any complaints about the job Howie has done since returning from exile they are nuts.

    • Masked Man

      Have 2 more years in this window before we have to pay Carson.

  • xeynon

    I think part of the reason Jeffery doesn’t have the type of statistics typical of a #1 receiver is BECAUSE he doesn’t have the attitude typical of a #1 receiver. Lots of guys in that caregory are divas and will start to chirp if they’re not getting enough targets or the QB is missing them, and hence will get more balls thrown their way, inflating their stats. Alshon doesn’t do that – he just goes out and executes his assignments and doesn’t fuss over the #s. Given that he’s in a contract year and stood to suffer financially as a result of diminished production, that’s pretty telling as to his character and to what his priorities are, in a very good way. He’s the kind of player you want on your team and I’m glad they locked him up.

    • Masked Man

      Five TDs the last 4 games is a nice pace though!

    • CrackSammich

      Lock him up! Lock him–oh, wrong website.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Seahawks have their backs up against a wall. Disrespected by being 6 point underdogs at home. They’ll come to play. Seattle 41 Eagles 10

  • Forthebirds

    If AJ continues to put up the kind of numbers that he has the past three games and does it into the playoffs, then he would command a bigger contract on the open market. This is another timely move by the magic man. Howie is betting that AJ’s and Wentz’s connection is only going to get better.

  • Jernst

    The second spelling is referring to Jeffrey Lurie. As in “Alshon Jeffery and Jeffrey Lurie 4 ever”

    • vaff87

      Ah, gotcha. He has his named spelled wrong throughout this article, though. However, he usually spells it right. And as I said, I’m often guilty of this, myself.

  • TO BLACKS

    Jeffrey isn’t worth it, he’s not #1